A spare magazine is for 2 purposes, 1 is a malfunction and 2 is to reload when you think the fight is over. I will continue to carry a spare magazine as I have for the last 45 years of carrying professionally. I can reload faster than I can transition to another pistol.
A spare mag is to KEEP YOU IN THE FIGHT, weather you run dry or malfunction, in the fight! One purpose only... No other reason....we re not at the range.
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I don’t have time for all of this bullshït. Begging to follow and comment while spouting the most ridiculous bullshït I’ve ever ears. Good luck blue. Wish I could block you. I’m out.
@@eugenepearson4467 Yes, but the likelihood that you will need to reload in a self defense shooting is virtually zero, however, the benefits to carrying a revolver and a semiautomatic pistol are more likely to make the difference of life or death. Hence, the main point of this video: there are some situations that a revolver can handle way better than a semiautomatic and vice versa. Many self defense shootings start out as physical altercations, a revolver will not go out of battery if pressed in direct contact with your assailant. Also, you may not have the luxury of a good shooting stance or grip, in fact, you may be lying on your back and a revolver will never fail because of “limp wresting,” which will turn your semiautomatic into a one shot only gun. These are just two of several reasons that you will thank G-d that you have a revolver on you. On the other hand, when shooting at distance, or in a “mall shooting type of scenario,” the semiautomatic with the most rounds possible, and an optic, a flashlight, a laser, and/or whatever gizmo you prefer and train with is king. In addition, unless you are planning on reloading your revolver, it requires minimal additional training. This is the thinking that helped me arrive at my decision. Thank you for your comment.
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I don’t agree with that ideology. Being a retired police and worked patrol for 36 years, I’ll continue to carry my additional magazine. People need to carry what they’re more comfortable with and to carry another fire is to much extra weigh. So train the way you’ll feel more comfortable doing.
The Agency I retired from after only 32 years, LOL, issued full size Glocks for primary sidearms and S&W Model 642 revolvers with ankle holsters as backups& the weight of the lightweight frame .38 Spl isn't even noticeable...
I don’t know about the weight thing. Unloaded, my EDC doesn’t weigh much. It’s the 13 rounds in the gun that make it heavy. I don’t actually think a second gun would be much more weight than a second gun. I think concealment of a second gun might be more difficult than concealment of only one gun, but it might be worth it.
@@666devilknight I carry my 4” M&P compact with a 15+1 and a 17 round magazine, I also carry a 4” knife and tourniquet, along my cell phone, wallet and keys. My truck/suv setup is totally different. But walking around I make sure I’m not putting and carry appendix.
G21 Loaded - 40 oz + Extra 13 round - 52 oz G30S 10 rd Loaded - 31 oz +LCP 6 rd Loaded - 43 oz +Extra 9 Rd G30S Mag - 52 oz It's up to you what works for you. I had rather have my primary, but having options is a good thing.
I'm also a retired police officer. I carry a full-size Beretta 92F, a spare magazine, AND a S&W J-frame as a backup (ankle holster, WITH spare ammo). There's not just the semiauto's magazine or ammo failure to consider; there's also the possibility of that primary gun breaking or being taken away. And if you've never had a gun break, you haven't fired enough.
I'm from Baltimore as well. Right now, I carry 1 spare 20rd mag with 20+1 in the firearm. I've been thinking about getting the S&W bodyguard 2.0 along with an NAA sidewinder. Also, I've been thinking about appendix carrying a Sig XMacro with a flux raider chassis since they make a holster for it, might be too much as an EDC tho lol.
@stephenhuang G21.4 Strongside G30S Crossdraw Weakside Utility Belt with 6 - 13 rd Glock G21/G30 Mags Beretta 1301 Tactical with Bandolier of Slugs and Buckshot. Turn on Floodlights and Cameras. Okay, I think I'm ready to let my 140 lb Russian Terrier out in the backyard for a potty break now.
So, to be clear, we're trading a 15+ round spare mag for 6 or less AND giving up more pocket space? I don't see that as advantageous. Also, an NY Reload is not significantly faster than a mag change if you train, and the miniscule time savings is not worth having 10 less rounds. One other point to consider is modern crime - a lot of our new bad guys don't act alone. They roll up 3 or 4 deep and I'd much rather have those 28+ rounds than a snubby for a second gun and no reloads.
@gk5891 I wouldn't consider the pistol blowing up as a factor in what I choose to carry. That happens less than .001% of the time, so it doesn't even enter into the equation for me - if it did, I would also have to consider the multiple cylinder springs or pawls I've seen fail in the field, but I don't.
I will continue to carry 2 spare mags. No one ever complained of two much ammo but, there sure as hell have been a lot of people who complained of not enough ammo. You do you my friend and I'll do me!
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@DrTac lol I carry an X Macro, so I have 18 rounds, and I carry an extra mag in my change pocket and I have my 9mm pcc in my truck safe full medical on the back of the seats I'm all about having more them I'll ever need rather than need something I don't have and covid changed some of my preparation habits
@@Mark-wq1nh You may want to add a revolver into your set up...the bottom line is, there are some things that a revolver can do that a semi auto can't. Check this video out: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=acGyy8LSU2AV6Hk-
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If your New York reload is faster, you're doing things wrong. I'm not going to say, a speed reload is always faster, but it's not always slower. In reality, it's probably about the same amount of time, give or take. In any event, if your pistol is down regardless if it is dry at slide lock or experiencing a malfunction, you should be getting behind some kind of cover, as you initiate getting your pistol back up in the fight.
I wouldn’t go quite as far as the OP. As an average individual, my opinion is that each person needs to choose their tools that work best for them and train with that system. For many, it comes down to a balance between affordability, reliability and effectiveness. For me, it’s going to be more economical to carry a spare magazine or two than buying another firearm. JMHO…
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@@DrTac Backup gun is good. But you can never draw the backup gun as fast as an emergency reload. It's the wrong reason not to have a back up magazine.
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My spare mag sits nicely in its sidecar attached to my holster inside my waistband, concealed and out of the way... I honestly don't see how getting rid of that and putting a revolver in my pocket is the better option. Not for me anyway, but to each their own, just as long as they are carrying. 👍
Getting rid of the spare mag is not really what the video was about...it's about the benefits of also having a revolver on you, since there are situations that it can solve considerably better than a semi-auto, regardless of how many rounds you carry. Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=eIlldWSMKq8B0fLE
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I carry a Kel-Tec P-32 on my ankle as a backup, along with an extra magazine. I know exactly what you mean. I once had a pistol jam due to a broken spring in the magazine, which caused a round to get stuck in the chamber. I needed tools to clear it, and in a fight, having extra magazines wouldn't have helped. A spare gun is a smart idea-even a North American Arms Sidewinder is better than having nothing at all.
Just a thought..... If you ever have to use that gun and end up before a jury of your peers. No matter how many rounds you fire (statistically it will be two or three), the jury is going to hear, "This cowboy carries TWO guns!"
Ah, so the important thing is to "end up before a jury of your peers," vs ending up carried by your loved ones, serving as pallbearers....just sayin'...
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I'm in North Texas and I carry a Glock 26 with a 19 round spare magazine.......AND a 642 j-frame revolver with 2 speed loader reloads. I want to be prepared as best I can should something get going around me.
Interesting points, but as a retired Marine with 26 years of active duty and 4 combat tours you could NEVER have enough ammo. I don’t leave me house with less than 3/15 round mags. To each their own.
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Spot on! People start to carry in case of a mugger and end up equipping themselves to take down a drug kingpin’s HQ in a pitched battle. They take to heart the (well-intentioned) advice of 30-year police officers whose job/intent to carry was totally different. When I was young n the military, I ended up in a battle once. We solved the problem by leaving. Didn’t fire a shot. I hope people who start to carry won’t forget, when the critical time comes, all the swerving, ducking for cover, and generally running away that are part of it.
REASONS TO NOT DO THIS - Most never get the amount of training or proper training to be proficient with both pistol and revolver to where they'd be successful in a gun fight - 12 + 5 is less than 12 + 12 (or 15 or 20) in the spare magazine - 1 or 2 full spare magazines weigh less than most loaded J frame and other compact revolvers. - in most cases you be able to draw the spare magazine and reload faster than drawing a revolver from on pocket or deep concealment rig - have any of you tried drawing a backup gun on the move? Or in between moving and getting to cover? Most backup gun carry locations are conducive to that or being in various shooting positions that you might end up in. If you carry a backup gun, if should be of the same exact trigger action and manual of arms as your primary. Preferably takes the same magazine. Preferably same manufacturer and everything else except for size. Note: This is not something to mess around or come up with a "good idea." Go to several top shelf multi day shooting schools from the top providers. This is life and death stuff.
I totally get where you’re coming from, but where I think the disconnect here is, is that you need to appreciate the distinction between the armed citizen who conceal carries vs law-enforcement/military. The primary duty of a citizen in a self-defense situation is to get themselves and their loved ones out of that situation, while the primary duty of law enforcement/military is to run towards trouble and engage. Yet, even in law-enforcement/military, where it makes the most sense to maximize the number of rounds available to them, many carry a back up revolver. I am not advocating minimizing training with this next statement, just acknowledging reality: A revolver requires significantly less training because of the simplicity of its manual of arms. Again, to be clear, a snub nose revolver chambered in a relatively powerful caliber can be quite difficult to shoot, and should be trained on, but as far as it’s basic operation, it does not require near the amount of training, that is necessary for a semi automatic. Another consideration needs to be the fact that carrying two very different types of guns provides you with exponentially more options. I would strongly encourage you to check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=YrsOodS5A7US4RAx Again, I’m not disagreeing with some of your solid points, more ammo is better than less and maintaining a consistent battery of arms makes a lot of sense. However, PURPOSE OF USE must be considered, and these benefits that you recommend are highly useful to law-enforcement/military, but practically speaking, are of less value to the armed citizen and provides them with less options. I’ll just close with this point: there is a very good reason that many law-enforcement officers, both on and off duty, carry back up revolvers along with their semi autos. I appreciate your well thought out comment.
