Double Bass Lesson | How To Set Up Your Bass Drum Pedals | Drum Tutorial
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2024
- Today we check out how to setup your bass drum pedals when first starting out using the ankle technique.
In this drum tutorial you'll learn how small changes in your pedal settings can help you play fast double bass and what pedal settings will assist you to get more volume.
These basic settings will help you improve your double bass drumming (and it doesn't matter if you are using a chain driven pedal, a belt drive or a direct drive pedal like axis, trick or czarcie kopyto).
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I think it's nice that you explain the pedal setting but, it also important to show drummers how to set your bass drum by adjusting the drum spurs in the front of the bass drum. How high, how low the front end should be sitting off the ground. No one on you tube discusses this. Just saying. Good luck
I like it when he says "slower stuff" meaning up to 190 :D
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Marthyn, sadly I cannot afford your full courses right now, but I am so thankful for the few free stuff you gave us on youtube! Maybe one day I'll be able to join your program as well! Thanks :)
I don't know you guys...but since i started following these videos, doing everything he is teaching...i felt a great difference now!!! Cheers from CV Islands
This video confirms what I already suspected regarding the power and speed settings, but it's great to watch a detailed explanation from the world #1 expert. Thanks very much for the spring tension part too..that's seriously useful.
thx for watching!
@@drumtechniqueacademy Cheers Marthyn. Finally I found the Pearl Eliminator Settings that work best for me.. beaters set to 75 degrees, drum throne low with thighs as shallow angle, 20mm short of full beater extension, springs medium loose, and then work through all four standard cams from hard to easy (red to white), between rehearsals. I just want to comfortably get to 184bpm so I can play Deliverance!
“When using the ankle technique, the weight of your entire leg is supported by the pedal.”
This one sentence answers so many questions I’ve had. Thank you Marthyn!
I love these short tutorials you’ve been releasing lately! I’ve been watching your channel for a long time now and just sucked up everything like a sponge! But I just wanted to say these latest tips and questions being answered on these videos have basically helped me with the last few things I needed to figure out in order to increase my speed AND overall control of my double bass playing! I can now play at 260+ bpm very accurately with very little exertion or effort and for a very long time once I’m warmed up! I was a twitchy, tensed-up, sloppy mess anywhere above 200 bpm only a month or so ago and now I’m here thanks to what you’re doing...so I am forever grateful! I would join the academy if I could, but as things are right now it’s not in the cards. Sorry for the long rant, but thank you very much! You’re doing a lot of drummers around the world an amazing service and deserve a lot of praise haha!
what technique you use bro?
Bashing Over Racing I basically use the same technique as Simon schilling or david diepold. I mainly apply the ankle technique as explained by marthyn, but I also make some use of the swivel technique, but that’s mostly to keep loose and in time when I’m doing higher tempo stuff. Lately though I’m finding that I’m swivelling less and less as I get more and more control with just the ankle technique itself and relying less and less on the swivel motion. I believe I was depending on the swivel a little too much, maybe even relying on it to produce some of the force in my strokes, but now that my ankles are more controlled I find myself only swivelling at really high speed and more just to keep time a little easier.
You know man, even if I don't have now so much time, or will, to work a lot, your explainations are like gold to all drummers. Thank you again for all that stuff.
🙏 thx alot my friend
Wow, I had my spring tension at maximum :D Maybe that's why it was soo hard to play above 190bpm xD
Jakob Dev i started with maximum and wondered why my ankle technique is so shity
I use max but beater angle 40 degrees
Great stuff man! Thanks!
You're the man, Marthyn! 👊
Thank you for this
Great video, thanks!
Thank you for this pedal tutorial!
Thanks Marthyn! Awesome and helpful videos as always!✌🏻
Throne height, and angle of your feet
i'd love to see his thoughts. but what seems to work for me is sitting pretty high. legs have a downward angle.. not crazy but above level by a bit. angle of feet also not vertical. a bit foreward of the knee. you really have to experiment. but those 2 ideas are a good starting point
@@DrummerJez86 same for me . But I instead sit lower so the legs are parallel to the floor and feet a bit forward knees
Good tutorial 👍🤘
Absolutely excellent lesson, very well explained.
Hey, Marthyn. What you explain really helps me a lot! Thanks you so much!
One thing that has not been covered yet is throne positioning. How to find the right distance for putting the throne (say, the center shaft of the throne) relative to the pedals and how to find the correct height of the throne? Could you please shed some light on that? Thanks again.
