Littlefinger: his death explained (it was good)
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- A few people have asked me for my opinion on the “Littlefinger is alive theory.” or the “Littlefinger faceless man” theory.
The short version of that theory, is that this girl is a faceless man. Littlefinger pays her here. So she wears his face, and then she’s the one who is killed, meaning littlefinger is still alive.
This is not true. Littlefinger is dead.
A full analysis of Season 7 Littlefinger, Sansa, Arya, and Bran will be in the video published later today.
But first. Let’s go over 4 things you should know about this theory and faceless men, in general.
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This is a *NON-SPOILER VIDEO* for Season 8 on a *NON-SPOILER CHANNEL*
Please do not ever mention set, cast, script, or plot leaks in any context. Because homie don't play that. Thank you!! =))
In all seriousness, my Lord, love your vids
Hodor is the prince who is promised, Brienne of tarth is Jamie's half sister and kills Cercie & The night king is a faceless man.
I like how you choked slammed Littlefinger like Ned.
Is bridge4 a reference to the cosmere or stormlight?
You got it, gancho :)))
You left out the thing I think I loved best about Littlefinger's downfall. It's a complete inversion of what happened to Ned Stark in Season 1. Ned wasn't a fool, he was just perfectly adapted to life in the North. For Ned, honor and loyalty were the general rule. He took that perspective with him when he went South. Unfortunately, in the south, loyalties are constantly shifting rather than the constant that they were in the north. So, when Ned failed to adapt to the reality of his new surroundings, he became vulnerable to the Littlefinger's machinations.
In Littlefinger's case, he was perfectly adapted to a world where people's loyalties were conditional, and could be purchased. Friends (and even family) could be turned against each other with the proper inducement. When Littlefinger went North, he took that way of thinking with him. He continued to play his treacherous games, not realizing that he was doomed to fail. The Starks just don't turn on each other. Arya and Sansa always had issues with each other, but ultimately they would do what their father had taught them to do...stand together. Sure, Littlefinger could cause some disruptions, but he was never going to get the Stark siblings to actually turn against each other. Trying to do so led to his fall at the hands of Ned Stark's kids. So, in both cases, you have people perfectly adapted to their own environment getting killed because they failed to adapt to the new environment in which they found themselves.
As has been said before on the show, "When Winter comes, the lone wolf dies, but the Pack survives." We knew that winter had come. We knew that Littlefinger was a lone wolf. We knew that the Stark siblings were a pack. So, the end result was a foregone conclusion.
That is perhaps the best analysis that I have heard about Littlefinger's death and very much the truth, which is ultimately what brought him down.
@@Korijenkins1414 You are misrepresenting the deleted scene. In the scene, Sansa went to Bran for the information. That means that she had to have already suspected that he was trying to play them. Even if she were unsure (which is hard to believe given her "only a fool would trust Littlefinger" comment to Jon), Arya being "escorted" to the hall occurred afterwards. That means that this was all a ploy to lull Littlefiner into a false sense of security. The Stark siblings showed Baelish what he wanted to see, and what he might expect to see in other areas of Westeros. As for the earlier tension between Arya and Sansa, I have no doubt that was real. The two were always quite different, and that caused them to be at odds with each other at times. There's a huge difference between that, however, and actually betraying your sibling. As their father taught them, "In Winter, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives."
As for justice in the North, you're simply wrong. Stark justice could be quite severe. It was trusted, however, because it was never arbitrary nor motivated by an attempt to deceive. Summary justice (and even summary execution) was, however, a real thing in the North.
I most certainly stand by my earlier analysis. For as much as people point out that Ned died because he failed to adapt to the reality of Southern ways, Baelish died because he failed to adapt to Northern ones. Just like Ned did in Kings Landing, Baelish continued to operate in the same manner that he did in the South. For both men, the ultimate result was quite final and unpleasant.
Well said.
Well-said. That kind of poetic juxtaposition is right at home in GoT.
@@stanklepoot I like this theory and it's in the vein what Martin writes. Not only that but it means we are done with Baelish which I am glad for. He's done too much damage and to have him around even longer just seems pointless. Lastly, if he was a faceless man, it would seem redundant since A) Arya is one and B) Bran would know.
It was the fact that he had nothing to say when he was put on trial. He immediately fell to the floor and begged, which was totally out of character.
He always anticipate "every eventuality" and so nothing come as a surprise, this was a surprise...
He had absolutely no clue what to say the moment he panicked, one of the reasons Sansa tricked him.
It is part of his character. its just that he was never put in a situation where he didn't have the upperhand. His priority has always been to survive and rise no matter the means.
Unless that's his true nature, no more schemes or safety nets to protect him.
No, because all of his secrets were spilled out by Bran, which is something that any intellectual would be totally unprepared for.. Since Baelish is a master at keeping secrets, but against Bran he had none
We will all act differently when put on the spot and on the verge of death. Fight or flight. Survival of the fittest. Until the very end he still tried to manipulate her.
Aiden Gillen what a legend. What a beast of an actor.
hear, hear!
The Wire and this show, great actor!
Oh wow I forgot about him in the wire!
You should see him in this Irish show called Love/Hate as a Drug King Pin
Just as good a performance If not better
we should also never forget that he played Stuart in Queer as folk. This actor is a legend, being able to play all these different roles!
I feel like after Bran saying the, "Chaos is a ladder" line that Petyr would have left town. He's too smart to stay IMO. Hopefully the books make his eventual demise a lot more believable.
You are going down the tranlation
You completely forgot that he threw it up in Cersei's face about her and Jaime in the courtyard: "Sometimes, even siblings are known to.... in the same household." "Knowledge is power."
She countered him by telling the guards to "seize him and cut his throat." Then she stopped them and said, "I changed my mind." She then retorts his, "knowledge is power" with her own..."POWER is power." Then she walks away having proven her point.
LF was very shrewd, but he was also far from perfect. That wasn't wise throwing that up in her face in front of her guards. Even though he was subliminal in his wording, SHE knew and HE knew he was talking about her and Jaime.
So it's really not that unbelievable if you remember little details like that.
Why though? No way he believes that Bran’s magical, I can’t see him giving up Sansa and the north because of a cripple who said something he said years ago.
Obviously there’s other issues, but assuming he’d just leave the north which was still feasibly in his grasp because of something Bran said? I doubt it
The disgust on Jon's face as Littlefinger regales his love for Sansa and Catelyn is pure art. You can practically see him thinking "EW EW EW STAY AWAY FROM HER"
I with ya! He was sooooo pissed. Death stare 10,000
It's also a great hint that Littlefinger's "poker face" isn't as good as he thought it was, and that there are characters - specifically, the Starks - who could see right through his bluffs and lies and deceptions and see who he really is and what he was really after.
