Hey everyone, we made a mistake: it's a triad subpixel layout, NOT pentile. Pentile would result in a lower subpixel resolution, which the S95B doesn't suffer from. Our thanks @Gimils_Beard and @neoteriX for pointing this out in the comments.
The subpixel layout that QD-OLEDS use is a triad layout, not pentile. A pentile layout has the same shape of rgb stripes, but is in a RBGBR layout. The five stripes give the display it's name, pentile like pentagon. This is a pedantic argument for sure, but it's important to be specific and accurate in your language, especially with labs coming online.
I'm glad someone else caught this too. One of the big reasons PenTile was disliked in the early days of AMOLEDs and smartphones was because PenTile resulted in a lower subpixel resolution (1/3 fewer subpixels than traditional RGB) than a comparable LCD display with the same pixel resolution. This was particularly bad in the 720p display days, though it is no longer an issue with the current very high PPI smartphones. The issue with QD-OLED is different in that the subpixel resolution is not diminished at all (it is still RGB), but the arrangement of the subpixels have changed, from a stripe to triad.
The grey is due to the lack of a polarization layer. The lack of a polarization layer also greatly helps with OLED efficiency and is what gives QD-OLED its ultra-wide viewing angles.
@@icy1007 ... hm the tv seems to have a lot less glare problem and lights off or dimmed the performance is the same. Unless u watch a lot of movies during the day with daylight hitting right on ur screen ( seems unlikely) then id say the biggest factor in picking one of them is the price.
Yea love it when he pushes up against our tech review cervix and makes us call him tech zaddy. I thought I was the only one but I can’t be jealous there’s plenty of him to go around. Not in size but in spunk.
@Bruno Utech so isn't LG. In 2016 LG discontinued the EG line of OLEDs and launched the 6 series. (B6, C6, G6). Then they went to 7, 8, and 9 before going to the X. (CX). After X (spoken as "ten" btw...) they restarted at 1. So, C6 was launched in 2016 while the C1 was launched in 2021. This year, they are launching the C2. As for what they will do in 2026 when they come around to 6 again.... Your guess is as good as mine. C6².
@@mitahenare8901 no, criticism is an important part of life and is extremely important in making their (or anyone else's) videos better. I'm pretty sure LMG appreciates this type of criticism, as they already addressed one of the flaws (Confusion which subpixel layout QD OLED uses between Pentile and Triad)
It more than just that, at least on the 34" Alienware QD-OLED. The anti-glare coating has some kind of matte veil to it, making it look slightly like a matte screen. This is especially noticeable in certain SDR content like anime. The LG C2 has a superior picture because of it. Dont buy and compare a LG C2 if you want to keep your Alienware 34" QD-OLED...
Ah, I hope this turns into series called TV Wars or something. This is actually both funny, and interesting. Who knows, maybe with all the new TVs, we can actually buy some OLEDs from earlier videos.
Gee, your video has taken me down memory lane. I remember our 1st television in 1960 is was in a large wooden cabinet and when a tube went out we went to the grocery store to the tube tester and got a new tube to replace the one that was burnt out and we had television again. If a resistor or capacitor burnt out we could go to a electronic store after identifying the burnt out component by using liquid Freon and see what was blown, and get the part and repair it. Even thought the quality of the picture has improve over the year the ability of repair has gotten harder for the average person to repair electronics today. I don't want to go back to tube sets or solid state since the power consumption is really bad compared to today's electronics. It is rather cool to see how electronic have changed over the years from tubes to integrated circuits it has been a fun trip keeping up with tech.
Yeah I miss radio shack before they tried to become like best buy and went under. Fixed so many things myself for cheap and usually just gave it away as I just loved fixing things simply for the challenge
The reviews of the sony a95k QD OLED are already up now and they don't sound much promising and if you are a gamer then totally avoid it. And the hefty price makes it a deal breaker.
@@Jinwoosung-t6p Yes, because Sony Has insane prices. Same story whit Xiaomi dominating the mobile market, its only because they sell tons of cheap stuff.
$1,600 for a 65" C1 is absolutely insane. I bought my CX in October 2020 and I thought I got it for an absolute steal at $1,800, it's amazing how much more affordable they're becoming.
@@supaahflyy it only looks grey if theres a light shining at it directly and that’s still better than seeing a reflection on lg oleds because then you won’t be able to see what’s on the screen at all
I would like to see some LMG video comparing and going over the interface, remotes, apps, software, quality of life, ect... of all popular TV manufacturers. Including ones with roku built in or whatever smart OS they have. I have an LG at home and some the the menu design decisions are very annoying and we have Samsung at my place of work in our meeting rooms. what's the deal with all these hidden menus, and would like to know the opinion of LMG staff (and non tech ppl as well).
Personally I just buy an Apple TV (or Nvidia Shield if you run Android) and run that with my TVs so I don’t need to worry about the interface and I can focus on the panel quality and features (filmmaker mode, Dolby Vision, etc.)
These are of my favorite types of videos. I currently have a c1 but the brightness of the Samsung when I first saw it in person. Competition in the space is an amazing thing, and can only help the transition to better oleds. For now I am sticking with LG for the better user interface, and I do have pretty good light control so it is bright enough for me right now.
I've bought the LG C1 48" as my living room tv, and also use it as a computer monitor (with care), I do have a black solid background, taskbar hidden and I don't run it in HDR when using the computer regularly, and I have been super happy that I have I lost an inch from my Samsungs 49" super ultra wide monitor, the perfect blacks just makes it worth every penny. Samsung was an option, but what I heard about Samsung interface compared to LGs, it was a no brainer to go with the LG. Goes well with my LG soundbar too. EDIT: both my old monitor and the C1 are 120hz displays, but the OLED seems so so much smoother.
*"I have been super happy that I have I lost an inch from my Samsungs 49" super ultra wide monito"* You didn't lose anything -- you gained a whole bunch of display area. For any given diagonal measurement, the more rectangular the aspect ratio (the further away from a square), the lower the total area. Picture two displays that both have a 20" diagonal measurement, but one is a square and the other is 1" high. Same diagonal, yet the latter is just a little sliver with almost no area.
It will work fine. I have used my C9 for PC usage for 3+ years at this point with screensaver on 1 min. Zero burn-in at full brightness (yeah, really).
I've got a 65" C1 I've used as a PC screen/left playing UA-cam all the time, it's at about 3000 power-on hours. No burn-in on burn-in test videos, still looks great. I calibrated it with calman and an x-rite i1 display pro at 300 hours then again around 2000 and there was no meaningful drift to the calibration and no change on the light level.
Yeah, same story with my 48" C1, and I even play map games with static huds. Linus and Wendel only had a cross burn in because they did the exact thing everyone who's not stupid knows not to do and left 4 cornered windows with defined edges up nonstop.
So happy with my C1. Not for one moment I thought it lacked brightness, even with french doors open in a small room, it wasn't ever unwatchable. At night HDR contrast shift tends to nearly blind me.
God of War... once you get the fire weapons swing those bad boys around in a dark area and watch the TV's backlight rapidly flicker between full bright and minimal brightness. My TV has no local dimming, so it's Basic HDR. I turned on a ceiling light after noticing this.
It’s worth noting that the LG G1 and G2 both sport a 5 year warranty, longest on an OLED. It may just be LG blustering, but if we’re using warranties as a measure of manufacturer confidence it’s worth saying. Edit:FWIW the primary reason I made this comment is just because Linus noted Samsung's 3 year warranty on this TV as an indicator of how confident they are in the technology. So it's obviously worth saying that LG actually has a longer warranty if we're using that as an indication of anything. I'm not making any claims of how that reflects in actual panel performance.
I have a LG OLED tv, it had major burn in within 12 months. It was an basoulte nightmare trying to get it replaced & it tooks months. After it got replaced now it second one is doing the same thing.
@@hamidkarzai7096 This very much sounds like the tv was treated with heavy misuse ! ... I used my (known for being prone to burn in ) LG 65C7 for 16,600 hrs! by now (avg. of 9 hrs per day over 5 years) and all I can notice when using red and cyan test screens is a very faint burn in I can not see at all during normal watching ... e.g. a movie or similar.
@@marcuscole8796 I have no idea what heavy misuse even means. I just watch TV & stream stuff? To the best of my knowlage - i'm using it well within the manufactures specs & in fair use...
What splitter are they using? I need a good high quality splitter to retain the quality and speed of input when hooking up all my consoles to one TV and a capture card
Got a refurbished LG C9 at the beginning of 2020 and it's been amazing, the brightness is fine in a bright room and at night the screen is just incredible. So far no burn in and feel no need to upgrade for quite a while yet
I just purchased a C1, and I'm more than happy with it. I compared it to other higher end TVs and there was almost no difference in picture quality, but the price difference was just too much to justify the "better models".
I've got C1 as well and using it on 60% oled brightness already to have comfortable watching experience even on sunny days, which mean, if I've got C2, I would have to put it down to 45-50% to get similar result. I mean, there is no reason for me to compete for more nits.
