What To Think About When Buying Land
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We get a lot of questions about how to choose and prepare a site for building a home, such as what things to look out for, how to get power, wells and water, and septic.. This is something we cover in-depth in our in-person Design Build class, but in this video Pat breaks the topic down to a few key considerations, and explains the basic principles involved in picking land to build your own home.
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For an young person like me who’s just trying to figure out what kind of land and house I want to own and live in, this was very informative.
awesome information, would love to see the 4 hour version
I’m so glad I found your channel! I own a small contracting company and I just bought land an hour from your school. I’m building my 650 sq/ft home to start a homestead for my family. I plan to build a timber frame home and garage in the future and hope to find an opening in your school as soon as possible. Thank you for sharing your mid-coast wisdom!
Here's a class that would be classified as priceless!!! Thank you sir!!!
please make the 4 hour version! I would study the heck out of that course!
It was sound advice and I enjoy watching your presentations! The government and their property tax just blows the ideals of private property out of the water.
Keep vids of this guy coming he is so smart and a great presenter bottle his wisdom up thru video as much as u can
What a remarkable video!! Sobering, sensible but absolutely knowledgable. Loved it!
Pat, It was fabulous meeting you yesterday. This is excellent information. We have chosen and purchased our land already only 25 minutes from your shop. Seems we have chosen on the left side of the line you’ve drawn. We are more than excited for your family to build our timber frame home!
I met my wife in California in 77. We were engaged on the second date and married three months or so later. We bought our first house when we moved to Colorado five months after meeting. I discovered I don't want to deal with neighbors that are too close to me. I moved south to back to the External Tank portion of the Space Shuttle program and bought 5.2 acres. Hardly anything grew on the lend it was red concrete. After many years of intentional neglect the land healed and started to grow. I now have southern yellow and loblolly pine with Cherry and Oak etc. I'll be building with Earthbags with a bunch of timber framed floors stairs etc. My job made it impossible to keep everything looking picture perfect fortunately. I learned that Gene Logsdon was correct. Given time the shrubs fall away leaving a nice forest with trees to harvest and good soil under that. Retired now and getting on with what I want to do finally. Awesome channel glad I found it.
I had no money no well no power and no septic. I got a beautiful 5 acres at the end of the road bordering 50 miles of NW forest. I couldn't be happier.
@tom Jensen yeah but how much
8.5 acres same deal -no power no water not septic no internet. Not in any rush change that.
Family wasn’t happy we bought land 19 hours away. But, we got a few objective and subjective items checked off.
It’s small, only around 5 acres. But subjectively.. We got a mostly level potentially beautiful spot, that has a 1/4 acre pond, a wet weather stream in about an acre and half of woodlands. We had a personal connection and calling we can’t explain.
And objectively we have electricity and rural water on two sides of our property, and also have county maintained road. We are allowed to harvest enough rain water for up to two acres of crops… and we are in an unincorporated county, which opens a few other doors for us as well.
I’m gave you all a follow, and am gonna give good thought to your online classes. We are planning on taking a year or two to get things in order out there before we make it our home!
I believe Wyoming and Montana have even lesser population that 5 people/sq.mile, but they also have one of the higher suicidal rate per capita in US. No matter how seclusive an individual may be, we, as humans, are still gregarious.
As for the lack of selenium in your soil, it is quite common in many areas of the East Coast in North America. Quebec, for instance, is famous for its lack of selenium in hay, but we add minerals into the diet and it works just fine.
On the other hand, an extremely dense country like South Korea has a very high suicide rate.
It would be nice to know who is commiting suicide, and why? City people, rural people, 50/50? What is their age, does that vary by state? Perhaps an old man living in the middle of nowhere “goes out on his own terms” when he can no longer care for the place, rather than moving to a “managed” situation. That is very different that a depressed 20 year old in a city giving up on life.
