How to hand sharpen band sawmill blades. cheap easy and effective. plus my big secret reveal.
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2021
- In this video I show you how I sharpen my sawmill blades without an automatic blade sharpener. Done with an ordinary 6 inch pedestal grinder.
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I just got done sharpening a bunch of these for a customer. I will have to incorporate something like this into my mobile sharpening vehicle. Well explained and creatively thought out. Thanks David. Also that tooth setter is a gem itself. Cheers.
Just a little infor on your hand setter. It's an old Disston set made for hand saws. The number correlate to the teeth per inch on the hand saw. Fewer teeth means a deeper gullet, and as the throat lays across the teeth that guide gauges the anvil down to the bottom of the tooth. Since you don't have enough teeth to guage off of, the steering doesn't matter. You are just going by feel. You could pretty easily build a hammer set and it would be more accurate, but if you're consistent enough for good results, keep on truckin!
Very creative, I’ll definitely use your sharpening method, thanks for sharing!!
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Thanks for showing how to DIY. Just bought us a Mill and running it hopefully in a few weeks or less. Cedar here we come.
this is great! hope to get some sharpened up this weekend. thanks for sharing.
You are a natural for sharpening..also all the steps were explained very well..great video.Thank You ! Have a great turkey day......
And a great turkey day too you as well.
So excited for all your collaboration videos. The next few weeks will definitely be an adventure. Praying for safe travels 🙏. Huge love 💖 from Canada.
Thanks Heather
Great video Dave
Can't wait to see what all you got coming up
This is exactly what I needed
Great info ,,,never knew they made a tooth setter like this ,,,,plus I like the sharpening system ,,,,,
Thank you, that's a lot of work. I'll be buying an automatic sharpener and tooth setter...
Thank you for the video. You explained it very well. I appreciate it and going to try it myself
Thanks i think this fits my needs.. I have tooth setter and grinding wheel.. Only thing i need is is the grinding wheel shaper
Great job new to your channel. I have a Woodmizer LT 15 always learning more
Thank you for that cool idea
Nice classic tool 🤙🏼😁👍🏼
Good thing you went to that yard sale and scored the tooth setter. This was interesting.
Great idea ! I thought every 2nd tooth would need a different angle for one side or the other, didn't know they were straight & you were able to do them like that Cool, I have an HM122 that should be here any moment, so I will be trying to get some building done :)
well ,that was great, as I sit here watching all the vids on which blade sharpener to buy , I see I just have to buy myself a new grinding wheel ,far cheaper than a 12V sharpener🇨🇦
Great video, thanks for the tips.
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I have watched a bunch of video's on blade sharpening and I think by far you mailed it.this is What I needed so just wanted to say thank you.I'm third generation mill wright and can sharpen hammer round blades but have not done bandsaw blades.
I admire your patience. I just go spend the 25$ for a new blade. I have piles of blades laying around that could be sharpened
Looks good. I just use a dremel. Works fine and I don't have to to remove the blade off the mill
That's good to know
Very useful video 👍 thank you for that.
Good video, well done, educational and interesting; with a little patience and care, you can spare the expense and wait time of having them blades sharpened elsewhere or investing in a blade sharpener. Please DON'T forget to wear protective goggles.
Hi dave sorry haven't been on so bizzy but have a good day bless
Great job........
Hello Hoods, I would suggest you sit on the interior of the blade when you use the tooth setter for the outward tooth setting, so you don't have to use the setter tool stressing the wrong part of your hand. I know it seems minor, but with 20+ blades to do, you will be less tired if you make minor changes to your process. Wonderful video to help us newbies in the milling business.
Great idea I'll try it. Hoping to be able to buy a more ergonomic setup in the future but it's hard to justify when it can be done this way. Thanks for the idea.
I just flip the blade inside out to do the other side.
Great video.
Thank you so much buddy
Howdy David- my Dad used a set like that when he sharpened skikda with blades back before the carbide blades got so popular. Holler at me when you come down to Gary and Mels. They have my number. Take care and God bless
I'll be there Monday and at bobble heads on Tuesday then milling all week.
@@HOODS Looking forward to seeing you. Blessings to ya
Enjoyed the video
Nicely done. I ordered 10 extra blades with my Woodland Mills 126 so I haven't had to sharpen yet but that day is approaching 👍😎👌 On the other hand a local commercial sawmill shop will sharpen and set for $7 each sooo I might go for that🤔
That wouldn't be bad especially since you'd be helping support someone local. Sadly I went to a local mill that makes pallets and they don't sharpen their blades they just change them out for new ones. Old ones get tossed in a recycling bin. He said for the price of a new blade and the cost to sharpen and set an old blade he saves money by not resharpening. If you pay someone 15.00 an hr. And a new blade costs 15.00 and it takes them an hr. From the time the blade comes off till the guy is done setting and sharpening a blade. Why not just have x number of blades being shipped each week. And you don't have to worry about when a blade is going to break and mess up other equipment. I said we'll makes sense. In your case.
