this is what I understand after watching all the movies. The Xenomorph are a naturally evolved species. The black goo is essentially Xenomorph sperm or some DNA based extract, which the Engineers use as a bio-weapon. David uses the black goo to recreate his Xenomorphs. And Rook uses the Xenomorph from LV-426 to recreate the black goo.
pretty much except one tiny thing. I would say maybe Xeno are a David Frakenstein. Deacon seems to be what's natural. Pathogen wasn't meant to be used this way, or eggs, etc. It was meant to be used how David did it in Covenant. So where did the Deacon come from? IDK. Maybe Engineers noticed that's the purest original thing that will happen... when it got ahold of their asses. Hence the similiarity with Xeno since we're share Engineer dna too. Hence Deacon being pale color like Engineers. No real answers. All I can see is there seems to be a relation with things. RIDLEY is very clever. U noticed all this stuff from all these movies to Romulus... and in Romulus no Deacons. Why? The black goo, however they extracted it, was from DAVID's Xeno. THe ship on LV-426 is David's creation. As long as you keep these 2 things straight... there are diff pathogens and the results from interacting with that... it's easier to keep it all straight. That's why Romulus we have all this Classic Xeno stuff. They didn't have a Queen so they figured out how to produce facehuggers without that.
There is a 3rd option. That the Xenomorph and all its variants are made in the likeness of an Eldritch elder god. That we are trying to understand them on a scientific level, but that they are better understood as cosmic horror. Part of something far greater. That humans are messing with something far beyond their comprehension.
It seems like the origin of this black goo was something Devine and came from the Deacon that's on the mural in Prometheus. But because her blood ran out, the engineers had to "engineer" that blood to continue their species which led to the monstrosity that's the xenomorph. Much like how David, the AI, turns into our monstrosity.
@@MrZZooh there's really Nothing Concrete to base any opinions on. for now it's just opinion. but... pathogen could have (1) been found (2) found but manipulated (3) extracted from Deacon (4) Deacon could have been found or created. it's up in the air. Romulus suggest "THEY" extracted some pathogen from Big Chap b/c that's all they had to work with.
WOW, this explains so much of the prequels and their true connection to the original film. I cant believe I didnt pick up on that when watching Romulus. I had always assumed that the Xenomorph was a product of the Engineer pathogen, but its actually the other way around! This explains why every being that comes into contact with the pathogen either transforms or gives birth to xeno-like creatures. It also makes sense that David wouldnt know that he did NOT in fact create the Alien because in Prometheus he never came across the mural that Halloway did, and in his hubris of course he would think he created "the perfect organism." This goes hand in hand with the themes of creators and their creations that Ridley Scott was attempting to achieve with the prequel films. That through the creation of new life, creators will gain a sense of grandeur and importance that will ultimately lead to their downfall.
The way I see it David created the xenomorph we know from the first Alien movie. He did it thanks to the pathogen the engineers had in the ship. The way Romulus explains it, it seems that the xenomorph's secret is this and i quote Rook "a non Newtonian fluid" that makes them grows really fast. Unitl proven otherwise, this doesn't mean that the Engineers extracted the fluid from the xenomorph. They could've stumbled upon it randomly while exploring the universe, in other words, somewhere in the universe this substance is concentrated and maybe gave life to the engineers and every other life form in the universe
@@bloodmoney7968 that's exactly what I'm saying. we have to get our facts right. Xeno is not same thing as a Deacon. David did create the XEno. This is EXACTLY what was so fascinating about PROMETHEUS and Covenant. Ridley figured out a very creative, ingenious, magical way to tie all the movies together and even with some twists on top of that. And it all makes sense.. NO loose ends. And what happened?? The internet review bombing trollz in all their negative nastiness destroyed our chances of ever finding out the ending. Prometheus was $350 Mill or so... probably never see such a beautiful movie with such big sets ever again. Who would invest so much when all these negative kids on the internet can ruin ur opening. SO questions remains... who is the Space Jockey...how didi t get on LV-426... what happened to David?
@@El_Grande_Jefe This is the one thing that really bothers me about this franchise. We might never actually get definitive answers as to what happened after the events of Covenant that lead directly to the original Alien. Theres a massive gap of information lacking that really puts a bad taste in my mouth whenever I watch the films in chronological order. I'd argue that this IS a loose end that will never be resolved and it sucks, which is why I'll happily accept the notion that David only recreated the xenos because it makes the most sense, at least with the information we have now.
@@chrisromero2608 Well that part is a FACT. David made the Xeno, the facehugger, the eggs. Ridley made that clear. Lots we don't know... how does that tie back to Space Jockey? Again... black pathogen, Deacon... Engineers either created or possibly discovered. SO... who the hell is the Spack Jockey? With a hole in its chest. David wouldn't be attacked by a facehugger... IF he's in the suit? If it's an Engineer what are they doing with eggs. I think ONE possible answer is they found out what David did in Covenant, hunted his ass down, and saw oh u made something even more diabolical, and human born so it's even more fitting to use this against you. On the way to Earth again. Just ONE possibility. Ridley went into why David made the Xeno, why he killed the engineer world, and why he despied humans and engineers. The eggs are from Shaw's reproductive organs/dna. We see almost the entire cycle from black goo/airborne, to running deacon like a dog, to 1/2 deacon 1/2 xeno, then almost full xeno. Each time interacting with Human dna. He made all of this in Covenant in his Frankenstein lab.
Romulus does three things well: - A return to Alien form with the practical effects. - Keeps the Xeno and Promethial Fire mysterious by explaining that David was simply continuing the engineers work. - Is just a really good movie.
@Kev_D. It was good, idk if I'd say *really good*. Some of the call backs were pretty lame, but story, characters and background and the addition to the lore was nice.
@@warhawk4494 They touch on the whole Prometheus thing in a very surface level way, so that it's more like "dudes went to find new things in space and found some weird black sludge" instead of "rich dude went to find our creators and turns out humans were created by grey, bald giants and David made the xenomorph we know and love".
@@warhawk4494 Even in Prometheus,it is implied that the Xenomorphs we know and love from the original films,existed for eons or longer due to being represented in Engineer art on LV-223. David didn't create the Xenos. He rediscovered the wheel with his own experiments with the Black Goo. Some people interpreted David's experiments and the fact that the results were similar but less developed versions of xenos,as proof,he would go on to design the standard xenos seen in the original Alien series. Nothing in Romulus contradicts Prometheus and Covenant. We just have an unresolved storyline involving the fates of David and the Covenant colonists.
@@jacklame1584 Fede calls the goo "Xenomorph semen, almost", and to get semen you need a living organism to begin with. As Romulus visually implies, that organism is the Xenomorph.
@@choronzon69 the question was rhetorical, just making reference to the chicken and the egg paradox but since you went there if you need a living organism to get the black goo and the xenomorph is that organism the where did the xeno come from? And so continues the paradox and mystery.
@@ProjectACHERON That's so eerie. It fits well with the tone of the original movies. I subscribed just in case you cover it cause I totally jive with it!
The movie seemed to imply to me that the xenomorphs already existed long before and that the engineers revered them for the substance they could extract from them (black goo) with which they could evolve themselves, seed planets, and create bioweapons. This would explain the mural with the xenomorph and facehuggers depicted on it. David was likely just reinventing the species based on the substance. Due to the substance spawning xenomorph like creatures David was just following along. His strain is likely not even the one we encounter in the 1979 movie. The strain in 1979 might just be an experiment gone wrong. With the engineers either recreating the xenomorphs and one getting lose. Or finding eggs from them which thry wanted to transport and study. The appearance of the space jockey in Alien could also be because of the engineers modifying themselves.
"The appearance of the space jockey in Alien could also be because of the engineers modifying themselves" Brilliant mate, i never thought about it. Now all it makes sense🙏🙏🙏
Appreciate your work and effort, Thank You. It was questions/answers like this that made Alien Romulus a worthy part of the series. And thanks for getting my name spelt correctly in your credits 🙂It is appreciated too. By the way, further to my last comment some time ago, I did finally get to see Romulus and I loved it. I think it's a worthy part of the Alien pantheon and glad to see it's going down well.
Im a bit confused about the facts presented in this video. In Romulus, Rook states that they used the Xeno's genetic material/DNA to engineer facehuggers. You can see that they were 3d printing tons of them. He also clarifies that the facehugers EACH have a single droplet, a seed, of Pathogen within them - Promtheus' Fire, what Peter Weyland was searching for, etc. The research in Romulus Lab was harvesting many many facehuggers for each drop, to make enough of it to begin their genetic experiments using the pathogen to create their own DIFFERENT compound. The Z-01 is the material they were testing on rats, readying it for human application to make humans heartier because we are not meant to survive in space. Z-01 is very different from the raw Pathogen. The terminology used sounded like pseudo science lingo, but there was definitely more to the Z-01 than the raw Agent A0-3959X.91 - 15 aka Plagiarus Praepotens. For Alien RPG players, we know that WY scientists conducted similar experiments aboard the Cronus, to devise the 26-Draconis strain. They are not the same!