@@tomassrubar4679 The extra brightness doesn't matter for regular content but it DOES matter for HDR. It looks fine at 100% OLED brightness but you don't realize it should look better unless you're comparing it to another set that has more brightness. In the end if you're not fixated on small details or use much HDR content, it's not a big deal.
@@overnightdelivery Have you seen the graphs and reviews? even in HDR, the peak brightness difference only apply for 10% or less of the screen, and it's only for a few seconds. The sustain peak brightness is still very low. Even in HDR, most content would not make a difference and the few that actually are noticeable, you would need to have it side by side to notice it. The peak brightness need way more sustain time to be actually an improvement. If you want an equivalent analogy, It's like moving from 240hz to 360hz. 240Hz is so good that the 360Hz is barely an improvement, and it's impossible to notice unless you have it side by side. In the other side, changing from 60hz to 144hz is very noticeable (like changing from TN to OLED).
@@ViXoZuDo I agree that the difference isn't as huge as some make it out to be. But to some people that small difference is a big deal. Overall I'd still take all the other advantages OLED has over some extra brightness and small details missing in some HDR scenes.
I've had one too for about 6 months but disappointed to see screen delamination happening. They look like air bubbles from not removing the protective film but it's actually a defect in one of the layers in the panel. I'm told this is rare but I don't know.. none of these bubbles existed when I first bought it. But they are getting bigger and larger in number over time. I did not buy an extended warranty because It's BS to spend an extra 200 dollars for it. But it seems things are purposely made cheap to make extended warranties a requirement these days.
@@Utkarsh_A Well not for Best Buy but probably good for the LG Warranty. I'm just not sure it's worth the hassle of sending it in and possibly having the same issues later. The bubbles are pretty invisible when the TV is on. It's only when you look up close or in certain lighting when the screen is black. But I'm worried it could become a problem I guess.
@@overnightdelivery Ahh okay I see, I don't know what it's like over there, but here in Australia most of the TV warranties from the company itself, they come out to you to replace or repair whatever needs to be repaired. Maybe give LG a call and see what they offer! Our family TV I had the panel on that replaced over 3 times as they all had some kind of an issue lol
I still have an LG C9 55 inch from December 2019, and to this very day, it is still going strong with no burn ins whatsoever. I do love to try QD-OLED soon, I can't wait.
@2:12 it's actually the opposite to what you said. You mean transmission efficiency rather then the diodes efficiency of generating photons. The QD allows a diode to be underrated and still give the same apparent brightness to the observer due to lower losses through the QD panel.
11:35 Her I am sitting, a European, thinking three years is somewhat of a standard warranty length. Many devices have it now - though two years is, by far, the norm still. A five or ten year warranty like I often see for RAM, PSUs, and many kitchen appliances is where I actually start to think: 'That's an outstanding warranty policy!'
I've had the Alienware QD-OLED monitor for a couple weeks now. For gaming, this thing is on a WHOLE OTHER LEVEL! It is beautiful. But as a software engineer who works from home a lot, text isn't quite as pleasant to look at all day for sure. And my only gripe with the monitor is that it has 2 systems in place to help combat burn in. Every 4 hours, it prompts you to run a ~5 minute pixel refresher (you can permanently hide the prompt and it will run automatically when the monitor next shuts off). And the really annoying one... Every 20 hours, prompts you to run a more aggressive pixel refresher that takes much longer. This prompt shows up and cannot be hidden. You have to hit 'OK' to start the process, then turn the monitor off and on in order to resume the game you were playing. Hopefully they patch it so the longer refresher just behaves like the shorter one and just goes automatically when I shut it off without prompting me.
*"...Every 4 hours, it prompts you to run a ~5 minute pixel refresher...Every 20 hours, prompts you to run a more aggressive pixel refresher..."* I have over 10,000 hours on a 2017 LG OLED55B7A (with literally _zero_ image retention). There is absolutely nothing normal about the Pixel Refresher behavior you are relating. That is utterly ridiculous and seems obviously a bug/glitch. The "minor" refresh should never interrupt you during usage, and the "full" refresh is actually destructive over the long run and should be run as absolutely sparingly as possible. For example, I have only run the full refresh _once_ in over 10,000 hours. It did work wonders (It actually made the regularity better than new), but it should not be used unless necessary. Either your "pixel refreshers" mean something entirely different than LG's, or something is not right with your OLED. Either way, it's an incredibly annoying "feature" that I would never, ever put up with. My display literally interrupting me during a gaming session? Lol...
@@bricaaron3978 Dunno, maybe Dell set them so aggressively since they know it will be used as monitors with more static images? The smaller refresher isn't bothersome at all. About once a day, the power LED will flash green for a couple minutes after I turn the monitor off to indicate it is doing its thing. But that bigger one that showed the prompt while raiding in WoW did really piss me off though. Maybe I misread something? I'll see how often that happens. If it has to do that once a week or something, fine. But I wish it would only prompt me when I hit the power button to shut it off, and ask if I wanted to do the longer one at that time.
@@bricaaron3978 Difference being that on PC Monitors you're looking at static images a lot of the time unless you're playing a game without a HUD. You're not looking at many static images when watching TV, and unless all you do is play games on it then burn-in isn't nearly as big of a deal.
@@Darion350 *"You're not looking at many static images when watching TV, and unless all you do is play games on it then burn-in isn't nearly as big of a deal."* I don't watch TV and literally can't remember the last time I did. The 10,000+ hours on my OLED55B7A are all as a PC monitor. The majority of the time in Windows. Image retention is a matter of proper operating procedures, and the most important one by far is brightness ('OLED Light' on an LG display).
It's worth remembering the G2 has a 5-year 'limited panel warranty', though I've heard this may be only in the US and UK markets, with 2 years elsewhere
OLED is getting cheaper every day, but obviously still expensive for casuals. But so are better LCD's. But these new 42" ones are ridiculously expensive now compared to almost half price 48" C1.
I would really appreciate a video that talks about every (or near every) Display type, I am still confused on what is better for what (the only thing I know is, that Smart Ink Displays are very great for E-Books)
Honestly I'd say you're best bet is a Quantum Dot LED/QLED/ULED screen. High brightness, very good contrast & color, and they last way longer than a OLED.
@@killerfugu2659 samsung will be the only qd oled supplier because it is their technology. Unless you mean suppliers of the gaming monitors, then yea. But the competition is there, there will be multiple new qd oled monitors coming out in the next year too since clearly people like and want it.
I have to admit I've always been happy with UA-cam and never felt a need to subscribe to FloatPlane but a rant from Anthony about trains might have me convinced to check it out.
I just ordered a LG G2 65 inch because i think it's more elegant and flush mounts on the wall. I also was afraid to get a bent Samsung S95B. I've seen multiple YT videos that highlight that problem.
@@JusticePrevailsG ..it’s bent on the sides and on top..I’m thinking about going with a Sony A80K this time around..Samsung has to do better with the build quality imo
@@kiellieferickson5506 Well, i guess to be able to offer a great quality image at thi price point, they need to cut somewhere. That is not a good thing. So that is regrettable for you. Nevertheless, it is an adequate decision for me. Thanks for sharing.
Been using a C9 55" as my main pc display since 2019, zero burn-in. Although unless i'm playing a game or movie in HDR my oled light level is usually between 0-20% depending on amount of sunlight coming in the room. If like me you can easily control amount of light in room or just have a dimly lit room, then imo even the C9's nits is more than adequate.
I still have a cheap 40" LED from 10 years ago. I was so worried about burn in with plasma, and that shifted to OLED. But that Sony Bravia QD OLED is looking very promising. Hope to see your review when it's released. Good job as always on these vids.
@@lucasrem yes, it's a TV. Good job. Maybe I'm done looking at a cheap TV and wish to upgrade now that I'm in a better financial situation? Maybe I feel 1080p 60fps just doesn't cut it anymore? Or maybe it's my TV, my house and my decision and has nothing to do with you?
@@HelenaOfDetroit That kind of dishonesty has always ticked me off, but in my opinion it's the media who are really responsible. The manufacturers will _try_ to get away with selling an LCD as an "LED", but it's up to the media as to whether they _get away_ with it. And essentially no one ever called them out on it. Now, please help me down from this soap box?
Shoutout to Visions, they're a Canadian electronics retailer and they have good stuff. I bought their in-house brand of speakers (Soundstage) for my 7.1 setup, I was blown away by the sound quality. I paid a fraction of the cost of a similar Polk/KEF setup they had in the showroom. I also bought my 77" LG C1 and Yamaha RX-A2A from Visions.
Agreed! Visions and Soundstage are fantastic, I get all my AV stuff from there and have been buying Soundstage's speakers since before they were part of Visions.
While I love to see all the content about the awesome panel tech that's coming-out, I have to say for me that within my price range a smooth user experience is more important. From what I've seen of friends' TVs, LG takes the W in this department by a country mile, but I'd love to see a video on LTT that compares each of the big players' (and some of the major budget brands') offerings on the UX front.
