No.1 player couching the no.2 player in the world using cloud against a luigi main....... and elegant still nearly won both sets. Elegant is a god. Props to Leo too
"I know you beat me, but i really don't want this green Italian plumber lookin ass to win this tournament, ok?".-ZeRo edit: holy moly, 377 likes??? i never tought i'd get this far, thx
It didn't matter who won, this was easily the best set this year so far. I'm super happy for elegant for making it this far, and congrats to MKLeo for winning his first S-Tier this year!
I felt Elegant was outplaying Mkleo for the majority of the games but Luigi just can’t do much against Cloud’s range, frame data, and limit camping. I was rooting for Elegant so hard but ggs Mkleo. I would love to see a Luigi win an S-tier one day.
Blurry You know what, though? Rank 25 getting to Grand Finals as Luigi and if you think about it, he was tied in games vs MK Leo, they both won 7 games...
This set was amazing but I still think Zero Vs Tsu and Tsu’s whole run was a bit more intense/interesting. Frostbite and this tourney were actually super similar. Just switch MK and Zero and Tsu w Elegant.
I really feel bad for leo even though he beat zero in the previous set people are saying he didn't deserve to win. I feel like he had to make sure his win over his biggest demon count by getting first but i guess people like rooting for new people.
Arturo Velásquez you guys wanted elegant the win cause it was Luigi vs a cloud. Luigi is obviously the underdog, and when an underdog gets close to winning, of course u wanna root for him. But you cant say derserved it more just cause mk leo was using cloud... Makes no sense at all
I like how zero and mkleo are so close, i love all their matches. Both incredible players and what i love most is that when either person is playing against someone else they’ll be there to support eachother
Another salty fan, dude no one is forcing elegant to keep playing luigi and it's his decision, it's really arrogant and stupid to think he's better for using a worse character
I JUST WATCHED THIS MATCHUP LAST NIGHT!!!! Most epic set I’ve ever watched in my LIFE! I almost made a compilation of this matchup myself, but ya know, your version’s better, Yeet. 👌🏻
At top play, picking cloud is not an obvious choice, or an easy one. All of the top players know the matchup (elegant managed to pull out that perfect shield in jab at the ledge multiple times, he was prepared for this), you have to stay very aware as a cloud player at that level: one slip off-stage can make you lose a stock, which is what happened for the most part. It's not easy. MKleo has a great spacing game matured with marth, and played really really well, elegant too has played at his peak. It's been a great finals set, and remember that it's the player that performs, not the character.
I want to be humble about it like you're trying to be, but... I just can't. I don't even play Smash anymore and I still get triggered whenever somebody defends Cloud by pointing out that he has weaknesses. As if they somehow equalize his enormous and frankly stupid strengths. As if "tiers don't matter" -- getting really annoyed and tired of that argument. I don't think anyone is saying if you pick a lower tier character, you automatically lose to a higher tier character. It's just generally, in a trend, easier to pick the top tier character in some way. Either they have more options, better options, or are just easier to play. Cloud is an obnoxious character, regardless of skill level. He doesn't get fucked as easily as you suggest, either. Not that it's terribly hard to gimp him, but a lot of the cast has a hard time reliably doing it -- at least last I played. But even if they didn't, Cloud still has retarded frame data, range, and kill power on top of an insane juggle game, arguably the best pressure tool in the game (limit charge) which is practically a zero-risk way to get your opponent to do what you want them to, even when it's a bad idea. Let's not forget that limit cross slash has intangibility on frame 6 -- meanwhile Shulk's fastest move is only a single frame faster, and that move (jab) doesn't combo, do good damage, or even link into itself properly. But tell us again how the character doesn't matter.