@JPetersenJohnMiltonPetersonIII You just gave the best reason to carry a revolver and ditch the auto. "- Most never get the amount of training or proper training to be proficient with both pistol and revolver to where they'd be successful in a gun fight" Revolvers are safer, more reliable, and easier to operate and train with and less that can go wrong. I would rather have six rounds guaranteed than one guaranteed and 14 possible from any number of problems that can happen with the auto or mag. Except for gangland high crime areas with multiple threats, most gunfights last five seconds. That is the reality that lots of folks are out of touch with. No one is going to get through a mag or cylinder let alone have time to reload in five seconds. We had better be more concerned with accuracy than capacity because accuracy under stress is more important. I carry both autos and revolvers depending on seasonal time of year and although I do shoot autos well, I shoot revolvers better.
@@DrTac Some of us have both taught to everyone of these audiences as well as worked in them AND taught at two of our countries top and most reputable academies for self defense training for US citizens. So some of us know this realm inside and out, with every single one of these issues and concerned already addressed decades ago. There's nothing new or revolutionary at all in these videos (its all about the clicks). Thusly, It might be better to listen to the voice of experience before putting out information that could get someone else killed.
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You are 100% correct. Carrying two guns that take the same mags and function the same way makes the most sense. Most of the time that's what I carry. On the occasions that my backup doesn't take the same mags as my primary, I carry extra mags for my spare and it functions similarly as my primary. The safeties will function similarly and the magazine drops will be similar. If you carry guns that the safety switches on/off very differently you can mess up easily in a stressful situation.
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Thanks for the vid, Dr. It's called a NY reload, and I figured that's where you were going. It is considered advantageous for when under attack, or stopping an attack on someone else. you can hand your backup to a compadre. You seemed a little bit nervous, but hang in there and you'll be at 10K sooner than you think. Godspeed!
People please dont listen to what anyone says about why they dont carry an extra mag. The same rule for needing and not having applies We dont wear seatbelts because we think were gonna die but to be covered incase of an accident.
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Revolvers have always been my preference. However, I also acknowledge the numerous advantages of a semiautomatic. As for the "less than reliable" bit, I'll say that modern semiautomatics are head and shoulders above where they used to be. Read the guru comments from 60's and 70's magazines, and you'll see the comments about needed "break-in" periods for all semiautomatics (to the tune of 3 to 5 hundred rounds!!!). While much better than ever before, it's my personnel belief that every semiautomatic should be given a break-in period before relying on it. This is helpful because it helps identify any magazine issues, and helps settle the parts into a stable relationship with each other, and identifies any gun issues that may be present requiring a trip back to the maker or to the gunsmith. As for the reliability, again, it's long been known that any feeding or ejection issues should ALWAYS start with a close look at the magazines since that is a known source of reliability issues. I've handled more than one semiautomatic that suddenly started to behave when a different magazine was used. But back to your reasoning - I actually think you have a good idea.
Just for the record - I've seen revolvers jam up - and they were impossible to clear in the field! The lockwork of a revolver is complicated and the smallest grain of sand can turn the best revolver into a paperweight. Jus sayin....
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If I carry a second gun. Then it will be the same as the first one with one or two extra magazines. This is the gun you train with for an emergency. Why try to use 2 different firearms. But it really boils down to what makes each person the safest. That being said I will buy a duplicate gun of the one I carry now and thanks for the tips. At least you allowed me to rethink what's best for me.
@@anthonymitchell6831 To answer your question, “Why try to use 2 different firearms?” Well, let me just say, that was actually the whole point of this video: there are some situations that a revolver can handle way better than a semiautomatic and vice versa. Many self defense shootings start out as physical altercations, a revolver will not go out of battery if pressed in direct contact with your assailant. Also, you may not have the luxury of a good shooting stance or grip, in fact, you may be lying on your back and a revolver will never fail because of “limp wresting,” which will turn your semiautomatic into a one shot only gun. These are just two of several reasons that you will thank G-d that you have a revolver on you. On the other hand, when shooting at distance, or in a “mall shooting type of scenario,” the semiautomatic with the most rounds possible, and an optic, a flashlight, a laser, and/or whatever gizmo you prefer and train with is king. In addition, unless you are planning on reloading your revolver, it requires minimal additional training. This is the thinking that helped me arrive at my decision. Thank you for your comment.
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Very thought provoking video. I live in the D. (Detroit) Some areas of the D are like living in the Wild Wild West! It is what it is. Although I don't hang out in area that are known for criminal activity.... Stuff/life happens! Therefore, I carry a semi auto with two spare mags, a backup 380 or revolver and a less lethal option for those just in case situations. But hey, that me. We all have to do what we think is in the best interest of ourselves and loved ones. Stay safe and healthy. Peace
I'm thinking you may want to rethink this. Carry both guns / carry extra mags - get ankle holsters and mag holders. This climate is only getting worse. I will assume you have a truck gun. Don't stop carrying that in your car/truck either.
At the 5:25 time mark, the commentator pointed the LOADED revolver at his own hand. JMHO but unsafe handling of a loaded firearm disqualifies a person from teaching others about firearms use or giving advice about firearms.
Have always carried a spare magazine i an IWB magazine carrier. This leaves pocket space for other things. And due to the car jacking spree(s) of a few years ago in Chi'town: I akso carry a revolver in an ankle holster. Better to have it and not beed it than need it and not have it.
You carry a spare mag to carry 147 gr hard cast lead rounds to go through windshields or through a 400 lb attacker wearing a leather jacket and hoodie. Your hp won’t do shit in these circumstances.
@joerogan5433 I think you confused me with someone else. I never said anything about not carrying a spare mag. I was simply referring to the comment about a leather coat and hoodie. That normally will at least delay expansion resulting in increased penetration. Usually the most difficult situation to get adequate penetration is bare skin because of early and rapid expansion to a larger diameter. As to hard surface performance, that depends on the JHP design. A traditional cup and core or a traditional fmj will swage the core out. Many modern bonded JHP designs do much better against surfaces like glass in testing. Anything that feeds reliably in a good spare mag is better than the alternative.
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First, absolutely garbage recommendation that nobody should follow. Second, after announcing your wheel gun was loaded, you went on to flag yourself. Finally, there is nothing doctor or tactical about any of this.
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Geeze, I’m shocked at the hate in the comments. Your vid was a good “thought piece.” Brainstorming is important whether or not the ideas end up being used.
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I am a retired LEO and agree with you about the purpose of a spare mag. The second gun is faster than a reload. An old NYPD legend, Jim Cerillo of Stake Out Squad fame used 2 revolvers back in the day. Hence the term, a New York reload was born.
First of all thank you for your service. Second of all, I appreciate you sharing your opinion on the back up gun. Thirdly, thank you for the historical perspective…I’ve certainly heard the term, but I always thought it had a gang origin. I like and appreciate the term way more, now knowing its actual background.
Cirillo also had at least one other guy with him, sometimes more. And was in a prepared position, waiting for the thugs to show up. He said in "Tales of the Stakeout Squad" that they used the M1 carbine pretty extensively. Not a lot of overlap with people who have to go about normal life.
I carry a backup gun and two additional 20 round magazines for my primary pistol. This is the first time I ever heard of having to decide between a backup pistol and extra magazines for your primary. I don't feel like it takes up too much space or anything. And besides, if you do have to change a magazine, because of a jam, which I never heard of, you still have to unjam it even if you pop out one magazine to pop in another. I don't see how you are avoiding unjamming the gun by swapping magazines.
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The Agency I retired from issued full size Glocks for primary sidearms and S&W Model 642 revolvers with ankle holsters as backup & I find that combo still serves my needs well. I spend a LOT of time driving & drawing from strong side hip while seated behind the steering wheel, especially if wearing a seatbelt, is slow, awkward, & totally telegraphs the draw...while drawing from an ankle holster while in the driver's seat is smooth fast & unexpected....& if I ever have to go into a place where concealment is a priority, I can always leave the full size primary locked in my vehicle gun safe & easily conceal the snub-nosed Mod 642 in a pocket...
If you run dry or are disarmed, a secondary makes lots of sense. However, I don’t see any reason why the LCP MAX or S&W Bodyguard 2.0 wouldn’t fill the role better with 10 rounds in a lighter gun. If you already have a revolver, cool. My first gun was my 686, and want a 3-4” SP101 and that buttery coil-spring DA baaad. But I want to try the new Smith auto for practicality.
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Yeah, but he did say "I don't have tons of pocket space and I'm not wearing a utility belt, so I'm only going to carry so much stuff on me." I interpreted that as he doesn't have room in his pocket for a spare mag but he does have room for a spare pocket revolver? 🤣🤣
@@davidhudson2527 Well, he can carry the revolver in an ankle holster. Some folks carry a loaded handgun in their pants pockets without a holster. Never carry a loaded handgun in your pants pocket. All loaded handguns belong in a holster. However, there are some holsters that can fit in your pocket. BTW, I will continue to carry two spare mags instead of another gun.