I've decided that I didn't "need that many nits in my mom's basement " and save a ton of money and went with the LG C1. It's phenomenal for my use case until I can buy a bigger QD-OLED next year!
I'm just over here with a C6 that is almost tan if you set it to a pure white screen, has a firefox web bar permanently burned in up top with an overlayed UA-cam logo, has about 3 or 4 different aiming reticles overlapping each other in the center, and has a combination of the HUD layout from Skyrim, Fallout 4, Cities Skylines, and Heroes of the Storm. At least the burned in aiming reticles make for some sweet quickscopes!
There honestly should be mention of the lg woled white pixel diluting colors when there are bright specular highlights. The brighter it gets the less color you will have on the lg. You wont have that issue with qd oled. Lg pushing it hard just means faster degredation even with a heatsink. The heatsink is really there to stop image rention of how hard lg is pushing it. Its a band aid for last gen tech. And lg microlens next iterations of woled is also a bigger bandaid...Qd oled is the future until true rgb oleds come out.
You took the words out of my mouth mate. LG using band aid on an old tech and the white sub pixel thing is still a thing. Looking forward for the release of eLEAP display by Japan Display for the consumer market (heard that it's already licensed to some Chinese company) or the next gen QD-OLED. Still enjoying my Sony LED until they find the winner of the consumer panel tech wars. Cheers mate.
Still loving my C9. I get that it technically has a lower brightness than other TVs. But in a dark room it is still able to actually make me squint my eyes during bright scenes. The low brightness is only really a problem during strong sunlight. Maybe I just haven't seen a better TV yet.
I am not only waiting for them to become affordable. I am waiting for them to become affordable at 'projector screen' sizes. Which means I am waiting for ever.
@@CaioEvertonTB oh yeah! Absolutely! White subtitles can actually be a pain. Luckily Netflix allows you to turn the subtitles yellow haha. That is what I did.
Just bought the 42" LG C2 version a few weeks ago because my old Sony Bravia died after almost 10 years. And i'm very happy with my first OLED. I don't even need to use brightness > 50% (besides HDR content ofc). Don't forget, higher brightness = higher power consumption, even more the bigger your panel is.
Like Linus said - Oled have the burnin problem - so wouldn’t use it for longtime desktop use. The image is great though. Testing the QN90B for longtime desktop use would be interesting.
@@vindvind *"Oled have the burnin problem - so wouldn’t use it for longtime desktop use"* That's false. Image retention ("burn-in") is not a problem with proper operating procedures. I have over 10,000 hours on a 2017 OLED55B7A with _zero_ burn-in. EDIT 7-10-22: Typo
@@bricaaron3978 I guess Linus is just lying for attention then. I personally have only experienced short term retention effects on my LG TV. I’m not sure what you mean by proper operating procedures - but it’s nice to know they exists. I just solved my issues by going back to more normal screen for pc and use the TV as a TV. And yes it is a great tv 😀
@@vindvind *"I guess Linus is just lying for attention then. "* What did he say? He's probably not lying, but it could be that he's misinformed, or that you misunderstood what he said.
Trust me, it’s not a factor. This coming from a C1 with Dolby Vision, to a s95b. You won’t miss Dolby vision. The color gamut, and brightness in HDR on the s95b more than make up for it. And HDR 10+ is just fine.
An actual power consumption at the wall, would have been interesting for these two. Near identical image quality, power usage would have been the tie breaker
I’m excited to see Sony’s implementation of QD-OLED in their A95K, their picture processing, Dolby Vision, Excellent color accuracy out of the box, and the addition of a heat sink (to hopefully prolong the health of the panel), all make for an excellent on paper type of tv
the massive bezel you see at the beginning of the comparison is due to pixel shift. not the actual bezel size. you will notice the bezel shrink later in the video. also samsung raised their blacks to preserve shadow details. oleds tends to crush blacks. pixels have a hard time coming out of black, so shadow details are lost. the only way to combat this is to raise the blacks. the only way to see if the pixels are turning off completely is to set it up in a pitch black room with no other light and play only a black screen and see if there is any glowing. If you have anything on the screen at all the screen will look black because of perceived brightness by the eyes. you can often see raised blacks when a tv show goes black for split second when it changes scene. if the pixels are turning off completely, your tv will disappear in a pitch black room. but if you have raised blacks, you can still see your tv glow slightly
Dealt with Samsung on a defective QN90A. If you've ever had any dealings with Samsung's support, the choice between the Samsung and the LG is the easiest choice you'll ever make: LG all the way.
Same experience here, but with a monitor. My Neo G9 was a mess and the customer support made me vow to never buy a Samsung product unless its from somewhere like BestBuy. It's really that bad. Never buy direct from Samsung.
Idk, I had a very pleasant experience with Samsung right before Covid with a mid range Samsung tv I bought in 2019. An HDMI port stopped working. Contacted support. They had tech support call me to troubleshoot and confirm that it was indeed defective. Took maybe 3 days from first contact to them emailing me that they were sending me a new TV. Took a few more days for them to deliver it and take away the old one. Original TV was bought off Amazon and was within the warranty period.
Linus I'm gonna be honest this is probably your finest presentation style so far. Such great timing. Makes it fun to watch and less difficult to absorb multiple facts. Also enjoy no-B(ia)S reviews so 2 gold stars. Thanks team! Sony QD can't wait for that. I try to avoid Samsung products if possible.
Not having Dolby Vision on the Samsung is still a deal breaker. Compared to regular HDR 10 its night and day difference. That leaves Sony and LG as the only high end options id be choosing.
Hi Lee, when would Dolby Vision be used? Is it with 4k HDR blu rays? All or some? i bought a lcd qled samsung (hdr 10+) but havent set it up yet. Likewise, is this hdr10+ thing on all 4k blurays? (are new 4k br encoded with a bunch of HDR formats on the disc? )
@@fredfinks Dolby Vision is applied to pretty much every Apply TV+ and Disney + release these days. A lot of blu-rays would have it also but not all. Majority of movies from iTunes to buy would also be 4K Dolby Vision/Atmos.
There's also the A95K(?) from Sony with the QD-OLED panel **and** heatsink. I find the android more usable too than tizen and you also get Dolby Vision. You loose HDR10+ though. I wish there where more TVs just supporting both like Panasonic does for example, with HDR10+ being an open(-ish) standard. I hope it'll be ubiquitous in the long run, to not lock everyone into one company (and it's feature set is nearly identical too anyway, while not being dependent on Dolby and potentially allowing creation by everyone)
@@aninditabasak7694 It's the same (from a technological standpoint, except the DoVi reference monitor of cause) and it's open and some movies just have HDR10+ (plus I find the HDR10+ masters often better)
3 year warranty for burn in? What a joke, not everyone can afford to spend $1,500 on a brand new display every 3 years. I still with keeping my monitors for 10+ years, thanks
being a regular viewer of Vincent teoh I can tell some of the inaccuracies in some of the information like having a DE of over 3 being noticeable by the naked eye, or the pentile layout what they used back in their S3 days either way go for the G1, or G2 if you want to spend the bucks
I bought the AW3423DW immediately after watching the video on it. I sit pretty close to mine, and at 125% Windows/KDE zoom I've never once noticed fringing or anything of that nature. I was super concerned before taking delivery but happy to report it seems to be overblown by a fair margin.
This was a really great video overall. As someone who has reviewed both the LG G2 and Samsung S95B QD OLED as well as put them side to side I think a lot of great observations and points were made within this video, well done! Thanks again for the work your entire crew puts in, you have truly been an inspiration for many creators including myself watching you since day 1! Looking forward to your Sony A95K video.
Honestly, this was an underwhelming video with some errors. First correction: PenTile means there are two subpixels per pixel, while QD-OLED panels have the normal RGB subpixels, just in a triangular layout. Secondly: The worse blacks on the S95B in daylight come from the lack of a polarizer, which was deliberately done to further boost efficiency. Additionally, some things are worth pointing out when comparing the G2 and the S95B: The G2 (like every WRGB OLED) suffers from white subpixel dilution effect, where colors wash out at higher brightness levels (the G2 can, however, somewhat mitigate this via software). Because of the "overclocked" nature of the G2, the overall color gamut is not nearly as high as older, less bright WRGB OLEDs. I also wish you would've touched upon white subpixel luminance overshoot on the G2 and the slight black smearing on the S95B.
I bought a LG C2 two months ago and have it in an extremely bright room. The brightness is more than enough the glare of the gloss screen is more of an issue, but nothing dropping the blinds can’t fix. I turned the energy saver off and noticed the brightness is even more which is absolutely stunning. I can’t recommend this tv enough, it is truly incredible.
I hope Linus took the opportunity to set up some kind of rail system in his living room to help make TV installation and removal quicker and easier, seeing as I'll eat my hat if he keeps _any_ TV in there for longer than a month. I know a compulsion when I see one.
