Harley Myth Busting: Do Oil Coolers Lower Engine Temps?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Ever wondered if oil cooling actually keeps your Harley's engine cooler? Is oil cooling the secret to managing heat? Here's the truth behind misconceptions on engine temps and oil's role in them.
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Lol, how many times do you have to prove that cooling a air cooled motorcycle is beneficial to the longevity of the motor. My hats off to you two for not giving up. Keep up the good work.
As many times as it takes! lol
Thank you for your support and for commenting! 😎 MB
I have been running Love Jugs and an oil cooler on my big twins for several years. I also run an oil cooler on my 49 Panhead that came off a 78 Lowrider. It really makes a difference here in North Central Florida in the summertime.
It certainly helps to have an oil cooler and fans! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
I too run love jugs here in Florida and I can tell the difference
DK Oil relocation kit and tank lift took my 200-210° F oil temp down to 190-200° F on my 2015 Iron 883. I haven't seen my oil get over 200° since and I ride 60 miles on highway to work doing between 70-80 mph the whole way on a typical day in the 70s & 80s F.
That is great to hear! I am so glad you are enjoying the benefits of having the parts installed. Thank you for your support, business and for commenting! MB
Thank you for your videos and for continuing to educate the Motorcycling Community about Air-Cooled bikes and the excessive heat they can and do generate.
Strictly "air-cooled" is not enough unless you maybe ride in colder temperature zones such as Northern Alaska.
Your educational video series inspired me to do something to protect my Harley-Davidson, 2003 Twin Cam engine, from overheating which is something I had noticed when riding in town with miserable stop and go traffic conditions. I added an Ultra Cool oil cooler and it made a real BIG difference.
I subsequently also added a Dynojet Power Commander 6 to my ride and this not only provided me with more torque and horsepower but maximized my fuel efficiency and the overall operation of the twin cam engine. When an engine performs well it has a direct correlation to operating temperatures.
Awesome! I am so glad that you enjoy the videos and information! Sounds like you have your bike figured out! Thank you for commenting! MB
You gentlemen proved yourselves years ago. Instead of asking questions, I just bought the products! I got my bike re-built with the same DK Customs products that I've had for the last 4 years. The Outlaw 606 air cleaner along with the external breather system makes a world of difference from my old motor (96ci) to the newly modified one (S&S 110). Tuning the bike was a breeze, and it's all thanks to the two of you! Thanks for what you do and the products you sell to make my engine last longer!
Thank you so much for your amazing feedback and continued support! It is Great to hear that our products have made such a positive impact on your bike's performance over the years and to know that the Outlaw 606 air cleaner and the External Breather system have significantly enhanced your transition from a 96ci motor to the newly modified S&S 110.
We put a lot of effort into ensuring our products are reliable and effective, so it's incredibly rewarding to hear stories like yours. We're glad that tuning your bike was a breeze and that our products are helping to extend the life of your engine. That is certainly the goal!!!
Your trust and loyalty mean the world to us. Ride safe and thanks again for your kind words! 👍😎👍 MB
I’m happy with the products I bought from you, so far everything has worked as advertised.
Glad you are enjoying the benefits of having the parts installed! Thank you for your business and for commenting! 😎 MB
Been riding air-cooled, iron-barreled V-twins for 45yrs. There's more to an oil-cooler than just longer hoses. Gotta use a well-tuned engine and a good oil-pump w/ proper pressure relief valve/spring.
The oil does collect in the aluminum crankcase, so there is some heat transfer.
H-D did sell a very efficient 'oil-cooler' back in the Shovelhead days made by Lockhart. Some say it's not needed on an Evo. I believe any reduction in oil temp is a plus.
The Brits used to run the oil thru the frame. Lots of surface area and air flow!
All really good information! Thank you for sharing it here. 👍😎👍
KP
I have the 23 Tri-Glide . I went with the Jims force flow fan and the UltraCool oil cool fan . Additionally I got rid of the stock exhaust. I follow much of DKCustoms advice. Thank you guys and a special thanks to the DKCustom team .
I am glad that you are enjoying the benefits of cooling down your bike. Thank you so much for your support and for commenting! MB
Thanks for posting. I also have a 2023 tri-glide. I’m in Florida and yes my engine gets very hot. I noticed that on my right side the heat on my leg gets very uncomfortable. I got stuck on I-4 on my way to Orlando and I had to pull over. Stop and go traffic is terrible. I cant split lanes like I use to. Now the love bugs are back. lol. That a hold different issue.
its sounds light harleys have heating issues n gotta wonder why anyone would want to buy
They do run hot, but with a few modifications they can be cooled down.
Here is a full playlist on why and how to cool down your T/C and M8 that you may find interesting- ua-cam.com/play/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
I'll be adding Love Juggs and a tank lift to my Road Glide in the near future, that along with adding a little extra fuel with my Power Vision, and I believe it will drop my temperature a few degrees. I'm an old mechanic, but not too old to learn. I like the videos you guys post on keeping the V-Twin engine running a little cooler, keep them coming. Thanks
Glad you like the video and are finding ways to cool down your bike!
You can see a 2 part written report on why and how to cool down your bike that you may also find interesting/useful - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
and
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
You can see more about the Jims Fan at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/jims-force-flow-fan-cools-twin-cam-engine.htm
You can see more about the tank lift at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/touring-model-tank-lift-kit-dk-trg-tlk.htm
Please feel free to contact us with any questions;
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Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Ok, Here's a strange one that maybe you can help me understand. I got a 103 in an '11 Street Glide. Done a fair bit of mods to it over the years. Anyway, got the heads ported and polished by Big Boyz head porting. Was expecting the oil temperature to go up but what happened is it went down about 10 degrees on average. The bike was dyno tuned before and after the heads were done. Both with an A/F ratio of 13.8:1. I was told that the mirror finished polish of the combustion chamber reflects the heat back into flame which is then exhausted. Any truth to this?
While the idea of a mirror-finished polish in a combustion chamber reflecting heat for efficiency sounds innovative, it doesn’t align with the principles of thermal dynamics and engine design.
A smooth finish can help in maintaining cleanliness and efficiency but does not significantly alter the thermal dynamics in the way described.
The reason for your drop in heat is you are flowing more air now.
Getting a better intake charge and the engine not having to work as hard to produce the same power.
Enjoy your Ride! KP
So far I've told all my brothers and friends about your videos !!!
Glad you like the videos! Thank you for your support and for commenting! MB
Do y’all have a thermostat oil dip stick for my tri glide ultra 2023 model
We do not sell them, but you can get the digital oil temp sticks from Harley, or from JES Customs.
Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
Whats the best way to measure engine and oil temps?
We measure the Oil Temp with an oil temp dipstick. You can get digital oil temp sticks from Harley, analog from JES Customs.
We measure the Engine heat with a Power Vision or an FP4.
Infrared guns are good for comparative readings, but not for objective readings. Here is a video showing how an infrared gun works, its' benefits and limitations- ua-cam.com/video/afgon9Qc1B8/v-deo.html
Here is a written report that you may find interesting/useful- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
I'm looking for an oil temp gauge for the 2023 Low Rider ST.
If there is one JES Customs will have it! 😎 MB
Weather thermometer dummy
A flo oil filter dropped my oil temperature 10°
I was surprised 😮
The Permanent Oil Filters Definitely help cool down the oil. Glad you are enjoying the benefits of having one installed. Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
I would like to see H-D would go all water cooled. I just don’t see a downside to it.
