OFFICAL Season 10 Tier List - Best and Worst Heroes | Overwatch 2 New Meta
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Bro Hanzo and Genji has been dealt dirty for nearly the entire lifespan of Overwatch 2. Every time they're good they get nerfed or their counters get hard buffed.
guess the devs don't like them compared to tracer soj
@@avocol4589 tracer is somewhat fine, she's kinda braindead thanks to 5v5 games are more snowball-y, but still hard to master tbh
soj just sucks, she works less for better damage than soldier, 2 hours of aim practice you can do well.. it literally takes 2 braincells lmao
That’s what happens to projectile heroes that aren’t named Sojourn
@@efemji pretty much lmao, i have like 3 hours on soj versus my hundreds on genji and I'm forced to swap most of the time to her if i want to win games
@@efemjiwouldnt call tracer brain dead but her counters arent nearly as good as they was in ow1
ive had the worst quality games in the entirely of ow2 this szn just horrible
Yeah agree
Yeah its been rough
agree
same
This is so much more efficient. When I watch Flats make a tier list he sits there yapping away for a full HOUR. I could almost finish the original Lion King movie in the time it takes him to make one tier list.
You watch the long videos because you like the discussion. If all you care about is the list, skip to the end and it's over in second.
@@FGHypnotiq I want a quick "This hero is B tier only because of that hero, but if that hero ever gets nerfed this one will move to A tier because of x" not a 7 min yap session about how Mauga can't die if he just shoots the tank and tanks have to hide behind corners yap yap yap.
@@FGHypnotiq I can't believe we spent an entire hour talking about that terrible balance patch. It's quite amusing, actually.
That's why I prefer to watch Samito over other paid Overwatch content creators, LOL.
if ow2 is your life....I guess that happends ...they forget that real ppl have to work 8-10h a day and have other stuff as well to do.
I look 20 sec into it and done...
Season of Tank Diff incoming soon
Nah SP Diff very very hard
swear it's been tank diff every season
@@ArmyofDrag343 nah it just seems like that because a diff in any role results in the tank getting rolled.
@@MrClassytangerine brings us right back to needing 6v6 🤣
@@ArmyofDrag343 ...... It's the same in 6v6. In fact it was worse. Tanks in 6v6 were just a wall and if you have less resources behind your wall the wall will fall
Great tier list overall, only thing I disagree with is Ashe. The revert to the 20% has caused her dynamite to be seriously oppressive at points and can consistently battle an enemy mauga from range where he’s weakest
True, I played her yesterday and I was amazed by the havoc I was creating with the dynamite...
This is for diamond and above lower rank is very different
And doesnt her dynamite allow for Mauga to land crits on the opponent thats burning? People really miss how out on synergy in comps by looking directly at faults. Ashe should be in A tier.
@@oOYourdadOo I believe it does which is insane given that Mauga is S tier...
I said back when they first reworked pharah that her problems wouldn't be fixed samito
I think the chill burst idea they tried to do before my actually work now with this version of overwatch. She does need help rn though tbh
I think Mauga is a trap hero. He isn't as good as people think. Sigma hard counters him and overall is a more well rounded tank than he is.
From my experience he doesn’t even really counter hog. Hog soaks all the damage and helps his team melt mauga.
The fact that ball could very well still be upper B (upper mid) and likely barely A (Good tier) even after the rework really tells us how fucking bad 5v5 is. Ball was one of those tanks in 6v6 where if this tank was good the meta was most likely in a healthy place...and now like winston and rein he's rarely really seen in the meta of ow2.
OW1 meta was never healthy if Ball was meta. No tank really synergized with him other than maybe Hog but then you had two off tanks leaving the team behind. The healthiest metas were literally rush and dive, i.e. Rein/Zarya and Winston/Dva. Rein and Winston are the best main tanks and the game is best across the board when they are meta. Always has been.
@@wookieninja8794 you...are...aware rein, Winston, and sigma were all used with ball to great success. Pretty sure the last meta was ball and sigma. You might be right with the game not being healthy if ball was meta defining but ball definitely synergized with some of the tanks.
Rein ball comp was called deathball and winston ball was a more aggressive divey alternative to winston dva whereas dva was used more to allow for peeling, ball winston was you go in and FUCK the entire enemy backline..
And both the comps ball were really good in were also very healthy for the game.
