Do You Have to be Catholic to be Saved?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
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For me growing up: Protestant 'til my late teens. Atheist/Agnostic 20's-30's. 40's a return to the faith. I just turned 50 in October after what I call the spiritual "boomerang". After months of watching these videos and listening to some other Bishops and people of the Catholic faith, I want desperately to go through the RCIA. I hunger for the Eucharist, Baptism, all of it. Thank you for your channel and the amazing guests you have on your program.
Welcome home! Merry Christmas! ❤️
Let it be known to all: Through the Holy Spirit, God has put it on me to preach to those lost in the devil's deceit!
Hear me when I say, ye that are Catholic have been deceived and know not God. Ye worship Mary, praying to her; when God tells his to worship none other than him. It is idolatry.
Catholicism has its own Bible and teachings, which are blasphemous to the word of God: the Holy Bible. As ye follow the teachings of man and not God; ye hear the pope, but not Jesus, yet ye claim to be his disciples!
These are but a few things I named ye dwell within; there are many more. I tell you now to repent of your sins, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit upon asking the Father!
There are *NO* sub-divisions of Christianity. You're either a disciple of Christ or not. A Christian is someone who follows God's word, not a religion. Who obey the Father and follow his will; not man's nor their own heart's. Unless you keep Jesus' commandments, think not the Holy Spirit will dwell within you!
They who heed this message and did what was stated with an open heart to God...
Read the Holy Bible (KJV) daily and every time before you read, pray to the Father and ask:
"Lord I ask that you give me understanding of your word, that I interpret it the way you want me to, and none of my own. I ask you in Jesus' name, amen."
Revelation 22:8-9 KJV
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Acts 2:38 KJV
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Luke 11:13 KJV
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
John 14:21-24 KJV
21 *He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.*
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, *If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.*
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and *the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.*
3 John 1:11 KJV
11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. *He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.*
1 John 3:6-10 KJV
6 *Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.*
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: *he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.*
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 *Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.*
10 *In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,* neither he that loveth not his brother.
@@Call_Upon_YAH lol the horrific attempt at KJV-style English does more to undermine your heretical teaching than underscore it
@@Call_Upon_YAH Me thinks ye be the one deceived. Praying for you!
Mr. Pine is not an amazing guest, he is a heretic!
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino”, 1441:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439:
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all who think opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” (Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra)
St. Basil, Letter 257, 4th century: “Remember that it is not the multitude who are being saved, but the elect of God. Be not then affrighted at the great multitude of the people who are carried here and there by winds like the waters of the sea.”
I could quote many, many more solemn teachings that demolish this heretic's apostasy.
You need to become a real Catholic, look into MHFM's video vatican II council of apostasy on YT.
Remember to pray the rosary every day,
God bless you.
I could genuinely listen to Fr. Gregory forever. The man's a Saint on Earth. God bless him.
Mr. Pine is not a saint, he is a heretic!
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino”, 1441:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439:
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all who think opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” (Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra)
St. Basil, Letter 257, 4th century: “Remember that it is not the multitude who are being saved, but the elect of God. Be not then affrighted at the great multitude of the people who are carried here and there by winds like the waters of the sea.”
I could quote many, many more solemn teachings that demolish this heretic's apostasy.
You need to become a real Catholic, look into MHFM's video vatican II council of apostasy on YT.
Remember to pray the rosary every day,
God bless you.
Right? I wont even be sad if he suddenly dies because I know that man's going straight up
Great video! "To whom shall we go oh lord? For You have the words of eternal life"
"No one comes to the father but by me"
"Strive to enter through the narrow door, for many I tell you will seek to enter, but will not be able"
I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe and am thankful that he came to die for our sins on the cross redeeming our souls and that he rose again on the third day defeating death. I am repentant and ask for the lord’s forgiveness. Why would he not have saved me?
Father - It seems like you were saying in the beginning of the video that Christ founded the Catholic Church and that everyone needs to belong to it to be saved, but you finished with stating that God's grace spills outside the bounds of the visible church and also acts in the Orthodox, Protestant, Muslim and Jewish faiths and that individuals in those faith traditions are only obliged to become Catholic if they believe the Church is who she says she is? Am I missing something? Your last point seems to contradict the missionary spirit with which thousands of souls sacrificed their lives to convert the masses. It seems the Church used to have more clarity on this issue in centuries past. I found this video more confusing than clarifying.
I`m more like the sinner next to Jesus on the cross pretty wretched and completely dependent on his grace . I haven`t done Catechism or the Sacraments or done confession or believe in Mary the way Roman Catholics do or speak Latin and yet ..............I believe Jesus died for me and has accepted me . Every knee shall bow. I find it heart breaking that one set of believers is judging another. Surely ,the ultimate in sanctimonious self righteousness ! Let`s talk about Jesus !
he died under the Old Law, remember Jesus said "i go to prepare a place for you", and he said "dont touch me for i have no yet ascended to my Father"? so Heaven wasnt opened until Jesus ascended to Heaven so he could prepare it for us
Always keep in mind that God desires that every person be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. And always keep in mind that God expressed this truth by hanging from a cross in the body of Jesus out of love for sinners.
He above all desired the jews to be saved and of them he wept: "oh jerusalem! Jerusalem! How I would have gathered you together as the hen gathers her brood, but you would not believe"
And after 3 straight years of regularly preaching, healing and doing miracles to the jews so that they might believe he said:
" and he said to the vinedresser, ‘Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?’"
LOL many forsake their Birthright, and God hardens there heart and sends the operation of error
One God, One Faith, One Baptism… St Paul: I have been saved, I am being saved, and I hope I will be saved…
Hope or Faith in God's Word is not something like we use in modern English language i.e I hope my team wins the superbowl or whatever...Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
The Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. (Ephesians 1:14)
This was a very providential mean to me to revisit and revise the idea of salvation outside of the Holy Church. Thank you.
There are actually zero (nulla) people saved (salus) outside (extra) the Church (Ecclesiam).
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino”, 1441:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439:
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”
It [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects and anathematizes all who think opposed and contrary things, and declares them to be aliens from the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” (Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra)
St. Basil, Letter 257, 4th century: “Remember that it is not the multitude who are being saved, but the elect of God. Be not then affrighted at the great multitude of the people who are carried here and there by winds like the waters of the sea.”
I could quote many, many more solemn teachings that demolish this heretic's apostasy.
You need to become a real Catholic, look into MHFM's video vatican II council of apostasy on YT.
Remember to pray the rosary every day,
God bless you.
Thank you Father for this extremely articulate and thorough exposition of the dogma "Extra ecclesiam nulla salus". I confess there are things I do not understand, so I simply trust what the Church teaches. It is clear to me that the Church has traditionally taught two things with regard to salvation of non Catholics:
1- there can be no good hope that they will be saved unless they explicitly renounce their false beliefs and at least intend to convert. See error number 17, condemned by Pius IX's Syllabus: "Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ."
2- It is POSSIBLE in some unknown way, for those who die as non Catholics, to be saved. As the doctrine "baptism of desire" implies, God's grace can transcend the visible limits of His Church. This is a doctrine the Church Father's clearly teach, and which I therefore believe in. A soul may have a mystical encounter with God just before death, unbeknown to anyone else, thereby allowing it to desire baptism or the true faith.
We should never categorically afirm that anyone is in Hell, with the possible exception of Judas, of whom Our Lord said it would have been better if he had never been born. We cannot know for sure what occurs between a soul and God in the final moments. Nor should we assume, or even expect, that a non catholic is saved. There is a difficult balance to maintain. On one hand we should avoid the modernist, indifferentism, which makes belonging to the One, true Church a dispensable luxury. On the other, we should also avoid unnecessary rigorism, condemning everyone who is not officially catholic. That's my five cents. God bless you all, and Merry Christmas!
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction though? Saying we should not condemn, but immediately prior you straight up said that we should not assume or expect that they will be saved (implying condemnation). It's a cheap escape hatch.