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They should call you Dr Fauci because your reasoning makes just about as much sense honestly I've never heard anything so opposite of good advice gotta watch you don't get a malpractice suit started, How do you draw a wheel gun out of your pocket let's see if you're sitting down or even standing up I've been a two gun guy forever But my travels were an extreme crime areas I just don't think it's feasible But my primary care weapon is not a sub compact I won't ever carry a subcompact For me it doesn't qualify as a carry weapon self defense weapon And if you think weapons swap is quicker than changing Mags you need more practice changing mags Multitasking is the key Any special forces guy will tell you the same thing
I totally get where you’re coming from, but where I think the disconnect here is, is that you need to appreciate the distinction between the armed citizen who conceal carries vs law-enforcement/military. The primary duty of a citizen in a self-defense situation is to get themselves and their loved ones out of that situation, while the primary duty of law enforcement/military is to run towards trouble and engage. Yet, even in law-enforcement/military, where it makes the most sense to maximize the number of rounds available to them, many carry a back up revolver. I am not advocating minimizing training with this next statement, just acknowledging reality: A revolver requires significantly less training because of the simplicity of its manual of arms. Again, to be clear, a snub nose revolver chambered in a relatively powerful caliber can be quite difficult to shoot, and should be trained on, but as far as it’s basic operation, it does not require near the amount of training, that is necessary for a semi automatic. Another consideration needs to be the fact that carrying two very different types of guns provides you with exponentially more options. I would strongly encourage you to check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=YrsOodS5A7US4RAx Again, I’m not disagreeing with some of your solid points, more ammo is better than less and maintaining a consistent battery of arms makes a lot of sense. However, PURPOSE OF USE must be considered, and these benefits that you recommend are highly useful to law-enforcement/military, but practically speaking, are of less value to the armed citizen and provides them with less options. I’ll just close with this point: there is a very good reason that many law-enforcement officers, both on and off duty, carry back up revolvers along with their semi autos. I appreciate your comment.
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This used to be called "a New York reload": many cops carry a 2nd gun and I agree that the time it takes to change mags, cycle the slide and get back in the game is significantly more than the time it takes to draw a 2nd weapon, especially a snubby revolver that can come out spitting. Ideal when both guns run the same cartridge, as your snubby can now use up extra rds in that jammed mag. I have a Springfield Hellcat (9mm) and a Taurus 9mm 5- shot snubby revolver. My "pair of 9s", that I am very satisfied with. When both are worn on the belt, it feels like a balanced load. The snubby is worn crossdraw, which allows for easy draw in a car or seated in a restaurant.
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Good points. Unfortunately I am too skinny for pocket carry. Even a 380 pea shooter sticks out like a sore thumb. I can see the benefit of a nice 5 shot 357 as a backup though.
This topic came up in a S&W FB page I was part of but the possibility of a malfunction wasn't the argument. I think malfunctions are a good argument and maybe having the ability to hand a gun to a friend...but why aren't they already carrying. (choose friends wisely. LOL) It was being argued that no one has ever done a mag change in a gun fight and is more likely to draw another gun. Statistically, I think gun fights are over in 7-8 rounds anyway so spare mag or 2nd gun is irrelevant but for me, spare mag makes sense, if strictly talking about running out of ammo. This was my reply: If it is easier to draw and transition to a 2nd gun, what do you Do with the primary? It's not like a slung rifle. Are you tossing it or holstering it? If you Toss it, it's now out of your possession and if you holster it, you're slowing down the process, especially if you're looking it in the holster. Plus, now your eyes are off the threat. For me, a mag change is Less complicated and less things to figure out.
Your 'what to do with the primary gun' is a question that I have to admit I had not considered. It's a great question and an excellent point. I think that I would discard it, since it is either empty or inoperable...but if possible, I would stuff it in a pocket. Thank you for your comment. You have definitely given me something to think about.
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You don't have room for a second mag, but you got room for a second gun! It's not too hard to carry a second mag. You could carry a second mag & second gun! I don't know, I watch for entertainment only
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This video is really a surprise, because I thought I was the only one that was doing this! Now I don’t know if I’m really saving much in terms of overall weight or space, but I have been thinking around the same lines. Rather than carrying a spare magazine why not carry a spare gun? So up until just this morning actually, I have been carrying my EDC, which is a Sig Sauer P320 X 10 comp (still not a small gun by any means) and my Cimmeron Colt Thunderer 357 magnum revolver with a birds head grip along with a three and three-quarter inch barrel. The birds head grip actually makes for a very comfortable and easy conceal option.
Why does anyone give a tinkers damn that a gun was shown to be unloaded on a video that is already in the can and being watched on a phone. I mean, if you’re looking for the ultimate in firearms safety, it certainly doesn’t get any better than that! I don’t think anyone was ever shot, accidentally or on purpose, through a phone from a previous time.
Changing guns in the middle of a gunfight seems like one of the worst ideas ever. I train with a gun and I carry that gun and my mind and muscle memory actually doesn't care what the gun is, it just knows that it is the gun I trained with and I always know where all the moving parts are. and a spare mag isn't 6 more shots. It's 15 more shots - or 21 more shots. I don't think you're enticing subscribers with this idea.
So I’m afraid you may have missed the real point of the video. The fact of the matter is that as an armed conceal carry citizen, you have an obligation to get out of the fight, not into the fight. The chances of you needing to reload are very very low, but the chances of being in a physical altercation that your gun can save you from, statistically speaking, are significantly higher. At the end of the day, revolvers can do some things better than semi-autos and vice versa (check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=vk1Vq-2_b4trTITW), So it’s foolish not to train with both and have both. The visual of throwing away your spare mag is done in tongue and cheek… You are still allowed to carry a spare mag if it makes you feel better😉, But why handicap yourself by limiting your choices to only one type of gun?
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I agree with the idea of carrying a revolver instead of the extra mag, 100%. Unfortunately, I don’t currently own one. I’ve shot plenty of them though and it should be standard carry practice. I’m also from the oppressed city of Baltimore within Marylandistan, so your opinion sings to me. I’m simply in the process of building my arsenal since it’s only been a couple of years since our state has been forced to even appear to be apart of the USA. I have some catching up to do. I value your opinion and I like your channel. Keep up the fine work.
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I understand the perspective, however to me, it doesn't make sense. In a high stress situation, muscle memory of key. You lose fine motor skills. So why would I throw in an entirely new gun, new feel, new manual of arms in the midst of a situation where I'm already at a disadvantage mental. I do like the idea of being able to pass it to another person, but I think that's probably a less likely scenario than me needing to clear a malfunction. I respect your opinion, but I must disagree.
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I'll keep the spare magazine instead of carrying a spare pistol I just don't see the advantage in carrying another pistol that's a revolver over a extra magazine
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Have fun trying to get that revolver out of your pocket with all 5 rounds, a crap trigger trying to hit anything vs a fast magazine reload with a gun you are familiar with. Might as well go full fudd , carry a 1911 and use an M14 rifle.
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Rational carry decisions are about risk management. How much is enough depends on how much risk you are comfortable assuming. The odds of a civilian (like me) needing a reload are so infinitesimally small I am comfortable carrying only 6 rounds.
I get the argument for a BUG, I don’t have the space to easily carry one and even though I’m sure I could figure out a carry system for it, I can count on one hand the number of malfunctions I’ve had with centerfield semi-auto pistols in my life and I shoot a lot. I do carry a spare mag most of the time, I wear cargo shorts a lot and have a cell phone pocket in the front of the cargo pockets on them, the off side one is the perfect spot for a spare mag, if it’s cold enough for long pants, jackets always have a spare pocket and many have a cell phone pocket that does the same thing.
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I carry spare magazines and a backup gun. The idea that the purpose of a spare magazine is for malfunctions is ludicrous. A backup gun is for malfunction. A spare mag is for more bullets. Sometimes, there is more than one assailant, and sometimes you can get in a prolonged exchange. You can't predict the future so you should prepare for the various possibilities. Most of the time my spare gun, while smaller than my primary, takes the mags as my primary. So I have additional ammo for whichever gun I end up using.
If this is the case, choose the .357 COP pepperbox derringer as the backup gun. Sealed construction, four shots with more power than the primary and same sight radius as the revolver. So simple that if it jams then you weren’t meant to win that day.
I carry two extra ten round mags for my g43x. I do wear a utility belt, have a good holster and wear it all comfortably. What I will never do is carry any firearm in a pocket that may be hard to reach in an emergency as well as the added danger of a negligent discharge in a tense situation.
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Well, you convinced me to carry a backup. I'll pay attention to whether of not my extra mag makes me feel overloaded. If I have to give up one or the other, I'll give up the extra mag.
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Read at least 20 of the comments and not one person has mentioned what they do if their primary has a catastrophic failure or they lose it, be it taken away or dropped if they get hit. I normally carry dog spray in my left pocket and more lethal on my strong side. I look at things through the more through the lens of an outdoorsman, but my step dad was a deputy, who carried a back-up. How many hunters in bear territory carry a rifle and a back-up revolver? A: A lot. How many cops carry a back-up? A: A lot. This makes a lot of sense to me.
For myself, what and how I carrying is highly situational. When I'm home or on my own property and doing work I carry a revolver or semi-auto pistol with no reloads. If I'll have to be in a crowdy location or if I have to jump in my car and go pick up groceries, I carry my snub-nose or a compact semi-auto pistol, no reloads usually. If I'm travelling - especially across states I first make sure what I carry is complaint with ALL the states I drive through and I usually also carry extra reloads, and occasionally even an extra pistol. Also, even though the state I live in has a constitutional carry law, I keep my Carry Concealed Weapon permit current and I carry concealed 90% of the time (even at home) and never off-body. Do what you're comfortable with and don't ever be afraid to explore additional options.