For video watching, there isn't really any purpose to 16K. You'd need like a 90 or 120 degree curve to your monitor to benefit from that many pixels. 8K 960 Hz would be better 🙂
@@shadowxaf Is there any perceptible difference to framerates over 240hz either? At least 16K has some potential purposes that go beyond watching videos, like trading and security cameras.
I own an LG G2 OLED 82 Inches and I AM IN LOVE WITH IT. I play Battlefield, Assassin's Creed and let me tell you. With the lights off. Game on!!! This TV delivers and you as a gamer are looking for. Ah of course, I also have an XBOX series X to deliver performance...
Oh nice. I've been running a 42" LG C2 as a wall mounted monitor for my office/ gaming setup. Very happy with the fact that I am no longer using my old Sharp 1080p 42" TV.
As somebody who's been selling TVs for over a decade, the higher ambient grey of the QD OLED is an instant deal breaker. It's worse than late gen plasma
@@damienlobb85 I literally have the 65" set up as the store's prime demo piece, and the 55" on the wall right next to the C2. Especially in brighter rooms the Samsung gets washed out just like plasma used to
@@amaterasu_xo for me personally, in scenes where it is primarily dark, the extra brigthness of the newer screen actually hurts my eyes a bit in a fully dark room. I can see it being mcuh better for light room viewing though
@@mingyi456 there is a way to turn it down yes, but If you are primarily using it for dark room viewing you can save a decent chunk of money with the g1 over the g2s atm
@@Tehsheeeep I am just starting to watch the video, but I think maybe there may be a longevity advantage for the g2 if you tune it to match the g1 in brightness because of the additional cooling. Some people have speculated that burn in may be accelerated by high temperatures, not just high current used to drive the pixels. Of course, even if it were true, that alone may not be enough to justify the price difference.
I haven't noticed that greyness. having seen the sony a95k next to the a90j, might be something Samsung's doing with coating or not being able to use dolby vision. Having seen the s95b, qn95b, G2 and most other top models, the A95K just does something a bit more than all of them.
I love how the hipocrisy of frame rates has come full circle. It's a bitter sweet victory, but I'll take a W. "120hz hurts my eyes, gives me headaches" said no one in
Samsung’s terrible interface is enough to make the decision. I was in need of a TV for a conference room so was on the fence between the Samsung Frame and LG G1. Even with the massive price difference the Samsung’s terrible menu wasn’t worth the savings. I put a high value on my own frustration. I made the decision based on several thousand dollars difference. A few hundred makes it much easier.
Hey everyone, we made a mistake: it's a triad subpixel layout, NOT pentile. Pentile would result in a lower subpixel resolution, which the S95B doesn't suffer from. Our thanks @Gimils_Beard and @neoteriX for pointing this out in the comments.
Riley’s mom made a mistake by not swallowing.
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Hi Linus
Sounds like what Panasonic's been doing these past few years with their OLED's.
Certificate Labs moment
The subpixel layout that QD-OLEDS use is a triad layout, not pentile. A pentile layout has the same shape of rgb stripes, but is in a RBGBR layout. The five stripes give the display it's name, pentile like pentagon. This is a pedantic argument for sure, but it's important to be specific and accurate in your language, especially with labs coming online.
I'm glad someone else caught this too. One of the big reasons PenTile was disliked in the early days of AMOLEDs and smartphones was because PenTile resulted in a lower subpixel resolution (1/3 fewer subpixels than traditional RGB) than a comparable LCD display with the same pixel resolution. This was particularly bad in the 720p display days, though it is no longer an issue with the current very high PPI smartphones. The issue with QD-OLED is different in that the subpixel resolution is not diminished at all (it is still RGB), but the arrangement of the subpixels have changed, from a stripe to triad.
Yeah the layout is the same as with Samsung phones, subpixels are arranged in a triangular shape
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What are the different types of subpixel layouts
Lcd and ips 4k panel still have that scam around i think. Lot of 4k tv are rgbw.
Wonder if my cx48 is or not
The grey is due to the lack of a polarization layer. The lack of a polarization layer also greatly helps with OLED efficiency and is what gives QD-OLED its ultra-wide viewing angles.
And makes blacks appear grey... seems not worth it.
@@icy1007 in daylight
@@icy1007 ... hm the tv seems to have a lot less glare problem and lights off or dimmed the performance is the same. Unless u watch a lot of movies during the day with daylight hitting right on ur screen ( seems unlikely) then id say the biggest factor in picking one of them is the price.
@@brunolopes2205 no dolby vision either tho
@@icy1007 That's when you shine light on it. If you want deep blacks while watching movie just keep the lights dim
I love seeing Linus really go deep on new tech he's excited for like this. This is some of your best content.
who are you?
@@madd5 the true streaming tech God. BOW DOWN TO HIM NOW!
Yea love it when he pushes up against our tech review cervix and makes us call him tech zaddy.
I thought I was the only one but I can’t be jealous there’s plenty of him to go around. Not in size but in spunk.
He's not going to have sex with you.
@@Fee.1 QA loll ok
Super happy with my C1. I don't have a ton of natural light in my room so it's brightness is more than enough. It was a great upgrade from my C6.
@Bruno Utech so isn't LG. In 2016 LG discontinued the EG line of OLEDs and launched the 6 series. (B6, C6, G6). Then they went to 7, 8, and 9 before going to the X. (CX). After X (spoken as "ten" btw...) they restarted at 1. So, C6 was launched in 2016 while the C1 was launched in 2021. This year, they are launching the C2.
As for what they will do in 2026 when they come around to 6 again.... Your guess is as good as mine. C6².
Agreed. The C1 is a bangin tv!
I have a C7 from 2027.
Lol yeah the Samsung isn't vastly superior like Linus said.
I also drive a citroen c1. Nice car and very comfortable
The apparent grey in bright direct ambient light is due to the absence of the polariser on the Samsung as explained be HDTVTest.
good point. maybe scriptwriters forgot / didn't know.
@@N0N0111 Stop crying
@@mitahenare8901 no, criticism is an important part of life and is extremely important in making their (or anyone else's) videos better. I'm pretty sure LMG appreciates this type of criticism, as they already addressed one of the flaws (Confusion which subpixel layout QD OLED uses between Pentile and Triad)
Most people watch TV lights on and in day time, only for those deeper blacks and warranty i'm going with LG
It more than just that, at least on the 34" Alienware QD-OLED. The anti-glare coating has some kind of matte veil to it, making it look slightly like a matte screen. This is especially noticeable in certain SDR content like anime. The LG C2 has a superior picture because of it. Dont buy and compare a LG C2 if you want to keep your Alienware 34" QD-OLED...
Ah, I hope this turns into series called TV Wars or something. This is actually both funny, and interesting. Who knows, maybe with all the new TVs, we can actually buy some OLEDs from earlier videos.
bruh buy cheapest smarttv TV of ur wanted size from LG or other known brand and forget about other TV's for next 5 years.
@TronaCarpTunnel $1000 oled rn, lg c1
@TronaCarpTunnel What? That’s completely unrelated. That’s like saying cars are too expensive and that you can buy furniture instead. Like, no shit.
@TronaCarpTunnel compare the specs of the LG C1 to the latest gaming monitors, and you'll see the C1 is well worth the price!
I paid 900 for my c1 they went on sale when the c2 dropped! No regrets
Sitting here listening to Linus talk about quantum dots and overclocked TVs just really makes me appreciate the future we live in
Deadass. I remember my first 32inch plasma TV thinking it was so freaking cool and look where we are now. 300$ 4k tvs.
@@MySkybreaker just about enjoying what you have. Sounds like you did!
Inflation sucks
Lol but actually theres not much future to be had if you knew whats going on on earth
@@HDReMaster there's always that one weirdo that needs to make things political
Gee, your video has taken me down memory lane. I remember our 1st television in 1960 is was in a large wooden cabinet and when a tube went out we went to the grocery store to the tube tester and got a new tube to replace the one that was burnt out and we had television again. If a resistor or capacitor burnt out we could go to a electronic store after identifying the burnt out component by using liquid Freon and see what was blown, and get the part and repair it. Even thought the quality of the picture has improve over the year the ability of repair has gotten harder for the average person to repair electronics today. I don't want to go back to tube sets or solid state since the power consumption is really bad compared to today's electronics. It is rather cool to see how electronic have changed over the years from tubes to integrated circuits it has been a fun trip keeping up with tech.
Yeah I miss radio shack before they tried to become like best buy and went under. Fixed so many things myself for cheap and usually just gave it away as I just loved fixing things simply for the challenge
I'm looking forward to seeing this magnificent QD-OLED tech in a Sony set. Their Dolby Vision support and superb processing!
I agree, Sony has a better overall in terms of "experience"
sony is old news
Samsung and LG has 48 percent of world market share.
The reviews of the sony a95k QD OLED are already up now and they don't sound much promising and if you are a gamer then totally avoid it. And the hefty price makes it a deal breaker.
