Who killed Jon Arryn? - the plot explained (spoilers s4)
Вставка
- Опубліковано 23 лют 2015
- The truth about Jon Arryn's death.
WARNING FOR MASSIVE SPOILERS SEASON 4!
This video is mostly for people who have watched season 4 but who have not read the books, and who feel a bit confused about who exactly participated in Jon Arryn's death and how. His murder, and the false leads about it, made quite a complex plot!
I hope this video will help! =)
You can also find my diagram with everything on it here: cerseidm.deviantart.com/art/Wh...
or here: cerseidm.tumblr.com/post/10754...
Credits: All scenes comes from Game of Thrones by HBO. - Розваги
I was so confused at the start of GOT and I didnt know what was going on so the whole Jon Arryn plot went over my head
Right me to game of thrones is definitely a show you need to watch twice
same here
me too, I watched it with my sister and she explained everything to me.
Same couldn't even remember most of their names lol
@@ellgeee7376 names were the most difficult part for me lmao
It's funny to think that when Ned tells Cersei "I know the secret Jon Arryn died for", she truly isn't sure what he means. She knows Jon knew her secret, but she believes he died by a fever. So when she responds "is that why you asked me here, to pose me riddles?" she is genuinly wondering what he is getting at.
Littlefinger is truly a mastermind and the most dangerous man in westeros
"Stinkfinger" (as I like to call him) is the most dangerous scheming c**t in all of Westeros. Now that Walder Frey is toast, Littlefinger might be wiped out or remain an ally of the Starks. We'll have to wait next season, I suspect he's a dead man though, if they ever find out the truth about his scheming against Jon Arryn...
+excalibur2112
And Sansa potentially overheard this truth.
So Sansa knows LF and Lyza's plot. She also witnessed Petyr murder Lyza. She knows that he is involved in Joffrey's murder. Sansa is an asset and a threat to Petyr.
Wendy Snow Well Lyza did try to murder Sansa out of jealousy...
excalibur2112
I'm hoping Arya gets wind of Littlefinger's betrayal to Ned. It would be sweet if she gets the kill
Wendy Snow Definitely.
Back when Game of thrones was good in storytelling
Martin Christian Aguilar exactly D&D are not capable of pulling of anything remotely close to this
@@justinshalu8034 S7 and S8 felt just like a typical american blockbuster production compared to the early ones....
look how they massacred my boi CIA :(
Martin Christian Aguilar I’m still emotionally scarred by s8... watching these old videos to recuperate
Aisha Artz while I go back to watching Breaking Bad.
Cersei is actually innocent in this case. Holy fuck Petyr just became 100 times more dangerous in my eyes. Lol
@defAngel She wasn't innocent. She was the one telling Petyr to get rid of Jon. When Ned confronts her about it, she even admits it in her own words.
@@jollyquinn430 You are wrong on this part. Littlefinger did this on his own to start a war between Stark and Lannisters to get more power.
Petyr and Lisa Arryn, who seemed minor characters at first, started something so big and bloody
If season 1 was like season 8
'Eddard kinda forgot about Jon Arryn'
Eddard in S8: "at least Jon Arryn possessed genitals."
Eddard in season 8 to Cersie:
I don't want it, you are Ma Queen
🙄😑
In S8 Eddard would have teleport powers and would magically appear in Winterfell again.
@@cleonpierre7969 k
@@cleonpierre7969 nooooooooooooooooooooooo
Cersei is innocent? That's a first hahaha.
Go Fish a
Cersei's evil thing was just her having kids with Jaime while passing them off as Robert's children. Joffrey, as a child born from incest, was psychopathically insane and that was how Ned was killed. Even with all the machinations of Littlefinger, if Joffrey had been somewhat sane, he would've kept his promise not to kill Ned Stark when he apologized for his "treason". But Joffrey, insane as he was, chopped off Ned's head on a whim, thereby starting the calamities of GoT.
@@continuousself-improvement1879 I think its hinted he killed Ned because he thought it was a show of strength that Robert would have approved of.
chaos is a ladder... that littlefinger created!
Isn't it discovered that Littlefinger also controls who faces who in the joust? Since the person holding the straws is on his payroll.
