Stihl Light 04 vs Rollomatic E bar - cutting performance comparison
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2020
- Felixia Banck aka Femalelumberjack has been wielding the chainsaw again and has been testing the brand new Light 04 16'' bar on the Stihl MS 261C. This video includes a comparison of the Light04 and RollomaticE bar and the new and old chain and also the weight of the bars and chains.
Nice performance test thank you always nice to see new product at work.
Felixia - well done video again. I'm a relatively new subscriber and really like your style. Thanks for the comparison video. The big draw back for the home owner user will be the lack of specs on the bar. It's so easy with the specs to make sure you aren't making a mistake or buying the wrong chain etc. I have two Stihl saws (older MS290 and a newer MS180) and my buddy has 2 Husquavarna's (455 and 576 XP G) and I do all the maintenance on them. I have a lot of fun with the saws and he hates doing maintenance so it works out. Keep up the good work and cheers from Oregon, USA.
She made a correction video. She was sent a prototype for this video which was lacking specs, but the production model indeed has specs like all the other bars, so that's good.
New and innovating is how you stay on top. Good job Stihl! Thank you for showing us this. Your videos are always very informative. I have an MS 261 also and this would make this saw even better than it is already, got to try it. :)
Great job ....excellent comparison. In Canada I'm sure we will be last as usual to get these but I will be looking forward to it !! Another very clear and concise video. Well done as usual, 🇨🇦 loves you :)
Just bought my MS 291 with the light 04 bar and it has the bar specs stamped on it...I do love the MS291 power going thru a 2 foot round oak tree!!! WOW!!!!!
Great video. Just bought a new 261 and was thinking of changing the bar to the light 04. The weight difference did not seem to noticeable but every little bit counts at the end of the day. Cutting speed will also help lighten the work load as well. Love the new 261 and my 661.
Nice to see you again 🙂
The weight difference is more noticable on saws like my 660 after using it for a couple hours. I go with an aftermarket brand light weight bar. The performance difference is well worth the extra cost. I also find using different bar oils has an effect on performance as well.😉 Great topic, Cheers!.
Hi.Bank Thank you for the wonderful explanation.
I love my light 25” bar on my MS462c-m but I’m curious how much of a difference these light bars will be compared to an existing light bar of the same size.
Hey FLJ, Great videos. I,ve been managing a mixed deciduous woodland as a firewood coppice for the last 20 years, also doing some milling of sycamore, chestnut and alder, unfortunately early spring signs of chalara (ash dieback)could be present. My question is what would you recommend as a disinfectant to use on my saws due to the fact i will have to implement strict bio control measures this coming autumn.
I’ve had my 261 for 10 years and recently swapped to the light bar…… Awesome !!!! 😊😊
Though the Stihl 04 bar, weighing 1.473 lbs., is not available in the US, a 16" Oregon Versacut bar weighs about 1.67 lbs. Greater weight (3 oz.) but pretty close. For the MS 261, it is model 160VXLGD025 in case someone is interested.
Great channel love to see a woman lumberjack good stuff. 👍
Hi Flex,
Question for you, I recently converted to the Stihl Easyfile system. I was very sceptical, but it works well & is fast.
Is it still a 4.8 mm file with this new setup ? Or is it a 4mm as the 1.3 mm Stihl chains, in which case is there an easy file rig to suit, as the 4 mm one I have is 3/8" ???
Many thanks,
Chas
Great review on a great bar. Guess I need a new bar and chain 😬
Great video.. Are the bars and chains from the 261 interchangeable with the 251?
Great video! I cracked up when you said Fo' chizzle
Good job..
I am so old school...i have a old Stihl 044...with rollmatic...bought in the 80's...
I did buy some bulk chain and need to lean how to splice it
hows the chain stretch? does it require more attention snugging it up?
😀 Another beaut fun video - Great work 👍🏻
I just purchased a new Stihl MS261c and it came with the 16 inch 04 bar and chain from factory. Here in cold Canada
I'm in U.S. I've read mixed comments on whether I need a new sprocket to go with this setup on my ms 261cm. If a change is necessary, which sprocket would I run?