HD's forays into fully water cooled engines have been a failure so far(the Pan America and the new Sportsters, which are not really selling)...they have not found a design that appeals to very many buyers. I personally love the Air Cooled Harley's and do not want a different bike.
Here is a video you may find interesting- ua-cam.com/video/N0kLaVQhbW4/v-deo.html
Thanks for commenting! MB
I ride an air cooled Buell even with the oil in swing arm it still has an oil cooler.
Oil Coolers are great to have especially when trying to keep your oil at a lower temp. Thank you for commenting! MB
Just ride the bike and don't worry about all the b*******
That would be nice, but when I pay 30k or more for a bike I want to make sure it last long enough to be worth it. Longevity and performance is important to a lot of people.
Thanks for commenting! MB
My 2000 Victory , huge oil cooler , 6 quarts of oil , during testing in Death Valley , they had troubles getting oil temperatures up to operating temperatures , the new models went to 5 quarts , and a tiny oil cooler ,
Oil coolers 100% help with oil temps. In this video we are discussing if they help with reducing engine temps.
Thanks for commenting! 😎MB
Harley has know this for years and should be made to fix every bike they have made and I have notice riding in the fall and winter with the lower vents closed how much more heat there is coming off the engine and now I opened them for summer riding it is different and I have a 2022 tri glide
Sadly there is a lot that Harley can not control due to EPA restrictions. Thanks for commenting! MB
It does not cool the engine.It just keeps the oil from cooking
😎👍 Thanks for commenting! MB
😂Hello All Hudson Valley NY hear..
What add on"s will you recommend for a Mint condition 2003 Harley Ultra Classic 100 Anniversary Edition, Rinehart complete true dual exhaust, 20k miles clean machine...?
I am not sure what you are looking for with the added parts, but if you are running hot and looking for a way to cool down your bike here is a 2 part written report that will help you decided what to do to cool down your bike - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
part II
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
If you are looking for performance I would suggest adding some TTI's to your exhaust, possibly a free flowing Air Cleaner that is Externally vented and a tuner like the Power Vision.
You can see the TTI's at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=thunder+torque
You can see a full written report on exhaust at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/harley-exhaust-myths-and-facts.htm
Here is a link to a video on our Free Flowing Air Cleaners that come already externally vented - ua-cam.com/video/xP7wxWQmSa8/v-deo.html
Here is a link to our Air Cleaners - www.dkcustomproducts.com/air-cleaner-intake-c10-393.htm
Here is a link to the Power Vision - www.dkcustomproducts.com/dynojet-power-vision-flash-tuner-w-auto-tune-dk-pv-cmp-pkg.htm
Please feel free to contact us with any questions you might have;
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Thank you for commenting! MB
Thank y’all for the great information
Glad you like the video! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
Hi, Question about twin cooled bikes. I have a 2017 twin cooled 114. Does the coolant pump generate enough heat that would benefit from a cover that would allow air flow/venting? I always wonder why the stock cover doesn’t allow any venting. I’ve seen some aftermarket covers that have vents, and wondered if they are needed?? Or would drilling a bunch of holes in the stock cover help or not?
What’s your opinion on the pump, and cover design?
Good questions! 👍
The pump generates no significant heat, there would be no measurable difference in coolant temp if the cover was vented, or completely removed.
The reason for the cover is that the water pump is plastic, and there are some electrical connections, and all of that is directly behind the front tire.
I would not vent it, nor remove it, that would greatly increase the possibility of damage to the actual Plastic pump and/or the wiring.
Knock on wood, I have not had a water pump fail in over 100K miles....but I do know there are quite a few that have had pump failures.
I cannot say with any data to back up my thoughts, but I have entertained the thought that engines that are running really hot (have had no work done to cool down how they come from the factory) may contribute to failure of the water pump.
If you just want a different look for the cover, if you use one that is "vented" like in the link below, I would definitely put a mesh or screen behind it to keep any road debris from going thru the vents and striking the water pump or electrical components. I would also disconnect the connections and apply dielectric grease before reconnecting.
Here is a link to a playlist of Why & HOW to cool down your M8. And below that link is a link to a written report on the same subject.
All the things on the list are proven to safely reduce temps of the engine.
ua-cam.com/play/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C.html
Written Report Link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
Always feel free to email or call with any questions.
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KP
@@DKCustomProducts Thanks for your thoughts. I’ll leave the cover alone. Definitely don’t want the pump to be damaged.
Glad to help! Thank you for commenting! MB
This always cracks me up. Science is science. Like the siftail oil tank mod, it works.
Yes, Science is Science and with Harley's it isn't even rocket science!!! 😂😂MB
I been hearing this anti-oil cooler crap for the past 40 years. Some people hear something from their friends and kinda stick to it. I get that, but even after showing them proof positive they still don't believe it. The same goes with recommending 50-weight oil. een after you show them that HD does in fact recommend it under certain conditions they still deny it or for that matter the use of 10240 which had also recommends under certain conditions.
The Softai loil trick came from Axtell long ago. Nothig more than relocating the oil feed line to the left side of the tank instead of the reifght side. It dropped the temps a good 10 degrees. Which those big ductile iron cylinders from Axtell really brought the heat up, bt never distorted.
You guys keep up the good work. @@DKCustomProducts
People choose to believe what they want most of the time. Thank you for your support and for commenting! MB
I have recently installed Advanblack mid-frame air deflectors on my 2022 Road Glide, and love them. Much more comfortable from a riding perspective, and they look cool, so win win. But I have been bombarded by friends who tell me that I am baking my engine by having these on the bike, as the air gets trapped behind the engine and can't escape. I call BS on this...the deflectors are streamlined, and in my opinion, might even help to disperse the heat more effectively by shooting it down along the deflector toward the ground. What does everyone think? Am I way off base on this?
This is a quote from a written report we've done on why and how to cool down your TC and M8;
Remove the left side thigh protector. This will help the air flow very fast past the rear cylinder and out the left side...this is good for the engine, and will reduce the amount of felt hot air on the right side.
With the right side shield still in place, it acts like an air scoop pulling air into the space behind the cylinder...but with the left side removed, that air can now exit easily. With both installed, they are essentially two scoops that push air from both sides to collide and swirl, with no real good place for the air to exit.
It is not symmetrical looking, BUT, you can only see one side at a time, so it is unlikely most will notice you have a thigh protector on one side and not the other.
Doing this will cool the engine overall, so while riding & when coming to a stop you have a cooler engine than you would otherwise. However, if you are at a stop long, or in continuous stop & go, you will feel more heat on the left than the right.
You can see the full written report at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
Also here is a video on 10 low to no cost ways to cool down your ride that you may find useful/interesting - ua-cam.com/video/o3T3yA9BKwE/v-deo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
Hi guys we are in agreement to a point. Both twin cams and m8 have pitston jets. What are they for? S&S calls their's "M8 Piston cooling jets" ua-cam.com/video/GB0qnT5bUaI/v-deo.htmlsi=VztsRohV5MnNN2En. It makes sense that if you evacuate heat from the oil you have cooled the engine. That doesn't mean to imply you have saved the motor from catastrophic failure. Hopefully you have. Any idiot can put a hand grenade motor together it does not take skill or talent. Cheers
Yes, the piston oilers do cool down the pistons. How much? We have not measured it, nor do we know anyone who has. But you are absolutely correct, some of the heat generated by the engine is absorbed by the oil, cooling down the metal.
Additionally, there are some oils that result is less heat from friction.