A higher suicide rate in a state does not necessarily mean that place is one of despair. I would not be shocked if the list of states with suicide got turned upside down during the pandemic, with states with higher restrictions rising to the top.
I can confirm the mood of most at this time is better in East Idaho, than it is in CA. Idahoans are simply living their lives. Most Californians I know are either terrified, or mired in politics and conflict with each other.
@@kftc1980 The idea behind my comment was that the more dense a population is in a particular area, and by area I understand city, county or states, the more expensive a piece of land is. Now, it all comes down to what extent do we go to have our piece of land? Would you buy, let's say 5 acres for 500000$ or 500 acres for the same money or less? Should you choose the former you'll pay more for less, but you'll be close to neighbors, help and facilities; shall you choose the latter, you'll have a lot of intimacy, quasi-freedom, but you'll be far from everybody and everything, which, as you pointed out, might push somebody to put an end to his/her life when he won't be able to provide for his livestock or to take care of his land. That is all, hope it helps.
Everything is a balancing act of give or take, win or loose, compromise between a lot or not much, so what's the right answer there is no right answer,,,do what u can with what u have.
As long as land goes US/ North America is pretty much useless because of price,tax,weather,regulations.can't built because of permits,can't grow because of extreme weather,can rent out because of regulations,etc,,,etc,,,the American dream of having property its just that a Dream,,make your money & buy property outside the US some where else where fruit trees grow and the Wheather is not trying to kill u.do it b4 its too late
excellent perspective. Also know who owns the mineral rights, interesting concept. Landowners own the water rights, but mineral rights could be segregated from the deal. Might not be anything but it is good to know specifically who owns them.
Idaho is working on taking over all water rights. Fight for your rights before they no longer exist!
He is a great teacher!
Keep the video coming! You have such a knowledge of building and land.
Thor's Mallet just leisurely hanging out on the bench.
That dream could have been a table and chair for morning coffee after your walk up the hill.
WeLL...HOW DEE DOOOO..!!
Just watch this jewel 💎.
i'm gunna have too treasure this one
Wonderful job cramming the good stuff in there. Thanks
There's so many different ways to get water. I've been living off grid for 6 months now, still looking for that piece of property in Montana. I've been trucking my water in. I've set up solar and a secondary battery system in my truck for power. I put a high amp alternator with a smart switch for charging while driving. I can hook up as many batteries as I want to, but I only hook up a couple. I believe water is the single most important thing. Power can be made, several ways. Sewer is even easy to deal with. I'm using an RV tote to transfer in my truck. Dunno into tote go to rv place to dump. Once a week, water and dump.
Love your classes Pat! Nice video
Very good video. Pat your voice give me peace and selfconfidence to start with my own projects. Best regards from France
These videos are gold. I'm pleased.
Dude you are a genius. This is gold.
Great stuff guys... Really love what you're doing!
Just pure excellent information! Thank you guys for sharing.
Great , well explained videos! Thank you and keep up the good work
Brilliance on display. Thank you!
Wow! You opened my eyes.
Wow so much knowledge thank you Sir!
Keep the videos coming.
A few years ago I bought a 5 acre parcel in Northern Arizona. The power company will run a line up to 750 feet from the nearest transformer to your house at no cost. My house is 100 feet back and the hook-up was free...I just had to pay for the meter.
Always learn something worthwhile from your channel, mahalo
Thanks for all your advise.
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I will be taking online classes this summer! I'm excited. I want to have the experience of building my own home. New subscriber!
Very great full for your teachings
Dan from Alaska
This is great advice. So helpful.
Alright UA-cam, enough is enough. We need a "Two Thumbs Up" Button!
Great job as always, now looking into the online courses.
