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  • @nilomyki
    @nilomyki 3 роки тому +6

    8 Years later and this is still a fantastic video.

  • @gere364
    @gere364 7 років тому +36

    8:55 CROVISA is an spanish transformers producers. Made in UE means "Unión Europea", thats European Union in spanish.

  • @Brendan77132
    @Brendan77132 11 років тому +4

    In Ireland the tips range from 15-25 euros, some speciality tips run a little more. If they are not abused they last way longer than the cheap ones and with the auto standby its hard to go wrong. I love it way better than my pace iron.

  • @Afrotechmods
    @Afrotechmods 11 років тому +22

    Mixed feelings (mostly due to overly high expectations) but overall I wish I had bought it years ago. It is an essential buy for anyone who solders anything to power planes. It works so fast on them it's scary (4 seconds versus 2 minutes in some cases). For small surface mount stuff it's good but there's nothing I couldn't already do with my WES51 with an extra second or two. Other stuff like quick tip change, better temp regulation are nice but nothing earth shatteringly amazing. contd:

    • @FooBar89
      @FooBar89 7 років тому

      same here, the good feelings comes later when you need it :)

    • @krazykillar4794
      @krazykillar4794 4 роки тому

      Im a first timer, im either buying the the dual station with tweezers and precision iron , or I might buy them separately with the modular unit.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 років тому +10

    It's 70W power iron, 140W or so peak. You need a big transformer for that.

  • @ComandanteJ
    @ComandanteJ 8 років тому +18

    These, as far as i know, are desinged and made in Barcelona, Spain, if anybody's curious. One of the few brands that we Spanish can be really proud of, hehe.

    • @fuertito6601
      @fuertito6601 5 років тому +2

      @Marcin Berman barcelona IS SPAIN

    • @gtm7713
      @gtm7713 5 років тому +1

      @Marcin Berman If you say so...

    • @EduardoJurado
      @EduardoJurado 4 роки тому +1

      @Marcin Berman Some catalan people, not all. I'm from Barcelona and very proud to be Spaniard.

  • @Mr.Laidukas
    @Mr.Laidukas 11 років тому +2

    We use bunch of them at work (also have different generations of it) and never faced a firmware lock up!! It's best soldering station one can have :)

  • @macnpepperjack
    @macnpepperjack 11 років тому +1

    Nice teardown, I use this iron everyday! My favorite part about JBC irons is how quickly you can change tips.

  • @didgitalpunk
    @didgitalpunk 11 років тому +2

    exactly! when I saw this video pop up in my front page I was like "NOOOOOOO you did NOT do that Dave!!" and then I remember that whatever you take apart, it will still work just as well when you put it back together.
    I love your videos! keep it up mate!

  • @3ffrige
    @3ffrige 4 роки тому +1

    ...”I don’t want to take the iron apart because that’ll surely destroy it”....
    ....*flips around the loosely tightened integrated holder*...”hmmm did I break it? I don’t know hmmm”
    Absolutely love your channel. Will soon become your Patreon supporter!

  • @OG_Zlog
    @OG_Zlog 11 років тому +1

    I just checked. That is a real CE mark, not a China Export mark. Measure the C from top to bottom outside diameter. Then measure the C from left to right. If the C was drawn as a full circle then it would intersect the E, just before the E's little center leg. I hope that made sense.

  • @Brendan-the-Navigator
    @Brendan-the-Navigator 11 років тому +1

    Thanks again Dave, I like your thorough knowledge based style. I have recently got an ATTEN AT397b,cost a whopping $ 36 inc postage - very simple in comparison, but am quite happy with it's performance !
    Cheers mate & keep up the interesting work.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 років тому +3

    It only takes a few seconds on the JBC to heat up to working temp from cold.

  • @Absolumify
    @Absolumify 8 років тому +3

    We get to use these in our labs. They really are great tools. Expensive, but well worth the money (imo). £365 atm. Don't know if they will last 20 years. But they are impressive and seem well made.

  • @hamhacksandhome
    @hamhacksandhome 11 років тому +1

    I also planned on a similar project once.If you like Arduino, have a look at Arduino PID library. it can be used for temperature controlling. I trust switching power supply should be work as well as a linear supply.

  • @lbochtler
    @lbochtler 5 років тому +3

    Love these Irons, would not trade mine for anything. Best $500 ish i have spent in a long time. Starting to retool my entire lab to JBC. The only thing better then this iron, is the larger version of this iron.

  • @powder-phun949
    @powder-phun949 11 років тому +5

    I actually liked that quick teardown. You could make more of them, beacuse it sometimes gets a bit boring when you talk about the quality of solderjoints on a single bord for like a few minutes.