All that said, if you then use an oil cooler that cools the oil temp down by 20 F, because there is not a linear relationship between oil temps and engine heat temps, you may see a 5F drop in oil temps.
Here's a video we made on the two different temperatures we measure & monitor that you may find interesting- ua-cam.com/video/dBmOolo-Qwo/v-deo.html
Thank you for commenting! KP
@@DKCustomProducts Hi Guys, We are in agreement on the difference between engine heat and oil heat They both can be leading indicators for each other.
I collect a lot of data on my bikes. You have to have a baseline.
I use both mechanical and electronic gages. Marlins gage and sensors and freeze frame data.
114 Twin cam Ultra glide. Oil sensor in the tank. Head temp (actually engine temp in my book, it uses a head bolt for a probe) rear roadside head bolt rear cylinder. Head temp for ECM in the front cylinder.
In the past I would just use the Marlin set up on carbed bikes.
I have an Ultracool system on the above bike with their HY Flo oil filter. Let me tell you, this is by far the best cooling system I have ever had on one of my bikes.
Yesterday I rod e to Greenbay. I took my cold weather covers off. Rode the 60 miles one way at 80mph each way. The rear head never got above 260 and the oil never got higher than 180. I haven't checked the ecm yet I will this afternoon.
Having said all of that a good tune is still the best heat moderator.
The piston jets are a take on an old school automotive trick drilling a rod and bearing to get oil sprayed in the cylinder. Harley must have decided they needed it.
You fellas Have a great day!
That is great Temps and I am glad you have your bike set up so that it stays in optimal temp ranges. That is Great!!!! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
Change the oil more frequently imo
That will help with longevity for sure! Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
Oil coold no such think
Yeah, what people call "oil cooled bikes" are at least air/oil cooled. Thanks for commenting! MB
My road glide limited is a water head.
👍😎👍 Thanks for commenting! MB
I've added your tank lift, deflector fins, and relocated my oil filter over the last few years. Never put on an oil cooler and with 80,000 miles I'm to cheap to give Harley money on an oil temp dipstick.
Hopefully with those cooling parts added to your bike you are enjoying the benefits of your bike running cooler!
They do have the digital oil temp dipstick at JES Customs.
Thank you for your business and for commenting! MB
When will you start testing the 2024 Street/Road Glides? I'm assuming those would like to have oil coolers added as well?
We are currently testing the 2023 Street Glide CVO VVT right now! Soon we should have some good data on them. Thank you for commenting! MB
That's great, thank you. I really appreciate your research and data. When I buy a 2024, I'm planning to add an oil cooler right away.
You are most welcome! We appreciate you commenting and your support! MB
Yup...we need to protect those new 117s..
Great job
Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
I’m running an ultra cool with the fan on my 2011 FLHX I’ve noted that the oil temps are running between 200 and 210 depending on the type of riding and traffic.
I just add wind deflectors to my fairing I’m going to try angling the vents towards the engine to see what that does but I have noted that the motor definitely feels like there’s less heat coming off it after a long ride with the ultra cool and Flo oil filter combo.
I’ll more than likely be adding love jugs to the motor in the near future
Great video guys
Glad you like the video and those sound like great oil temps!!!
If you are looking for ways to cool down your bike this written report is a great place to start - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
Greatly appreciated
Glad to help! MB
Water cooled even better
HD's forays into fully water cooled engines have been a failure so far(the Pan America and the new Sportsters, which are not really selling)...they have not found a design that appeals to very many buyers. I personally love the Air Cooled Harley's and do not want a different bike.
Here is a video you may find interesting- ua-cam.com/video/N0kLaVQhbW4/v-deo.html
Thanks for commenting! MB
Since I have target tune or maybe it was there before and I am Able to display CHT Cylinder head temp & engine temp. So apparently the Et on powervision is not coming from the sensor on front head because the CHT reads close to 100 degrees higher the ET. So does anyone know where actual engine temperature sensor is ??
What bike do you have? It will matter because they have moved the sensor around depending on what Year and Model bike you have?
Here is a video on engine temps and how they are read that you may find helpful/ interesting- ua-cam.com/video/PyfH_rkABfU/v-deo.html
Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB
@@DKCustomProducts
It’s a 2015 FLHR road king
@@DKCustomProducts
I watched the video, thanks for the explanation.
Glad to help! MB
I have bought multiple products for cooling my bike from you guys and always looking for more. I have a 2009 Road king and wondered if adding one of the rear cylinder wind deflectors would help cool my bike any? I have a tank lift but without a fairing and lowers didn’t want to add the front cooling wing deflectors I feel like they would stick out (maybe I’m wrong just most examples I’ve seen have been on bike with fairings). Thanks
If you are talking about the thigh protector you could certainly add the right side thigh protector and it will route more air over the top of the heads and help in cooling, but you do not want the left side on.
Also you can see the 15th and 16th picture on the Cooling Deflector Wings description page, is without fairings, and you can see about how much they stick out. They actually don't stick out as much as you would think. You can see the Description page at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/cooling-deflector-wings-for-touring-trike-models-dk-cdw-trg.htm
Please feel free to contact us with any questions;
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Thank you for your business and for commenting! 😎 MB
Air and oil cooled
😎👍 MB
good to Know my oil usually runs @ around 200 210 an 90 * day but Bike loves it & will Scream preformance ...but hope never any higher likke u Mentioned 230- 250 ...they really Run That Hi Oil Temt ?? & hold up ..what the max tempt on an good 20/50 syn oil ? Thanks for all Ya do !! appreciate ya
Thank you for your comment.
Those oil temps you have are ideal. Very nice! 👍😎👍
Yes, unfortunately, many of the newer models (starting in 2007, and then some even worse starting in 2014) can see oil temps going as high as 300 F.
A good synthetic oil will still lubricate, even with temps that high. The problem is the viscosity modifiers in dino and synthetic will begin breaking down around 250 F., measured at the dipstick.
KP
UPS just delivered my parts today, can't wait to get started, testing and riding, hopefully have results before the end of summer, I'll keep you informed. Thanks Kevin and Dwayne, hope I didn't misspell your name.
I am sure you will love the benefits of the parts installed. Yes, you spelled both their names correctly! Thank you for your business and for commenting! MB
I have a 2015 HD Freewheeler. I am looking at getting a 1" tank lift and air deflector wings from you. I need to rewatch your vid about what else is helpful to get temps down. I am not sure as to all of the updates my trike has as I bought in 11/2023. HD says Stage 1 and probably Stage 2 as it runs like it has an upgraded cam in it. We just aren't sure as there is no Harley service records on these changes. We are planning on going to your open house this weekend and hoping we can buy parts while there.
Yes, we will have some parts at the Open House and can not wait to see you here.
Here is a 2 part written report that you may find helpful - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
and
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
Please feel free to reach out to us with any questions;
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Thank you for commenting! Ride Safe!!! 😎 MB
Its true that oil gets hot, and sending that hot oil off to cool will ‘help’ with engine temp
However that’s not the purpose of engine oil, it’s purpose is to stop the rubbing metal parts from getting hot……well actually to keep those metal parts from rubbing on other metal parts, and the oil gets squished between them
Here’s a test for you, check engine, oil, and muffler temps running 20-50 dino, full, and semi syn……..in air and water cooled….with and without oil cooler
Yes, cooling oil will help cool down engine temps...but not 1 to 1. Depending on the engine, and a variety of other factors, more like a drop of 20 degrees in the oil may see a drop of 3-5 degrees in engine temp.