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Yeah. It’s probably the best solution. Just carry two guns. I sometimes carry two small guns. Other times I carry one big one. I go back and forth. Thanks for the video.
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Interesting and valid points. I typically carry an extra mag, a flashlight, and a tactical fixed blade. If I'm going into a part of town that's more shady, I'll carry a backup revolver. If I'm traveling, I'll also keep a long gun with extra mags for it in my truck. I guess there's no wrong answer as long as you have an extra source and are trained. It's a matter of preference, but for me, there has to be a point where you trust your tools. I carry a Wilson Combat EDCX9 as my EDC. I've put it through a lot in training and never once had a single issue whatsoever through thousands of rounds and dirt, grime, and fouling. I trust it with my life, literally. If, by the unlikely event, it goes click when it should've gone bang, I'll do immediate action. If that doesn't work, I'll do whatever the situation dictates, whether close with the target and engage hand to hand or seek cover and clear the stoppage and get back in the fight. Whether I have one gun or two, if my primary doesn't fire when it's supposed to, I'm going to be on the move anyway. If it does fire, I'm on the move anyway, unless I'm already behind cover. So my choice is to go with my primary if at all possible. Still, your reasoning is sound if that's what you're most comfortable with.
I disagree! When you live in a state that limits your rounds, 2 guns is not the solution. While pistols do jam, carrying a pistol that has a high jam rate, is foolish. Carrying a gun that is reliable is important. I do shoot a lot, but none of my carry-guns jam.
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I like your logic on wheel gun vs 2nd magazine Doc, but I went a step further. I got a wheel gun in 9mm, so ammo for my SA is interchangeable. That way, if a mag fails, the ammo is still usable, and is a fairly easy xfer from the magazine to revolver like the Pez Dispenser in days of old. Also, stocking one caliber of ammo for two guns, and I've found 9mm more available & cheaper than .38.
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Check out any random 50 videos on the ASP (Active Self Protection) channel. You'll see that while cops sometimes do full mag dumps followed by a clumsy reload, and then another full mag dump, and maybe another reload, without hitting anything, a private citizen defender on the other hand practically never reloads because the fight is decided before he runs out of ammo. A very rare exception to that is when the defender is carrying a damned 5-shot snubbie.
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I am a rookie UA-camr. I can tell because I obviously made a video that went way over your head...and that's on me, as a rookie, LOL!! So the point I tried to make, but you clearly didn't understand is that there are many highly probable self-defense shooting scenarios in which you would be way better served by having a revolver than a semiautomatic pistol, so why limit yourself. I realize that you are super knowledgeable and clearly know better than most Law Enforcement agencies that encourage their officers to carry a backup revolver....they have much to learn from your veteran knowledge. Here's a video that may help to bring you up to speed: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=D-VjYVsA_1C3N9pd
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First, as a citizen, there is less than .05 chance that you will use the extra mag to reload in a gunfight. Also to just in case of a malfunction. You are giving up a 10 to 20 round magazine for a 6 to 8 rounds revolver. Not to mention the optics for a district attorney.
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When I travel with my loaded S&W 357 magnum, I also carry two loaded speed loaders. When I travel with my loaded H&K 45acp, I also carry two extra loaded 12-round magazines. The loaded firearm is probably all I need for one encounter. However, I feel better prepared for multiple attackers and/or multiple encounters with the extra ammo. I also like to travel with a 38 special and two loaded speed strips as backup for my 357 magnum. For my semiautomatic, I like to travel with a backup 7-shot 45acp with two extra loaded 7-round magazines.
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I think this is poorly thought out. You can much more easily carry extra mags than extra guns. Some people carry two extra mags. Two extra guns? Which is quicker? I could see an extra gun being slower but I would have to test that to be sure. Here in Massachusetts it’s actually illegal to carry an extra gun but I suspect that’s unconstitutional.
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The reason is justified but some of us still carry spare mag even with two guns. I did it because the old habit from the time I, was undercover in Sudan during my service years in the military.
I carry a spare 15 rounder for my SIG, and I for sure carry a spare for my 1911, either on a horizontal belt holster. And don't ever carry yours in your pocket or purse if you're a woman. I almost NEVER go without the extra. I don't WANT to need it, but I'm hoping not to get cancer, either. So I'm doing what I can now to try to protect against either situation.
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I've carried spare mags on me for 60 years. Had countless encounters with dangerous people, animals and situations where it probably saved my bacon. You Sir apparently lead a staid existence.
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I carry 2 6 shot revolvers (and speed strips). The same model, both with lasers. The same manual of arms for both. Same grip, same trigger, same everything. Just draw and pull the trigger. One is always positioned to be accessible by both hands (cross draw or ankle).
Sorry bro, there are too many instances of cops firing 20-40 rounds at an INDIVIDUAL and hitting nothing but air! Once you're body is flush with fear based adrenaline, those 6 double action rounds from a "backup" gun have a higher chance of getting you holed than getting you home! And you may want to stop carrying your spare mag loose in your jeans pocket due to pocket lint and/ or unpredictable mag orientations when trying to reload. A nice double mag holster opposite your carry side is my prescription! Then you can STILL have your Kimber in the pocket, in case of malfunction. My .02, YMMV!
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Just being honest, I 100% carry an extra magazine in case I need more ammo. I have a 15 round in the gun, 17 round spare. Granted, having a backup in case of a malfunction is a plus. To carry a whole second gun, to me is wild to think about. At that point, I just accept my fate. But to each their own. Interesting take on a common conversation which is cool. Need more viewpoints in these discussions.
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I didn’t carry a spare for years until things started getting really bad. Where I thought that I may be hung out somewhere and have to defend myself to get home. You should carry spare mags in your pack and spare ammo just in case.
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In ‘74 I ran out of ammo after reloading my issued revolver during a gunfight w/armed robbery suspects. Obviously I came out ahead, and in retirement I always have spare ammo on my person given that experience.
For me personally I don’t think either way is wrong. It’s really up to preference. I carry either a Nighthawk CCO in 45 acp 8+1 in the gun and a spare in my back pocket, my other carry gun is staccato C-2 9mm with 16+1 in the gun and a spare in the back pocket for another 16. This world is getting nuttier by the minute so I say just make sure you are carrying and if you haven’t done so get some professional training to take your skill to the next level! Rick
A spare magazine is for 2 purposes, 1 is a malfunction and 2 is to reload when you think the fight is over. I will continue to carry a spare magazine as I have for the last 45 years of carrying professionally. I can reload faster than I can transition to another pistol.
I believe it.
A spare mag is to KEEP YOU IN THE FIGHT, weather you run dry or malfunction, in the fight! One purpose only... No other reason....we re not at the range.
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I don’t have time for all of this bullshït. Begging to follow and comment while spouting the most ridiculous bullshït I’ve ever ears. Good luck blue. Wish I could block you. I’m out.
No one ever said after a gunfight I'm glad I didn't have more ammo."
@@eugenepearson4467 Yes, but the likelihood that you will need to reload in a self defense shooting is virtually zero, however, the benefits to carrying a revolver and a semiautomatic pistol are more likely to make the difference of life or death. Hence, the main point of this video: there are some situations that a revolver can handle way better than a semiautomatic and vice versa.
Many self defense shootings start out as physical altercations, a revolver will not go out of battery if pressed in direct contact with your assailant. Also, you may not have the luxury of a good shooting stance or grip, in fact, you may be lying on your back and a revolver will never fail because of “limp wresting,” which will turn your semiautomatic into a one shot only gun. These are just two of several reasons that you will thank G-d that you have a revolver on you.
On the other hand, when shooting at distance, or in a “mall shooting type of scenario,” the semiautomatic with the most rounds possible, and an optic, a flashlight, a laser, and/or whatever gizmo you prefer and train with is king.
In addition, unless you are planning on reloading your revolver, it requires minimal additional training.
This is the thinking that helped me arrive at my decision. Thank you for your comment.
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@DrTac
3 in 482 according to one study. That includes the .32 Revolver used to kill the 600 lb Lion.
How many have you talked tto
I don’t agree with that ideology. Being a retired police and worked patrol for 36 years, I’ll continue to carry my additional magazine. People need to carry what they’re more comfortable with and to carry another fire is to much extra weigh. So train the way you’ll feel more comfortable doing.
The Agency I retired from after only 32 years, LOL, issued full size Glocks for primary sidearms and S&W Model 642
revolvers with ankle holsters as backups& the weight of the lightweight frame .38 Spl isn't even noticeable...
I don’t know about the weight thing. Unloaded, my EDC doesn’t weigh much. It’s the 13 rounds in the gun that make it heavy. I don’t actually think a second gun would be much more weight than a second gun. I think concealment of a second gun might be more difficult than concealment of only one gun, but it might be worth it.
@@666devilknight I carry my 4” M&P compact with a 15+1 and a 17 round magazine, I also carry a 4” knife and tourniquet, along my cell phone, wallet and keys. My truck/suv setup is totally different. But walking around I make sure I’m not putting and carry appendix.
G21 Loaded - 40 oz
+ Extra 13 round - 52 oz
G30S 10 rd Loaded - 31 oz
+LCP 6 rd Loaded - 43 oz
+Extra 9 Rd G30S Mag - 52 oz
It's up to you what works for you. I had rather have my primary, but having options is a good thing.
I'm also a retired police officer. I carry a full-size Beretta 92F, a spare magazine, AND a S&W J-frame as a backup (ankle holster, WITH spare ammo). There's not just the semiauto's magazine or ammo failure to consider; there's also the possibility of that primary gun breaking or being taken away. And if you've never had a gun break, you haven't fired enough.
