Paradox Box Most of the time you never see them again because you can't. Normally at least. Anyone remember that women that made a battery with a high capacity but small volume? Where did that go? Into the newest phones out there. Now is it directly from her? No lol someone else in a big company figured it out and she was likely credited for it but pushed to the side when it came to us. Something like this we won't see again for years (like a decade or so) so don't worry, we'll get there.
or they could decide the innovation isn't worth their time just yet, buy up the rights to it for millions or billions and then never develop it because its so much easier to get oil from the ground (which we know it isn't, but they're lazy, why upset the status quo?)
"Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value." -R. Buckminster Fuller
Pyrolysis, a process that's been around for hundreds of years, can already turn not just plastic, but also plant, animal and municipal waste into fuel, and a quick search on UA-cam will show many people doing this for themselves, but for some strange reason there are many laws and regulations getting in the way of doing it on an industrial scale... :)
This is great news! This means that next time my neighbor catches me shoving plastic bags into the gas tank of his noisy diesel truck I can just show him this video.
Master Therion a filipino inventor did this way back 2012, here's the link gotecotech.com/turn-plastic-into-gasoline-diesel-kerosene/ Of course the big oil companys would not allow this to be popularize because you know, they will loose alot of money
so what happened to it? it sounds good for turning plastic into fuel according to that linked article anyways but why hasn't it gotten any traction in the USA or even a mention on DNews?
I'm hoping that landfills will eventually be the next energy gold mine. I see it as a little nest egg that just needs time before it can become a practical energy source. Landfills contain all kinds of plastics which we can eventually convert (if this technology is true), has general materials that we can just incinerate, and can generate methane gas. We just need to be aware and responsible for air pollution and possible climate change effects as a consequence if we were to tap into landfills.
Methane reclamation from landfill already being done on big scale in Spain (good Al Jazeera YT vid on this), and in UK we're starting to dig-up old landfills for fuel, and turning plastics into Carbon Black material for use in construction :) Needs more effort on bigger scale though - governments don't seem to be helping :(
Jamie Hood carbon and hydrogen is what diesel, propane, gas for cars, and such is made out of, so that means it's no different than driving your truck around without the plastic diesel, it will still make the same pollution.
Boggy Bolt ur right about this but if u look at how much car and trucks contribute to pollution its basically nothing compared to other shit and if anything it's probably better we do this cause the landfills are causing bigger problems
@@whitegrizzly4285 because it has been patented by the inventor and used it for his own fortune if you want to see the video just search plastic to fuel philippines.
@@azizaharul8734 eh amp. Namang imbentor yan.. Sana Hindi nalang nya inihayag sa Mundo imbensyon nya Kung ayaw ishare ibenta sa govnt, @ SA kanya Lang Yan.. ano sya pasikat, o Kaya baka gusto Lang nya na bilhin Ng mga big companies imbensyon nya.. Kaya di umaahon ang pinas eh dahil sa mga ganyang tao. Nakaimbento, binobroadcast sa mundo.. nasaan ba pagkamakapilipino nito? Sa pitaka nya. O baka kasi lang control Ng oil companies Yung mga nasa taas.
Actually the catalyst is iron oxide or cobalt oxide, that is the catalyst is rust. The process has been known since the 1920's and is actually a key component in modern day refineries. It's called the Fischer Tropsch reaction and gasification, it's also how plastic bags are made from natural gas. Sandia Labs did the process with CO2 and water as the source materials (The Sandia Labs Sunlight to Petrol project). It's just always more profitable to start with crude oil just as it's easier for someone to spend their inheritance instead of working for a living. It's just sad that so many people automatically chalk this hundred year old technology that's actually used in our refineries as being so impossible that it would require the fictitious philosopher's stone...
+FrozenEternity The popularity of recycling bins has depressed the market for recyclables to the point where most recyclables collected in the bins are actually sent to the land fill anyways once the recycling company's store rooms are full. If you really want to encourage recycling you need to promote products made with recycled materials. If the demand for products made with recycled materials is high enough, the trash disposal companies would pick them out of the trash for us.
John Wang I do in my home. I try to even choose package free products. At work it's different. As for it going to landfills, what I collect doesn't. Every 2-4 weeks I take it all straight to the recycle center
FrozenEternity That's what I'm saying, what's going to the recycling centers isn't necessarily recycled, the market for recyclables is glutted and when the recycling companies run out of storage space, they dispose of the recyclables in the landfill so you may be taking them to the recycling center but they're still likely to go to the landfill simply because of the market for recyclables. If you do wish to make a difference, influencing consumer choices of products purchased would make a bigger difference then taking recyclables to the recycling center no matter how diligent you are at it.
John Wang I am 99% sure I don't live in your country and probably don't have the same situation with recycle centres as you - I have never heard of them not being able to recycle the listed products or not having enough space for them. They even pay for street collectors (trolley men) here to go out and collect the recyclables from peoples trash (they don't allow them into my area though). I doubt there would be so many of these collectors if they were not being paid and I doubt the centres would pay them if they could not process what they collect. That being said I do agree with your point. I absolutely hate getting a teeny-tiny item inside a fortress of plastic. Or getting an item from a shop and seeing that the plastic is non-recyclable.