@@pocketanime all sony have is the brand name...
@@Jinwoosung-t6p Yes, because Sony Has insane prices. Same story whit Xiaomi dominating the mobile market, its only because they sell tons of cheap stuff.
$1,600 for a 65" C1 is absolutely insane. I bought my CX in October 2020 and I thought I got it for an absolute steal at $1,800, it's amazing how much more affordable they're becoming.
meanwhile my TV is worth around $16
Found an open box 55” C1 for $890 a couple months ago. Had to scoop it up
I bought my LG CX for 850€ last year, summer. Was used for a few weeks but was in new condition.
It's last year's model and it's around $600 cheaper, really doesn't seem like a big deal
@@-SP. it's a big deal because the price is coming down. Even former year models were still straddling $2k.
The Gray is actually a lack of a polarizing later on the S95b.
Love the Quake 3 Arena profile pic.
But does it still look grey? I wouldn't accept that as an 'oled' because I want full black if I buy that
@@supaahflyy it is true black. The pixel is turned off. The seemingly grey black is reflected light from the room the TV is in.
@@supaahflyy it only looks grey if theres a light shining at it directly and that’s still better than seeing a reflection on lg oleds because then you won’t be able to see what’s on the screen at all
@@kr19569 Love the game and Quake Live
I would like to see some LMG video comparing and going over the interface, remotes, apps, software, quality of life, ect... of all popular TV manufacturers. Including ones with roku built in or whatever smart OS they have. I have an LG at home and some the the menu design decisions are very annoying and we have Samsung at my place of work in our meeting rooms. what's the deal with all these hidden menus, and would like to know the opinion of LMG staff (and non tech ppl as well).
Yea, the way some reviews rant about the interface is very important. If the menu is stupid, it's not even worth buying
I think most people would pay MORE for a dumb TV at this point...
@@ReviloYaj Android/Google TV actually has a dumb mode that can be enabled.
Personally I just buy an Apple TV (or Nvidia Shield if you run Android) and run that with my TVs so I don’t need to worry about the interface and I can focus on the panel quality and features (filmmaker mode, Dolby Vision, etc.)
@@ReviloYaj lmao only if they're a moron. Just turn off the smart features.
Getting my LG C1 delivered today. Just had to jump on a deal to buy the 55 inch for 960 euros here in Europe
These are of my favorite types of videos. I currently have a c1 but the brightness of the Samsung when I first saw it in person. Competition in the space is an amazing thing, and can only help the transition to better oleds. For now I am sticking with LG for the better user interface, and I do have pretty good light control so it is bright enough for me right now.
I've bought the LG C1 48" as my living room tv, and also use it as a computer monitor (with care), I do have a black solid background, taskbar hidden and I don't run it in HDR when using the computer regularly, and I have been super happy that I have I lost an inch from my Samsungs 49" super ultra wide monitor, the perfect blacks just makes it worth every penny. Samsung was an option, but what I heard about Samsung interface compared to LGs, it was a no brainer to go with the LG. Goes well with my LG soundbar too.
EDIT: both my old monitor and the C1 are 120hz displays, but the OLED seems so so much smoother.
Also picked up the C1 for just 1k, it's amazing and i'm not seeing myself upgrade it in quiet some years
*"I have been super happy that I have I lost an inch from my Samsungs 49" super ultra wide monito"*
You didn't lose anything -- you gained a whole bunch of display area. For any given diagonal measurement, the more rectangular the aspect ratio (the further away from a square), the lower the total area.
Picture two displays that both have a 20" diagonal measurement, but one is a square and the other is 1" high. Same diagonal, yet the latter is just a little sliver with almost no area.
It will work fine. I have used my C9 for PC usage for 3+ years at this point with screensaver on 1 min. Zero burn-in at full brightness (yeah, really).
I've got a 65" C1 I've used as a PC screen/left playing UA-cam all the time, it's at about 3000 power-on hours. No burn-in on burn-in test videos, still looks great. I calibrated it with calman and an x-rite i1 display pro at 300 hours then again around 2000 and there was no meaningful drift to the calibration and no change on the light level.
Yeah, same story with my 48" C1, and I even play map games with static huds. Linus and Wendel only had a cross burn in because they did the exact thing everyone who's not stupid knows not to do and left 4 cornered windows with defined edges up nonstop.
@@joemarais7683 So, if I would full screen my stuff, like the browser, I should be fine, right? tempting to get a 48" or 42"
Brave soul. I see plenty of people that just use them as TVs and suffer burn-in within 2-3 years.
Same over 3000 hrs as a pc monitor not a spec of burn in or dead pixels
@@jtm94 The TV hasn't been out for '2-3 years'...
So happy with my C1. Not for one moment I thought it lacked brightness, even with french doors open in a small room, it wasn't ever unwatchable. At night HDR contrast shift tends to nearly blind me.
I've turned HDR off on some games for my G1. It's like going from 100% brightness on my phone to 25% brightness in an instant.
God of War... once you get the fire weapons swing those bad boys around in a dark area and watch the TV's backlight rapidly flicker between full bright and minimal brightness. My TV has no local dimming, so it's Basic HDR.
I turned on a ceiling light after noticing this.
@@Nicholas_Steel If your TV has a backlight it's not an OLED, and thus I'm not sure what it has to do with this discussion.
@@bricaaron3978 You're right, was just commenting on the last sentence of Raphael de Paula's message.
Personally I'm not a fan of a super bright TV. I have a C1 too and always turn the brightness down way more than the recommended settings.
Just bought a 65 LG C2 OLED and I LOVE it for gaming, shows look a little dark but I like it
Watching this on my CX. I snatched it for just under a grand (€). Thank you for the high production quality. It's a joy to watch on an OLED.
im pretty sure we all have a love and hate relationship with LG Tvs sometimes.
wdym
How come?
@@nfslpu vague reasons
Samsung UI and quirky connectivity aren't something to brag either
No I love that I have to set input to PC again every single time reconnect my Laptop. I also love that game mode is locked to sRGB
It’s worth noting that the LG G1 and G2 both sport a 5 year warranty, longest on an OLED. It may just be LG blustering, but if we’re using warranties as a measure of manufacturer confidence it’s worth saying.
Edit:FWIW the primary reason I made this comment is just because Linus noted Samsung's 3 year warranty on this TV as an indicator of how confident they are in the technology. So it's obviously worth saying that LG actually has a longer warranty if we're using that as an indication of anything. I'm not making any claims of how that reflects in actual panel performance.
I have a LG OLED tv, it had major burn in within 12 months. It was an basoulte nightmare trying to get it replaced & it tooks months. After it got replaced now it second one is doing the same thing.
@@hamidkarzai7096 ...what exactly burnt into your screen in that timeframe? I've had my C9 for 2~ years now with no issues.
@@hamidkarzai7096 i assume it's an older one, as I have never seen a new LG oled with burn in at all.
only image retention which is easily cleared.
@@hamidkarzai7096 This very much sounds like the tv was treated with heavy misuse ! ... I used my (known for being prone to burn in ) LG 65C7 for 16,600 hrs! by now (avg. of 9 hrs per day over 5 years) and all I can notice when using red and cyan test screens is a very faint burn in I can not see at all during normal watching ... e.g. a movie or similar.
@@marcuscole8796 I have no idea what heavy misuse even means.
I just watch TV & stream stuff?
To the best of my knowlage - i'm using it well within the manufactures specs & in fair use...
What splitter are they using? I need a good high quality splitter to retain the quality and speed of input when hooking up all my consoles to one TV and a capture card
You need an av receiver
Got a refurbished LG C9 at the beginning of 2020 and it's been amazing, the brightness is fine in a bright room and at night the screen is just incredible. So far no burn in and feel no need to upgrade for quite a while yet
Thank! This is a great video! Can not wait for you to test out the 42"OLD LG.
I'll get on board with the samsung QD oled when they can put it in affordable tvs like LG managed to do.
2-5 years i guess.
from my undestanding QD oleds are actually simpler to produce, so once it's matured it will probably be cheaper than w-oled.
the pricing is actually similar to the lg, and cheaper than the lg G2, the one compared to in the video
@@suly3243 he is talking about LG's A and B series. A2 is (finally) HDMI 2.1 120hz with VRR for way lower price than LG G or Samsung QD Oled
It really that isnt far off in price. And once the 2023 QD Oleds come out the s95b will be about the same price as a C2
I just purchased a C1, and I'm more than happy with it. I compared it to other higher end TVs and there was almost no difference in picture quality, but the price difference was just too much to justify the "better models".
I've got C1 as well and using it on 60% oled brightness already to have comfortable watching experience even on sunny days, which mean, if I've got C2, I would have to put it down to 45-50% to get similar result. I mean, there is no reason for me to compete for more nits.
@@tomassrubar4679 The extra brightness doesn't matter for regular content but it DOES matter for HDR. It looks fine at 100% OLED brightness but you don't realize it should look better unless you're comparing it to another set that has more brightness. In the end if you're not fixated on small details or use much HDR content, it's not a big deal.