Littlefinger was great at using Ned's sense of loyalty and honour against him, and great at playing games with the selfish, greedy, shallow, vain, and corrupt people in King's Landing, but the only person in-universe we have telling us what a genius and brilliant player of the Game of Thrones Littlefinger is, is just Littlefinger himself patting himself on the back every time he gets a chance to tell his captive audience how good he is at what he's doing. Certainly, Catelyn saw through him, Catelyn's father seems to have saw through him, and all the Stark children are seeing through him.
I am disappointed Jon didn't knock him unconscious and make him bleed.
@@zoefang4563 lol
Brotherly protection/cockblocking
" if you believe otherwise then it's a disservice to the actors" lol ok bud, you can like the actors and dislike the writing. They are two totally different things.
Yeah, but you can't blame bad writing when it's a fan theory...
That’s what I try and tell you clowns about the books and the show 💁🏾♀️
"Can't trust a Targaryen". little did they know....
Big wow
Good catch.
Hehe... nice one.
I bet you're thinking now aye?
Bet you feel bad now
The shortened season made this plotline difficult to fully develop, but this video did the trick.
I could've done better. I was still gathering my thought's as I finish writing notes and script
I should have spent more time on it, but it's decent
Thank you!
eoe123321 prob as a scheme to make Littlefinger’s execution more unexpected and exciting.
I've been restreaming it. It works better if you watch it like a Netflix show all at once. Which is weird, but it's still good writing. But, TV is shifting how it tells stories. What I'm saying is we should all have Season 8 right now....
I feel this is a plotline from Winds of Winter that Martin told the showrunners about to include, and I can only imagine it would be handled much better in the books with the addition of more detail and POV charchters, but the show just struggled to convey. When the source writing often shows a characters thoughts and feelings, and many characters lie all the time. (especially littlefinger) its very hard to put that on screen, at least now. Seasons 1-4 did it pretty well, but it got out of hand.
@@bridge4 I don't necessarily think he wanted to trick her. I honestly believe what he was planning was, in fact, sitting on the throne with Sansa on his side. probably Catelyn originally, but as she died he's gone for the closest person to her. Her daughter. I really think he had a, from an outer perspective weird, love for that picture.
Your version also makes sense, but I think he just started playing a difficult and dangerous game for the sake of realizing his dream and therefore Sansa was indispensable. He had to go for it.
My only problem with this explanation is that I figured that Sansa knew Littlefinger was not to be trusted the moment he sold her out to Ramsay Bolton. When you look at their relationship, it's abundantly clear that Littlefinger was trying to make himself Sansa's only source of support, and the moment that wasn't the case (thanks to Jon, Bran, and Arya coming back into the pack) he would be an idiot for thinking Sansa actually liked him.
But Littlefinger's ongoing flaw was that he never fell out of love with Catelyn Tully, and Sansa was always in his eyes Catelyn, his queen.
Exactly, book Baelish would have been smarter and left before things got to that point.
Nah, the two sisters arguing in a quest for power and a boy bound to a chair baited him out carefully
Well she might have known he couldn't be trusted from the start, but remember she hasn't seen her siblings for a long time. We want her to trust them more than Littlefinger from the moment they reunite, because we have been following their struggles along with Sansa's. We know they are still good people and wouldn't try to harm her. But the thing is she doesn't have this knowledge. She had no way of knowing if Arya had actual intentions of harming her, she didn't know about the faceless men, Gendry or any of her experiences. She didn't know who she was. This was a strange person to her, wearing her sister's face. Of course it took a while before they started working together, for both of them to reconcile who they were with who they are now. She "trusted" Littlefinger for the same reason she lied to protect him back in the Vale. Better the devil you know that the one you don't.
ramsay being who he was was the wrench that ruined what petyr was doing. he had her exactly where he needed her to be until ramsay was ramsay and that specifically ruined any trust that could have ever been there for sansa. the scenes between the death of of lysa and her going off to bolton showed her adapting to him even down to the way she dressed. she *did* like him during that period of time and i'd be hard pressed to believe otherwise. the leaving her with the bolton's is not what threw the trust away. it was him failing to have seen ramsay for what he was hardening sansa's heart toward him, in my opinion at least. i'm still rewatching again in preparation but i don't think petyr truly knew the extent of the damage done from what happened with ramsay, which if it did not happen along with the annoying omnipotent character whose existence i despise in any story as all interesting plot disintegrates in the face of "i just know everything that could possibly have happened so deceit is impossible", would have made petyr's plan much more likely to succeed despite it's apparent unlikelihood in the eyes of most people. arya's bond with jon is far stronger than the bond between sansa and arya, it just comes off that their bond is so strong because the actresses themselves are so close and they wanted to play that up for the fans that love them, in my opinion again. make sansa appear a threat to jon to arya through her own apparent lust for power, feasible wedge to drive through them. i feel it would have been a more satisfying conclusion where brienne's bond to the starks through catelyn convincing arya through combat defending sansa from her brought her to her senses as opposed to bran's omnipotent magic, but oh well.
@@cassidycross3406 yes and no. it's the end game of what petyr started, his goal isn't power for power's sake, it was power to obtain the only person he loved. she died due to his machinations going sideways from unpredictable people (joffrey) ruining the flow of his plan, so instead of abandoning his plan with no real time left he stuck it out and tried to outplay. it had a much better chance of succeeding if absurd omnipotent characters didn't exist, and if an unpredictable person (ramsay) once again didn't ruin his plan by spoiling the trust he had developed in sansa. petyr is remorseless and controlling with a better sense than most characters for the sick levels of depravity people fall to, but still failed to predict those characters when it mattered most as he himself was not like them. my opinion at least. he's not *as* evil as people seem to think he is, he simply lives in a cruel world where power is necessary and adapted to the best of his abilities to pursue love. for how integral his plot was to the story developing i feel the show does a disservice by not making it more clear to the audience. he's cruel and remorseless with *reason*, not for it's own sake.
there are blatant hints but they are quick and easily missed. i got sidetracked a bit, the point of this was i can't see him abandoning his quest to obtain both sansa and the power necessary to be with her without clearer indications of his plan being unwinnable. i can't imagine he knew how badly ramsay damaged sansa's trust for him, sansa was more guarded after that and while she made it obvious it had changed, i don't think it was apparent how irreparably it was. and while bran was being his cocky little shit self and hinting at his omnipotence to petyr, that alone couldn't have been enough to convince petyr to abandon his only goal when it's culmination was at it's end as from that interaction alone to realize he's mostly omnipotent would be insane. if you can't tell i despise bran's character both from the way it's done and the existence of such a character to begin with. so yes, if he left then there was no time left to recover, the war was going to end soon, and without a proper idea of how badly his plan was already destroyed i can't see him leaving. this is also speaking from the perspective of show baelish being as smart as book baelish which i felt in previous seasons was true and am trying to give the show the benefit of the doubt with the integrity of his character and fault the addition of omnipotent characters instead making his character seem less intelligent than he was.