And this is why seasons 1-4 remain a masterclass in television series done well. It's so legendary, it took a while for the fanbase to realize the last three seasons are a masterclass in crappy dialogue, bad pacing, and character destruction. Btw, what I find even more fascinating is the fact Pycelle is not the absent-minded incompetent fool he pretends to be, but he's very much aware of everything and the only person to see through that was Tywin.
Don't think it took people that long. People have been whining about the last few seasons since they were released, especially season 8
And now we have everyone kinda forgetting about stuff and themselves.
And it will even get into the books
@@Garother I don't think so, unless Martin gets lobotomized.
@@Garother no it won't
@@stefthorman8548 yes it will. The final seasons weren't just done by random writers, it was still from a grrm outline.
Sure it'll have for detail, but the shows actual plot IS the novel ending
@@themorganrobertsongrrm's writing is far superior to D&D's, I am sure whatever we get in the books, will make sense, also grrm stated that the finale in the book isn't the same as the show's
How does this guy think of all this. When you see it mapped out like this it's mind boggling. I didn't even consider 1/2 the stuff you mapped. Good job!
Honestly as much as I appreciate the plot, I've come to hate how unrealistic it is. The timings and things working out are way too convenient for most of this to even happen. For instance how is Robert so unaware that joffrey tommen and myrcella are not his true children? And surely stannis would have thought of a better way to inform his brother? Why would stannis only tell one person. And even if the information did somehow reach Robert to be true, and cersei and Jaime received justice accordingly, how, in any way, would that help stannis in his claim? Robert could just wed another of a great house and father heirs...
Praelyx stannis only found out after ned told him. So he never had the chance to inform king robert. As littlefinger said in the end of the video, he profits from chaos. He created this chaos in order to climb the "ladder" since all the lords and ladies were too busy mourning or celebrating jon's death.
@@marciomoreira3165 ok another thing if you don't mind, why would stannis have his suspicions in the first place? What were his goals exactly? Let's say stannis (or someone through him) was able to convince Robert about the truth regarding his children. Jaime and cersei get punished, and likely Robert marries a new suitable wife similar to the power cerseis family had. They would make children who would then be heirs to the throne.. in my eyes stannis wanted to uncover the truth about Roberts children so he could have a better claim to the throne.. but that seems kinda illogical given what I just said. So I guess my main question is what were stannis motivations because they seem unclear to me
Well, Stannis was allways a very honorable man so I don't think that he intended to claim the throne in any way before robert's death. He only started caring about his claim after rob died and also because his younger brother renly proclaimed himself king. If robert wouldn't have died I believe he wouldn't even care about rob's bastard heirs.
@@marciomoreira3165 ok, understandable, but what about before Robert died, when he told Jon arryn to investigate the truth about Roberts and cerseis children; what was the motivation? I feel like had he not done so, it would have prevented, or at least make it more difficult for the Lannisters to take control
They say Littlefinger is a genius. I say GRRM is brilliant. Such an amazing mind.
Stanis Baratheon: lack of hair
Robert Baratheon : lack of heir
joffrey "baratheon": lack of air
Ned Stark: lack of head
all Littlefinger wanted was some Catelyn Stark action, nothing more.
and he got None. Hope the cunt (character) dies but...it's GoT. He will probably end up on the iron throne.
Do people STILL not realize after 6 seasons that Littlefinger is the hero of this story? You do understand that monarchy, feudalism, and conservatism towards middle age values is HORRIBLE for society right? LF is actively looking to destroy this world and build one where love, merit, and trade override birth, class-ism, and entitlement.
"In a better world where love could overcome duty..."
"If you want to build a better world, you must first demolish the old one"
The world he lives in isn't worth saving as we know from history. It needs to be destroyed and a better world needs to be created where those of low birth buy high IQ can thrive without needing to murder their way to recognition...like the modern Western World.
Expect LF to die a tragic death in the 2nd to last episode of the series and in the final episode for it to be revealed that he did everything that he did to tear down this terrible world and achieve the iron throne in order to dissolve it and bring democracy to Westeros in Severus Snape esque swerve with Cat playing the role of Lily and Sansa playing the role of Harry.
Well that's an interesting theory lol
yeah but snape didn't want to fuck harry
I'm joking but i mean that's a really weird parallel, you have to admit...