Yep, I’m going to get one, great review too😊
Great video! I use a 16 inch bar and 3/8” Picco Super 3 (PS3) low profile 1.3mm chain on my 261 and it cuts very fast. Would love to know how this new chain and bar perform against it. The PS3 chain was sold as a performance kit at one point by Stihl here in the UK.
I was considering these days the purchase of a stihl ms 261 and I think I will take it with this new configuration! Thanks as always nice video and excellent explanation.
Thanks for watching
500i??? No seriously, very informative video. Great job!!
It just figures. I just bought a replacement bar for my ms250, that I bought years ago. I didn't even know they made a light bar! Thank you for telling me when I wear the bar out again they'll probably have something else to replace it that's even lighter! LOL
They probably will 😆
great vid ...
i wish if you could start videoing the climbing tree work
cutting trees all kind of ur work...
bast of luck
I think now in UK the Light bar is the standard fitting for all 261s. I know some people are suspicious of the thinner chain but I use it on hardwood with no problem.
Thanks Flex, off to treat my 261C to a new Light 04 bar, 2 chains & a sprocket ! Chas
Nice!!
@@Femalelumberjack Just done a day with my new 16" Light 04 bar & full chisel chain on mu MS261 C. Wow ! Transformed the saw. I was using a 13" standard 1.6 mm bar before, now, even with an extra 3" it is still more poweful, cuts like a dream. You are absolutely right in your recommendation, has transformed the saw. Cutting big dry ash & seasoned oak. Superb.
Thank you so much !
Very interesting. Would you use the light bar to reduce the weight or for better cutting performance? Does the narrow kerf give an advantage?
50/50 Both, reduce the weight and get better cutting performance with narrow kerf because its a full comp (more cutters) chain.
But I don't like it as much for felling, narrow stuff usually is the first to get easily pinched.
How does this affect the overall life of the chain being thinner? Less metal to take the abuse.
Love the 261 c-m Stihl waiting on the light 04 bar to come in I feel lucky I at least got the saw it’s the rollomatic saw
I also work with chainsaws, try to determin what chain are best. The Husqvarna x cut or the chain on this video. I am not sure yeat.
Most interesting & helpful video - I've got a 261 as well with a Stihl Rollomatic16 inch bar and the Pico Duro 3 carbide tipped chain which has turned out to be a very nice combination. Very sharp & smooth.
Of course the chain is impossible to sharpen.....which is a drag !
So after your video I think I too will get the Stihl Light 04 16 inch with a new chain - It'll be great fun to try out and compare the differences.
Many thanks.......all the way from London !
Paul Wharton did you check if your dealer can sharpen your carbide chain? I had mine sharpened by my dealer, It was not that bad of a price for a chain that stays sharp 5 times longer.
Thank you for this test! 😊 I’m not so happy with the 0.325 1,5 mm stihl chain that i use. Also 15 ". Will defently buy this new one when the old bar is broken 👍
Stihl hab .325" with 1.3 or 1.6 mm drive links, 1.5mm is Husqy...
raphael beinhauer Stihl also have 1,5.
Yes Stihl Have 1.5 to .. i only use 1.5 mm
Great video, love my 261C with 13" bar, but a longer bar & faster cutting sounds great. Will have to see if I can find one online.
Great video… thanks for the info.
Hi! Cool video!! Pls do Tsumura bars test, its really interesting to watch. Thanks in advance!!
I have a question: why did you choose to study forestry or pursue the job of a sawyer? Does your family have a background in logging? Thanks for your videos, and keep smiling!
Check out her channel; there is a video that covers this topic in detail.
Hi are you going to get the stihl ms 400 cm?
Very good video. Thanks. I’m using and 18” Light 04 on the MS261 C-M. Maybe I should try the 16” on this saw also.
Love the 16” on my 261
Every cut with the light bar was crooked. Can you explain why? Bc for a 16 bar it shouldnt move around much and make the cut mess up. So my thought was either your filing was off or bar was bent. But they were all crooked and the normal bar wasnt!