I felt like Littlefinger's biggest mistake was that he didn't correctly guess Arya's motives. He just assumed that she, like most people in Westeros, just wanted power. Wanted to be Lady of Winterfell. However, Sansa knew her sister better, and that was the switch moment when she realized Littlefinger was stringing her along.
Good point
I saw that as well. The moment when Sansa realized Littlefinger was plotting to turn them against each other was when she said, "Lady of Winterfell," about Arya, at his prompting.
His biggest mistake was that he lost any purpose and like in the matrix without purpose he would not exist. (Still believe hes alive though and hes fooled even this author :) )
Takes you back to Season 1. Last thing Arya ever wanted was to be a Queen of anything and she despised Sansa for wanting those things. Littlefinger miscalculated big time.
I think it's inconsistent writing on LF's part. If he is this sort of visionary in the political theatre whose parents were from Braavos, how could he not realize Arya was very different than your typical northern girl. Her carriage is at the very least unusual. Her fighting style on display during her practice duel with Brienne screams Braavos. Her utter lack of traceability from Ned's head being removed to showing up in Winterfell should generate a great deal of concern in LF's mind. The only thing he would likely learn about Arya is that she spent time in Braavos. I think it unlikely the House of Black and White would ever give up one of their apprentices for any amount of money. Jaqen was clearly taken with Arya's personality believing she would make a marvelous Faceless man...and he was right.
Little finger walked into a wolfs Den
Wolf's or wolves
Centurions Fist Both are grammatically correct
I feel like if the season had a few more episodes this plot line would have had a much better flow to it.
This was masterclass compaired the the final season LOL.
I think Sansa knew right from the beginning she needed to get rid of Littlefinger without losing the Knights of the Vale, but she just didn't have all the pieces yet. So she played Littlefinger's game. She let him *think* she was paranoid and needed his advice, but she was in control the entire time. The only wildcard is Arya. I do think the Arya and Sansa conflict was legit at first, but I don't think either of them wanted to take down the other. I think they were just very carefully re-learning each other in their own ways until they knew they could trust one another. Then with Bran, Sansa finally had all the proof she needed to take down Littlefinger.
TLDR: I don't think Sansa was paranoid or not in control at any point this entire season. I think she was finally playing the game better than anyone expected her to be able to.
I dig it
yes
I didn’t find the “rift” between Sansa and Arya in S7 to be that convincing. I think most people never really believed that Arya would actually kill Sansa when push came to shove. The final LF scene was quite awesome, though. I loved Bronze Yohn’s, “I think not.” The Royce’s don’t get enough play in the show.
It's hard to know how I would've felt since, excuse my French but as***les spoiled it for me :(
To me, it had felt like there was some initial conflict there - a resettling as Sansa, Arya, (and to a lesser point, Bran) had to feel each other out after a long time apart undergoing growth in their own crucibles. A little time to get used to what they were now. To establish that they hadn't become part of the horrors that tried them. And then Sansa and Arya put on a little show of going at each other - becoming off balance. Inviting Little Finger to step in to push them... at which point the Stark children simply stepped aside and delivered the cut as would a Water Dancer... never actually off-balance.
Ill keep an ooen mind on a rewatch, but thats how it feels to me too for now :)
Same. You got me wanting to run home and queue up the episode on the DVR and give it another consideration. Damn you and such and so forth.
Lol
One "sows" discord--as in planting the seeds of it--not "sews" discord.
pronounced as sews...discord...however a sow is a female hog/swine....
The Lady Olenna Tyrell maybe pronounced but not spelt, another American grammar mistake.
Sewing is with thread and materials, sowing is crops and ideas.
@@pacco9532 I completely agree, I was just mentioning the pronunciation, well done.
Yes. *Sows -> reaps. The counterpart fits the old adage when Littlefinger gets that unexpected crop report.
"You have to imagine everything that could go wrong" his own words, you guys actually believe that hes dead?
thx i was about to say the same thing. why would he say something like that and the next thing he does is not doing it himself? lol
it makes no sense to me
Yep, he's dead. You have to understand that Bran has basically been third-eyeing the hell out of him for ages, which is why he knows all these semi-obscure snippets of convo from his past. And even if that weren't so, he absolutely would have, from the dagger scene onwards. So basically, at this point, all of Littlefinger's secret movements in Winterfell and/or beyond are directly exposed to Bran's perception. Any Faceless Man plot would be completely transparent to him. The only real way out of that would be to claim that Bran is withholding some secret, deep knowledge that LF is really a paradoxical savior of the land. But then Bran's taunting with those snippets of conversation would make no sense, and the reactions by LF require it to be him. Even an FM wouldn't have access to every conversation from someone's past. Only Bran can do that.
With 2 episodes remaining? yeah
Yea also it couldn’t have been a faceless man plot anyways because you have to be dead already for someone to use your face
@@siennamarieee1714 We don't truly know that because Arya also saw her own face..
But it was no way in hell we could get any advanced plots this late into the game, they even made Arya forget about her faceswap ability which could have prevented the last war.
CHAOS IS A LADDAH SHANSHA
Lol
Aiden Gillen....great actor. Favorite scene, "All my life I've loved only one woman. ....your sister! great video! love QOT.🌹
Lol. Vicious!
The Lady Olenna Tyrell right??? my people around here know that when I'm binge watchin AGAIN, if you yammer during that scene, or the Hound's chicken speech, you will be bitch-slapped with a runnin start.
Scottish Girl LOL! Great comment. I actually utilize Asoiaf books and GOT as a method of pain control called diversional therapy. If the patient can find a subject that requires intense concentration, it helps block pain stimuli. I have CRPS in my alphabet of illness.
The Lady Olenna Tyrell playing an instrument, especially difficult one does same. All your energy both mental and physical must be focused on the task of mastering the music, and it leaves little room for pain. 😉.
Scottish Girl Great suggestion, I've had to give up my instruments due to right arm involvement. "The trick william potter, is not minding that it hurts ". Name that classic film, or who said this......
Close. I think Sansa knew from the beginning of her time at Winerfell. She knew Littlefinger would betray her and when Bran arrived she got all the confirmation she needed of the past. She set Littlefinger up from the beginning giving him the rope to hang himself with with the help of her siblings. He never had a chance. He may be a master of playing the game of thrones but the Starks are better by far now. In the end John is the General, Arya the Spy, Bran the Seer, and Sansa the Politician. Together they play the game better than pretty much any one.
She knew he would betray her when he married her to Ramsay.