Nice question !
Dude drum professor you rock-thanks again!
Thanks for addressing this Marthyn I appreciate it!
Gracias, por compartir sus conocimientos. 😎
Thank you 😊
I just Love this dude haha
Vielen Dank für dieses Video!! Eigentlich ist es so einfach😅 und ich wundere mich warum ich nicht immer so schnell spielen kann... jetzt weiß ich dass meine Feder einfach nur leicht eingestellt ist. Das werde ich direkt mal ändern.
Vielen Dank Marthyn. Ich schaue deine Videos sehr gerne. Mach weiter so!!
Great explanation! It would be great if you could cover the footboard settings too. I have a Pearl Eliminator P2002C pedal and as you know you can also move the heel forwards/backwards and you can adjust the footboard height. It would be great to know how to tune these properly. Thanks!
Hey Marthyn, what is the best settings for the Roland Trigger module (TM-2)? I use ankle motion and use footblaster. Thx so much!
Really instructive video! For me, after 26 years of practice, I've discovered that the most confortably setting is a power setting (beater near 60°) with a spring's tension between 90% and 100%. I play with double strokes technique but wanna try the ankle technic. Thx for your tips Marthyn ;)
nice!!!!!!!!
So what about thrown setting so i know if i have to go up with my seat or down thanks
Hello Marthyn one of your students from North Carolina - Perfect - Just what I am currently working on. Using Pear Eliminators with the red cam, 45 degree beater angle at slightly under middle spring tension, easy fun playing speeds between 170 - 190 BPM. You answered my question go back to a 70 degree beater angel for more power, and probably lower my spring tension. What I really need is help at the freakin 140 - 150 range, gee help us with in between using leg and ankle technique. I suck at using swivel, technique and like the way you teach us how to use the ankle technique with out using a swivel at least for now. On your next tutorial help us with those in between leg / ankle technique if you could. Love your teaching style and thank for the awesome lessons.
Marthyn, thanks for your incredible videos, you explain everything in so much detail, and that opened my eyes on how much mistakes I made! I watched your video about ankle technique a couple of days ago and realized that this could help me a lot, cause I'm struggling with mid tempo 140-190, there are days I could play theml and there are days I'm not, so I immediately run to practice it, but I should have watched this first, cause I have high spring tension, and my legs are so tired now after two days of work out, that I can't play anything at all. I'm pretty skinny guy, so I assume high spring tension is not what I need :) I will try again after couple days of break. And are you lefty and play the right-handed set-up? If that so, so do I, I'm lefty and I have also a couple of thoughts on how that could affect my playing. Trying to lead with the weak side is not the fastest way to master things :)
Thanks for your tutorials. They are helping me improve immensely. The issue I've been having is getting an extra beat when I relax my calf muscle after contraction. Especially at slower tempos. Similar to heel toe double strokes but totally unintentional. I've found that switching to heel down for slower tempos is more comfortable but it causes lag in the transition. Any suggestions? Thanks again!
Hi Marthyn! Your videos have helped me out a lot with the ankle technique but got one question or an idea for a future video maybe?:) I mostly used to play acoustic but the last months I have only been practising double kick at a digital drum set which means I have only played with my new ankle technique on this. How big of a difference will it be when I switch over to an acoustic kick? I have a Roland KD-9 which seems to decently resemble the acoustic feel.
When talking about tempo on bass drum, what subdivision are you talking about? 16th notes? Quarter notes?
@Marthyn Is there any video or opinion on footboard height/angle? My Trick Pedal allows for footboard height adjustment relative to the beater angle. I’m a beginner and this alone creates a huge variation in the way the pedal can feel.
Angle of your feet, throne height, beater height, distance from the pedal and sitting balance also affects
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Get Frost or Hellhammer if possible. Also Hoglan
Just for my understanding:
When using the speed setting you need triggers or a base drum mic, because you're not able to get enough volume?
i.e. when playing on a accoustic set with no mics at all?
What about beater length/height? How do you balance it with spring tensions down angles? Will this work with double and triple strokes?
Silly question, does footboard height influence ankle technique? Also about footboard, the length changes the position of the foot? for example, if I'm using longboard pedals I should step forward or right in the middle as you recommend to shortboard pedals?
Hi-looking for some technique-280 bpm 32's without practicing...some advice? Cheers!
Chris Turner did a play through for Heir To The Throne by I Am Abomination a couple months ago. You should check it out.