Nice video. My MS 261C is with 3/8 chain. Greetings !
👍
Nice video i will see if it fits my saws Stay safe thanks Darran
What about the bar temperature? Did the Light run hotter? Did you need to make any adjustments on the bar oiler? And what about the chain does it seem to get dull quicker? Price you didn't say anything about price. I figure price can change in all parts of the world but you could maybe say the E bar is x% cheaper than the Light. Thank you for doing this video.
I don’t feel it running hotter than the rollomatic. Didn’t have to change the oiler because of the bar but will do it when necessary depending on the hardness of the wood. Doesn’t dull quicker. I can’t say anything about prices because they are so different there’s really no way to compare them at all
Good info.
It’s cutting less wood because it’s thinner, but is it weaker and does it wear out faster? It’s much more expensive.
you make very good videos, congrats !
Thank you
Good video :)
This bar looks great. 😃
And you look great too!
Thanks
G'day FLJ, are those Stihl gloves ? and if I may make a suggestion what about you playing violin as background music whilst cutting 👍.
Thanks for the video and keep up the great work. So glad you used inches for most of the measurements when making an English video. 1.3 millimeters is 0.050" gauge, 1.6 millimeters is 0.063" gauge and 1.1millimeters is 0.043" gauge. These measurements are the thickness of the metal for the drive links. Not sure if there is any difference in the kerf between a 0.050" gauge and 0.063" gauge chain. I do know the 0.043" gauge chain is has a smaller kerf. At least the pitch of 0.325" was the same on both chains. I only use 3/8", 0.375" , or 1/4", 0.250" pitch chain. You basically get an extra inch of bar and chain when using the lightweight bar and 0.050" gauge chain for the same weight.
Hi Felixia, I am a home owner user and would like to buy the MS 250. Should I switch the rollomatic to a light 04 bar for cutting improvement considering the lower capacity of the engine( 45 cc) Thanks, Marc, Quebec, Canada 🇨🇦😉🪵💐
Felixia's comparison video has been out for 20 months and Stihl still doesn't offer the Light 04 bar in the USA. Why?
Great video, I run a 240 Husqvarna with a 16” Bar and chain set up, I was wondering if there is a better bar and chain available, I am located in Newfoundland, Canada and 16” bar is plenty of big.
Thanks for the videos and pointers.
Best Regards.
Justin.
Great film 👍 are the bars available now ?
In some countries yes, but apparently not in the us yet
Thank you for the video very informative 😁👍. We are still waiting on the 500i , starting to give up on it. I guess they think we don't need it yet. ☹️
They’re just making sure you need both 462 and 661 😉
@@Femalelumberjack you're probably right about that. I love both my 462 and 661 great saw's. Once again thank you for your videos. 😁👍
Thank you for watching 😊
50 grams might not sound like much, but add the fact that old Rollomatic bar and 1.6mm chain was a full inch shorter than the 04 Light, and the 1.3mm Super chain has more cutters per inch length of chain, and was still lighter.. That's actually quite considerable!!
About Light 04 bar not having the specs stamped into it. Doing your own due diligence (yes, even as customer) goes super far and saves you more time looking stuff up on your computer/phone/at retailers place, IMO having every OEM parts number, etc, on hand, is at least as important as having some bad@ss WCS ported 461.
On my computer I actually make a folder for each of my saws where, first and foremost, I store PDF's & Notepad files about what bars and chains I run on them (first and foremost), when I order stuff from dealer/retailer I already know everything I need.
And also various parts numbers and available modifications (whether with OEM parts or WCS, etc).
Do the research and have it ready at hand, that way, anything you need whether it's new chain, a new spool, or if you wanna convert from .325 to 3/8 with few or many teeth etc, you will have already done the work and can have everything 100% figured out within minutes instead of spending hours researching every time because you won't save the information anyway.