Im from Chicago i carry 3-15rd mags, and a pocket .380 with 6+1. Criminals in Chicago carry 30+ with Glock Switches.
Yeah, I’m from Baltimore…I get you brother.
Mettc ftw
I'm from Baltimore as well. Right now, I carry 1 spare 20rd mag with 20+1 in the firearm. I've been thinking about getting the S&W bodyguard 2.0 along with an NAA sidewinder. Also, I've been thinking about appendix carrying a Sig XMacro with a flux raider chassis since they make a holster for it, might be too much as an EDC tho lol.
😂🤣😂🤣
Why don't you move to a low crime area? If you have to carry that much hardware you're not living right.
Ok. Now you’ve convinced me to carry a semiauto, a spare mag, AND a snubnose.
Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!
Yep, LCR as my main with the LCP max as my backup.
@stephenhuang
G21.4 Strongside
G30S Crossdraw Weakside
Utility Belt with 6 - 13 rd Glock G21/G30 Mags
Beretta 1301 Tactical with Bandolier of Slugs and Buckshot.
Turn on Floodlights and Cameras.
Okay, I think I'm ready to let my 140 lb Russian Terrier out in the backyard for a potty break now.
Sarcasm , I'm guessing ?
@@stephenhuang Good ideas!
So, to be clear, we're trading a 15+ round spare mag for 6 or less AND giving up more pocket space? I don't see that as advantageous.
Also, an NY Reload is not significantly faster than a mag change if you train, and the miniscule time savings is not worth having 10 less rounds.
One other point to consider is modern crime - a lot of our new bad guys don't act alone. They roll up 3 or 4 deep and I'd much rather have those 28+ rounds than a snubby for a second gun and no reloads.
@@Toms2ATime I see value in both viewpoints. I have had a pistol disassemble itself when the slide lock spring broke.
@gk5891 I wouldn't consider the pistol blowing up as a factor in what I choose to carry. That happens less than .001% of the time, so it doesn't even enter into the equation for me - if it did, I would also have to consider the multiple cylinder springs or pawls I've seen fail in the field, but I don't.
@@Toms2ATime I'll keep the LCP in the hip pocket anyway. As well as regularly changing the slide lock spring even though Glock has upgraded it.
If they roll up 3 or 4 deep and already have their guns pointed at your head, it doesnt really matter what you have at that point.
@jaycamacho8179
Claymore seems to work.
I will continue to carry 2 spare mags. No one ever complained of two much ammo but, there sure as hell have been a lot of people who complained of not enough ammo. You do you my friend and I'll do me!
I've carried 2 for the past 30 yrs.
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Extra ammo is like a condom probably won't need it but if you need it you'll be mad you don't have it
LOL, thank you for that comment!!
@DrTac lol I carry an X Macro, so I have 18 rounds, and I carry an extra mag in my change pocket and I have my 9mm pcc in my truck safe full medical on the back of the seats I'm all about having more them I'll ever need rather than need something I don't have and covid changed some of my preparation habits
@@Mark-wq1nh You may want to add a revolver into your set up...the bottom line is, there are some things that a revolver can do that a semi auto can't. Check this video out: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=acGyy8LSU2AV6Hk-
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Eight minutes to say the "New York reload" is faster than swapping a mag.
Or clearing a jam.
@@mdubb4855 I tested that a few days ago. Clearing the jam was much faster than switching guns.
If your New York reload is faster, you're doing things wrong. I'm not going to say, a speed reload is always faster, but it's not always slower. In reality, it's probably about the same amount of time, give or take. In any event, if your pistol is down regardless if it is dry at slide lock or experiencing a malfunction, you should be getting behind some kind of cover, as you initiate getting your pistol back up in the fight.
You saved me 7’ 52” of my life.
@@mdubb4855 Since when does changing a magazine avoid having to clear a jam?
He is COMPLETELY wrong about this.
Sooo. In which direction are you suggesting he completely wrong ?
Not having extra Mag in addition to BUG ?
Having a BUG at all ?
I wouldn’t go quite as far as the OP. As an average individual, my opinion is that each person needs to choose their tools that work best for them and train with that system. For many, it comes down to a balance between affordability, reliability and effectiveness. For me, it’s going to be more economical to carry a spare magazine or two than buying another firearm. JMHO…
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@@DrTac Backup gun is good. But you can never draw the backup gun as fast as an emergency reload. It's the wrong reason not to have a back up magazine.
“I don’t carry a magazine because of the pocket space… Let me carry an extra gun with less ammo…”
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My spare mag sits nicely in its sidecar attached to my holster inside my waistband, concealed and out of the way... I honestly don't see how getting rid of that and putting a revolver in my pocket is the better option. Not for me anyway, but to each their own, just as long as they are carrying. 👍
Getting rid of the spare mag is not really what the video was about...it's about the benefits of also having a revolver on you, since there are situations that it can solve considerably better than a semi-auto, regardless of how many rounds you carry. Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=eIlldWSMKq8B0fLE
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I carry a Kel-Tec P-32 on my ankle as a backup, along with an extra magazine. I know exactly what you mean. I once had a pistol jam due to a broken spring in the magazine, which caused a round to get stuck in the chamber. I needed tools to clear it, and in a fight, having extra magazines wouldn't have helped. A spare gun is a smart idea-even a North American Arms Sidewinder is better than having nothing at all.
I’m a firm believer in caring 2 spare Mags for my primary and a spare back up gun.
It’s comforting to me…
Good choice . 👌
Just a thought..... If you ever have to use that gun and end up before a jury of your peers. No matter how many rounds you fire (statistically it will be two or three), the jury is going to hear, "This cowboy carries TWO guns!"
Just say you carry what police officers are authorized to carry.
There are people who only carry one gun?
You just tell them it was doctors orders!
In case the bad guy forgot to bring one?
Hahahaha!
Ah, so the important thing is to "end up before a jury of your peers," vs ending up carried by your loved ones, serving as pallbearers....just sayin'...
Always carry a spare mag or two
Definitely better than not having any type of back up.
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Agreed and be well versed in correcting a mal-function (i.e. pistol/ammo),
I'm in North Texas and I carry a Glock 26 with a 19 round spare magazine.......AND a 642 j-frame revolver with 2 speed loader reloads. I want to be prepared as best I can should something get going around me.
And in the vein of preparedness, do you also have a truck gun? These days I feel I should
Interesting points, but as a retired Marine with 26 years of active duty and 4 combat tours you could NEVER have enough ammo. I don’t leave me house with less than 3/15 round mags. To each their own.
Carrying a second firearm is a very solid choice, and revolver would be my choice.
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No way can reloading a mag be faster than replacing one. Ok, for me. I'll carry the spare.
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If you live or visit somewhere that requires you to carry more than 1 spare reload you should seriously reconsider your choices!
Spot on! People start to carry in case of a mugger and end up equipping themselves to take down a drug kingpin’s HQ in a pitched battle. They take to heart the (well-intentioned) advice of 30-year police officers whose job/intent to carry was totally different. When I was young n the military, I ended up in a battle once. We solved the problem by leaving. Didn’t fire a shot. I hope people who start to carry won’t forget, when the critical time comes, all the swerving, ducking for cover, and generally running away that are part of it.
REASONS TO NOT DO THIS
- Most never get the amount of training or proper training to be proficient with both pistol and revolver to where they'd be successful in a gun fight
- 12 + 5 is less than 12 + 12 (or 15 or 20) in the spare magazine
- 1 or 2 full spare magazines weigh less than most loaded J frame and other compact revolvers.
- in most cases you be able to draw the spare magazine and reload faster than drawing a revolver from on pocket or deep concealment rig
- have any of you tried drawing a backup gun on the move?
Or in between moving and getting to cover? Most backup gun carry locations are conducive to that or being in various shooting positions that you might end up in.
If you carry a backup gun, if should be of the same exact trigger action and manual of arms as your primary. Preferably takes the same magazine. Preferably same manufacturer and everything else except for size.
Note:
This is not something to mess around or come up with a "good idea."
Go to several top shelf multi day shooting schools from the top providers.
This is life and death stuff.
I totally get where you’re coming from, but where I think the disconnect here is, is that you need to appreciate the distinction between the armed citizen who conceal carries vs law-enforcement/military. The primary duty of a citizen in a self-defense situation is to get themselves and their loved ones out of that situation, while the primary duty of law enforcement/military is to run towards trouble and engage. Yet, even in law-enforcement/military, where it makes the most sense to maximize the number of rounds available to them, many carry a back up revolver.
I am not advocating minimizing training with this next statement, just acknowledging reality: A revolver requires significantly less training because of the simplicity of its manual of arms. Again, to be clear, a snub nose revolver chambered in a relatively powerful caliber can be quite difficult to shoot, and should be trained on, but as far as it’s basic operation, it does not require near the amount of training, that is necessary for a semi automatic.
Another consideration needs to be the fact that carrying two very different types of guns provides you with exponentially more options. I would strongly encourage you to check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=YrsOodS5A7US4RAx
Again, I’m not disagreeing with some of your solid points, more ammo is better than less and maintaining a consistent battery of arms makes a lot of sense. However, PURPOSE OF USE must be considered, and these benefits that you recommend are highly useful to law-enforcement/military, but practically speaking, are of less value to the armed citizen and provides them with less options.
I’ll just close with this point: there is a very good reason that many law-enforcement officers, both on and off duty, carry back up revolvers along with their semi autos.
I appreciate your well thought out comment.
@JPetersenJohnMiltonPetersonIII You just gave the best reason to carry a revolver and ditch the auto.