To say we should not expect or assume a non-Catholic to be saved condemns **billions** implicitly.
@@Gumbi1012 I don't think it's an escape hatch. Pius IX was very careful in his wording. He did not say all who die as non catholics are damned; he said we should not have a strong hope of their being saved, meaning that they are most likely lost, but there is always a slim chance that God could somehow perform a secret, last minute miracle.
Something else is worth adding. There is a doctrine that runs all through Church history, starting with Our Lord's own words, concerning the few who are saved. I believe a large majority of humanity will spend eternity in Hell. This doctrine is scary, yet well established. It ties in with Extra ecclesiam nulla salus, but we must also add to the list of the damned all the phony and lukewarm catholics. As baptized catholics, we must strive each day to avoid falling into this category, because nobody has a guarantee of heaven, until they leave this life.
Doesn't the Catholic Church affirm all of the Orthodox churches sacraments, meaning they can/will be saved according to Catholic theology as well?
@@chadpilled7913 Yes, the catholic Church admits the validity of the sacraments in the Eastern Orthodox churches, but that is not enough for salvation. They are in a state of schism, as they are formally separated from Rome. See this from the Council of Florence of 1442:
"[The holy Roman church] firmly believes, professes, and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics AND SCHISMATICS, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Catholic Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation."
@@Gumbi1012 You are correct. The heresy of baptism of desire contradicts dozens of dogmas. See the video baptism of desire buried on YT.
I might be dense or it might be the nature of Catholic teaching, but I hear yes/no/maybe on whether Protestants specifically can be saved. This video said a lot and was helpful to an extent but didn’t seem to clearly answer the question in a direct manner.
If it's that complicated, I am thankful that I am a Baptist. Jesus' call was pretty simple (John 3:16), man has made salvation complicated, as this video clearly shows. No wonder Jesus never wrote anything. He didn't have to. His call was to love and follow him. Simple.
As far as The Church is concerned, all Christians are members of the Body of Christ...The Church.
Blessings to you all!
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
@LaurensZandvoort Thanks for your response. Blessings.
What can your man made religion give you that God cannot?
@@LaurensZandvoort Man-made rules and laws. Jesus told the Pharisees that they did not know how the law was meant to be used. The Catholic church does not know what Jesus taught. They have butchered it just like the Pharisees did the law.
I have no excuse! I know the Catholic Church is the true body of Christ, and I cling to Mother Church for the sake of my soul and for the sake of my love for Jesus Christ (by His grace!). MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!
Not to be too confrontational, but could you explain to me how you know that? While I find the idea attractive, I've not been convinced by the Catholic or Orthodox authority claims. That said, if I believed such claims I'd likely end up Orthodox.
@@EmberBright2077 There's no point in explaining. One, it would take way too long, and two, ultimately people are not converted by reason, but by the Holy Spirit.
@@GrislyAtoms12 lol
The simple answer is yes.
Thats why I am Catholic!!! Lets help others to be saved!!!
So long as the east and west remain split, there is no basis for the argument that one must be Roman Catholic to be saved. The eastern church has just as valid, if not more compelling claim to be "the one true church" as the west. May we all pray for the reunion of the full body of Christ, at which point there will be no excuse for remaining outside the visible body of Christ.
yeah this priest is a heretic
Merry Christmas and God bless Fr. Gregory Pine and the whole crew of Pints with Aquinas!
All true, I was taught in Catechism that if you die with any unconfessed mortal sin you are going to hell. How can you have any realistic chance of going to heaven if you never accepted Jesus as your savior and if you never had your sins forgiven through the blood and merits of Jesus Christ received through the sacrament of the Catholic Church, i.e. Confession, Baptism or Extreme Unction?
you dont, this priest is a modernist and doesnt even know it
I'm saved by grace...and is so easy and smooth and natural to do works for loving Jesus Christ God resurrected king died for me and for us.
I really appreciate your explanation of Baptism at 10:00 mark. It explains the balance between water baptism and baptism of the Holy Ghost very well.
I have heard Catholic priests say no one outside the Catholic church is saved. I have heard Orthodox priests say no one outside the Orthodox church is saved including Roman Catholics. I have heard Protestant pastors say they are saved and all Catholics Roman and Orthodox are not. The Bible warns against judging, that is saying who will be saved and who will not. I think anyone who repents, has faith in Christ, and does his will can be saved. I would not say someone is not saved simply by the church they belong to.
What is difference between judging and predicting?
@@johnyang1420 One is definite and one is not.
You have no idea what you are talking about
1 Corinthians 6
1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to be judged before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Know you not that the saints shall judge this world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things of this world?
4 If therefore you have judgments of things pertaining to this world, set them to judge, who are the most despised in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so that there is not among you any one wise man, that is able to judge between his brethren?
The saints will judge the World and the Angels, if you are not judging them you have no Justice in you. and clearly not a saint.
Christ did say a bit more than that though - Mark 16:16 says we need to be baptised. Luke 13.3 says we have to repent and John 6:54 says we have to partake of the Eucharist and believe it is Christ's body and blood. All of these are administered in the Roman Catholic Church, via validly ordained priests but only the latter is truly believed by Catholics (by Orthodox too, but no one else).
My salvation is thru Yeshua! It’s a personal relationship with the Holy Spirit!
Jesus in Hebrew
He told you to eat His flesh and drink His blood. If you love Him, you will obey Him!
“Personal relationship” not in bible
Yes we need a personal relationship with God. But does this give us licence to do what ever we desire ? Does not God direct our hearts and efforts to give him praise in a way that is most beneficial for us?
ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the church. Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all. But it is clear that today, as in the past, many people do not have an opportunity to come to know or accept the Gospel revelation or enter the Church. The social and cultural conditions in which they live do not permit this, and frequently they have been brought up in other religious traditions. For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace, which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his Sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit. It enables each person to attain salvation through his or her free cooperation.”
Heresy
@@drjanitor3747 POPE PIUS IX, in 1863: “There are those, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest live and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace since God who clearly beholds, searches, and knows the minds, souls, thoughts, and habits of all men, because of His great goodness and mercy, will by no means suffer (allow) anyone to be punished with eternal torment who has not the guilt of deliberate sin.
God forbid that the children of the Catholic Church should even in any way be unfriendly to those who are not at all united to us by the same bonds of faith and love. On the contrary, let them be eager always to attend to their needs with all the kind services of Christians charity, whether they are poor or sick or suffering any other kind of visitation.”
The answer: YES
Amen
Trent
If any one saith, that by the said sacraments of the New Law grace is not conferred through the act performed, but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.
Basiclly, you have to be catholic to be saved. Even if God saves you using extraordinary means(baptism of desire or blood while you are still alive) you are still incorporated to the Catholic Church having knowledge of the truths of the faith. Everyone is catholic in heaven by definition.
You think the salvation of God is dependant on which old man from the early middle ages, or late roman era, you agree with?
I think you misunderstood, the Catholic Church recognizes the validity of the baptism of other Christian Denominations that uses the trinitarian formula (i.e. "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of teh Son, and of the Holy Spirit). What the "Church" means in the context of the sentence "outside the church there is no salvation" is the "Mystical body of Christ" or all the baptized Faithful.
Basically:
Church = Mystical body of Christ = All baptized Faithful.
What the Phrase "Extra Ecclesiam nulla Salus" means is that if someone does not willingly believe in Christ, they will not receive Salvation. I hope this helps.
Well you a somewhat mistaken, the Catholic Church alone is the Mystical Body of Christ, anyone who is validly baptized is connected to the Catholic Church if they suffer from invincible ignorance. However the Church has made very clear that those who refuse to enter into the Catholic Church because of any other reason BUT invincible ignorance will not be saved(Cantate Domino, etc…). Simple ignorance is not enough either, because you can be ignorant of your own fault and thus be damned, especially in this time of information.