Looks like a 4% weight reduction while gaining an inch. Not bad I suppose. I wish there were an ES Light for a 16" otherwise standard bar (3/8, .050). We have many many 16" chains and love the 16" length because it's great for ground work. It would be nice to lighten things up.
You certainly rock the high vis orange
Why thank you 😉
Nice new Bar, haven't seen it yet. I don't like the graphics on it though! They could have done better.
Cant find it in the uk :(
Can u get a bar and shane lol for the 201tc
Hello. Be. Well. Very informative video well done.
Thanks
.050 for the win - always.....drive link thickness just adds moving weight.
You always have clean tools!
Luckily I didn’t get dirty brand new bars 😉
A narrow kerf equals faster cuts with less energy...no matter what. But the chain is slightly more fragile: it will dull quicker and wear out sooner. So keep the oil flowing on the chain! Overall, narrower kerf is better...unless you are cutting through concrete.
Good video Cookie Monster
Thanks
Maybe they have a green bar for my old saw...
Hopefully the clutch wouldn't need to be changed...
Is the 04 bar available in the US?
I don’t think it’s available yet 😔
I have not been able to find it here.
acn you just swtich bars from 1,6 to 1,3 with no problem ?
No you have to get a new sprocket as well
@@Femalelumberjack witch one :/ i put it on 325, and it works:/ is there special sporket for light 04 ?
👍👌🌷🌷🌷
Let's get down to the nitty-gritty. What are the model numbers of the Light 04 bar and the chain you are using? I think the krauts are not sending them to the US, at least as far as I know.
The 16” bar is 30030003313
@@Femalelumberjack Thanks. But "unavailable" in the states according to stihl.
Where are you ?! 👀
I will be back 😊
A beautiful presentation and a nice girl! Well done you have it all!!
Thanks
I prefer the original E and ES steel bars - 1.6mm 3/8th.
Stihl can’t get the light bar 04 in USA it’s not available
I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.
Like 🙋🏻♀️ 😍 😍 🤗 🤗 🤗
Thanks
would you ever try climbing a tree using climbing tracks and would you consider making a youtube video about them?
when you say climbing tracks are you then referring to spurs or gaffs?
@@Femalelumberjack yes i'm referring to climbing spurs
@@Femalelumberjack spurs
climbing spurs
Ja do sthil 261c-m montuję łańcuch 3/8 1,6 mm to jest efekt cięcia i nie zważam na parę gramów wagi
Giá bán bao nhiêu vậy ạ
I think the difference is on the chain
Set 10" bar with 1.1 mm width chain and you will be shocked :))
I have a 460 rancher husqvarna with chisel chain 24inch makes wood chips cuts like butter even thru big old red oak trees
Today I picked up new 440e husqvarna 18 inch bar, chisel chain cut right thru 20inch red oaks rounds quickly pretty good for the price$300 at tractor supply
I have a 25 inch oregon bar on my 261 and she rips
Awesome
That would be fine in softwoods, or hardwoods if you use a skip tooth chain, but if you use full comp full chisel 25" on a 261 on dense hardwoods, you'll end up overworking a 261. I wouldn't run the 25" on anything smaller than a 60cc saw and even that's a bit of a stretch, especially in wood like dry hickory or locust.
Конечно, сравнили узкую цепь 1,3 с 1,8 )
Cost?
73 euro
95e for 16inch bar and chain from local dealer
Full chisel yo nizzell! Will you be putting some ears on your bear sculpture? Needs ears.
A comparison between a 1.3 to a 1.6?
Of course th e 1.3 will be faster
Gud wrk nuntheless
It's not the length of the bar but how you use it. jk
Здравствуй! я очень бы хотел с тобой познакомится и подружиться если это возможно,ты очень красивая девушка и ты мне очень нравишься! и я очень удивлён как ты ловко обращаешься и столько знаешь про бензопилы,спасибо!
I love u,where are u from?
Still Lights chain catch like Popcorn`s claw.
Fullshizzel 😅😅
Rollomatic vise interes lanca nekoga sa lagh ode zvjeza prije
Много си готина
I am jealous of your husband