@@tomassrubar4679 Have you disabled energy saving? Every single review said that after disabling it, you could reduce the brightness.
@@overnightdelivery Have you seen the graphs and reviews? even in HDR, the peak brightness difference only apply for 10% or less of the screen, and it's only for a few seconds. The sustain peak brightness is still very low.
Even in HDR, most content would not make a difference and the few that actually are noticeable, you would need to have it side by side to notice it. The peak brightness need way more sustain time to be actually an improvement.
If you want an equivalent analogy, It's like moving from 240hz to 360hz. 240Hz is so good that the 360Hz is barely an improvement, and it's impossible to notice unless you have it side by side. In the other side, changing from 60hz to 144hz is very noticeable (like changing from TN to OLED).
@@ViXoZuDo I agree that the difference isn't as huge as some make it out to be. But to some people that small difference is a big deal. Overall I'd still take all the other advantages OLED has over some extra brightness and small details missing in some HDR scenes.
I got a 48” C1 OLED and I’m super happy with it. Glad to know that when I eventually need an update QDOLED will be cheap and readily available.
I've had one too for about 6 months but disappointed to see screen delamination happening. They look like air bubbles from not removing the protective film but it's actually a defect in one of the layers in the panel. I'm told this is rare but I don't know.. none of these bubbles existed when I first bought it. But they are getting bigger and larger in number over time. I did not buy an extended warranty because It's BS to spend an extra 200 dollars for it. But it seems things are purposely made cheap to make extended warranties a requirement these days.
@@overnightdelivery If it's only 6 months old don't you still have another 6 months left on the warranty ?
@@Utkarsh_A Well not for Best Buy but probably good for the LG Warranty. I'm just not sure it's worth the hassle of sending it in and possibly having the same issues later. The bubbles are pretty invisible when the TV is on. It's only when you look up close or in certain lighting when the screen is black. But I'm worried it could become a problem I guess.
@@overnightdelivery Ahh okay I see, I don't know what it's like over there, but here in Australia most of the TV warranties from the company itself, they come out to you to replace or repair whatever needs to be repaired. Maybe give LG a call and see what they offer! Our family TV I had the panel on that replaced over 3 times as they all had some kind of an issue lol
I still have an LG C9 55 inch from December 2019, and to this very day, it is still going strong with no burn ins whatsoever. I do love to try QD-OLED soon, I can't wait.
@2:12 it's actually the opposite to what you said. You mean transmission efficiency rather then the diodes efficiency of generating photons. The QD allows a diode to be underrated and still give the same apparent brightness to the observer due to lower losses through the QD panel.
"you know what's almost identical" this segue to our sponsors. That's where I thought it was going and we were already past the sponsor.
11:35 Her I am sitting, a European, thinking three years is somewhat of a standard warranty length. Many devices have it now - though two years is, by far, the norm still. A five or ten year warranty like I often see for RAM, PSUs, and many kitchen appliances is where I actually start to think: 'That's an outstanding warranty policy!'
1 year warranty IS NOT enough for any OLED. I repair LG televisions and because of that I have zero plans of buying an OLED for the moment.
@@jtm94 It is also not legal in a lot of countries to have such a short warranty for such an expensive device.
I've had the Alienware QD-OLED monitor for a couple weeks now. For gaming, this thing is on a WHOLE OTHER LEVEL! It is beautiful. But as a software engineer who works from home a lot, text isn't quite as pleasant to look at all day for sure.
And my only gripe with the monitor is that it has 2 systems in place to help combat burn in. Every 4 hours, it prompts you to run a ~5 minute pixel refresher (you can permanently hide the prompt and it will run automatically when the monitor next shuts off). And the really annoying one... Every 20 hours, prompts you to run a more aggressive pixel refresher that takes much longer. This prompt shows up and cannot be hidden. You have to hit 'OK' to start the process, then turn the monitor off and on in order to resume the game you were playing. Hopefully they patch it so the longer refresher just behaves like the shorter one and just goes automatically when I shut it off without prompting me.
Man, that would be enough for me to not touch it with a 10ft pole.
*"...Every 4 hours, it prompts you to run a ~5 minute pixel refresher...Every 20 hours, prompts you to run a more aggressive pixel refresher..."*
I have over 10,000 hours on a 2017 LG OLED55B7A (with literally _zero_ image retention). There is absolutely nothing normal about the Pixel Refresher behavior you are relating. That is utterly ridiculous and seems obviously a bug/glitch.
The "minor" refresh should never interrupt you during usage, and the "full" refresh is actually destructive over the long run and should be run as absolutely sparingly as possible. For example, I have only run the full refresh _once_ in over 10,000 hours. It did work wonders (It actually made the regularity better than new), but it should not be used unless necessary.
Either your "pixel refreshers" mean something entirely different than LG's, or something is not right with your OLED. Either way, it's an incredibly annoying "feature" that I would never, ever put up with. My display literally interrupting me during a gaming session? Lol...
@@bricaaron3978 Dunno, maybe Dell set them so aggressively since they know it will be used as monitors with more static images?
The smaller refresher isn't bothersome at all. About once a day, the power LED will flash green for a couple minutes after I turn the monitor off to indicate it is doing its thing.
But that bigger one that showed the prompt while raiding in WoW did really piss me off though. Maybe I misread something? I'll see how often that happens. If it has to do that once a week or something, fine. But I wish it would only prompt me when I hit the power button to shut it off, and ask if I wanted to do the longer one at that time.
@@bricaaron3978 Difference being that on PC Monitors you're looking at static images a lot of the time unless you're playing a game without a HUD. You're not looking at many static images when watching TV, and unless all you do is play games on it then burn-in isn't nearly as big of a deal.
@@Darion350 *"You're not looking at many static images when watching TV, and unless all you do is play games on it then burn-in isn't nearly as big of a deal."*
I don't watch TV and literally can't remember the last time I did.
The 10,000+ hours on my OLED55B7A are all as a PC monitor. The majority of the time in Windows. Image retention is a matter of proper operating procedures, and the most important one by far is brightness ('OLED Light' on an LG display).
It's crazy how in the TV and monitor reviews the differences are only visible when putting them side by side
It's worth remembering the G2 has a 5-year 'limited panel warranty', though I've heard this may be only in the US and UK markets, with 2 years elsewhere
I'm just waiting for the day OLEDs become more affordable.
thats already happening
Already have i got my 65inch LG CX open box 5 months ago for only 1400! Plus a 5 year warranty from bestbuy
That day has already come
I paid 2500 for a 75“ oled CX last year. Pretty cheap for a 75“ oled LG
OLED is getting cheaper every day, but obviously still expensive for casuals. But so are better LCD's.
But these new 42" ones are ridiculously expensive now compared to almost half price 48" C1.
I would really appreciate a video that talks about every (or near every) Display type, I am still confused on what is better for what (the only thing I know is, that Smart Ink Displays are very great for E-Books)
Honestly I'd say you're best bet is a Quantum Dot LED/QLED/ULED screen. High brightness, very good contrast & color, and they last way longer than a OLED.
Moved to OLED last year and seeing the competition really heating up is nice. We need the same on the gaming monitor side too.
Qd oled is on gaming monitors now as well. Is that not competition?
@@propersod2390 1 gaming monitor with OLED is a start, but not really competition. Would like to see some different sizes, res, more suppliers etc
@@killerfugu2659 samsung will be the only qd oled supplier because it is their technology. Unless you mean suppliers of the gaming monitors, then yea. But the competition is there, there will be multiple new qd oled monitors coming out in the next year too since clearly people like and want it.
Oled Heating up?
I see what you did there.
I have to admit I've always been happy with UA-cam and never felt a need to subscribe to FloatPlane but a rant from Anthony about trains might have me convinced to check it out.
Genuinely considering that floatplane subscription just for Anthony's rant on trains, that sounds amazing
I am glad to be a part of the LGTV community
I would be happier if mine didn't keep turning off eARC.
@@alexatkin Really? I’ve had an LG G1 for a couple months now and have never had an issue with eARC. What are you experiencing?
lol
new tv NO, I still find the CX is the best for retro gaming and modem gaming
I didn't realise there was a TV fan club?...
I just ordered a LG G2 65 inch because i think it's more elegant and flush mounts on the wall. I also was afraid to get a bent Samsung S95B. I've seen multiple YT videos that highlight that problem.
I’m getting rid of my S95Bent for a LG G2
@@kiellieferickson5506 why?
@@JusticePrevailsG ..it’s bent on the sides and on top..I’m thinking about going with a Sony A80K this time around..Samsung has to do better with the build quality imo
@@kiellieferickson5506 Well, i guess to be able to offer a great quality image at thi price point, they need to cut somewhere. That is not a good thing. So that is regrettable for you. Nevertheless, it is an adequate decision for me. Thanks for sharing.