@@jackhohne6163 invincible ignorance is a false teaching
There are councils that contradict you
Regarding Salvation
Let the WORD speak:
Yahushua/Jesus said to him
“I am the way, the truth and the life NO ONE comes to the Father except THROUGH ME”
John 14:6
“This is the stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone. Nor is THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:11-12
“For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also wait for the SAVIOUR Master Yahushua HaMachiach / Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to himself.” Philippians 3:20-21
“And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise Him up at the last day” John 6:40
Salvation is through the precious blood shed blood and finished work of Yahushua/Jesus our Master, Saviour and Redeemer. King of Kings and Lord of Lords. All glory and honour belongs to Him and Him alone.
Amen
The problem is that people outside the Church will receive the teaching of heretics but not of Christ and His Church. So that puts the lie to such people claiming that Jesus is their lord.
Merry Christmas Eve! Hope you have a wonderful midnight mass tonight y’all!
The spirit blows where it will John 3:8
ST. TERESA BENEDICTA OF THE CROSS (EDITH STEIN): ‘The concept which assumes that everything in the Church is irrevocably set for all times appears to me to be a false one. It would be naive to disregard that the Church has a history; the Church is a human institution and, like all things human, was destined to change and evolve. Likewise, its development takes place often in the form of struggles.’
ST. TERESA BENEDICTA OF THE CROSS (EDITH STEIN): “It has always been far from me to think that God’s mercy allows itself to be circumscribed (limited) by the visible Church’s boundaries. God is Truth. All who seek truth seek God, whether this is clear to them or not.”
I PRAISE JESUS! Even as I’m struggling providing for my children. I will keep faith. I get harassed and called names simply for sharing my testimony and asking for prayers. But prayers are all I WANT. I fell on hard times because I was fired from my job as a social worker at Forsyth Hospital because I declined the vaccine. I was denied my medical/religious exemption. I declined because of my pre existing health condition lupus and heart disease. I wish I could go back to the hospital but unfortunately the mandate is still in place all hospitals workers must be vaccinated against covid 19 for hospitals that participate in Medicare and Medicaid. I’m waitressing AND I’m SO THANKFUL, but I’m not making nearly as much as I use too. My husband died years ago. I’m all alone, As a single mother with two autistic children things are so overwhelming on me because my boys require a lot from me. Every month is a struggle to pay bills and to put food on the table. BUT our Heavenly Father gives me courage to not give up because I want to. I’m so discouraged but even as I face homelessness almost every month and even as I get put down and mocked because of my situation and choice. I will keep faith in God! Please pray for me and my boys. God bless. Merry Christmas.
Wished you are in my state and country....But, God will help you. 🙏
I am from the state Meghalaya of India. I'll remember you in my prayers 🙏
Remember while you are being persecuted for your faith St Paul says be happy. It is so difficult I know, but the graces you will receive from God will be immense. Im not going into the stupidity on the rules of the vaccine etc, but you know God loves you and will guide you through this trial in your life. Keep strong by saying rosary too.
God Bless
Praying for you. Praying God will supply your needs, richly in Christ Jesus. Praying you and your children will never go hungry, or thirsty or not under your own roof. You did the right thing re. 💉. I'm praying our Lord will send people into your life, from your church, another church if need be, and amongst your community, to pray with you, and support you emotionally and practically - during this season of little. You are most likely depressed in this situation, caused by exhaustion and anxiety - do get this checked out and some help with that. As tough as it is, you have two children who love you...even though challenging - you have health - and this season, will pass, nothing stays the same.
'God will make a way, where there seems to be no way. He works in ways, we cannot see, he will make way for me. He will be my God, draw me close unto His side. With love and strength for each new day, God will make a way. God will make a Way'.
Dear sister, you are experiencing, what we all need to come to realise - God is all we really have. 🙏
This sounds like such a difficult situation to navigate, my prayers are with you, mama 😢Remember that the suffering you face now will only bring you closer to God, never lose hope ☺️
Awesome - so appreciate this short but very important teaching.
Excellent ! thank your Fr. Gregory
I’m encouraged to hear an actual Catholic teach historic Catholicism. And I equally thankfully that I am not a Catholic. Faith through grace in Christ alone for the glory of God alone.
Try RCIA…..you will be delighted
“All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.”
2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB1995
I’ll stick to what God says
You need a lesson in logic. If you reject the Faith of the apostolic Church, and cling to a newly invented 'faith' which blatantly contradicts the historic Faith, how can this other 'faith' save you as it would be false by definition?
@@CCiPencil Except that you don't accept reproof or correction or training in righteousness, do you? You have no doubt made some heretic, or some group of heretics, or your own self the standard of orthodoxy, and nowhere does it say "in the Bible" that you can do this. The Bible says that Jesus established the one Church to teach the one Faith to all nations. The Bible does not say to "read the Bible" and come up with your own interpretations which contradict Christ's Church, does it? It says that the Church is the "pillar and bulwark of truth," not you, not Martin Luther, not Pastor Billy Bob, not some idiotic anti-Catholic website, etc.
@@MillionthUsername I don’t fear your words or your teachings cause I have the Holy Spirit in dwelling within me. He enables me to understand the simple and clear teachings found within His words. His word also teaches that the Church isn’t just a physical institution but a spiritual one made up of all believers. The Church is the body of Christ, not some legalistic, pharisaical man made institution. Repent of your your “church’s” false teachings and follow Christ not some “vicar”.
Do I understand correctly that no marriage consecrated outside of the Roman Catholic Church is valid ? Does it follow that my parents, wrongly believing themselves to have been united as husband and wife by the United Methodist Church, now both in their 90s, have lived in sin and fornication for sixty years and all of their children are illegitimate ?
no the Church will accept them, depending on certain principles.
You didn't really answer the prompt, instead you just provided a basic rundown of catholic soteriology, post Vatican 2. If the bounds of the invisible church are, as you say, unclear, then by definition so are those of the visible body
Awsome. I thought this video was going to be boring and it is deep. Gloria Patri.
A fourteen minute video that coudla been just a "no". 🤣
@Kate Moore fair enough
1 John 4:7-12: Beloved, let us love one another because love is of God; everyone who loves is begotten of God and has knowledge of God. The person without love has known nothing of God, for God is love.
God’s love was revealed in our midst in this way: he sent his only Son to the world that we might have life through him.
Love then, consists in this: not that we have loved God, but that he has loved us and has sent his Son as an offering for our sins.
Beloved, if God has loved us so, we must have the same love for one another. No one has ever seen God. Yet if we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is brought to perfection in us.
Hi Father
So to conclude.... In order to be saved you must be a Catholic or in the process of becoming one if you die in the process. Correct?
Put simply, in order to be saved, you must be in a state of grace at your death. You ordinarily get into that state by: believing, repenting, and getting baptized (when you first convert); then if you sin mortally: believe again, repent again, and confess. All of this is from the moving of the grace of God and is only possible because of Jesus. It is the Catholic Church’s mission to facilitate this on earth in a visible way with the sacraments (visible signs of invisible grace). No church, no sacraments, no salvation.
I imagine the Church is like Noah’s Ark, something ordained by God and built upon a man to survive the watery chaos of the world. The Church is the body of Christ, and Jesus is the head. You cannot separate the head from the body. The baptized are members of the body like passengers on the Ark, or like the branches grafted onto the vine. Jesus came first and foremost to redeem human nature, not necessarily you as a private individual. Jesus will raise the church, and you being in the church would be raised.
On the Catholic paradigm, Catholicism is the fullness of divinely revealed truth, and it’s dangerous to remain in a state where any amount of lies are present. It’s dangerous such that it’s easier to be led astray, however it’s not impossible to know the truth that has been revealed to you and act in accord with it. If the truth is found in Catholicism, to follow the truth, even if you’re not an explicit member, would make you an implicit member of the Catholic Church, grafted onto the body of Christ. If a truth has been revealed to you and you reject it, this is to reject the Catholic Church, and to reject the Church is to reject the Head, thus there is condemnation.