"- Most never get the amount of training or proper training to be proficient with both pistol and revolver to where they'd be successful in a gun fight"
Revolvers are safer, more reliable, and easier to operate and train with and less that can go wrong. I would rather have six rounds guaranteed than one guaranteed and 14 possible from any number of problems that can happen with the auto or mag. Except for gangland high crime areas with multiple threats, most gunfights last five seconds. That is the reality that lots of folks are out of touch with. No one is going to get through a mag or cylinder let alone have time to reload in five seconds. We had better be more concerned with accuracy than capacity because accuracy under stress is more important. I carry both autos and revolvers depending on seasonal time of year and although I do shoot autos well, I shoot revolvers better.
@@DrTac
Some of us have both taught to everyone of these audiences as well as worked in them AND taught at two of our countries top and most reputable academies for self defense training for US citizens. So some of us know this realm inside and out, with every single one of these issues and concerned already addressed decades ago. There's nothing new or revolutionary at all in these videos (its all about the clicks). Thusly, It might be better to listen to the voice of experience before putting out information that could get someone else killed.
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You are 100% correct. Carrying two guns that take the same mags and function the same way makes the most sense. Most of the time that's what I carry. On the occasions that my backup doesn't take the same mags as my primary, I carry extra mags for my spare and it functions similarly as my primary. The safeties will function similarly and the magazine drops will be similar. If you carry guns that the safety switches on/off very differently you can mess up easily in a stressful situation.
Well that's 8+ minutes of my life I'll never get back
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As a patient with gunsahalic, I want a second option
Thanks for the vid, Dr.
It's called a NY reload, and I figured that's where you were going.
It is considered advantageous for when under attack, or stopping an attack on someone else. you can hand your backup to a compadre.
You seemed a little bit nervous, but hang in there and you'll be at 10K sooner than you think.
Godspeed!
People please dont listen to what anyone says about why they dont carry an extra mag. The same rule for needing and not having applies We dont wear seatbelts because we think were gonna die but to be covered incase of an accident.
*To keep from getting a ticket...
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Revolvers have always been my preference. However, I also acknowledge the numerous advantages of a semiautomatic. As for the "less than reliable" bit, I'll say that modern semiautomatics are head and shoulders above where they used to be. Read the guru comments from 60's and 70's magazines, and you'll see the comments about needed "break-in" periods for all semiautomatics (to the tune of 3 to 5 hundred rounds!!!). While much better than ever before, it's my personnel belief that every semiautomatic should be given a break-in period before relying on it. This is helpful because it helps identify any magazine issues, and helps settle the parts into a stable relationship with each other, and identifies any gun issues that may be present requiring a trip back to the maker or to the gunsmith. As for the reliability, again, it's long been known that any feeding or ejection issues should ALWAYS start with a close look at the magazines since that is a known source of reliability issues. I've handled more than one semiautomatic that suddenly started to behave when a different magazine was used.
But back to your reasoning - I actually think you have a good idea.
Thank you, brother. I appreciate the comment.
Just for the record - I've seen revolvers jam up - and they were impossible to clear in the field! The lockwork of a revolver is complicated and the smallest grain of sand can turn the best revolver into a paperweight. Jus sayin....
@@007Chancellor True. Old school LEOs carried 2 always.Full size, and Snubbie.
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If I carry a second gun. Then it will be the same as the first one with one or two extra magazines. This is the gun you train with for an emergency. Why try to use 2 different firearms. But it really boils down to what makes each person the safest. That being said I will buy a duplicate gun of the one I carry now and thanks for the tips. At least you allowed me to rethink what's best for me.
@@anthonymitchell6831 To answer your question, “Why try to use 2 different firearms?” Well, let me just say, that was actually the whole point of this video: there are some situations that a revolver can handle way better than a semiautomatic and vice versa.
Many self defense shootings start out as physical altercations, a revolver will not go out of battery if pressed in direct contact with your assailant. Also, you may not have the luxury of a good shooting stance or grip, in fact, you may be lying on your back and a revolver will never fail because of “limp wresting,” which will turn your semiautomatic into a one shot only gun. These are just two of several reasons that you will thank G-d that you have a revolver on you.
On the other hand, when shooting at distance, or in a “mall shooting type of scenario,” the semiautomatic with the most rounds possible, and an optic, a flashlight, a laser, and/or whatever gizmo you prefer and train with is king.
In addition, unless you are planning on reloading your revolver, it requires minimal additional training.
This is the thinking that helped me arrive at my decision. Thank you for your comment.
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Very thought provoking video.
I live in the D. (Detroit)
Some areas of the D are like living in the Wild Wild West!
It is what it is.
Although I don't hang out in area that are known for criminal activity....
Stuff/life happens! Therefore, I carry a semi auto with two spare mags,
a backup 380 or revolver and a less lethal option for those just in case
situations. But hey, that me. We all have to do what we think is in the best
interest of ourselves and loved ones.
Stay safe and healthy.
Peace
I'm thinking you may want to rethink this. Carry both guns / carry extra mags - get ankle holsters and mag holders. This climate is only getting worse. I will assume you have a truck gun. Don't stop carrying that in your car/truck either.
At the 5:25 time mark, the commentator pointed the LOADED revolver at his own hand. JMHO but unsafe handling of a loaded firearm disqualifies a person from teaching others about firearms use or giving advice about firearms.
Have always carried a spare
magazine i an IWB magazine carrier. This leaves pocket space for other things. And due to the car jacking spree(s) of a few years ago in Chi'town: I akso carry a revolver in an ankle holster. Better to have it and not beed it than need it and not have it.
You carry a spare mag to carry 147 gr hard cast lead rounds to go through windshields or through a 400 lb attacker wearing a leather jacket and hoodie. Your hp won’t do shit in these circumstances.
@joerogan5433 A lot of cheap hollowpoints will plug and not expand under those circumstances.
@@gk5891 yeah and they’re break apart. Try busting up a master lock with any hp. Your logic on not carrying a spare mag is quite specious.
@joerogan5433 I think you confused me with someone else. I never said anything about not carrying a spare mag.
I was simply referring to the comment about a leather coat and hoodie. That normally will at least delay expansion resulting in increased penetration. Usually the most difficult situation to get adequate penetration is bare skin because of early and rapid expansion to a larger diameter.
As to hard surface performance, that depends on the JHP design. A traditional cup and core or a traditional fmj will swage the core out. Many modern bonded JHP designs do much better against surfaces like glass in testing.
Anything that feeds reliably in a good spare mag is better than the alternative.
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First, absolutely garbage recommendation that nobody should follow.
Second, after announcing your wheel gun was loaded, you went on to flag yourself.
Finally, there is nothing doctor or tactical about any of this.
You're right...you clearly know so much more than pretty much any major police agency. All those silly uninformed police officers carrying backup revolvers could learn so much from your trolling wisdom.
My friend, lots of people in the early phase of their learning curve didn't understand the main point of the video, but most of them were smart enough not to announce it, LOL!!
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You're welcome.
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Geeze, I’m shocked at the hate in the comments. Your vid was a good “thought piece.” Brainstorming is important whether or not the ideas end up being used.
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I am a retired LEO and agree with you about the purpose of a spare mag. The second gun is faster than a reload. An old NYPD legend, Jim Cerillo of Stake Out Squad fame used 2 revolvers back in the day. Hence the term, a New York reload was born.
First of all thank you for your service. Second of all, I appreciate you sharing your opinion on the back up gun. Thirdly, thank you for the historical perspective…I’ve certainly heard the term, but I always thought it had a gang origin. I like and appreciate the term way more, now knowing its actual background.
You must do some slow reloads
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Cirillo also had at least one other guy with him, sometimes more. And was in a prepared position, waiting for the thugs to show up.
He said in "Tales of the Stakeout Squad" that they used the M1 carbine pretty extensively.
Not a lot of overlap with people who have to go about normal life.
@@stevenscott2136 They used 12 gauges also quite a bit.
I carry a backup gun and two additional 20 round magazines for my primary pistol. This is the first time I ever heard of having to decide between a backup pistol and extra magazines for your primary. I don't feel like it takes up too much space or anything. And besides, if you do have to change a magazine, because of a jam, which I never heard of, you still have to unjam it even if you pop out one magazine to pop in another. I don't see how you are avoiding unjamming the gun by swapping magazines.
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The Agency I retired from issued full size Glocks for primary sidearms and S&W Model 642 revolvers with ankle holsters as backup & I find that combo still serves my needs well.
I spend a LOT of time driving & drawing from strong side hip while seated behind the steering wheel, especially if wearing a seatbelt, is slow, awkward, & totally telegraphs the draw...while drawing from an ankle holster while in the driver's seat is smooth fast & unexpected....& if I ever have to go into a place where concealment is a priority, I can always leave the full size primary locked in my vehicle gun safe & easily conceal the snub-nosed Mod 642 in a pocket...
Interesting way to go. You have me thinking about it too.
If you run dry or are disarmed, a secondary makes lots of sense. However, I don’t see any reason why the LCP MAX or S&W Bodyguard 2.0 wouldn’t fill the role better with 10 rounds in a lighter gun.
If you already have a revolver, cool. My first gun was my 686, and want a 3-4” SP101 and that buttery coil-spring DA baaad.
But I want to try the new Smith auto for practicality.
So, the bottom line is that revolvers have things they do better than semiautos and vice versa, so it makes the most sense to have both😎. Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=YDnFOhj-NuoZTiU6
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“I don’t carry a spare magazine.”
*This guy is a moron*
“Instead I have another gun”
*I was quick to judge. He is a genius!*
😂
Yeah, but he did say "I don't have tons of pocket space and I'm not wearing a utility belt, so I'm only going to carry so much stuff on me."