@@Craig_Narramoore that's why i don't like the conflict between aria and sansa in season 7. it just doesn't make sense for sansa to be falling for littlefinger's bullshit when she knows exactly what sort of treacherous, devious scum he really is
when she and aria were fighting, i kept expecting to see littlefinger spying on them. i was assuming it was all a ruse to make him think he was winning. but the show runners say the fighting was real... and this weakens the plot for me. that sort of animosity between the sisters just didn't feel earned
@@derekscanlan4641 I see your point but you have to remember that Sansa & Arya we're already at odds before they left home. They were always at opposite ends & there had to be a lil conflict to help them see each others sides. Sansa was scared of Arya's list of names & who was on it. Arya felt that Sansa had betrayed the family & was finding out if she had really done so. I believe that Littlefinger was also watching the girls through his informants. Give both the girls credit because they were both very brilliant in leading Littlefinger exactly where they want him. I believe Sansa confided in him to keep him close & believing she still trusted him. Where Arya lead him to believe that he was more devious than her. Then all 3 Starks sentence him to death. No it wasn't a Faceless Man because a Faceless wouldn't have known what Littlefinger said to Ned Stark. Ding Dong Littlefinger is dead. ❤❤❤
agreed
That so does not sound like GRRM writing. Everyone levels up until they're better than the master at the beginning? He hates that kind of thing as we've seen many times. Littlefinger SHOULD be alive in my opinion, as a viewer watching it seems way too obvious that there is a chance that they will kill him for him not to see it himself.
For me the moment Littlefinger lost Sansa was when ha made her say that Arya wants to become Lady of Winterfell. The two sisters perhaps have never been best friends, but Arya was never the type to become a "Lady" and after seeing her fight Brienne I think Sansa had also accepted that. When Littlefinger accused Arya, wanting to kill Sansa for becoming the Lady of Winterfell, Sansa got suspicious. At least that was always how I thought.
The only bad side of Littlefingers death is, that I am missing the "official death sentence" - the proper way it is done: "In the name of King John, King of the noth *title title title*I, Sansa Stark, Lady of Winterfell, sentence you to death for your crimes" .. (or similar). The way it happened, you could call Arya a murder, as there were only accusations, but no official command to kill. But that is really just a small teardrop.
as far as that last part, there was no trial needed. because he was proven guilty by a greenseer
arya was only a murderer in the eyes of someone who doesnt believe bran's powers are real
I told my wife the exact same thing when it happened. Sansa knows Arya doesn't care about ladyship
@@bridge4 Greenseer could be a faceless man. We need due process!
I agree that he is dead, but one must play devil's advocate.
And, now that you mention it, that scene of Arya dancing circles around the bigger and more powerful Brienne was, in itself, foreshadowing of what was coming: that Sansa was about to dance circles around the bigger, more powerful manipulator, Littlefinger. That wasn't the only hint we had that Littlefinger was overplaying his hand: Bran's remark echoing Littlefinger's "chaos is a ladder" is likewise a hint that Bran knew more about the situation than master-spy Littlefinger, Jon's reaction to Littlefinger's attempt at manipulation in the crypts and his threat to kill Littlefinger if he touched his sister revealed that Jon saw right through Littlefinger's motivations and knew Littlefinger much better than Littlefinger knew Jon, etc. And those are just the bits I'm remembering from one viewing of the season, and this video; I have no doubt that a careful rewatching of this episode will reveal many, many other instances of seemingly outmatched characters overcoming bigger, stronger, more powerful, and more experienced opponents.
10:04 how is it a disservice to Aidan Gillen's performance ??? it's definitely not, the actor did the scene well and nothing can change that and if he is alive its more of a service cause he fooled us all
true
lol yeah that caught me. how does me thinking this was poorly written or not canon mean i hate aidan?? the hell lol
How could he be alive?? That doesn't make any sense.
Got to say one thing for Baelish, he made the Wolf Pack stronger and more lethal.
Well said
Love how you pointed out Sansa's character development. Great video my friend! Really nice work.
Hey what's up, harlan!
I'd be lying if I said I was aware if her development until I made this lol
Until now, I only gave her props for doing a good job on ep 2 or 3,where she was walking around taking about supplies
And also for her loyalty to Jon even with the lords all condemning his ride south
Now I realize she outplayed the grand master!! What a girl! :))
I like to believe his name is Littlefinger because he’s got all of Westeros wrapped around his little finger, they’re all playing his game whether they like it or not. And not because he was little and from the Fingers
He was given the nickname in his youth tho
@@bridge4 well yeah ik that but i just liked to think that was some cover up that he pinned on Edumure
The thing that bothered me most about this storyline is that Sansa needed Bran to figure it out. Sansa heard her Aunt Lysa spill most of the details about how littlefinger had plotted all of this... so she already knew
A faceless man wouldn't have been so convincing in claiming they loved Sansa and her mother, and knowing all the details. And would their ruse remain undiscovered after death? No, I don't think so. Baelish's shock and reaction seemed genuine to me. It was him. Bran's arrival took away his control.
For sure
To play devils advocate,you adopt memories and emotions, similar to other types of skin-changing, like warging
But even so, like you said, his acting conveyed what seems to go far beyond a partial adoption of the person's soul.
But did Bran do? we will never know
That gives a bit of credence to the idea that it IS possible :)...................but I think based on what we are shown and how long is left that LF's fate is as it appears. Bran's CCTV destroyed his edge and he'd been scrambling a bit for a couple of seasons before that anyway. From the time he left King's Landing maybe.
What do you think the mechanics are when a faceless man dies wearing a face? I'm not sure whether the face (and deception) remains in place after death because they just seem to slide on and off on the show. If it's magic then does the death of the faceless man break the spell? I never read the books that far.
I don't know if I am the only one who realises it but in both the books and the show, it is quite obvious that the Faceless men are ONLY able to wear the faces of people who ARE already dead. They 'harvest' the face of dead people ONLY after they are dead. Nowhere in the books or show did a Faceless person ever appear with the face of someone who was still alive. Typical example is how in both the books and show, Arya wore the face of a total stranger in order to kill Frey. Just before she killed him, while pouring wine for him, the old man said he'd never seen her before and asked whom she belonged to. One would've thought she'd have worn the face of someone he knew as that would have made her chances easier because she'd have had him trusting her the more but she did not and it was because she could not. Fast forward to how she then used his face after she killed him and then executed her plan to poison the rest.
I feel she could have done it all at once by using a face like the Kingslayer's with the idea of a visit on his way somewhere and still gotten them to drink poisoned wine or something. In summary, she had to use a random face to get to Frey. Kill him first and then obtain his face and that is why Little Finger could NOT have paid a Faceless man to wear his face for him. It is just not possible. Also, in the books where they give more detail about the Faceless men, they had one job; to kill and that's that.
Anyone can be a great actor.
Do people not realize that Arya is also a faceless man? If the person she killed was just a faceless man disguised as Baelish, she would know. Certainly she'd be like, "This isn't right" when she cuts off his face.
You don't cut off their face to become a faceless...
How would she know before she killed him that he would or wouldn’t be a Faceless Man? It’s not the same as when she was confronted by Nymeria who would know whether she was a Faceless Man or not.
