timberframe workshop roof
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Finally time to put a roof on our timberframe workshop. We start by hand planing some reclaimed yellow poplar and hemlock rafters from a 100+ year old house which was torn down. Then we cover the roof with green poplar sheathing, followed by underlayment and a metal roof. Rafters use a simple half lap joint combined with clinch nails.
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I'm hoping 'The Samurai Carpenter' watches this and sees that zero talk and more action is the way forward... This guy's an artist.
For some people, it is. This style of video is instructive, but you don't get the same information you do with SC's video style, so you're left to learn by visuals, and alot of people struggle with that method of learning. I personally prefer it, but I'm not everyone.
Totally agree with you Tim. I find that guy annoying and this guy inspirational
Very nice job. I would like to gradually learn this. Where do you live in the world?
+Martin Krogsgaard Thank you. We live in Eastern KY, USA. I think it would a great thing for anyone to learn.
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There is that mule again! How come you didn't put on cedar shakes for the roof?
We did not have the correct trees to rive shakes from, and a metal roof was cheaper than buying them.
I've been doing some research on cutting wooden shingles for a cabin build. Found some sources that claim red oak can be used if cut thin. It has large pores which allow air to circulate and dry it quickly ( which is one reason it is not suitable for cutting boards, open pores allow bacteria to enter) Also found references for using eastern white pine. I had planned on using eastern red cedar but a clear tree with a large enough diameter is hard to come by. Red oak has more value quarter sawn and sold but white pine intrigues me. I'd like to talk to some old timers and find a more reliable source than the internet :)
The price and ease of installation make metal roofing very attractive.
+Corey Ackerman there's a book you might be interested in called "old ways of working wood" by Alex Bealer, it goes into detail of different trees, there uses as firewood, shakes and fence posts, it talks about different tools that are forgotten by most and how to use them. I highly recommend it, one of the most impressive books I've seen on real old school techniques. Mr chickadee might even learn something in there
Finds a tree. Cuts it down. Turns it into boards. ALL BY HAND!!! NO MACHINES!! Better than everyone else who uses power equipment. You sir, you've earned the right and honor to be called sir, are a master of masters!!! Amazing work
im furniture maker of some 30 years, and i learnt what might seem a small thing to you, the way you nailed the apex of the trusses together you bent the point over then finished nailing through then nailed the back of the nail into the face, i never knew the point was bent over first ! that explains why the nailing of boards on ledge and brace doors never work off, as i say a small thing but made my day, the guy who taught you was old school, the gift was passed on.a pleasure sir, thank you
Mr. Chickadee is the man! Dude puts so much work into his craft and it always comes out beautifully. Well done, yet again!
Man , would I love to be out there doing that every day and not dealing with the same ole B.S of the "normal" everyday grind!! Way to go Mr Chickadee, keep on doing what your doing, I love the videos!!😀
Many people don't realize how much work actually goes into this. You here things like: "Oh, that's nice! You're taking taking your time building this and don't stress about it." The reality is that you could build like six modern workshops with the amount of work that goes into just this one. I'm renovating an old timber school and at this point it's taken me 17 years, long days, too, 7 days a week. And I hear this from almost every person that I meet. Then someone's complaining about a sheet metal roof. Give them a fucking break!
would love to see some pictures .... good for you
Old school carpentry is an art, in my opinion. It does my heart good to see it still being done. Thank you, Mr. Chickadee, for keeping the skill alive and well.
Makes me wonder what I'm doing with my life
Very nice!! but black steel roofing would have melted in better :-)
Beautiful work. Very envious that you live somewhere where you can build something like that. But I must admit that I was disapointed with the roofing. Would look so nice with wooden shingles.
OMG! Did anybody else get a flash of the old PBS series A Woodright’s Workshop? It was the plane that did it.
I want to thank you for what you do. By watching you work, and how you work, I have found a better way to work myself. Attention to detail, keeping concentrated on what I am doing and not on the clock, and the joy of producing good and satisfying work I owe in great part to you. Thank you, I really enjoy your demonstrations...
Wow, thank you
Mr Chickadee. Why have you used doweling on most of the building and used nails for the roof frame and not doweling? You're work is of an extremely high standard. Love watching you video's.
Clinch nailing.Good tip.
looks a great spot, keep up the good work.