@@wookieninja8794Ball was always played as a main tank in high ranks. Ball Dva was the best dive comp most of the time
I miss when you could play practically any hero and if you were skilled with said hero, you would do fine. Now you gotta play "meta" kinda deal. I haven't played OW in like weeks. Its just barely fulfilling. Great tier list IMO. Thanks GOAT
I cant wait until the next tier list next week! so excited!!!! lets frkn goooooo.... i need my tier lis!!!!!!
I’ve been enjoying OW again, had to take a break but it’s becoming fun again! Also thank for a tier list vid that isn’t 45 minutes long
Did you have a favorite change? Or was it just from the break
Bro just give us 6v6 and buff rein 😭
When will another Coaching Session drop? That last one was fire and essential. I need more. We need more
Widows only broken if you leave her to shoot fish in a barrel, if you actually counter her, shes dog shit unless your Melio, Kephrii, Kenzo.. etc.
This is before the midseason patch, right?
Ball in A tier is wild
S tier
@@xTurtleOW delusional
He’s c tier at best lol
maybe at the highest tiers of play Mei is bad because she doesnt have the burst you guys needs but low masters and diamond and below, she's still really strong because a headshot on tracer will still force her out of the fight for a sec, and Mei's power is in her wall and her ability to section off the enemy team while keeping high pressure on the frontline and being basically unkillable. She's also not bad in the ult fight, Blizzard is still a massive ult as long as you outplay the suzu or lifeweaver abilities. She doesnt do damage to Mauga but she doesn't have to, you trap him in with your team and cut off his support and now Mauga looks silly. I think you got her way too low on this list
I found a lot of lower rank maugas feed alot and depend on heals. Mei is great at separating the tank from the rest of the team with the wall no one shoots through.
@@lucianwebbiv6946 people underestimate how much enemy stupidity can change a characters strength. Like if the enemy lifeweaver was smart enough to save petal for the wall to go up and over it, mei loses all value-- but that doesn't happen so you get to farm from free lol
But making points to a tier list based off bad players making bad plays with certain heroes doesn’t really make sense when a tier list is about how the characters compare to each other when played correctly lol.
Like Genji is bad. But low ranked players can barely shoot him or kill him if he manages deflect cooldown well which makes him actually solid in those ranks but that doesn’t change the fact that Genji is himself a weak hero. Mei being better vs worse players is true for all characters
@@sGzBugz you might have a point if low masters high diamond wasn't where most the old gm players ended up after the rank shift when they released champ. She works basically right up until the literal top level of play, and I'm sure a little coordination would still clean a tracer up if you headshot her with Mei. It's not like you headshot her and she's zipping around with a full healthbar. You still force her to run. She still has an entire kit outside of one shotting tracer which still makes everyone miserable
Anywhere we can find the music playlist?
Lets get an Ow1 and ow2 seasons tier list
@SamitoFPS I'm not sure what changed, but your microphone volume seems lower than usual. It used to be perfect.
holding out for those hanzo buffs! what ever could go wrong!!
Was this before the armour Directors take?
I disagree with a lot on this list lol
About Phara: That's what I think. Now she is better and more annoying. The projectile speed was dumb so she could poke easier with more mobility. I really hate that hero, it is never fun to play against.
road taken my beloved
Yo Sam….
There’s no such thing as a “one hit combo”
That’s like saying “ a five book trilogy “
Iv had alot of success with venture when im playing rein kinda odd but what iv seen as a rein main
Im not a Pharah player but after the rework i think she is pretty fun. Camping the skybox with a Mercy seems very cringe so the current state i find fun.
7:38 You can still do the one shot combo its just harder now
You can still kinda one shot if you hit someone into a wall and melee them after
@@blueythefirst5086 Or do a melee animation cancel
pharahs projectiles are way too large for how fast they are, i swear they are competing with orisa spear for the least accurate hitbox compared to the visible projectile.
Mauga OTP here. I think he's FANTASTIC, but he's going to get mega held back by DPS Passive. Getting 20% less heals over time, THAT ADDS UP when you try to use Cardiac, or if you don't have it and are getting hard pocketed by supports. I think any Tank with a Shield or Barrier is gunna do really well this season, to get the Health passive. I've actually been loosing fights as Mauga to Rein since unless your DPS are helping you, you can't burst down Rein shield in one Magazine which leaves you helpless when you run out of ammo.
Mauga will be Meta, but your counters you REALLY feel now, and you're going to need more teamwork with your team to cover your weakspots.
Y he put ana so low too? She hard counters mauga. Combo'd with DPS passive my torb melts mauga from range with ana nade + dart.
@@ElPIMPADElic2kiriko
This list would be a lot different if it was for the metal ranks.