  • @calmarcalmar
    @calmarcalmar 10 років тому +4

    At 9:35 .. normallly you push the thing onto the tip but only softly to take it out as a first step, and then you press it into it via the big holes there (45, 10 10) really into the holder.
    Just in case it's not clear for someone.

  • @Tutoelectro1
    @Tutoelectro1 11 років тому +2

    Gracias! Desgraciadamente JBC no se molesta en poner su origen en ninguna parte. Tienes que ver donde están los "Headquarters" para saber que son Españoles...

  • @GenerationXT
    @GenerationXT 11 років тому

    I have been considering upgrading my soldering station. I have looked at the JBC among others. But I'm probably going to purchase the Hakko FX-951. This is due to the difference in price between the two. The 951 can be had for about 250-300 dollars. From what I can tell the unit has the same type of features, including the integrated heater tip setup for quicker heating and recovery.

  • @HarikenRed1
    @HarikenRed1 10 років тому +3

    Just received a JBC CD-S soldering iron (same principle as CD-2BB) and JBC CP Tweezers, to replace the crappy Ersa stations I have in the office. Those JBC stations are amazing concerning the heating power, heating speed, the handling and the overall quality. They are quite expensive, but allow to do a great job on SMD components like 0402 or even 0201. But for a not-intensive hobby use it doesn't make any sense, too expensive for using only a small part of its capabilities. A Weller would be a better choice in that case (not as good as the JBC, but high placed too).

  • @whitcwa
    @whitcwa 11 років тому +2

    Safety is the main reason low voltage is used. It definitely has temperature control.

  • @davidprice2861
    @davidprice2861 6 років тому +2

    Beautiful station for sure! Might get one.

  • @aptsys
    @aptsys 11 років тому +1

    14:40 The dsPIC has a PLL Dave. A 4MHz XTAL will let it run at 40MIPS. There's no internal EEPROM either.

  • @TwistTapeTechnology
    @TwistTapeTechnology 11 років тому

    We actually just got one of these at work... unfortunately, the supervisor was under the impression that it was a 130watt iron, in fact, as you've just said, it is a 70watt, and as a result performs very similarly to the 70watt hakko irons we already had...
    Another thing to note, with the temperature set to 350 degrees, the tip temperature was actually 380.... which also explains how it appears to work so well with the temperature set relatively low...

    • @tunahankaratay1523
      @tunahankaratay1523 5 років тому

      I think the problem might be with the cold junction compansation. The sensor might be faulty and giving a 0 degree value so when the iron is at 350 degrees it understands that it is at 320 degrees or so.

  • @Damicske
    @Damicske 11 років тому

    I got a JBC 30S, nice iron only a little bit under powered, I also have a Weller SI-75 for the bigger connections/wires, both doing there job.

  • @jaaasgoed
    @jaaasgoed 11 років тому

    Also, for some reason while writing to the internal EEPROM, all non-hardware implemented operations in the PIC are halted until it is done writing to the EEPROM. For example if you do a software PWM for LED control, when you write to the EEPROM your LEDs will turn off for 100 to 200 ms. When it's done, everything resumes. Reading does not give you any problems.

  • @DjResR
    @DjResR 11 років тому +1

    Well microcontrollers can be reliable, if it has a reserve. My Takser-E (Made in Estonia, was used as remote reader for electrical meters) is based on a microcontroller with erasing window and it still works from 1995.

  • @dannybeckett01
    @dannybeckett01 11 років тому +2

    Those PICs have an internal PLLl Clock referenced from that external crystal, the core is probably running at about 70Mhz

  • @johnmcquay82
    @johnmcquay82 11 років тому

    Used to have a complete set of JBC rework/soldering kit. Brilliant stuff.

  • @carlosmillenium
    @carlosmillenium 11 років тому +2

    8:40 UE means "Unión Europea" in spanish (in english, European Union (EU)). That's because Crovisa is a spanish company.

  • @gavincurtis
    @gavincurtis 11 років тому +34

    The DSP allows MP3 playback while soldering. :P

    • @BillAnt
      @BillAnt 5 років тому +2

      And latest version also allows watching UA-cam on the LCD. xD

  • @joyange1
    @joyange1 11 років тому +2

    @ 14:42. I would not call that 4MHz lousy. Take a look at the PLL in that dsPIC chip.

  • @erikvanzwol9399
    @erikvanzwol9399 11 років тому +1

    It's possible the PIC is using the internal PLL, and not just running at the 4MHz that the oscillator is running at. However, I agree, why do you need all the horsepower of a dsPIC?