This is excellent! It highlights all the plot points and compares what we know and what really happens. It deserves so much more views!
crystalDM96 I'm happy you like it!! :)
Please feel free to share the link to my video around you if you know people who are curious about this plot ^^
CerseiDM hey
can you go to Season 2, 3 , 4 and 5 and do some more explicit videos of the action that's going on in there ?
i'm sure that i have missed tons of facts , like many others .
it would help us all a lot .
cheers !
sektor2001 I'm glad you enjoyed this video!! However, sorry, I'm not planning to do anymore videos of this type right now :/ I really wanted to make this video about Jon Arryn's death, but I don't know what other plot would need explanation that doesn't already exist on UA-cam...
If you want to know more about what happens in the book, I would suggest the wiki (awoiaf.westeros.org). The show has basically caught up with the books now, so you won't get spoiled about next seasons (except for the Greyjoys and Arya). These info would give you a lot of hindsight about the action in the show (but be warned that many things are very different in the book compared to the show)
If you're looking for sources that explains the action in the show specifically, I don't know where to look for... Watching the whole series again would help I guess XD
O
That's the reason why D&D killed litter finger, cause they can't handle his intelligence. Bravo
Littlefinger has said that he want *EVERYTHING*
Seeing this just makes me hate what D&D did to littlefingers charactee
It was so sad. He was one of the best written characters. He even got a warning from brann, and you're telling me he didn't run?
dungeons and dragons?
WHen LF started kissing Lysa after she mentioned letter to Cat, he knew, he has to kill her now, she got too dangerous! It was his plan all along anyway to kill her AFTER getting married to her to take hold of the Vale as well.
You can spot a very well-concealed hint of panic in his face when Lysa starts talking out loud about what they did. He's like "shit, shut up, people could be listening, is someone listening?, I gotta shut her up somehow, fine I'll kiss her" :P
That likely hastened her demise, yes - although her threat to kill Sansa was the last drop. He couldn't let her live another minute for that. He lost Catelyn and would not want to risk losing Sansa too.
SelvesteSand Well I partially agree with you on Sansa. Yes he didnt want to lose Sansa not because he lost Caitlyn and he had feeling for her but rather because Sansa is the key to the north! Otherwise LF doesnt give 2 cents about her.
+Regina Phalange (OMFG I just noticed your name, I love you) No way. After taking Winterfell, Petyr could've imprisoned Jon and sent Sansa to Cersei, after which he'd be Warden of the North by royal decree. Finally, all the scheming was paying off big time - and he turned the opportunity down and chose Sansa instead. Sure, he still wants power, but he wants Sansa enough to put power-grabbing on hold - and that seems to be the first time he hasn't ruthlessly done anything it took to gain power. Sansa is more important to him.
SelvesteSand Thank you for you love :D LF cant "imprisoned Jon and sent Sansa to Cersei" before marching to Winterfell for their aid, LF opening announce his allegiance to the Stark, he said it himself to Sansa so he cant do that. Also Knights of the Vale follow Robin not LF, and RObin commanded to help Sansa so KotV wont obey LF, if he were to command Jon's or Sansa's arrest. Also, he cant just imprison Jon, he is the King in the North and has many houses backing him up.
There's something wrong with the left phalange in your arguments, Ms. Regina. :P First off, Petyr only figuratively announced his allegiance to Stark by helping them retake Winterfell and then not sending Sansa to Cersei as promised. It was exactly in the moment when he chose Sansa over power, as mentioned in my previous comment, that he declared that allegiance. Secondly, I doubt the Knights of the Vale in Petyr's army know of any specific orders from Robin. They probably just know they're being commanded by Petyr (Lord Protecter of the Eyrie and the Vale of Arryn) on decree by Robin and King Tommen, and disobeying his commands would be treason. His army probably made up 95% of the survivors of the battle of Winterfell, so he could've easily taken Winterfell for himself if he wanted to. Thirdly, Jon wasn't King in the North yet - and he only has people backing him up because he won the battle and Sansa and Petyr support him. Manderly, Glover and the rest had refused to help Jon because they thought it was a lost cause, and if Jon had been captured or killed, they'd have been right about it. They probably wouldn't exactly be thrilled about Petyr capturing Jon and Sansa, but they'd be happy to have him instead of the Boltons - not to mention that he would be Warden of the North by decree of King Tommen. Nothing stood between Petyr and being Warden of the North - nothing except the sacrifice of Sansa's life.