Hey I am having trouble with my slave pedal where it has less power than the main pedal I use pearl demon direct drive pedals and I heard there was barely any pedal lag at all but when I got them the left one just seemed to be really weird compared to the main (It could just be the weight of the drive shaft but I'm not sure)
One struggle that I have is to find settings (pedal and also seating position) that allow me to play fast double bass but also play more groove oriented stuff where doubles in the right foot are happening more frequently. For groove stuff I use the slide/moeller technique and I always found my playing to be inaccurate when everything is geared towards speed. For my single foot doubles to feel and sound good, I need the pedal to feel a bit heavier and not so feathery light but also buttery smooth. Is it just not possible to find a sweet spot for both speed and groove ? Or is the approach you show here definitely viable for "both worlds" ?
I would love you input on this.
Hey there! Loved the explenation. One question. Besides all the throne height and positioning... what about the footboard height because never saw anything about that? For example I have the demon drives and i have set the footboard for standard position, beaters are at an 70-80 degree angle and I get this senastion of the pedal „throwing” the beater at the end of the swing
Cheers from Poland!
I've never seen an explanation about that either and I have searched it vastly. You find anything let me know mate
Did you find an answer for footboard height?
What beater weight do you use?
Hey Marthyn, quick question about beater angle- is it 45° to the bass drum head, or from the footboard?
From the bd head
Hello, do you have any advice for how to build control at really slow tempos at like 80-110 bpm as I am a beginner and practice with a metronome a lot but can never seem to be able to maintain a consistent tempo and never seem to be getting anywhere with constant practice
In this case, I recommend using full leg motions technique. Don't try anything such as ankle or any of the more advanced stufr
What about pedal board height?
what about bass drum tuning. size of bass drum, muffling, unported vs ported vs no front head. that shit has a big effect on bounce back. it would be interesting scientifically. a just past wrinkle batter head will def rebound slower than a cranked head. but where is the happy medium that sounds good while giving decent rebound.
i find beater hight has a lot to do with the settings
Ok, cool video... But I Play with Heel Toe technique ... What setting do you recommend?
Incase he doesn't answer, like he said about the ankle technique it is a "to each their own" kind of thing. Its best you experiment for yourself and find what works for you. But as far as what I have experienced and heard, max spring tension, medium to high footboard angle and 45° beater (adjust as necessary). Larger beater angle will give you more power but generally speaking the second stroke (toe) will not have as much power anyways so just trigger that shit
Personally I use a larger beater angle than 45° but that is more for the sake of having balance and power when flat footing at mid tempos
Depends if long board or short board. I have my beaters at 40 degrees,pedal board in the middle height,and about 80% spring tension. I am using tama speed cobras,so i have longboard pedals. I have tried max spring tension,and it makes it really hard to play slower tempos. As for short board pedals,i used them before i got the speed cobras. It was easier to max out the tension because my foot covered more of the pedal. Same beater angle a footboard height. This is my experience with my pedals playing double strokes. I play doubles from 140bpm to 280bpm
@@MW3BOT do u play barefoot? I wear steel toe shoes and also have speed cobras. Because of this my feet would have too much weight to go that low on beater angle. In fact i recently switched the stock springs out for the heavy ones that come on dyna sync. I have that maxed and the pedal still is wayyyyy to light for me.
Are there really people that use ankles for 140BPM? I've always used flat foot until around 160-170 then switch to ankles around 175-210 then at 220 and up it's all heel toe. These vids are great though dude some of the most layman's terms pedal videos I've ever seen.
This is an instructional video of D.D. and chain
Wouldn't a bigger beater distance be better for speed since the spring will want to return alot more when playing fast, near the bass drum? Or is this just extra work and won't actually make you be able to play faster?
The reason why you move it closer for speed is because it means there's area to move through so it'll take less time to actually hit the bass drum. That's why in his other videos Marthyn talks about adding a bit of pressure from I believe your hipflexors when you go faster because it pushes the beater closer
@@robertsmiley6543 Yes I know. So if you have a higher beater distance and use your hip flexors n to push down the pedal a bit and shorten the stroke, you the spring will be more "extended" or what you call it and so the pedal will want to return quicker. But I'm asking if this is actually something which will benefit you if you are playing max 270bpm or if it is just extra energy used.
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I ruined my playing following youtube drummers speed settings here is my conclusion after a whole year of high spring tension bull a lot of soar cramped horrible playing i whent back to ky 45low tension sprimg and im sort of back in the game