Been using a C9 55" as my main pc display since 2019, zero burn-in. Although unless i'm playing a game or movie in HDR my oled light level is usually between 0-20% depending on amount of sunlight coming in the room. If like me you can easily control amount of light in room or just have a dimly lit room, then imo even the C9's nits is more than adequate.
0-20% OLED light, wtf is wrong with you... You must have the most dim looking OLED on the planet and your HDR performance will be garbage
Wow 20% is so low lol but yeah I agree the Samsung is overrated
Your content these days are next level to what you produced even a year ago. Extremely watchable and informative. Keep it up.
I still have a cheap 40" LED from 10 years ago. I was so worried about burn in with plasma, and that shifted to OLED. But that Sony Bravia QD OLED is looking very promising. Hope to see your review when it's released. Good job as always on these vids.
@@lucasrem yes, it's a TV. Good job. Maybe I'm done looking at a cheap TV and wish to upgrade now that I'm in a better financial situation? Maybe I feel 1080p 60fps just doesn't cut it anymore?
Or maybe it's my TV, my house and my decision and has nothing to do with you?
*"I still have a cheap 40" LED from 10 years ago."*
I assume that you mean you have a 40" _LCD with an LED backlight?_
@@bricaaron3978 I believe so, yes.
@@HelenaOfDetroit That kind of dishonesty has always ticked me off, but in my opinion it's the media who are really responsible. The manufacturers will _try_ to get away with selling an LCD as an "LED", but it's up to the media as to whether they _get away_ with it. And essentially no one ever called them out on it.
Now, please help me down from this soap box?
Shoutout to Visions, they're a Canadian electronics retailer and they have good stuff. I bought their in-house brand of speakers (Soundstage) for my 7.1 setup, I was blown away by the sound quality. I paid a fraction of the cost of a similar Polk/KEF setup they had in the showroom. I also bought my 77" LG C1 and Yamaha RX-A2A from Visions.
Agreed! Visions and Soundstage are fantastic, I get all my AV stuff from there and have been buying Soundstage's speakers since before they were part of Visions.
While I love to see all the content about the awesome panel tech that's coming-out, I have to say for me that within my price range a smooth user experience is more important. From what I've seen of friends' TVs, LG takes the W in this department by a country mile, but I'd love to see a video on LTT that compares each of the big players' (and some of the major budget brands') offerings on the UX front.
I've decided that I didn't "need that many nits in my mom's basement " and save a ton of money and went with the LG C1. It's phenomenal for my use case until I can buy a bigger QD-OLED next year!
1:13 Is that a Video Copilot style Sun? Damn, I haven't seen one in so many years.
I'm just over here with a C6 that is almost tan if you set it to a pure white screen, has a firefox web bar permanently burned in up top with an overlayed UA-cam logo, has about 3 or 4 different aiming reticles overlapping each other in the center, and has a combination of the HUD layout from Skyrim, Fallout 4, Cities Skylines, and Heroes of the Storm.
At least the burned in aiming reticles make for some sweet quickscopes!
Great review. You forgot the mention that the G2 has a 5 year warranty
There honestly should be mention of the lg woled white pixel diluting colors when there are bright specular highlights. The brighter it gets the less color you will have on the lg. You wont have that issue with qd oled. Lg pushing it hard just means faster degredation even with a heatsink. The heatsink is really there to stop image rention of how hard lg is pushing it. Its a band aid for last gen tech. And lg microlens next iterations of woled is also a bigger bandaid...Qd oled is the future until true rgb oleds come out.
You took the words out of my mouth mate. LG using band aid on an old tech and the white sub pixel thing is still a thing. Looking forward for the release of eLEAP display by Japan Display for the consumer market (heard that it's already licensed to some Chinese company) or the next gen QD-OLED. Still enjoying my Sony LED until they find the winner of the consumer panel tech wars. Cheers mate.
Still loving my C9. I get that it technically has a lower brightness than other TVs. But in a dark room it is still able to actually make me squint my eyes during bright scenes.
The low brightness is only really a problem during strong sunlight.
Maybe I just haven't seen a better TV yet.
Same got a 2019 55 inch
I am not only waiting for them to become affordable. I am waiting for them to become affordable at 'projector screen' sizes. Which means I am waiting for ever.
C9 is pretty bright. It's brighter than the CX.
Yeah white subtitles can be eye-searing on the C9, so I'm always curious about how different is HDR in these new sets watching at TV.
@@CaioEvertonTB oh yeah! Absolutely! White subtitles can actually be a pain. Luckily Netflix allows you to turn the subtitles yellow haha. That is what I did.
Just bought the 42" LG C2 version a few weeks ago because my old Sony Bravia died after almost 10 years. And i'm very happy with my first OLED. I don't even need to use brightness > 50% (besides HDR content ofc). Don't forget, higher brightness = higher power consumption, even more the bigger your panel is.
I got a c1 back in April. Super happy with it.
I just bought the Lg c2
Would love to see a comparison of 42-43" TVs used as PC monitors , like LG C2 42" vs Sony A90K 42" vs Samsung QN90B 43"
Is immersion important to you?
Like Linus said - Oled have the burnin problem - so wouldn’t use it for longtime desktop use. The image is great though.
Testing the QN90B for longtime desktop use would be interesting.
@@vindvind *"Oled have the burnin problem - so wouldn’t use it for longtime desktop use"*
That's false. Image retention ("burn-in") is not a problem with proper operating procedures. I have over 10,000 hours on a 2017 OLED55B7A with _zero_ burn-in.
EDIT 7-10-22: Typo
@@bricaaron3978 I guess Linus is just lying for attention then.
I personally have only experienced short term retention effects on my LG TV.
I’m not sure what you mean by proper operating procedures - but it’s nice to know they exists. I just solved my issues by going back to more normal screen for pc and use the TV as a TV. And yes it is a great tv 😀
@@vindvind *"I guess Linus is just lying for attention then. "*
What did he say? He's probably not lying, but it could be that he's misinformed, or that you misunderstood what he said.
The lack of Dolby Vision on the Samsung is by itself reason to get the LG. I'm surprised this wasn't brought up in the video.
It was, but indirectly at 06:54. Because they mentioned it specifically in the Samsung review from a few days ago.
Trust me, it’s not a factor. This coming from a C1 with Dolby Vision, to a s95b. You won’t miss Dolby vision. The color gamut, and brightness in HDR on the s95b more than make up for it. And HDR 10+ is just fine.
Got the g2 was in-between to the new sony a95k and couldn’t be happier. Had a toshiba led tv for. Almost 7 years so yeah …quite the difference 😅
seeing AMD sponsor a video it's always a surprise
I'm still using a plasma TV...
I still have my dlp for my ps4 and my eyes can't see why I need an upgrade. I guess these issues are for actual gamers
An actual power consumption at the wall, would have been interesting for these two. Near identical image quality, power usage would have been the tie breaker
Nah, Samsungs dumpster tier menus are an easy tie breaker.
Do people who buy the most expensive TVs really care about power draw? it's not an issue
@@HolySorcerer They are no different then LG’s 🙃
I’m excited to see Sony’s implementation of QD-OLED in their A95K, their picture processing, Dolby Vision, Excellent color accuracy out of the box, and the addition of a heat sink (to hopefully prolong the health of the panel), all make for an excellent on paper type of tv
Just bought and S95B. With Q Symphony its awesome.
the massive bezel you see at the beginning of the comparison is due to pixel shift. not the actual bezel size. you will notice the bezel shrink later in the video. also samsung raised their blacks to preserve shadow details. oleds tends to crush blacks. pixels have a hard time coming out of black, so shadow details are lost. the only way to combat this is to raise the blacks. the only way to see if the pixels are turning off completely is to set it up in a pitch black room with no other light and play only a black screen and see if there is any glowing. If you have anything on the screen at all the screen will look black because of perceived brightness by the eyes. you can often see raised blacks when a tv show goes black for split second when it changes scene. if the pixels are turning off completely, your tv will disappear in a pitch black room. but if you have raised blacks, you can still see your tv glow slightly
Dealt with Samsung on a defective QN90A. If you've ever had any dealings with Samsung's support, the choice between the Samsung and the LG is the easiest choice you'll ever make: LG all the way.
Same experience here, but with a monitor. My Neo G9 was a mess and the customer support made me vow to never buy a Samsung product unless its from somewhere like BestBuy.
It's really that bad. Never buy direct from Samsung.
Idk, I had a very pleasant experience with Samsung right before Covid with a mid range Samsung tv I bought in 2019. An HDMI port stopped working. Contacted support. They had tech support call me to troubleshoot and confirm that it was indeed defective. Took maybe 3 days from first contact to them emailing me that they were sending me a new TV. Took a few more days for them to deliver it and take away the old one. Original TV was bought off Amazon and was within the warranty period.
It's not really notably any worse on their tvs. Bad luck I suppose
LG doesnt have a QD-OLED though
Linus I'm gonna be honest this is probably your finest presentation style so far. Such great timing. Makes it fun to watch and less difficult to absorb multiple facts. Also enjoy no-B(ia)S reviews so 2 gold stars. Thanks team! Sony QD can't wait for that. I try to avoid Samsung products if possible.