The purpose of oil is to lubricate. Oil that has gotten too hot (damaged additive package) will not lubricate as well.
Regarding your suggested tests. We have already done all that you suggested on Harley engines.
But, Harley does not have any water cooled engines, so there are no tests to do on that.
You may find the video entitled "Is your Harley Water-Cooled? You Might be Surprised!
Here is the link to that video- ua-cam.com/video/wRRtRYWm5rw/v-deo.html
Also, you may find another video we have done on what we measure regarding temps interesting. Here is a link to it- ua-cam.com/video/dBmOolo-Qwo/v-deo.html
Thank you for commenting! KP
If that post office style rack full of parts in the background of this vid exists IRL how about posting a tour. I was fascinated by it. 🤔
LOL that is just a digital background! Sorry to disappoint. Thanks for commenting! MB
I have a 2002 Dyna Lowrider, I live in Georgia and it gets hot here during the summer. What do you guys think about cylinder jug cooling fans, a friend of mine has them, he thinks they work, I am not too sure, especially at 50 to 70 mph
The JIMS Force Flow Fan is a great addition to helping cool off your bike. Here is a two part written report about Why and How to Cool off your bike that you may find helpful. We talk about the fans on the second page of the report - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
and
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
Here is a video on Common sense approach to cooling down your bike that you may also find interesting - ua-cam.com/video/CAcF0T-Cs3E/v-deo.html
Here is a link to the JIMS fan where you can read more about it - www.dkcustomproducts.com/jims-force-flow-fan-cools-twin-cam-engine.htm
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Look at the racing baggers cooling set ups. Expanded jug fins, air directing cowlings, and if your fancy go e85 or some alcohol system. I drift my 240sx, terribly and yes its always being fixed, and oil coolers, oil catches, dual fans, electric water pump, etc... all cost buku bucks man
Sounds like you have put time and money into your ride! Thanks for commenting! MB
I have a Road Glide Special...not sure I understand the debate in this video.. My bike comes with an oil cooler, that I understand is even bigger than the twin cams smaller oil cooler. I also added an OEM Harley oil cooling fan that keeps cooling the oil when the bike is just idling sitting in traffic.
Oil coolers are great to have and certainly help keep your oil at a lower temperature. This video was just about the engine needing its on cooling components because the oil staying cool will not cool your engine. Harley engines are Air Cooled therefor getting more air to the engine is the best/only true way to cool down your engine.
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The 2020 H.H. Deluxe is so cool of a bike. They are gorgeous in stock form. But the morons stopped production. Yes, I'm a firm believer of oil coolers for they have proven themselves to me on many occasions & quite frankly, it's common sense to use one. Note: If it doesn't contain water to cool, it's an air cooled engine.
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Until recently, I’ve only had a sportster and I never had any trouble with heat. I have a gauge on my dipstick of both motorcycles and I’m learning a lot from your videos about temperature and what can help. Thank you for all the videos
Nice, thanks for the comment, and really good to hear you are finding the videos useful/interesting. 👍😎👍
Yes, Twin Cams and M8's are very different than Sportys, especially carbed Sportsters. KP
I have a 17 triglide wandering weather I should get a temp dip stick or a vent dip stick. I've learned alot from your videos thanks
I am not sure what you are hoping to achieve with either, but I would suggest a digital oil dip stick for being able to measure your oil temperatures.
The vented dipsticks are ok but do NOT take the place of external breather systems and they also do not tell you how hot your oil is getting.
There is still hot, oily, oxygen depleted air being fed into the intake.
The folks that sell vented dipsticks and trans cover vents, have it right in their product description that they do not prevent all that crap from going into your intake.
Here is a copy and paste from the Trask website- "This will reduce the oil exiting from the head breathers..."
Even if there is no trace of oil in the intake, there is still hot, oxygen depleted air going into the combustion chambers, making the engine run hotter, and not as strong because of the lower oxygen content.
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Don’t worry about the haters.
I had those little plastic things that deflect the air on the road glide to keep buffeting down. When I was down in FL bike was getting rrallly hot so I pulled em off. They were blocking air from going over the heads.
Pulled those off after remembering what yall said about fangs and these sort of things .. unless they are built to route air AT the motor.
Keep the info coming
*re the heated shit in August .. I carry my rain gear all the time. No matter of weather shows a drought for 3 weeks. Always be prepared. I keep 3 different types of gloves at all times.
Gotta be prepared! Always .. well ya do if you’re about this life not just a casual rider
Glad you are finding value from our videos! Yes, you must always be prepared. Thank you for your support and for commenting! 👍😎👍 MB
I got the stock oil cooler with the fan on my 124 M8 RG.
Plans to add the flo filter and UltraCool.
You will be happy with the benefits of having both installed!
You can see the Permanent Oil filter at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=permanent+oil+filter
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I have a 2016 street glide 103 I put a dip stick with a temp gauge temp 230-260 normal traffic put a fan assist ultra cool and I didn’t think it was working but my oil didn’t want to break 200 it works awesome
Awesome, glad your oil cooler is keeping your oil at a great temperature! Thank you for commenting! MB
Many of us know how much cooler you can ride if you soak a sweatshirt in water at a rest area on a hot day and put that on. I seem to remember as much as an hour of comfort doing that on a hot day. However, for a mister set up on a bike, where would you keep all that water? I'm thinking gallons between gas stops or something , would be required.
Yeah, we have toyed with a mister idea, both for human cooling and engine cooling. Never pursued it seriously.
Wet sweatshirt, wetting down a mesh jacket, a cool vest, snap towels, even a bag of ice on the bars melting and the wind blowing back the mist from it.....all those work well to keep cooler.
Thanks for the comment.
KP
Having one cylinder directly behind the other, whether in a V formation or parallel, might've been OK in the 1920s when engines didn't make much horsepower but more horsepower means more heat and today's engines make many times more than they did then and yet the cooling system on H-Ds has not changed. Why would anyone buy a bike with such a flawed engine design that causes it to overheat?
Couple of thoughts upon reading your comment.
HD is in a catch-22, as discussed in this video- ua-cam.com/video/N0kLaVQhbW4/v-deo.html
Harley HAS changed their cooling systems quite a bit over the last 7 years...I am sure they have tried to improve it with each change. Some have worked well, others not so much.
Here is a video where we tested and saw some really good improvements they made- ua-cam.com/video/h7EdjR8l8Ag/v-deo.html
Here's a video where we tested and showed how they really messed up- ua-cam.com/video/wRRtRYWm5rw/v-deo.html
KP
Ha... I have a Road King and a Wide Glide both and only. Just found it funny that you mentioned both of my bikes in contrast. ...and man, they are a contrast. My question is about riding in Scottsdale AZ summer heat... is that an issue with Harleys? I live in the cold country now and am considering moving down to AZ to roast in my old age. Anyway, can a Harley handle Phoenix valley heat?
A Harley can certainly handle the heat, but you will certainly want to do what you can to keep it as cool as possible.
Below are links to a two part written report about why and how to cool down your Twin Cam and M8 - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
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www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
Here is a link to a video on some low to no cost cooling mods- ua-cam.com/video/o3T3yA9BKwE/v-deo.html
Here is a common sense approach to cooling down your bike that you may find useful - ua-cam.com/video/CAcF0T-Cs3E/v-deo.html
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What do I need to 2 measure the oil Temperature & engine temperature. I have a twin cam FLHTC. All I have is a air temperature gauge on it
A Power Vision or FP4 would measure your engine temps and you could get a digital oil dipstick from JES Customs to monitor the oil temperature. That is what we use on our bikes and they work great!