Don't worry man I feel you. Cloud is strong, otherwise, as you pointed out, it wouldn't be used by top players. And I'm right there with you on the Shulk frustration, I main him but it's so goddamn hard to not call bullshit on some of his moves sometimes.
god leo got so lucky in that set1 game5 where alegant punished cloud's up-B witth B-air but then cloud flew the other way around. that was clearly game for elegant if he would've got the correct hitbox
Why are people giving shit to leo, yeah cloud is definetely a better character but you cant say luigi is bad either. Ngl elegant did amazing but cmon give leo some credit people
Everybody saying Elegant outplayed MKLeo but lost due to character choice is not observant of how intelligently Leo played, though I will say the character choice really helped Leo win. Elegant definitely had some super exciting moments and played incredibly, but overall MKLeo played the matchup incredibly well and knew almost exactly what to do at all the right times
For the people whoi complained about the colud luigi matchup: Elegant has tried multiple top tiers, but luigi truly is the charachter for him, since it lets his flashy playstyle be optimal, so plz don't complain, ggs to all
Mkleo is one of favorite smash 4 players but I was still popping off from elegant winning. Mad props to him. But this is top 3 best set I've seen in smash 4.
i mean, if you call failing to prevent cloud from getting limit "choking," i guess he did. That's how he lost the majority of his stocks in the last set, was cloud limit break.
The fact that zero had a 10 second appearance made me die laughing
From the way he Introduced himself to the path of destruction. Yeah, It was x)
Time stamp? 🙄
Nevermind 3:25
Loses one game.
Immediately picks Cloud
"I think cloud is fair and balanced"
The Church of Masymas FG in a nutshell lol.
Well cloud is one of his mains LMAO!
man boy That's the immature way of looking at it. They are paid to win tournaments, obviously they're going to pick high tier characters.
And it worked :^)
No one else gonna point out the pizza up throw?
Forget two dollar slices, Elegant tossed the whole thing, toppings and all.
mickylord21 nope
I thought of breaking bad with that
Caught me off guard lol
I died lmfaoooo
Elegant possessed by the spirit of smash
The FalcoMaster has come to Smash 4 to save his people from its shitty DLC top tiers
Down-B to win
Clearly he didnt judging by that L he took
When mk Leo's butt showed live on stream I died
Hero Tom You mean nutted?
he is PROMOTIONING the pepsi logo jajajajajaaj
That’s actually considered child pornography
Mitch Mayhem jajaaj
Kyle Fields actually funny cuz about 300-400 years ago in England, death in poetry was slang for nutting
No.1 player couching the no.2 player in the world using cloud against a luigi main....... and elegant still nearly won both sets.
Elegant is a god. Props to Leo too
notice me senpai He decided to use luigi, no one forced him stop wih that bs
andres wtf are you talking about?
Dude did you even read his comment?
notice me senpai i love it when im sitting at home couching like a couch potato, i wish i could be there to coach though.
#2 player is Nairo ;)
"I know you beat me, but i really don't want this green Italian plumber lookin ass to win this tournament, ok?".-ZeRo
edit: holy moly, 377 likes??? i never tought i'd get this far, thx
I sometimes think like that about him tho >.
i'm dead
damn, I was really hoping elegant won but Leo's plot armor too strong.
It was because of that bair that Elegant lost :(
On his stream Elegant said he was listening to the Persona 5 OST
FadedPhoenix He said he listened to “rivers in the desert” for all of top 8
that foreshadowing is insane
Elegant streams?
Whats's the name of the Elegant's stream? Please
@@AviorGloria hell yeah Elegantmatt69 twitch
When ur a luigi main in grand finals of a super major
DAB
*DAB*
Mr Karotiko deadass
lookin'ass
Matt Parada stupidass
shitass
6:37 That would’ve been it if the reverse hit didn’t happen ;~;
Guff McGufferson :'((((
This still hurts my soul
Let's be honest. You all wanted Elegant to win.
Betty Bourfesus no
Yep, but I also wanted Leo to win at the same time.
You don't know how much watching this set unfold tore me apart inside. :(
Betty Bourfesus not even gonna lie. I was rooting for elegant so hard I was practically dick riding.
Betty Bourfesus Like YOU didn’t...