But in littlefingers plan the high born lady would have been Cat, he probably already had a plan to kill Lysa. Cat getting killed was not apart of Littlefingers plan. Chaos is uncontrollable so the plan he set into motion probably had to be changed a few times.
I think LF's initial plan was:
He wanted to save Sansa, bring her to the Vale and marry Lysa. Hide out there while the Stark-Lannister wars went on and be a good father to Sansa. Plot the murder of Lysa and blame it on someone else there (like he does in the book) and then take control of the Vale via Robin. Then commit the Vale to ride to the Stark's defense as Lysa refused to do (on orders from Petyr) to make it look like he was faithful to the Starks. Use the Vale forces to defeat the Lannisters, but ensure Robb Stark dies in the conflict.
That leaves the Iron Throne open, himself as the patriarch of the Vale and no male heir for the North. He would use his father-daughter relationship with Sansa and the riding in to "save" the Starks to convince Cat to marry him and then arrange the marriage of Sansa to Robin (his daughter and son by law with the blood lines of Stark, Tully, and Arryn between them) to sit Robin on the Iron Throne, while he serves as Hand and Regant.
Petyr would have Cat, the North, the Vale, and the Riverlands (revenge against the Starks, Arryns, and Tully patriarchs who he feels wronged him). Robin and Sansa as King and Queen would be his faithful surrogate children/puppets, and he would be the power behind the throne like Tywin was.
When Cat died, he had to shift Sansa from his daughter role to his love interest role and himself to be King instead of Robin and just use Robin to help his machinations in consolidating the North, Vale, and Riverlands. I still think Petyr would prefer to be the power behind the throne rather than on the throne, so I think his ultimate plan now is to get Sansa on the throne and he will play that off as him "sacrificing the throne for her" to try to win her over.
+Ay Yo GREAT summary. I almost completely agree with you - except I do believe he always wanted to sit on the throne. He just knows that any obvious contender for the throne is in constant danger, so he wants to stay in the shadows until he has annihilated absolutely anyone who would object to his coronation.
SelvesteSand I'm not entirely sure he wants to sit on the throne because he is smart enough to know he would never be able to completely eliminate all threats (as he himself knows being a threat in the shadows after Robert Baratheon thought he had done the same in eliminating all). As such I think he just wants to control everything from behind the scenes forever.
Also to him the game is actually more interesting than the prize at the end itself. I think he would be bored actually sitting on the throne and ruling. Instead he has been constantly mentoring Sansa and putting pictures in her mind about how she deserves power because he wants to seat her on the throne and rule, while he can be her King consort and hand and run everything in the shadows and have her complete trust and devotion.
It would allow him to keep playing the game even after climbing to the top of the ladder (what he was born to do) and also constantly look out for and neutralize threats to Sansa's claim, and hence fulfill his desire to be her "savior/protector" the way he could never be to her mother.
+ Ay Yo I just realized he can sit on the throne without being king; we've often seen Tywin sit on it as Joffrey's representative. That might be exactly what he wants - the ultimate power but without the title "king".
I'm not sure he'd be bored ruling - that's hard to tell - but if he will, I'm not sure he has realized that yet. :P
+Ay Yo Oh, there's more to your comment than what showed up in my e-mail notification. I think king consort would be perfect for him. That or whatever he is to the Vale as Robin's stepfather. The person in power but not the person you need to kill for a coup. As long as he doesn't have the title "king", he can survive a coup.
terrific video and very well organized. it's a shame we didn't find out that it was littlefinger who orchestrated it until many seasons later... when we had already forgotten about jon arryn and the murder plot. i hope we will see much more from littlefinger in the seasons to come.
This was very well put together. Well done!
Good job mate. Watched the show twice but still getting new info with your breakdown.
Nice work!!
Omg loved your editing in the end! Suddenly changed to House Baelish theme song and then the clip from his ultimate speech! Splendid work!!
aww, thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it! :)
Wow, so many answers there. Thank you for creating and posting!
Little finger littleraly still trying to find his accent in season 1 and 2.