@@michaelsuder3217 It's after she killed him that she'd know.
I Just Triggered You. Lel. Oh. I didn’t really see what you meant. I thought you meant that she would know before she killed him.
Derek Maldonado no not to be a Faceless Man because it was proven in Season 6 when we saw Arya’s face on that body previous to her losing her vision.
Awesome vid. I look forward to seeing the aquamarine thumbnail on my notifications almost as much as waiting for a new GoT trailer. You're an amazing storyteller and legit cool dude.
Haha. Thanks as always, brotha!!
What do you think now about the maid slaying a SAVAGE GIANT in a castle made of snow? couln't it be what we just saw in 8x3 too?
good point
Love your vids from this week. It's so nice to play catchup on the weekends
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Man, your videos are awesome good work.
Well Done! You saw what I saw (What many of us saw) when I/we watched the season. Bravo. Great breakdown vid too. :)
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You sir, make fantastic videos. Subbed.
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What a great review. Thanks for putting so much into each video.
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This video is so on point! Well done
The most impressive thing here is that all this, all these plots, characters and their relations with each other as well as their development over time, comes from the mind of one single person
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist
thats a different story from another book
I love this video it clears up the whole situation for me. keep up the great work on these videos!!
Thanks, Ryan!
I said Ry as I typed that. (I always say one syllable fr some reason)
Do people ever call you that? That's a cool nickname
Digging the work you put in and analysis
Liked and subbed
MMMMM.. You may be right.....But, this makes Littlefinger an idiot! When before he seemed like a genius. After 7 seasons of playing the game so well, it seemed odd that Littlefinger would make such a stupid mistake by not knowing Bran could see his betrayal of Ed Stark. How could he not know that? So, I believe the Faceless Man theory is still possible. And... for those that say Faceless Men can only take the form of the dead, remember when Arya saw her own face on the dead body? Arya wasn't dead. He may truely be dead, but it seems a little too easy.
Of course he didn't know Bran could see his betrayal. Bran didn't come in announcing that he's the 3 eyed raven. Only Sam, Sansa and Arya knew a bit of his powers because he was very specific in how he shoed them. When asked directly why he is the way he is he gives answers that while clear to the audience only confuse everyone around him. Little finger probably assumed that he was being spied on when Bran quoted his words. as a rational man how could he imagine the very supernatural being part of his downfall. He doesn't look like an idiot, his mistake was thinking that his actions were completely secret. Remember what he said to Cersi? Knowledge is power. He had no knowledge of the 3 eyed raven. Bran made the unknown, known. Hence Little Finger lost his power.
eoe123321 In earlier seasons it was mentioned that faith in the old gods was all but dead. The only stuff we here about them in detail is from an old lady in season 1. This heavily implies that this information is little known. The Starks have little idea too and only maintain some old practices for the sake of tradition. Even as signs of the old world keep increasing, people ignore them . Little Finger was 1. Not from the North 2. Not fully welcomed by the Starks 3. He had his spies in Winterfell for sure but unlike the people in the South, Northerners hardly participated in the intrigues of the court and therefore were not ranked high in his priorities until they were sucked into the political games by force. 4. The three eyed raven is never mentioned until Bran's storyline, not even as whispers, not even when the white walkers appear and other old "myths" like giants etc unlike the lord of light that comes up several times before its highlighted. Literally no one but four people know of the 3 eyed raven until Bran becomes one and tells Sansa, Sam & indirectly Arya who has no reason to doubt his sudden nearly all knowing power due to her own experience with the faceless men.
I think his death falls in line with a common thread throughput GoT, of "A man's greatest strength is also his greatest weakness" e.g The Stark''s honor is used against them hence deaths, rape, betrayal etc.The Lannister's Pride has made them the most hated family in the Seven kingdoms. Jon Snow's big heart gets him a blade through the heart. Joffery's cruelty earns him a cruel death. Cersei's maliciousness and condescension results in the death of all her children. Tywin's pride = death at Tyrion's hand as a direct result of treating his son not as family but as a disposable tool. Petre dies because his rationality, his game mindset tells him that Bran must know the details of what he says because of a spy, or simply takes it as a coincidence. Bran didn't paint a picture for him like he did for his sisters, Bran planted doubt but not enough to appear as a real threat. He saw Arya as his foremost enemy which is why he tried so hard to pit the sisters against each other. Here were Sansa's siblings coming back one after the other, he already made Jon his enemy, he needed to act quickly before all his work on Sansa went down the drain. That's when he fucks up. Because he's been teaching Sansa how to play his game she's starting to see him for his true colors, he knows nothing about Arya or her goals, immediately assuming like in the South, Arya and Bran will want her position and can be used to sow paranoia in Sansa and make her trust him more. He treats her like a Southerner, forgetting that she's a northerner, that in the north she has an upperhand because she knows the people and her family better than he does. He became a game player on the wrong chessboard, his tactics would have ultimately failed anyway without the supernatural interference. Its war time, the moment the North smells a traitor they get rid of them as soon as possible and when you prove your honor (something Little Finger never did) they stand with you to the death.They don't dally with mind games. Because the northerners are mostly straightforward people. Arya wants to fight, Sansa wants to be a lady, Ned to do right by his friend, Jon to do right by the living, Bran to fulfill his new identity. Little Finger has been playing in a world where people change their goals and loyalty so quickly that he underestimated the firm core of the North as nothing more than naivety, like a pro baller among amateurs. That's what really got him in the end and I mean, it was only a matter of time, Bran only pushed up D Day by providing immediate proof.
There is a bit of poetic justice in Littlefinger's lack of conception... Littlefinger suffered nothing until his own death as far as I can tell (not counting the loss of his brothel)... Bran suffered from the moment he got shoved out that window, and went on suffering to gain a power Littlefinger was utterly unworthy of... And for all of Littlefinger's talk of "conceiving all possible scenarios" he never conceived someone could actually do that and more... which undid him.
Pride, overconfidence, arrogance, and greed can make idiots of us all, and Littlefinger had all of the above in excess. He'd gambled and won over and over again throughout the series, but his winning streak wouldn't last forever. This is the episode where, at long last, he thought he had a winning hand, overplayed it, and realized all too late that he was up against better players who, against all odds, had a much stronger hand than his.
It didn't make him an idiot, the game was not fair to begin with, how are you supposed to out-smart an omniscient being? Besides that, how could he "knows" or even imagine someone can see everything? You just wouldn't believe it that easily. Remember we the audience knows things the characters don't.
At 1:07 , when you said Jon chose to go south, did you mean on Dany?
Jon. From wint3fell to dragonstone
Ok, tht literally made me laugh out loud.👋👋👋 Bravo!
Oh whoops. I missed the word "on"
Joke flew over my dumb head lol
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Just subscribed to your channel. These videos help a lot since I tend to forget details and there are so many characters.
Thanks, ashley :))
As always mate; brilliant work!