Yes, the movie does finally explicitly confirm that the black goo can be altered and there are different forms of it, Z-01 being one of these different forms, which was artificially created by resequencing the genes. Otherwise, that one lady would have given birth to a naiad, not a... xenomorph-engineer Giger landscape baby in an acid pod. I don't think he was stating in this video that Z-01 and the black goo from the facehuggers was the same thing, but I think if there was any confusion it came from the little computer read-out which qualified Z-01 as Chemical A0359395935087245602847 blah blah blah whatever on the footage of administering Z-01 to the lab rat. Which I guess is a little confusing, but there hasn't really been any consistent nomenclature for the naming of these things. Like, does the XX121 species refer to all xenomorphs or just the ones found on LV-426? It's inconsistent, because it's being written by a million different people who are all afraid of stepping on each other's toes because nobody owns the IP, they're all hired hands, so even when they get a guy to write a movie he's still deferring to the novels and stuff, and had to use xenopedia for research. But one thing is for sure, this dude definitely know all aboot the Alien RPG lore, because a ton of his videos hinge on their attempts to explain things. And I mean, to the point where this is the only Alien channel I'm aware of that understands the difference between Anathemas and Abominations. So he for sure knows aboot the Draconis strain.
@@ZarathrustaTate it's literally stated that the Z-01 underwent significant (if unspecific) development from the goo that they harvested. It's not really a debate at all, it's in Rook's exposition, go back and check it out.
Rook was lying just to preserve the sample. They didn't have time to turn it into a super evolution serum especially after big chap was loose on the station. It was just straight up black goo. If you think about Rook's lie, it was the best way in the short term to convince one of the survivors to inject it since the station was going to go boom.
What Romulus indicates is the A0-3959X. 91-15 Pathogen can be obtained from a Xenomorph. It shows that this Pathogen can Mutate a Human to become a Hybrid that has some appearance of a Engineer. We could Speculate that refinement of this could turn a Human into a Engineer...... it could explain why the Engineers in Alien Covenant were different because the Prometheus Engineers were augmented with the Pathogen. Why we could even consider the Curveball that the Engineers came from US...they are a Evolution of Humans. It shows the A0-3959X. 91-15 can be used to Clone Facehuggers too.
@@ProjectACHERON Well it was such a simple concept originally (Scarabs). It became a bit of a mess after though, just wasn't as easy to understand. Looking at Spaights Scarabs... IF...... Mass of Tiny Scarabs consume a Wolf they consume it until nothing remains.... each of thousands upon thousands of the Scarabs now have Wolf DNA stored in them. These Scarabs with their Cargo of Wolf DNA, then bite a Human and the Human should Mutate into a Werewolf. Use a Cat instead of a Wolf and the end Result is a Thunder Cat. Take a Thunder Cat... use Sacrificial Scarabs on it and let one of these bite a Werewolf and then you should have a Hybrid of a Wolf, Cat and Human with at least 50% Human DNA. It would seem that this kind of Cross Hybridization is what David had been doing with Various Organisms to combine their Traits to his Xenomorph.
Yes, that is the text of the film. That all the creationist shit is retconned and Engineers are humans altered with black goo by... well you can figure that part out.
Project: ACHERON and his buddy made the perfect explanation for the Jockey species and the Engineers. Everyone who I've showed his Alien Awakening animation has fallen in love with it.
The alien rpg has it that xx121 is just one of several lineages to be born of the black goo, and that all of them are just crude immitations of an ancient superalien called the Destroying Angel. The goo was its literal blood, and the engineers worshipped it and created xx121 and others in their attempts to recreate it, but none of their attempts were really successful. I feel like this is a more satisfying reconciliation of all the material, if you want to take the prequels at face value.
The substantial difference between Z-01 and Black Goo is that the former was synthesized from the cells of a xenomorph, while the latter from those of a different species, but genetically linked to the previous one.
The discussion around the actual 'Station" is interesting. What I gather is, it's called Renaissance Station but comprises of 2 laboratories Romulus and Remus. They found the Big Chap and Rook on Remus and discovered the pathogen on Romulus. In the ancient tale Romulus killed Remus and being the stronger superior brother then created Rome. I think the analogy is just like it, the fact that the more advanced superior species and the future was created in Romulus deeming the Remus alien obselete. Just like the brother killing and creating the new future. Out with the old in and in with the new, goo!
I think in part this also might explain the mural of the xenomorph from Prometheus. I always inferred it looked like some venerated being from which the pathogen was derived, but that's just my interpretion and after the fact ofc;) Hopefully you enjoyed Romulus PA, I had some minor gripes, but overall I thought it was decent.
This is the direction i believe the alien should have went all along a truly perfect organism that has no need for what we " civilized" species have. And its seed is everywhere propagated by those who came before and thought they could control that which cannot be controlled and controls all around them through simply being. I love it the cosmic horror of the Alien is in full swing and it is glorious.
Problem is. You end up with something that isn't as entertaining, or easy to write filmable stories. That's why certain ideas are more suited to an expanded universe.
I always thought that the Black Goo/Pathogen was extracted from the Xenomorphs DNA and blood because according to Ridley Scott the Engineers didn’t necessarily create Xenos instead they found them and extracted their genes and DNA to re-engine and reanimated them into bio weapons however their experiments seem to have been both incomplete and a failure for according to a deleted scene from Covenant there was going to be a fight scene between the Protomorph and Neomorph with proto emerging victorious which proves that the original form of Xenos is still stronger and superior compared to the pathogen ones except maybe for the Human Xenomorph Hybrid Offspring/Xenogineer
I knew the Zeno was not created by David or the Engineers, thanks to the mural the Prometheus crew finds at LV-223 clearly depicting a Xenomorph before David ever messed around with any of that stuff, the Engineers likely found that thing somewhere and managed to extract the black goo and used it to then do some experiments of their own
@@MelloPintor There's another video that addresses the engineer history. The Deacon mural was of a pure alien that created the engineers in a way and provided life. After it died they saved it's life giving blood in order to seed worlds as well as reproduce. The goldish looking fluid in the engineer cup was the original Deacon blood. Obviously at some point they would run low so they attempted to reverse engineer the Deacon's blood, unfortunately what resulted was Z-01. Instead of giving life, it mutated it and created monsters. I don't believe the engineers in Prometheus were planning to bomb Earth, rather I think that like Renaissance station they were simply experimenting far away from others.
@@xc8487 A lot of the Information about the Xenomorph Blood from the Orange Prometheus Draft was unfortunately a Fan Edit.... The Mural was in part a Easter Egg nod to HR Giger, those who worked on the Mural said it was of the first Deacon the Engineers had Created. What we likely saw in Prometheus was the Engineers obtaining the DNA of that Deacon via using the Sacrificial Goo... to then Syphon the Genetic Soup into the Urns/Apoules to use on Earth (sometimes to create one must first Destroy) However with the Sacrificial Cup replaced with the Crystal/Resin we can be drawn to this somehow is where the Engineers had obtained Genetic Material that can create Deacon lile Organisms.
Not exactly, the Original Pathogen is basically the untouched Dna of a Xenomorph or better say the Chemicals that the Facehugger use to create Chestburster. Those Chemicals were then used to create the Black Goo and its many Variations. The Deacon is a Result when the Goo interacts with multiple Dna structures of Humans like we see in Prometheus, the Deacon and Neomorph are simply said the Multiple Genetic Variations that can be created
So the xenomorph is really an actor for The Great Filter. I wonder if every species gets wiped out by it, or if there have been any species that got passed it? Like maybe the predators?
That’s a possibility. I mean, Fede Alvarez did say that he wants to work with Dan Trachtenberg on an AVP film, and Alien: Earth might confirm the fact that the Xenomorphs are an ancient race simply recreated by David. So, we might be seeing the building blocks of this rivalry’s cinematic return.
If the Pathogen came from the xenomorph itself, it feels weird to see it being experimented on the Xenomorph itself as seen with different mutated versions in some of the novels if I’m not mistaken such as Aliens: Infiltrator which the mutated Xenomorph are the result of the Ovomorphs being injecting with the pathogen causing the facehugger to mutate
HACKvarez doesn't care about Aliens: Infiltrator, he doesn't even know who the based Cruz was. He went on Xenopedia and copy-pasted some quotes into the movie, some even from the Alien: Cold Forge book, but I don't think he really has a deep Aliens culture...
Since they found "Big Chap" in some type of cocoon, from that it seems now 2 things are confirmed. One, the xenos can survive in the vacuum of space indefinitely and two, that cocoon could come from their secretions. From that resin a protective barrier forms around them.
@_Omega_Weapon wow, so the intro of the movie in Romulus that Alien was in that cocoon rock, I thought it was just a rock or something. It's interesting that an alien has a defensive mechanism to incase itself in a cocoon.
I 100% buy in to the fact that the pathogen is derived from the xenomorph and was manipulated as a technology by the engineers. This elegantly incorporates the prequals into the law whilst preserving the cosmic horror aspects of the original films. I really hope this is the direction they take as this is my interpretation of it. Don't screw this up Disney!
So if the pathogen originated from the zenomorphs & the Engineers used that same pathogen to create humanity then that means we are connected to the zenomorphs themselves & share some of their DNA
Correct. It also explains how the xenos can take on the genetic traits of a host organism from a different biosphere to aid their own survival. If most of the advanced life in the galaxy is the result of Engineer seeding of potentially habital planets with xeno derived black goo,that would be a logical reason the "perfect organism" can readly adapt to new hosts and new environments.
I would not say so... Things have become muddied and Romulus does not help.....maybe A0-3959X. 91-15 is used to Create all Life? However it was more simple in the concept and first time the Substance was shown.....Alien Engineers/Genesis. This showed us tiny Scarabs that would consume the DNA of a Organism and then be able to inject this onto another Organism to Create a Hybrid. Humans are a Engineer consumed by these Scarabs that then these Scarabs bite a Primate (later early Hominid) to pass on Engineer DNA to create Humans. LV-426 as it was in these drafts had the Engineers using these Scarabs to obtain the DNA from a Alien Organism and from this they Created numerous Monsters... the Xenomorph being one of them. In Prometheus the Scarabs are merely replaced by Tiny Worm like Parasites but perform the same function as the Scarabs from Spaights drafts.