Betty Bourfesus Nah
It didn't matter who won, this was easily the best set this year so far. I'm super happy for elegant for making it this far, and congrats to MKLeo for winning his first S-Tier this year!
He win genesis saga
Andrew Simmons I think he meant his first S tier this season. And ZeRo won Genesis Saga, MKLeo won Genesis 4.
I felt Elegant was outplaying Mkleo for the majority of the games but Luigi just can’t do much against Cloud’s range, frame data, and limit camping. I was rooting for Elegant so hard but ggs Mkleo. I would love to see a Luigi win an S-tier one day.
But geez that back air made me lose all of my morality. I was salty for the rest of the day lol
Minh Nguyen ikr, elegant was on his shit the whole day. But cloud being cloud wins against luigi.
Even in the match up Elegant was doing great.
notice me senpai IKR? Elegant played GODLIKE!
Minh Nguyen on the plus side, Luigi gimps Cloud so hard
Minh Nguyen Yep that's the match up
I almost cried when Elegant lost
Diego Olea same asf fam.. ggs
Are you soft?
Same tbh
Lol
Diego Olea what a puss
5:50 That pizza though.
That fricking Luigi back air made me cry super hard.
It wasn't DI. DI won't save you from that back air. It's the hitbox. Luigi's Bair has a weak hitbox that sends the other way.
letsplaytodayusa You could say... Luigi is wack?
Pretty sure most of the characters have some similar weak hitbox, which Is okay..
letsplaytodayusa too bad
Pinkerton
Reverse hitboxes are on like every character, nothing to cry about for luigi
There's a multiverse where elegant did win and actually kept on being good at smash . No alcohol required
Bro 😢 💀
I wanted Elegant to win SO bad :(
Blurry SAAAAME... RIP Elegant
Blurry You know what, though? Rank 25 getting to Grand Finals as Luigi and if you think about it, he was tied in games vs MK Leo, they both won 7 games...
He beat Ally, MK Leo, Samsora, and Anti... That's impressive
That back air on game 5 first set thought... WTF SAKURAI :(
What do you mean? It was simply a back air :l
"Oh Cosmos help us! Alright thank you"
Elegant played out of his mind
Replace Kreygasm with Elegant's face
If you didn’t want elegant to win you’re 100 percent blinded by bias
This set was amazing but I still think Zero Vs Tsu and Tsu’s whole run was a bit more intense/interesting. Frostbite and this tourney were actually super similar. Just switch MK and Zero and Tsu w Elegant.
Daniel Black Couldn't agree with you more...
Daniel Black and to an extent now, Captain L vs Mkleo at Arcane 2018
Elegant Makes all the weegee mains proud
You need to make more videos like these. The amount of memes were perfect. And that little zero part had me rofl seriously. Great video!
5:49 Dat Italian Pizza th[row/ough] xD
9:12 Not sure about this but It seems they didn't notice Whisspy pushing Elegant out of the stage O_o
Emishimaru - Sama Throw the pizza on the roof like Walter White
Damn that mashing at the beginning when Elegant selected Luigi 😂
5:50 pizza edit got me
i got lightheaded from laughing so hard
Perfect pivot into Down Taunt. Truest of combos... 4:42
Cloud is incredibly boring to watch.
In order to master your main, you must BE your main
The one dislike is Hungrybox for Evo 2016
I really feel bad for leo even though he beat zero in the previous set people are saying he didn't deserve to win. I feel like he had to make sure his win over his biggest demon count by getting first but i guess people like rooting for new people.
Angel he didnt because he was getting destroyed almost every game but still won because he was using cloud
It's not that he didn't deserved, it's that Elegant deserved it more
Arturo Velásquez you guys wanted elegant the win cause it was Luigi vs a cloud. Luigi is obviously the underdog, and when an underdog gets close to winning, of course u wanna root for him. But you cant say derserved it more just cause mk leo was using cloud... Makes no sense at all
I like how zero and mkleo are so close, i love all their matches. Both incredible players and what i love most is that when either person is playing against someone else they’ll be there to support eachother
It would have been awesome to see MKLeo take it with Marth
“cosmos help us” got me dying
OP $5.99 DLC character vs Overnerfed and balanced original character...it was obvious who was gonna win lol.
so glad to see zero coach leo even after losers finals. rivals as friends alike
(By the way, love the editing tho)
6:37 elegant should have won GTX right then
Sawyer Hutson willey could he have gone for a up throw?