Littlefinger's character shows how much GRRM cares about reality. For him, all the other characters are just like the audience and vice versa. We know something and think that we know it all when its not the case. No one really is in control and sometimes because of small things, huge things commemorates. Maybe even Littlefinger was the most dangerous man in Westeros, maybe he set in motion the whole series in some way or other, maybe he was a really great player in the Game of Thrones, maybe he actually had done more than we know. A character so deep, that he really was untrustable by even his aides (LYSA). But his death in S07 was so real because even he didn't see that coming. Sometimes big things die out small. And even being one of the most dangerous man, he could not know how he will die. Though in a dramatical point of view, Little finger should have died with giving up more crucial information (not right before death tho) but that is the whole point of GOT. Oberyn dies so dreadfully even though he was a good guy, and hence in the opposite side of the coin Littlefinger, who was one of the worst-minded (acted awesome by Gillen) characters of GOT dies a simple consented death though unexpected by him. Anyway beautiful video brother.
thanks! :) I love your thoughts about LF's death and the comparison wth Oberyn's!
oh, i do miss early seasons of game of thrones, especially s1, was such a mystery show!
They massed it up when they brought in lots action and fairy tales like the resurrection of Jon snow.
Please please please make more videos like that. I'm rewatching GOT and am still confused. Your video was so good and explained everything. Thanks!!!!
Perhaps an assumption could also be made that Littlefinger made Ned discover the truth knowing he will/might eventually get killed for it, thus leaving Catelyn available for him (seeing he was more into Catelyn than Lysa). Afterall, Littlefinger does things that overall benefit him.
Your video was so well done, I loved it. Please make more like this!
this deserves way more views, well done good sir! :D
I've read all the books carefully and even I didn't catch half the things you noticed; good job.
i think littlefinger started the war because he was really bored and wanted more excitement as if owning a brothel wasn't enough he just had to do this
First a Lannister Twin, and now a Squire? Tough times for Jason
Absolutely right conclusion.Petyr wanted the war between Lannisters and Strarks,the most powerfull houses in Westeros,he is the mastermind behind all action that makes this story and definetely the smartest man from all of them.
And he died
@@mostofanafis9203 or did he. The directors may have nodded elsewise
@@proivatememeless778 🤷♂️
@@proivatememeless778 The show ended he dead sadly.
Lysa also had denied involvement to the war, and not allowing Robb to get to North through the Vale and then Narrow Sea.
People think it is because of her being too paranoid about her son.
The truth is, Littlefinger doesn't want the Knights of the Vale to enter the battle and give the upper hand in numbers to Robb.
Robb was outnumbered since the get-go. Riverlands aren't that strong, and the North doesn't contain the population of, say Reach.
Actually, THIS is the beginning for most of GoT confrontations, and it was mostly random and confusing motivations what lead to it, instead of profound schemes and intrigues: just like life itself.
God, that writing was good.
Really nice video and welll thought out, not just stating out what Season 4 tells us.
glad you liked it!! :)
why you stopped 2 years ago , your diagramized explanation is great , there are lots of who did why did left in game of thrones, please keep continue
Watch the Take's account on Varys and Littlefinger; it's really a good analysis on their differing strategies and ideologies. Littlefinger causes chaos because it is in his interest to do so, but because he only serves himself, ultimately, when that chaos catches up with him, nobody tries to defend him.
Very well put together. Thank you.
ok but thanks for making this video. you're a genius too. The edits are awesome
thanks!!! That's always nice to hear!
Amazing piece of work. Good explanation.
This all a very interesting theory and it makes so much sense.
So to get things straight here: All that has transpired from season 1 to present is because of Littlefinger and Lysa Arryn? Ned Stark wouldn't go to the capital if Jon Arryn hadn't died and he wouldn't have gotten his head cut off, etc, etc....
Although, I still doubt Lysa's motives because of the book and since this is the TV show, I'm gonna go that Lysa was lied and manipulated to by Littlefinger.
This is what I believe to be Littlefingers motives: He started all of this 'Chaos' because he is in love with Catelyn Stark and is overly jealous that Ned has her as his wife. Which makes kind of sense to put all this into motion because he knew that Jon and Ned was close and he knew that Ned would go to the capital. He also knew that if Jon died, Robert would put Ned as hand of the king. Giving Ned some advice and evidence to go on, would eventually lead him to his death by Cersei and Joffrey, although, Cersei did not anticipate that Joffrey would go nuts and have Ned Stark executed.
