Yeah I think when almost every Marvel show or movie needs to connect to the MCU in someway and for lack of a better word practically be a commercial to advertise the next movie it stops these films & shows from standing on their own and makes them less unique & interesting.
Me too. I'm hoping as we get more shows/movies that writers will be able to focus more on their protagonists and plots instead of advertising other projects.
Clearly you don’t wish that, because literally ALL they do is focus on the character development, dipshit. Setting up the next installment is always secondary.
It’s funny that every non-Marvel fan turns to Thor Ragnorak, The Guardians, and Black Panther as the most digestible of the MCU. They’re the only ones that remotely feel like stand alone films that work more towards developing characters than setting up future installments. That and (like WandaVision) they have a unique voice and utilize their mediums in interesting ways to enhance the stories they’re telling
I loved the Guardians and I didn’t even know that they were MARVEL until Infinity War. Either way the point of MARVEL is that it is one big story. So if a person were to just watch a few movies they would like the more individual ones the most because you don’t need to watch the rest to understand and they would make the most sense. I big MARVEL fan would have watched all or at least the majority of movies so they would like more than just the individual ones. Also my explanation of what is in my mind isn’t very good. I really ain’t explaining this properly.
I definitely preferred the first half of the series. I never really cared for Marvel stuff and when it turned into a normal superhero flick in the last half I was disappointed. I loved the Twilight Zone/Trumann Show vibes of the first half, a show only about saving someone from their own sitcom would be fun.
Up until episode 4 the show was just a sitcom that went through the decades. Not saying that is bad, but it is a superhero show not a sitcom. Not going to lie I actually really liked the episode where they put on the magic show.
I feel like, after seeing this video, the things that you note as bad are also signs of bigger problems in the mcu: The "setting up" of future movies and the litteral retcon because THEY DID THEIR JOB WELL on foreshadowing, so people managed to Guess how it was supposed to end
@@DrawpinionDump That... isn't what happened, actually, from the confirmed interview. It isn't like the changes happened to fan theories. It was more like there was a deleted scene they cut that felt like too much of a detour, and they had cut down on episodes before shooting, and had made changes through production. It isn't like they looked at fans theories while things were going on and changed it while the show was airing. It was more like they constantly were editing while in production, which is kind of a thing that happens anyway. The only scene that was confirmed was Senor Scratchy being an enemy for the kids which was noted as being too far from the finale. News articles often don't tell what the interview actually says.
So in other words, this video lies. Because not only are the “things noted as bad” here not true of the show, but not even true of the MCU on the whole. Hell, WandaVision literally has ZERO setting up of future movies, so this whole video is built on a lie. “and the litteral retcon because THEY DID THEIR JOB WELL on foreshadowing” That’s sentence makes no kind of sense. What retcon?
@@RM-cn8pw I don’t know about the last bit but there is setup for future mcu media. Monica has a scene around the middle of the credits where she’s visited by the alien woman who’s name I’ve forgotten and invited to go to space, and the very end of the credits is the scene of Wanda chilling out at home while astral projecting and reading the darkhold until she hears the voices of her children. Those two scenes are clearly setups.
I was convinced after getting his memories back, "Real" Vision would illusion his colors back like how he illusions himself a human disguise, and try to apologise to Wanda, and the two go live in that cabinet in the woods together, just them. No kids, no neighbors, just the two of them alone, together, and in love
@cloudinhabitant Um, why would you do that? You should have watched all of the MCU movies from 'Iron Man' to 'The Avengers 4: Endgame' before you watched 'WandaVision'!
@@brunoss.3273Um, why would you do that? You should have watched all of the MCU movies from 'Iron Man' to 'The Avengers 4: Endgame' before you watched 'WandaVision'!
Your journey through the MCU is similar to mine; I started out intrigued and excited and slowly lost interest over time. I really liked Vision and Wanda as a couple, so you can imagine the ending to Infinity War really tanked what emotional investment I still had in the universe as a whole, lol. (That being said there are other characters I liked, and as a POC I really appreciated Black Panther.) I hated knowing that Wanda's story had to end in so much pain, so while I was interested in WandaVision, I was a bit too nervous to actually sit down and watch it. So I appreciate you covering the show for us. It's disappointing to learn how things ended (just another elaborate ad for the next MCU phase) and the treatment that certain elements of the show received. Ohhh well I guess
1. This show didn’t have to stick to the Marvel formula though. Nor did it. 2. Largely because there is no “Marvel formula.” So you’re essentially saying something you’ve made up “held it back.”
its both sad+cool that big industries like marvel can pull off a series as great as this and give it a platform but at the same time ruin it w their grimy grimy hands
I felt like the ending was rushed and a little disappointing. Everyone knew Agnes was the bad guy and so we were expecting that there must be a bigger bad guy especially with the way they kept mentioning Agnes's husband Ralph, and fake Pietro. And then I would've like to have seen Wanda trying to get over her issues more. I feel like they should've revealed more parts of her backstory in other episodes instead of one episode. I think the 2 plots should've been reversed. More episodes about Wanda and her past, and then only a few telling us what's happening on the outside of the hex. They also set up an arc for Darcy, Wu, and Monica, but they don't go anywhere. We learn that Wu wants a family, and Monica wants to be taken seriously, but it doesn't feel complete.
@@RM-cn8pw People are putting their opinion and you go through and get angry at them for having an opinion. It seems like you are being annoying and spreading hate.
@@ltfamily8577 my god I said somthing in a comment seconds later they popped back up lol Like as much as I hate being mean I'd never date someone who had the nerve to do somthing like that💀
Honestly, when I watched it, I thought the Agatha reveal was a double twist. It seemed so cliche that it must *still* be a result of Wanda's fantasy. That when the fantasy started falling apart, Wanda needed an antagonist to explain why everything was going wrong, so she rewrote Agnes' backstory to make her one. It would've made more sense from a character perspective than just saying everything bad was a result of one lesser known Marvel character who was secretly there the whole time.
The Agatha All Along felt like it was part of her sitcom to create something interesting, but she apparently was the actual villain. I don’t see why there needed to be a villain. Why couldn’t she have just grown as a character and defeat herself? I don’t know.
I'm a very casual fan/watcher of Marvel as well. I don't know any of the comics or care about watching every movie- I'm just fine being along for the ride whenever my dad or sister want to watch Marvel's stuff. Great review, as usual! Also, I have to ask: are you familiar with anything from Cartoon Saloon? They're a 2D animation studio based in Ireland, and are responsible for the movies The Secret of Kells, Song of the Sea, Breadwinner, and most recently Wolfwalkers. They're one of my all time favorite studios and are extremely underrated. I'd love to get your thoughts on their stuff, and I think you'd really enjoy them! I guess you could call them the Irish equivalent of Studio Ghibli. 😁
I feel like the overall problem with wandavision is indeed that it becomes too marvel-y; the premise was so unique and kept me hooked, even though when it was first announced I didn’t even pay attention to it thinking exactly that it was just gonna be another marvel story that I won’t really care about... but then I did, because it didn’t follow the pre-established formula... but then I didn’t, because it started following that pre-established formula gotta give props to the people who worked on the show tho, part of it had to be shot and edited during the lockdown, and that must have changed how a lot of things went
Thank you for a lovely video! I was already hooked and then you mentioned the white-washing which hardly anyone talks about! There are people who get all worked up about casting originally white characters as POC in the superhero industry but then don't bring up how Huntress has been mixed/black in comics since 2014, Pietro and Wanda Maximoff are Jewish Romani, Dick Grayson is Romani, Damian Wayne is of Arab & Chinese descent, Harley Quinn is Jewish, White Canary is Chinese in the comics, etc... You can tell that for many of these critics that their priority is more about keeping DC and Marvel white and less about canon.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who found it overhyped. I did quite like marvel’s new spin on things and I was very curious about where it was going, but I didn’t even end up watching the finale because it slowly became regular marvel stuff. I like marvel a lot but if you advertise yourself to look all new, disappointment to find out it’s later the same formula is bound to happen
Honestly I enjoyed the year long break we got from the MCU. This show renewed my interest in the franchise. At this point it’s clear that the MCU isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. I feel like Endgame was a good jumping off point and I would’ve been content had they ended it there but as it stands I’m happy to see this franchise continue.
That's a great insight into some of the mayor problems of the marvel movie franchise That is that the characters although have some development it isn't so deep ,it feels like some kind of artificial development just to create hype for the next projects
There is nothing resembling insight, great or otherwise, in this video. Especially since said “major problems of the marvel movie franchise” are completely fabricated. “That is that the characters although have some development it isn’t so deep, it feels like some kind of artificial development just so creat hype for the next projects” Case in point. Not one word of that was based in truth.