Sombra being more prone to punishment is debatable tbh. The perma invis is one of the most miserable things I've ever had to deal with. She takes ALL of the meaning of "fun" out of this game. It doesn't matter what role you are, if she decides she's going to target you all game, well, then you can't play the game. It's not hard to land virus (bs ability btw) whatsoever so she instantly fries you. Honestly if she didn't go invis so soon after throwing tp then I couldn't care less.
Yes, you can deal with her given there's good team communication, however, 9/10 times there's a Sombra harassing me (support main) or my other support, there's almost no help whatsoever. That being said, I can almost deal with her if I'm Moira or Brig, but then when I'm fighting for my life on the back I have my tank/dps spamming "support diff" in chat. She creates toxicity just by existing.
Sombra TP removes a ton of risk so she’s really braindead
I got banned for typing stars **** to make it look like I was cussing
yo let me become the new channel manager, I'd upload this the day u streamed. this like 6 days old from your stream
i'll work for scraps
just email him bro
give this neet a chance sammy
@@mintcake6895 🙏🙏Samitoooo I’ll go crazy with the uploads no cap
CRAZY HOW different yours, Flats, and all the other top players tier list are
maybe that means things are semi ballanced ?
The patches alter the tier lists greatly. And everyones tiers are usually only off by 1 level max
the age of mauga has awoken, get hp diffed and like it. Since you still can't unlock him for free, should be good. Great game blizz.
You can tho
Everyone unlocked all the old heros for free now
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 yeah, once you unlock all the OW1 characters, you also immediately unlock all the OW2 ones
@@ciach0_you had to unlock ow1 heros???
@@daturalover yea for new accounts, it was pretty ridiculous how many games you needed to do
@@BlueRiptide that’s so crappy😭😭 I had to unlock ow2 characters but that’s it and i didn’t care for unlocking them either
Tbh i think nobody actually knows who the best characters to use this season and especially the tank rework coming,, at this point in time its kinda mixed,
Is mauga not giga nerfed with the reduction in critical damage? His main targets he's sustaining off of has that 30% damage reduction, so is he not healing off of 50% of the 70% critical damage he's doing to tanks?
Oh wait this isn't mid-season is it
devs confirmed his crits are completely separate from the headshot calc changes i believe
As soon as they got rid of Hanzos 1 shot I stopped playing. Haven’t touched the game since
Mauga doesn’t seem that broken this patch, honestly hog seems leagues better. Having a 50% damage reduction on a 2 second cooldown the entire game is too underrated, plus being able to safe self heal for when you really need it. Hog beats mauga currently.
Enough with Lifeweaver slander and it's not even just my bias. All he needs is damage buffs yet everyone will always only see him as a healbot when he has so much potential when played efficiently.
Ram in B tier is insane 💀
Ball is between B and C
I hate having DVa now. She's just so short ranged on her dives and dm isn't something easy to play around like bubble or ball slam or doom punch, jus feels so passive and non engaging in comparison
Suzu shouldn't heal, ofuda speed didn't need the buff, Swift step would still be useful with a short cast time for players who know what cover is.
mugambe stronk
I had a game of open q comp where the clear shitter of the lobby swapped to tracer, didn’t even play all that well and I’m not even being mean, but my teammates couldn’t kill her. It was 2 tanks 1 dps vs 3 dps 2 supports.
Tracer has always been a high skill cap character.. shes very beatable, especially in open q lol, yall just didnt swap correctly or yall just bad.. or the tracer was actually good. her and genji should always be at the top of the tier list.. thats how it should go.. the higher the skill cap the higher the tier, I play alot of tracer always have, and quite a bit of soujourn, there are alot of hanzos in the metal ranks right now that can stop her with a nicely timed shot.. ashe wrecks her if your any good, sig does very well against her, there are so many counters.. jsut gotta learn to play a multitute of characters... thats why i play random hero alot.. for one its probably one of the funnest game types.. thats why it went from part time arcade.. too full time arcade, to main list in quick play, with a massive part of the quick play player base playing it.. but it teaches you how to at least learn the bassics of most characters.. oh yea junk is good against her. sombra can work her over if you hit your shots. widow can own her...
my favorite thing to do as a dva main is squishing tracers with my re-mechs
Ever since they took away Mei's Primary Freeze, she's Never been the same. She's done. Darth Mei-Gus is Done
If mercy becomes too good she turns into a must pick unless enemy team runs heavy dive
Rein would've been S tier if paired with Mauga.
nah, Sigma has been a better version of that hero since his release
Incredibly based take on Ana btw.