I think his motives because of his love for Catelyn makes more sense. Even in his deluded mind in season 2, he travels to Catelyn to give her Ned's remains and he attempts to actually get her there and then.
I wonder what length he will go to to get what he wants.
So here's my final thought why Littlefinger started all of this: He just wanted some ass from Catelyn.
Not sure if this makes any sense or not. :P
Getting dat ass from Catelyn (and after her death Sansa) is LF's #2 goal in life.
His #1 is to climb the ladder all the way to the iron throne through chaos.
My thoughts exactly! He was jealous the whole time and couldn't get what he wanted.
insanely well put together video!!
wow, thanks!!
Good job bro love your Work
+g6pdthai Thanks!! i'm glad you do :)
Great video! My own personal theory about the death of Sir Hugh is actually explained by the scene at the beginning of your video where Cersei wonders if Jon Arryn told someone what he knew. We've seen in this series how often the squire is able to gain all sorts of intimate knowledge of their master's movements: Podrick is often included in Tyrion's confidences, Lancel is a constant presence around King Robert, etc. I think that Cersei had Sir Hugh knighted and arranged his death at the hands of The Mountain because she suspected that he either 1) had been in Jon Arryn's confidence and knew her secret, or 2) he had been present for enough of Jon Arryn's questioning that he would have led Ned Stark in the right direction had Ned begun to ask the same types of questions. I have no doubt of Cersei's guilt in Sir Hugh's death, but I think it had more to do with what he may have known about her than any knowledge he may have had about Jon Arryn's death.
thanks for what you did , I knew that but You explained it very well and your video about winterfell was great
Very nicely-done explanation video.👍
Simply said. Littlefinger knew that Lysa is loving him and that she is weak. He got the Harrenhold and used Lysa. He became her husband this would not be possible if the Jon Arryn would be alive. Now he has the Harrenhold and he is the Lord Protector of the Vale. In some older episodes I think he was saying that he had notihng that he worked his way up by himself.
The first few seasons of the show itself are well written and engaging, but seeing the context of the book mapped out and adding Stannis's portion, and knowing how many more characters are left out, I can't imagine what goes through GRRM's head when he comes up with this stuff. master story teller.
This helped me understand it all much better now, thanks!
There's a scene in the first book where Sandor is taking Sansa back to the Red Keep after Hugh's death, and he tells her that Hugh didn't have his armor on right, and that the Mountain probably noticed that, and decided it was an easy excuse to murder him and make it look like an accident. That's further confirmation that the Mountain could have just killed Hugh because he felt like it.
that's a nice detail!!! i didn't remember that!
Excellent video. Very well explained.
Great video! Very informative
Another unanswered question, and maybe it’s known and I just don’t know, how did Baelish find out that Arryn knew about Joffrey’s bastardy?
Great video. Thank you
we don't know the detail of how and when he found out, but with all his spies he must have learned that Jaime and Cersei were fucking, and he knew about Robert's dark-haired bastards (some of which were in his brothel), and so he drew the conclusion.
He didn't even have to be certain that Jeoffrey really was a bastard, he just needed to sow doubt in Jon Arryn's mind to start chaos.
I swore I read somewhere that Hugh's throat plate was purposely done up badly by the squire so Gregor would go for the kill. So basically I fell for was thrown off with littlefingers false leads in an indirect way
Brandon Stark speaking to Littlefinger,"Chaos is a Ladder."
Game of thrones had literally incredible and deep storytelling. Even though season 8 was very different, the show still goes down as the best ever. At least top 3.
Very bad I believe is the term.
Littlefinger had a network of spies hugh might of been one.
Littlefinger gives hugh armour as a reward but also to create suspiciousion around him and then pays the mountain to kill him
Hope they explain this next season. Little fingers ultimate plan or something. Just hard to tell what he was actually expecting from all this because a lot of things were left to chance.
I'm curious about how the Mannis would have reacted to Robin. Ha! I'm laughing already.
I like the silent plot theories.
Just noticed Ser Hugh of the Vale plays Jason and Tyland Lannister in the House of the Dragon
i was about to google it too :D
Yup
Thank you for clearing this up for me
I remember reading that the lance used in the joust by the Mountain was faulty. Wasn't that the case? That would certainly make Ser Hugh's death even more suspicious.