@@RM-cn8pw Fair enough , your point is valid , I should've expressed myself better because there is some development with some of the characters that lasts Maybe it's not a major problem with the movies in general because if that was a problem there would probably be more outrage I just wanted to say that in my opinion it exist that tendency within the movies using an example is any man who has had some character arches however it doesn't seem that it transcends to other movies he is involved Just my opinion tho
Have you thought about watching Wolfwalkers? I would love to see a video of you talking about the movie :) Edit: Sorry, I never saw this series and I had nothing more to comment lol
i think the only thing that hurt is show was that it had to come out when it wasn’t suppose too. and i also think not knowing just a little about what going on and the characters it will be hard to watch. just like anything that has a story to it.
I kind of like the fact that Wanda wasn’t able to fully connect with Monica and overcome her grief. It kind of gives us a more human reaction. She still feels alone and needs to heal by herself and learn what truly is healthy for her.
I understand your thought process, I also made a 20 minute vídeo talking about this, so I understand all of your frustration, and you are right, the marvel people don't care for actuall good story, they just care for set up and hope that 20 movies down the line will pay off, putting asside so many intrusting ideas
I think the ending may have been rushed in part due to the pandemic. Maybe they meant to shoot one more episode where the character's arcs would have been wrapped up a bit more neatly, but when the pandemic started it became really hard to do so because of social distancing rules (all the characters in the last scene are standing at least 2 meters apart)
My interpretation of the "Agatha All Along" thing was that Agatha wasn't controlling everything in the sitcom, just manipulating things to break Wanda out of the illusion (planting suspicions in Vision's mind).
I agree with your opinions on most of the side characters, I still think it's important to view their arcs from the perspective of the entire MCU and not just from this show. Like for example you can tell that Darcy is not the same person from the Dark World given her promotions and such. Jimmy Woo finally learned how to perform card tricks I guess since Ant Man and the Wasp lol but that one is obviously a stretch. They also hint at certain character traits with Monica involving her and Carol Danvers that I hope we get more of in Captain Marvel two but I agree that more interaction with Wanda would have been nice. And again, some of these characters are just now being introduced and I'm positive we'll get more of Agatha eventually. But other than that like you said opinions are opinions and I guess I'm just a Marvel nerd. Still a great vid keep it up 👍.
That title had screaming. I agree with the video but I kinda knew that wandavision was gonna be use to set up other marvel properties from the beginning.
I put off watching this video for a while because I loved wandavision and I wanted to hang on to that for a bit before someone pointed out all the flaws to me, but all the stuff you mentioned was stuff I had already been feeling! I think the finale was easily the weakest episode because of the utter lack of closure for anyone and I'm very sad about that, but otherwise I think it was a great show.o
@@spacecat_scribbles The last 2 episodes really brought the show down. The Halloween episode wasn’t my favorite but it was getting the show somewhere. The sitcom style of the last episode was enjoyable but the plot in that episode was anti-climatic and couldn’t be less disappointing.
I agree that the main problem with wandavision is the need to set up future movies. I wish there was a version of wandavision that was in an alternate universe where they could wrap up the loose ends and not leave them for other movies.
Honestly, if Disney didn't try to run a monopoly and bring other companies down and let them have a different interpretation, these types of conversations probably wouldn't be as heavy loaded as they are. They would basically just be "this is where the movie went wrong, here is a movie that is trying to succeed at where it went wrong, no movie is perfect though here are some things they could've done to round it out more" No muss and no fuss, controversy can be avoided by everyone and everyone can be happy if they want to be. If they don't want to be then it isn't the end of the world, you have another franchise you can go to that you can escape the whole criticism from, heck, you can even turn off social media and pick and choose your friends and battles. There is no problem there because there is a toxic and a positive zone, with the positive Zone becoming more and more prevalent, see this is how you grow a community.
The reason why I haven't watched many marvel movies is that there's so many all just leading into more movies being made, and it's too complex. I feel like WandaVision could've been so great, but corporations tend to ruin things like this and I wish it wasn't that way
I hate wandavision because of the whitewashing, it looks good but I can't get over it. Especially since the actress that plays Wanda said a slur and never apologized even when she was called out.
the fact no one is talking about this is annoying me, like ... marvel really got away with whitewashing and racial stereotypes and everyone is ignoring it cause "WaNdA DeEp ShEs sAd"
Excellent critique, but I do have one gripe. It _is_ made more-or-less clear what the true extent of "Pietro's" identity is. He's actually just a Westview citizen named Ralph Bohner that Agatha turned into a "re-cast" Pietro so that she could A) mess with Wanda, and B) attempt to coax out of her the answer as to how she created the Hex. The road for any potential future properties he could inspire is essentially a dead end. I think he was just meant to be fanservice, both because A) he dresses up like the original comic book Quicksilver in the Halloween episode, like how Wanda and Vision do the same, and B) he's portrayed by the same actor who played Quicksilver in the X-Men movies. But yeah, I pretty much agree with you 100%, loved the sitcom stuff, hated the Marvel stuff, especially at the end.
I felt thrown off about the reveal because it feels like such a waste of potential, like you said; I guess it was just fanservice, after all, and I refused to believe it. Also, I guess Agatha just gave him powers...?
This is a great take. I kind of agree. I love Wandavision, but I do think it was held back by being a part of the MCU. I love the MCU, but this series' need to set up future movies and series just made its conclusion rather underwhelming. In a way, I feel about the same way about Wandavision as I do about MLP:FiM in that I could go on for quite a while praising the series and also go on for perhaps just as long criticizing it. Wait a second, did I really just compare my feelings about Wandavision to those about MLP:FiM? What have I become? ...Ah, you know what, screw it, Wanda Maximoff is the Starlight Glimmer of the MCU.
This isn’t even a competent take, let alone a great one. “but I do think it was held back by being a part of the MCU.” That literally makes no sense. Something like this could quite literally only work by being part of something like the MCU. So, no. I wasn’t held back at all. “I love the MCU, but this series’ need to set up future movies and series” Something you’ve made up, as this show never does that even once. “just made its conclusion rather underwhelming.” Again, because of something you made up.
@@RM-cn8pw I'm sorry. I definitely was not thinking very hard when I wrote that. What I meant was that I thought that show with a similar concept without ties to a preexisting franchise would have the potential to be better. I also did not like that a show which began and continued to be so original ended with a bland CGI battle. This is just my opinion.
@@aaronfletcher8745 That makes even less sense. Especially since the show is already great, and pretty much can’t get better. How would no ties to a preexisting franchise change literally anything? Also, it didn’t end with a “bland CGI battle.” Not only because that’s not what it was, but that’s not how it ends.
@@RM-cn8pw I have been thinking about this and realize that you are right. Being connected to a franchise or not has no impact on whether a piece of entertainment is good or not. Instead let me say that the while the buildup to the conclusion of Wandavision was incredible, making it one of the most enjoyable, and even moving, tv shows I have seen, I did not enjoy the conclusion as much. This is because of the expectations set up by the show's originality. Going into it, I expected big cgi fights because it is the MCU, but after a few episodes, I began to think it might end in a different way. I am by no way saying that it is the fault of the show for making me feel this way. I let expectations get the better of me and was disappointed because of it. This is my final opinion.
SAME! I enjoyed and really liked it then they revealed the Agatha twist and I wasn’t okay with it. They really had to have a villain. This couldn’t all be entirely about character growth. Nope, just couldn’t.
I hate how the creators were scared of putting a sad woman as the villain. Wanda was a monster, and many people suffered because of her and will continue to suffer with adults traumatized and kids scarred for life. They even put a government officer as a villain because of course he had to be one. The thing that closed the deal for me was: "They'll never know what you sacrificed", like, bitch what?
She was more than just sad BUT if I was a person in Westview I wouldn’t just forgive her quickly. Also she lost her parents, brother, and boyfriend so “sad” is an understatement. I think making Agatha a villain was unnecessary and they should have just left Wanda as both the protagonist and antagonist. She grows in character and in the end defeats herself. Either way the whole “they will never understand what you gave up” is a stretch. She took a whole town hostage and made them feel her grief. Yes she was depressed but don’t except forgiveness. IRL if someone kidnapped a child because their mother died they would still go to jail.
I think the thing that really stopped me from enjoying the show and Wanda's MCU characterization, in general, is the fact that it completely ignores her and Pietro's Romani and Jewish heritage. In the comics, Wanda and Pietro are the children of Magneto, who is a Jewish Holocaust survivor, and his wife Magda, who is a Romani woman. Their heritage is a major part of their characterization in the comics and plays a huge role in the struggles they face (considering that they were originally linked to the x-men whose stories are supposed to be an allegory for the civil rights movement and the struggle against oppression in general). The fact that the MCU ignores really rubbed me the wrong way
I personally adore it besides the finale. I think it's because wanda is probably my most favorite superheros and to see her getting the spotlight and character development that she deserves. Also they got the best actors in the mcu in the show. Also fan theories kinda ruined the show especially the finale I personally have a head cannon that nando v movies has for the finale.