Said the same thing since forever, Ana was never that good in 5v5, especially since Kiriko exists. The stats prove this as well. But people kept making fun of me and pretending I was giga biased since I'm an Ana main.
(High GM player btw, playing in T500 lobbies with the likes of Onigod and such constantly. Just can't force myself to play the game a lot anymore. It fell off hard)
Hanzo is at his Balanced state at the moment! He is at LEAST B tier!
Reaper otp here
Gonna be real he is pretty strong solo que always has been. He just gets trash the higher you climb. Once you understand how to time flanks and playstyles of the other team you can farm up to very high masters. He is a timing based hero right place right time. That is what makes him hard to play and to otp. You do not get value ada at choke playing slow. You get value on game sense and hard reads. Knowing when and where a team fight happens. Who to pick off who to spawn camp. Should I peal for my Ana Zen? I say he is he a Mid tier because once you understand the game he is a pretty good hero to 1 trick. Blossom is dog though lmao go for a solo ult on every Mercy you find (;
How is Hanzo bad?
More red hot takes from the Ben Shapiro of ow
can you make a video on why well balanced oneshots are good actually and not breaking any skilled game
I think he said Hanzo’s one shot was fair in 6v6 because the second tank would often deny Hanzo the angles to hit it
@@theburningcoder5859 I know and I wish 6v6 was brought back because, a 3v3 on one side of the map and a 3v3 on the other, is better than 2 pocketed dps and a tank losing their mind.... i still think its fair and important even for roadhog widow and hanzo, it just doesnt need to be so readily available (especially widow) in a 5v5 environments where squishy kills matter more.
This should be called the "IF Mauga is Good" tier list, and mauga isnt fun.. so in the metal ranks this list is totally differnt because people play who they want at tank.. and if only 2 people on your team have brain cells your gonna loose.. zero comms, everyone thinks they are the shit.. the meta doesnt matter so this tier list, well doesnt apply to most metal rank games.. every game i play with a terrible Kirko/ mercy combo.. and or a Kirko/ana combo.. and a ball.. its just all over the place.. come play with us plebs and see what its really like or watch a few more vods instead of the 5v5 crusade your on.
I LOVE PHARAH RAHHHHH
Why so many bots in the comments?
I jus want rein to be good again man :/
Samito every patch: “All my heroes I play are no more than B tier and every hero I matchup bad against is S tier”
@@dSYNYSTERbdoom is s tier, genji is at least a tier, hanzo is b or a tier
@@colbyjacobs8280 naaaah no way genji is A tier. you just had that one terrible game and met a one trick and your team is having a hard time countering him lmao
pick any auto dmg hero like winston its over for him
Good video but ball being A tier is a huge L. The hero is absolutely trash
Nah the lifeweaver hate isnt warranted
Should have a drinking game or sweepstake on how long before he says "I was number one on X hero". Guy is so full of himself. This is the worst tier list I've seen so far. Love how echo is just good A and pharah is broken A. I wonder which of those 2 Crymito plays?
Mid season update is stupid bring out the patch now. These devs just waiting for failure.
you think kiri soj will ever be bad?
Kiri is the poster girl so no
As of season 9, the game’s been ruined for me as an Ana main. Won’t come back until she gets some serious buffs and is at least usable
One trick pony
@@Hex05 hey man. If that’s what makes me quit playing this shitty game and in turn quit smoking weed I’m all for it lol
if you guys want tier list this isn't it, not this youtuber.Go somewhere else. Tracer isn't on S. Also you can't carry with dps on this season you can't solo que with other roles.
The Man with the A-tier hairline has spoken.
Imagine showing Flats that it is actually possible to make a 13minute tierlist... thanks for not making it a lecture Sam, I really appreciate that
nah hanzo d is just him being mad about the one shot being taken away
his oneshot was what made him a hero... so thats pretty logical xD
@@shadowgaming9002 yeah but worse than junk or weaver nah
@@alexandergooch481 you might just not be seeing the whole picture here...
@@shadowgaming9002 sure but 1 shots are awful and the change is good
@@SlongestKongest i agree oneshots are awful to vs. But its still what made hanzo a hero. Widow without a oneshot would also be completely awful
"brig has some maps where she can fit into some comps" puts her at A tier? lmao
mercy and especially lifeweaver should have a tier below D for themselves
ball A tier ? lol
DVA is good… puts in A tier 🤨
Junkrat is worse than hanzo by a mile
this meta horrible bro
Reaper is still good in low ranks
that doesnt make him good
reaper is always good in low ranks, low elos are blind as a bat
he's talking generally + pro
And?