It takes seconds to set my blade in sharpener & can do other things when it cycles in 5 minutes. Only need to set on 3rd sharpening. Throwing blades away after 1 use makes no sense... Not to mention they must be running dull half the time..
Yah it's a pallet mill
@@HOODS well… and they’re even cheaper than 15, or at least they were when I bought a couple boxes of ripper 37’s a few years back but I still like and will be using this sharpening video a lot bc it’s not wise to just throw them all away…other option is to cut the old ones open and use them as a kind of barbed wire fence material, not the most practical. my only real question is (and maybe I missed you saying it in the video) do you notice any difference in performance after sharpening/setting your way? Like anything at all no matter how small in blade tracking etc? Because if it’s noticeable I might just go the route of rigging a chainsaw bench sharpener jig up.
Buy a cbn grinding wheel and use the bench grinder. Them you just have to get the hang of sharpening the whole profile in one smooth motion.
Thank you sir!
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Great idea and I will try this but I'm thinking the 7/8 blade is the distance between the teeth
Can you tell me more about your tooth setter? I like vintage tools like that and need one for my blades. Maybe I can get one similar on eBay.
how long does that process take doing both set and sharpen
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This is best done before Miller time
I can see the blue color go through the tooth when you grind it which tells me the temper is being removed out of the tip. I’m wondering if there is a way to rig up a cold cutting method like a file that rotates or something that will not heat the metal tip. The sharpness will sure last longer…like a chainsaw will stay sharper if filed vs one that is sharpened using a grinder wheel.
Likely just grinding to long or blade got hot in use
David did you change your blade guides to be able to use the 1 1/2" width blades?
You don't need to change anything.
I usually get 2 sharpening’s on my Lennox blades before they break. Do your RE sharpened blades break?
My lennox blades do break. But I've yet to break any of the ones from kenne-saw.com
@razorsedgesharpeningshop how much did u charge them to sharpen a blade? How much would u charge for sharpening 40 of them
I was wondering if it was okay to use the side of a regular grinding wheel for sharpening, I read somewhere that it is a big NO. I just checked with Google, and first reply was "Do grind on the wheel's face (outer diameter) only. Side grinding is NOT allowed." But I like the video, and want to thank you for sharing!
What grinding wheel did you put on this bench grinder?
The grinding wheel that came with it. All I did was shape it.
Got a ? Is your tooth setter set the tooth if it is to wide does it closed back up to where it should be or do I have to do something different to get that tooth even with the others hope I made my question clear have a great day
I believe if you have a tooth set out to far you may try setting it back a little with the setter or use a ball peen hammer and anvil to lightly tap it back flat. Carefully because it's easy to break off hardened teeth.
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I just use a dremel without removing the blade. Works well.
Thanks for a good video. Someone mentioned the tips heating up and turning blue. What effects have you noticed that this has on the blade if any. I'm giving your technique a try and have concerns with the blue tooth tip. Can you please comment. Thanks again.
I've noticed the blades seem to stay sharp longer if I blue the tips. Some people say it takes the temper out of the steel. But they also don't know anything. Otherwise why would the manufacturer heat the tips to a blue color. I've been doing it like this three years and it works great for me. I also buy my blades from kenne-saw.com give em a call and tell them I sent ya. I still haven't broke any blades I've got from them. But the lennox blades I've gotten from woodland mills I've broke 8 so far out of 20 from my original order. They always break at the weld seam.
@@HOODS Thank you from NH. I'm hitting the ground running.
@@buckcain9084 That's really interesting. When I blue my chainsaw chains on the chisel, my federal firefighter friend scolds me, saying that weakens them. I use a dremel to sharpen my chains, so I turn the speed down to the point where it won't blue the chisels. But Hoods says he does that on purpose? Interesting. I think I may intentionally blue my chainsaw chain and see if it stays sharp longer.
I bought a hand setter a while ago new. I kept breaking teeth and I can't tell why. Luckily I was experimenting on an old blade I had ruined hitting a damn log stop. Ideas?
Do you have to set every sharpening?
I usually set the teeth every other sharpening.
David, I am no expert but curious. I was taught that you sharpen a blade tooth at an angle, and as you say do every third tooth. But you sharpen the face of every third tooth at the angle opposite of the way it's set. that way it puts the dust in the center of the cut, that way the center tooth will pull it out. Is this different for a band blade, as opposed to like a skill saw blade?
That's not what I said.
When you send a properly sharpened, set & gullet profile through a log it's like an airplane wing... If any detail is off it will drift...
Apparently I do better than the factory.
Is there a modern version of the tooth setter? Someone new like myself obviously will not be able to procure one of those antiques.
They sell them on Amazon. I have a link in the description of the video. It's a hand saw tooth setter.
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$10 to have them set and sharpened here in eastern Canada. Money well spent
I can buy a new blade for just a few dollars more than that.