I think the mcu, for better and for worse, has fully emulated the comic book storytelling structure of story setting up and referencing every other story in the universe. it's a big reason as to why I don't read comics- the sheer archive panic of it- and it's what I see being the biggest hurdle in drawing in new fans for the marvel movies. Snyderverse aside, what I'm appreciating from DC's current cinematic releases is the fact that they've seemed to do away with the whole interconnected universe. they may have hints of being in the same universe like a cameo in Shazam or Birds of Prey starring Margot's Harley, but they are first and foremost standalone stories and there's no plans for a big crossover or anything. I hoped that Endgame being done and over with meant that marvel was heading in a similar direction, but apparently not- but I still am hopeful that good stories are to come.
My biggest let down in the series was how Monica’s character was treated. She was the only one who showed empathy towards Wanda and it was all for nothing :\
This kinda reminds me that all I heard about Wandavision after watching it was theories and the rare comment about the writing of Wanda's grief. And one of the theories I heard ? "Wanda was so hurt, traumatized and grief stricken that she regressed into her mind and this is all her headspace, and she's asleep or in a sort of comatose." And my first comment on that was "Marvel would never write such a thing." *TECHNICALLY SPOILERS* I think the fact that I was right about that was kinda upsetting. Like, I said it as a joke. . .
Yeah, It's truly a sad story. It was easy to connect with her I'm just personally disappointed how the franchise needed to be referenced. Hopefully we can get more stories like this though!
@@ellec7188 I really hope we can get more like this ! And where we can please go without violent fights or anything. I want it to be like . . . Exploring the trauma and how they cope, WITHOUT saying "they punched their way out of it" / "they believed and got better !" Show that trauma is difficult to get over. A FIGHT to get over. Show that you never can truly shake it off, but you can learn to live with it. But knowing Marvel we may never get that. . .
Fake Pietro was Ralph Boehner, Agnes was using his house and brainwashed him into her puppet The show made the point in saying that wanda's magic is chaos born more of her grief than actual conscious thought. She accepted the world around her because she didn't really know what was going on and only actively changed things when outside forces were involved. Agnes was able to manipulate her by playing into what she wanted and convincing her that her actions were part of the story. Like how everything got more complicated as a shows went through the decades, Agnes made bigger and bigger problems for Wanda to solve causing strain on her mentally.
I loved the sitcom style and the mystery of why it was happening, and I’m not even against the agents part of the story, but I would’ve loved if we got a bit longer without everything being explained. And especially i would’ve preferred if Agatha was either a regular neighbor or a red herring, and instead of a random Salem-style witch being the bad guy there was just... no bad guy. Just a character grieving and developing as a person, and moving on. I’m not even completely against bringing Vision back to life, since I like happy endings, just as a lot of people have said, don’t end your cool creative sitcom spoof style show with a big sky cgi battle between witches, then say “come back to these two upcoming movies to see what happens next.”
“And especially i would’ve preferred if Agatha was either a regular neighbor or a red herring,” That makes no kind of sense on any level. “instead of a random Salem-style witch being the bad guy there was just... no bad guy.” A story kinda needs conflict in order to, you know, HAPPEN, genius. If there’s no source of conflict, Wanda can’t go through the growth she does in the show. “Just a character grieving and developing as a person, and moving on.” That’s literally the show. “I’m not even completely against bringing Vision back to life,” Well you’re in luck then, because they didn’t.
“Just as a lot of people have said, don’t end your cool creative sitcom spoof style show with a big sky cgi battle between witches,” So, a story shouldn’t have a climax? That makes no sense. And that’s not even how it ends. “then say ‘come back to these two upcoming movies to see what happens next.’” They didn’t say that. Or anything even similar to it, as the story is concluded here in this episode. You don’t have to go to any upcoming lives to see what happens next. You see the conclusion right here.
I think we’re working on a different opinion of what “anything explained” mean probably. We don’t get every single thing explained until the penultimate episode, there are still surprises until then, but we do get a considerable number of things explained in episode 4, like whether this is happening in the real world or being imagined, what those bits like the red helicopter and radio message were, how Monica got into the show, how the real world is reacting to this, etc. There are still answers yet to be explained, but the general sense of mysteriousness that comes from only seeing these events through the eyes of Wanda’s sitcom world does go away, so we don’t really get that sense of uneasiness when something in her world doesn’t go as planned as much after that point, because we’re also seeing the context of how it happened. Not really sure what you mean by it “makes no kind of sense on any level”? It does, I have two options I would’ve preferred for the show to have gone with, one being having Agnes be a regular neighbor who maybe looks suspicious, but ultimately is harmless but nosy, and another being Agnes being revealed as Agatha, but we later learn that this was a scripted reveal and all part of the plan of Wanda’s sitcom world, as a way of projecting her guilt from hurting these people onto a third party bad guy, rather than herself. I didn’t come up with that second option myself btw, just heard someone explain it and I like the idea of it. I didn’t say don’t add conflict, I said don’t add a Salem-witch style bad guy. There would still be plenty of conflict, just not with a bad guy to fight at the end. The theory I explained of Agatha being another part of Wanda’s reality, there for her to blame instead of herself, would be conflict, but that conflict would ultimately lead to a different conclusion than her fighting a witch in the sky, because it’s an internal problem with herself. Plenty of romance stories have lots of conflict while having zero bad guys, because the conflict is a difference of characters’ feelings, beliefs, maybe internal conflict one character is feeling impact another negatively and there’s fallout from that. Sports shows (scripted shows around sports, not real life sports) have heaps of conflict, but often there’s no bad guy, just multiple people or groups with clashing philosophies about how to play the sport, hard work vs natural talent etc. Neither side is ultimately the bad guy that should be defeated or is defeated, they’re both sides you could cheer for, depending on how you relate to the characters, but there is still tension and conflict between them. Back to Wandavision, there could be plenty of conflict between her and fake-guilt-projection-Agatha, concluding with her stopping her by accepting that she did this, meaning Agatha ceases to exist, or in the case that Agnes is a harmless neighbor, there could be conflict between her and Vision, her kids, and the agents trying to stop her. There already is conflict between her and Vision, and her and the agents in the show as it is now. Vision could be the one to convince her of the pain she’s inflicting on the residents, or how she should let him go to spare them, that sort of thing, rather than being something Agatha shows her. Yeah that is in the show, but my line was more saying “just” that. Like her doing that, without Agatha showing up and being the thing she had to fight. It’s connected to what I was saying earlier, Wanda’s actions are the things she has to come to terms with and fix, and throughout the course of the show she develops as a character, without a bad guy to fight at the end. They didn’t bring the old Vision back to life, but they did restore his body, then fake Vision restored at least part of his memories, so it’s left open-ended that he could still eventually, be back as a character. That’s what I was referring to. I didn’t say it shouldn’t have a climax, of course it should, it’s just again related to the misunderstanding from earlier, it could have been a climax based more on introspection or Wanda realizing something about herself, either by herself of through interactions with Monica or fake Vision, and treating it more like “Wanda’s inability to fully accept and grieve for her loss, and her refusal to accept that the solution she created for herself is hurting those around her, is the ‘antagonist’ that she needs to defeat.” She rises above the part of herself that forced other people to experience pain so she could live her ideal life, and comes out better and stronger for it. She develops, she defeats her “antagonist”, there’s a climax, but there no battle with a murderous witch, just flawed but well-meaning intentions, and Wanda’s friends and family trying to help her, and maybe having to fight her to get through to her at some point. There is “a” conclusion in the final episode, but it’s clearly not a fully closed one. We still don’t know where the real Vision is or whether he will find Wanda, we don’t know almost anything about Monica’s powers, or whether she’ll become a hero, or what she will do, beyond going to space, we don’t know what will happen with Wanda, whether the Dark Hold with corrupt her, whether she will find happiness or peace, whether she’ll ever see her children again, or whether she ever does unlock Agatha’s true personality like she predicted she’d need to. And I don’t think it’s a “it’s an ending where it’s left open to interpret for the viewers”, I think it’s definitely a “to see what happens next, people will need to see our future installments, as from what I can tell, Wanda is going to appear in a future movie with Dr Strange, so her story definitely isn’t over, and stories that aim to tie everything together conclusively don’t tend to end with two separate teaser scenes in the credits, that offer no actual resolution, only ask new questions. The last thing we see Wanda do is ominously reading the Dark Hold, then hearing her kids yell out to her, that doesn’t conclude anything about her story, if anything the story with her kids was more conclusive before that scene, we saw her say goodbye to them before letting their world die to save those she’d trapped within it - now, 5 seconds before the end of the series, were given new information and zero conclusion to them, only an idea of what might happen in the future. To see what happens next to Wanda, you need to watch a future movie/series; to see what happens next with Vision, you need to watch a future thing; to see what happens with her kids, you need to watch a future thing; to see what happens next with Monica, you need to watch a future thing; and to even know what Agatha was talking about when she said “you’ll need me” or something like that, you need to watch a future thing. I feel like certain plots have been both created and concluded with Wandavision, but that other plots were set up with no conclusion, as an incentive to watch future projects. It might be presumptuous, but I doubt almost anyone who watched Wandavision doesn’t expect those questions left unanswered to be answered in upcoming Marvel projects, it’s pretty much expected. Wanda’s story is not concluded, with a chance for her to show up in the future as fan service, huge questions were raised about her destiny, powers and children with one episode to go (5 seconds to go for that last one), and none of them were given conclusions, so her story not being continued is less “maybe we’ll see her again someday” and more “if we don’t see her again, they just kind of left some big plot threads dangling without answers huh?” Hope I made it clearer what I meant with my comment last time :)
@@mlsdreavusjargon6910 Yeah, at a certain point, you need context in order for a story to, you know, matter. “Not really sure what you mean by ‘it makes no kind of sense on any level’? It does,” No, it very much doesn’t. “I gave two options I would’ve preferred for the show to have gone with, one being having Agnes be a regular neighbor who maybe looks suspicious, but is ultimately harmless but nosy,” That would not work at all. “and another being Agnes being revealed as Agatha, but we later learn that this was a scripted reveal and all part of the plan of Wanda’s sitcom world,” That’s an even worse idea. Largely because that serves no function. “as a way of projecting her guilt from hurting these people into a third party bad guy, rather than herself.” Again, that doesn’t work. Narratively or otherwise.