@Bob Smithereens Consider one of your bone broken
Think also about how the land fits your soul. Do you want a drop dead view, water frontage, good farming layout, or a deep and gloomy forest, etc. About the time Shelter Institute was getting its legs in Bath I bought a "drop dead view +/- 5 acres" in Lincoln County. Down side was a super deep well, a super expensive septic system and no road. But the view and ambiance of the lot were to die for. I built a house, got started on the gardening, and... my lifestyle ally, friend and wife up and left. So when embarking on this adventure of land purchase and homebuilding "for life" do a careful evaluation of who your friends, allies and partners really are.
Wow man. Sorry to read that.
Good luck to you.
Women always leave. They are searching for the bigger, better deal. That shouldn't surprise you..
At least you still have the beautiful land.
This was great info! That's why a lot of people choose to go off grid. They use rain water catchment systems, streams and other water features for their water, and humanuer composting systems.
According to Brooke from The Girl In The Woods channel, Access to the property and observing the seasons of that property, is always going to be the first challenge, unless you find a property already established. Not her exact words but what I got from it. I literally just finished watching her and her husband talk about this. It must be true because it's one of the first things I look at (access points) when searching listings.
He forgot Taxes and Neighbors,,,BOTH will kill your ability to live a good life.
I bought an old 10k sq ft hotel on half a city block in an industrial area. I surrounded it with a 7' sight barrier fence. No kids around. Most of the area empties out after 5pm and the closest neighbor runs a 24 hour warehouse with trucks in and out most of the night. The noise doesn't bother me. There is always someone around to watch the property 24/7.
Loud vehicles why the damned loud vehicles?
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Hlavně co nejdál od nich :D
great video and insight ,building my own place and wood have wished i took your course
Thank you, very useful.
Amazing thank you
will keep in mind sentimemai and bravy in buying my land
I love your video's!
Dont buy land in the winter, you cant tell if your buying a swamp.
Looking at the plants can give you a clue - but yeah, the snow hides everything.
On the other hand, that is when you can get good deals, when others aren’t willing to make the trip.
There are advantages to walking and looking at land in the winter. Here in WV, the land is very ‘mountainous’, often covered in hard woods. The winter months allow you to see much more of the topography, which can help you in vision building sites.
Thank you!
Amazing. I've been a well driller for almost 2 years and can tell you I'd hate to buy certain land and try to drill. You'd expect 800' for 15 gallons/minute 30 minutes from where I live
Good advice.
Have you considered offering your design build course online? I would sign up in a heartbeat.
Nate, their courses are available online now. I subscribed this past winter and thoroughly enjoy them. Watch at you own pace and review as frequently as you’d like. We purchased 40 acres on Iron Mountain Road near Mount Rushmore and are having a post & beam home built. I unfortunately do not have the time to take it on myself. However I purchased a small sawmill and plan to make good use of the course materials on smaller projects on the property during retirement.
thanks for the video
great video thank you
The main thing when buying a property is can you build a world class motocross track on it, would you be able to host a outdoor national? These considerations should be looked into before purchasing any 250 or Open Class monster machine.
Judging by his handwriting this guy is definitely a doctor
Scandinavian ancestors prob
I had the same thought 🤣
Loving the new content. Couldn’t be a better time. The scamdemic has made most of us think about getting back to a better future. I’ve got my sawmill headed to the new land today!
Your tune will change if you find yourself lying in a hospital bed gasping for air.
@@kwhatten wrong. I am a young healthy person. The survival rate for my particular risk factors are above 99.98%.
I’m not so foolish to base my opinions off of a personal bad experience. People also suffer severe complications from the flue, shall we shut down the world over that? Long story short, get bent internet stranger!
I too am a strong healthy male. Got the virus in October and almost killed me. Still dealing with side effects 5 months later. I was like you and then I got it.... now I know better. It is very real. That said.... I do believe the government is using it for nefarious purposes.