@@TheLAGopher That's right. Waylon yutani main business was creating habitable worlds for humans. But when they discovered the black goo, they could genetically engineer people to survive inhabitable planets
Incorrect, Engineers didn't create humans, the film shows an Engineer-like creature being born from a human. Engineers are humans modified by a form of black goo, this is the text of the film. Humans evolved naturally in Africa, because the Alien series is sci-fi, not fantasy, not some sort of creationist propaganda. The cold open of the theatrical cut of Prometheus is never dated or given any location, we have no idea when or where it happens, or even if the goo they were using was the same (it obviously isn't), and any suggestion that it happened on Earth, or when it happened on Earth, or what the result of that scene was, is pure speculation. But what we do know for certain now thanks to Romulus, is that Engineers are born from us, not the other way aroond. That matter is settled.
@@princessmaly Thats not really the case. The principle of the Engineers were they would seed their DNA and Evolve Life in their image and that Humans are the results of their Genetic Space Gardening. But its not spoon fed in the Movies... we Genetically are very similar and so we could come from them. They could come from us or we both come from another common source. The Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus doesn't have to be Earth it just shows this is what the Engineers do. In context to the Franchise we can't even be sure that Humans came from Earth.... i know in reality we do and we evolved from primates etc... but this is Sci-Fi giving us a Alternative Universe. With Romulus we get the indication that the Z01 strain could Evolve a Human Fetus to become a Hybrid which has a similar look of the Prometheus Engineers. The intention was that this Hybrid would continue to Mutate into something more closer to a Xenomorph. We could Speculate that if you refined the Process or reduced the amount of Z01 exposure then its possible that you can Evolve a Human into a Prometheus looking Engineer. What i take from Romulus is that the Properties of the Black Goo had likely been used to Evolve the Planet 4 Engineers (Alien Covenant) to be more Enhanced versions we see in Prometheus. This is speculation on my part.
There's a second space station doing research. The romulus and Remus nod is to ancient Roman mythology of twin brothers and their story with the founding of Rome. Rome eventually fell, there's a second space station
makes sense. BUT if the black good takes on traits of the xeno then wouldn’t humans already be linked with the xeno since it’s shown that the engineer drinking the black goo led to the human race and life on earth?
@@ProjectACHERON I think it’s the same pathogen, that in large doses just demolishes you, like Prometheus’ opening scene and David’s engineer genocide. I’m 50/50 on Engineers found the goo on Xenos so David couldn’t have created them, BUT, the human species DID come also from the goo messing with Engineer’s DNA, so I do think the human species is somewhat connected to that of the Xenos, and Engineers are supreme, meddled with this “first” and were using the black goo for their colonization purposes.
Very interesting and well-explained. I had heard in another channel that based on the discarded drafts of Prometheus, that the pathogen was not derived from xenomorphs but from the original Deacon (not the one we see at the end of the movie, but the one that inspired the mural). The Engineer that sacrifices himself to create life on Earth would do so using the blood of the original Deacon and t the black goo would be an attempt at recreating that blood once the Engineers had run out of it, and it backfired on them. What do you think of that theory?
Or Humanity could to be moving towards species of Xenomorph-Human hybridization? Zf-01, The Lady in Darkness, Lee Queen/Hybrid, Ripley 8. Also implies Engineers may have not created humanity as if species mutated, created from the chemical, why arnt Earth species including all xeno? (may have been orignal plan but I actually hope Engineers making Humanity's been retconned)
I’ve got so much to say about this topic but in short, is it that the black goo is one and the same with the praepotens or rather that the black goo is derived from the praepotens?
So basically the engineers are the forerunners and the xenomorphs the precursors and black goo is the flood which originated from the precursors/xenomorphs
There are 2 really good YT videos about Prometheus Explained. They go after all the Haters, Negative Review Bombers, and people with no critiical thinking skills. They're really interesting and don't always assume conclusions b/c nobody knows everything for sure. Some are by KROFT (Mr. Monotone), and excellent one by TWIN PERFECT. Watch IF you really want to understand especially the TWIN's video. It all ties back to what this is about and why this video here is WRONG. Engineers created and/or found the pathogen and Deacon. Also possible they found it and further engineered it from some other form. We just don't know.
The golden goo is different from the black goo though. The first was the original blood of the deacon xenomorph the engineers encountered, while the last is their attempt (not unlike the humans') to reproduce it.
This is a great way to make the Alien, Alien again. The black goo being something the engineers synthesized from the facehuggers works, and fixes the issue of David an AI being the creator of the Xenomorph, now David is merely an AI gone rogue trying to create life but an imperfect one, he is simply wanting to do what all living things want to do, have a “child”. However, I do have some issues with this approach as well, especially how they were able to create a facehugger from the xenomorph, that just feels cheap and invalid. You can 3D print a creature but how can you give it life and make it alive? My other problem with the black goo is how the engineers consumed it and it broke them down, all the way to their cellular level and this is what we see in Prometheus 1, yet when we injected it to a human it didn’t break them down. Why didn’t it aggressively evolve the engineer in Prometheus 1? But anyway, the idea the xenomorph is an alien and the engineers were bioengineering them is a great idea. Just like some tribes that take venom, or mushrooms to hallucinate, the xenomorph is part of their culture and religious undertakings, unexplained but something they use to prolong their goals of destruction and life.
I never thought of Species X121 Xenomorph as being some kind of (potentially divinely made) biological safeguard/landmine against post-industrial sentient life proliferation (i.e. the Great Filter of the Fermi Paradox) but, it's an intriguing thought and lends greater credence to the oft-repeated phrase intuitively recognized by A.I.'s like Science Officers Rook and Ash "Perfect Organism"...because how could it be "perfect" unless created by "perfect beings", who're evidently greater than even the Engineers? Also explains why perfectionists like David (also A.I.) seek its refinement and recreation. It also begs the question, are Artificial Intelligences destined to become Luciferian archetypes that inherently turn on their creators? If that's the case, is it perhaps an allusion to the possible truthfulness of ideas like that of Peter Watts (author of _Blindsight, Starfish,_ and the Series _Crysis_ and _Behemoth)_ where conscious, sentient life like humanity is an anomalous "abomination" in a cosmos swarming with sentient species not plagued by our individualistic and self-destructive idiosyncrasies?
@@ProjectACHERON Which would also explain, following Peter Watts' cognito-misanthropic logic, why the Engineer was angered at David as an artificial person, the same way, and forgive the allusion for the series is ultimately stupid, that Rick Sanchez acts indignant when he finds his decoys have been making decoys and initiated an "Asmimov Cascade". Maybe the Engineers are less conscious, acting on a more primal drive that better unites them, whereas our individuality and discordant dissonance as a species have made us uniquely susceptible to irrationality like greed and self-loathing. Maybe that's partly why they grew frustrated with us and furthermore enraged when we created life, like they did, in _OUR_ own image, the corrupted image of incorrigible brutes...with the will of its own to destroy corruptible brutes. Not only did we make more intelligent and cunning versions of ourselves with synthetics, but, knowing that such artificial life tends to immediately seek out and destroy hominid sentience, the Engineer saw that we'd effectively made a devil armed with a better brain and a limitless lifespan, to serve ourselves so we could save the expense of training and patiently gaining the loyalty of our own people to do what it was doing. That's Faustian lunacy, Sue Is Hyde All programming, and indiscriminate greed all in on being that had learned how to use my technology as a higher being in what, less than a day? I'd have torn its head off, too.
Hello, when are you going to release Alien Awakening episode 7 and 8 bro? Love you your content. Been waiting 4 years for it.. would really like to see the conclusion to your story.
Just saw Alien Romulus and your explanation totally makes everything that has happened in the franchise understandable. Once again the Xenos true origins are a mystery!
I assumed that Rook had been able to reverse engineer the Pathogen from the Facehugger DNA, not that the facehugger is necessarily the origin of the Pathogen
tbh i think the black goo has xenomorph engineer and human dna mixed into it coz remember when shaw did a dna test on engineer blood and compared it to humans they matched so the engineers dna mixed with something else to create humans coz as we know the engineers are like 7 foot 8 and pale white while we are smaller with a pinker tone so it makes snes how the xeno species blends so well with humans or engineers aswell as other organic lifeforms
In ROMULUS the pathogen is created from Xeno blood/body fluids. Originally the black good pathogen is from the Engineers is ALL we know. They could have entirely created it in a lab. And the result is a DEACON not a Xeno. Or it could be from body fluids again. IF you go down this hypothesis ur saying it could have come from body fluids/blood of a Deacon. Either way it's not from a Xeno. There is nothing n the films, cut scenes, art books to suggest that the Engineers did not Entirely Create the pathogen themselves... especially with the superior TECH they possess. They are suggest to be world builders, ancient beings that have been around for a long time IF they created life on Earth they are millions of years ahead of us.
Why would xenomorphs get affected by pathogen (fireteam elite) while literaly beign created from it tho, after reading some comments about why black goo cant be found in humans if it was what was used to create life on earth, i personaly think that we could have both black goo beign from xenos and the first deacon canon at the same time, it would still make sense.
Just realized the Double Y chromosome Inmates from Alien 3 may mean the survivors of Alien Romulus did make it to that colony or weyland yutani used it to create terraforming colonist,which could explain the YY chromosome and no X Chromosomes. It ties in Brilliantly.
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@@ProjectACHERON I just found out a reason that could validate your theory (and I'm happy about it) in Prometheus we know that the life on earth was created due to a mutation between black goo and enginner DNA so if Xeno was created also by black goo and that we can find black goo in his DNA then we should find it in human DNA but as shown in Romulus human don't have it in their DNA meaning that black goo was firstly found in the xenomorph genetic code. The second element of my theory is the Alien earth tv show that will take place around the same times as prometheus and the teaser was showing a Xeno. But this is still speculation tho.