With all this said, I think it’s appropriate to say, yes, you do have to be Catholic to be saved.
@@killianmiller6107 Can you give me the infallible list of all possible mortal sins, according to the Roman Catholic
@@killianmiller6107 Thank you so much! Im a Catholic I'm 73 years old and I've had this discussion with priests and they believe that you don't have to be a Catholic to be saved. We can go on and on. I bought the Catechism of Trent. That Catechism came before the modernists and their changing things.
Thank you again and from this day forward you are in my prayers. Thank you!
I think my point is that yes, you do have to be Catholic to be saved, but it’s also possible to be implicitly Catholic even though it’s not outwardly evident. You may need to ask what the priest means when he says “you don’t have to be Catholic,” because I think it’s true that someone who is outwardly a Protestant, Muslim, or atheist etc could genuinely be following the rays of truth that have been revealed to them (through conscience for instance), and God is merciful upon those who didn’t know him through no fault of their own. Thus it’s proper to say non Catholics can be saved, but only by virtue of an implicit membership, and probably with lots of purgation. I think of Luke 12 where the servant who didn’t know his master’s will is beaten lightly, but not thrown out. This doesn’t mean we should leave people where they are, because it is much more dangerous to live outside the church, ignorant or not.
@@killianmiller6107 Thank you that's pretty much what I thought.
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Love it! Thank you Fr Gregory!
I desparately want to become a Catholic though, so much of its teachings I cannot submit to on account of my conscience guided by scripture. I have spent many hours in prayer, praying that God would reveal to me the truth but yet I still stand in my protestant roots because I am convinced by scripture of many of my denomination's teachings.
Read of the church fathers and the councils. Christ would not have arranged for a church weaker at the start with errors to be disputed in protest.
There are many things that Protestants have thrown out in favor of scripture arranged by post-resurrection Jews rather than post-resurrection Greek-literate Christians.
Keep soul searching. Remember that Israel means “one who wrestles with god” and the church militant is the new Israel. Keep wrestling internally, do not give up.
My family went from atheist(me) Mormonism(wife) to Catholicism for some of the reasons above.
I’ll be praying for you.
Scripture alone!
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Perhaps you simply need to read another Catholic convert's story? People so easily get caught up in the culture they know that to think outside it seems impossible, they believe it impossible, and so end up never changing because do not realize this thinking.
Another is remembering the Roman Catholic Church pieced together the Bible. Centuries later, Luther and his fellow heretics kick out certain books or reword verses.
Also, Protestants are so named for picking which of God's teachings, dogmas, and etc. they hate and want not to follow. I believe these heresies include thinking all flesh is evil, denying one of Jesus' Natures, reincarnation, and others.
Finally, every time a Protestant debated a well-informed Catholic, the latter prevails. Why? Protestant parrots a claim he was taught, then when it's answered, pivots to another. The humility to admit he's got more to learn? That's missing.
Why did St. Paul say, "Hold on to both the Spoken/Oral Tradition and Written (Epistles/letters) Tradition?"... (ref. 2 Thessa. 2:15)... because St. Paul knew he would not see the Final Completion of the WRITTEN TRADITION after his martyred down (beheaded) in around 64 A.D. ... The Last to be written down to complete the Written Tradition of the Word of God were the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation between 100 to 110 A.D. after John died of old age.
According to John 21:25... there were many EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done but were not written down for the whole world can not contain them... Therefore, God had summarized all the EVENTS that Christ Jesus had done and had chosen only those with GREAT IMPORTANCE to Mankind's SALVATION to be written down by Inspired MEN (not women) guided by the Holy Spirit and completed them in around 110 A.D.
Other written books after the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation around 110 A.D. onward were no longer included in the WORD OF GOD (Holy Scriptures)... such as the written Gospel of Peter, Thomas, Magdalene, Mary, Judas, Enoch, Pontius Pilate, etc...
After the Written WORD of God was Finally COMPLETED in around 110 A.D., it became more AUTHORITATIVE than the Oral Tradition. (ref. 2 Timothy 3:16)... As long as the Oral Tradition does not contradict the Written Tradition, that means, God still wanted them to be practiced... However, if not, the Written Tradition must supersede, overrule, and remove that particular Oral Tradition to be practiced by True Christians...
This was God's WILL (Prerogative), for if it (Oral) is still required/needed, God would allow them to be written down in the first place... logically speaking.
The Oral and Written Traditions must be UNITED as ONE w/o Division/Confusion... One (United) God, One WORD (Scripture), and One (Spiritual) TRUTH...
St. Paul warned all True Christians, "DO NOT GO/EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN," and God's CURSE for those who will DO. (ref. 1 Corin. 4:6 & Gal. 1:8)...
Facts and Truth, Biblically and logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.
@@jvlp2046 All you are doing is showing your ignorance and you Protestants love being ignorant.
Fr Pine.
I do enjoy and learn from your presentations. So thank you.
I think it would be marvellous if you could refute the claim of universalists, including David Bentley Hart, that 'all will be saved'. By saying 'will' these people go much further than the Catholic Balthasar did.
The universalists are surely right in saying that, because we humans only live for a finite time, our sins can only be finite in number, severity and effect, and so an eternal, ie, infinite damnation, cannot be a just punishment. Justice, in human and humanly rational terms, has to involve proportion. That is, punishment has to be proportional to the number and gravity of sins committed. And as Hart points out, it is hard to imagine that a person doing something grievously sinful does it willingly and in full knowledge that it will condemn him forever. Such a person is acting and 'saying' that good is evil. And this is obviously wrong/irrational. Isn't such a person crazy? And crazy people, when they do crazily sinful things, are not acting sinfully because they lack adequate awareness and consent.
So it seems to be that the universalist position is arguable.
How say you??
If you can answer this one I will send you a wonderful bottle of shiraz:)
I have sympathy with universalism, namely in that at its best it desires to be a merciful position. God is merciful, and therefore there is something emotionally compelling about the idea all might be saved.
However, no one could dogmatically say that it is certain all men will be saved - nor that certainly only few will be saved. Opinion is far too divided on that point in the Tradition. Both sides have many quotes in their favors.
Moreover, there is only one factor about which there is true uncertainty regarding any man's salvation, and that is his own will. But it is such a crucial factor that certitude depends partly on knowing the will of every man, and only God knows this for sure. Even the individual, while he may know his will better than anyone other than God, still has factors outside of himself, such that he cannot be 100% sure of his disposition to God.
So the salvation of any man, and therefore of all men, really does rest foremost in 2 things: 1) with the Mercy of God, which is certain, and 2) with man's will to receive Divine Mercy.
The second point is the one Christ always stresses as of infinite importance to us. And that's my takeaway, no doctrine one way nor the other.
@@HolyKhaaaaan That's interesting Holy Khan, thank you. In his book, Hart gets pretty close to the Socratic position I think: that virtue=knowledge. So any wrongful, we would say sinful, act, is due to lack of knowledge/understanding. DBH seems to think that there is something wrong with our minds when we choose to sin. He does not go as far as saying that this means that we do not sin because we cannot sin, but he does say that an ultimate choice for evil over good cannot be rational. As the title of his book suggests, DBH takes the position that all souls will be saved. Of course, practically all souls must endure more or less time in purgatory (or hell) before salvation. DBH is a serious intellect, and both in the book 'That all shall be saved' and in his NT translation, including the notes, he mounts a pretty strong defence of the universalist position. It's not just a case of which bits of holy scripture one selects for emphasis, but looking, as Hart does, at the etymology of key terms in the selections that each side relies upon.
@Christopher Coney: very well argued. I shall be very surprised if your queries will be satisfactorily answered in such a way that will require you to hand over the bottle of shiraz any time soon.
Thank you for your help. I truly need such guidance.