That guy at 7:23 who failed to score the handshake, please Sakurai have mercy of his soul
lol I am so surprised how you shorten a 40 minute long video and make it also really funny, I'm glad I'm subscribed to you YEET
Mkleo jumping away in fear for a full minute back airing
D1: This is so smart
HE GOT THE TECH
Hbox vs Armada EVO grand finals is probably tied with this showdown
That moment when you outplay your opponent but their character is better so it doesn't matter.
Also known as Smash 4
Another salty fan, dude no one is forcing elegant to keep playing luigi and it's his decision, it's really arrogant and stupid to think he's better for using a worse character
Lol, because melee has a more balanced cast...
leoonellzs since when...
leoonellzs excuse me???
I JUST WATCHED THIS MATCHUP LAST NIGHT!!!! Most epic set I’ve ever watched in my LIFE! I almost made a compilation of this matchup myself, but ya know, your version’s better, Yeet. 👌🏻
Very nice editing. Please do more of these, they are very hype
The best set by far. So epic.
At top play, picking cloud is not an obvious choice, or an easy one. All of the top players know the matchup (elegant managed to pull out that perfect shield in jab at the ledge multiple times, he was prepared for this), you have to stay very aware as a cloud player at that level: one slip off-stage can make you lose a stock, which is what happened for the most part. It's not easy. MKleo has a great spacing game matured with marth, and played really really well, elegant too has played at his peak. It's been a great finals set, and remember that it's the player that performs, not the character.
Mattia Lombardi I wanted Elegant to win but MKLeo played perfectly, this is probably my favourite smash set of all time.
I want to be humble about it like you're trying to be, but... I just can't. I don't even play Smash anymore and I still get triggered whenever somebody defends Cloud by pointing out that he has weaknesses. As if they somehow equalize his enormous and frankly stupid strengths. As if "tiers don't matter" -- getting really annoyed and tired of that argument. I don't think anyone is saying if you pick a lower tier character, you automatically lose to a higher tier character. It's just generally, in a trend, easier to pick the top tier character in some way. Either they have more options, better options, or are just easier to play.
Cloud is an obnoxious character, regardless of skill level. He doesn't get fucked as easily as you suggest, either. Not that it's terribly hard to gimp him, but a lot of the cast has a hard time reliably doing it -- at least last I played. But even if they didn't, Cloud still has retarded frame data, range, and kill power on top of an insane juggle game, arguably the best pressure tool in the game (limit charge) which is practically a zero-risk way to get your opponent to do what you want them to, even when it's a bad idea. Let's not forget that limit cross slash has intangibility on frame 6 -- meanwhile Shulk's fastest move is only a single frame faster, and that move (jab) doesn't combo, do good damage, or even link into itself properly.
But tell us again how the character doesn't matter.
Androidd Prince the first three words of my comment: at top play.
Don't worry man I feel you. Cloud is strong, otherwise, as you pointed out, it wouldn't be used by top players. And I'm right there with you on the Shulk frustration, I main him but it's so goddamn hard to not call bullshit on some of his moves sometimes.
The character is OP tho...that made things easier for Leo cuz if Cloud didnt existed...his Marth would've lost.
Anybody else saw pizza at 5:50? 👌😂
Lol
Italian reference idk
@@diegothoosc5761 it's because people who make pizza through the dough up while making it
MKleo, you are awesome!
When you lose the most important game of your career because your back air didn't launch properly
In this set, ZeRo, MVD and ESAM souls were there.