FrozenEternity Well, I've lived in the US and Canada and spent a lot of time in Brazil, Sweden, England and Saudi Arabia. Certainly not the entire world but I can safely say that despite your conscious diligence, not all of your collected recyclables are recycled as you think they are and are most likely going to the landfill. Just check your recycling centers policies, why do you think they only want type 1 and type 2 plastics? Better yet, play kid reporter and visit their site to see how they sort the material and ask them about the market for recyclables, how glass is not as profitable as it used to be, how newsprint prices have been dropping as people forgo newspaper subscriptions. Yes, some places are better at recycling then others, the recyclers in Houston were actually quite good taking a wide variety of items whereas the recyclers in Calgary only wanted beverage containers because there are deposit laws hence they got a lot more profit by redeeming the containers for the deposits. In Houston, they would take pressurized cans for the steel but Calgary's city recyclers would not indicating they didn't have the equipment to first depressurize them safely nor did the steel bring the same profit as deposits. Ultimately, the recycling collection model depends on the market for recyclables so it isn't the fact that we toss things into a recycling bin that drives recycling but whether or not we buy products made from recycling. Oh, Sweden is really good with composts however Calgary is starting to do compost simply as a means to reduce garbage pickup schedules while increasing fees, compost is really backhanded, why should I pay to have the city pick up something that I already use for my garden?
If you guys edited in the numbers onscreen so that we could see and hear them to better absorb the information, it would be worth giving the up the vaguely related stock images you show instead. Thank you.
does your touch run on diesel fuel? most consumer fire products are ran off of natural gas, kerosene, or gasoline this in part is due to how diesel works to generate energy or even fire
My family has recycled everything plastic, metal and glass.... I have been doing it since I was 5 and now I go so far as to cut out the plastic lips from cardboard drink containers xD It does indeed kill me inside when someone, especially someone visiting my home throws recyclables away.
+Big Bad Boss And yet, you'll notice how many of the recycling companies only want type 1 and type 2 plastics and are even reluctant to take glass. The popularity of recycling has flooded the market, the recycling companies store the recyclables till they can find a price they can live with but when their storage overflows, they simply dispose of the recyclables in the land fill. Your dedication to recycling has been becoming less effective because of this. If you really want to promote recycling, you would focus on consuming and encouraging the consumption of products made from recycled materials. If there is enough of a market for products made from recycled materials, then the trash companies themselves would strip those plastic lips from the containers. It's quite likely that those plastic lips you are dutifully stripping out are in fact going straight to the land fill anyways.
It makes me die a little every time I see people throw away recyclable materials. I don't have a recycling bin, my town has these giant recycling areas where you can put plastic cardboard and glass into them. I try my hardest to recycle everything I can
he will most likely point out how it breaks the conservation of energy physics law but if we can then it is no longer a law of physics what i want to know is how much energy does it take to convert plastic into fuel? if plastic is a better source for fuel than oil because of less refining needed or just as much needed with a reusable catalyst then i am all for it but still unsure what they mean by " reusable catalyst " how many times can you reuse it? as at some point you do have to put in more energy to be able to expand energy or does it take the excess energy from the conversion process to recharge itself? IF it takes the excess energy to recharge itself then it does not have a very efficient means to convert from plastic to diesel fuel or plastic to bio fuel but as said in the video above it is using something that we did not have to transport over to the ocean to get as plastics have oil inside them to begin with so refining the oil out of them makes sense but how much energy do you need to use to get the plastic to release that amount of fuel? and is it worth it? does it burn a dirtier fuel product or just as much bad stuff to the atmosphere as the normal diesel and bio fuels? 3 very important questions which most likely will be the guiding force behind how this way of recycling goes
Well... the thing is, it still needs refinement and all that, but there is already enough refined plastic sitting in landfills that, if we do not do anything about, will seriously mess up shit.
It's when someone says I don't recycle and then refuses to use the general rubbish bin. Or the people who get in the way of recycling, energy saving ect.
My city has a recycling program that just doubles the cost of waste management. We don't have a plastic recycling center that can actually process the material, so we have two trucks that pick up different bins and they take them both to the same landfill where they are not even separated into different piles. It is, of course, illegal to put plastic in the brown bin and garbage in the blue bin. But hey, people can feel good about recycling.
Once I saw a guy crumple a piece of paper then stared at the recycling station for a whole 2 minutes, then gave up and threw the paper in the garbage. I think he was confused since the paper no longer fitted into the slot after he crumpled it up.
I know a person from UK who commercially make such machines. This machine can turn not plastic into fuel, but also waste tyre, coal and almost anything having hydrocarbon inside it. He has huge amount of order from US and China.
the part of none of the catalyst being used sounds unreal as is it that the catalyst just returns itself to the original state at the end and if so is it an efficient catalyst to use as it will take some of the energy used away to reform back into itself again
Gasification and distillation works for not only plastic but wood and agricultural waste as well. A lumber mill near me is shipping out oil that was made from sawdust and other wood waste. This is merely a refinery that can process wood and plastic rather then crude oil. It is very very old technology
What I dislike is that where we live, trash companies don't want you to put some recyclable in with zero sort recyclables like vegetable cans and any plastic in bag form.
i throw so much recyclable stuff into the trash its insane. Town refuses to collect where i live. Ive tried saving up cardboard and stuff for when i know i will be going somewhere that i can recycle it all but its pretty lame having bags of trash laying around so ive resorted to just tossing it all which makes me feel crappy
@DNews the rental agency that manages my apartment building for some stupid reason has private garbage disposal. and because not enough of their tenants were interested, we don't get recycling pickup. We do however have our recycling sorted out, and when the weather on the town's pickup date is good (right now everything's covered in snow and making a terrible mess) we bring it out and put it with the neighbor's recycling.
it's about flipping time. I did a presentation on Hydrous Thermal Depolymerization in 5th grade 12 years ago. It's about time people are willing to use it, now that it makes money.
My city's council installed recycling bins next to all regular bins around the city, a few years ago, with the regular bins labelled "general waste". After a petition from a local environmental group, based on some interesting research, they're now changing those labels to say "landfill", because that'll make people more likely to actually use the recycling bins ☺ I'm the kind of person who'll pick up say an empty bottle someone's just dumped on the floor and carry it until I pass a recycling bin, so I got pretty excited when I heard about that plan and started seeing the labels change 😁 xox
Creating plastic and plastic bags uses much energy, if I remember correctly, a plastic VCR tape took the equal amount of about two gallons of gasoline to create.
