I think there's a misinterpretation of how Leonidas addresses the other Greeks wanting to join them. He isn't mocking them, at the start he says without any pause they are welcome to join them. It's only when he is questioned on the numbers and his commitment to the fight that he shows the true quality of soldiers he's brought with him.
So Sparta was not a normal city-state like the others in Greece. In Sparta, "citizens" trained to fight from childhood, while the work was done by slaves (helots). The other Greek city-states had a city militia. Of course they weren't as strong as the Spartans because these men were just doing their jobs. Nevertheless, these militias trained regularly and were certainly not weak. But they weren't soldiers like the Spartans.
Actually the Spartans were not professional soldiers either. By law, they were not professional anything. They did train for fitness, but not specifically for soldiering. And the Agogee (training for male Spartiate children) did not include military training (e.g., training in the phalanx), it was a school for indoctrination. Feel free to research it yourself.
@@mikeabberton I called them soldiers because that's what they were called in the movie. I think Warrior would be more appropriate. Of course, it wasn't just combat training and fitness that would be practiced in Sparta. Above all, the willpower would be strengthened and the cold-bloodedness that is needed in war. Furthermore, the Spartans naturally received no pay like soldiers or mercenary. They were all citizens with their own land to live off of.
THANK YOU!!! It was driving me mad, watching all these kids denigrate the Arcadians for not being 'good enough'. It's literally the difference between the regular Army and the National Guard. Both are warriors, but one group was full time, professional soldiers who's ONLY job was war, and the others were citizen soldiers with regular jobs, but who trained to fight for their homes. It's probably the military history geek in me, but people with the above attitude drive me MAD.
@jenscamilo Spartans as "strong willed and cold blooded warriors" is also a trope from entertainment. They were citizens of good physical fitness but ot nearly as capable as professional armies.
The other reply is an idiot, not worthy of a response, you make a very good point. Armies are not fought exclusively by highly trained warriors, look at both World Wars.
Yeah, I really dislike that they say that. Sure, they were a bit over their heads but still they were willing to lay down their lives for their country. They might have been weak when it comes to skill in battle but their spirits are far from it.
Good point! And you'll notice: Leonidas did not demean or question the everyman-sort that the other Greeks assembled - they were willing to fight despite not being as ready for it. He DID, however, make it clear just how ready the Spartans were. Sort of like "we mean no disrespect... but we are NOT the same".
Under Xerxes I, the Persian army moved south through Greece on the eastern coast, accompanied by the Persian navy moving parallel to the shore. To reach its destination at Attica, the region controlled by the city-state of Athens, the Persians needed to go through the coastal pass of Thermopylae (or the “Hot Gates,” so known because of nearby sulfur springs). In the late summer of 480 B.C., Leonidas led an army of 6,000 to 7,000 Greeks from many city-states, including 300 Spartans, in an attempt to prevent the Persians from passing through Thermopylae. Leonidas established his army at Thermopylae, expecting that the narrow pass would funnel the Persian army toward his own force. For two days, the Greeks withstood the determined attacks of their far more numerous enemy. Leonidas’ plan worked well at first, but he did not know that there was a route over the mountains to the west of Thermopylae that would allow the enemy to bypass his fortified position along the coast. A local Greek told Xerxes about this other route and led the Persian army across it, enabling them to surround the Greeks. Much of the Greek force retreated rather than face the Persian army. An army of Spartans, Thespians and Thebans remained to fight the Persians. Leonidas and the 300 Spartans with him were all killed, along with most of their remaining allies. The Persians found and beheaded Leonidas’ corpse-an act that was considered to be a grave insult.