Just so you know accusing Disney of Whitewashing the character played by Tilda Swinton is wrong. The actual Tibetan government contacted Disney and expressed that they DID NOT want a Chinese actor playing that role and to just go ahead with Tilda Swinton. There are roles that are politically charged as such and since Disney/Marvel bows down to China as evidenced through uh perhaps how their poster badically erased John Boyega, its not an issue with her playing that role. As for Wandavision, I am a slacker MCU fan, I watched it simply due to the fact it reminded me of The Truman Show with Jim Carrey. Except if Truman was controlling all of it. I definitely related to Wanda. Being Autistic I absolutely hate when things change or don't go smoothly and found myself smirking when Wanda would correct something here or there. I get that you had issues but I just enjoyed this show for what ut was to me, a fun little romp with great references to each era of TV and a good breather between movie phases I guess. Also if Monica Rambaeu replaces Brie Larson as Capitan Marvel I will be over the moon. Also I wanted to add in that Steve Rodgers got his happy ending, he went back and married his sweetheart Peggy Carter as shown in Endgame. Respectfully dissagree, but your opinion is valid as mine is. And boy do I know about having a different opinon, I actually loved IT chapter 2 and wanted more, heck I still want the four hour cut. I think there was so much missing to certain character story arches, but only time will tell if WB is gonna release that, deleted scenes or the supercut.
I'm glad you had a good time watching Wandavision! My comment about Doctor Strange was more general, regarding the whole controversy with China and Tibet, and the article I picked was just a facet of that scenario, but I understand it is not representative of the issue as a whole. I think Monica won't replace Captain Marvel, she's just gonna have her own thing going on. Your opinions are valid and I thank you for sharing them!
I didn't like how the creators of the show acted like we were all crazy for having certain expectations, even though they hyped it up and kept saying things that would make us have those expectations in the 1st place. It's Star Wars all over again. They hyped up questions about who Rey's parents are and then laugh at us when it turns out to be nobody, even though they are the ones who told us it was important.
@@RM-cn8pw If you say all the comic-con videos and interviews that the creators did, saying things like "Well, you'll just have to watch the next one to find out, or how "some of the characters have a deep connection with Rey."
@@jayquillberry4972 You can’t seriously be dumb enough to think “some of the characters have a deep connection with Rey” is talking about her parents’ identity. You just can’t. No wonder you think things that weren’t hyped up were.
@@RM-cn8pw If you saw the context that led them to say this you would. Somebody had asked if characters like Han Solo were related to Rey. They made it seem like they weren't wanting to spoil it. Plus in the movies themselves, they made it seem like her parents were important, only for them to be nobody's only to be revealed that actually, she's a Palpatine, so it was important.
@@jayquillberry4972 Except if you had actually watched the movies, no. Literally not even once do they make it seem like her parents were important. TFA contains zero hints to anything of the sort
basically, you really want Wandavision to be good, but it isn't at least not for you actually I think there's more show's like this than actually good ones
To me it sounds like you just want to watch a sitcom. This was a marvel show that was about wanda learning to deal with the trauma of her life. And the way she dealt with it was created a life that was in a sitcom format. Some of your arguments were far though like how they don't really focus on the characters development as much as they should. But none the less that is just how marvel is. But in my opinion I think you were just not the targeted audience.
Regardless of how you feel about Agatha, you gotta admit how amazing is having the first villain with a super-evil theme song
The only good thing about her reveal was her musical number. If you're gonna be a witch, at least be extra about it!
@@DrawpinionDump That reminds me of Megamind hahahahhahahahaha
Yaas! I found both her song and her witch aesthetic to be amazing!
The magic of Disney
I haven't watched it yet so that'll be something cool to look forwards to.
I couldn't agree more. I wish marvel movies would focus on the character development over setting up the next marvel installation.
Yeah I think when almost every Marvel show or movie needs to connect to the MCU in someway and for lack of a better word practically be a commercial to advertise the next movie it stops these films & shows from standing on their own and makes them less unique & interesting.
Me too. I'm hoping as we get more shows/movies that writers will be able to focus more on their protagonists and plots instead of advertising other projects.
Exactly
Marvel has made me start to dislike superhero stuff
@@ellec7188 That makes no kind of sense. How exactly would them making some of the best superhero stuff there is make you dislike superhero stuff?
Clearly you don’t wish that, because literally ALL they do is focus on the character development, dipshit.
Setting up the next installment is always secondary.
Marvel shows/movies are at their best when they just focus on the characters and not plugs in the plots for the sequels
So, like this. Because this show focuses on the characters. There’s literally few to no plugs for sequel plots.
@@RM-cn8pw I think the only time we get a sequel plug or something was in the finale when we saw her reading through the book
It’s funny that every non-Marvel fan turns to Thor Ragnorak, The Guardians, and Black Panther as the most digestible of the MCU. They’re the only ones that remotely feel like stand alone films that work more towards developing characters than setting up future installments. That and (like WandaVision) they have a unique voice and utilize their mediums in interesting ways to enhance the stories they’re telling
I loved the Guardians and I didn’t even know that they were MARVEL until Infinity War. Either way the point of MARVEL is that it is one big story. So if a person were to just watch a few movies they would like the more individual ones the most because you don’t need to watch the rest to understand and they would make the most sense. I big MARVEL fan would have watched all or at least the majority of movies so they would like more than just the individual ones. Also my explanation of what is in my mind isn’t very good. I really ain’t explaining this properly.
I definitely preferred the first half of the series. I never really cared for Marvel stuff and when it turned into a normal superhero flick in the last half I was disappointed. I loved the Twilight Zone/Trumann Show vibes of the first half, a show only about saving someone from their own sitcom would be fun.
Up until episode 4 the show was just a sitcom that went through the decades. Not saying that is bad, but it is a superhero show not a sitcom. Not going to lie I actually really liked the episode where they put on the magic show.
I think it is hated because how we can’t have Vision as a husband. Unfair as heck.
Reasonable
I feel like, after seeing this video, the things that you note as bad are also signs of bigger problems in the mcu:
The "setting up" of future movies and the litteral retcon because THEY DID THEIR JOB WELL on foreshadowing, so people managed to Guess how it was supposed to end
@@DrawpinionDump They value surprising the audience more than making something that would satisfy them basically
@@DrawpinionDump That... isn't what happened, actually, from the confirmed interview. It isn't like the changes happened to fan theories. It was more like there was a deleted scene they cut that felt like too much of a detour, and they had cut down on episodes before shooting, and had made changes through production. It isn't like they looked at fans theories while things were going on and changed it while the show was airing. It was more like they constantly were editing while in production, which is kind of a thing that happens anyway. The only scene that was confirmed was Senor Scratchy being an enemy for the kids which was noted as being too far from the finale. News articles often don't tell what the interview actually says.