Can 2 on baptism council of trent: "if anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and therefore reduces to some sort of metaphor the words of our lord Jesus Christ: "unless one is reborn of water and the spirit" let him be anathema
"If anyone holds that some are able to come to the grace of baptism through God's mercy, but others through their own free will, one shows that one has departed from the correct faith. For one does not acknowledge that free will is corrupted in such a way that one cannot attain salvation on his own, without divine revelation" can 8 on grace second council of orange (from st augustine)
"In any necessity whatsoever (baptism) so that it not redound the loss of our soul if, after those who desire it are denied the font of salvation, when he departs this world, loses both his life and the kingdom of heaven." Pope Siricus
"She firmly believes, professes and preaches that "none of those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans(muslims)" but also Jews, heretics, and schismatics (orthodox) can become sharers of eternal life, but they will go into eternal fire "that was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before the end of their life they are joined to her. And the unity of the church is of such great importance that the churches sacraments are beneficial toward salvation only for those who remain within her, and only for them do fasts, almsgiving and other acts of piety and exercises of Christian discipline bring forth eternal rewards. "No one can be saved, no matter how many alms he has given, and even if he sheds his blood for the name of christ unless he remains in the bosom and unity of the catholic church" council of Florence dogmatic bull cantata domino.
Sounds like the council of Trent damned millions of people to hell. Thank God Vatican 2 overturned that lol
friend they think that the water portion is only related to water baptism, this one for Sacraments is better.
Trent
Sacraments
If any one saith, that by the said sacraments of the New Law grace is not conferred through the act performed, but that faith alone in the divine promise suffices for the obtaining of grace; let him be anathema.
also the Dimonds are very good Theologians but they are still Heretics.
The mystical body of Christ is his Church and his Church is the Catholic Church. There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, which means there there is one Church
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”
(Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)
yup this dude is a modernist, hopefully he doesnt allow eucharistic abuses to happen at his church
God bless you Father! you rock.
the Catholic Church alone is the Mystical Body of Christ, anyone who is validly baptized is connected to the Catholic Church if they suffer from invincible ignorance. However the Church has made very clear that those who refuse to enter into the Catholic Church because of any other reason BUT invincible ignorance will not be saved(Cantate Domino, etc…). Simple ignorance is not enough either, because you can be ignorant of your own fault and thus be damned, especially in this time of information.
Invincible ignorance isn't Ex Cathedra
the roman catholic church has so many dogmas that one has to accept that makes many not join it.
Peter Diamond vs Greggory Pine let’s go.
Dimond, no “a” in there. But yes, that would be a great debate.
Im sorry Fr. Pine, but most other churches also openly welcome in people, because they claim to have the fullness of the body of Christ. There is nothing in your argumentation, that couldnt be applied to any denomination.
I came to Christ by reading the Bible, not through any community and to me it seems like most of the churches claim to be the one true church, but none of them has a leg to stand on, when trying to justify it biblically.
It also strikes me as trying to limit Gods salvation, by limiting it to certain organisations. Matt 23:13 comes to mind.
I dont know if this video was meant for catholics or non-catholics, but i feel like youre preaching for the choir here. I generally enjoy your commentary. God bless you.
I am also unsure what he would say about my salvation which was realized through a regeneration of my spirit by the Holy Spirit. I practice my faith in a protestant church that is evangelical, has hierarchy, teachings, etc.
@@jessedphillips Protestantism was created in the 16th century by heretics who preached a new gospel which contradicts that which was received and handed down in the apostolic Church. They can't even agree with each other, which is why they are so extremely divided.
I am sure what Fr. Pine would say is that you've probably had the beginnings of a genuine conversion and have a genuine faith in *some* of the revelation of Christ, and this is a start, but that you are in a precarious situation since you have chosen to receive the teaching of heretics rather than the Church. Salvation is not in an initial conversion experience; it's where you end up. Recall the parable of the sower. Also recall the parable of the weeds and the wheat, how they grow up together but in the end they have vastly different destinies. Please consider that each specific heresy that you choose to receive must of necessity lead you away from truth because each one offers you a false conclusion (even if it is seemingly drawn from true premises). And likewise, each truth that you deny which is taught by the Church was meant specifically to enlighten your mind and facilitate your salvation, so in denying these truths you make things harder on yourself and make the path of salvation harder to see and to follow.
"There is nothing in your argumentation, that couldnt be applied to any denomination."
That's absurdly false. The Church is not a 'denomination'. It is the one Church founded by Jesus Christ which has persisted through all of history. Protestantism arose in the 16th century and denies the ancient Faith, and they have a zillion 'denominations' precisely because they are not the one Church of Christ but the innumerable false 'churches' of heretics.
"I came to Christ by reading the Bible, not through any community"
Not true, or even possible. Did you baptize yourself, codify the canon of Scripture by yourself, determine doctrine infallibly by yourself?
@@MillionthUsername Your argument starts and stops with the sentence "We are the one true church founded by Jesus Christ".
Well, so many other churches claim the same. What argument does the Roman Catholic Church have, that sets them apart? No argument presented in the video does.
And are you saying that its impossible to come to Christ, through reading the Bible? Thats very ironic, you know.
@@JezielProdigalSon Apostolic succession. Only the Orthodox and Catholic Church can entertain this thought I would presume.
It is possible to understand the person of Christ through reading the Bible, now is this enough ? NO. The grace of Christ is always calling us to do more and be more wholly united to him. It is but one of many steps an individual take as he/she is more united to Christ. It manifests in Baptism and living a life that bears good fruit. The Catholic Church has sacraments which are sources of grace with biblical foundations. This is not some arbitrary ritual but a vehicle for grace for the salvation of souls.
Awesome, father pine , merry Christmas
Is it right to think that non-catholics could be saved by God's grace, but having been saved they will have to be catholic in heaven?
Not only Catholics are saved but everyone who is saved is Catholic.
@@markushill8639 But not Roman Catholic
Yes, everyone in heaven is catholic cause they will see God and know God, thus the revealed truth.
@@Wgaither1Roman Catholics too
If Catholicism is true, I suppose so.
Based.
But what if an athiest shows more charity and love for others than a believer...isn't he closer to God than the believer? Remember the parable of the sheep and goats.
I think that means the atheist is closer to a truer believer in works than other so-called believers or struggling believers, not closer to God. Ultimately, there's nothing compelling an atheist to do so. They can be charitable or be selfish. Neither are right or wrong. Where faith differentiates these things is believing that goodness exists, that truth is more than concept but something quite tangible. When that faith is part of your life, then it connects you to that good, meaning it's harder to give up on charitable (or other virtues) say when challenges arrive. That's not to say believers don't have days of doubt or challenge, but that root faith connection to God can provide a steadier foundation in one's day to day lives, and that's before considering the broken bonds of sin and salvation from death by the accomplishment of Jesus Christ.
How does it matter if he doesn't love the God of all creation?
@@starfire451 If tax collectors and prostitutes can be closer to the kingdom of God than the Pharisees and Sadducees, why can't some athiests be closer to that kingdom than some who claim to be Catholic?
You're putting too much thought into this.
Atheism is a mortal sin. You do not receive merit for your works of charity in a state of mortal sin.
You are not saved by your works.
TL;DR
Yes, as is the will of the one, true only God: the Father Who willed it, the Son Who instituted it, and The Holy Ghost Who guides His one, only true Church.
Today some Evangelists said I will go to hell because I am Catholic. Today is Christmas. That was their Christmas greeting for me.
They are just as wrong, as the catholics saying protestants will go to hell, because they are protestant.
@@JezielProdigalSon Thanks for your comment. They actually scared me. I only wish to be faithful to God in the first place. And sometimes it is hard to know what God wants.
Christ's Mass
@@serafinatruth4029 I am protestant and i will say to you: God bless you and merry christmas.
Welcome to how it feels to be a a God fearing Protestant in Catholic circles.