Thanks, John :))
Great video! You have a great voice for narration.
Thanks, dean. You have a great name for monster and demon hunting BTW (supernatural fan)
O M G!!! Love the way you this video broken down!! You did an excellent job Kev!! Took out the Little Finger Pom-Poms and shook them all about. Hubby even used the Boltens air horn! We watched it three times and we still had the same reaction as when we watched it an hour ago!! Now time to go shopping! It's throw back Thursday...Its home made pizza and popcorn night to finish up watching the last 3 episodes of Season 7 Episodes 5 Eastwatch, Episode 6 Beyond The Wall, Episode 7 The Dragon and the Wolf of G.O.T., and October 1st we start it all over. Ever since I found your channel (before it was only me being trolling for G.O.T videos) and it was our son and then our neighbor that told me about you and another persons channel...
Thanks muchly for an interesting and a Whoohoooo video can hardly wait for the next one! 👍🏼👍🏼Wooohoo!!
You're neighbor told you!?!? That's so cool!! Will you please thank him or her for me??
Which is 5? Is that the loot train battle?? Total madness!! Amazing choreography. Wizards :)) enjoy!
I forgot to add.
Little Finger was doomed from the beginning I said to Hubs a Stark is going to take him out!! Look when Ned had his big mitts around Little Fingers neck, our neighbors were making just as much noise!! Then when Jon had his fingers around his neck! And It was Arya that took him out for good!! Woohooo slit his throat as good as GreyWorm did? Woohooo
What was he grey worm part at the end? What do you mean?
Ohhh. As good as greworm, to the masters. For sure!! :))
bridge4 I'm sorry I didn't have time to edit, my phone was on 2% and my Grandson Gus had bumped my phone out of my hand, and it posted then died just like Little Finger lol . :( I usually type out my thoughts and then edit... Yes She was so swift just like Greyworm, ( Episode 9 Battle of the Bastards) she so fast, when she cut his throat.. She made it look so easy...that was soooo sweet! My daughter is already rolling her eyes bc I will Logging off for now....company coming over to chat about your video... We will send you some cheers while we hash it out.. ;) have a great one!
Awesome analysis, as always! I enjoyed it. Thank you.
Thanks, J T
Dude I’ve been binge watching your videos since last week, and can I just say the insight that you draw from things is incredible. I like to put on my tin hat and come up with theories, but you’ve connected things I would have never thought to. I need to go read the books again!
Thanks Morgan :))
Take everything I say with a wheelbarrow of salt. But use it as ammo in your own theory crafting.
Like the video I'm sharing today. It's gonna be a reload of a video I had to take down a few months ago
I don't believe everything in it anymore, or even at the time I made it tbh. But it's got a lot of good info to have in one's arsenal. And an alternate view to the words "walls"
Anywya, thank you for the support. It's very much appreciated :))
Great video again!
Thanks :))
keep it up man love these videos and love game of thrones
Hate to point it out - not that I think anyone is right or wrong, I have no idea what's going to happen - but even if Little Finger had sensed what was happening and paid a Faceless Man to die in his stead.... that would still be Sansa killing a Braavosi in Winterfell, which the Titan would still represent. In fact, if we're going with the Titan being the giant referred to, I would probably say a Faceless Man would be described as "savage giant" even more than Baelish would. Both can be, I'm just saying, an assassin is more literally savage than Baelish's figurative savagery. Savagery is blunt and unsophisticated. Dothraki are literal savages. The Hills tribes are literally savages. Baelish is Machievellian. Even though his machinations results in death and destruction, it's indirect and sophisticated. That's not literal savagery. But the Faceless Men are. So I'm not sure the point about Baelish's sigil means what we think it means. Or at the very least, it doesn't, on its own, contradict the Faceless Man idea. And it could be intentional misdirection.
Or it could be correct. We'll all find out soon enough.
Just a counterpoint.
It couldn't be a faceless man anyway without cutting off little finger's face
@@j7a1k1e they can have the masks of the living
i just cant get enough of this series. ive already watched it at least a dozen times and now i want to watch it again x3 there are so many little details that are missed. great vid.
for sure. it's brilliant!
thanks for the
Your videos are awesome man and dont get enough recognition. Thank you
muchas gracias :))
First off - this video was exceedingly awesome. I'm glad I found your series. Secondly, on the heels of this in depth excellence, and given the reveal of Jon Snow's parentage, you should do a video about what an awesome acting job Sean Bean did as Ned Stark in Season 1, knowing what he knew about Jon, and all of the interplay between him and the other characters, etc.
sean bean definitely killed it. tons of great actors in this sow
apologies, but i doubt i'll get to this type of analysis (at least before season 8) because i have over 1300 pages of notes (over 300 videos) in progress, and only enough time to get done maybe 50-60 of them :(
Understood man, if you can get to it in a retrospective, that'd be amazing.
I thought Sansa was already showing her strength against Littlefinger when she cut him off mid-sentence much sooner and said something like it's just assumed it would be something "clever"
The girls had also already pledged that they wouldn't let anyone get between them.
The "theory" that the girl is a faceless man *IS* really stupid.
When I first heard of it I knew it was really idiotic... The faceless men get paid to kill others, not to go on suicide missions.
The most important thing for a faceless man is to serve. It has been established in previous seasons. Arya gave him his own name. ;-) The only stupid thing is how LF got himself killed by a not very smart girl. He knew Sansa learned how to manipulate convicingly and he knew she did not trust him after he sold her to Boltons. Sansa did not even pretend to like him. It would be stupid to tell her what he really wanted. Imo he wanted to destroy all great houses and become an emperor so telling Sansa he wanted the iron throne would be a lie. It makes sense he would plotted like that cause he had no more things to do at Winterfell and needed to move back to south to make another plans. It only makes more sense for him to be considered dead when the game is almost over.
Thank you, I love the way you did the format on this video
Followed it clearly and specifically
Wish we could've seen that conversation between Bran and Sansa.
High five
gotcha on the list now. hope alls been well, ser!
Bravo! Another great one. Good job
thanks =))
Don't forget Sansa knew all along that Arya never wanted to be Lady of Winterfell. She played along with Littlefingers "game" to help lay the trap.
That seemed to be the key moment. Good point
Your editing, your voice, and how you explain things so clearly. You are hands down the best channel for GoT theories.
We are all different. Hopefully there's a style for everyone
I appreciate the kind words tho :))
This is a fabulous explanation and even adding in extra stuff! I've watched the entire series 4 times so far. I know I know. I'm obsessed! Lol.