@@jphickory522 I’ve never said it wasn’t a serious illness. I was in contact with a positive case, I have never felt so sick. I couldn’t breath well, passed out more than once. All my children were also sick, one had a fever induced seizure. You also stated government is using this for nefarious purposes, so what about my comment do you disagree with? Should we base all decisions based on worst case? The guy I was in contact with died from Covid. Shall we shut down the world over extreme cases of flu? Funny thing is, most old people would rather die in the company of loved ones rather than wither away alone because of risk of death.
@@mrplow3874 Calling it a "scamdemic" is insensitive to the many people that have lost a loved one or are battling ongoing serious side effects from having had the virus.
Very good video. I was a Town Engineer for 12 years. I saw it several times where the property wasn't as described in the deed. The surveyor had botched the survey and people had their homes partly on their neighbors land. It was expensive for all parties concerned. Fortunately, I hadn't been tasked with reviewing those subdivisions. Title insurance may help but, I usually do a title search as far as records go back. Usually 250+ years. Tis is on land that I am considering buying. Good Luck, Rick
I like this guy
Very smart
Can you consider tackling the topic of obtaining and holding your land or Homestead in Whitestone is “allodial title”?.
Thank you.
The knowledge you share with your viewers (and others like you) are what keep youtube from becoming the cesspool of cringe content the tiktok generation is inspiring. Thank you for your time and valuable information.
Edited for third grade grammatical errors.
Thank you Sir : - )
I got terrible neighbors on my 50 acres, but the best of the best neighbors on my house lots
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Should have talked about zoning and other restrictions. This is a main consideration when buying. Nothing worse than buying land and finding out you cant build on it because it is environmentally protected land or designated wetland or just restricted by the municipality, county or other agency.
I love him
I have often looked at property and thought "I couldn't afford the driveway."
Great video. I didn't know septic was supposed to be higher up, I thought it was the exact opposite and have lived in two places where that's how it was. Unless I'm confused and a "drain field" is somehow different than septic.
Placement of your septic comes down to two major factors, distance from your neighbors well and your well. and of course the pump truck needs access. Up or down hill doesn't apply to placement as he said you can transfer your waste with a pump. Your filed however needs to be downhill from your holding tank for natural drainage. And of course there are covents and codes.
Nice! Useful! Again! I'm a big fan of good, well placed springs. I'm afraid the US is so bound by regulatory folks it's impossible to finance a springwater home.
They'll finance big water moving upstream to harvest that source but not you.
You are to be the dust cougher begging Immortan Joe to pull the water chain.
I am very curious how to finish timber homes with electrical conduit and plumbing when there aren't a lot of studs in the walls.
Can you please film the 4 hour version and upload it for purchase. I’m in Australia and would love to access your knowledge.
Can you make a video about Shou Sugi Ban...burning the outside of the timber to seal it?
Water hookup from neighbor, solar power and small generator 1/2 8 hours, internet firewood forest do it yourself house and barn from home milled wood, very koch indeed! No debt.
About the dream property that is very steep, you don’t need to have the garage right next to the house. One could just leave the garage at the bottom of the lot and have a short walk to the house that would save lots of money on driveway and your dream is intact. Ultimately every size is just like a puzzle, the question is this is the ultimate picture something you like.
That'll work until you need to carry groceries.
@@greenghost6416 A couple steps up to the house doesn’t need to be that bad necessarily. ultimately it does depend on the site and yes it’s a minor inconvenience but if you love the site it doesn’t have to be a dealbreaker that’s that’s the point. Usually a more challenging site just demands a bit more creativity I know there was a particular site where someone parked at the bottom and took an ATV to the top because it was too steep to drive result was that they had some of the most spectacular views of any place I’ve ever seen. And the price of the property was significantly lower than any other lot in the same area.
@@greenghost6416 especially during the winter, I’ve worked on houses with steep driveways,,,, yyyyyyea no thx.
@@geneticdisorder1900 I made it through my first real winter. Having the attached garage makes everything so much easier.
@@kftc1980 Did you put raidiant heat in the floor, it works great in garages. Just don’t leave the door open to long, lol.