@@ProjectACHERON Well I just saw an interview about the final act of the movie where Fede Alvarez says that the Xenomorph come for the black goo, a new problem with the black goo cause if the xenomorph were made using black goo and that we can find it in his DNA why human that we were also created with blackgoo don't have it in their DNA.
@AleToTheThief I saw it once but they kept calling it romulus it was even on the side of the station so unless I missed something 🤷♂️ I don't know where it came from, altho I'm going back for a second viewing Monday
@@ProjectACHERON Ridley Scott in interviews after Alien Covenant went to say that we changed who made the Xenomorph from the Engineers to David, now after Alien Romulus, both didn’t, which was clearly from Prometheus but the Engineers were essential to the story, unlike David
Not sure I agree with your interpretation. I don't think z01 from Romulus is the original black goo from the engineers. What I see is as following: engineers black goo -> david uses it to create xenomorphs (not deacons) -> romulus lab catches the xenomorph -> reproduction of facehuggers -> extraction of black substance -> who knows what processes they use to synthethise essence -> z01 -> the offspring
He doesnt say that it is the Original. z01 is basically a Genetic Variation of the Black Goo. See it like this: Engineers used the Chemicals from the Facehuggers that create Chestbursters, they made Research on those Chemicals and created the Black Goo. Rook took the Dna from Big Chap, created Modified Facehuggers and then took Samples from their Chemicals and made z01. You can say that Rook did recreated the Black Goo and slightly Modified it. This kinda makes z01 a Sister Strain of the Original Black Goo. And yes David made Xenomorphs on Planet 4 but not exactly 1/1 Versions. He just recreated the Things he thouth was right. Creating the Protomorph. This was also confirmed to be the case in Aliens Roleplaying Game that is offical canon and also in the Novel of Alien Covenant. The other Variants of Xenomorphs like the Deacon and Neomorph are the genetic result of unchecked Mutation when used as a Weapon
The Black Goo is the single most unnecessary bit of lore added to the series (like midichlorians in Star Wars). I don’t think that I’m the only long time fan who finds it completely unneeded? The xenomorph is a mysterious creature unlike anything else in existence. It is a Lovecraftian eldritch horror beyond our understanding. You can study it but you can never truly understand it nor ever hope to control it. You can’t beat it, it’s like a virus. All you can do is avoid it. The more it is rationalised the less interesting it is and the more that the ‘rules’ laid down in the original films are ignored the duller it gets. 20 mins chestbursters like in Romulus? I thought that trash was best left to the dire AVP films…
Wrong! The captured xenomorph was encased in a huge block of metal which had to be cut in half, so it's not the xenomorph from the Narcissus it's another one from the Nostromo explosion ie there was more than one.
@@jonathanpoole5316 It wasn't a huge block of metal, it was a protective cocoon that the xenomorph extruded around itself to protect itself from the vacuum of space. We see a xenomorph emerge from a similar cocoon elsewhere in the movie.
@@saidakhu aha! From the way they were handling it, it looked super heavy, which something made with stuff like hydroflouric acid would not be, besides it would not be so dense. Old age, knackered eyesight and deaf, I had a lot of trouble telling what anyone was saying quite a lot of the time as well 😎
I hate Prometheus and covenant. God it ruined alien lore. So if David made the xenomorphs how did the engineers make the goo thousands of years before hand? What did they base it on? What alien jizz did they find and use to make it? Because those two stupid movies literally say David made the xenomorphs. The xenomorphs didn't exist before he made them. Idk maybe I'm overthinking it because screw it. In ten years they will change the lore again. Ha
The Engineers exracted the black goo billions of years ago from Xenos they stumbled upon travelling the galaxy.The Xenos became the foundation of Engineer genetic science,religion,and culture.We can see that in the murals depicting a xeno on LV-223. That's why in Prometheus and Covenant we saw the Engineers hauling black goo in their ship holds, while in Alien, the Engineer ship had actual Zeno eggs in it's hold. The Engineers are both harvesting the actual xeno species,which they may have genetically tweeked,and using the xeno derived black goo for terra forming,life seeding, and bio-warfare. David had daddy issues and a God complex. The thought that his creator was a mortal man who played God in creating him, messed with David's mind. How could a flawed,mortal human design a superior AI that was immortal? David found the black goo but missed the Engineer murals depicting the xenos. David did his own experiments with the goo,which being derived from xeno DNA,resulted in xeno like mutations in his test subjects. He didn't create xenos.He discovered that exposure to the black goo resulted in subjects mutating with xeno like traits. David assumed he was creating a new order of life when instead he was creating his own varients of the original xeno strain.
I was waiting for you to post a vid about the Z-01 accelerant, good job. I really like the movie, had some very minor gripes both it was very good overall. It is definitely a solid no.3 in the Alien cinematic universe, I love Alien and Aliens films equally but consider them not the same genre, one is sci-fi horror suspense while the other is scif-fi action horror. If Fede Alvarez decides to make a sequel or a different Alien film, I hope he can build upon what he's created lore-wise and further the franchise.
Cleansing space faring races from the universe.... except for this one that actually breeds the fucking things and hunts them for fun theyre uhhh well theyre different
I haven't seen it yet but i hope this is as true as it sounds because it creates space for the mystery of xeno origins again. It also implies that the engineers are essentially everything WY want to do but they fail each time. I kept dying on the hill that the xeno's weren't created by David or any nonsense like that but, the black goo is just a product of reverse engineering Xenomorphs.
this is what I understand after watching all the movies. The Xenomorph are a naturally evolved species. The black goo is essentially Xenomorph sperm or some DNA based extract, which the Engineers use as a bio-weapon. David uses the black goo to recreate his Xenomorphs. And Rook uses the Xenomorph from LV-426 to recreate the black goo.
Spot on!
pretty much except one tiny thing. I would say maybe Xeno are a David Frakenstein. Deacon seems to be what's natural. Pathogen wasn't meant to be used this way, or eggs, etc. It was meant to be used how David did it in Covenant. So where did the Deacon come from? IDK. Maybe Engineers noticed that's the purest original thing that will happen... when it got ahold of their asses. Hence the similiarity with Xeno since we're share Engineer dna too. Hence Deacon being pale color like Engineers. No real answers. All I can see is there seems to be a relation with things. RIDLEY is very clever. U noticed all this stuff from all these movies to Romulus... and in Romulus no Deacons. Why? The black goo, however they extracted it, was from DAVID's Xeno. THe ship on LV-426 is David's creation. As long as you keep these 2 things straight... there are diff pathogens and the results from interacting with that... it's easier to keep it all straight. That's why Romulus we have all this Classic Xeno stuff. They didn't have a Queen so they figured out how to produce facehuggers without that.
There is a 3rd option. That the Xenomorph and all its variants are made in the likeness of an Eldritch elder god. That we are trying to understand them on a scientific level, but that they are better understood as cosmic horror. Part of something far greater. That humans are messing with something far beyond their comprehension.
It seems like the origin of this black goo was something Devine and came from the Deacon that's on the mural in Prometheus. But because her blood ran out, the engineers had to "engineer" that blood to continue their species which led to the monstrosity that's the xenomorph. Much like how David, the AI, turns into our monstrosity.
@@MrZZooh there's really Nothing Concrete to base any opinions on. for now it's just opinion. but... pathogen could have (1) been found (2) found but manipulated (3) extracted from Deacon (4) Deacon could have been found or created. it's up in the air. Romulus suggest "THEY" extracted some pathogen from Big Chap b/c that's all they had to work with.
WOW, this explains so much of the prequels and their true connection to the original film. I cant believe I didnt pick up on that when watching Romulus. I had always assumed that the Xenomorph was a product of the Engineer pathogen, but its actually the other way around! This explains why every being that comes into contact with the pathogen either transforms or gives birth to xeno-like creatures. It also makes sense that David wouldnt know that he did NOT in fact create the Alien because in Prometheus he never came across the mural that Halloway did, and in his hubris of course he would think he created "the perfect organism." This goes hand in hand with the themes of creators and their creations that Ridley Scott was attempting to achieve with the prequel films. That through the creation of new life, creators will gain a sense of grandeur and importance that will ultimately lead to their downfall.
The way I see it David created the xenomorph we know from the first Alien movie. He did it thanks to the pathogen the engineers had in the ship. The way Romulus explains it, it seems that the xenomorph's secret is this and i quote Rook "a non Newtonian fluid" that makes them grows really fast. Unitl proven otherwise, this doesn't mean that the Engineers extracted the fluid from the xenomorph. They could've stumbled upon it randomly while exploring the universe, in other words, somewhere in the universe this substance is concentrated and maybe gave life to the engineers and every other life form in the universe
@@bloodmoney7968 that's exactly what I'm saying. we have to get our facts right. Xeno is not same thing as a Deacon. David did create the XEno. This is EXACTLY what was so fascinating about PROMETHEUS and Covenant. Ridley figured out a very creative, ingenious, magical way to tie all the movies together and even with some twists on top of that. And it all makes sense.. NO loose ends. And what happened?? The internet review bombing trollz in all their negative nastiness destroyed our chances of ever finding out the ending. Prometheus was $350 Mill or so... probably never see such a beautiful movie with such big sets ever again. Who would invest so much when all these negative kids on the internet can ruin ur opening. SO questions remains... who is the Space Jockey...how didi t get on LV-426... what happened to David?
The only thing David created was a poor imitation of the original. Just like every film in the franchise since 1992!