What is the make of the tooth setter you have?
It doesn't have a name on it.
I just ordered a lt15,
I wish I could've afforded the lt15 wide. Being able to mill those wider slabs for countertops puts you in a good niche to make a little cash here and there. With custom builders.
Woodmizer said the build date is Sept 2022, I just got to hurry up and wait, lol
Just wondering how much did u charge the customer ? On a sharpen.
Do you need to harden the tips after sharpening?
They seem to be harder after I sharpen. They stay sharp way longer after I've sharpened them once. I believe the heat from the sharpening basically case hardens the tips.
@@HOODS Thanks, going to try your system tomorrow. I retired from owning a production hardwood sawmill and had a big band band mill. We sent our bands out to be serviced because there was so much more to keeping them running than sharpening. Typical cost was $650-700 per band, new and $50 per service depending on what needed to be done. We ran each band 5 hours by the machine clock and then took them off to be serviced whether they were dull or not. Gullet cracks were the demise of most bands because of a hot spot generated by sawdust hitting a spot at the bottom of the gullet. These throw away bands are much easier to care for. Thanks for your great video!
Normally is the sharpening done after Tooth setting ?
No you should set the teeth first the sharpen.
I like the very fine stone your using. Not to be offending but you always set the teeth first before you sharpen. If you look closely you will see that when you set the tooth the tooth it will twist outward not push straight outward, your grind will be at and angle not straight and your blade will wander making more wavy cuts in your board, A new factory blade is always set before sharpening
I run Woodmizer blades. They are clearly sharpened BEFORE setting. The result of this is that when I get those blades re-sharpened, it has to be run through the sharpener TWICE to get rid if the "distorted" sharpening angle from WM. Ask me how I know!
How long is the trip to the 41.36?
It's a good few hours.
How do you set the teeth, do you use a tooth setter?
Oh ok I see how you do it now
I use a hand tooth setter like this one. 7.1 inch Saw Set Pliers, Woodwork Hand Tools Sawset Puller for Woodworking Saw Blades www.amazon.com/dp/B07RGVSPSY/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_EYP7TV0FK9J274FJ172Z?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Hi. I was wondering if you noticed any strength loss due to heating the tips of the teeth to a blue color?
No it actually seems to harden them and make them last longer.
@@HOODS Thank you for responding. I enjoyed your video
May not be as accurate as a machine , but I think it is a bit faster than the automatic saw blade machines I have seen running in the band saw shop .
Can do other things like setting teeth while auto sharpeners are running on their own..
Yah but auto sharpeners cost alot of money that I don't have. But time I do have. I'm not pressed to be stressed about being super productive and not enjoy doing what I do.
Have been looking for tooth setter like that for years anyone know where i can find one be thankful
Amazon sells them I have a link in the description of the video
Any dislikes are from blade sharpener salesmen.
Are you doing every other tooth in opposite directions?
Left,right,straight,left,right,straight
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How much it cost
Is there a reason you sharpen the blade before you set the teeth?
No
You should always set first than sharpen. That way you keep the teeth square to the body of the blade
I disagree
measure blade angle by degree not like 7 8 th it's either 8 or ten degree. the way he's doing is proper he just got the tooth spacing and degree angle mixed up. I'm a saw filer by trade
Every time you get the tooth BLUE hot - you know you've ruined it.
What could save your method and the blade tooth hardness, would be installation of a water mist atomizing cooling nozzle. I have one on my 2x 72 " sander. Otherwise getting most teeth blue means that your blade is now useless.
It'd be great if you knew what your talking about. Because ever time I get the tooth blue hot it's actually hardening it. Go learn something.
@@HOODS I'm a bladesmith/blacksmith - I do heat treatment of different steels - knives,axes,chisels - I never heard of hardening any steel by overheating it but maybe I am just unaware of 'your steel'
Watch a video on how they sharpen and harden the tips of bandsaw blades. They heat the tip to glowing orange to harden it. And needs done each time you sharpen. Because it's only case harden. The blades isn't tempered like knives
"you cant tell it needs sharpened" It looks like you cut a brick with it.
Make sure to use a respirator, while not using a respirator......lol
When you were sharpening the teeth on the bench grinder, it might have been helpful to see a few of them done in real time before you sped up the video.
you also gotta know how far you're bending/setting the tooth or your blade will dive in the wood resulting in a not smooth cut. you need a set checker your blade should be between 20 to 28 thousandths of a inch. just don't over set us what I'm saying
Every one of those teeth have been heated and blued so now have no hardness left
Can't be worth a darn very inconsistent tooth to tooth can't be even no matter how you try
This isnt sharping its tooth setting
You seem like a good dude, but all you're demonstrating is how to take a trip to the emergency room.... bad idea..... from experience.....
Yes, using the sidewall of regular stone might be dangerous.
You should shape some grinding stones and make something for your engenuity I’d buy it