In the 1940s, I don't think my parents knew how to recycle anything but "tin" cans but that's what we did. We cut the ends out, put them "inside" the can and stomped on them to flatten them. Dad saved them in bags to take to recycle. Eleven months ago, my wife and I moved to a state where neither of us had ever lived before. I, of course, wanted to recycle whatever we could. So far, we have found a place to recycle "tin" cans and plastic and another place that will "redeem" aluminum soft drink cans (the grocery store doesn't). Nobody in the city offices knows where to recycle flashlight batteries but the thing that "bothers" me is that there doesn't seem to be so much as a hint that anybody in city government gives a hoot. Any suggestions?
We just need to remember it's not free fuel. It was unrefined fuel that got made into plastic and then some of it got converted back into fuel. it is better to make less of it into plastic in the first place and then recycle all plastic indefinitely.
Sweden has been doing this for years, Infact Sweden has had to import plastics from other Scandinavian counties just so they can power their country, funny how they don't have enough plastic there.
Facts! An adult isn't an adult if they can't take two or three extra steps to make sure their grandchildren have a non-apocalyptic Earth to call home. They make me so angry!
It drives me crazy when people throw recycle in the trash!! My in-laws do that so whenever they come to my house I have a large sign that says RECYCLE over my recycle bin haha!
And yet, I have never brought my own bag to a store yet, and I have used thousands of those super thick re-usable bags. Nobody I know brings their bags in. And the new type use a lot more plastic, which I just burn in my wood stove.
They know how to do it, but not in a energy efficient way. That is to say, more energy is used to operate the transformation than what it yields in fuel. Thats why there is much research.
Older than that. When plastic was first invented chemists understood that petroleum made plastics and those hydrocarbon chains can be broken back down with heat.
Not sure why they are saying this is new. Catalyzing plastic into fuel via pyrolysis has been around for decades. The problem is the process is not cost efficient at all and it requires clean feed stock -- something you don't get with old discarded plastics.
I'm glad what you mentioned at the end. Yes this is a good thing, but it's not a solution. Diesel still burns dirty in most of the vehicles that uses it. And while diesel can be broken into gasoline, that's another step and more cost.
Here in Canada, we got recycling bins the size of like 1.5 barrels drums, my family always fills it up. On the other hand, the garbage bin of same size usually fills up less than 20%. I'm proud of my family and country. My city is rolling out organic waste collection program in January. People still complain about fukin taxes they have to pay for living in such a wonderful (you know them fukin conservatives. Conserve everything except the environment and a healthy society)
Your country is a dump, and only unemployed weebs like you don’t care about taxes, because you don’t pay them. Just stay out of my Country, and I’ll make sure to send some black freedom smoke your way, sissy.
Is this process in question, by any chance, called Thermal Depolymerization? The tech has been around for a little while, from what I understand. It is said that it does well with mixed waste streams, using heat and pressure to convert anything with carbon-hydrogen chains into some kind of oil that can be fractionated into fuels. The byproducts include distilled water, minerals, and metals.
If companies were able to cheaply skim the plastic out of the great pacific garbage patch, this would put a reasonable bit of value to that low-grade plastic. It doesn't help the CO2 cycle, but it helps us minimize a pollution problem that's a lot worse. The problem is the size of those plastic particles.
first things first: Scientists have been able make diesel from plastic for a long time using a gasification process followed by the Fischer-Tropsch process. The only thing that stopped them from actually doing it was mainly that it was more expensive than using fossil fuel. So what you really should have said is that there now is a different way to do it. And reusing the catalyst is kind of the point of a catalyst, if you cant use it multiple times, it's by definition not a catalyst.... Because I study chemical engineering I had to do a project where we had to research sustainable processes and fuels. My project was actually on using the process i described above. But with discussing stuff with other people from my study, everyone pretty much agrees that the solution for the future will be using fast growing plants with the above process (which is not the same as biodiesel, keep that in mind). That would make for a carbon neutral process, if all the other energy would be taken from other "clean" sources.
It makes me annoyed when people throw recyclables in the trash ONLY when there's the big ass blue bin for recycling right next to the trash. but I understand if the blue bin isn't there that they trash it. I would trash it too, I'm not gonna hold on to everything until I see a blue bin thats just too much
Even if it is converted into petrol but plastic when burnt ,it turns into liquid later when it cools down the substance becomes hard.....so scientists please explain...
I hate when people don't recycle or when they throw their trash on the ground. We all have to be responsible for our things so always dispose of your trash/waste into its appropriate bin, trash can, and/or recyclable can.
An ethanol plant in my area is next to a land fill that produces methane that the ethanol plant uses to run the plant. Landfills really aren't the bane they are made out to be. Some good does come from them if put to use. Oh, I throw away "recyclables" everyday.
The big question is do you get more energy out of the plastic than it took to turn it into diesel? If the answer is no then it is a waste of time and energy and the energy it took to turn plastic into diesel will create more pollution than it cleans up.
wait a minute. in 2003 changing world industries a subsidery of ckn agra developed thermal depolyerization and there was even a mkcrowave machine called the tomahawk 10 that did the same that broke doen all hydrocarbon chains and was a net positive process. not only could this be used for dangerous biowaste but also to remove contaminants from fossil fuel and coal. what I wanna know is why these plants arent at every landfill and water treatment center ? we could even go a step further and burn these oils at the plants and create electricity directly or hydrogen for transportation and as a commuter fuel. umm, what am I missing ?
We've been recycling metals for decades, no reason our landfills should have any metal, plastics, paper or any plant matter, we could recycle most of garbage we discard!
We hear just once about these amazing innovations, only to never hear about them again. Reminds me of a 1970's television series called 'Tomorrow's World' which each week showcased innovations, which were never seen again. What, I wonder, was the catalyst used to convert the plastic?