@@DrawpinionDump Nothing even similar to that was confirmed. Can you maybe not make shit up?
So in other words, this video lies. Because not only are the “things noted as bad” here not true of the show, but not even true of the MCU on the whole.
Hell, WandaVision literally has ZERO setting up of future movies, so this whole video is built on a lie.
“and the litteral retcon because THEY DID THEIR JOB WELL on foreshadowing”
That’s sentence makes no kind of sense. What retcon?
@@RM-cn8pw I don’t know about the last bit but there is setup for future mcu media. Monica has a scene around the middle of the credits where she’s visited by the alien woman who’s name I’ve forgotten and invited to go to space, and the very end of the credits is the scene of Wanda chilling out at home while astral projecting and reading the darkhold until she hears the voices of her children. Those two scenes are clearly setups.
I was convinced after getting his memories back, "Real" Vision would illusion his colors back like how he illusions himself a human disguise, and try to apologise to Wanda, and the two go live in that cabinet in the woods together, just them. No kids, no neighbors, just the two of them alone, together, and in love
We were robbed of a Wanda/Monica friendship
I had never watched a single marvel movie before watching wandavision and i still enjoyed it :P
Same, and in fact I felt curious to watch other Marvel movies, something I never felt like doing.
That's the biggest lie I see going online.
@@mysterio7807 which?
@cloudinhabitant
Um, why would you do that? You should have watched all of the MCU movies from 'Iron Man' to 'The Avengers 4: Endgame' before you watched 'WandaVision'!
@@brunoss.3273Um, why would you do that? You should have watched all of the MCU movies from 'Iron Man' to 'The Avengers 4: Endgame' before you watched 'WandaVision'!
Your journey through the MCU is similar to mine; I started out intrigued and excited and slowly lost interest over time. I really liked Vision and Wanda as a couple, so you can imagine the ending to Infinity War really tanked what emotional investment I still had in the universe as a whole, lol. (That being said there are other characters I liked, and as a POC I really appreciated Black Panther.)
I hated knowing that Wanda's story had to end in so much pain, so while I was interested in WandaVision, I was a bit too nervous to actually sit down and watch it. So I appreciate you covering the show for us.
It's disappointing to learn how things ended (just another elaborate ad for the next MCU phase) and the treatment that certain elements of the show received. Ohhh well I guess
Except that’s not how it ends in the slightest. There’s literally no ad for the next MCU anything at the end of WandaVision. Elaborate or otherwise.
Seeing the Blue Skies headline again bummed me out, I wish we could still get the Nimona move
every day I think of the Nimona movie we could've had
@@DrawpinionDump it would have meant so much for gay representation
THIS AGED SO WELL Y'ALL-
I feel like having to stick to to the mavel formula held it back.
1. This show didn’t have to stick to the Marvel formula though. Nor did it.
2. Largely because there is no “Marvel formula.”
So you’re essentially saying something you’ve made up “held it back.”
Agreed, the need to have a big fight at the end was really annoying. I didn’t want to watch a 👏🏼drawn 👏🏼out 👏🏼Marvel 👏🏼movie👏🏼
@@yourresidentanon4169 How was something you made up annoying? Because there is no need to have a big fight at the end.
@R M the marvel formula always has the showdown at the end
its both sad+cool that big industries like marvel can pull off a series as great as this and give it a platform but at the same time ruin it w their grimy grimy hands
Nothing about this was ruined by their grimy hands though.
Largely because there were no grimy hands to ruin it.
I felt like the ending was rushed and a little disappointing. Everyone knew Agnes was the bad guy and so we were expecting that there must be a bigger bad guy especially with the way they kept mentioning Agnes's husband Ralph, and fake Pietro. And then I would've like to have seen Wanda trying to get over her issues more. I feel like they should've revealed more parts of her backstory in other episodes instead of one episode. I think the 2 plots should've been reversed. More episodes about Wanda and her past, and then only a few telling us what's happening on the outside of the hex. They also set up an arc for Darcy, Wu, and Monica, but they don't go anywhere. We learn that Wu wants a family, and Monica wants to be taken seriously, but it doesn't feel complete.
Great analysis! I laughed when you said "the other 500 Marvel movies" :-D
Where? Because there’s no analysis to be found in this garbage heap of a video
@@RM-cn8pw Why are you so pressed. You got your point across in the other 500 comments you posted in. No need to spread hate just calm down.
@@ltfamily8577 I’m not the one spreading hate
@@RM-cn8pw People are putting their opinion and you go through and get angry at them for having an opinion. It seems like you are being annoying and spreading hate.
@@ltfamily8577 my god I said somthing in a comment seconds later they popped back up lol
Like as much as I hate being mean I'd never date someone who had the nerve to do somthing like that💀
Honestly, when I watched it, I thought the Agatha reveal was a double twist. It seemed so cliche that it must *still* be a result of Wanda's fantasy. That when the fantasy started falling apart, Wanda needed an antagonist to explain why everything was going wrong, so she rewrote Agnes' backstory to make her one. It would've made more sense from a character perspective than just saying everything bad was a result of one lesser known Marvel character who was secretly there the whole time.
The Agatha All Along felt like it was part of her sitcom to create something interesting, but she apparently was the actual villain. I don’t see why there needed to be a villain. Why couldn’t she have just grown as a character and defeat herself? I don’t know.
1:38 Okay now you're just showing off how melodic and great your voice is
I'm a very casual fan/watcher of Marvel as well. I don't know any of the comics or care about watching every movie- I'm just fine being along for the ride whenever my dad or sister want to watch Marvel's stuff. Great review, as usual!
Also, I have to ask: are you familiar with anything from Cartoon Saloon? They're a 2D animation studio based in Ireland, and are responsible for the movies The Secret of Kells, Song of the Sea, Breadwinner, and most recently Wolfwalkers. They're one of my all time favorite studios and are extremely underrated. I'd love to get your thoughts on their stuff, and I think you'd really enjoy them! I guess you could call them the Irish equivalent of Studio Ghibli. 😁
I love this studio!!! Secret of Kells has lived in my mind rent-free ever since I watched it as a young teen!
I watched Breadwinner. That movie was sad. Unless I am thinking of a different movie.
I feel like the overall problem with wandavision is indeed that it becomes too marvel-y; the premise was so unique and kept me hooked, even though when it was first announced I didn’t even pay attention to it thinking exactly that it was just gonna be another marvel story that I won’t really care about... but then I did, because it didn’t follow the pre-established formula... but then I didn’t, because it started following that pre-established formula
gotta give props to the people who worked on the show tho, part of it had to be shot and edited during the lockdown, and that must have changed how a lot of things went
Thank you for a lovely video! I was already hooked and then you mentioned the white-washing which hardly anyone talks about! There are people who get all worked up about casting originally white characters as POC in the superhero industry but then don't bring up how Huntress has been mixed/black in comics since 2014, Pietro and Wanda Maximoff are Jewish Romani, Dick Grayson is Romani, Damian Wayne is of Arab & Chinese descent, Harley Quinn is Jewish, White Canary is Chinese in the comics, etc... You can tell that for many of these critics that their priority is more about keeping DC and Marvel white and less about canon.
No one talks about it, because there’s no white-washing to talk about.
Me who’s never seen it
*Visible confusion*
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It’s okay. The person who made the video didn’t see it either.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who found it overhyped. I did quite like marvel’s new spin on things and I was very curious about where it was going, but I didn’t even end up watching the finale because it slowly became regular marvel stuff. I like marvel a lot but if you advertise yourself to look all new, disappointment to find out it’s later the same formula is bound to happen
Honestly I enjoyed the year long break we got from the MCU. This show renewed my interest in the franchise. At this point it’s clear that the MCU isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. I feel like Endgame was a good jumping off point and I would’ve been content had they ended it there but as it stands I’m happy to see this franchise continue.
That's a great insight into some of the mayor problems of the marvel movie franchise
That is that the characters although have some development it isn't so deep ,it feels like some kind of artificial development just to create hype for the next projects
There is nothing resembling insight, great or otherwise, in this video.
Especially since said “major problems of the marvel movie franchise” are completely fabricated.
“That is that the characters although have some development it isn’t so deep, it feels like some kind of artificial development just so creat hype for the next projects”
Case in point. Not one word of that was based in truth.
@@RM-cn8pw Fair enough , your point is valid , I should've expressed myself better because there is some development with some of the characters that lasts
Maybe it's not a major problem with the movies in general because if that was a problem there would probably be more outrage
I just wanted to say that in my opinion it exist that tendency within the movies using an example is any man who has had some character arches however it doesn't seem that it transcends to other movies he is involved
Just my opinion tho
Hii i love ur content could u review WALL-E maybe?