  • @thecrikster
    @thecrikster 11 років тому +3

    As a software dev who works in the embedded market, you made me chuckle when you said "bloody software". We say the same about systems guys. lol

  • @Afrotechmods
    @Afrotechmods 11 років тому +4

    contd: That's my perspective as a designer/prototyper. But anyone involved in production should buy one (or more!) without giving a second thought to it. For production use it makes anything else look like garbage.

  • @Tutoelectro1
    @Tutoelectro1 11 років тому +2

    Not everyday you see a Spanish quality product like that. You should mention it in the review :)

  • @CampKohler
    @CampKohler 11 років тому +1

    Should the buttons screw up after 20 years (which no replacements available), could you drill holes in the PCB and put in miniature discrete push buttons?
    Speaking of which, I would like you to design a standard touch-tile button circuit that could be configured for push-on-push-off, N.O. and N.C. It should reject RF and trash. The touch timing should be adjustable to require a definite and intentional touch (rejecting accidental brushes). A label display in the lighted tile would be great.

  • @joyange1
    @joyange1 11 років тому

    Remind me of those table-top telephones. There so light that they have to put lead weights in them to give them that feel and to make them stable on the table. The microphone on my ham radio is the same way.

  • @fellatwou
    @fellatwou 4 роки тому

    Interesting your take on Hakko not lasting. My 926 was purchased new in 1989 and the plastic body fell to pieces (brittle) after being used every day in my electronics repair shop. I rehoused the electronic control pcb & txformer in an hand made polished aluminium case held together with 316 stainless hex head m6 bolts. It is still operating perfectly 31 years on. Don't think just because you forked over a heap of cash for something it is necessarily that much better. Some things just aren't.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 років тому

    Lower impedance for the high current. Rule of thumb is typically 0.5A per via. or half that to be in the conservative side.

  • @JosephArata
    @JosephArata 11 років тому +1

    He put it back together later, I would assume. Did you not hear him say it was his best soldering iron?

  • @IonBasa
    @IonBasa 11 років тому

    YES, I can barely wait to see a new video from Dave!

  • @MrMartinZockt
    @MrMartinZockt 8 років тому +2

    I have one. And it is worth the money. My favorite tool on my bench.

  • @whitcwa
    @whitcwa 11 років тому

    Perhaps they use a linear supply because it is heavier and thus less likely to tip over. It also helps sales when a $400 soldering station has some heft.

  • @radikalq3
    @radikalq3 11 років тому +1

    JBC is a spanish brand, like Crovisa (for the transformer)

  • @envisionelec
    @envisionelec 11 років тому +1

    The dsPIC is great for PWM control - lots of built in routines.

  • @Bob_Burton
    @Bob_Burton 11 років тому +2

    Did they use a JBC CD-2BB to put this together do you think :-)

  • @camtheham13
    @camtheham13 8 років тому

    Just a note, the Hakko 951 has a separate stand and the iron sensing stand, maybe you should try and snag one of those for review, also the higher end precision jbc irons have the separate stands and iron sensor

  • @superiorbeing95
    @superiorbeing95 3 роки тому

    The Jabe version is excellent, been driving it daily and not a fart or sneeze, brill, love the PRC

  • @xasdrubalex
    @xasdrubalex 11 років тому +1

    Crovisa is a spanish company and in Spain is quite common that foreign words (Made in "country/union") tend to be "adapted" in a fancy way and UE stands for "Unión Europea" and that's perfectly fine in spanish.
    spanglish is not something releated just to the US ahah

  • @123456789robbie
    @123456789robbie 11 років тому

    if you prefer the detached holder, why not build one? you could have a look at how the automatic shutdown feature works and hack it to work wirelessly, or even not use it at all.

  • @xfran70
    @xfran70 11 років тому +1

    CROVISA transformers is a very common brand here in Spain

  • @stels7776
    @stels7776 5 років тому +2

    I work with JBC T210 & T245. LOVE IS.

  • @AbdullahKahramanPhD
    @AbdullahKahramanPhD 11 років тому

    It is via-stitching. You have parallel coppers that have electrically same net connection. You connect them with as much as vias you can so that they are like one trace.

  • @panbekon1470
    @panbekon1470 11 років тому +1

    DAVE...
    Earth grounding goes first throught the tape becouse it is connected to soldering tip throught this big white SMD fuse mounted on the board.
    Best regards,
    Krzysztof

  • @whiskeyify
    @whiskeyify 11 років тому

    I have a cheapie from mcm electronics, for $39.00. It heats up super fast but it dosen't have a sleep feature. Electronics is just a hobby for me now, so that's all I need.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 років тому

    Sure, if that's what he wants to do, good on him. I would not however recommend it to others.