There is an existing proces called pyrolysis, which uses heat to produce diesel from plastics. The cool thing is, once you get the reactor chamber up to temperature, you can use one of the byproducts of the reaction to supply fuel to run the process. If done well, the result is highly pure diesel fuel and some char. The char is reportedly able to be sold and used in multiple industries. I believe the process is compatible with 4 different grades of plastic. The machine uses electrical power, but this could be obtained via diesel generators running on the very fuel the machine produces. I believe the resulting output of most of these machines is about 1 liter of diesel per 1.5kg of plastic. One example: bestonpyrolysisplant.com/waste-plastic-pyrolysis-plant/
MATERIALS AND METHODS A 10-ml thick-wall Kontes flask was charged with iridium complex (4.2 μmol), n-octane (2.5 or 4.0 ml), 5 wt % Re2O7/Al2O3 (546 mg), PE (120 mg), and mesitylene (20 μl) as an internal standard. The flask was sealed with a Teflon plug and then heated at 175°C for 4 days. After that, an aliquot was removed from the flask and analyzed by GC. The distributions of soluble products were calculated for each aliquot. The residual solution was filtered at 160°C and washed with n-octane. The filtrates were combined and cooled to room temperature. The wax products precipitated from the solution and were separated by centrifugation. The detailed methods and characterization are available in the Supplementary Materials. *note the temperature and the time required to achieve this*
I can't believe only 9% of plastics are recycled in the US! I recycle pretty much all plastic that I use from bottles to bags. I can't stand when people don't recycle especially when there is a recycling receptacle available.
this is old news. an irish company invented and now have the plastic to fuel rights in europe and the uk. they heat the plastic in a pressure cooker the gas escapes and cools in a tube to a liquid, like distilling alcohol.
THIS IS SO AWESOME! to get this out of the way - i don't like petrol (diesel, ik) but this is so feckn awesome!!! People need to appreciate science and it's awesome tools, breakthroughs etc. WAAAYY more! Awesome, guys keep going!
In this topic my opinions is if we use plastic for making road, plastic can degrade very fast. The ratio (tar & plastic) should be 9:1 then road mentaince would be very less.
Thats so cool, with the motivation of making money from recycling every single bit of plastic there will be thousand of companies and humans to collect plastic waste!! this could save our world!
I think the title should be called "scientist can now turn plastic into fuel" because scientists are the ones that make the science happen, not science itself. Imagine, "hey science, make plastic into fuel" and nothing would happen whereas scientists would.
Why not just burn it in a metal tank and capture the flammable gas then take the leftover waste material and pack them really tightly into barrels so they don't pollute and the flammable gas can be filtered and used for things like cooking heating and other things
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we always hear about these amazing innovations only to never hear about it again.
Paradox Box Most of the time you never see them again because you can't. Normally at least. Anyone remember that women that made a battery with a high capacity but small volume? Where did that go? Into the newest phones out there. Now is it directly from her? No lol someone else in a big company figured it out and she was likely credited for it but pushed to the side when it came to us. Something like this we won't see again for years (like a decade or so) so don't worry, we'll get there.
or they could decide the innovation isn't worth their time just yet, buy up the rights to it for millions or billions and then never develop it because its so much easier to get oil from the ground (which we know it isn't, but they're lazy, why upset the status quo?)
yeah, what happened to those edible mushrooms that degraded plastic?
Why hello, boxy, funny seeing you here.
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"Pollution is nothing but the resources we are not harvesting. We allow them to disperse because we've been ignorant of their value." -R. Buckminster Fuller
bullshit
+Justin Belieber Mmm... someone seems jealous
No it's not, pollution is the act of introducing contaminants into the environment.
It doesn't matter how much value it has, if it contaminants the environment in any way it's a pollutant.
you don't get it, do you?
Pyrolysis, a process that's been around for hundreds of years, can already turn not just plastic, but also plant, animal and municipal waste into fuel, and a quick search on UA-cam will show many people doing this for themselves, but for some strange reason there are many laws and regulations getting in the way of doing it on an industrial scale... :)
This is great news! This means that next time my neighbor catches me shoving plastic bags into the gas tank of his noisy diesel truck I can just show him this video.
that not how it works for either side of the equation
Master Therion a filipino inventor did this way back 2012, here's the link gotecotech.com/turn-plastic-into-gasoline-diesel-kerosene/
Of course the big oil companys would not allow this to be popularize because you know, they will loose alot of money
so what happened to it? it sounds good for turning plastic into fuel according to that linked article anyways but why hasn't it gotten any traction in the USA or even a mention on DNews?
Master Therion why is this funny
**Dials 911 while watching said neighbor suffocate you to death with said plastic bag** Moral of the story: "don't touch other peoples stuff".
I'm hoping that landfills will eventually be the next energy gold mine. I see it as a little nest egg that just needs time before it can become a practical energy source.
Landfills contain all kinds of plastics which we can eventually convert (if this technology is true), has general materials that we can just incinerate, and can generate methane gas. We just need to be aware and responsible for air pollution and possible climate change effects as a consequence if we were to tap into landfills.
Methane reclamation from landfill already being done on big scale in Spain (good Al Jazeera YT vid on this), and in UK we're starting to dig-up old landfills for fuel, and turning plastics into Carbon Black material for use in construction :) Needs more effort on bigger scale though - governments don't seem to be helping :(
Damn, let's turn land pollution into air pollution!
Boggy Bolt trees can remove them better
We keep cutting them down
Jamie Hood carbon and hydrogen is what diesel, propane, gas for cars, and such is made out of, so that means it's no different than driving your truck around without the plastic diesel, it will still make the same pollution.
Boggy Bolt ur right about this but if u look at how much car and trucks contribute to pollution its basically nothing compared to other shit and if anything it's probably better we do this cause the landfills are causing bigger problems
Boggy Bolt and we could eventually turn this into a clean fuel somehow in later years u know?