Have you thought about watching Wolfwalkers? I would love to see a video of you talking about the movie :)
Edit: Sorry, I never saw this series and I had nothing more to comment lol
i think the only thing that hurt is show was that it had to come out when it wasn’t suppose too. and i also think not knowing just a little about what going on and the characters it will be hard to watch. just like anything that has a story to it.
I kind of like the fact that Wanda wasn’t able to fully connect with Monica and overcome her grief. It kind of gives us a more human reaction. She still feels alone and needs to heal by herself and learn what truly is healthy for her.
agatha, was a bad twist, sure...but i can't be mad about it with that theme song! omg i died laughing XDD
legendary. film-making history.
I understand your thought process, I also made a 20 minute vídeo talking about this, so I understand all of your frustration, and you are right, the marvel people don't care for actuall good story, they just care for set up and hope that 20 movies down the line will pay off, putting asside so many intrusting ideas
Can you please do a video about "Mary and the witch's flower"? It's an anime movie I saw a few years ago and I remember it being really good
Gosh I also forgot about Pietro, when he made his first appearance in Wandavision I was like: boy were did you come from?
I think the ending may have been rushed in part due to the pandemic. Maybe they meant to shoot one more episode where the character's arcs would have been wrapped up a bit more neatly, but when the pandemic started it became really hard to do so because of social distancing rules (all the characters in the last scene are standing at least 2 meters apart)
Ahhh good point
Another cool analysis! Excellent video!
I don't really like marvel movies, but I enjoyed the series (skipped the fight scenes tho lol)
My interpretation of the "Agatha All Along" thing was that Agatha wasn't controlling everything in the sitcom, just manipulating things to break Wanda out of the illusion (planting suspicions in Vision's mind).
I agree with your opinions on most of the side characters, I still think it's important to view their arcs from the perspective of the entire MCU and not just from this show. Like for example you can tell that Darcy is not the same person from the Dark World given her promotions and such.
Jimmy Woo finally learned how to perform card tricks I guess since Ant Man and the Wasp lol but that one is obviously a stretch.
They also hint at certain character traits with Monica involving her and Carol Danvers that I hope we get more of in Captain Marvel two but I agree that more interaction with Wanda would have been nice.
And again, some of these characters are just now being introduced and I'm positive we'll get more of Agatha eventually.
But other than that like you said opinions are opinions and I guess I'm just a Marvel nerd.
Still a great vid keep it up 👍.
Not really much of a character arc when nearly all of the development is done offscreen.
That title had screaming.
I agree with the video but I kinda knew that wandavision was gonna be use to set up other marvel properties from the beginning.
@@maurabewsmedia1688 cool
true i’m they literally tell that this was going to lead into dr strange and spider man
I put off watching this video for a while because I loved wandavision and I wanted to hang on to that for a bit before someone pointed out all the flaws to me, but all the stuff you mentioned was stuff I had already been feeling! I think the finale was easily the weakest episode because of the utter lack of closure for anyone and I'm very sad about that, but otherwise I think it was a great show.o
The finale episode was kind of anti-climatic to me.
@@Hi-ky2wd yeah I totally agree. I don't think there was enough real emotional moments :(
@@spacecat_scribbles The last 2 episodes really brought the show down. The Halloween episode wasn’t my favorite but it was getting the show somewhere. The sitcom style of the last episode was enjoyable but the plot in that episode was anti-climatic and couldn’t be less disappointing.
I agree that the main problem with wandavision is the need to set up future movies. I wish there was a version of wandavision that was in an alternate universe where they could wrap up the loose ends and not leave them for other movies.
The thing i most hate about marvel movies are that they kill off characters and dont even give them proper time to shine like Agatha or Pietro
Well they needed to kill off Pietro because of Sony. Sony also owns Pietro and they were fighting over the rights.
It was Fox not Sony
Comment time! Lets boost the algorithm!
@@maurabewsmedia1688 cool
Bump!
@@ConradTwigs correct
Wandavision! Let's watch now!!
Honestly, if Disney didn't try to run a monopoly and bring other companies down and let them have a different interpretation, these types of conversations probably wouldn't be as heavy loaded as they are. They would basically just be "this is where the movie went wrong, here is a movie that is trying to succeed at where it went wrong, no movie is perfect though here are some things they could've done to round it out more" No muss and no fuss, controversy can be avoided by everyone and everyone can be happy if they want to be. If they don't want to be then it isn't the end of the world, you have another franchise you can go to that you can escape the whole criticism from, heck, you can even turn off social media and pick and choose your friends and battles. There is no problem there because there is a toxic and a positive zone, with the positive Zone becoming more and more prevalent, see this is how you grow a community.
The reason why I haven't watched many marvel movies is that there's so many all just leading into more movies being made, and it's too complex. I feel like WandaVision could've been so great, but corporations tend to ruin things like this and I wish it wasn't that way
She and her witch sister rival, (idk I've never really watched it)
BOTH JUST HIT THE WALL
I hate wandavision because of the whitewashing, it looks good but I can't get over it. Especially since the actress that plays Wanda said a slur and never apologized even when she was called out.
the fact no one is talking about this is annoying me, like ... marvel really got away with whitewashing and racial stereotypes and everyone is ignoring it cause "WaNdA DeEp ShEs sAd"
@@phylasvell Exactly!! The only person I've heard talking about it is fixation_or_infatuation on tiktok and she's getting a boatload of hate for it.
@@phylasvell What racial stereotype was used in the show? Just asking.
Excellent critique, but I do have one gripe. It _is_ made more-or-less clear what the true extent of "Pietro's" identity is. He's actually just a Westview citizen named Ralph Bohner that Agatha turned into a "re-cast" Pietro so that she could A) mess with Wanda, and B) attempt to coax out of her the answer as to how she created the Hex. The road for any potential future properties he could inspire is essentially a dead end. I think he was just meant to be fanservice, both because A) he dresses up like the original comic book Quicksilver in the Halloween episode, like how Wanda and Vision do the same, and B) he's portrayed by the same actor who played Quicksilver in the X-Men movies.
But yeah, I pretty much agree with you 100%, loved the sitcom stuff, hated the Marvel stuff, especially at the end.
I felt thrown off about the reveal because it feels like such a waste of potential, like you said; I guess it was just fanservice, after all, and I refused to believe it. Also, I guess Agatha just gave him powers...?
marvel knew it would get there watches up if it meant it would mean X men is canon in the MCU multiverse
The MCU is becoming very... Moffat-ish. "Something satisfying MIGHT happen later, WATCH THE NEXT ADDITION TO THE FRANCHISE TO FIND OUT!"
you said everything i was feeling
I loved everything that happened in the town, but all the outside stuff was just boring and pointless.
This is a great take. I kind of agree. I love Wandavision, but I do think it was held back by being a part of the MCU. I love the MCU, but this series' need to set up future movies and series just made its conclusion rather underwhelming. In a way, I feel about the same way about Wandavision as I do about MLP:FiM in that I could go on for quite a while praising the series and also go on for perhaps just as long criticizing it. Wait a second, did I really just compare my feelings about Wandavision to those about MLP:FiM? What have I become? ...Ah, you know what, screw it, Wanda Maximoff is the Starlight Glimmer of the MCU.
This isn’t even a competent take, let alone a great one.
“but I do think it was held back by being a part of the MCU.”
That literally makes no sense. Something like this could quite literally only work by being part of something like the MCU. So, no. I wasn’t held back at all.
“I love the MCU, but this series’ need to set up future movies and series”
Something you’ve made up, as this show never does that even once.
“just made its conclusion rather underwhelming.” Again, because of something you made up.
@@RM-cn8pw I'm sorry. I definitely was not thinking very hard when I wrote that. What I meant was that I thought that show with a similar concept without ties to a preexisting franchise would have the potential to be better. I also did not like that a show which began and continued to be so original ended with a bland CGI battle. This is just my opinion.
@@aaronfletcher8745 That makes even less sense. Especially since the show is already great, and pretty much can’t get better. How would no ties to a preexisting franchise change literally anything?
Also, it didn’t end with a “bland CGI battle.” Not only because that’s not what it was, but that’s not how it ends.
@@RM-cn8pw I have been thinking about this and realize that you are right. Being connected to a franchise or not has no impact on whether a piece of entertainment is good or not. Instead let me say that the while the buildup to the conclusion of Wandavision was incredible, making it one of the most enjoyable, and even moving, tv shows I have seen, I did not enjoy the conclusion as much. This is because of the expectations set up by the show's originality. Going into it, I expected big cgi fights because it is the MCU, but after a few episodes, I began to think it might end in a different way. I am by no way saying that it is the fault of the show for making me feel this way. I let expectations get the better of me and was disappointed because of it. This is my final opinion.