Sojourn is such a stupid character I hate that she is probably forever good bc if she gets nerfed in any meaningful way she probably will be ass unplayable. But I hate how much damage she gets for nothing
Isn’t sig situational though
Nah he’s useful in a lot of situations
Yee
Hog destroys doom
what was that random anime girl for the subscribe alert lmao
i didn't ask for the mauga matchup teirlist, i asked for the season 10 teir list stop crying because one character is in the absolute bin and be happy for the good state the game is in
Ana and genji are not C. Bro is coping hard.
Cass in the same tier as Bap? Really?
They’re both good
Lucio is terrible dude ill just play soldier or cass and beam them
Lol
Bro can you call him either Mow-ga or Mwow-ga like the latter sounds cringe even if it’s the correct pronunciation but at least choose one of the two - the whole video is him just calling him 2 diff names I was laughing
maaaaan this is far too soon lmao the armor changes and all that is far to soon to see all the different playstyles and people playing.
the mid season patch hasnt dropped, the tier list is clearly one for the current patch not for future armor changes one
no that's for next patch, the armor change is not live yet
lucio's ass dude, especially in mid season. you just afk on heal and farm beat. if you go speed (other than koth maps) it's over cus the enemy lucio will have beat faster
This guy just refuses to put Brig below A tier In any list he makes 😂. She is not better than Zen, Moira, Ana, Illari or agruably even Weaver after the Tree buffs. Dps passive being at 20% again guts Brigs pack healing, inspire healing, self healing everything. And rally is like the slowest building supp ult In the game even after the recent buffs she got.
Tracer also used to be weak against Brig In ow1 but In season 10 Ow2 she just one clips ur shield, perma applies - 20% self heal and pulse bombs you to death over and over.
Brig is like only good against Ball and Dva but no one plays them. Even Winston nowadays shreds through Brigs health with his buffed m1 damage and on top of it he ignores armor with it too 💀
So Samito is wrong?
@@2be6081 About Brigs placement for sure. And he knows it too but he's been calling her broken for so long that he will never look at her power level objectively again and put her lower on the list, despite Brig being one of the worst supports in the game for several seasons in a row now.
She's also the only support who is basically unplayable into rein too while Rein is D tier lol
@@danieljuntunen2320people still haven’t gotten over brig meta from 6 years ago. It’s pathetic, Moira and Lucio are better against dive at this point and the whole point of brig was to counter dive lol
@@necrosis6037 Yeah ever since they removed stun from shield bash at the start of ow2 Brig has NOT been anti dive lol. She's just another healbot just like Mercy and Weaver who suffers a crap ton from the New Dps passive. Also funnily enough Brig is the squishiest of the three 😂 if ever more than 1 person dives you at the same time you just instantly explode. Mercy and Weaver both have WAY better tools to survive
@@danieljuntunen2320 don’t even know why they took away her stun when sombra can cancel ultimates easily with little to no risk with an ability. At least with brig you need to be on ground, close range, and if she uses it aggressively in a team fight she has a high change of losing. Now the best use of it is running away
I played 1 game of Nerfed Orisa on 20% dps passive 5-6-25 FOR THE PROGRESSION, THERE WAS NO SWAPPING
The enemy was Doomfist. I could still EASILY walk in open space, kill squishies AND deny Doom’s value. Orisa is STILL nasty and balance WILL NOT fix her
Blizzard should go back to 6v6 with the overwatch game.
Agreed
100% agree on this!
Yes.
You're overrating mauga, he rly isnt that good rn
wrong sym is terrible even on her good maps
putting doom into A team means i cant upvote this video i just CANT diamond/master getting stuck with a doom/ball tank is just a auto L.
that means yo brain too slow if you can’t play with a doom
ew you're one of those, the tank pick is not what's losing you those games buddy
@@lostmycat5671 Oh so you think people are winning 4v5 when their tank is just going in Solo and dying? Especially if their take is making space or denying depending on what side You're on. The tank is very important. What an L take
@@Docthundadude their in the same rank as you 2 lol
R.I.P 🖐🧼
Hanzo can still one shot a tracer
Yk just 1 out of 40 characters😂
tier list for current meta with changes next week is insta L. The more I watch this guy the less sense he makes.
71 views in 2 minutes he fell off
overwatch is just becoming stale
Very true overwatch is boring now marketability has gone like people aint watchin it or carin like they used too
Your life means nothing
Bro you fell off.
@LucioMainOW The same unoriginal comment lmfao.
I'm going to stalk you irl and do something I will regret.