Hi All, He mentioned population density. The different states have different amounts of land owned by the government. You want to know what the density per square mile of private land, not total land.
A lot of Maine is owned by the government, so the population density on land you can own is higher then the raw numbers indicate.
Thanks for your time, take care.
94.3% of land in Maine is privately owned; 93.7% of Massachusetts is privately owned. His comparison was really good. Your point, on the other hand, is way off the mark.
Source: www.summitpost.org/public-and-private-land-percentages-by-us-states/186111
What about supplying your own power via solar?
is that something your local government or power company will approved on?
I'm in British Columbia. Need 2 new poles to upgrade my service. Coming up a hundred foot bank. Our supplier is estimating $30k.
At that price you could look at solar with large capacity battery storage even that far north
The smartest men during the depression were farmers.
I am currently doing a deal on a 600,000 sq. ft. industrial building. The site had to be level which required 3,600 “shots” of explosives to remove the rock due to grade. Leveling a site is just one of the costs in the construction process. In the overall scheme of things, benefits of “Location”, “Utilities”, “Labor” and such outweighed the higher initial costs for many commercial developments.
Be well.
Been wanting to buy land and build on it in the uk but just seems increasingly more and more difficult with 67,000,000 people in such a small area. Maybe I’ll move to Maine one day...
How can I take the 100 hour course? It’s not on the website.
Speaker spent $18k to put in a mile of utility electric line... would have been the time to consider batteries and a P.V. in a temperate (batteries are not viable in colder than zone 5 or 6, IMHO, unless stored in a controlled, insulated area at 50-80 degrees). My system cost $20k and for the 1st 3 years, we are paying nothing for 1 car's fuel, and A/C and heat/all power and it is paying off quickly, as opposed to paying $18k and then paying for power every day/month/year/forever. Sunk cost is real.
It's so fun to look at options and properties with friends who are looking. Read lots. Talk to younger and older builders. Look into green building, but be aware any building, is not green, only relatively green, at best. Use proven materials and techniques. New is untested and there have been lots, and lots, and lots of new building products that have gone away. Look at plumbing products that have been tried and failed and are no longer used. Or roofing.
Very good info. I will say with small scale solar and wind power generation, I’d imagine being close to transmission lines matters less these days, just go off grid? With efficient appliances and LED light bulbs, you can go way further with much less power these days...
Where is anyone getting away with charging $50 a sq ft for a driveway? I built a pole barn in the corner of my back yard, I leveled the space for a (10' x ) 40' driveway, ( when I built this, 12 years ago, parents were RV'ers, so they needed a seasonal parking spot). So, 400 sq ft driveway, the company wanted $1200 for a double layer of asphalt. However, when the crew arrived, they asked if I would always be parking and driving on this driveway, ( I have 3 others) I said no, they suggested just one layer and only $800. It has held up perfectly, they did a great job sloping the rain off at the right spot, and not into the barn. Even if we had 500% inflation, that would still only be $10 per sq ft.
Linear feet instead of square feet?
If you don’t know where the boundaries are maybe that nice flat spot is on the neighbor’s property.
Materials have doubled if not tripled in price lately. Hopefully we'll see them drop back down soon. However, i think it will be awhile if ever that we'll see that again.
So true! We built a house in 2017 on land that we bought. It would probably be double or triple the price to build now and we wouldn't be able to afford it. So glad we built when we did!
@@ReeceS6419 Happy for you! Hope all is well! Godbless
Check out Uneducated Economist on UA-cam . He works in the lumber industry, and thinks costs will come down once the lumber supply chain is working again. He thinks it has nothing to do with inflation, as many other building materials have not skyrocketed like lumber.
@@kftc1980 As a natural skeptic, I'm wondering if the recent high cost of lumber was done intentionally by the elites or environmentalists to discourage people from establishing new homesteads in rural areas. I have heard there have been fires at several lumber mills--some of them suspicious--which reduces the supply of lumber and results in higher prices.