I interpreted that as he doesn't have room in his pocket for a spare mag but he does have room for a spare pocket revolver? 🤣🤣
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Good point.
@@davidhudson2527good observation! A spare mag takes up less space than another pistol, period.
@@davidhudson2527 Well, he can carry the revolver in an ankle holster. Some folks carry a loaded handgun in their pants pockets without a holster. Never carry a loaded handgun in your pants pocket. All loaded handguns belong in a holster. However, there are some holsters that can fit in your pocket. BTW, I will continue to carry two spare mags instead of another gun.
Carry a glock with 2 extra 15 rnd. Mags
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I carry 3 extra mags for each Simi Auto and a revolver.
They should call you Dr Fauci because your reasoning makes just about as much sense honestly I've never heard anything so opposite of good advice gotta watch you don't get a malpractice suit started, How do you draw a wheel gun out of your pocket let's see if you're sitting down or even standing up I've been a two gun guy forever But my travels were an extreme crime areas I just don't think it's feasible But my primary care weapon is not a sub compact I won't ever carry a subcompact For me it doesn't qualify as a carry weapon self defense weapon And if you think weapons swap is quicker than changing Mags you need more practice changing mags Multitasking is the key Any special forces guy will tell you the same thing
I totally get where you’re coming from, but where I think the disconnect here is, is that you need to appreciate the distinction between the armed citizen who conceal carries vs law-enforcement/military. The primary duty of a citizen in a self-defense situation is to get themselves and their loved ones out of that situation, while the primary duty of law enforcement/military is to run towards trouble and engage. Yet, even in law-enforcement/military, where it makes the most sense to maximize the number of rounds available to them, many carry a back up revolver.
I am not advocating minimizing training with this next statement, just acknowledging reality: A revolver requires significantly less training because of the simplicity of its manual of arms. Again, to be clear, a snub nose revolver chambered in a relatively powerful caliber can be quite difficult to shoot, and should be trained on, but as far as it’s basic operation, it does not require near the amount of training, that is necessary for a semi automatic.
Another consideration needs to be the fact that carrying two very different types of guns provides you with exponentially more options. I would strongly encourage you to check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=YrsOodS5A7US4RAx
Again, I’m not disagreeing with some of your solid points, more ammo is better than less and maintaining a consistent battery of arms makes a lot of sense. However, PURPOSE OF USE must be considered, and these benefits that you recommend are highly useful to law-enforcement/military, but practically speaking, are of less value to the armed citizen and provides them with less options.
I’ll just close with this point: there is a very good reason that many law-enforcement officers, both on and off duty, carry back up revolvers along with their semi autos.
I appreciate your comment.
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You make a good case Doc, I've carried a bond arms Derringer for a backup piece for a few years and I think it's time to make a switch to a wheel gun.
This used to be called "a New York reload": many cops carry a 2nd gun and I agree that the time it takes to change mags, cycle the slide and get back in the game is significantly more than the time it takes to draw a 2nd weapon, especially a snubby revolver that can come out spitting. Ideal when both guns run the same cartridge, as your snubby can now use up extra rds in that jammed mag. I have a Springfield Hellcat (9mm) and a Taurus 9mm 5- shot snubby revolver. My "pair of 9s", that I am very satisfied with. When both are worn on the belt, it feels like a balanced load. The snubby is worn crossdraw, which allows for easy draw in a car or seated in a restaurant.
Remember kids, switching to your backup pistol is faster than reloading. Lol
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I don't know about this one watched that Chicago fireman lose his gunfight against multiple attackers, fireman had a revolver.
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Good points. Unfortunately I am too skinny for pocket carry. Even a 380 pea shooter sticks out like a sore thumb. I can see the benefit of a nice 5 shot 357 as a backup though.
This topic came up in a S&W FB page I was part of but the possibility of a malfunction wasn't the argument. I think malfunctions are a good argument and maybe having the ability to hand a gun to a friend...but why aren't they already carrying. (choose friends wisely. LOL) It was being argued that no one has ever done a mag change in a gun fight and is more likely to draw another gun. Statistically, I think gun fights are over in 7-8 rounds anyway so spare mag or 2nd gun is irrelevant but for me, spare mag makes sense, if strictly talking about running out of ammo. This was my reply: If it is easier to draw and transition to a 2nd gun, what do you
Do with the primary? It's not like a slung rifle. Are you tossing it or holstering it? If you
Toss it, it's now out of your possession and if you holster it, you're slowing down the process, especially if you're looking it in the holster. Plus, now your eyes are off the threat. For me, a mag change is Less complicated and less things to figure out.
Your 'what to do with the primary gun' is a question that I have to admit I had not considered. It's a great question and an excellent point. I think that I would discard it, since it is either empty or inoperable...but if possible, I would stuff it in a pocket.
Thank you for your comment. You have definitely given me something to think about.
Exactly! Quicker to do a mag change than to holster one pistol and then pull out the backup.
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The concept he explains is called "the New York reload"
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You don't have room for a second mag, but you got room for a second gun! It's not too hard to carry a second mag. You could carry a second mag & second gun! I don't know, I watch for entertainment only
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@@DrTac I take my self-defense seriously. I don't take advice I get from pewtub seriously!
This video is really a surprise, because I thought I was the only one that was doing this! Now I don’t know if I’m really saving much in terms of overall weight or space, but I have been thinking around the same lines. Rather than carrying a spare magazine why not carry a spare gun?
So up until just this morning actually, I have been carrying my EDC, which is a Sig Sauer P320 X 10 comp (still not a small gun by any means) and my Cimmeron Colt Thunderer 357 magnum revolver with a birds head grip along with a three and three-quarter inch barrel. The birds head grip actually makes for a very comfortable and easy conceal option.
Why does anyone give a tinkers damn that a gun was shown to be unloaded on a video that is already in the can and being watched on a phone. I mean, if you’re looking for the ultimate in firearms safety, it certainly doesn’t get any better than that! I don’t think anyone was ever shot, accidentally or on purpose, through a phone from a previous time.
@@NMranchhand because new shooters watch these videos and need to have gun safety drilled in. It’s not just about you.
Changing guns in the middle of a gunfight seems like one of the worst ideas ever. I train with a gun and I carry that gun and my mind and muscle memory actually doesn't care what the gun is, it just knows that it is the gun I trained with and I always know where all the moving parts are. and a spare mag isn't 6 more shots. It's 15 more shots - or 21 more shots. I don't think you're enticing subscribers with this idea.
So I’m afraid you may have missed the real point of the video. The fact of the matter is that as an armed conceal carry citizen, you have an obligation to get out of the fight, not into the fight. The chances of you needing to reload are very very low, but the chances of being in a physical altercation that your gun can save you from, statistically speaking, are significantly higher. At the end of the day, revolvers can do some things better than semi-autos and vice versa (check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=vk1Vq-2_b4trTITW), So it’s foolish not to train with both and have both. The visual of throwing away your spare mag is done in tongue and cheek… You are still allowed to carry a spare mag if it makes you feel better😉, But why handicap yourself by limiting your choices to only one type of gun?
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This makes total sense to me and I don't why it doesn't to others.
Ditto. I keep scrolling to see if any cops chime in to share that they carry a back-up, so 2 guns.
I agree with the idea of carrying a revolver instead of the extra mag, 100%. Unfortunately, I don’t currently own one. I’ve shot plenty of them though and it should be standard carry practice. I’m also from the oppressed city of Baltimore within Marylandistan, so your opinion sings to me. I’m simply in the process of building my arsenal since it’s only been a couple of years since our state has been forced to even appear to be apart of the USA. I have some catching up to do. I value your opinion and I like your channel. Keep up the fine work.
Thank you, my fellow Baltimorian. I feel your pain!!
Be sure to check your laws. In some states you can only carry one.
You have a ball doing you, Dr. Testicle, but I'll carry my extra mag. My wife and son carry too, and there are plenty around the house.
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I understand the perspective, however to me, it doesn't make sense. In a high stress situation, muscle memory of key. You lose fine motor skills. So why would I throw in an entirely new gun, new feel, new manual of arms in the midst of a situation where I'm already at a disadvantage mental. I do like the idea of being able to pass it to another person, but I think that's probably a less likely scenario than me needing to clear a malfunction.
I respect your opinion, but I must disagree.
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I'll keep the spare magazine instead of carrying a spare pistol I just don't see the advantage in carrying another pistol that's a revolver over a extra magazine
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Have fun trying to get that revolver out of your pocket with all 5 rounds, a crap trigger trying to hit anything vs a fast magazine reload with a gun you are familiar with. Might as well go full fudd , carry a 1911 and use an M14 rifle.
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Rational carry decisions are about risk management. How much is enough depends on how much risk you are comfortable assuming. The odds of a civilian (like me) needing a reload are so infinitesimally small I am comfortable carrying only 6 rounds.
It's called a "New York Reload" It's an emergency reload that just so happens to have a small revolver wrapped around it.
There's a lotta zombies out there,and I don't wanna get caught short.🤔
I get the argument for a BUG, I don’t have the space to easily carry one and even though I’m sure I could figure out a carry system for it, I can count on one hand the number of malfunctions I’ve had with centerfield semi-auto pistols in my life and I shoot a lot. I do carry a spare mag most of the time, I wear cargo shorts a lot and have a cell phone pocket in the front of the cargo pockets on them, the off side one is the perfect spot for a spare mag, if it’s cold enough for long pants, jackets always have a spare pocket and many have a cell phone pocket that does the same thing.