When I see someone throw away something that is clearly recyclable I die a little inside
Christina Portee only about 9% of what’s “recycled” actually is
That's just gay :/
There already doing this in Philippines. They're turning plastic bags into gasoline, kerosene and diesel.
Then why the Philippine government never supported nor improved the so called tech?
Where?
@@whitegrizzly4285 because it has been patented by the inventor and used it for his own fortune if you want to see the video just search plastic to fuel philippines.
@@whitegrizzly4285 or filipino inventor plastic to fuel
@@azizaharul8734 eh amp. Namang imbentor yan.. Sana Hindi nalang nya inihayag sa Mundo imbensyon nya Kung ayaw ishare ibenta sa govnt, @ SA kanya Lang Yan.. ano sya pasikat, o Kaya baka gusto Lang nya na bilhin Ng mga big companies imbensyon nya.. Kaya di umaahon ang pinas eh dahil sa mga ganyang tao. Nakaimbento, binobroadcast sa mundo.. nasaan ba pagkamakapilipino nito? Sa pitaka nya.
O baka kasi lang control Ng oil companies Yung mga nasa taas.
if only America wanted to create those jobs lol.
America would create those jobs and then send them overseas.
***** Yeah okay lol.
They will probably give those jobs to robots.
Hire me part-time so I can spend some other time going back to school (college).
In South India 1 man produce that technique . But on filtering and refining side it's not that oke .
Bsdk India bol
@@harshmaurya02 bharat*
This catalyst must be a philosopher's stone.
Puddingfuzz carbon stone you mean ;) lol
Actually the catalyst is iron oxide or cobalt oxide, that is the catalyst is rust. The process has been known since the 1920's and is actually a key component in modern day refineries. It's called the Fischer Tropsch reaction and gasification, it's also how plastic bags are made from natural gas. Sandia Labs did the process with CO2 and water as the source materials (The Sandia Labs Sunlight to Petrol project). It's just always more profitable to start with crude oil just as it's easier for someone to spend their inheritance instead of working for a living. It's just sad that so many people automatically chalk this hundred year old technology that's actually used in our refineries as being so impossible that it would require the fictitious philosopher's stone...
Wow that's alot of words...
Puddingfuzz You clearly don't read enough.
I just don't bother typing that much for a you tube comment
I started picking out the recyclables from the general trash bins in the office. Now people know to bring it to one of my recycling bins by my desk :)
+FrozenEternity The popularity of recycling bins has depressed the market for recyclables to the point where most recyclables collected in the bins are actually sent to the land fill anyways once the recycling company's store rooms are full. If you really want to encourage recycling you need to promote products made with recycled materials. If the demand for products made with recycled materials is high enough, the trash disposal companies would pick them out of the trash for us.
John Wang I do in my home. I try to even choose package free products. At work it's different. As for it going to landfills, what I collect doesn't. Every 2-4 weeks I take it all straight to the recycle center
FrozenEternity That's what I'm saying, what's going to the recycling centers isn't necessarily recycled, the market for recyclables is glutted and when the recycling companies run out of storage space, they dispose of the recyclables in the landfill so you may be taking them to the recycling center but they're still likely to go to the landfill simply because of the market for recyclables.
If you do wish to make a difference, influencing consumer choices of products purchased would make a bigger difference then taking recyclables to the recycling center no matter how diligent you are at it.
John Wang I am 99% sure I don't live in your country and probably don't have the same situation with recycle centres as you - I have never heard of them not being able to recycle the listed products or not having enough space for them. They even pay for street collectors (trolley men) here to go out and collect the recyclables from peoples trash (they don't allow them into my area though). I doubt there would be so many of these collectors if they were not being paid and I doubt the centres would pay them if they could not process what they collect.
That being said I do agree with your point. I absolutely hate getting a teeny-tiny item inside a fortress of plastic. Or getting an item from a shop and seeing that the plastic is non-recyclable.
FrozenEternity Well, I've lived in the US and Canada and spent a lot of time in Brazil, Sweden, England and Saudi Arabia. Certainly not the entire world but I can safely say that despite your conscious diligence, not all of your collected recyclables are recycled as you think they are and are most likely going to the landfill. Just check your recycling centers policies, why do you think they only want type 1 and type 2 plastics? Better yet, play kid reporter and visit their site to see how they sort the material and ask them about the market for recyclables, how glass is not as profitable as it used to be, how newsprint prices have been dropping as people forgo newspaper subscriptions. Yes, some places are better at recycling then others, the recyclers in Houston were actually quite good taking a wide variety of items whereas the recyclers in Calgary only wanted beverage containers because there are deposit laws hence they got a lot more profit by redeeming the containers for the deposits. In Houston, they would take pressurized cans for the steel but Calgary's city recyclers would not indicating they didn't have the equipment to first depressurize them safely nor did the steel bring the same profit as deposits. Ultimately, the recycling collection model depends on the market for recyclables so it isn't the fact that we toss things into a recycling bin that drives recycling but whether or not we buy products made from recycling. Oh, Sweden is really good with composts however Calgary is starting to do compost simply as a means to reduce garbage pickup schedules while increasing fees, compost is really backhanded, why should I pay to have the city pick up something that I already use for my garden?
If you guys edited in the numbers onscreen so that we could see and hear them to better absorb the information, it would be worth giving the up the vaguely related stock images you show instead. Thank you.
I work at Allen hancock college as a grounds keeper and I can honestly say without a doubt, at least half the recycles go into the trash.
when your on a boat when a friend and he trows a empty bag of chips in the water..... makes me so mad..
just trow him in the water too and don't allow him back on land until he retrieves the plastic bag.
can it fuel my torch tho
yes
does your touch run on diesel fuel?
most consumer fire products are ran off of natural gas, kerosene, or gasoline this in part is due to how diesel works to generate energy or even fire
+yumri4 butane or propane dumbass
Six Doubleo chill out
In the Philippines they have been doing this for a while now. They turn plastic bags into gasoline, kerosene and diesel.