I died of laughter when I saw the pizza toss at 5:50 , aight that's a new sub xD
0:15-0:20 is just beautiful
2017 year of luigi?
every year is luigi year
yeet twittered yesterday the meme possibilities are endless.
he delivered
god leo got so lucky in that set1 game5 where alegant punished cloud's up-B witth B-air but then cloud flew the other way around. that was clearly game for elegant if he would've got the correct hitbox
Thank you recommended for telling me about this over 3 years later
The Most Overstated Video Title in the History of Competitive Smash
Why are people giving shit to leo, yeah cloud is definetely a better character but you cant say luigi is bad either. Ngl elegant did amazing but cmon give leo some credit people
incubie in this MU. Yes Luigi is a bad character
incubie cloud is overpowered and easy to use, Luigi is only good if you know how to use him
Thomas Cranston Stop. Leo is one of the best clouds in the world. And after this set at MSM leo 6-0'd Elegant.
Mk leo is just a really good cloud. Stop.
cloud is just a cheap character.
Ally vs. Elegant with Mario was much hyper, the things those two did under the stage...
4:58 TOO. MUCH. DAB.
beautiful stuff as always 😄
This was like MKLEO’s own shonen tournament arc
2:03 that´s the sickest jab i´ve seen in my entire life
I bet Elegant was consulting that controller coach during that time between sets.
when the only cloud kills are back airs
I don’t understand why cloud jumped off the stage to hit Luigi when it looked like Luigi was on the brink of dying anyway...
Everybody saying Elegant outplayed MKLeo but lost due to character choice is not observant of how intelligently Leo played, though I will say the character choice really helped Leo win. Elegant definitely had some super exciting moments and played incredibly, but overall MKLeo played the matchup incredibly well and knew almost exactly what to do at all the right times
WHY IS CLOUD'S PRESSURING BACK-AIR SO DAMN SCARY
Elegant deserved that tournament. Damn Smash Gods, smiting down everyone...
The Most Epic Showdown in the History of Competitive Smash 4 * There ya go
elegent puts so much emotion in his gamelay
This is the first pro smash match I’ve seen... and I saw it before this video???
That Was Pretty Intense.
For the people whoi complained about the colud luigi matchup: Elegant has tried multiple top tiers, but luigi truly is the charachter for him, since it lets his flashy playstyle be optimal, so plz don't complain, ggs to all
If Elegant spent his Luigi time to Cloud, im sure he would win but still this set was f*cking hype.
We need more videos like this!
Elegant shouldve won with the way he played
When you outplay your opponent but their character is broken. Really wanted Elegant to win, he has it in him
MKLEO hit elegant hard with the Back Air counterpick.
Zero vs Tsu is a far more epic showdown imo
Still hype as fuck, I wish Elegant won :c
*Just like Tsu omfg*
IT SEEMS SO SCRIPTED
Since I use Lucario Salem vs Tsu has been my favorite match so far
Seeing that you have Lucario as your profile picture, I can imagine you have some bias ;) both were really entertaining to watch tho
This tourney wasnt even announcet at smashboards....I missed it totally
Elegant is my favorite
whats up with the frame of a pizza when luigi upthrows?
Mkleo is one of favorite smash 4 players but I was still popping off from elegant winning. Mad props to him. But this is top 3 best set I've seen in smash 4.
5:49 slow the video down if you missed it
Augelmir lmao a pizza
HAHA yeet smash is too funny
The text made this 10 times better
Leo's Marth and meta knight, pogchamp
Leo's Cloud, residentsleeper
10:35 why not dance now elegant??
Elegant is now one of my favroite smash players.
I wish Elegant won this tourney. He’s getting there.
I barely caught that pizza up throw lol
Elegant choked so hard at the end
i mean, if you call failing to prevent cloud from getting limit "choking," i guess he did. That's how he lost the majority of his stocks in the last set, was cloud limit break.
In history of *Smash 4. There are still many Melee matches that I think are even more exting then this.
That reverse backair hurts me
the first time mango and armada played was pretty epic
That was the back air heard round the world.. Or i guess technically NOT heard lol