I sincerely listened and I’ve been reading and learning Scripture my entire 45 years of life, I grew up in the “Church.” So anyway coming from a non-Catholic Christian congregation.
Im not sure if I understand this explanation.
Basically, I don’t understand this explanation.
The question of can one be saved if they reject the Catholic Church?
If one willfully rejects the truth, thus are willfully ignorant they are not saved. Christianity can only be understood properly by viewing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Sacred Tradition refers to the beliefs the early church (pre-Bible) had and onward. These were written down in the Didache, which is the first Catechism and it predates the Bible more than 200 years and was taught by the first Christians. ‘The Word of God’ is one of Christ’ titles and Sacred Tradition refers to the teachings the early Christians had. The letters and writings that the early Church put together in the 3rd century were spread across regions and nobody held them together. The original doctrines of Christ’ apostles were taught verbally. When the Bible was put together by a Church that already dubbed itself ‘Catholic’ or “Universal” it was, as writings tell us, put together so that it was in line with an Orthodox teaching that was already established by then. The Consecration of the Eucharist, confession, Formation, Apostolic Succesion, veneration of Mary,… was already practiced back then according to historical letters from that time. The Bible was put together by Christians that believed in these doctrines and they picked the books of The Bible so that there was no conflict. ‘But why is the word consecration not in the Bible?’ Well, because the Bible was never put together to be a religious handbook for believers. The Bible is not the manual of Christianity, the Cathechism is. The Didache, which is again way older than the Bible, was the first Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Faith AND Charity. Amen 🕊️
Good Lord, Father, could you make it even more complex......this is far to easy. Now you know why Scholasticism has very few adherents in this modern world.
As a Protestant I have had several sedevacantists or rad trad types say I am not saved. I point to Vatican 2 teaching "separated brethren", recognized baptism if done in proper Trinitarian formula etc. and they say this is modernist teaching and or Vatican 2 is just pastoral or something (not theologically binding).
Sedevacantists and some rad trads do not recognize the validity of Vatican II. So quoting the council documents will get you nowhere. Also keep in mind that some rad trads and sedevacantists are feenyites. Who deny the baptism of desire , which is heretical.
Adam I thinks Vatican two said In ways only known to God He gives ALL MEN THE GRACE TO BE SAVED ALSO HERE IS THE BIG ONE THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THE GREAT RESTORATION GOD SAYS AT THE END OF TIME I WILL DRAW ALL THINGS BACK TO MYSELF. JESUS DIDN'T FAIL ON THE CROSS HIS FINAL WORDS MEANT PAID IN FULL I HEARD A CATHOLIC PRIEST SAY THAT ONE GOOD FRIDAY BLESS YOU 🏴🙏
You have a duty seek and accept the truth. Once you open to the truth, the natural conclusion will lead you into Christ's visible Church. You do not have invincible ignorance.
I have already studied and sought whether Roman Catholicism is "the truth " and after 11 years of diligent study my conscience, intellect, prayer etc. All still tells me exclusive Roman Catholic claims i.e the papacy, infallibility and RC as "the one true church with the fullness of the truth and faith" is false. The trick in the official Catholic language is that it says paraphrase anyone "knowing" that the Catholic Church is "the one true church" and refuses to enter in. Obviously the truthfullness of the claims is the very thing in question so a Non Catholic Christian Obviously wouldn't "know" because they don't believe those things to be true...your reference to "invincibly ignorant" is something different altogether not particularly relevant to what I'm discussing.
The idea among catholics that protestants can be saved is not unique to the Vatican II period despite gaining popularity after Vatican II. I had a religion book in high school published in the 1920's that said Protestants can be saved on account of what they do believe in catholic teaching.
No such thing as Baptism of Desire or Baptism of Blood
Council of Florence
Ex Cathedra
It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.
I'm Catholic and believe that it is the church of Jesus. But nowhere in the Bible does it say you need to be Catholic to be saved. The way to the Father is through Jesus. As long as you accept Jesus Christ as the Lord and Savior and repent from your sins. It doesn't matter what Christian denomination you are, you will be saved.
Saying you need to be Catholic to be saved is like saying Jesus' sacrifice wasn't enough to pay the price of sin and that's just not true.
All you need to do is accept Jesus and repent. Nothing else will save you.
Praise God that you believe the Catholic church was founded by Jesus. It is very biblical to believe that salvation comes from Christ through the church. Take Jesus giving the keys to Peter, the first Pope. Jesus is not establishing multiple Christian religions, but THE Christian religion that began with Peter and the apostles. The second example I give is Luke 18:8. Jesus asks when He comes again will he find faith on earth. Not “faiths” but faith. There is but one faith. Even if you are a baptist you are free to believe a multitude of things via your own biblical interpretation. That means everyone has multiple faiths, but not the one true Faith which only that Catholic Church has. This to me was a good starting point to figure out the Church has the fullness of salvation.
@Viva Cristo Rey then how can an infant be Catholic when they are too little to believe in these dogmas
Jesus said to his disciples "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."
So yes you need to have faith in Jesus, yes you need to have his sacrifice applied to you through baptism, but also you need to hear and accept the gospel, as given by the apostles.
They passed down doctrine, they gave us the basic form of the liturgy and the seasons of the Christian calander ect.
"Go ye therefore baptizing all nations... he who believes and is baptized will be saved, he who believes not will be damned"
Do you believe the Gospel that the apostles preached and handed down?
@@Wgaither1 it's not a matter of knowing every single line of dogma and teaching, it's about not rejecting the faith that was handed down.
Babies or severely retarded people do not need positive knowledge of Jesus or the gospel, faith is still given by baptism. No one can however reject the faith that was handed down. We call this dogma or doctrine. Such as the doctrine that Jesus was not just a man but was the incarnet son of God. We can have disagreements about some things, like the exact nature of angels or something. But some things are matters of faith, which if you reject you reject the faith and we are given these doctrines from the apostles. They've been handed down unchanged from the beginning.
@@TheWavelengthStudios definitely believe what the apostles preached, not what the Roman Catholic Church teaches
"...with rigor and vigor." Gonna start using that.
Yes
Yes indeed!
Very helpful
I am always shocked that no one really goes to the dogmatic teaching on this subject found in the Council of Florance where it is decreed that even if one sheds their blood outside the Church they will not be saved. One must be a part of the Church as the Council dogmatically declares.
But did the apostles teach this dogma, that was declared at the council of Florence?
@@Wgaither1 The Apostles did teach it. Read 1 Peter
The teaching isn't wrong, anyone who dies in a state of grace is dying in the Church. In the gospels we see this with the thief on the cross, who at the last hour was incorporated into the family and redeemed.
@@Wgaither1 the Church has teaching authority to through the Holy Spirit to declare dogma
@@marktrieger1787 sorry I couldn’t find it
What a clear and acceptable statement of what BELIEF is all about- those who believe anything will believe anything. And all faiths/creeds/religions flow therefrom. And good luck with that!!! Have a good day. Have a good eternity.
If someone who claims to be a Catholic seriously believes that someone outside the Catholic Church can be saved, should revisit what the Church teaches.
Considering Catholicism didn't exist during the time of Christ I feel like the answer is no
the Root word for Catholic is in the Bible in the original Greek, because the word Catholic is Greek for Universal, but your too ignorant to even understand the meaning, and its significance.
Jesus founded the CC Matt 16:18
@@geoffjs you argue like a Muslim. Are you gonna tell me Jesus started Islam too?
@@sleepystar1638 While the word Catholic has an original root definition, the modern use of the word Catholic has the connotation of the Roman church that cannot be separated. If you were more honest you wouldn't have to attack me in your defense.
@@ninjason57 all the work Jesus did was to establish a church not a book, your entire faith is lukewarm.
Salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone. The "narrow gate" is Jesus Christ; not the pope, not a certain priest, not a specific church denomonation. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life!