My family has recycled everything plastic, metal and glass.... I have been doing it since I was 5 and now I go so far as to cut out the plastic lips from cardboard drink containers xD
It does indeed kill me inside when someone, especially someone visiting my home throws recyclables away.
+Big Bad Boss And yet, you'll notice how many of the recycling companies only want type 1 and type 2 plastics and are even reluctant to take glass. The popularity of recycling has flooded the market, the recycling companies store the recyclables till they can find a price they can live with but when their storage overflows, they simply dispose of the recyclables in the land fill. Your dedication to recycling has been becoming less effective because of this. If you really want to promote recycling, you would focus on consuming and encouraging the consumption of products made from recycled materials. If there is enough of a market for products made from recycled materials, then the trash companies themselves would strip those plastic lips from the containers. It's quite likely that those plastic lips you are dutifully stripping out are in fact going straight to the land fill anyways.
Perfect! Right about the time new environmental regulations make it virtually impossible to produce a Diesel engine that can meet its requirements.
It makes me die a little every time I see people throw away recyclable materials. I don't have a recycling bin, my town has these giant recycling areas where you can put plastic cardboard and glass into them. I try my hardest to recycle everything I can
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he will most likely point out how it breaks the conservation of energy physics law but if we can then it is no longer a law of physics
what i want to know is how much energy does it take to convert plastic into fuel?
if plastic is a better source for fuel than oil because of less refining needed or just as much needed with a reusable catalyst then i am all for it but still unsure what they mean by " reusable catalyst " how many times can you reuse it? as at some point you do have to put in more energy to be able to expand energy or does it take the excess energy from the conversion process to recharge itself?
IF it takes the excess energy to recharge itself then it does not have a very efficient means to convert from plastic to diesel fuel or plastic to bio fuel but as said in the video above it is using something that we did not have to transport over to the ocean to get as plastics have oil inside them to begin with so refining the oil out of them makes sense but how much energy do you need to use to get the plastic to release that amount of fuel? and is it worth it? does it burn a dirtier fuel product or just as much bad stuff to the atmosphere as the normal diesel and bio fuels?
3 very important questions which most likely will be the guiding force behind how this way of recycling goes
Well... the thing is, it still needs refinement and all that, but there is already enough refined plastic sitting in landfills that, if we do not do anything about, will seriously mess up shit.
Guys been doing it all around the globe for like 10 years.
Its quite simple chemistry, so no - Thunderf00t wont destroy this one.
Centrifugal filter and some additives. Really simple, actually.
Actually people have been doing this for a while, science is just slow lol
It's when someone says I don't recycle and then refuses to use the general rubbish bin. Or the people who get in the way of recycling, energy saving ect.
Thanks for making us think twice regarding trowing plastic trash, hoping that such invention can be shared to all for better future.
My city has a recycling program that just doubles the cost of waste management. We don't have a plastic recycling center that can actually process the material, so we have two trucks that pick up different bins and they take them both to the same landfill where they are not even separated into different piles. It is, of course, illegal to put plastic in the brown bin and garbage in the blue bin. But hey, people can feel good about recycling.
this is old because i heard of this process exactly somewhere in the Philippines in 2013 where this businessman was going to invest in this tech.
Once I saw a guy crumple a piece of paper then stared at the recycling station for a whole 2 minutes, then gave up and threw the paper in the garbage. I think he was confused since the paper no longer fitted into the slot after he crumpled it up.
I know a person from UK who commercially make such machines. This machine can turn not plastic into fuel, but also waste tyre, coal and almost anything having hydrocarbon inside it. He has huge amount of order from US and China.
I hope they develop this idea
the part of none of the catalyst being used sounds unreal as is it that the catalyst just returns itself to the original state at the end and if so is it an efficient catalyst to use as it will take some of the energy used away to reform back into itself again
Gasification and distillation works for not only plastic but wood and agricultural waste as well. A lumber mill near me is shipping out oil that was made from sawdust and other wood waste.
This is merely a refinery that can process wood and plastic rather then crude oil. It is very very old technology
What I dislike is that where we live, trash companies don't want you to put some recyclable in with zero sort recyclables like vegetable cans and any plastic in bag form.
I have Syntax final exam in 6 hours, the fuq am I watching this..
AsianLovePotato And what may this final involve?
weeb 4 life don't waste his studying time:-(:-(:-(
DaTruePowa 1233 I'm not saying he has to reply Strait away. And hey is is the one wasting time on UA-cam anyway
AsianLovePotato how did it go?
i throw so much recyclable stuff into the trash its insane. Town refuses to collect where i live. Ive tried saving up cardboard and stuff for when i know i will be going somewhere that i can recycle it all but its pretty lame having bags of trash laying around so ive resorted to just tossing it all which makes me feel crappy
@DNews the rental agency that manages my apartment building for some stupid reason has private garbage disposal. and because not enough of their tenants were interested, we don't get recycling pickup.
We do however have our recycling sorted out, and when the weather on the town's pickup date is good (right now everything's covered in snow and making a terrible mess) we bring it out and put it with the neighbor's recycling.
I feel guilty when I throw anything away that is a plastic. I'm always thinking, 'I wish I could find a way to use this.'
Mitch Dunn
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There is a company here in Oregon that does this already. They tell me that once the machine starts up, it's self sustaining.
it's about flipping time. I did a presentation on Hydrous Thermal Depolymerization in 5th grade 12 years ago. It's about time people are willing to use it, now that it makes money.