You can see the Power Vision and FP4 at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/efi-tuners-c74.htm
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Glad that My Buell has a factory oil cooler .. with an air scoop. It seems that my 2008 Buell Thunderstorm has Piston Oilers too. If you care cooling the pistons with oil then you definitely need an oil cooler.
I just got an oil temp gauge and two head temp gauges. I am curious to see how much E-85 will cool it down .. I found a Flex Fuel kit to install on it ./
Buell's had a lot of really nice features.
All modern Harley's have piston oil coolers. Here's a video where we show that- ua-cam.com/video/WpUorAUIj9Q/v-deo.html
Thanks for commenting!
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I have a question:
Without installing a cooling fan or relocating the oil cooler, what do you recommend to help cool my stock 117ci M8 & the oil on my 2023 Low Rider ST?
I installed the K&P REUSABLE OIL FILTER, the TRASK VENTED TRANSMISSION TOP COVER, and the TAB PERFORMANCE 2.5 LOUVRE SLIP-ONS.
Do you have anything in your inventory to help keep it cooler?
Air Deflectors? Tank lift?
I have the older version Power Vision Tuner and it can display the engine temperature, but not oil temperature. The engine temp maxxed at 320°F when riding thru hot AZ last month.
I would suggest a digital oil dip stick for being able to measure your oil temperatures. You can get a good one from JES Customs.
The vented dipsticks are ok but do NOT take the place of external breather systems and they also do not tell you how hot your oil is getting.
There is still hot, oily, oxygen depleted air being fed into the intake.
The folks that sell vented dipsticks and trans cover vents, have it right in their product description that they do not prevent all that crap from going into your intake.
Here is a copy and paste from the Trask website- "This will reduce the oil exiting from the head breathers..."
Even if there is no trace of oil in the intake, there is still hot, oxygen depleted air going into the combustion chambers, making the engine run hotter, and not as strong because of the lower oxygen content.
Here is a link to a two part written report on Why and How to cool down your Twin Cam and M8 that you may find useful - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
and
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
You may benefit from a better oil cooler, or a second one. See video on that here- ua-cam.com/video/M9ta84TmROc/v-deo.html
Here is a video on the Common Sense Approach of cooling down your bike that you may also find useful - ua-cam.com/video/CAcF0T-Cs3E/v-deo.html
We do make an M8 Softail Tank Lift. You would first need to check and make sure your tank ears are in a position that a tank lift can be installed. You can go to this link and look at the 3rd and 4th picture to see if your tank ears are compatible - www.dkcustomproducts.com/softail-milwaukee-eight-model-tank-lift-kit.htm
You will also need to check for clearance. Checking for clearance not only allows you to insure fitment, it also allows you to see which size will look best on your bike.
It is easy to check for clearance, Before ordering:
1. With bike on kickstand, take the bolt out of the front of your tank.
2. Loosen (do not remove) the bolt(s) at the rear of your tank.
3. Turn your handlebars all the way to the left and raise the tank up your desired tank lift size to check for clearance issues.
4. Turn your handlebars all the way to the right and raise the tank up your desired tank lift size to check for clearance issues.
Be careful when lifting your tank, you do not want to hit against something (forks, handlebars, trees, blinkers, etc.) when checking for clearance.
You can see the M8 Softail tank lift at the link above.
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@@DKCustomProducts Thanks for the info. I just ordered the oil temp gauge. I tried the tank lift and there's no space for it. Any wind Deflectors, or remove anything on my Low Rider ST that might help get more air to the engine?
You could add the Permanent Oil Filter as it helps cool down the oil. You can see the Permanent Oil Filter at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/outlaw-high-performance-cleanable-oil-filter-in-anodized-black-dk-ocof-ab.htm
You could also look at changing the Air Cleaner to a free flowing air cleaner with an External Breather System that will also help with heat dissipation. You can see the Air Cleaners that we offer at this link and they are all Externally vented - www.dkcustomproducts.com/air-cleaner-intake-c10-393.htm
We do have Cooling Deflector Wings for the M8 Softail. You can see them at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/cooling-deflector-wings-for-milwaukee-eight-softails.htm
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@@DKCustomProducts Yes, I have the all metal reusable oil filter. The vents are what I think would be a good next step.
Vents? Not sure what you are referring to? MB
I have love juggs mini mites and thunder max oil cooler fan my oil temps are usually 210 or less hottest longest day ride 220
That is Great!!! Sounds like you have your oil temps right where they should be. Thank you for sharing and commenting! ✌ MB
Spent many years in the military working on all types of electronics. Excess heat kills reliability & longevity! But, look how long aircooled vw's were around and reliable. 😊
Exactly why it is important to keep your bike running in good temperatures. Thanks for commenting! MB
One thing I noticed on my 21 Triglide still with the 114 and SE torque cam is the rpm you cruise at can make about a 10 degree difference in engine temperature. Me and my wife were out riding last weekend and it was sunny and 89 degrees and I was noticing my engine temperature getting up around 283 and I think my oil temp was right about 200 and I was cruising right around 2700rpms to be inline with the speed limit of 65mph. I got to a point where I decided I wanted to cruise around 72mph and that brought the rpm up to around 3000 to 3200 depending on if there were any inclines in the road. My engine temperature dropped consistently to 273 to 277 degrees. I guess with the engine pumping more air and more fuel that seemed to cool it off. Your thoughts?
I agree, it is exactly what you are assuming... You found a sweet spot where efficiency shines through. Enrichened fuel delivery, increased air intake, even increased air flow by way of faster headwinds. Now, if you ramp it up to 4k rpm, you could generate enough power to increase temps but this is all assuming you are reading the direct Engine temp from the sensor. If your device is showing you a number calculated from speed, rpm, IAT, MAP, TPS, temp sensor, etc you may not be getting an accurate before/after reading. But if this is the ET reading from the Powervision, you can bank on the temp readings. Thanks for sharing! -DS
My Tri Glide is dual cooled, my water pump quit working, where can I get a replacement other than a stealership?
Unfortunately, we do not know of anywhere other than a Dealership to get a water pump. I am sorry that your pump went out. I hope you can get back on your bike soon!
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3rd coolent .. fuel .. so you have 3 coolents on a air cooled cooled engine and a wind tunnel will show that the rear cylinder is cooler, front tire breaks the wind and it hits the rear 1st .. i heard that and thought the guy nuts ..till it was proven
Even with proof sometimes people think you are nuts! 😂
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A few months back, I left a comment on someone's video who was putting out miss information and I said, if you watch this DK custom video on this, it will show you are wrong and they came back with who is DK? Donkey Kong? I stopped watching their videos immediately.
We totally get the confusion! No, we're not Donkey Kong, but we do aim to bring solid, accurate information to our viewers. 😄 Glad that you find our videos informative. That means a lot!!! Thank you for your support and for commenting! MB
I think your graphic at about 1:32 has transposed the cylinder temps in the lower right portion of the graphic.
It would seem that would be the case. HOWEVER, we were very surprised by those numbers ourselves, and re-measured them a half dozen times on different runs.
You can see all the details on this testing in this video-
ua-cam.com/video/h7EdjR8l8Ag/v-deo.html
It became obvious that this dynojet tune had retarded the timing and increase the fuel so much that it made the rear cylinder run cooler than the front.