Amen
See point 1 only God saves..but mediums of salvation are important too. God could save only football players if he wanted to. That doesn't mean football is the primary means of salvation its secondary. In a similar way God chooses to save those that accept him and his teachings (the church). Reject the church and there is no salvation.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus has since been reformulated during Vat 2 to mean “all salvation is by Christ the head through the Church which is his body.” We take the doctrine out of its historical context. Jesus came first and foremost to redeem human nature itself (Romans 5:18), not necessarily you as a private individual, and you are grafted onto a redeemed nature by joining the church through baptism, dying and being born again, becoming part of the Body of Christ, whether explicitly or implicitly. Being a part of the church is necessary because it is the way God chose to communicate his grace to the world, for instance seen in the great commission given to the apostles. The church is often compared with the Ark in the flood, nothing survived in the watery chaos of the world outside this Ark, which was ordained by God and build upon a man.
@Killian Miller yes I agree. All of those who are true believers in Christ and have been born again in His Holy Spirit ARE the body of Christ. We ARE the church. Catholic, protestant, non-denominational, etc are all branches from the same vine. Jesus Christ is the vine. We are all connected and we are all part of the body of Christ (those who are Christians anyways).
The church needs unity in Christ. Let us not focus on those small places we disagree, and instead come together as brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.
Indeed, I’d just propose that we come together under the Roman Pontiff, being united to the church called “Catholic,” meaning “according to the whole.” I think whatever unity we may have as Christians of various denominations is somewhat superfluous and kind of syncretistic without some governing authority that has the power to actually settle the truth on faith and morals per Matthew 18:17. If two baptized Christians can’t agree on the nature of the church, whether a Protestant or a Catholic ecclesiology, who is right, what did Jesus intend?
I don’t think the church is a merely invisible reality, it is also necessarily visible. We humans are both body and soul, and so it’s fitting that the kingdom of God on earth and our communion with it ought to be “body and soul” too, since Jesus came to redeem us completely.
This all sounds needlessly convoluted.
Yes I do believe in the catholic dogma that you have to become catholic to gain salvation.but also have to be in state of Grace.
So I guess millions of Protestants are going to Hell then?
@David Phillips cheery
@David Phillips wrong
@@solidsnake497 lol Jesus Promised the holy Spirit would be with us forever, not 1500 years later
Yes.
3:49 "Now salvation, salvation in Christ, salvation is in the church"
That's not grounded in scripture, more a slide of hand. Sorry, NO
Christ is the savior of his body "the Church"
This is in scripture
@@MZONE991 yes, and scripture even more often mentions *personal faith* like Joh 3:16, 2Cor5:20 a.o.
@@MZONE991 technically, Christ saves individuals, whosoever beliefs in Him, and the saved makes up the body.
Christ doesn't save the body, the body is already saved.
Yes, is is the saviour of the body, in the perfect tense.
For non-believers, the church is not the solution, but Christ in Scripture and faith through the Holy Spirit.
Then, the believer is joined into, becomes a member of the body.
Precise theology is important.
I have to be christian tobe saved
What do you even mean by this? All Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics.
I will say Unam Sanctum and "it is absolutely necessary for salvation for every creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff " which seems to meet the infallible pronouncement criteria and language we define declare pronounce is not reconcilabe to Vatican 2 language and attempts to reconcile strike me as mental gymnastics and anachronistically redefining/interpreting history to smooth over the edges.
I agree. Michael Lofton' attempts in Reason & Theology were unpersuasive, as it embraced faulty hermeneutical principals, and ahistorical rewriting of the author's intended message.
That being said, the only consistent position for a Catholic then is sedevacantist position and or a rejection of vatican.
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Those sede or rad trad types that reject the "modernist vatican 2 teaching" then have ironically become the Protestants within their own church while simultaneously trying to essentially condem Protestants. Not a good look.
@@Adam-ue2ig I haven't read the Vatican II documents in detail to know how much of the teachings are considered infallible versus simply authoritative, but as a fellow protestant I would more or less agree with you. I believe the only path forward to church unity is for the pope/magisterium to recognize their fallibility on matters of doctrine. They can do so without disclaiming what they believe to be their rightful seat of leadership within the church, as the seat of Peter.
You must believe in all beliefs that roughly apply to the incarnation. If you don’t believe in one you don’t believe in any. Does that not sound like James saying if you break one part of the law you break all of it. While I appreciate the articulate manner in which the good father speaks, his alluding to only the Catholic Church saves takes away from the Christ alone message that the Bible makes clear. It also makes a few questions arise
1. In God’s Holy Book would he not have placed everything necessary for salvation in it? At no point does he say you must be a part of a certain community of believers. He says simply believe in me. He also says Mark 9 the following:
38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.
2. Is belief in the church the same as belief in Jesus? Must you believe in the creation on a similar level to the creator? This is what this looks like he implies. He uses a lot of rhetoric that is complicated and pretty much proves that Catholicism has complicated the simple gospel of Christ.
3. This is the classic Catholic response that denies what Jesus himself defined the church as. “Wherever two or meet in my name, I will be among them.” That is the church. It is the priesthood of all believers, not just those from one denomination of Christians. The church rarely gets it right, my proof is look at the early churches spoken of in Revelation. 5 out of 7 were failing in their mission. This was less than 60 years after Christ. Look at the Inquisition, the Encomienda system, selling of indulgences (Urban II), killing of Tynedale who was making the first full English translation. (Along with the abuses and sacrilege of some Protestant denominations.). The church has messed up a lot.
No, you have to be Christian. And confess out loud to Jesus that you believe he is the son of God. I did that 32 years ago, crying my soul out. The following morning I saw him pointing at me in the sky. Gigantic! I knew I was saved. He has been with me all the way. It having been easy! Cancer, lost my career as an engineer, money problems, family discord, parent death, cheating. To mention a few
What do you think about Native Americans before Columbus brought Christianity to this continent? We’re they all damned because they never confessed Christ is the Lord and the son of God?
NAEMI, praise God! Thanks for sharing this testimony. I love hearing remarkable testimony from folks. I was an alcoholic and I cried out to the Lord Jesus Christ and He delivered me, healed me saved me from sure death. Sober for years now by God's grace, He literally took the desire from me.
That's cool, but I will trust the opinion of the Church founded by Jesus Christ more than some random guy on UA-cam
@@illyrian9976 there is nothing in Scripture or even in 1st century that proves this oft repeated claim by Roman Catholics that Jesus created or intended this Roman Catholic Church" to be the "one true church" that he founded.
@@Adam-ue2ig Then where is the church that St. Paul talks about? Where are the succesors of the apostles? For sure not in protestantism, that for one is certain.
Post Vatican Two modernist nonsense! Never once did you mention the DOGMA -- defined three times! -- that outside the church there is no salvation! Never once! Merry Christmas...
He did, he stated it in both english and latin at the beginning.
@@christopherconey732 Nope, he never said it was a DOGMA. That is what sets opinion from something that is defined and required to be believed by all Catholics.
@@genedelalla8119 if you deny v2 keep cosplaying my dude
@@jonathandavid3480 Do you deny Vat 1, a dogmatic council? Or how about Trent, another dogmatic council? Was Vat 2 dogmatic? No. Even the conciliar popes indicated that... Merry Christmas!
@@genedelalla8119 I deny no councils
Around 9:30 he said that we need “faith but a living faith (charity)” he then describes charity (its seems) as a distinct and higher form of grace over and above faith. My understanding is that all three of the theological virtues (faith and charity being discussed here) are equal forms of condescending grace. Am I understanding this correctly (from the Catholic perspective)? Are they equal in power and substance?
The short answer is Yes.
@sophia stone did you even listen to his talk???
@sophia stone Okay, I understand.
And the even shorter answer is No.
The answer is: yes. Anything else is heresy.
yes
I’ll save you the time of the entire video. Yes. Yes you do.