I don't really think of the revolver as just a BUG. Revolvers and semiautos are each good for different scenarios, and having the right tool for a specific situation can be the difference between life and death!! Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/V0Pq35YFFiQ/v-deo.htmlsi=YDnFOhj-NuoZTiU6
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I carry spare magazines and a backup gun. The idea that the purpose of a spare magazine is for malfunctions is ludicrous. A backup gun is for malfunction. A spare mag is for more bullets. Sometimes, there is more than one assailant, and sometimes you can get in a prolonged exchange. You can't predict the future so you should prepare for the various possibilities. Most of the time my spare gun, while smaller than my primary, takes the mags as my primary. So I have additional ammo for whichever gun I end up using.
If this is the case, choose the .357 COP pepperbox derringer as the backup gun. Sealed construction, four shots with more power than the primary and same sight radius as the revolver. So simple that if it jams then you weren’t meant to win that day.
I carry two extra ten round mags for my g43x. I do wear a utility belt, have a good holster and wear it all comfortably. What I will never do is carry any firearm in a pocket that may be hard to reach in an emergency as well as the added danger of a negligent discharge in a tense situation.
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Well, you convinced me to carry a backup. I'll pay attention to whether of not my extra mag makes me feel overloaded. If I have to give up one or the other, I'll give up the extra mag.
Having extra ammo for a pistol is like extra fuel in an airplane. The only time you have too much is when your on fire!...
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Read at least 20 of the comments and not one person has mentioned what they do if their primary has a catastrophic failure or they lose it, be it taken away or dropped if they get hit. I normally carry dog spray in my left pocket and more lethal on my strong side. I look at things through the more through the lens of an outdoorsman, but my step dad was a deputy, who carried a back-up. How many hunters in bear territory carry a rifle and a back-up revolver? A: A lot. How many cops carry a back-up? A: A lot. This makes a lot of sense to me.
For myself, what and how I carrying is highly situational. When I'm home or on my own property and doing work I carry a revolver or semi-auto pistol with no reloads. If I'll have to be in a crowdy location or if I have to jump in my car and go pick up groceries, I carry my snub-nose or a compact semi-auto pistol, no reloads usually. If I'm travelling - especially across states I first make sure what I carry is complaint with ALL the states I drive through and I usually also carry extra reloads, and occasionally even an extra pistol. Also, even though the state I live in has a constitutional carry law, I keep my Carry Concealed Weapon permit current and I carry concealed 90% of the time (even at home) and never off-body. Do what you're comfortable with and don't ever be afraid to explore additional options.
No. If I'm getting into it I do not want to have my wife a six shooter I don't want them to be under gunned. I disagree with him 100%
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Yeah. It’s probably the best solution. Just carry two guns. I sometimes carry two small guns. Other times I carry one big one. I go back and forth. Thanks for the video.
So what's the "N.Y.reload" I see in the comments? Is it carrying 2 guns?
Yes. And it started when all cops could carry was a revolver. Now that we have autos and can carry an extra mag a NY Reload is rediculous.
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I ll never change, magazines can have issues too. Throw in your spare and get busy
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Interesting and valid points. I typically carry an extra mag, a flashlight, and a tactical fixed blade. If I'm going into a part of town that's more shady, I'll carry a backup revolver. If I'm traveling, I'll also keep a long gun with extra mags for it in my truck. I guess there's no wrong answer as long as you have an extra source and are trained. It's a matter of preference, but for me, there has to be a point where you trust your tools.
I carry a Wilson Combat EDCX9 as my EDC. I've put it through a lot in training and never once had a single issue whatsoever through thousands of rounds and dirt, grime, and fouling. I trust it with my life, literally. If, by the unlikely event, it goes click when it should've gone bang, I'll do immediate action. If that doesn't work, I'll do whatever the situation dictates, whether close with the target and engage hand to hand or seek cover and clear the stoppage and get back in the fight. Whether I have one gun or two, if my primary doesn't fire when it's supposed to, I'm going to be on the move anyway. If it does fire, I'm on the move anyway, unless I'm already behind cover. So my choice is to go with my primary if at all possible. Still, your reasoning is sound if that's what you're most comfortable with.
I disagree! When you live in a state that limits your rounds, 2 guns is not the solution. While pistols do jam, carrying a pistol that has a high jam rate, is foolish. Carrying a gun that is reliable is important. I do shoot a lot, but none of my carry-guns jam.
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I like your logic on wheel gun vs 2nd magazine Doc, but I went a step further. I got a wheel gun in 9mm, so ammo for my SA is interchangeable. That way, if a mag fails, the ammo is still usable, and is a fairly easy xfer from the magazine to revolver like the Pez Dispenser in days of old. Also, stocking one caliber of ammo for two guns, and I've found 9mm more available & cheaper than .38.
Ex security officer here , and I never carry A spare mag. I always carry 2.
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Check out any random 50 videos on the ASP (Active Self Protection) channel. You'll see that while cops sometimes do full mag dumps followed by a clumsy reload, and then another full mag dump, and maybe another reload, without hitting anything, a private citizen defender on the other hand practically never reloads because the fight is decided before he runs out of ammo. A very rare exception to that is when the defender is carrying a damned 5-shot snubbie.
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He sounds like a Rookie. Carry 3 extra mags. And a Knife. That’s why there are magazine pouches for.
I am a rookie UA-camr. I can tell because I obviously made a video that went way over your head...and that's on me, as a rookie, LOL!!
So the point I tried to make, but you clearly didn't understand is that there are many highly probable self-defense shooting scenarios in which you would be way better served by having a revolver than a semiautomatic pistol, so why limit yourself.
I realize that you are super knowledgeable and clearly know better than most Law Enforcement agencies that encourage their officers to carry a backup revolver....they have much to learn from your veteran knowledge.
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First, as a citizen, there is less than .05 chance that you will use the extra mag to reload in a gunfight. Also to just in case of a malfunction. You are giving up a 10 to 20 round magazine for a 6 to 8 rounds revolver. Not to mention the optics for a district attorney.
So, NY reload?
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I have started carrying a extra mag more frequently due to higher numbers of group crimes.
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When I travel with my loaded S&W 357 magnum, I also carry two loaded speed loaders.
When I travel with my loaded H&K 45acp, I also carry two extra loaded 12-round magazines.
The loaded firearm is probably all I need for one encounter. However, I feel better prepared for multiple attackers and/or multiple encounters with the extra ammo.
I also like to travel with a 38 special and two loaded speed strips as backup for my 357 magnum.
For my semiautomatic, I like to travel with a backup 7-shot 45acp with two extra loaded 7-round magazines.
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I think this is poorly thought out. You can much more easily carry extra mags than extra guns. Some people carry two extra mags. Two extra guns? Which is quicker? I could see an extra gun being slower but I would have to test that to be sure. Here in Massachusetts it’s actually illegal to carry an extra gun but I suspect that’s unconstitutional.
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You do you. I on the other hand will continue to be well armed and supplied with extra mags.
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The reason is justified but some of us still carry spare mag even with two guns. I did it because the old habit from the time I, was undercover in Sudan during my service years in the military.
Thanks for sharing your opinion…🤔but I disagree
I carry a spare 15 rounder for my SIG, and I for sure carry a spare for my 1911, either on a horizontal belt holster. And don't ever carry yours in your pocket or purse if you're a woman.
I almost NEVER go without the extra. I don't WANT to need it, but I'm hoping not to get cancer, either. So I'm doing what I can now to try to protect against either situation.
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I've carried spare mags on me for 60 years. Had countless encounters with dangerous people, animals and situations where it probably saved my bacon. You Sir apparently lead a staid existence.
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Something to mull over ..
I carry 2 6 shot revolvers (and speed strips). The same model, both with lasers. The same manual of arms for both. Same grip, same trigger, same everything. Just draw and pull the trigger. One is always positioned to be accessible by both hands (cross draw or ankle).
Bro, you just said it's loaded, and you let your finger slip into the trigger guard. That's how shit happens safety safety safety😮
Sorry bro, there are too many instances of cops firing 20-40 rounds at an INDIVIDUAL and hitting nothing but air! Once you're body is flush with fear based adrenaline, those 6 double action rounds from a "backup" gun have a higher chance of getting you holed than getting you home! And you may want to stop carrying your spare mag loose in your jeans pocket due to pocket lint and/ or unpredictable mag orientations when trying to reload. A nice double mag holster opposite your carry side is my prescription! Then you can STILL have your Kimber in the pocket, in case of malfunction. My .02, YMMV!
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Just being honest, I 100% carry an extra magazine in case I need more ammo.
I have a 15 round in the gun, 17 round spare.
Granted, having a backup in case of a malfunction is a plus.
To carry a whole second gun, to me is wild to think about. At that point, I just accept my fate.
But to each their own. Interesting take on a common conversation which is cool. Need more viewpoints in these discussions.
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I didn’t carry a spare for years until things started getting really bad. Where I thought that I may be hung out somewhere and have to defend myself to get home.
You should carry spare mags in your pack and spare ammo just in case.
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In ‘74 I ran out of ammo after reloading my issued revolver during a gunfight w/armed robbery suspects. Obviously I came out ahead, and in retirement I always have spare ammo on my person given that experience.
Makes sense to me.
The cop asked why did you shoot the perpetrator 16 times ? I said because I only had one magazine....
For me personally I don’t think either way is wrong. It’s really up to preference. I carry either a Nighthawk CCO in 45 acp 8+1 in the gun and a spare in my back pocket, my other carry gun is staccato C-2 9mm with 16+1 in the gun and a spare in the back pocket for another 16. This world is getting nuttier by the minute so I say just make sure you are carrying and if you haven’t done so get some professional training to take your skill to the next level!
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