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I just added a ultracool oil cooler on my Roadglide-ST. I do most of my riding in the county and interstate. But even the bike constantly moving the summer’s here in Louisiana are so hot during the summer the motor just suffers from it. That’s with a aftermarket full pipe, Powervision tuner. Heat indexes here get to around 115 or so with 100 percent humidity. It’s not easy trying to keep an air cooled motor here cool. Keep up the good work guys.
I am sure that it is not easy keeping anything cool in that kind of heat! Glad you like the video.
Here is a video we recently made on a Common Sense approach to cooling down your bike that you may find interesting/useful - ua-cam.com/video/CAcF0T-Cs3E/v-deo.html
Here is a two part written report on the subject of cooling your bike that you may also find useful - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
and
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
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Do you have a good option for an oil temp gauge? What’s the best way to measure oil temp?
The best Oil Temp Gauges we have found are sold by JES Customs. You can find a few different digital options to choose from.
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I always look forward to your videos - very informative and interesting! Also, kudos to you guys for responding to all the questions posted by your viewers. I find a lot of useful information reading those as well. 👍
Thank you so much for your kind words and ongoing support! I am happy to hear that you find, not only our videos, but our comments informative and engaging as well. It's our pleasure to interact with our Viewers/Customers and address questions - your feedback is invaluable to us!
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No need to yell at us just tell us to ask you before we open mouth and insert foot😂😂
LOL Certainly not yelling at you, just clarifying and trying to help more people understand.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and data on lowering engine temps. I own an '07 Softail Springer living in central Texas. The summers are absolutely brutal. I had lived in the Houston area where the temperature and humidity were extremely high. That really curbed my enthusiasm for summer riding, but since I moved out west of San Antonio, where the humidity is way lower, I find myself riding in the heat more. Does humidity play any role in allowing the engine to run cooler, or is my experience just a factor of rider comfort? Thanks.
This isn't something we have ever accounted for in our testing but just from my understanding of humidity and how there it water vapor displacing oxygen... the bike should run just a tiny bit richer in regards to the air fuel ratio and this means a cooler running engine. I am sure it goes deeper that and some one much more educated on the subject could give you a more informed opinion. I also don't think, in my personal opinion, that it is enough of a factor to worry about though.
I do know that when you are riding in a humid area it does seem hotter or more uncomfortable than a less humid area. I hope this is helpful.
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@@DKCustomProducts Your thinking makes sense to me. Thanks for the quick response.
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Dwayn and Kevin, I love all of your guys videos. I especially love the ones on heat related to oil and the engine. For a few years I have ran into people I ride with not understand that all of the bikes, Road Glide, Street Glide, Tri Glide and any of the limiteds are ALL air cooled engines. Some of them swore that they were oil cooled or water cooled because of how Harley markets them. I had to explain what oil cooled and water cooled actually was and then even more I had to explain that twin cooled was AIR and water around the exhaust ports. I think that is the problem, people hear oil cooled and they think the motor is being cooled by the oil and not understand it means the bike has a passive oil cooling capability, but engine is being cooled by AIR. The other big shocker to my friends that are on a version of a limited, is that there is no oil cooling capability on the bikes. When I bought my 2021 Ultra, people couldn't believe when I started cutting my lower fairing to install an UltraCool fan. Then I had to explain again why I was doing it. In any case you guys keep putting the information out there and maybe people will start understanding the bikes are AIR COOLED!
You're absolutely right understanding the differences between air-cooled, oil-cooled, and twin-cooled engines can be tricky. Your proactive approach, like installing an UltraCool fan on your 2021 Ultra, is a great example of how riders can enhance their bikes' performance and longevity. We're glad our content is helping you share accurate information with others.
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@@DKCustomProducts forgot to mention that people do not really understand the importance of cooling your oil. It is not to cool the engine, but cooling your oil helps like you said longevity. The high heat of your oil breaks down the viscosity, regardless if it is synthetic, which leads to increased friction, component wear and ultimately engine break down or damage. But you guys know all this, keep up the great work and maybe more people will understand the importance of all of it. Cannot wait for your next video.
I bought a 2017 Heritage Softail in January, just ordered a temperature oil dip stick, I'm gonna start with tank lift, from there I could really use you guys help.
Came across your channel 3 days ago, perfect timing.
Thanks
What are you looking to do for or to the bike? MB
@@DKCustomProducts Stage 1now and Stage soon. Had an 01 Heritage W/ Stage 2 and loved it.
Thanks
Here is a video about the Foundation so that you will not be underwhelmed with your Stage I, Stage II, or Stage III - ua-cam.com/video/GK5x3lcQvJU/v-deo.html
Here is a written report on Doing It Right The First Time that you may also find useful/interesting - www.dkcustomproducts.com/do-it-right-the-first-time.htm
A true Free Flowing Air Cleaner is the first key to the foundation. You can see a report on our Free Flowing Air Cleaners at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/differences-between-outlaw-hiflow-air-cleaner-systems-dk-faq-acs.htm
Free Flowing Exhaust without reversion is also very important foundational item. You can see a report at this link with everything you need to know about Exhaust - www.dkcustomproducts.com/harley-exhaust-myths-and-facts.htm
Another very important factor is getting your bike running at an optimal temperature for performance. Here is a full video list on Why and How To Cool Down Your TC & M8 - ua-cam.com/play/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C.html
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I am looking to get into riding and enjoying your content. Question: Due to wearing a brace on my left lower leg and having poor balance, I am looking at a trike. Does Harley have an automatic? If not, what after market automatic transmissions would you recommend? Or should I look at a Honda, Spider, or SlingShot? Just asking and researching at this time.
There are no automatic transmissions from HD, and I have not heard of any aftermarket automatic transmissions for Harley's.
There is an automatic clutch. You still have to shift thru the gears, but you do not need to use the clutch. Rekluse.com is where you can see them.
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@@DKCustomProducts Thanks for the reply. Will check out the clutches. Due to the static nature of my brace, the Spider or Sling Shot are starting to look like my options. This is totally due to the nature of my brace and condition. Thanks again.
Either way I hope you find a way to Ride more! Thank you for commenting! MB
So, I’ve a 2016 Heritage. I live in one of the driest, dusty, hottest areas - southern Arizona. From the end of May and into September we could have over 100 degree weather. 110 plus due in the true summer.
I’ve found using Mobil 1 VTwin full synthetic 20w50 the best oil for this type of heat and wear and tear. ( better then any Harley oil or Amsoil)
What could I do help reduce my overall engine temperature?
I just got back from riding a bike in Vegas and I understand how hot it is in that kind of climate.
There are a good bit of things you can do to cool down your bike. Here is a two part written report on Why and How to Cool Down your Twin Cam and M8 that you may find interesting - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm
and
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
Here is a newer video on The Common Sense approach to lowering engine temps that you may find interesting - ua-cam.com/video/CAcF0T-Cs3E/v-deo.html
Here is a full playlist on the same subject that you may find helpful - ua-cam.com/play/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C.html
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How is it superior to Syn 3 other than cost ? I live in same climate as yourself and while Syn gives me piece of mind I'll take evidence or Experience over cost.. Appreciated 👍
@@paulhorvath9784 do you own due diligence research.
Get past the commercial google pushed top search queries.
There are independent studies by much smarter people ( oil industry experts with PhD and stuff) that you can find.
Amsoil is great and so is the SYN from HD. But reviewing the technical details and aspects Mobil 1 was a little better with some results. Primarily the heat temp of the oil and the breakdown of the oil. The molecular structure was “better” than SYN3 or Amsoil after 5k of use.