1:05 what do they wear? In reality Spartans wore chest armor. Also I was told they probably didn't have washboard abs. A little fat around the belly was actually prefered.
this scene is so epic and so reliable..... the University of the Michigan State Spartans (College Football) use this scene for every Homegame to get the Crowd and the Team into the right Mood😍
It is true that all male Spartans were full time soldiers. But it begs the question who did the work in Sparta? Who farmed the crops, worked the mines, forged the weapons etc? The answer is slaves. The Spartans enslaved a whole people named the Helots. And would periodically attack the Helots to keep them afraid of the Spartans. Which makes the Spartans fight for “Freedom” ring pretty hollow.
I'm sure the historical Spartans never thought of "freedom" as the reason to fight Xerxes, and anyway the modern concept of freedom is not the same as the one Greeks held 2500 years ago. Is not honest to try and equate Hollywood entertainment with historical facts.
Yeah, it's a recurring problem with how a lot (not all, mind you) of "modern" women will talk out one side of their mouths when it comes to their own privilege, but will happily embrace toxic masculinity when it suits them.
I love the ladies reactions. Though a movie…it is a good representation of how fierce and deadly a man can be when needed. The word “Samurai” Means to be dangerous…in order to serve.
This is why we would appreciate a little more respect from women who have been led astray nowadays.We're not "toxic",we love you & will kill & or die to protect the ones we love,it's very simple;) There's not a man I know that would'nt defend his family to the death if it came down to it,not one!
They are disrespectful to those men. Sure they are weaker than Spartans in combat but they are willing to fight nonetheless. That makes them strong as any.
this is todays equivalent of marines( spartants)vs army(arcadians) because we as marines are always infantrymen men first then our mos is 2nd so we are always combat ready. thats why a lot of people refer to us as the modern day spartans because we practice/believe the same codes they did. no retreat or surrender. the army is the opposite and i know this first hand because after my 4 years in the marines i tried a year in the army and got out after finding out for myself how much of a joke it is lol
No self-respecting Spartan would enter battle without their armor. Why are these men running around naked? They look more like gladiators than soldiers.
Of course, under Spartan law, Spartan citizens could not have professions; those were for the helots (slaves). Thus a Spartan's "profession" was Citizen of Sparta.
The Spartans are Israel, Israelites what do you think? Leonidas got his idea from from the Israelites from Giveon and is 300 that was hope to defeat Persian empire.
I think there's a misinterpretation of how Leonidas addresses the other Greeks wanting to join them. He isn't mocking them, at the start he says without any pause they are welcome to join them. It's only when he is questioned on the numbers and his commitment to the fight that he shows the true quality of soldiers he's brought with him.
Very well said.
Auuum Auuum Auuum
So Sparta was not a normal city-state like the others in Greece. In Sparta, "citizens" trained to fight from childhood, while the work was done by slaves (helots). The other Greek city-states had a city militia. Of course they weren't as strong as the Spartans because these men were just doing their jobs. Nevertheless, these militias trained regularly and were certainly not weak. But they weren't soldiers like the Spartans.
Started at age 7 I believe
Actually the Spartans were not professional soldiers either. By law, they were not professional anything. They did train for fitness, but not specifically for soldiering. And the Agogee (training for male Spartiate children) did not include military training (e.g., training in the phalanx), it was a school for indoctrination. Feel free to research it yourself.
@@mikeabberton I called them soldiers because that's what they were called in the movie. I think Warrior would be more appropriate. Of course, it wasn't just combat training and fitness that would be practiced in Sparta. Above all, the willpower would be strengthened and the cold-bloodedness that is needed in war. Furthermore, the Spartans naturally received no pay like soldiers or mercenary. They were all citizens with their own land to live off of.
THANK YOU!!! It was driving me mad, watching all these kids denigrate the Arcadians for not being 'good enough'. It's literally the difference between the regular Army and the National Guard. Both are warriors, but one group was full time, professional soldiers who's ONLY job was war, and the others were citizen soldiers with regular jobs, but who trained to fight for their homes.
It's probably the military history geek in me, but people with the above attitude drive me MAD.
@jenscamilo Spartans as "strong willed and cold blooded warriors" is also a trope from entertainment. They were citizens of good physical fitness but ot nearly as capable as professional armies.