Thank you for another great video! 👸🏾
thanks =))
After watching a few times, I tend to believe it was a trap for Littlefinger. I think all three Stark children knew what Brandon knew when he knew it. Since Brandon’s visions came in fragments, they needed time to put all the pieces together before passing the sentence. They knew he was dangerous, so they played along knowing his tendencies. Arya’s.training with the faceless would have prepared her to spy on Littlefinger much more subtly, but she wasn’t to sell him on the discord he thinks he’s sewing. Sansa played her role to keep Littlefinger spinning while they built the case against him so they could get rid of him yet keep the nights of the vale in the fold. The way it played out felt way too elegant to be good fortune.
yes, this is what I think as well!
yes it was a trap for Littlefinger. But in no way he would have stayed in Winterfell to play pointless games with Arya and Sansa and loose his head because of that. He's always proven that he's more clever than that. He didn't even argue his case by using his cunning talent turning around the truth the way he needs to.
fucking stupid.
I love this analysis. I came to GOT just last month and watched the entire series in two weeks so I didn't have time to dwell on details and video's like this help me see what I may have missed. Thank you.
Oh! It's 'sowing' (as in you reap what you sow) and not 'sewing' (like with a needle and thread).
hahha yeh i messed up kn that word and everyone calls me out on it lol
how'd you like the show???? :)))
and thank you for the kind words btw
Wow great conclusion...
Great way to bring everything together. 👏👏👏
Great video 🙏
glad you put that theory to rest! Aiden's acting is by far one of the best the show has to offer. the only thing I wish is that varys was somehow involved in his death. since the beginning of the show I always thought their deaths would've been linked. great vid kev!
Yes great point. I was always pulling for varys to take him down. But in hindsight, I can dig sansa doing it :)
where the weirwood grows As far as actual acting, one of, if not the most talented, is the guy who plays Edmure Tully. The scene with him and Jaime in the tent during the Riverrun seige is underrated, and the difference in the two men's acting abilities and methods are obvious here. Edmure comes from the same type of training as David Bradley/Walder.
bridge4 oh forsure bro, it was well done. my only hope now is that varys dies in similar fashion!
Scottish Girl totally agree that scene with Jaime and edmure is one of my absolute favorites
where the weirwood grows hey very cool, I feel like nobody ever GETS that😊
You'll think I'm trying to flatter you. But NO my friend, It's not flattery. You are a genius Bridge4. A harbinger of light, and a compendium of understanding. How the hell do I know this? Usually after your videos are over, I find myself sitting in the quiet staring at the screen, ...wondering why it wasn't so obvious at first, the very thing you've laid out bare with such simplicity to so many complex and moving parts. In the words of Dennis Ritchie, such level of simplicity takes a genius to comprehend it - not to mention, putting it all together!
I think you are confusing me for someone else :-P
LOL, You're just awesome!
Another great video... thanks! 🙌🏽😁
Thanks :)
Awesome Explanation! Watched it, rewatched season 7, watched this again! This video actually made the whole season better for me!
As at least one commenter has remarked, since Arya has been trained as a Faceless Man, there’s a good chance that she could have recognized the presence of the disguise, if the person before her were not actually Baelish, but instead one of her fellow FMs, wearing another’s face. (And, by the way, if Baelish were still •alive•, whose face would a FM wear to impersonate him?)
Another factor that makes the Baelish-is-Alive hypothesis implausible is the close scrutiny Bran/3ER has evidently been subjecting Baelish’s past acts and interactions to. Bran is not omniscient, and he can miss things if he doesn’t know to look for them (e.g., Lyanna Stark’s wedding to Crown Prince Rhaegar Targaryen), but he surely has been paying especially close attention to Baelish’s recent maneuverings at Winterfell, in his retrocognitive trances. It seems unlikely that he would have totally missed a switch whereby someone started impersonating Baelish.
I just assumed when he was playing the game with Sansa and she said that arya wanted to be the lady of winterfell she knew that he was playing games because we know that arya would rather be a soldier than a “lady”
100%. That was one of two big misses in this video. Thanks!
Excellent video with a great analysis 👍
Thanks :))
Really great vid
Thanks :))
Great videos! But just a tip: you sew fabric or a wound. You sow discord. You sow what you reap.
I'm write and speak bad :-P
No you don't! ;P your videos are "purfekt"! Hahaha. It was just that tiny word. Please don't take it wrong, I do love your videos!
"Bad" is an adjective, and I was using it to describe a verb :-P
No problem! Americans do that all the time, like when we say "real good," and not "really good": the adverb modifies adjectives (also verbs, other adverbs and even complete sentences). See, I'm a half American, half Spanish linguist and I teach English as a foreign language here in Spain. So if you ever see anything wrong in my writing, it'll usually be 'cause I'm typing on a Spanish cell, with Spanish spellcheck, I type too fast, and forget to check later. So, again, "noebuddy's purfekt"!!!! Haha!
My mother is an English teacher. So I have no excuse
I like how you dissect this
Thanks :)
Kev, I have to give it to you. I think this is one of your best videos, hands down. I enjoy all your video's and I really do like how you are 100% spoiler free and you focus on theories and break down each one with precision and thought with detailed evidence. While I watched the show I was a little disappointed at how they killed him off so quickly, but after seeing your video and reading other articles; the show did do a decent job at finishing his story. It is sad to see him go because he was such a great character and Aidan Gillen played that part tremendously. Keep up the great work and thank you for taking your time to do these videos.
thanks scott! and for what it's worth, i actually see this sub=plot from a different light after working on this video
the writers did a better than i had initially thought =))
I always look forward to your next video. Theres far too many theories out there, and most of them over analysed. It's good to see someone discrediting theories. I want to see more 😁
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"and Ned UMBA"
:-P
I wish petyr was still alive. I love him sfm but every man has to die
Valar morghullis...
I wish hound lived his character was my dream man..a crazy mf with a true heart..slightly flawed but perfectly strong..i was in love with him😥
Eww loving pervert power hungry guy, ewwwwww
Remarkable work!!!
really good video, like always! just the best GoT Channel I've seen. it's great how you know every detail and carefully piece together all the different clues so it's super easy to follow. I believe this is right, RIP Lord Baelish❤ one of the favourites in my book
Favorites as a character or you like who he is?
@@bridge4 as a character, and as an actor. the character because he's so smart and manipulative. and good at the game. and the actor since he's such a skilled actor, you can really just feel every scene with him. see what he means and how he's thinking clearly
Imagine trying to make people feel guilty if they think otherwise lmao
Dude knew how to play the game of thrones
he sure did
Petyr in the books wouldve left the moment Bran threw that “chaos” quote at him. He wants to play the game obviously, but I think he’d be smarter than to stay after that.
For real. And if he's not, he should at the very least attempt to discredit Bran by painting these accusations as a power play to control the Knights of the Vale (Not to mention every accusation in the trial has a clear defense and if Littlefinger was still Littlefinger, he would've capitalized on Sansa's baseless accusations and 100% evaded justice.)
I mean goddam she starts by saying "You killed Lysa" and Lord Royce is literally in the room (to whom Sansa testified Lysa killed herself), yet he says nothing and they don't even show him. This is such a disgrace to the character of Littlefinger
Very cogent and nicely done!