I’m not an expert, I just did a ton of research ( non biased) because I was an Amsoil guy.
Personally, the motor does less pings, knocks, and noise after it’s shuts off. Less than any other oil that I’ve used.
I have never owned an HD and I never will due to lack of $$$ BUT I can't believe that HD has not gone to water cooled engines. I think the V Rod was water cooled and that's great. All my bikes I have owned which is 8 have been water cooled and I have never worried about engine temps in traffic jams and 15 min. waits at stoplights.
Wow, I would move if there were 15 minute waits at stoplights! 😱
Yes, HD has tried water cooled several times...has not worked out well. They are between a rock and a hard spot...we talk about the catch-22 in this video- ua-cam.com/video/N0kLaVQhbW4/v-deo.html
KP
@@DKCustomProducts It's not the light it's the line of cars backed up that makes you stop at 2 or three light changes.
That is still a long wait for a red light, but I live in the country. Thanks for commenting! MB
I’m going to disagree on the fans working below 30mph, my twin
cam runs much cooler with fans on at 50mph
On my m8 I don’t feel the fans make much of a difference, someone said it could be cause of the size of the heads 🤷🏻♂️
Are you talking about oil cooler fans?
If so, I do not see how that is possible with a fan equipped oil cooler for Harley's.
The fans are not blowing over 30 mph.
I suppose one could get a bigger, stronger fan. that would blow more than 30 mph wind across the entire cooler.
Give us some details. Thanks!
@@DKCustomProducts I’m talking about the luv jugs sorry for not being clear
Oh yeah. Fans blowing over the cylinders are effective at lowering temps, even at 80 mph. They are sideways mounted and very good at giving some extra cooling. Totally different than the oil cooler fans that are front to back instead of sideways.
KP
What sort of question is that ?
Of course it makes a dif
Glad you agree! Thanks for commenting! 😎 MB
Best way to cool down a harley is to ride a gold wing...
Some people (me included) prefer to ride a Harley, even if it needs a few modifications to help if run cooler! Thank you for commenting! MB
Buy a water cooled bike. Problem solved.
HD's forays into fully water cooled engines have been a failure so far(the Pan America and the new Sportsters, which are not really selling)...they have not found a design that appeals to very many buyers. I personally love the Air Cooled Harley's and do not want a different bike.
Here is a video you may find interesting- ua-cam.com/video/N0kLaVQhbW4/v-deo.html
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Great video thank you! Right now my 23 fatbob max oil temp is 214 F. As the bikes get older does the oil / engine temp start to climb in the same condition? Thanks Darryl
The M8 Softails are one of the things Harley did a bunch of good changes on.
They got the Tank up off of the engine, so there is more air flow over it, they got the coil over on the side so it is not blocking air behind the rear cylinder, and they also put a REALLY big oil cooler on it that does a good job keeping the oil below 230 F. We made a video of our testing on that, you can see it here- ua-cam.com/video/h7EdjR8l8Ag/v-deo.html
The M8 Softails still have some engine heat challenges, but they have the oil heat in pretty good shape OEM.
KP
Thank you!
You are most welcome! MB
Sport Cruiser , Stage 4 , 1661 cc now , all machine work , 13.2 to 1 compression, complete 2003 transmission , 112 hp , 118 ft lbs of torque , on the the Dyno , I call her the SWEETNESS , she’s dipped in Kandy paint
Wow, sounds like you have your bike built just how you want it. Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB
@@DKCustomProducts 14K brand new , $6700 in motor work , plus $1700 for the transmission , painted it myself , even the rims and rotors , with thin Ghost flames on the tank , fenders , side covers , fly screen wind shield , shorty back rest , chrome controls , comfort grips , motor was done by Jerry Peterson , at North Star Cycles , he was on the original design team , when I picked my bike up , he had 3 new models pre release Victory’s on the lifts , he was building the new prototype exhaust systems for the new models , lots of tig welded pieces , got to see the new bikes before the public release , when it was brand new , a buddy smoked me with his stage 4 Harley ! I was bummed ! This won’t do ! Almost 10 lbs removed from the crank , spins to 6450 rpm’s now , money well spent , almost bought a CVO , but I went Made in the U.S.A. To this day , not one drip of oil , only 7 seals in an old Victory , plus gear drive , no chain , 5 shows , 4 first place trophies and a 3rd , no bike class when I came in 3rd , they put me in the Custom Car category , people always asked ? What kind of Harley is that ? I said it’s a Victory , they replied ? What’s a Victory !
@@DKCustomProducts from a 41 mm throttle body , to a 49
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I never heard of oil cooler cooling an engine. I read the purpose of an oil cooler was to combat the engine overheating the oil and breaking it down and to help with oil longevity. Now I do know manufacturers install oil jets that spray oil under the piston. My understanding is that it is done to help keeping the piston temperatures consistent for performance and anti-knock.
My R18 has a 111ci engine and even with the cylinders hanging wide open in the wind with 100 degree OAT, and the engine sitting at prolonged idle, it will hit 270 degrees. I can’t imagine what a V-twin will hit with the engine packed in behind a frame, wheel and fairings and of course one cylinder blocking another cylinder’s airflow.
Yep, what you've heard is correct. Unfortunately there is a Lot of misinformation being bandied about as if it is fact. Thus the reason for the video.
It is amazing how many folks, including employees at Harley Dealerships, state things as facts that have no basis in reality.
Did you see the comment in the video?
"Install an oil cooler with a fan and you'll get REAL results.
75% of all heat in any air cooled motor is taken away by the motor oil."
And, while we quoted that one person in this video, we hear misinformation like this on a regular basis, from well-meaning folks.
Glad to hear you have a good understanding of the subject.
Thank you for commenting! KP
I added an oil cooler to a '71 Triumph Bonneville 50 years ago and ran it 55,000 miles. For the day, that was pretty good longevity. I never thought it was cooling the engine, just keeping the oil a little cooler.
I didn't have any understanding of oil chemistry and addatives, it just seemed to make sense that cooler oil lubricated better. With today's lubricants being so much better and oil coolers on so many bikes, 76k miles like on my Victory, is commonplace.
Your practical, real world, testing and presentation to the biking public really helps people understand.
Thanks, and keep up the good work.
I am so glad that you find value in the information we share! We appreciate your support and thank you for commenting! MB
I read that if you wear the proper tennis shoes or flip flops when riding a Harley the engine will perform better……
Ha, 😂 love the tip! Who knew shoes could have such an impact on engine performance? 😄 MB
Mine runs like a raped ape because when its hot I don't wear any shoes at all.
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Learned something. Really interesting. TY!
Crazy that adding an oil cooler could raise your engine temperature. I’d have lost that bet before watching your video
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Thanks for being truthful for ur help ur right😊
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Questions for Kevin, regarding his Trike: I have purchased and installed every cooling option that you sell for the Tri Glide, *except* the oil cooler. What has kept me away from that are two things: (1) not sure of the need, coupled with (2) wondering if the extra lines just introduce another potential failure point that I otherwise wouldn’t have. I am open to being swayed for an oil cooler, but I’m just not convinced yet. But I have everything else you sell for reducing the temperature, including Jims Force Flow fan. I also have the Harley CoolFlow fan installed.