Any men willing to join the battle and sacrifice their lives are not weak.
True. But at the same time, one: pecking order. And two, don't talk about what you don't know, or else be made a fool.
The other reply is an idiot, not worthy of a response, you make a very good point. Armies are not fought exclusively by highly trained warriors, look at both World Wars.
Yeah, I really dislike that they say that. Sure, they were a bit over their heads but still they were willing to lay down their lives for their country. They might have been weak when it comes to skill in battle but their spirits are far from it.
Good point! And you'll notice: Leonidas did not demean or question the everyman-sort that the other Greeks assembled - they were willing to fight despite not being as ready for it. He DID, however, make it clear just how ready the Spartans were. Sort of like "we mean no disrespect... but we are NOT the same".
They are "courageous" amateurs.
Butler's performance was just so note-perfect. Wise, patient, and reasonable... AND full of enough testosterone to drive a train. Not either/or. AND.
Under Xerxes I, the Persian army moved south through Greece on the eastern coast, accompanied by the Persian navy moving parallel to the shore. To reach its destination at Attica, the region controlled by the city-state of Athens, the Persians needed to go through the coastal pass of Thermopylae (or the “Hot Gates,” so known because of nearby sulfur springs). In the late summer of 480 B.C., Leonidas led an army of 6,000 to 7,000 Greeks from many city-states, including 300 Spartans, in an attempt to prevent the Persians from passing through Thermopylae.
Leonidas established his army at Thermopylae, expecting that the narrow pass would funnel the Persian army toward his own force. For two days, the Greeks withstood the determined attacks of their far more numerous enemy. Leonidas’ plan worked well at first, but he did not know that there was a route over the mountains to the west of Thermopylae that would allow the enemy to bypass his fortified position along the coast. A local Greek told Xerxes about this other route and led the Persian army across it, enabling them to surround the Greeks. Much of the Greek force retreated rather than face the Persian army. An army of Spartans, Thespians and Thebans remained to fight the Persians. Leonidas and the 300 Spartans with him were all killed, along with most of their remaining allies. The Persians found and beheaded Leonidas’ corpse-an act that was considered to be a grave insult.
but by this sacrifice Leonidas gave time and informations to the rest of the Greek army to defeat the Persians
"You there, what is your profession?"
I'm a Discord moderator, sir
Leonidas: "Kill that man, immediately."
"And you, neckbeard, what is your profession?"
"Redditor, sir"
"Redditor.... And you??"
"Kick streamer"
I work in HVAC, sir
Its funny watching women appreciating their manliness, when they would consider them to be toxic in todays world.
It's in their DNA.
Always better to have a warrior in a garden, than gardeners in a war.
1:05 what do they wear? In reality Spartans wore chest armor. Also I was told they probably didn't have washboard abs. A little fat around the belly was actually prefered.
7:50 lmao Hella's innocence cracked me up just like a standard naked gun line from drebin
“You see old friend, I brought more soldiers than you did.”
Ultimate diss right there.
I find it funny when they watch movies like this thinking its family friendly or think it won't be brutal 💀 😂
this scene is so epic and so reliable..... the University of the Michigan State Spartans (College Football) use this scene for every Homegame to get the Crowd and the Team into the right Mood😍
I didn’t even know that (or maybe I miss it or forgotten)
It is true that all male Spartans were full time soldiers. But it begs the question who did the work in Sparta? Who farmed the crops, worked the mines, forged the weapons etc? The answer is slaves. The Spartans enslaved a whole people named the Helots. And would periodically attack the Helots to keep them afraid of the Spartans. Which makes the Spartans fight for “Freedom” ring pretty hollow.
It’s the law of the jungle-Only the strong survive.
I'm sure the historical Spartans never thought of "freedom" as the reason to fight Xerxes, and anyway the modern concept of freedom is not the same as the one Greeks held 2500 years ago. Is not honest to try and equate Hollywood entertainment with historical facts.