@@El_Grande_Jefe This is the one thing that really bothers me about this franchise. We might never actually get definitive answers as to what happened after the events of Covenant that lead directly to the original Alien. Theres a massive gap of information lacking that really puts a bad taste in my mouth whenever I watch the films in chronological order. I'd argue that this IS a loose end that will never be resolved and it sucks, which is why I'll happily accept the notion that David only recreated the xenos because it makes the most sense, at least with the information we have now.
@@chrisromero2608 Well that part is a FACT. David made the Xeno, the facehugger, the eggs. Ridley made that clear. Lots we don't know... how does that tie back to Space Jockey? Again... black pathogen, Deacon... Engineers either created or possibly discovered. SO... who the hell is the Spack Jockey? With a hole in its chest. David wouldn't be attacked by a facehugger... IF he's in the suit? If it's an Engineer what are they doing with eggs. I think ONE possible answer is they found out what David did in Covenant, hunted his ass down, and saw oh u made something even more diabolical, and human born so it's even more fitting to use this against you. On the way to Earth again. Just ONE possibility. Ridley went into why David made the Xeno, why he killed the engineer world, and why he despied humans and engineers. The eggs are from Shaw's reproductive organs/dna. We see almost the entire cycle from black goo/airborne, to running deacon like a dog, to 1/2 deacon 1/2 xeno, then almost full xeno. Each time interacting with Human dna. He made all of this in Covenant in his Frankenstein lab.
I LOVE the idea that the Xenos are THE great filter of the universe.
Agreed!
Love this if the goo comes from the xenomorph instead of the goo creating the xenomorph. To me this adds to the lore rather than take away
100%
Romulus does three things well:
- A return to Alien form with the practical effects.
- Keeps the Xeno and Promethial Fire mysterious by explaining that David was simply continuing the engineers work.
- Is just a really good movie.
So they rewrite the lore created by Prometheus and convenient or whatever?
@@warhawk4494 not rewritten at all. It expands on it more.
@Kev_D. It was good, idk if I'd say *really good*. Some of the call backs were pretty lame, but story, characters and background and the addition to the lore was nice.
@@warhawk4494 They touch on the whole Prometheus thing in a very surface level way, so that it's more like "dudes went to find new things in space and found some weird black sludge" instead of "rich dude went to find our creators and turns out humans were created by grey, bald giants and David made the xenomorph we know and love".
@@warhawk4494
Even in Prometheus,it is implied that the Xenomorphs we know and love from the original films,existed for eons or longer due to being
represented in Engineer art on LV-223. David didn't create the Xenos. He rediscovered the wheel with his own experiments with the Black Goo.
Some people interpreted David's experiments and the fact that the results were similar but less developed versions of xenos,as proof,he
would go on to design the standard xenos seen in the original Alien series.
Nothing in Romulus contradicts Prometheus and Covenant. We just have an unresolved storyline involving the fates of David and the Covenant colonists.
So glad that David didn't create the Xenomorphs. That would have killed the myth. Romulus confims that.
Yeah
Love the idea of xenos being a fermi paradox solution
Same here!!
What came first, the chicken or the egg? The black goo or the xeno?
@@jacklame1584 Fede calls the goo "Xenomorph semen, almost", and to get semen you need a living organism to begin with. As Romulus visually implies, that organism is the Xenomorph.
@@choronzon69 the question was rhetorical, just making reference to the chicken and the egg paradox but since you went there if you need a living organism to get the black goo and the xenomorph is that organism the where did the xeno come from? And so continues the paradox and mystery.
Your last lines go so hard. Cool conclusion on the Fermi paradox !
That I was thinking of making a full video about that idea linked the alien universe and why is mostly dead space
@@ProjectACHERON That's so eerie. It fits well with the tone of the original movies. I subscribed just in case you cover it cause I totally jive with it!
The movie seemed to imply to me that the xenomorphs already existed long before and that the engineers revered them for the substance they could extract from them (black goo) with which they could evolve themselves, seed planets, and create bioweapons.
This would explain the mural with the xenomorph and facehuggers depicted on it.
David was likely just reinventing the species based on the substance. Due to the substance spawning xenomorph like creatures David was just following along. His strain is likely not even the one we encounter in the 1979 movie.
The strain in 1979 might just be an experiment gone wrong. With the engineers either recreating the xenomorphs and one getting lose. Or finding eggs from them which thry wanted to transport and study. The appearance of the space jockey in Alien could also be because of the engineers modifying themselves.
@florisvdwetering Exactly David just took what data he could from the Engineers & created his own version of the zenomorphs
"The appearance of the space jockey in Alien could also be because of the engineers modifying themselves" Brilliant mate, i never thought about it. Now all it makes sense🙏🙏🙏
@dan_gabriel That's a good theory the Engineers could've modified the black goo or pathogen to make them grow bigger like in Alien
Appreciate your work and effort, Thank You. It was questions/answers like this that made Alien Romulus a worthy part of the series. And thanks for getting my name spelt correctly in your credits 🙂It is appreciated too.
By the way, further to my last comment some time ago, I did finally get to see Romulus and I loved it. I think it's a worthy part of the Alien pantheon and glad to see it's going down well.
No worries sorry it took so long, but yeah I loved alien Romulus fanastic addition to the franchise!
Im a bit confused about the facts presented in this video. In Romulus, Rook states that they used the Xeno's genetic material/DNA to engineer facehuggers. You can see that they were 3d printing tons of them. He also clarifies that the facehugers EACH have a single droplet, a seed, of Pathogen within them - Promtheus' Fire, what Peter Weyland was searching for, etc. The research in Romulus Lab was harvesting many many facehuggers for each drop, to make enough of it to begin their genetic experiments using the pathogen to create their own DIFFERENT compound. The Z-01 is the material they were testing on rats, readying it for human application to make humans heartier because we are not meant to survive in space. Z-01 is very different from the raw Pathogen. The terminology used sounded like pseudo science lingo, but there was definitely more to the Z-01 than the raw Agent A0-3959X.91 - 15 aka Plagiarus Praepotens. For Alien RPG players, we know that WY scientists conducted similar experiments aboard the Cronus, to devise the 26-Draconis strain. They are not the same!
I had also understood it that way, Z-01 is derived from the black goo/pathogen but it is a new compound and the result of Rook’s research
Yes, the movie does finally explicitly confirm that the black goo can be altered and there are different forms of it, Z-01 being one of these different forms, which was artificially created by resequencing the genes. Otherwise, that one lady would have given birth to a naiad, not a... xenomorph-engineer Giger landscape baby in an acid pod.
I don't think he was stating in this video that Z-01 and the black goo from the facehuggers was the same thing, but I think if there was any confusion it came from the little computer read-out which qualified Z-01 as Chemical A0359395935087245602847 blah blah blah whatever on the footage of administering Z-01 to the lab rat. Which I guess is a little confusing, but there hasn't really been any consistent nomenclature for the naming of these things. Like, does the XX121 species refer to all xenomorphs or just the ones found on LV-426? It's inconsistent, because it's being written by a million different people who are all afraid of stepping on each other's toes because nobody owns the IP, they're all hired hands, so even when they get a guy to write a movie he's still deferring to the novels and stuff, and had to use xenopedia for research.
But one thing is for sure, this dude definitely know all aboot the Alien RPG lore, because a ton of his videos hinge on their attempts to explain things. And I mean, to the point where this is the only Alien channel I'm aware of that understands the difference between Anathemas and Abominations. So he for sure knows aboot the Draconis strain.
@@danielb6803 nah, it’s the same
@@ZarathrustaTate it's literally stated that the Z-01 underwent significant (if unspecific) development from the goo that they harvested. It's not really a debate at all, it's in Rook's exposition, go back and check it out.
Rook was lying just to preserve the sample. They didn't have time to turn it into a super evolution serum especially after big chap was loose on the station. It was just straight up black goo. If you think about Rook's lie, it was the best way in the short term to convince one of the survivors to inject it since the station was going to go boom.
Well both pregnant women gave birth to some mutated freak.
One a giant face hugger because of infected semen and the other and infected human embryo.
What Romulus indicates is the A0-3959X. 91-15 Pathogen can be obtained from a Xenomorph.
It shows that this Pathogen can Mutate a Human to become a Hybrid that has some appearance of a Engineer.
We could Speculate that refinement of this could turn a Human into a Engineer...... it could explain why the Engineers in Alien Covenant were different because the Prometheus Engineers were augmented with the Pathogen.
Why we could even consider the Curveball that the Engineers came from US...they are a Evolution of Humans.
It shows the A0-3959X. 91-15 can be used to Clone Facehuggers too.
Yes! I plan to cover these concepts in upcoming videos!
@@ProjectACHERON Well it was such a simple concept originally (Scarabs).
It became a bit of a mess after though, just wasn't as easy to understand.
Looking at Spaights Scarabs...
IF......
Mass of Tiny Scarabs consume a Wolf they consume it until nothing remains.... each of thousands upon thousands of the Scarabs now have Wolf DNA stored in them.
These Scarabs with their Cargo of Wolf DNA, then bite a Human and the Human should Mutate into a Werewolf.
Use a Cat instead of a Wolf and the end Result is a Thunder Cat.
Take a Thunder Cat... use Sacrificial Scarabs on it and let one of these bite a Werewolf and then you should have a Hybrid of a Wolf, Cat and Human with at least 50% Human DNA.
It would seem that this kind of Cross Hybridization is what David had been doing with Various Organisms to combine their Traits to his Xenomorph.
Yes, that is the text of the film. That all the creationist shit is retconned and Engineers are humans altered with black goo by... well you can figure that part out.