@@ILGuy2012 I don’t think they are concerned about such people, actual homesteaders are a drop in the bucket. With softer and softer generations, that battle is being lost. Most people want an easy life, and “they” know that. I think “they” are content with controlling 99% of the people, and letting the other 1% do what they want up to a point, as long as they stay out of the way and don’t threaten the power of the elites in any way.
Then again, they may not be able to help themselves, and have an evil desire to dominate everyone. It can be challenging to see things that way.
Either way, it looks like China will be taking over at some point as we exit stage left.
50 acres yarmouth co nova scotia lakefront, make an offer
so is the course 4 hrs long, or 100 hrs long?
Lifetime!
@@nicholasoppenheimer3647 Lifetime and 1 day.
You get power from telephone poles?
"$50 a foot to build a driveway" What kind? Gravel? Asphalt? Concrete? What width? 8'? 10'? 12'?
Haha. I thought the same thing the first time I heard a yard of mulch. Clearly all 3 dimensions are defined, you just aren't in the lingo yet.
@@IFearlessINinja I work in construction. He didn’t define his dimensions. There is no such thing as a standard width or material for a driveway.
Buying property takes money and energy. Don't buy property if your the least bit lazy because it's far more work than you can ever imagine. And be prepared to buy equipment. You might need a tractor with a loader, or a skid steer, or a zero turn mower, or a truck or in my case all of them.
Also, never get emotional when making major purchases or you will make a decision you will later regret. If you still want property and no one can talk you out of it, then buy it and make it beautiful.
It's also VERY challenging to build your own home
I guess that depends on what you mean by home. Off grid cabin? Not that complicated. Modern home in a place with building codes and restrictions, sure. I’d rather buy a fixer and fix it up.
never buy land without a building on it. That proves you "can" build a house on it. Then you can turn the old house into anything (a big chicken coop) and then build your real house. I fought the county for 20 years and never got permission to build as there was no precedent. A waste of life. Now I am old and my life is almost over.
I’m sorry to hear that. Maybe this helps comfort. 1 Peter 1:24-25
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever.
If there is a life after this one I would love to live in a little village with cottages. That would be all the heaven I could imagine. I never got my Operators Manual of Life when I was born. Without that everything was trial and error. What was easy for almost everyone was difficult for me seems like. If there is another life perhaps it will be better. ☹️
@@guysview
Rest assured, it WILL BE.
Hell is on Earth as the devil controls the air waves...but not for much longer, so keep the Faith!
GOD BLESS
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I never knew telephone poles can power a house... The more you know 🌈
Telephone wires have about 50 volts - few people know that.
@@paulsawczyc5019 Yep...after a hurricane some people used to charge their cell phones on those lines.
I think what he meant to say was power line poles.
@@paulsawczyc5019 don't start I work for a power company. 50 volts isn't going to power Jack in your house
@@ILGuy2012 I know it's an obvious joke of his gaffe. You people are such Debbie Downers 😂
make sure it is close to or more than 350 Meters above existing ocean levels, otherwise by 2100 you will likely be submerged!
WELL & WATER AVAILABILITY trumps the rest. Without water you can't do anything. Water availability means AQUIFER! You need to know what the aquifer is like.
Great stuff, but who was so board that they gave you a thumbs down?
See half the pointless comments. I gather these people are pissed off as they realize they bought the wrong piece of land (or can’t afford to do what they wanted to do with it), and respond by complaining about his handwriting and other crap.
@@kftc1980 Agreed. People wonder why their life has slipped away from them, becoming bitter and judgmental. Perhaps they should try to emulate passion, sympathy, and focus on what's right instead of what's wrong.
You can build on any piece of land if you are Jeff Bezos.
I have a bald head and a wanky eye. Does that help?
Step #1 is get on google maps and verify you don't have trashy neighbors with garbage in their yard.