@- sure but I dislike historical fiction that tries to portray slave owners as “freedom fighters”
great another idiot who puts his own liberal progressive values on history.
Hollow are the oh so victimized people crying and shouting and wanting 'reperations' today who never have been slaves themselves ever.
Yeah, it's a recurring problem with how a lot (not all, mind you) of "modern" women will talk out one side of their mouths when it comes to their own privilege, but will happily embrace toxic masculinity when it suits them.
I love the ladies reactions. Though a movie…it is a good representation of how fierce and deadly a man can be when needed. The word “Samurai” Means to be dangerous…in order to serve.
This is why we would appreciate a little more respect from women who have been led astray nowadays.We're not "toxic",we love you & will kill & or die to protect the ones we love,it's very simple;) There's not a man I know that would'nt defend his family to the death if it came down to it,not one!
The cringe is real.
@@NormanTheDormantDoormat The hypocrisy is even more real.
skilled and trained means everything
Deng Kristen's word are good. "You brought the weak, I brought the war"
They are disrespectful to those men. Sure they are weaker than Spartans in combat but they are willing to fight nonetheless. That makes them strong as any.
Of course, at the end of the sequel, you see him on a ship leading into battle!
Before Leonidas asks sculptor about profession it's literally Uncle Sam close up shot
The other greek armywas of civilians according to movie. In real history they were warriors from all other power cities
City-states... and compared to Sparta, they were no better than weekend warriors.
One of the coldest lines in movie history
"you brought the week... i brought the War"
'Spartan's, what is your profession?' 'Baddasses!'
Every time I see this film I want to play AC Odyssey with Kassandra ^^
This scene. OMFG, I love it.
When Spartans ask you out for dinner
3:40 my boy high as f@$#
Ight for real Id like to see Leonaidas whip up some pottery from scratch
I'd like to see that pottery face thousands of Persian Immortals on the beach.
this is todays equivalent of marines( spartants)vs army(arcadians) because we as marines are always infantrymen men first then our mos is 2nd so we are always combat ready. thats why a lot of people refer to us as the modern day spartans because we practice/believe the same codes they did. no retreat or surrender. the army is the opposite and i know this first hand because after my 4 years in the marines i tried a year in the army and got out after finding out for myself how much of a joke it is lol
3:09 Case in point: women are not to be in combat.
Pipe Down!
@ step forward
Alright, calm down, General.
@ or what?
Nobody should be in combat, when you get right down to it. Combat is a primitive, animalistic and smooth-brained response to a dilemma.
Nothing, later Alexander will avenge Greece and Sparta, destroy the Persian Empire, and it will never be the same again.
No self-respecting Spartan would enter battle without their armor. Why are these men running around naked? They look more like gladiators than soldiers.
Blame Frank Miller for the design. :)
@@JnEricsonx I mean if you wanted to make a movie about naked men fighting in a war, you could always do a movie on the celtic warriors.
@@mdmyer Somewhere my relatives in Galway just punched the air.
In ancient Greece, they also held the early Olympic games in the nude.
Of course, under Spartan law, Spartan citizens could not have professions; those were for the helots (slaves). Thus a Spartan's "profession" was Citizen of Sparta.
Started training at age 7
Sparta in this Movie: "ABANDON REASON, KNOW ONLY WAR!!!"
First girl: 😩💦
Oleme el dedo
Awesome video.
Stop putting yourself in the compilation
The Spartans are Israel, Israelites what do you think? Leonidas got his idea from from the Israelites from Giveon and is 300 that was hope to defeat Persian empire.
This shit is very very racist!
How?
Stop being childish.
@JesusProtects because i am Iranian and this shit offense me.
You are offended by something that happened over 2,400 years ago? Then don't watch it. @@محمدداودی-ر6ه
@@محمدداودی-ر6ه It’s propaganda within the movie. One of their own is telling the story to his own spartan brothers.
cringe