  • @pmcouto
    @pmcouto 11 років тому

    Another great video!
    Thanks Dave!

  • @jaaasgoed
    @jaaasgoed 11 років тому

    Maybe 4 to 8 seconds depending on the size of the tip. I had one at my old job, really nice irons I must say.

  • @Desmaad
    @Desmaad 11 років тому +1

    I found out the company that makes this is based in Spain; Barcelona, to be precise.

  • @TheProCactus
    @TheProCactus 11 років тому

    im looking for the same thing and stumbled on this channel. I Watch a few vids out of order and was hooked. But watching them sequentially, Now it just looks like videos for the hell of it.
    Though he does make vids one can learn off every now and then.

  • @jfaria
    @jfaria 11 років тому

    I'm an AVR guy, but I always thought PICs were at least as good, so I was curious about your comment. The PIC16F87x datasheet claims a min. 100k and a typical 1M write cycles, isn't that pretty much the standard? That's at least around what Atmel claims in the devices I use.
    Regarding the external EEPROM, looking at the dsPIC33F datasheet at a glance it probably doesn't have one, I only find references to SRAM and Flash.
    Anyway, at less than 0,10USD per EEPROM in a 400USD unit who cares? :)

  • @MrToporkoff
    @MrToporkoff 7 років тому +1

    I buy JBC CD-2BE and try to work, it's super tool, unbelievable tool!!!

  • @tunahankaratay1523
    @tunahankaratay1523 5 років тому +2

    I watch this video, I get amazed at the quality, I want to build something similar and then I remember that I am an idiot without money and can't do such stuff.

  • @TheColinputer
    @TheColinputer 10 років тому

    Looks like a dam nice iron! But im with you about all the digital control. Ive got an old Weller unit ive had since i was a kid and moved from using the cheap $20 irons upto something better. And few times when i have been working on something when its been live and ive bumped it on the wrong thing or something and got a nice spark on the iron tip. And well the simple temp switch in the old unit couldnt care less. But one wonders how well a digitally controlled unit would go in that situation

  • @Bylga
    @Bylga 11 років тому

    Best teardowns on youtube!

  • @Afrotechmods
    @Afrotechmods 11 років тому +2

    cool!

  • @avsararas
    @avsararas 4 роки тому +1

    Coming from Hakko. This is a good iron system but has some weaknesses, if I was the designer I would do the system with:
    1- a tilting LCD for better viewing angles
    2- a front power switch, rear is not practical
    3- better insulation on the handle which gets hot
    4- a replaceable clear cover for the front, LCD and face section

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 років тому

    The videos have always been "random". That was the original concept of the channel.

  • @ChipGuy
    @ChipGuy 11 років тому

    What else can i say ? Thank Dave it's Tuesday, Thumbs up. At a first glance they look a bit cheap on the outside, but they are clearly serious good quality tools :)

  • @vytautasslenderis2702
    @vytautasslenderis2702 3 роки тому

    Always wondered why manufacturers make their stations so big. There is so much empty space inside! I made a station which feeds two irons using cheap Chinese controllers and it is three times smaller than this JBC. And no, I did not use switchmode power supply. I managed to fit a 240W toroidal transformer. Very happy about the result, barely takes any space on the bench. Why to waste all that space inside the iron!!!?

  • @ligius3
    @ligius3 11 років тому

    They might be using the same layout and parts for the USB version, it's cheaper to scale down than to redesign stuff. Just take a look at Rigol / Hantek.

  • @marter544
    @marter544 8 років тому +1

    The DSPic is problably used as a PID controller!

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 років тому +1

    Strata Title (it's on Wikiepdia) is the type of ownership on the building I'm in. I'm on the strata committee, so I have occasional meeting to attend.

  • @maderpl1
    @maderpl1 11 років тому

    Well, this pic has a 16-bit parallel port with DMA. I guess that is what is driving LCD.
    Not to mention 12 bit adc...
    by the way, dspic has internal frequency multiplier (PLL), so crystal oscillator does not indicate anything at all...

  • @275drago
    @275drago 11 років тому

    Still kinde new with microcontroler and programing this will be my first prject :) i started with pic and still learning but will also like to learn and arduino

  • @emmettturner9452
    @emmettturner9452 2 роки тому +1

    JBC Tools doesn’t seem to have a Wikipedia page and their website can’t even tell you where they are headquartered. You’d think that if they are so respected I’d be able to easily check their Wikipedia page to find out if they are American or not (Barcelona, Spain, apparently). Their own site’s “About Us” just calls them a “Global Company” and can’t even tell you where they were founded. Unreal!