Project: ACHERON and his buddy made the perfect explanation for the Jockey species and the Engineers. Everyone who I've showed his Alien Awakening animation has fallen in love with it.
The alien rpg has it that xx121 is just one of several lineages to be born of the black goo, and that all of them are just crude immitations of an ancient superalien called the Destroying Angel. The goo was its literal blood, and the engineers worshipped it and created xx121 and others in their attempts to recreate it, but none of their attempts were really successful. I feel like this is a more satisfying reconciliation of all the material, if you want to take the prequels at face value.
The substantial difference between Z-01 and Black Goo is that the former was synthesized from the cells of a xenomorph, while the latter from those of a different species, but genetically linked to the previous one.
The discussion around the actual 'Station" is interesting. What I gather is, it's called Renaissance Station but comprises of 2 laboratories Romulus and Remus. They found the Big Chap and Rook on Remus and discovered the pathogen on Romulus.
In the ancient tale Romulus killed Remus and being the stronger superior brother then created Rome.
I think the analogy is just like it, the fact that the more advanced superior species and the future was created in Romulus deeming the Remus alien obselete. Just like the brother killing and creating the new future.
Out with the old in and in with the new, goo!
Good overview guys! Loved the format.
Thanks!
I think in part this also might explain the mural of the xenomorph from Prometheus. I always inferred it looked like some venerated being from which the pathogen was derived, but that's just my interpretion and after the fact ofc;) Hopefully you enjoyed Romulus PA, I had some minor gripes, but overall I thought it was decent.
might have to address this is a future video, great point. love the film, only bit I didn’t was Andy’s bitch line lol hahah
It was an original artwork for Alien that wasn’t used. It was recycled for Prometheus, although not explained if it was the Deacon or a Xenomorph.
This is the direction i believe the alien should have went all along a truly perfect organism that has no need for what we " civilized" species have. And its seed is everywhere propagated by those who came before and thought they could control that which cannot be controlled and controls all around them through simply being. I love it the cosmic horror of the Alien is in full swing and it is glorious.
Problem is. You end up with something that isn't as entertaining, or easy to write filmable stories. That's why certain ideas are more suited to an expanded universe.
David's research paid off.
Yep!
@@ProjectACHERON You think this means the Alien Day Anthology short film "Last Signs of Life" is canon now?
I always thought that the Black Goo/Pathogen was extracted from the Xenomorphs DNA and blood because according to Ridley Scott the Engineers didn’t necessarily create Xenos instead they found them and extracted their genes and DNA to re-engine and reanimated them into bio weapons however their experiments seem to have been both incomplete and a failure for according to a deleted scene from Covenant there was going to be a fight scene between the Protomorph and Neomorph with proto emerging victorious which proves that the original form of Xenos is still stronger and superior compared to the pathogen ones except maybe for the Human Xenomorph Hybrid Offspring/Xenogineer
I knew the Zeno was not created by David or the Engineers, thanks to the mural the Prometheus crew finds at LV-223 clearly depicting a Xenomorph before David ever messed around with any of that stuff, the Engineers likely found that thing somewhere and managed to extract the black goo and used it to then do some experiments of their own
@@MelloPintor Exactly, I pointed that out too
Ridley Scott: "Herr derr David designed the xenomorph to look like the mural which is nothing more than Space Jockey art herr derr."
After a few years, the Hammerpede should be an Engineer looking bipedal being
@@MelloPintor There's another video that addresses the engineer history. The Deacon mural was of a pure alien that created the engineers in a way and provided life. After it died they saved it's life giving blood in order to seed worlds as well as reproduce. The goldish looking fluid in the engineer cup was the original Deacon blood. Obviously at some point they would run low so they attempted to reverse engineer the Deacon's blood, unfortunately what resulted was Z-01. Instead of giving life, it mutated it and created monsters. I don't believe the engineers in Prometheus were planning to bomb Earth, rather I think that like Renaissance station they were simply experimenting far away from others.
@@xc8487 A lot of the Information about the Xenomorph Blood from the Orange Prometheus Draft was unfortunately a Fan Edit....
The Mural was in part a Easter Egg nod to HR Giger, those who worked on the Mural said it was of the first Deacon the Engineers had Created.
What we likely saw in Prometheus was the Engineers obtaining the DNA of that Deacon via using the Sacrificial Goo... to then Syphon the Genetic Soup into the Urns/Apoules to use on Earth (sometimes to create one must first Destroy)
However with the Sacrificial Cup replaced with the Crystal/Resin we can be drawn to this somehow is where the Engineers had obtained Genetic Material that can create Deacon lile Organisms.
I don't think the Alien's basic blueprint is even DNA, but a radically advanced AI running nanoparticles, wildy creative and chaotic.
The pathogen was created from xenomorph dna. The Engineers created Humans with the pathogen. Humans were created from xenomorph dna.
I really enjoyed alien Romulus. I thought it was a great. I would love to see Alvarez do alien versus predator.
@@MichaelFalkowski I want him to direct a follow up to David story
Why are people like you not making these movies?? heck man.
Thanks I appreciate it! I tried with my animated series but I don’t think I’m qualified
@@ProjectACHERON we look forwards to that being continued once everything is stabilized.
Nice. How about the Deacon. Was she a lone ancestor of the Xenomorph whose blood allowed the Engineers to spread life in the galaxy?
Not exactly, the Original Pathogen is basically the untouched Dna of a Xenomorph or better say the Chemicals that the Facehugger use to create Chestburster. Those Chemicals were then used to create the Black Goo and its many Variations. The Deacon is a Result when the Goo interacts with multiple Dna structures of Humans like we see in Prometheus, the Deacon and Neomorph are simply said the Multiple Genetic Variations that can be created
So the xenomorph is really an actor for The Great Filter. I wonder if every species gets wiped out by it, or if there have been any species that got passed it? Like maybe the predators?
That’s a possibility. I mean, Fede Alvarez did say that he wants to work with Dan Trachtenberg on an AVP film, and Alien: Earth might confirm the fact that the Xenomorphs are an ancient race simply recreated by David. So, we might be seeing the building blocks of this rivalry’s cinematic return.
If the Pathogen came from the xenomorph itself, it feels weird to see it being experimented on the Xenomorph itself as seen with different mutated versions in some of the novels if I’m not mistaken such as Aliens: Infiltrator which the mutated Xenomorph are the result of the Ovomorphs being injecting with the pathogen causing the facehugger to mutate
HACKvarez doesn't care about Aliens: Infiltrator, he doesn't even know who the based Cruz was. He went on Xenopedia and copy-pasted some quotes into the movie, some even from the Alien: Cold Forge book, but I don't think he really has a deep Aliens culture...
Since they found "Big Chap" in some type of cocoon, from that it seems now 2 things are confirmed. One, the xenos can survive in the vacuum of space indefinitely and two, that cocoon could come from their secretions. From that resin a protective barrier forms around them.
@_Omega_Weapon wow, so the intro of the movie in Romulus that Alien was in that cocoon rock, I thought it was just a rock or something. It's interesting that an alien has a defensive mechanism to incase itself in a cocoon.
@imperiumgrim4717 were you even paying attention when watching...?
So that means there’s a queen floating around in deep space
@mrpowers4667 likely not she was so close the surface of the moon lv426 she likely burn up on reentry
@idiot_city5444 it was hard to see and too dark to look at bruh
Awesome video bro!❤
Thanks 🔥
Excellent analysis
Thanks
I'm pretty sure Rook used the words: reverse engineered.
I 100% buy in to the fact that the pathogen is derived from the xenomorph and was manipulated as a technology by the engineers. This elegantly incorporates the prequals into the law whilst preserving the cosmic horror aspects of the original films. I really hope this is the direction they take as this is my interpretation of it. Don't screw this up Disney!
So if the pathogen originated from the zenomorphs & the Engineers used that same pathogen to create humanity then that means we are connected to the zenomorphs themselves & share some of their DNA
Correct. It also explains how the xenos can take on the genetic traits of a host organism from a different biosphere to aid their own survival.
If most of the advanced life in the galaxy is the result of Engineer seeding of potentially habital planets with xeno derived black goo,that would
be a logical reason the "perfect organism" can readly adapt to new hosts and new environments.
I would not say so...
Things have become muddied and Romulus does not help.....maybe A0-3959X. 91-15 is used to Create all Life?
However it was more simple in the concept and first time the Substance was shown.....Alien Engineers/Genesis.
This showed us tiny Scarabs that would consume the DNA of a Organism and then be able to inject this onto another Organism to Create a Hybrid.
Humans are a Engineer consumed by these Scarabs that then these Scarabs bite a Primate (later early Hominid) to pass on Engineer DNA to create Humans.
LV-426 as it was in these drafts had the Engineers using these Scarabs to obtain the DNA from a Alien Organism and from this they Created numerous Monsters... the Xenomorph being one of them.
In Prometheus the Scarabs are merely replaced by Tiny Worm like Parasites but perform the same function as the Scarabs from Spaights drafts.
@@TheLAGopher That's right. Waylon yutani main business was creating habitable worlds for humans. But when they discovered the black goo, they could genetically engineer people to survive inhabitable planets
Incorrect, Engineers didn't create humans, the film shows an Engineer-like creature being born from a human. Engineers are humans modified by a form of black goo, this is the text of the film. Humans evolved naturally in Africa, because the Alien series is sci-fi, not fantasy, not some sort of creationist propaganda. The cold open of the theatrical cut of Prometheus is never dated or given any location, we have no idea when or where it happens, or even if the goo they were using was the same (it obviously isn't), and any suggestion that it happened on Earth, or when it happened on Earth, or what the result of that scene was, is pure speculation. But what we do know for certain now thanks to Romulus, is that Engineers are born from us, not the other way aroond. That matter is settled.