+Francis Barnett Thank you!
it took me 7 years to build half a house using electric tools lol
this will c me die b4 i finish. hats off to u
nice wood work , but inaesthetic in the end. (because of the roof )
dajesz radę:)
I have huge admiration for your understanding of techniques and use of tools. Very entertaining (and relaxing) videos to watch.
Holy crap this guy just built a fuckin house with only hand tools and his wife's help
+Faldi Calvin Wijiono LMAO! Thanks for the comment!
Carpenter here. To me it looks like that truss design will push the walls apart when weight is applied. Usually theres a bottom chord to take care of this. How do you avoid that with your design?
Maybe theres not a lot of snow in your area.
This frame has what is called a "common rafter" type roof. The outward roof thrust is handled by timber tie beams in this case. Our building has rather high knee walls, and would be better with shorter ones, but with its narrow width combined with steep pitch, the small amount of snow which it catches slides off pretty fast. We may add some secondary ties near the top plates in the future, so far so good.
It makes sense to build a tall, elongated structure in a dense wood. It requires less tree felling and is suitable for a tall occupant.
Outstanding videography that completely complements the excellent teaching of the methods used. Thanks for sharing.
Steel roof? No hand split shake? Love your work excellent craftsmanship.
I hope that you make furniture or something like that, your skills should be seen, showcased and handed down.
A metal roof on such an old-fashioned, hand-crafted house may "sound" weird, and I read in your blog that it was mainly a decision of necessity, but it looks great!
LOVE IT!
i am absolutely blown away with that nail trick you did with the trusses.
+Joseph Mckay Thanks, "clench nails" were the norm before screws, many packing boxes were made that way.
It must be interesting trying to get one of those joints apart, should you make an error. Love your work regardless.
Clinch nailing,I like it
I thought he would start making Poplar shingles because the steel roof won't last as long .
I like the metal roof, holds up for a long long time and sounds great when it rains.
Based.
You are a mad lad putting on that whole roof with a socket and wrench! Haha!
I love that nail trick for the ridge! You sir, are one stoic badass! Bravo and thanks for the inspiration. Bout to start cutting a frame for a friend soon. Did you seriously do all this by yourself? I’m jealous of your ability to create the opportunity for yourself to take such time for your craft. Officially subscribed as of now!
i always thought you would be a square nail type of guy
He does, but usually only where it shows
Wow man ,. that is better than the first video....
No snow there in Kentucky? If there is, I'd be concerned about ~2x4 rafters at what looks like 24" centers without any collar ties or trussing. Nice work by the way. In these days of everything being machine manufactured, it's nice to see someone working mostly traditionally.
+ctyragdoll Thanks. We are betting on our steep pitch and slick metal to shed snow well. I guess if it gets too crazy Ill knock it off.
If it becomes a problem, you could always add some collar beams to the rafters at a later time. Have a great and safe New Year :o)
+ctyragdoll If those rafters break it will be where there is a defect missed by the builder. If they separate (flatten) it will be because the second floor has separated from the columns. Also; the short run allows some risk taking as does the fairly steep pitch. Do you dis-agree? Modern Engineers don't appreciate risk taking because they do not partake of the labor or the cost of materials.
No, I don't disagree, I was concerned with loading from snow, as I'm unfamiliar with the area that he's building in. I know that where I am, it's a great concern due to the amounts. I think today's architects, engineers, and contractors (and the companies they work for) are more concerned with litigation than initial cost for materials and design. Litigation over a structural failure can put a company out of business, costing far more than initial design, materials and construction. When building for yourself, the risk taking is only limited by local and state building codes - which pretty much guarantees a fair amount of safety as long as they're conformed with.
+ctyragdoll Many design concerns may be addressed if one simply searches out long lived buildings in their area and studies them to see what has worked in the past, this is mostly sure to work in the future for your geographical local. In the case of our rafters, we took these same rafters from a house built in 1918, and copied the roof pitch and rafter spacing, which is about 10 in 12 and 24" OC…this house had a much loner span, almost double the width of our workshop, so we felt pretty sure it would withstand anything our area would throw our way. For us, age old/time tested beats modern ideal/code book any day, many of the "up to code" buildings and even materials used today have not been tested or used for more than 50 years…but many building styles have proven their strength for hundreds of years...