Yo i know what happened and this video is still dope! Awesome analogy and breakdown. Wow you did your homework for this one grrm would be proud
thank you!
Awesome breakdown.
So (I'm a GoT Book noob, haven't read them yet) Littlefinger is basically the reason the game of thrones started? (The wars/etc)
This will be very interesting to see how this is played out in the books and the final seasons of the show.
Well he's not the sole responsible for the war. He acted like a catalyst, yes, and set the things in motion. But he's not responsible for Cersei having 3 bastard children, nor for the animosity between Stark and Lannister, nor for the Lannisters' attempts at killing Bran (first Jaime then Joffrey tried), nor for everyone's actions that led to the war. But by killing Jon and accusing the Lannisters, he sure sparked what led to the war, yes.
It's very possible it would have happened anyway though. If LF had not killed Jon, the Lannisters would have, or Jon would have told Robert about Joffrey being a bastard, and from there a war was also likely to happen (it was at least a possibility).
This video is really well made
Littlefinger often had the MO of betraying those who he needn't betray, which seems like opposite logic which made it easier for him to be adjourned in court or any other questioning session purely due to his actions being entirely illogical in the long run
I think Littlefinger did what he did because he knew with Jon out of the way he could easily take his place and if in the process he could spark a rivalry and potential war between the other great houses he might eventually have a higher claim to the throne himself.
Gods the writing was great then
Good writing is what this is. It’s complicated, similar to how something like this would turn out in real life. And, it promotes the overall narrative, as it opens up speculation and debate among fans. Speaking of which, it would seem Littlefinger killed Jon Arryn in order to eventually seize power in the Vale.
I wanna ask a simple question: how did King Stannis know the truth about Joffrey?!
From AWOIAF: "Just prior to the events of A Game of Thrones, Stannis began to suspect that the children of Queen Cersei Lannister were not actually Robert's. Convinced that Robert would not believe him, he confided his suspicions to Lord Jon Arryn. Together, they investigated the matter, visiting several of Robert's baseborn children in the city, and Arryn had begun to gather several proofs when he suddenly died."
great job bro
Hold on, did they also Inadvertently confirm that Robin is Baelish's kid and no one noticed!?
Spoiler Alert first though.
.
.
.
.
In the animated history of Westeros. Lysa snuck to his bed at Riverrun and pregnant. Hoster Tully give Lysa abortion tea and had Baelish exiled. After many years she married Jon and had Robin.
haha that's what I thought too!!
great vid!!
thanks!!! :)
it's weird, right? lysa did not want to be included in the war but allowed tyrion to be held in the eyrie. I guess the trial by combat could not be helped since tyrion chose that method, but she further put herself in a problematic position of Tyrion were killed. Than again, other than Jaime, it is unclear if retribution would have taken place. It seems like LF kinda lucked out that Tyrion didn't die there especially considering it would be difficult for him to gain much. Lysa seemingly being his trump card.
perfect ending. nicely made!!
Remember when GoT had intricate plots like this?
Very helpful. Thank you.
Right on great stuff.
Great analysis.
But I don't think Littlefinger did it all only to get rich and powerful. Well .. he wants that too of course, coming from almost nothing in comparison with the great houses. But I think he also did it to get hold of Sansa. He made her father hang himself for his righteousness. And then Sansa needed someone to protect her - and there he was. He might even have planned to use Sansa to get close to Catelyn. I don't think he had a hand in the red wedding. Not his style... and he wouldn't want Cat to die before she thanks him for saving Sansa.
So now he still has Sansa as a bargaining chip for his own benefits and we have seen hints that he is trying to substitiute his great love Cat with her.
I'm sure, his plans for Sansa and Cat where at least part of his plot. But I am unsure whether that is just a piece of the puzzle or if that is/was his true goal.
The most interesting thing is where he wil land when all the big players and plot lines converge again and what his endgame is. I'm sure he has all of that figured out already. I highly doubt he wants to end up on the throne though, way too many enemies and too high-profile for his style.
On S6E10 it was shown that Littlefinger wants the iron throne. Well, this might be his tactics as : - For that he had to gain control over all houses and kingdoms. He could gain control over the east . Now east being a powerful territory with a huge army he can very easily use it to conquer others. He does so to defeat Boltons and gained virtual control over the Starks as he has more power. Starks having no temporary choice have to rely on him making the north fall prey to Li'lfinger . And East and the North could be driven under his control to fight the the current holders of the throne. This way he gains more power upon Westeros.....