Everyone wants to be righteous, and know because they have accepted certain dogmas or participate in a certain organization that they will be saved. Who am I to know? But it seems clear to me that, Catholic, Christian, or otherwise, if one loves and seeks goodness, and loves others as much as his or herself, then they have followed Jesus’ commandments. Those two alone are enough of a challenge to really live, every day, than any rites or professions of belief, which appear to me a means to the ends. It’s a sort of extrapolated legalism that obfuscates a message of profound simplicity and challenge. I’m not arguing that scholarship and study are unimportant, nor that all roads lead to Rome, but we can confuse our cart for the road.
We don't by the use of our reason figure out what saves us. Jesus told his apostles very clearly what saves us: "go therefore to all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit, he who believes and is baptized will be saved, he who believes not will be damned"
So all those who rejected what the apostles taught and were not baptized were damned. And we will be damned if we do not follow the teachings of Jesus as he gave it to his apostles.
Hope this helps!
There’s what the apostles taught, and then there is what later thinkers added. How do we separate added wisdom from added complication?
@@NathanPK that's a good question and many saints have answered, that doctrine is giving by God to christ, and christ to the apostles and from the apostles to the bishops throughout the centuries.
They teach that this "doctrine" (think divinity of jesus, or the trinity) is always stated as the same, in the same way and in the same sense.
The teaching of jesus doesn't change, and when you study doctrine you can see that it doesn't change. It remains unchanged, but obviously questions about that doctrine come up that need clarification. And based on scripture and tradition the church guards the understanding of the doctrine when these questions come up. I can give examples if you like.
I hope this helps
That’s a kind offer. I wouldn’t ask you to try to type a whole essay into here, but if you have a hyperlink to an example, I will read it.
@@NathanPK one example is the doctrine of the trinity. So the apostles handed down the teaching of the divinity of Christ and the worship of the father the son and the holy spirit. That was apparent in liturgical rites of mass and baptism and orders right from the get go. There were however apocryphal writings, basically fake gospels written by heretics that seemed to claim that there were 3 Gods, there were also people who claimed that Jesus and the holy spirit were not God as well as several other misunderstandings. The problem is the tradition told the fathers that the three persons were God but also they didn't worship three God's. Scripture gives evidence for this, but it doesn't spell it out exactly.
So the bishops of the various churches got together and discussed the issue and wrote to all the bishops stating what the trinity is and what it's not. See dionysius letter from 259, or the council of nicea or damasus I to all the eastern bishops 366. It took several centuries and several councils to root out the errors that came up just on this one topic. It also took several centuries for the bishops to get together and say exactly what books were scripture, and what books were phony nonsense.
As you can see this isn't a small issue. If a person doesn't believe that Jesus, is the incarnate son of God, one in being with the father and the holy spirit, that man doesn't have the faith. Jesus told us to believe in him and his word and if the bishops didn't sort out what books contained his word and which books came up by evil men who wanted to twist the truth we would all be in the dark because at this point we wouldn't even have the holy Bible to refer to.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
You can probably see
So the answer was... Yes? Informative video, but I didn't catch the actual answer
Sorry. What was the answer to the question posed in the title? This was impossible for me to grasp.
I think the answer is you have a better chance of being save if you’re in the Catholic Church rather than outside. It is best to be a member of Christ’s Body, the Church rather than be apart from Him. Rejecting the Church would be rejecting Jesus Himself because the Church is His Body Col1:18 and in Scripture John 14:6 Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Since the Church is Christ’s Body and Jesus is the Head then the Church would also be the way, the pillar of truth 1Tim3:15, and the life John15:5
God Forgives and Loves EveryOne! Jesus Taught..Lived and Died to teach us the principle of Forgiveness..the Highest form of Love. When You Forgive you are Saved and Freed and it is the quickest Way to Peace! 😇 That is why Jesus Said..on the Cross “Father..Forgive them..for they know not what they do.” We ALL don’t know what we do..to one degree or another. Forgiveness is the Only Solution! 😊
Well, not everyone, that would be universalism
@@EmberBright2077 I know Christians think only they will be Saved..but God Will Save whoever He Chooses! God is God and we are Not! I prefer to believe everyone is Loved and Forgiven.
@@kathleenwharton2139 Except for Jesus explicitly saying that he alone is the way, and the stated importance of the great commission, and Jesus explaining how the way to the kingdom of heaven is a narrow gate, and Jesus explaining in great detail the kinds of people that will be cast into hell. God is God, but he can't actually choose arbitrarily. That would be breaking his own laws and thus a flaw in his holiness.
@@EmberBright2077 you Need to read your Bible again and this time read about Jesus. He Healed..Loved and Forgave EveryOne and He tells us to Do the Same. He Loved Samaritans (Isrealites most hated enemies)..centurions servant..Roman soldiers..prostitutes..lepers..etc. he Came to Save Sinners from the self-righteous (that would be you). Christians are the New Pharisees. We are All Sinners Saved by Gods Grace. Hell is for those that believe in it! Judge Not..that you not be judged.
@@kathleenwharton2139 I fail to see how the examples you provide are in contradiction with mine. Jesus did all those things, and also called people to repent, and warned them very firmly about hell.
Also, Jesus did not come to save sinners from the self righteous (I also don't know why you're calling me that), he came to save them from their sin.
Also if hell is for those who believe in it, then not only does that contradict the idea that no one is going to hell, but it also implies that all atheists are saved and almost all Christians are condemned. That's a little bit strange.
As for the often misunderstood "judge not lest ye be judged", I don't know why you're bringing that up since judgement has nothing to do with the conversation, but not only is this quote contextualised by explaining the actual problem (hypocritical judgement), it is also a quote by the same man who commanded us to judge with righteous judgement, and it is also the same man who judged people all the time, and has stated that in his second coming, he will come to judge the world.
Finally! This is the first time I've heard any Catholic say what I've been saying. Except he said it 427,000 times better.
not according to Christ
Revelation 18:4
can you provide the link to the specific Godsplaining episode you referenced?
found it! ua-cam.com/video/N91s5Hukmgs/v-deo.html
Did you listen to the surmon of St Luis de Marie
CCC no salvation outside of the Catholic church.
One key reason Our Lady appear at Fatima Ang gave us the Fatima prayer.😢
So if I ask a friend to baptize me, I’m saved outside the church. So the CCC is in error
@@Wgaither1 CCC is not erroneous it's of Divine revelation. Do not distort my words. In the end those are not my words but the words of God
Our lady didn't appear at Fatima
@@hopefull61256 why you said that. Did our lady told you so.🥴🥴🤡
@@wakoylabot.4811 No I made no such claim, nor am I required to believe such claims.
Perhaps Father Pine could comment on the possibilities, or lack thereof, for infants who die unbaptized. It appears that the Council of Florence consigns them to damnation: "The souls of those who depart this life in actual mortal sin, or in original sin alone, go down straightaway to hell to be punished, but with unequal pains."
This is a wicked teaching that caused many pain and despair or hundreds of years.
There's Limbo. It's a place that certain mystics have seen where children kind of go in waiting. There has to be as I understand a type of baptism that occurs, but yes. They go home.
@@hopefull61256 that a true teaching, you cannot by any means widen the road to Salvation, your comment disgusts me.
@@Ian-dn6ld Limbo is in Hell
@@sleepystar1638 so countless babies are in hell?
12:34 - 12:41🤔🤔
The One Holy, and Apostolic Catholic Church. That which is holy cannot be made unholy, no matter who is in charge of the earthly house,God controls the Ghost. St. John the Beloved, pray for us.
Rev 21:12 - And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Something to consider - none of the 12 gates above are named after any Christian denomination of which there are approximately some 45,000 or any world religion.
Our citizenship is in Heaven (Phil. 3:20) and our identity is in Christ not in a denomination.
Galatians 3:28
“There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3
29 And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise
Christians are the New Jews
What does it mean that the Catholic church subsists in Church of Christ? Aren't they the same thing?
It's worth fighting for. So party on haha