I'm curious, how did you learn to do this? Fantastic work! I will build a rammed earth walled home with a timber frame roof.
The bending of the nails was brilliant!
now that's what I call a BLOCK plane
nice job on nail clinching. you are a real good craftsman. most young carpenters don't know how to do that kind of joinery.
Nail clinching! Good!
great and traditional skills. I am injoying watching this. good to keep this kind of woodwork around.
+Jo Ann Fowler thank you, that is our primary reason to show all this.
Realy great work but I don´t like the metal roof at all. But nice work !
Love that working in the rain-forest sound.
This is seriously impressive and I hope I can take it up. Did you mill all of the lumber by hand?
+Nelson C (VolHawk) Thanks, and you should. Yes, the frame was all hewed with a felling axe as in our other videos, some of the lumber was reclaimed, some we milled.
Hey i just found an old carpentry tool chest and I can't figure out what is wrong with the saws. The saws looks very similar so I was wondering if you had any tips.
Working feels relaxing when watching you :)
Why would there be something wrong with the saws?
Alright. It´s a little far away. I live in France, but thank you anyways
+Martin Krogsgaard You're welcome! You might find some French Timber framers to learn from as well!
Until I saw the metal roof, I had felt/thought that you would use cedar shakes! Again, great worksmanship, especially on those decorative gable ends.
You deleted your blog site!! Where did you go??
I see now, it's all on your website. Thanks!
Good afternoon Mr. Chickadee... two summers ago I made a similar roof like your for a small wooden house.. I would like to ask you: what is the distance you personally like to use between each roof rafter? I find it very interesting we used both half half joints... I glue them instead of nailing. Please tell me what would be the safest distance for the roofrafters if I want to sit on the roof, without cracking, I used 40 cm of distance between every rafter. Thank you for your help.
It would have been nice if you had cut some white oak bolts and used a froe to split some wood shingles/shakes for the roof! Great video and you did a fine job!
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Muito bom...
Very good...
Lol wowwy zowwy!!!! Omg...Those oversized common nails forming a bent locking system for the roof framing is absolutely bleeping genius!!! Thank u man!
I am truly amazed with your skills!
Thanks, but anyone can do this, just takes a little practice!
Nice decoration of the eaves. It reminded me of this 5 centuries old, timber frame building:
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Markt_20,_Sittard
What happened to smell a vision I would've liked to been there for that block planing
You are right. There is no reason to stagger those roof sheathing boards. Except perhaps "force of habit".
My Dad loved to use cut nails. He had some made once but then we found a local farmer that had a store of original ones. So many that my Dad never had to have new ones made again.
The days when men built houses without scaffolding.
great video, where and when did you learn your craft? so good to see traditional techniques being used, good for the soul!!!
How long did it take you too this point to construct this? I'm guessing with the hand hewn lumber and joinery, you'd be touching 3 months?
Wow, just beautiful work.
+Peter Kos Thank you!
Great carpenter skills. You can come and help me make my cabin.
amazing, nature is beautiful,
+Netani Vaine thank you, and yes it truly is!
unbelievable. what an amazing job you did on this. well done. i truly hope people are learning this from you
love the videos but how are you not laughing when the cat is jumping around you xD
Hi. I read your blog about why you chose a metal roof and understand your dilemma. One traditional roof material to consider in the future is clay tile. You have clay on site I think. Clay tile is true to the traditional construction techniques that I think in the UK we generally refer to as Tudor. Buildings always reflected the materials available locally. Thatch was only used where arable farming was established. Google Tudor clay tile. All very well done by the way.
+Brian Jones Thanks for the comment. We did consider clay tile, its cost and long distance of shipping were prohibitive. Apparently thatch rots quickly here with our humidity and heat, (funny as I always thought of the UK as the wettest place) we do have clay here, unfortunately it is no longer produced, the great brick and tile factories in KY shut down long ago...most tile available is from far off even foreign locations.
+Brian Jones Ive seen his videos, real nice. Yes I would love to try that, perhaps one day!
True the UK has more than its share of rain but we do have a lot of thatched roofs especially in the south west made from Norfolk long straw. Its an expensive roof to maintain if you do not do it yourself and insurance is a problem too
I really wanted to do thatch, long straw though not reed, but as I understand it our weather here will rot it down in no time at all…sad.
Good workmanship but want last for long.