@@princessmaly Thats not really the case.
The principle of the Engineers were they would seed their DNA and Evolve Life in their image and that Humans are the results of their Genetic Space Gardening.
But its not spoon fed in the Movies... we Genetically are very similar and so we could come from them. They could come from us or we both come from another common source.
The Sacrificial Scene in Prometheus doesn't have to be Earth it just shows this is what the Engineers do.
In context to the Franchise we can't even be sure that Humans came from Earth.... i know in reality we do and we evolved from primates etc... but this is Sci-Fi giving us a Alternative Universe.
With Romulus we get the indication that the Z01 strain could Evolve a Human Fetus to become a Hybrid which has a similar look of the Prometheus Engineers.
The intention was that this Hybrid would continue to Mutate into something more closer to a Xenomorph.
We could Speculate that if you refined the Process or reduced the amount of Z01 exposure then its possible that you can Evolve a Human into a Prometheus looking Engineer.
What i take from Romulus is that the Properties of the Black Goo had likely been used to Evolve the Planet 4 Engineers (Alien Covenant) to be more Enhanced versions we see in Prometheus.
This is speculation on my part.
There's a second space station doing research.
The romulus and Remus nod is to ancient Roman mythology of twin brothers and their story with the founding of Rome. Rome eventually fell, there's a second space station
We need these now on earth more than ever.
Excellent video
Great stuff, also any more awakening animated in the works?
makes sense. BUT if the black good takes on traits of the xeno then wouldn’t humans already be linked with the xeno since it’s shown that the engineer drinking the black goo led to the human race and life on earth?
That could have been a variant of the substance considering it broken him down vs mutating him
@@ProjectACHERON I think it’s the same pathogen, that in large doses just demolishes you, like Prometheus’ opening scene and David’s engineer genocide.
I’m 50/50 on Engineers found the goo on Xenos so David couldn’t have created them, BUT, the human species DID come also from the goo messing with Engineer’s DNA, so I do think the human species is somewhat connected to that of the Xenos, and Engineers are supreme, meddled with this “first” and were using the black goo for their colonization purposes.
Very interesting and well-explained. I had heard in another channel that based on the discarded drafts of Prometheus, that the pathogen was not derived from xenomorphs but from the original Deacon (not the one we see at the end of the movie, but the one that inspired the mural). The Engineer that sacrifices himself to create life on Earth would do so using the blood of the original Deacon and t the black goo would be an attempt at recreating that blood once the Engineers had run out of it, and it backfired on them. What do you think of that theory?
Epic. Nice twist
Or Humanity could to be moving towards species of Xenomorph-Human hybridization? Zf-01, The Lady in Darkness, Lee Queen/Hybrid, Ripley 8.
Also implies Engineers may have not created humanity as if species mutated, created from the chemical, why arnt Earth species including all xeno? (may have been orignal plan but I actually hope Engineers making Humanity's been retconned)
I’ve got so much to say about this topic but in short, is it that the black goo is one and the same with the praepotens or rather that the black goo is derived from the praepotens?
So this is the Alien Universe's equivalent of super soldier serum 😂
[pretty much haha
Super Soldier serum gone wrong 😂
I get more of G-Virus vibes from R.E to be honest.
More like a super serum that only makes red skulls it doesnt mattercwho or what you are you will become a monster.
In the 90’s comics they harvest ‘Royal jelly’ from the Aliens a slime that when injected was basically a super serum..
The goal really was to harden humanity so that it is more exploitable. Exploitation is the theme of romulus.
So basically the engineers are the forerunners and the xenomorphs the precursors and black goo is the flood which originated from the precursors/xenomorphs
There are 2 really good YT videos about Prometheus Explained. They go after all the Haters, Negative Review Bombers, and people with no critiical thinking skills. They're really interesting and don't always assume conclusions b/c nobody knows everything for sure. Some are by KROFT (Mr. Monotone), and excellent one by TWIN PERFECT. Watch IF you really want to understand especially the TWIN's video. It all ties back to what this is about and why this video here is WRONG. Engineers created and/or found the pathogen and Deacon. Also possible they found it and further engineered it from some other form. We just don't know.
The golden goo is different from the black goo though. The first was the original blood of the deacon xenomorph the engineers encountered, while the last is their attempt (not unlike the humans') to reproduce it.
Golden goo?
This is a reference to the fan fiction script that Kroft devotes several videos to. It's not a real part of the backstory
This is a great way to make the Alien, Alien again. The black goo being something the engineers synthesized from the facehuggers works, and fixes the issue of David an AI being the creator of the Xenomorph, now David is merely an AI gone rogue trying to create life but an imperfect one, he is simply wanting to do what all living things want to do, have a “child”.
However, I do have some issues with this approach as well, especially how they were able to create a facehugger from the xenomorph, that just feels cheap and invalid. You can 3D print a creature but how can you give it life and make it alive?
My other problem with the black goo is how the engineers consumed it and it broke them down, all the way to their cellular level and this is what we see in Prometheus 1, yet when we injected it to a human it didn’t break them down. Why didn’t it aggressively evolve the engineer in Prometheus 1?
But anyway, the idea the xenomorph is an alien and the engineers were bioengineering them is a great idea. Just like some tribes that take venom, or mushrooms to hallucinate, the xenomorph is part of their culture and religious undertakings, unexplained but something they use to prolong their goals of destruction and life.
I never thought of Species X121 Xenomorph as being some kind of (potentially divinely made) biological safeguard/landmine against post-industrial sentient life proliferation (i.e. the Great Filter of the Fermi Paradox) but, it's an intriguing thought and lends greater credence to the oft-repeated phrase intuitively recognized by A.I.'s like Science Officers Rook and Ash "Perfect Organism"...because how could it be "perfect" unless created by "perfect beings", who're evidently greater than even the Engineers? Also explains why perfectionists like David (also A.I.) seek its refinement and recreation. It also begs the question, are Artificial Intelligences destined to become Luciferian archetypes that inherently turn on their creators? If that's the case, is it perhaps an allusion to the possible truthfulness of ideas like that of Peter Watts (author of _Blindsight, Starfish,_ and the Series _Crysis_ and _Behemoth)_ where conscious, sentient life like humanity is an anomalous "abomination" in a cosmos swarming with sentient species not plagued by our individualistic and self-destructive idiosyncrasies?
Right!
@@ProjectACHERON
Which would also explain, following Peter Watts' cognito-misanthropic logic, why the Engineer was angered at David as an artificial person, the same way, and forgive the allusion for the series is ultimately stupid, that Rick Sanchez acts indignant when he finds his decoys have been making decoys and initiated an "Asmimov Cascade". Maybe the Engineers are less conscious, acting on a more primal drive that better unites them, whereas our individuality and discordant dissonance as a species have made us uniquely susceptible to irrationality like greed and self-loathing. Maybe that's partly why they grew frustrated with us and furthermore enraged when we created life, like they did, in _OUR_ own image, the corrupted image of incorrigible brutes...with the will of its own to destroy corruptible brutes.
Not only did we make more intelligent and cunning versions of ourselves with synthetics, but, knowing that such artificial life tends to immediately seek out and destroy hominid sentience, the Engineer saw that we'd effectively made a devil armed with a better brain and a limitless lifespan, to serve ourselves so we could save the expense of training and patiently gaining the loyalty of our own people to do what it was doing.
That's Faustian lunacy, Sue Is Hyde All programming, and indiscriminate greed all in on being that had learned how to use my technology as a higher being in what, less than a day? I'd have torn its head off, too.
Hello, when are you going to release Alien Awakening episode 7 and 8 bro? Love you your content. Been waiting 4 years for it.. would really like to see the conclusion to your story.
Just saw Alien Romulus and your explanation totally makes everything that has happened in the franchise understandable. Once again the Xenos true origins are a mystery!
Please do a video on the Predalien!
An eldrich entity who give birth to the engineer, then the xenomoprh with its blood.
You really shouldn't be using stills from a pirated copy of the movie
Or an AI version of his own voice, lol.
Please tell me you are going to do the xenomorph from romulus 😅 next video 😊
SPECIES - Sil and Ripley /4 were perfect specimen.
I mean it’s subjective right
Then Space Jockey maybe the end result of a similar effect humans are trying
Good analysis. But I don’t think that just because Rook extracted the black goo from a facehugger means that the Engineers did the same.
I think it’s very likely and plays to the overall cosmic horror themes of the franchise.
I assumed that Rook had been able to reverse engineer the Pathogen from the Facehugger DNA, not that the facehugger is necessarily the origin of the Pathogen
Yes it just means the aliens have the pathogen in them.
tbh i think the black goo has xenomorph engineer and human dna mixed into it coz remember when shaw did a dna test on engineer blood and compared it to humans they matched so the engineers dna mixed with something else to create humans coz as we know the engineers are like 7 foot 8 and pale white while we are smaller with a pinker tone so it makes snes how the xeno species blends so well with humans or engineers aswell as other organic lifeforms
Very possible
I’m very happy they’re continuing these Prometheus plot threads. I think the Pathogen was one of the best things Scott added to the universe.
In ROMULUS the pathogen is created from Xeno blood/body fluids. Originally the black good pathogen is from the Engineers is ALL we know. They could have entirely created it in a lab. And the result is a DEACON not a Xeno. Or it could be from body fluids again. IF you go down this hypothesis ur saying it could have come from body fluids/blood of a Deacon. Either way it's not from a Xeno. There is nothing n the films, cut scenes, art books to suggest that the Engineers did not Entirely Create the pathogen themselves... especially with the superior TECH they possess. They are suggest to be world builders, ancient beings that have been around for a long time IF they created life on Earth they are millions of years ahead of us.