Littlefinger is a greatest threat until now.
It is getting interesting. Littlefinger , Starks , Team Dany , Lannisters , and the lost Gendry Baratheon may be more......
Is the actor for Ser Hugh the Lannister twins in HotD?
this was always little fingers plan. he starts the wars so lords kill each other off so he can take their place until eventually he has enough power to take the throne and become king but he has no plans for stopping jon snow or daenerys other than to kill them
Sir hughs actor is in the new HOTD series as the Lannister
you could have expanded your diagram even further:
Lysa sends letter to Cat > Cat suspects Lannisters for Bran's fall/attempted assassination > Cat goes to Kings Landing > Cat intercepted by Littlefinger > Littlefinger becomes Ned's confidant with Cat's blessing > Cat takes Tyrion hostage > War between Starks and Lannisters > Ned finds out truth of incest through Littlefingers manipulation > Ned confronts Cersei > Robert killed by Cersei > Joffrey becomes king > Ned dies > War of the Five Kings.
If it hadn't been for Jon's death and the letter, the war of five kings would not have happened. Yes the Starks may have still suspected the Lannisters for Bran but Littlefinger would not have been able to interfere the same and Ned probably would not have found out about the incest. Bran's fall was the downfall for the leaders of House Stark, as that is what prompted Catelyn to go to Kings Landing and enable Littlefinger to manipulate and betray Ned. However, it could be argued that if Ned hadn't been merciful and warned Cersei, Robert would have lived and the Lannisters would have been wiped out.
Littlefinger learns of Jaime and Cersei relationship, and their kids heritage, through spies
Littlefinger learns Jon Arryn has figured out the truth through spies
Littlefinger uses Lysa Arryn to poison Jon and send a letter to Catelyn blaming the Lannisters, then have Cat burn it
Littlefinger then sends an assassin to kill Bran using a valerian steel dagger
Littlefinger convinces Cat the dagger is Tyrion’s
Littlefinger isolates Ned and becomes the only one he can rely on
Littlefinger goads Ned to take the throne by force, then backstabs him
Littlefinger single-handedly ran the entirety of Season 1.
I hope next season we see flashback of Jon aryn it would. Be nice to know what he was like maybe show him during Robert rebbilon or when he was investigating the legitacamy of cersei kids
it's like Sherlock is watching GoT :P Great observation!
Very well done
Do one about who murdered Joffrey. I mean we obviously know, but it would be nice to see the graphs and clips the way you do.
I'm glad you like my way of making those videos, but I don't think I'll make one about Joffrey in the near future sorry! I don't have enough time right now, plus I'm sure everyone understood it well and there are already plenty of videos showing the necklace scene~
i think LF just wanted ned to be hand of the king so then he could die when discovered the bastard case, and finally he could go to catelyn stark
Great vid.
Only dissatisfying bit was the Mountain killing Ser Hugh for pleasure. Too convenient for my liking haha.
True, that's what I suspect someone *might* have cheated to have the Mountain face Hugh in the tournament.
Also, someone *might* have specifically tell him to kill Hugh. Several people could have done that.
But it's also possible that he killed the guy for pleasure, really.
And it's also possible that the Mountain wasn't specifically trying to kill Hugh, but since he's a brute who deals very powerful blows, and doesn't care about how safe his blows are, well, shit happened.
We really don't know at this point (and we'll probably never know).
Gods, the writing was strong then!
Wasnt it also littlefinger who has sent the killer to kill bran, making the lennisters even more suspect? In the end he started a war between lennisters and starks. The chaos he talks about.
no, it was actually Joffrey who sent the killer after Bran! It's better explained in the books: in his poor twisted mind, he wanted to impress his father (Robert) by ending Bran's suffering in a "merciful" way. He had heard a conversation where a drunk Robert said it would have been better for Bran to die than be crippled. He stole one of his father's knives (Robert had won it from Littlefinger in a bet) and gave it to the killer. He later boasts that he's familiar with Valyrian steel, meaning the knife.
And then Littlefinger used what had happened for his own interest, creating chaos.
(Note: it's possible that they changed this in the show and made it Littlefinger instead, i don't remember)
@@CerseiDM thanks!