+Fritz Katzer Actually many houses built 500+ years ago in Europe survive quite well to this day, and some are now guest hotels….you may find a google search of "wattle and daub timber frame" to be enlightening.
+Mr. Chickadee Not to mention earthquake prone Japan, where even nails aren't used in centuries old wooden temples and homes.
Red is an excellent color for a roof. And metal is a good choice in fire season.
Amazing..
Respect to you .
thats sum nice looking wood
Superbe travail mes amis ;)
+Chtouns Merci beaucoup!
Awesome....!!
+Deckie Deckie Thanks!
I can't stop watching!!!
Still looks very good Mr. C. Thank you again.
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Blown away by your craftsmanship but.....the metal roof .....well it doesn't belong on your workshop. I understand why you used it but...NO.Your amazing though...
+Doug Furman trust me, it hurt to put it on, I wanted thatch, or oak shake, or something…but time just got away from us this year...
I understand, still one bad ass shop....
+Mr. Chickadee If you plan on saving rainwater then you lucked out. The metal will not dirty or contaminate the water.
Meh. That metal roof is insanely functional and will last a long time.
@@MrChickadee I wouldn't worry yourself. Metal roofs were used in the 1800s.
admirable !
What a first class job. You are a true master. Thank you for sharing and best wishes.
+John W. Peterson Thank you sir!
Beautiful
u rock
not interested in a hand hewn oak shingle roof? alot of satisfaction and natural beauty in that
+Liam Meharry Perhaps in the future.
That roof really pushed me off the boat. Really nice job.
Thank you!
It's getting better and better! Thanks.
So, first time watcher. Old ways with new material. Just wondering, is there a reason?
What are you referring to as “new material”? The roof...
Just found you today and have been gorging myself on your videos. I absolutely love the use of the half laps and clinched nails. You just do not see many people using this technique.
+TheKlickitat BTW: I am going to post a link to your videos on the PNW Antique Tool Society fb group.
+TheKlickitat Thank you so much, glad you enjoyed our little video!
Nice work. Where do you get your pants?
Frontier classics brand
Wow
nice work
Nails?
But did you notice he did something special with them?
Omg his oversized common nails bent twice perfectly to form a locking system, lol it's pure genius yet simple, yet genius!! Wow Hey?
didn't you make it awfully hard on yourself notching both the beams and the rafters? couldn't you have just notched the rafters square to sit on the beam? What was behind the decision?
+Evan Connor I utilized a traditional rafter to top plate joint used in many old buildings. The purpose of notching the top plate is to let the rafter sit down so the roof decking is flush from rafter to plate.
Interesting. I suppose that gives more support, so upper layers of roofing are also more secure.
after watching again (can't help it) realized you also don't have to make a soffit that way. guess you all don't want critters and drafts.
Why did you use iron nails to hold the rafters together? Wouldn't wood be strong enoth?
+RFDarter I wouldn't use just a wooden peg if doing simple half lap joints on rafters, if you did something more secure such as a bridle joint or M&T then that would probably be fine.
Mr. Chickadee ok, got that :)
Since I got you here, I would like to ask you how you did the foundation?
+RFDarter mrchickadee.wordpress.com/2015/05/09/stone-foundation/
Mr. Chickadee
Thanks, that was a great read.
In the comments under that post you talked about using lime mortar in the future.
Would you use lime morta for your next foundation, or would you be concerned if it would dry or not?
+RFDarter Yes, I enjoy lime much more than portland cement, and will use it in the future.
Where did you get all the wood for the house?
lmao! good one
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1:56 what is the purpose of the plastic bag/ducktape at base of the post?
Maybe to prevent moisture from getting up into the end grain? I generally think that's a fruitless endeavor as anything that keeps moisture out also traps moisture in.
just trying to keep the rain out of the joints before we put the roof on.
Did you take a vow of silence? lol you guys never talk
We just don't feel words are necessary to explain things we do.
Like Primitive Technology. I love it!
Someone give that man a 25 ounce framing hammer.
tortugabob There is a reason for using the "Commander" , the big wooden mallet, rather than a modern metal hammer, most particularly when driving wooden pegs or anything else made of wood. The metal hammer puts the force of each blow into the wood so fast that the wood is damaged. The wooden commander puts its energy into the wood slower and therefore can drive it rather than shatter it.