Why would xenomorphs get affected by pathogen (fireteam elite) while literaly beign created from it tho, after reading some comments about why black goo cant be found in humans if it was what was used to create life on earth, i personaly think that we could have both black goo beign from xenos and the first deacon canon at the same time, it would still make sense.
Just realized the Double Y chromosome Inmates from Alien 3 may mean the survivors of Alien Romulus did make it to that colony or weyland yutani used it to create terraforming colonist,which could explain the YY chromosome and no X Chromosomes. It ties in Brilliantly.
Uhhhh what about the deacon?
Can we hear your real voice ever again or do we just get minimum viable product AIslop now
I think good ol Evolution would've been a better explanation for Xenomorph
That basically what’s explained here is that
David8 is the true master mind behind all of this remember what he told the company “IF YOU DO THIS MY CREATURES SHALL BE SET LOOSE…. TO RULE THIS 🌌 GALAXY!…”
Black Goo 🤮
"Engineers" albino retcons in space-suit 🤮
Space Jockey (Alien, Aliens: Outbreak, Aliens: Apocalypse) ❤
Agreed. Although the Engineers could be considered to be a slave race of the Spave Jockeys along with others
Could it not mean that the xeno was created with the black goo and that's why we can find it in it's DNA ?
That’s possible
@@ProjectACHERON I just found out a reason that could validate your theory (and I'm happy about it) in Prometheus we know that the life on earth was created due to a mutation between black goo and enginner DNA so if Xeno was created also by black goo and that we can find black goo in his DNA then we should find it in human DNA but as shown in Romulus human don't have it in their DNA meaning that black goo was firstly found in the xenomorph genetic code. The second element of my theory is the Alien earth tv show that will take place around the same times as prometheus and the teaser was showing a Xeno. But this is still speculation tho.
@@ProjectACHERON Well I just saw an interview about the final act of the movie where Fede Alvarez says that the Xenomorph come for the black goo, a new problem with the black goo cause if the xenomorph were made using black goo and that we can find it in his DNA why human that we were also created with blackgoo don't have it in their DNA.
Not confident in validity of the chicken vs egg conclusion you came to but cool vid nonetheless!
So the Goo is Xeno Juice. I knew it. Lol 😅
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Also its the romulus station why do gou keep calling it the Renaissance station lol
Renaissance Station is the actual name, which comprises of 2 labs Romulus and Remus
@AleToTheThief no it isn't muthur even called it romulus it's right in the trailer
@@KadeSmash yes it is
Have you even seen the film?????? The synopsis even states Renaissance station
@AleToTheThief I saw it once but they kept calling it romulus it was even on the side of the station so unless I missed something 🤷♂️
I don't know where it came from, altho I'm going back for a second viewing Monday
Chat gpt has ruined this world
Knew I couldn't be the only one who noticed he has an AI doing his voice now.
Not chat gpt parts are from a software descript. I record the voice over and it can make correction after the fact with an AI version of my voice.
I think the whole pathogen goo concept is a bit ridiculous really. It seems so potent by itself, why bother having the xenomorph.
Well the idea is that it’s part of the xenomorph species and that harnessing it has dire consequences. Similar to Crisper CAS 9 in humans
Alien Needs a cigarette smoking man
Who comes up with these names that all the posts/blogs/threads pick up? 😆 Big Chap? The Deacon? Space Jockey?
Excellent explanation, it explains a lot and simply everything, now David story just becomes irrelevant
I don’t think it’s irrelevant I think it’s a stepping stone
@@ProjectACHERON Ridley Scott in interviews after Alien Covenant went to say that we changed who made the Xenomorph from the Engineers to David, now after Alien Romulus, both didn’t, which was clearly from Prometheus but the Engineers were essential to the story, unlike David
The Predators creates the aliens in the means to hunt them... lol, jk
Hah
Nope, As far as I am concerned Covenant is not Canon and in no way did David create the Xenos.
It's Canon, and David thought he created the Xenomorph, he simply created a version of it
It is canon and my video explains how he recreated them not created them?
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Not sure I agree with your interpretation. I don't think z01 from Romulus is the original black goo from the engineers. What I see is as following: engineers black goo -> david uses it to create xenomorphs (not deacons) -> romulus lab catches the xenomorph -> reproduction of facehuggers -> extraction of black substance -> who knows what processes they use to synthethise essence -> z01 -> the offspring
He doesnt say that it is the Original. z01 is basically a Genetic Variation of the Black Goo. See it like this: Engineers used the Chemicals from the Facehuggers that create Chestbursters, they made Research on those Chemicals and created the Black Goo. Rook took the Dna from Big Chap, created Modified Facehuggers and then took Samples from their Chemicals and made z01. You can say that Rook did recreated the Black Goo and slightly Modified it. This kinda makes z01 a Sister Strain of the Original Black Goo. And yes David made Xenomorphs on Planet 4 but not exactly 1/1 Versions. He just recreated the Things he thouth was right. Creating the Protomorph. This was also confirmed to be the case in Aliens Roleplaying Game that is offical canon and also in the Novel of Alien Covenant. The other Variants of Xenomorphs like the Deacon and Neomorph are the genetic result of unchecked Mutation when used as a Weapon
@xenoboy7828 interesting
The Black Goo is the single most unnecessary bit of lore added to the series (like midichlorians in Star Wars). I don’t think that I’m the only long time fan who finds it completely unneeded? The xenomorph is a mysterious creature unlike anything else in existence. It is a Lovecraftian eldritch horror beyond our understanding. You can study it but you can never truly understand it nor ever hope to control it. You can’t beat it, it’s like a virus. All you can do is avoid it. The more it is rationalised the less interesting it is and the more that the ‘rules’ laid down in the original films are ignored the duller it gets.
20 mins chestbursters like in Romulus? I thought that trash was best left to the dire AVP films…
It originated in a bad script.
Wrong! The captured xenomorph was encased in a huge block of metal which had to be cut in half, so it's not the xenomorph from the Narcissus it's another one from the Nostromo explosion ie there was more than one.
Except that we clearly see the harpoon that Ripley fired into it still embedded in its body.
I didn't observe a harpoon, but if it was in such a state of mechanical injury, how did it become encased in a huge block of metal?
@@jonathanpoole5316 It wasn't a huge block of metal, it was a protective cocoon that the xenomorph extruded around itself to protect itself from the vacuum of space. We see a xenomorph emerge from a similar cocoon elsewhere in the movie.
@@saidakhu aha! From the way they were handling it, it looked super heavy, which something made with stuff like hydroflouric acid would not be, besides it would not be so dense. Old age, knackered eyesight and deaf, I had a lot of trouble telling what anyone was saying quite a lot of the time as well 😎
@@jonathanpoole5316 me too. The British accents really ruined it for me. I couldn't understand half of what was being said
This whole black too has ruined the franchise
Black goo
I hate Prometheus and covenant. God it ruined alien lore.
So if David made the xenomorphs how did the engineers make the goo thousands of years before hand? What did they base it on? What alien jizz did they find and use to make it? Because those two stupid movies literally say David made the xenomorphs. The xenomorphs didn't exist before he made them. Idk maybe I'm overthinking it because screw it. In ten years they will change the lore again. Ha
@warhawk4494 if you haven't, look up Alien Awakening animated by Project: ACHERON. It is such a treat that puts mystery back into the franchise.
The Engineers exracted the black goo billions of years ago from Xenos they stumbled upon travelling the galaxy.The Xenos became the foundation
of Engineer genetic science,religion,and culture.We can see that in the murals depicting a xeno on LV-223. That's why in Prometheus and Covenant we saw the Engineers hauling black goo in their ship holds, while in Alien, the Engineer ship had actual Zeno eggs in it's hold. The Engineers are both
harvesting the actual xeno species,which they may have genetically tweeked,and using the xeno derived black goo for terra forming,life seeding,
and bio-warfare.
David had daddy issues and a God complex. The thought that his creator was a mortal man who played God in creating him, messed with David's mind. How could a flawed,mortal human design a superior AI that was immortal? David found the black goo but missed the Engineer murals depicting the xenos. David did his own experiments with the goo,which being derived from xeno DNA,resulted in xeno like mutations in his test subjects. He didn't create xenos.He discovered that exposure to the black goo resulted in subjects mutating with xeno like traits. David
assumed he was creating a new order of life when instead he was creating his own varients of the original xeno strain.
Great explanation
I was waiting for you to post a vid about the Z-01 accelerant, good job. I really like the movie, had some very minor gripes both it was very good overall. It is definitely a solid no.3 in the Alien cinematic universe, I love Alien and Aliens films equally but consider them not the same genre, one is sci-fi horror suspense while the other is scif-fi action horror. If Fede Alvarez decides to make a sequel or a different Alien film, I hope he can build upon what he's created lore-wise and further the franchise.
Couldn’t agree more!
Cleansing space faring races from the universe.... except for this one that actually breeds the fucking things and hunts them for fun theyre uhhh well theyre different
Or enenereerd create this fluid and the aliens from if but in contact with fluid alien like form
Correct I think?
I haven't seen it yet but i hope this is as true as it sounds because it creates space for the mystery of xeno origins again. It also implies that the engineers are essentially everything WY want to do but they fail each time.
I kept dying on the hill that the xeno's weren't created by David or any nonsense like that but, the black goo is just a product of reverse engineering Xenomorphs.
Couldn’t agree more it’s so nice to have this in the lore now!
Somethings that Romulus also helps canonize is egg morphing. The original xx121 Xenomorph managed to start a hive in the lower decks without a queen.