@@aaronfletcher8745 They're harassing everyone just because they think they are right don't worry about it :)
Dang, put my thoughts to words.
Your voice is nice and so are your videos!
Oof, your falling out of the MCU fandom is basically exactly what happened to me
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I completely agree. I loved Wandavision until Agatha was revealed. It was an unnecessary twist only for introducing Agatha into the MCU
SAME! I enjoyed and really liked it then they revealed the Agatha twist and I wasn’t okay with it. They really had to have a villain. This couldn’t all be entirely about character growth. Nope, just couldn’t.
I hate how the creators were scared of putting a sad woman as the villain.
Wanda was a monster, and many people suffered because of her and will continue to suffer with adults traumatized and kids scarred for life. They even put a government officer as a villain because of course he had to be one.
The thing that closed the deal for me was: "They'll never know what you sacrificed", like, bitch what?
She was more than just sad BUT if I was a person in Westview I wouldn’t just forgive her quickly. Also she lost her parents, brother, and boyfriend so “sad” is an understatement. I think making Agatha a villain was unnecessary and they should have just left Wanda as both the protagonist and antagonist. She grows in character and in the end defeats herself. Either way the whole “they will never understand what you gave up” is a stretch. She took a whole town hostage and made them feel her grief. Yes she was depressed but don’t except forgiveness. IRL if someone kidnapped a child because their mother died they would still go to jail.
I thought the Pietro thing was clear enough. He was a fake-out and was never actually Pietro, just someone Agatha was controlling.
Idc this got me to consider staying alive lol
I think the thing that really stopped me from enjoying the show and Wanda's MCU characterization, in general, is the fact that it completely ignores her and Pietro's Romani and Jewish heritage. In the comics, Wanda and Pietro are the children of Magneto, who is a Jewish Holocaust survivor, and his wife Magda, who is a Romani woman. Their heritage is a major part of their characterization in the comics and plays a huge role in the struggles they face (considering that they were originally linked to the x-men whose stories are supposed to be an allegory for the civil rights movement and the struggle against oppression in general). The fact that the MCU ignores really rubbed me the wrong way
I wish they kept her as Jewish. Shows and films barely have Jewish characters unless the movie or film or whatever is related to World War 2.
Ok, it is kind of the franchises fault everyone forgot about pietro because nobody in the movies have mentioned him since ultron
I personally adore it besides the finale. I think it's because wanda is probably my most favorite superheros and to see her getting the spotlight and character development that she deserves. Also they got the best actors in the mcu in the show. Also fan theories kinda ruined the show especially the finale I personally have a head cannon that nando v movies has for the finale.
I think the mcu, for better and for worse, has fully emulated the comic book storytelling structure of story setting up and referencing every other story in the universe. it's a big reason as to why I don't read comics- the sheer archive panic of it- and it's what I see being the biggest hurdle in drawing in new fans for the marvel movies. Snyderverse aside, what I'm appreciating from DC's current cinematic releases is the fact that they've seemed to do away with the whole interconnected universe. they may have hints of being in the same universe like a cameo in Shazam or Birds of Prey starring Margot's Harley, but they are first and foremost standalone stories and there's no plans for a big crossover or anything. I hoped that Endgame being done and over with meant that marvel was heading in a similar direction, but apparently not- but I still am hopeful that good stories are to come.
I watched Shazam and Wonder Woman and those movies could definitely be stand alones
You’re right and you should say it
My biggest let down in the series was how Monica’s character was treated.
She was the only one who showed empathy towards Wanda and it was all for nothing :\
I agree 100% I was also annoyed by that
WandaVision: Just replay Fallout 4 instead
Wandavision is a really good show stuck inside a Disney marvel property :/
This kinda reminds me that all I heard about Wandavision after watching it was theories and the rare comment about the writing of Wanda's grief.
And one of the theories I heard ? "Wanda was so hurt, traumatized and grief stricken that she regressed into her mind and this is all her headspace, and she's asleep or in a sort of comatose." And my first comment on that was "Marvel would never write such a thing."
*TECHNICALLY SPOILERS*
I think the fact that I was right about that was kinda upsetting. Like, I said it as a joke. . .
Yeah, It's truly a sad story. It was easy to connect with her I'm just personally disappointed how the franchise needed to be referenced. Hopefully we can get more stories like this though!
@@ellec7188 I really hope we can get more like this ! And where we can please go without violent fights or anything. I want it to be like . . . Exploring the trauma and how they cope, WITHOUT saying "they punched their way out of it" / "they believed and got better !" Show that trauma is difficult to get over. A FIGHT to get over. Show that you never can truly shake it off, but you can learn to live with it. But knowing Marvel we may never get that. . .
Fake Pietro was Ralph Boehner, Agnes was using his house and brainwashed him into her puppet
The show made the point in saying that wanda's magic is chaos born more of her grief than actual conscious thought. She accepted the world around her because she didn't really know what was going on and only actively changed things when outside forces were involved. Agnes was able to manipulate her by playing into what she wanted and convincing her that her actions were part of the story. Like how everything got more complicated as a shows went through the decades, Agnes made bigger and bigger problems for Wanda to solve causing strain on her mentally.
I loved the sitcom style and the mystery of why it was happening, and I’m not even against the agents part of the story, but I would’ve loved if we got a bit longer without everything being explained.
And especially i would’ve preferred if Agatha was either a regular neighbor or a red herring, and instead of a random Salem-style witch being the bad guy there was just... no bad guy. Just a character grieving and developing as a person, and moving on. I’m not even completely against bringing Vision back to life, since I like happy endings, just as a lot of people have said, don’t end your cool creative sitcom spoof style show with a big sky cgi battle between witches, then say “come back to these two upcoming movies to see what happens next.”
We literally didn’t get anything explained until the penultimate episode of the show. Is that not long enough for you?
“And especially i would’ve preferred if Agatha was either a regular neighbor or a red herring,” That makes no kind of sense on any level.
“instead of a random Salem-style witch being the bad guy there was just... no bad guy.”
A story kinda needs conflict in order to, you know, HAPPEN, genius. If there’s no source of conflict, Wanda can’t go through the growth she does in the show.
“Just a character grieving and developing as a person, and moving on.”
That’s literally the show.
“I’m not even completely against bringing Vision back to life,”
Well you’re in luck then, because they didn’t.
“Just as a lot of people have said, don’t end your cool creative sitcom spoof style show with a big sky cgi battle between witches,”
So, a story shouldn’t have a climax? That makes no sense.
And that’s not even how it ends.
“then say ‘come back to these two upcoming movies to see what happens next.’”
They didn’t say that. Or anything even similar to it, as the story is concluded here in this episode. You don’t have to go to any upcoming lives to see what happens next. You see the conclusion right here.
I think we’re working on a different opinion of what “anything explained” mean probably. We don’t get every single thing explained until the penultimate episode, there are still surprises until then, but we do get a considerable number of things explained in episode 4, like whether this is happening in the real world or being imagined, what those bits like the red helicopter and radio message were, how Monica got into the show, how the real world is reacting to this, etc. There are still answers yet to be explained, but the general sense of mysteriousness that comes from only seeing these events through the eyes of Wanda’s sitcom world does go away, so we don’t really get that sense of uneasiness when something in her world doesn’t go as planned as much after that point, because we’re also seeing the context of how it happened.
Not really sure what you mean by it “makes no kind of sense on any level”? It does, I have two options I would’ve preferred for the show to have gone with, one being having Agnes be a regular neighbor who maybe looks suspicious, but ultimately is harmless but nosy, and another being Agnes being revealed as Agatha, but we later learn that this was a scripted reveal and all part of the plan of Wanda’s sitcom world, as a way of projecting her guilt from hurting these people onto a third party bad guy, rather than herself. I didn’t come up with that second option myself btw, just heard someone explain it and I like the idea of it.
I didn’t say don’t add conflict, I said don’t add a Salem-witch style bad guy. There would still be plenty of conflict, just not with a bad guy to fight at the end. The theory I explained of Agatha being another part of Wanda’s reality, there for her to blame instead of herself, would be conflict, but that conflict would ultimately lead to a different conclusion than her fighting a witch in the sky, because it’s an internal problem with herself. Plenty of romance stories have lots of conflict while having zero bad guys, because the conflict is a difference of characters’ feelings, beliefs, maybe internal conflict one character is feeling impact another negatively and there’s fallout from that. Sports shows (scripted shows around sports, not real life sports) have heaps of conflict, but often there’s no bad guy, just multiple people or groups with clashing philosophies about how to play the sport, hard work vs natural talent etc. Neither side is ultimately the bad guy that should be defeated or is defeated, they’re both sides you could cheer for, depending on how you relate to the characters, but there is still tension and conflict between them. Back to Wandavision, there could be plenty of conflict between her and fake-guilt-projection-Agatha, concluding with her stopping her by accepting that she did this, meaning Agatha ceases to exist, or in the case that Agnes is a harmless neighbor, there could be conflict between her and Vision, her kids, and the agents trying to stop her. There already is conflict between her and Vision, and her and the agents in the show as it is now. Vision could be the one to convince her of the pain she’s inflicting on the residents, or how she should let him go to spare them, that sort of thing, rather than being something Agatha shows her.