All readings below are when ambient temperature is 75 to 80 degrees…
I have a Dynojet Powervision 4 permanently installed on my handlebars (which I know you also have). It is common for it to report an ET (Engine Temperature) from 260 to 270 degrees, but of course it takes some time to come up to that temp. Otherwise it is lower, but once I’ve been running for a bit, temps around 260 to 270 are typical (closer to 260 unless I push my speed around 80 mph, then it climbs to 270, and if I push and hold around 90 mph, it climbs to 275 to 280).
I also have a JES Customs Oil Temperature Dipstick (you once told me you use that one), and it reports an oil temperature about 50 degrees less than the ET that the Powervision reports. I know oil temperature is not the same thing as engine temperature, but that low number actually surprises me, and I’ve wondered if it is accurate.
Kevin, my questions are: (1) what does your Powervision typically report your ET as, (2) what does your Oil Temperature Dipstick typically report your oil temp as, and (3) can you add any information that might sway me to install your oil cooler.
Regarding the Harley CoolFlow fan, it’s a Harley product so I know you don’t sell it. And quite frankly, I’m not sure if it does any good, because when the fan is in AUTO mode, the ECM doesn’t seem to think the engine is getting hot enough to ever turn it on (at least, not that I’ve noticed). And even in MANUAL mode it will still turn off above about 30 mph. Also, it will get in the way of the installation of a mechanical reverse, so I don’t know if I would ever recommend that fan. I think my recommendation is to just do all of the DK Customs mods you guys talk about, and let it go at that.
I just watched your video "Understanding Harley Head Temps-Yes, There are Two". It mentions the ECM will retard timing at 265 to 270, resulting in significant power drop off. I have never noticed anything like that. Maybe it's because of the Powervision flash? I just used the flash that Dynojet told me to. Bike always runs strong, regardless of the reported ET. In fact, if anything, it runs rougher when it is first started and still needs to warm up. But then again, the Powervision is almost always reporting under 265 anyway.
You don't say, but I surmise that you have a M8 Trike from the numbers you are reporting.
Oil cooler is important, here is a video showing why, and it also may answer some of your other questions-
ua-cam.com/video/wRRtRYWm5rw/v-deo.html
On a hot day my TG will get the ET, as displayed on the Power Vision, into the 245-260 range, and my oil temp will be in the 210-225 range.
It sounds like you have your temps pretty well under control. You do not want your oil to be getting over 230 F, that is when damage to the additive package begins happening.
The CoolFlow is for comfort only, it does not cool down the engine or oil at all...it does stop as much heat from radiating out to the rider and more, to the passenger.
You may find this video interesting- ua-cam.com/video/T2aG284iCKc/v-deo.html
Hope that helps you on your ride. Going to go answer you other question now.
Thanks for your business, it is appreciated, and very good to hear you are enjoying the benefits of the parts. 👍😎👍
KP
Yeah, hitting 270 F is not something most people feel while riding, but it is happening, and just like we unconsciously are adjusting the throttle for different road conditions, we adjust it when the timing starts getting pulled. Here is a video where it is illustrated very clearly- ua-cam.com/video/uyryiq6BzQY/v-deo.html
Around the 1:45 mark is where you can see it happen on the dyno with the bike on cruise control.
Keeping it under 265 F is really good, and much cooler than most TG's out there since 2014.
Wishing you many miles of smiles. 👍
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@@DKCustomProducts It's a 2022 Tri Glide (M8). I bought it new, then immediately put all your cooling mods on, together with your HiFlow 606 air cleaner, your external breather, and V&H slip-ons also purchased from you. I originally tried the FP4, then switched to the Powervision (also from you).
I don't have any experience with it stock. Only the final result.
Sounds like your trike is running just a little cooler than mine. Not surprising since you have the oil cooler, and relocated oil filter.
I've had the electric reverse go out. It was replaced under warranty, but I'm thinking if/when it goes again, I will delete the CoolFlow fan and add a mechanical reverse.
I have a m8, on my power vision et claims to run at around 320 typically on a hot summer day. I assume that is at the rear cylinder head sensor location. My oil temps ride between 205 and 215. I have wondered for a while if I'm too hot. I have watched your videos on cooling and what the bike does at 270. But I haven't felt that loss. I know there is things I could do at this point like an oil cooler fan. But my question is that 270 temp is that et at rear cylinder head sensor or oil temp? Thanks guys!
The ET on the power vision is the rear cylinder head temp. How are you measuring the oil temperature?
Here is a video on the common sense approach to cooling down your bike that you may find interesting/useful - ua-cam.com/video/CAcF0T-Cs3E/v-deo.html
Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts I am measuring oil temp by a digital dipstick.
If your oil is really running around 205-215° that is great it just needs to stay below 230°. It does sound like you still have some work to do to get your heads cooled down.
Here is a written report on the subject that you may find useful - www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
Thank you for commenting! MB
@@DKCustomProducts I'm running target tune with widebands also. Bike runs strong with cam, plugs do not look too lean. Maybe I should try to add fuel across the graph or change target AFR to see if it will cool it down.
Going from a so-so tune to a great tune will only cool the engine down about 10-15 degrees...which is good, but usually more than that is needed to get engine temps down.
You can see in the following link other things you can do that will drop the engine temp quite a bit more.
www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm
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Great, great video! Thank you,
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I just don’t ride if it’s above 82.5 degrees.
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Don't come to south Florida, even in the winter most of the time it's hotter than that.
Harleys need a good pair of fans installed directly to the engine..Jags can't be installed to the new M8s..2023-2024
We need solutions for the new baggers...oil coller with fan..tank lift...fans for the engine..etc
We are actively working on making some parts for the 2023 - 2024 VVT models. We do have some parts that do fit those models. Here is a list of parts that we actively have that fit -
External Breather Systems - www.dkcustomproducts.com/external-breather-system-w-catch-can-harley-twin-cam-m8.htm
Extended Brake Pedal- www.dkcustomproducts.com/2014-up-touring-models-extended-brake-pedal-lever-arm-dk-ex-bk-14tr-c.htm
NexGen Shocks- www.dkcustomproducts.com/rear-shocks-c651.htm
Oil Filter Relocation Kit- www.dkcustomproducts.com/oil-filter-relocation-kits-c610.htm
Floorboard Extensions- www.dkcustomproducts.com/foot-controls-pedals-extensions-c164.htm
FB16 Passenger Floorboard Relocation- www.dkcustomproducts.com/passenger-floorboard-relocator-fb16-harley-baggers-trikes.htm
We have just finished designing the M8 VVT Air Cleaner and should have it available on our site in the next week or two .
Please feel free to reach out with any questions;
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Ur opinions are sound 😊
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Great information
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Good show guys 😊
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Well said.
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Kevin & Dwayne, if you were to make one choice for a twin cam 103 motor, would you choose Love jugs or an Ultra Cool oil cooler with fans. I'm on the fence and want to make a purchase now looking for opinions
Anthony, the Love Jugs will do far more than an oil cooler...so if only one can be done, Love Jugs, hands down.
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You expect me to believe your testing?
lol!😂
You can believe what you choose.
However, if you are inferring that we would rig test results to promote any of our parts, that would be a false belief.
Case in point: We have a lot of M8 Softail owners that would buy an oil cooler from us if we said they needed one.
BUT, we did testing on oil temps for M8 Softails and found out that HD has done a great job on the OEM oil cooler on those bikes and No additional oil cooling is needed.
Here is a link to this video: Testing M8 Softail Oil Cooler-Harley Got It Right ua-cam.com/video/h7EdjR8l8Ag/v-deo.html
KP