Omg same Trace! It's the worst when you have to throw a recyclable away too
My city's council installed recycling bins next to all regular bins around the city, a few years ago, with the regular bins labelled "general waste". After a petition from a local environmental group, based on some interesting research, they're now changing those labels to say "landfill", because that'll make people more likely to actually use the recycling bins ☺ I'm the kind of person who'll pick up say an empty bottle someone's just dumped on the floor and carry it until I pass a recycling bin, so I got pretty excited when I heard about that plan and started seeing the labels change 😁 xox
How about the overall cost of using hemp oil over fossil fuel?
Creating plastic and plastic bags uses much energy, if I remember correctly, a plastic VCR tape took the equal amount of about two gallons of gasoline to create.
In the 1940s, I don't think my parents knew how to recycle anything but "tin" cans but that's what we did. We cut the ends out, put them "inside" the can and stomped on them to flatten them. Dad saved them in bags to take to recycle.
Eleven months ago, my wife and I moved to a state where neither of us had ever lived before. I, of course, wanted to recycle whatever we could. So far, we have found a place to recycle "tin" cans and plastic and another place that will "redeem" aluminum soft drink cans (the grocery store doesn't). Nobody in the city offices knows where to recycle flashlight batteries but the thing that "bothers" me is that there doesn't seem to be so much as a hint that anybody in city government gives a hoot.
Any suggestions?
Now my mom finally has a use for all those bags she keeps.
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We just need to remember it's not free fuel. It was unrefined fuel that got made into plastic and then some of it got converted back into fuel. it is better to make less of it into plastic in the first place and then recycle all plastic indefinitely.
I work at a thrift shop where we get lots of boxes and cardboard all the time yet we don't recycle it we only recycle mettle:(
Sweden has been doing this for years, Infact Sweden has had to import plastics from other Scandinavian counties just so they can power their country, funny how they don't have enough plastic there.
Facts! An adult isn't an adult if they can't take two or three extra steps to make sure their grandchildren have a non-apocalyptic Earth to call home. They make me so angry!
It drives me crazy when people throw recycle in the trash!! My in-laws do that so whenever they come to my house I have a large sign that says RECYCLE over my recycle bin haha!
Makes sense why we Californians have a plastic bag ban now.
And yet, I have never brought my own bag to a store yet, and I have used thousands of those super thick re-usable bags. Nobody I know brings their bags in. And the new type use a lot more plastic, which I just burn in my wood stove.
science always knew how to do that. but "they" didn't let them to say it to the public.
Science is Illuminati confirmed.
Felhek Lehrian Suddenly the world is full of theys.
Ghost of Socrates
sadly
They know how to do it, but not in a energy efficient way. That is to say, more energy is used to operate the transformation than what it yields in fuel. Thats why there is much research.
Axel Lacaze
Research = programmed delay
Finding ways of breaking down the plastics was good enough, but they're recycling it, turning it back into fuel too!? What a time to be alive.
Trace is the leader of this channel without him the channel is dead
and you won't find any trace left of this channel.
that was a bad pun, shame on you, have my thumbs up.
ohw well thanks XD
this was a news last 2015 in the PH where a Filipino engineer patented this discovery.
this so old.. turning plastic into fuel is atleast 30 years old...
Older than that. When plastic was first invented chemists understood that petroleum made plastics and those hydrocarbon chains can be broken back down with heat.
Not sure why they are saying this is new. Catalyzing plastic into fuel via pyrolysis has been around for decades. The problem is the process is not cost efficient at all and it requires clean feed stock -- something you don't get with old discarded plastics.
Hey Trace I've been watching for a while now but feel like I bever showed the support I should have. Really enjoying the content.
I've never*
wow, you are saying something positive!
i'm gonna call the newspapers.
but i agree.
where can i access the research paper or journal about this?
finally a way we can recycle condoms
I'm glad what you mentioned at the end. Yes this is a good thing, but it's not a solution. Diesel still burns dirty in most of the vehicles that uses it. And while diesel can be broken into gasoline, that's another step and more cost.
It hurts me when I see people frown away a recyclable iteam
Here in Canada, we got recycling bins the size of like 1.5 barrels drums, my family always fills it up. On the other hand, the garbage bin of same size usually fills up less than 20%. I'm proud of my family and country. My city is rolling out organic waste collection program in January. People still complain about fukin taxes they have to pay for living in such a wonderful (you know them fukin conservatives. Conserve everything except the environment and a healthy society)
Your country is a dump, and only unemployed weebs like you don’t care about taxes, because you don’t pay them. Just stay out of my Country, and I’ll make sure to send some black freedom smoke your way, sissy.
Does that mean I can put plastic bags in my fuel tank?
ulysses cervantes I drink high grade octain fuel, gotta keep my ol' Soviet Tank in good condition.
Is this process in question, by any chance, called Thermal Depolymerization? The tech has been around for a little while, from what I understand. It is said that it does well with mixed waste streams, using heat and pressure to convert anything with carbon-hydrogen chains into some kind of oil that can be fractionated into fuels. The byproducts include distilled water, minerals, and metals.
If companies were able to cheaply skim the plastic out of the great pacific garbage patch, this would put a reasonable bit of value to that low-grade plastic. It doesn't help the CO2 cycle, but it helps us minimize a pollution problem that's a lot worse. The problem is the size of those plastic particles.
first things first: Scientists have been able make diesel from plastic for a long time using a gasification process followed by the Fischer-Tropsch process. The only thing that stopped them from actually doing it was mainly that it was more expensive than using fossil fuel. So what you really should have said is that there now is a different way to do it. And reusing the catalyst is kind of the point of a catalyst, if you cant use it multiple times, it's by definition not a catalyst.... Because I study chemical engineering I had to do a project where we had to research sustainable processes and fuels. My project was actually on using the process i described above. But with discussing stuff with other people from my study, everyone pretty much agrees that the solution for the future will be using fast growing plants with the above process (which is not the same as biodiesel, keep that in mind). That would make for a carbon neutral process, if all the other energy would be taken from other "clean" sources.