Thanks :))
In the very beginning of GOT episode 1, Jamie and Cercei are seen looking at John Arryns body and talking about "if he had told anyone what he saw (jamie and cercei sleeping together) then their heads would both be on spikes by now."
So I assumed it was the lannisters who really did kill John arryn? How can little finger have killed john arryn....if Jamie admitted to killing him?
They were referring to their crime of incest
@@bridge4 I understand that, But they we're implying that John Arryn saw something... Leading to them (Lannisters) murdering him before he told someone.
Bang On bridge4. Nailed it.
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Brilliant! I love the insight. I was expecting a little more about little fingers dagger. I think it's worth mentioning a little more about his dagger.
The edit at the end is awesome - got goosebumps! What is the music in the background?
Another mistake that LF made was revealing to Sansa what his true motivations were. That goes along with underestimating Sansa, but also in putting his trust in her. Both left him vulnerable to her figuring him out.
For sure
Exactly! For someone who claims to know everyone and be secretive about his motives, he told Sansa everything time and time again. Not as careful as people seem to think lol
But hasnt he already lied about his motivations several times throughout the show?
Woohoo go Sansa! Baelish was a master at the Game, but Sansa learned the best, from the best. From Cersei, Margaery and Petyr. She learned from the failures of her father. Petyr mastered his style of the Game, but Sansa knew all styles and she recognised his plan. I love it.
Also gotta give credit to Littlefinger's accent: Come Shansha, Chaosh is a laddah. I just love it
Ps I didn't realize that you posted two videos today. I watched the other video on Littlefinger, and later I got a notification for a Littlefinger video, so I thought nothing of it. Turns out there were two. Thanks Auntie Kev
Shansa!!÷ lol. So true
You brought back the auntie haha. That's great
Sansa belongs in KL, not winet fell. That's arya''s house :))
@@bridge4 I'll always bring the Auntie back. And Sansa does belong in Winterfell imo, she knows how to rule the North, she's smart
I still think Sansa is just a annoying person rather than a good player of got
@@vekashs7770 she can be both right? I agree she and Arya were annoying but people tend to hate on her because she used to be an idiot. Sadly last season she was used as an ''antagonist'' to Jon and Arya, not really antagonist but with opposing opinions to them at least.
Now Jon and Arya are fan favorites, so fans will agree with them and thus they'll find Sansa stupid. She was right though.
I can't imagine what it must be like to have your little sister return, but she is a murder spy assassin who is also being played by LF.
And with Jon and going South they were both right: Jon needed Dany and Dragonglass but he also needed to stay in the North for his people, he's the only one who fought the White Walkers at that point.
Great video!
Thanks :))
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Bravo! Great breakdown of the scenes!
Thanks maria
Braavos ;)
Haha well played
Let’s not forget that the last season will be all about war.
No time for conspiracies and scheming. So, the very character of Baelish doesn’t even belong in that mix. In a sick and twisted way the character of Baelish may have served to make Sansa the strong queen, or queen of a house whatever, she is destined to be! Since the Starks only have one lady now. He helped her become a fierce wolf. This is kinda reinforced in the seasons finale when she tells Arya ‘ I guess he really did love me in his sick twisted way ‘ ( inaccurate quote I know ). But yeah it’s very common to see characters in books live and die and all they achieve is effectively making another character stronger, regardless of the means it was done. Whether intentional or not. Depends on the grand scheme of the story it’s vision and the writer himself.
And seeing how the show is clearly influenced by a lot of different real life figures/ events, as well as other books and movies .. not very crazy to think the ONE character ALL viewers wanted Away from Sansa from season1 till now is the same character that essentially made her this complete strong lady in an oddly satisfying way.
We dont know that though. For all we know the major twist is littlefinger coming in with 20 000 sellswords and taking the crown at the end..
I liked your commentary of the events, however I think you are making it way more complicated then it has to be.
I think if you watch Ep 7 when Sansa and Littlefinger have the conversatikon about playing the game .... that is actually when Sansa realizes what he's doing.
Watch her reaction when he starts presenting senarios to her about Aria. The conclusion was that Aria would become Lady of Winterfell. That was the give away .... that was when the bells went off for Sansa IMO.
Everyone knows Aria had NO INTEREST in becoming a lady or anything like that. She had NEVER wanted it .. or as Aria would say a few times in the show ... "That's not me". She has made comments like this throughout the show. She said this to her dire wolf when she asked the wolf to come with her ... and then she said, "But that's not you" or "That's not who you are" .. but the point is the same.
I believe during this game Finger played with Sansa, the ultimate conclusion simply didn't work. She knew Aria wasn't interested in what seemed to lead to ultimately becoming the Lady ...
I think it was at this point, Sansa started to play the game with respect to LittleFinger .. it was at this point she saw his plan ..for sowing distrust between her and her sister, but it was also what opened her eyes to how he had been manipulating everyone in the same way ... pitting people against one another.
yes sansa concluding arya wanting being the lady of winterfell sounded wrong.
This breakdown was on point!!
How would you explain that after bran tells him 'chaos is a ladder' littlefinger does nothing or at least suspect that his some of his actions were seen by bran and therefore known by sansa ...
It's crazy to think that Little Finger is still alive. It's as crazy as thinking Jon Arryn was a faceless man, and switched faces with Little Finger's secret twin brother, before he had Lysa poison himself. Then the real Little Finger was killed by Arya, but the fake Little Finger (Jon Arryn) is still alive doing faceless man stuff.
Lol
Keith Allen haha... right out of the Days of Our Lives playbook!
You forgot to mention that it was a fake Arya, because the real Arya was killed by the waif, who then took her face...
and that fake Arya has a fake needle sword, not the real needle sword that fake Aegon Targaryen (The real Jon Snow) gave to the real Arya. The real Aegon Targaryen was killed by the real Mountain.
Of course the fake needle, how could I forget. Because Polliver took the real needle.
I think he is alive. Because G R R Martin believes in serving surprises and would be the most shocking moment of season 8. Moreover I am much satisfied by the theory that he false his death and put another person on his place. A person said in the comments section that a faceless man can only use a face that he had killed or been killed by his servents, but we all know that being faceless is more than putting a skin. It is a black magic or something. We have also saw in the past episodes, during Arya's training, when she continuously pulling faces from a dead body and at last she saw her own face, even when she is alive.
This theory may be wrong but we know that he is such an intelligent character that should have to be careful when he came to know that bran knows the past " chaos is a ladder" incident. Why he remains in winterfell after all this. The show is known for the surprises and will be the biggest surprise when fans came to know that littlefinger is still alive.
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When Arya first got the iron coin from Jaqen, he said to give it to any man from Braavos. Surely this includes Petyr? Maybe he is not completely unknowing of the supernatural.
Slick editing, good vid 👍
Thanks :))
Nice one :)