Not having Dolby Vision on the Samsung is still a deal breaker. Compared to regular HDR 10 its night and day difference. That leaves Sony and LG as the only high end options id be choosing.
Hi Lee, when would Dolby Vision be used? Is it with 4k HDR blu rays? All or some? i bought a lcd qled samsung (hdr 10+) but havent set it up yet. Likewise, is this hdr10+ thing on all 4k blurays? (are new 4k br encoded with a bunch of HDR formats on the disc? )
@@fredfinks Dolby Vision is applied to pretty much every Apply TV+ and Disney + release these days. A lot of blu-rays would have it also but not all. Majority of movies from iTunes to buy would also be 4K Dolby Vision/Atmos.
13:32 Dude took a shot at the whole community 😂😂
That overcast moment you deadass could see in this UA-cam video to are how big of a difference it is
Linus is the monster that terrifies competitors in the field of phones and TV, big salute to you and your crew
There's also the A95K(?) from Sony with the QD-OLED panel **and** heatsink. I find the android more usable too than tizen and you also get Dolby Vision. You loose HDR10+ though.
I wish there where more TVs just supporting both like Panasonic does for example, with HDR10+ being an open(-ish) standard.
I hope it'll be ubiquitous in the long run, to not lock everyone into one company (and it's feature set is nearly identical too anyway, while not being dependent on Dolby and potentially allowing creation by everyone)
I have used Android TV, WebOS and Tizen and AndroidTV gives you the best experience in my opinion. Big win for Sony
Dolby Vision is superior to HDR10+ and it’s also more common and widespread. So you’re not missing much.
@@aninditabasak7694 It's the same (from a technological standpoint, except the DoVi reference monitor of cause) and it's open and some movies just have HDR10+ (plus I find the HDR10+ masters often better)
3 year warranty for burn in? What a joke, not everyone can afford to spend $1,500 on a brand new display every 3 years. I still with keeping my monitors for 10+ years, thanks
I thought linus was gonna segway to his sponsor here bruv 6:36 it was too perfect
being a regular viewer of Vincent teoh I can tell some of the inaccuracies in some of the information like having a DE of over 3 being noticeable by the naked eye, or the pentile layout what they used back in their S3 days
either way go for the G1, or G2 if you want to spend the bucks
Overclocking TV‘s?!
Need an overlocked router!
Lots of overclocked linksys wrt54g's back in the day 😁
An water cooled router maybe?
I love your videos, and I’m going to college to become an electrical engineer because of you!
NICE GOOD LUCK
@@cannon9962 thank you
Good luck man.
I bought the AW3423DW immediately after watching the video on it. I sit pretty close to mine, and at 125% Windows/KDE zoom I've never once noticed fringing or anything of that nature. I was super concerned before taking delivery but happy to report it seems to be overblown by a fair margin.
This was a really great video overall. As someone who has reviewed both the LG G2 and Samsung S95B QD OLED as well as put them side to side I think a lot of great observations and points were made within this video, well done! Thanks again for the work your entire crew puts in, you have truly been an inspiration for many creators including myself watching you since day 1! Looking forward to your Sony A95K video.
Couldn't decide. Bought both; one for bedroom one for game room
Honestly, this was an underwhelming video with some errors. First correction: PenTile means there are two subpixels per pixel, while QD-OLED panels have the normal RGB subpixels, just in a triangular layout. Secondly: The worse blacks on the S95B in daylight come from the lack of a polarizer, which was deliberately done to further boost efficiency. Additionally, some things are worth pointing out when comparing the G2 and the S95B: The G2 (like every WRGB OLED) suffers from white subpixel dilution effect, where colors wash out at higher brightness levels (the G2 can, however, somewhat mitigate this via software). Because of the "overclocked" nature of the G2, the overall color gamut is not nearly as high as older, less bright WRGB OLEDs. I also wish you would've touched upon white subpixel luminance overshoot on the G2 and the slight black smearing on the S95B.
Both Samsung and LG are going in overdrive mode. I wonder how long this TV's will last because I don't buy TV every two years.
Samsung aren't overdriving their pixels. It's a completely new, more efficient technology. LG, however, is overdriving their existing tech.
@@damienlobb85 Sony has the same qd OLED panel with heatsink, they still don't go above 1000 nits to prevent burn in
Does this mean LTT are going to watercool and overclock a tv for massive brightness?
That’s what I was thinking, I hope so
I have an LG CX 48 & really dig it. My biggest gripe is the annoying menu, but that's not going away anytime soon.
I bought a LG C2 two months ago and have it in an extremely bright room. The brightness is more than enough the glare of the gloss screen is more of an issue, but nothing dropping the blinds can’t fix. I turned the energy saver off and noticed the brightness is even more which is absolutely stunning. I can’t recommend this tv enough, it is truly incredible.
I hope Linus took the opportunity to set up some kind of rail system in his living room to help make TV installation and removal quicker and easier, seeing as I'll eat my hat if he keeps _any_ TV in there for longer than a month. I know a compulsion when I see one.
In 5 years, we'll have watercooled QD-OLED 16k 240 hz TVs.
For video watching, there isn't really any purpose to 16K. You'd need like a 90 or 120 degree curve to your monitor to benefit from that many pixels. 8K 960 Hz would be better 🙂
@@shadowxaf Is there any perceptible difference to framerates over 240hz either? At least 16K has some potential purposes that go beyond watching videos, like trading and security cameras.
I own an LG G2 OLED 82 Inches and I AM IN LOVE WITH IT. I play Battlefield, Assassin's Creed and let me tell you. With the lights off. Game on!!! This TV delivers and you as a gamer are looking for. Ah of course, I also have an XBOX series X to deliver performance...
I like that they keep bringing that TV / Color snob for these videos. I mean that as a compliment. He seems really knowledgeable.
Oh nice. I've been running a 42" LG C2 as a wall mounted monitor for my office/ gaming setup.
Very happy with the fact that I am no longer using my old Sharp 1080p 42" TV.
As somebody who's been selling TVs for over a decade, the higher ambient grey of the QD OLED is an instant deal breaker. It's worse than late gen plasma
Have you seen it?
@@damienlobb85 probably not. Just another rando watching a video thinking they know it all.
@@damienlobb85 I literally have the 65" set up as the store's prime demo piece, and the 55" on the wall right next to the C2. Especially in brighter rooms the Samsung gets washed out just like plasma used to
I actually prefer the g1 over the g2 for dark room viewing
What’s the difference?
@@amaterasu_xo for me personally, in scenes where it is primarily dark, the extra brigthness of the newer screen actually hurts my eyes a bit in a fully dark room. I can see it being mcuh better for light room viewing though
@@Tehsheeeep Is there a way to turn that down on the g2 though?
@@mingyi456 there is a way to turn it down yes, but If you are primarily using it for dark room viewing you can save a decent chunk of money with the g1 over the g2s atm
@@Tehsheeeep I am just starting to watch the video, but I think maybe there may be a longevity advantage for the g2 if you tune it to match the g1 in brightness because of the additional cooling. Some people have speculated that burn in may be accelerated by high temperatures, not just high current used to drive the pixels. Of course, even if it were true, that alone may not be enough to justify the price difference.
I haven't noticed that greyness.
having seen the sony a95k next to the a90j, might be something Samsung's doing with coating or not being able to use dolby vision.
Having seen the s95b, qn95b, G2 and most other top models, the A95K just does something a bit more than all of them.
2 eArc, means sound bar/theater system and HDMI headset both possible at same time for multiple inputs, sounds nice.
I just got a lg g2.. and its truly amazing!
I love how the hipocrisy of frame rates has come full circle. It's a bitter sweet victory, but I'll take a W.
"120hz hurts my eyes, gives me headaches" said no one in
Samsung’s terrible interface is enough to make the decision. I was in need of a TV for a conference room so was on the fence between the Samsung Frame and LG G1. Even with the massive price difference the Samsung’s terrible menu wasn’t worth the savings. I put a high value on my own frustration.
I made the decision based on several thousand dollars difference. A few hundred makes it much easier.
LG is no different with their “terrible” menu system lol
It just looks different 🙃
Linus: "I don't support e-waste." Also Linus: "This display will die faster than any other technology, I must have it."
Hardly fair, it's also so much better than the other techs. Also, having some burn-in doesn't automatically make it landfill grade
@@gilkomfg "much better than the other tech" what do you mean?
@@damienlobb85 OLED is miles better in colour accuracy, response time, contrast and viewing angles compared to anything but CRTs and Mini LEDs
A qualidade dos vídeos do Linus é tão alta, me surpreendo a cada vídeo. Comprimentos dos seus fãs do Brasil! Acompanho desde o ínicio do canal.
Woke up last night to an AD on my LG TV. NOT happy now. I have had this thing for nearly 5 years.