It makes me annoyed when people throw recyclables in the trash ONLY when there's the big ass blue bin for recycling right next to the trash. but I understand if the blue bin isn't there that they trash it. I would trash it too, I'm not gonna hold on to everything until I see a blue bin thats just too much
Where is the Amazon link :)
I did a High school project on this. I actually made some Diesel like substance.
Even if it is converted into petrol but plastic when burnt ,it turns into liquid later when it cools down the substance becomes hard.....so scientists please explain...
Damn it, California! They just passed a law restricting the use of plastic bags.
What's the paper? I'd like to read it.
I hate when people don't recycle or when they throw their trash on the ground. We all have to be responsible for our things so always dispose of your trash/waste into its appropriate bin, trash can, and/or recyclable can.
An ethanol plant in my area is next to a land fill that produces methane that the ethanol plant uses to run the plant. Landfills really aren't the bane they are made out to be. Some good does come from them if put to use. Oh, I throw away "recyclables" everyday.
The big question is do you get more energy out of the plastic than it took to turn it into diesel? If the answer is no then it is a waste of time and energy and the energy it took to turn plastic into diesel will create more pollution than it cleans up.
wait a minute. in 2003 changing world industries a subsidery of ckn agra developed thermal depolyerization and there was even a mkcrowave machine called the tomahawk 10 that did the same that broke doen all hydrocarbon chains and was a net positive process.
not only could this be used for dangerous biowaste but also to remove contaminants from fossil fuel and coal.
what I wanna know is why these plants arent at every landfill and water treatment center ?
we could even go a step further and burn these oils at the plants and create electricity directly or hydrogen for transportation and as a commuter fuel.
umm, what am I missing ?
If the "catalyst" is consumed then it's not a true catalyst, it's a reagent. I don't think that is a purely semantic distinction.
We've been recycling metals for decades, no reason our landfills should have any metal, plastics, paper or any plant matter, we could recycle most of garbage we discard!
We hear just once about these amazing innovations, only to never hear about them again.
Reminds me of a 1970's television series called 'Tomorrow's World' which each week showcased innovations, which were never seen again.
What, I wonder, was the catalyst used to convert the plastic?
Is the process expensive? If so will they market this new diesel under "organic" ?
4:07 at my brother and his college roommates house that never happens they have a box for recyclables and we always recycle
There is an existing proces called pyrolysis, which uses heat to produce diesel from plastics. The cool thing is, once you get the reactor chamber up to temperature, you can use one of the byproducts of the reaction to supply fuel to run the process. If done well, the result is highly pure diesel fuel and some char. The char is reportedly able to be sold and used in multiple industries. I believe the process is compatible with 4 different grades of plastic. The machine uses electrical power, but this could be obtained via diesel generators running on the very fuel the machine produces. I believe the resulting output of most of these machines is about 1 liter of diesel per 1.5kg of plastic.
One example: bestonpyrolysisplant.com/waste-plastic-pyrolysis-plant/
MATERIALS AND METHODS
A 10-ml thick-wall Kontes flask was charged with iridium complex (4.2 μmol), n-octane (2.5 or 4.0 ml), 5 wt % Re2O7/Al2O3 (546 mg), PE (120 mg), and mesitylene (20 μl) as an internal standard. The flask was sealed with a Teflon plug and then heated at 175°C for 4 days. After that, an aliquot was removed from the flask and analyzed by GC. The distributions of soluble products were calculated for each aliquot. The residual solution was filtered at 160°C and washed with n-octane. The filtrates were combined and cooled to room temperature. The wax products precipitated from the solution and were separated by centrifugation. The detailed methods and characterization are available in the Supplementary Materials.
*note the temperature and the time required to achieve this*
I can't believe only 9% of plastics are recycled in the US! I recycle pretty much all plastic that I use from bottles to bags. I can't stand when people don't recycle especially when there is a recycling receptacle available.
this is old news. an irish company invented and now have the plastic to fuel rights in europe and the uk. they heat the plastic in a pressure cooker the gas escapes and cools in a tube to a liquid, like distilling alcohol.
different plastics makes different fuels
You can make sea shore walls with recycled plastic materials
My older sister throws away all her plastic items. I mean like every plastic. From bags to hard plastic
Cost to do this?
THIS IS SO AWESOME! to get this out of the way - i don't like petrol (diesel, ik) but this is so feckn awesome!!! People need to appreciate science and it's awesome tools, breakthroughs etc. WAAAYY more!
Awesome, guys keep going!
does it burn cleaner or its the same?
In this topic my opinions is if we use plastic for making road, plastic can degrade very fast. The ratio (tar & plastic) should be 9:1 then road mentaince would be very less.
Thats so cool, with the motivation of making money from recycling every single bit of plastic there will be thousand of companies and humans to collect plastic waste!! this could save our world!
In b4 deadliest catch features fishermen fishing for trash to sell for money
The minute the video started I wanted to know the efficiency! I also figured it out way before it ended.
You can change the garbage into energy, now lets change people into resourceful anti litter bugs.
bluefirex24 lol
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I think the title should be called "scientist can now turn plastic into fuel" because scientists are the ones that make the science happen, not science itself. Imagine, "hey science, make plastic into fuel" and nothing would happen whereas scientists would.
'If we just stopped producing plastics today,this is one way to get rid of the existing,allowing time to transition to better alternatives?'
Why not just burn it in a metal tank and capture the flammable gas then take the leftover waste material and pack them really tightly into barrels so they don't pollute and the flammable gas can be filtered and used for things like cooking heating and other things
When will be going to take action in this?
He kept saying "it feels like alchemy" but all I heard was equivalent exchange and the self consuming snake. So yeah, alchemy.
Plastic is also in our face, Kylie Jenner can actually run a whole country 😂😂😂😂😂