    • @adredy
      @adredy 9 місяців тому +1

      Barcelona , tell me why is so expensive cost of prduction must be max 30$

  • @Akamaholic
    @Akamaholic 9 років тому +19

    if you need to solder parts to a soldering station, how was the first soldering station built?

    • @jackwhite3820
      @jackwhite3820 9 років тому +23

      +Akamaholic Obviously God made the first soldering station called Adam, and out of a resistor of Adam he made Eve, the first desoldering station.

    • @yorgle11
      @yorgle11 9 років тому

      +Akamaholic They used up a lot of matches that day.

    • @armanelgtron4533
      @armanelgtron4533 8 років тому

      +Akamaholic No circuit boards, just wires welded to a burner perhaps?

    • @UndercastEsmeganitrospeed
      @UndercastEsmeganitrospeed 8 років тому

      They called their employees and they holded wire together

    • @barismetin1014
      @barismetin1014 7 років тому

      if uC programs to uC how the first microcontroller was programmed?

  • @jfaria
    @jfaria 11 років тому

    UE is used in more places:
    Portugal: União Europeia
    Spain: Unión Europea
    France: Union européenne
    The manufacturer just got distracted, they were writing in English ("Made in") they probably meant to use EU.

  • @error079
    @error079 8 років тому +4

    Almost 3 years and still no review!

  • @simonspeaker
    @simonspeaker 4 роки тому

    it is all heat resistant plastic enclosure?

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  11 років тому

    I haven't tried the D version of that yet.

  • @snarkyboojum
    @snarkyboojum 11 років тому

    Another great teardown vid. I wonder if Dave moved away from Hakko irons because of his apparent disgust at the arse-backwards digital controls on the FX-888D :)

  • @tonttupc
    @tonttupc 11 років тому

    So the guys who make soldering irons, can also solder well?

  • @jamestonge5066
    @jamestonge5066 2 роки тому

    Will these soldering stations take both the T245 and C210 handles or do you have to buy separate machines for each handle, like the Aihun soldering stations, I fuckkk up and had to buy the two stations.

  • @douro20
    @douro20 11 років тому

    The 1BB is the same soldering station with a 120V transformer.

  • @Thomsonicus
    @Thomsonicus 11 років тому

    Thanks for the video. As usuall, very informative :-) Cheers from Poland! :-)

  • @ghammatx
    @ghammatx 11 років тому

    crazy how they put so much technology in just an iron solder, don't know if it's so useful... I have my old cheap iron, and I can work with it perfectly!

  • @GG96538
    @GG96538 11 років тому +1

    JBC and Spanish transformer. I love the PIC too :D
    We fail one more time: "Made in UE", oh c'mon Crovisa...

  • @olindk
    @olindk 11 років тому

    While the CE-mark indeed is incorrect, it doesn't really say anything about anything else than the fact that the "graphic designer" making that label did a lousy job - the logo can't really be fake... CE is normally a self-certification - a declaration from the manufacturer that the equipment meets the appropriate EC-directive requirements.

  • @gower1973
    @gower1973 11 років тому +2

    Noob question Dave, What is veer stitching?

    • @gerbil.
      @gerbil. 4 роки тому

      Via stitching is when vias are used to coupel or "stitch" multipel layers together to increse the amound of current that can run through, a via btw is a very tiny hole which is plated through with copper to connect one layer to anouther

  • @jorgealbertotrujillovazque5402
    @jorgealbertotrujillovazque5402 7 років тому +1

    como puedo reiniciar mi estacion si he cambiado erroneamente el pin ? espero puedan ayudarme

  • @Afrotechmods
    @Afrotechmods 11 років тому

    errr sorry my mistake the 120V version is CD-1BC

  • @alek202
    @alek202 11 років тому

    I know why you like the JBC - it as a PIC inside! I personally own the Ersa i-con 1, and it has an atmega128 inside. :P

  • @konradmannen
    @konradmannen 11 років тому

    I mean, why cant you just power it from the 230V? And one more thing, you do they regulate the power to the iron (temperature control)?

  • @SuperZylar
    @SuperZylar 11 років тому

    well i think your sense wire is in the thread of the holder bolt :)

  • @manueljesusfm
    @manueljesusfm 11 років тому

    Thanks for your videos ...

  • @EnigmaNL
    @EnigmaNL 10 років тому

    Where can I find the review on this? I'm unable to find it using the search on your channel!

  • @uladzimirloban2231
    @uladzimirloban2231 4 роки тому

    Question: Can the JBC CD-2BQE soldering station work with a T210 soldering iron or does it work only with a T245?

    • @Erolanya
      @Erolanya 4 роки тому +2

      t210 and t245 works on this station