Yeah that is in the show, but my line was more saying “just” that. Like her doing that, without Agatha showing up and being the thing she had to fight. It’s connected to what I was saying earlier, Wanda’s actions are the things she has to come to terms with and fix, and throughout the course of the show she develops as a character, without a bad guy to fight at the end.
They didn’t bring the old Vision back to life, but they did restore his body, then fake Vision restored at least part of his memories, so it’s left open-ended that he could still eventually, be back as a character. That’s what I was referring to.
I didn’t say it shouldn’t have a climax, of course it should, it’s just again related to the misunderstanding from earlier, it could have been a climax based more on introspection or Wanda realizing something about herself, either by herself of through interactions with Monica or fake Vision, and treating it more like “Wanda’s inability to fully accept and grieve for her loss, and her refusal to accept that the solution she created for herself is hurting those around her, is the ‘antagonist’ that she needs to defeat.” She rises above the part of herself that forced other people to experience pain so she could live her ideal life, and comes out better and stronger for it. She develops, she defeats her “antagonist”, there’s a climax, but there no battle with a murderous witch, just flawed but well-meaning intentions, and Wanda’s friends and family trying to help her, and maybe having to fight her to get through to her at some point.
There is “a” conclusion in the final episode, but it’s clearly not a fully closed one. We still don’t know where the real Vision is or whether he will find Wanda, we don’t know almost anything about Monica’s powers, or whether she’ll become a hero, or what she will do, beyond going to space, we don’t know what will happen with Wanda, whether the Dark Hold with corrupt her, whether she will find happiness or peace, whether she’ll ever see her children again, or whether she ever does unlock Agatha’s true personality like she predicted she’d need to. And I don’t think it’s a “it’s an ending where it’s left open to interpret for the viewers”, I think it’s definitely a “to see what happens next, people will need to see our future installments, as from what I can tell, Wanda is going to appear in a future movie with Dr Strange, so her story definitely isn’t over, and stories that aim to tie everything together conclusively don’t tend to end with two separate teaser scenes in the credits, that offer no actual resolution, only ask new questions. The last thing we see Wanda do is ominously reading the Dark Hold, then hearing her kids yell out to her, that doesn’t conclude anything about her story, if anything the story with her kids was more conclusive before that scene, we saw her say goodbye to them before letting their world die to save those she’d trapped within it - now, 5 seconds before the end of the series, were given new information and zero conclusion to them, only an idea of what might happen in the future. To see what happens next to Wanda, you need to watch a future movie/series; to see what happens next with Vision, you need to watch a future thing; to see what happens with her kids, you need to watch a future thing; to see what happens next with Monica, you need to watch a future thing; and to even know what Agatha was talking about when she said “you’ll need me” or something like that, you need to watch a future thing. I feel like certain plots have been both created and concluded with Wandavision, but that other plots were set up with no conclusion, as an incentive to watch future projects. It might be presumptuous, but I doubt almost anyone who watched Wandavision doesn’t expect those questions left unanswered to be answered in upcoming Marvel projects, it’s pretty much expected. Wanda’s story is not concluded, with a chance for her to show up in the future as fan service, huge questions were raised about her destiny, powers and children with one episode to go (5 seconds to go for that last one), and none of them were given conclusions, so her story not being continued is less “maybe we’ll see her again someday” and more “if we don’t see her again, they just kind of left some big plot threads dangling without answers huh?”
Hope I made it clearer what I meant with my comment last time :)
@@mlsdreavusjargon6910 Yeah, at a certain point, you need context in order for a story to, you know, matter.
“Not really sure what you mean by ‘it makes no kind of sense on any level’? It does,”
No, it very much doesn’t.
“I gave two options I would’ve preferred for the show to have gone with, one being having Agnes be a regular neighbor who maybe looks suspicious, but is ultimately harmless but nosy,”
That would not work at all.
“and another being Agnes being revealed as Agatha, but we later learn that this was a scripted reveal and all part of the plan of Wanda’s sitcom world,”
That’s an even worse idea. Largely because that serves no function.
“as a way of projecting her guilt from hurting these people into a third party bad guy, rather than herself.”
Again, that doesn’t work. Narratively or otherwise.
Me who has never watched the new marvel show
Just so you know accusing Disney of Whitewashing the character played by Tilda Swinton is wrong. The actual Tibetan government contacted Disney and expressed that they DID NOT want a Chinese actor playing that role and to just go ahead with Tilda Swinton. There are roles that are politically charged as such and since Disney/Marvel bows down to China as evidenced through uh perhaps how their poster badically erased John Boyega, its not an issue with her playing that role.
As for Wandavision, I am a slacker MCU fan, I watched it simply due to the fact it reminded me of The Truman Show with Jim Carrey. Except if Truman was controlling all of it. I definitely related to Wanda. Being Autistic I absolutely hate when things change or don't go smoothly and found myself smirking when Wanda would correct something here or there. I get that you had issues but I just enjoyed this show for what ut was to me, a fun little romp with great references to each era of TV and a good breather between movie phases I guess. Also if Monica Rambaeu replaces Brie Larson as Capitan Marvel I will be over the moon. Also I wanted to add in that Steve Rodgers got his happy ending, he went back and married his sweetheart Peggy Carter as shown in Endgame. Respectfully dissagree, but your opinion is valid as mine is. And boy do I know about having a different opinon, I actually loved IT chapter 2 and wanted more, heck I still want the four hour cut. I think there was so much missing to certain character story arches, but only time will tell if WB is gonna release that, deleted scenes or the supercut.
I'm glad you had a good time watching Wandavision! My comment about Doctor Strange was more general, regarding the whole controversy with China and Tibet, and the article I picked was just a facet of that scenario, but I understand it is not representative of the issue as a whole. I think Monica won't replace Captain Marvel, she's just gonna have her own thing going on. Your opinions are valid and I thank you for sharing them!
I didn't like how the creators of the show acted like we were all crazy for having certain expectations, even though they hyped it up and kept saying things that would make us have those expectations in the 1st place. It's Star Wars all over again. They hyped up questions about who Rey's parents are and then laugh at us when it turns out to be nobody, even though they are the ones who told us it was important.
Except you’re lying, because nobody but you hyped up questions about who Rey’s parents are. They never told you they were important.
@@RM-cn8pw If you say all the comic-con videos and interviews that the creators did, saying things like "Well, you'll just have to watch the next one to find out, or how "some of the characters have a deep connection with Rey."
@@jayquillberry4972 You can’t seriously be dumb enough to think “some of the characters have a deep connection with Rey” is talking about her parents’ identity. You just can’t.
No wonder you think things that weren’t hyped up were.
@@RM-cn8pw If you saw the context that led them to say this you would. Somebody had asked if characters like Han Solo were related to Rey. They made it seem like they weren't wanting to spoil it. Plus in the movies themselves, they made it seem like her parents were important, only for them to be nobody's only to be revealed that actually, she's a Palpatine, so it was important.
@@jayquillberry4972 Except if you had actually watched the movies, no. Literally not even once do they make it seem like her parents were important. TFA contains zero hints to anything of the sort
basically, you really want Wandavision to be good, but it isn't
at least not for you
actually I think there's more show's like this than actually good ones
Wandavision was awesome!!!!!!!!!!
Wandavision is a gateway drug for david linch so please walk through
Pretty please
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let's go!
@@maurabewsmedia1688 cool
@@maurabewsmedia1688 cool
Me, who has yet to watch wandavision 👁👄👁
Gente que habla español: ¿No es una capa esta piba?
Yeah I cans see why you had your issues with the series. Wanda vision got great in the beginning but as later goes on it lost its touch.
Personally I love Wandavision
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To me it sounds like you just want to watch a sitcom. This was a marvel show that was about wanda learning to deal with the trauma of her life. And the way she dealt with it was created a life that was in a sitcom format. Some of your arguments were far though like how they don't really focus on the characters development as much as they should. But none the less that is just how marvel is. But in my opinion I think you were just not the targeted audience.
I agree. Even though the sitcom parts were great WandaVision isn’t meant to be a sitcom. It is a MARVEL show with a different meaning and purpose.
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