[SOLVED] Diesel Heater Won't Start, Blowing White Smoke
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- Why is my diesel heater blowing white smoke?
Why does my diesel heater keep going out or extinguishing itself?
Why is my heater not igniting or struggling to start up?
How to fix smoking diesel heater?
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I thought you might assess the problem I have with occasional flameouts.
I discovered it was because of tiny air bubbles produced by the diesel pump that accumulated in a an upper bent in the fuel line to the heater.
Eventually it entered the combustion chamber and extinguished the flame.
Causing a lot of white smoke and diesel leaking before giving an error code and shutting off.
Does anyone else have this problem?
And is there a solution other than replacing the pump?
Hello, great and wonderful work. I have this same heater and also the same problem..but I don't know what to do and where to start...and I hope you can help me in the way that I can do something for it..because most people here do not have the knowledge and experience enough to fix it..please help 🥰🥰
Hi ya.. I watched your video and tried all you said. Unfortunately it still wouldn't light. So I took the clean a step further, and it's now working like it was when it was brand new. Just to make sure that it wasn't a fluke, I repeated the same process on the other 2 dead heaters that I had kept when they failed. All 3 now work perfectly! Video is on my page, hope it helps! Thanks for posting this to help others who may be struggling.
Thank you for making this
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Thank you for being alive 😋
This is the most awkward position of an exhaust.
As you clearly shows the condensed water, will never come out.
Thanks mate, this is by far the best tutorial on how the diesel heater works I’ve seen. Well done.👍
Cheers!
I second that, after watching this video after a few others it all made sense, you was bang on about the mesh and bottom half of the burn chamber your details and info spot on 1 warm viewer now
Turn off Heater, Blow Air throw Combustion Chamber Intake, and watch the Soot come out
These Heater run through a Shut Down Process
Fuel Pump Stops = Self Sustain Burn Stops
Glow Plug Turns On = Burn off excess Diesel
Fan Blows to cool down
Glow Plug turns Off
Fan reduces until 2 green bars are left, then you can Pull Power or Lose Power, any other time will result in Blocked Jets and a pain to get up to temp
one tip. to avoid moisture buildup in your exhaust, the outlet of your exhaust pipe should be pointed downward.
My two cents, why not mount the heater inside with a carbon monoxide detector? Many camper people mount the diesel heater inside
Brilliant, about 7 minutes and 30 seconds into the video I realised that I had done the same, I pushed the mesh down past the air opening and it's now working perfectly, no more white smoke.
Thanks Adam 👍
Great to hear! 🙂 👍
Same here, 3 strop downs later , gound your video bingo problem solved. I knew it was a fuel air mix problem just didn't spot the mesh covering the hole. Many thanks.
Excellent video! I am a teacher here in the US, and I believe you have natural skills to communicate knowledge effectively.
Turned on. Daft needless music. Turned off
That was awesome, and cleared up many questions that I've had,I don't own one yet but I am considering buying one! What brand is best? Are Chinese diesel heaters good ? Also my vehicle runs on petroleum/gasoline is that better or worse than diesel? Thx EDGE
The 'original' instructions you dont seem to get with the clone heaters is ''if you have a low spot in the exhaust where water can accumulate, a small 3mm hole can be drilled''
That might be it for us. Our heater is only one year old and we’re not full-timers. Checking asap at -5C.
Your not going to believe this. I installed a deisel heater in the trunk of my Lincoln. I added the extended exhaust pipe. I carefully routed the exhaust under the framerail the back upwards 4" creating a trap in the exhaust. It ran fine. I was very happy. But then it got extremely cold. No problem. I fired up my Deisel heater. Only 3 months old and she was running great. Then I noticed the exhaust was dripping water. Then the heater shut down. I tried several times to restart it. It would try to start. Pour out white smoke. Then shut down. I was upset. I ordered another heater. Today I was going to remove the heater and install the new one. As I stopped for a coffee break. I was trying to search videos on the subject. I came across this video. I thought to myself.. NO WAY iT could be something so simple . I got out of my car. And crawled under my car. I cut the exhaust straps and let the pipe down. About 6 ounces of water came out.
I tried to fire up the heater. It fired right up. Lot's if white smoke. But it was soon to dissipate. The heater is running like a champ now. I wanted to say thank you. And I'm going to buy you a couple of bears. Thanks again.
I am a mechanic that's certified on all Espar/Eberspacher products i broadly agree with this video.
One thing I disagree with though,
Every 2000 run hours you should replace that ignition mesh. If you are in a serious bind you can do as he described. The meshes are very cheap, even the espar official ones. Get the green gaskets as well. It's very important or you will be wasting a lot of diesel and having combustion products(carbon monoxide!!) getting into your heated area. LIVING area. You'll be breathing that stuff.
Remove the glow pin with a 12mm wrench, use a small screwdriver and needle nose pliers to remove the mesh.
All Bolts are torx T27 except for one holding the control box which is T20.
If you are not confident about it, ask somebody you know or bring it in for professional service. Prolonged carbon monoxide causes brain damage and headaches. If you live in a bus/van and rely on these heaters... Please, do it right. For your own sake.
Thanks for sharing this, I‘ll bear it in mind.
Thanks pal. This is indeed the best resource I've found on the internet. I tried to buy you a coffee but your paypal says "This organization can't accept donations right now."
My intake and exhaust have low spots in them on the one I have in the cab of my pickup. I drilled small holes at the lowest point and haven't had moisture issues. I don't run it for more than a few hours at a time though so your mileage may vary. I have ran it below -30°C a bunch of times and I figure if I was going to have problems with moisture that's when it would happen. I do frequently drive with it running but not at highway speeds. The end of the intake hose I have mounted fairly high up on top of a crossmember so it doesn't get much water spray or snow and when driving there shouldn't be much pressure trying to force through the system. My exhaust faces 90° to my direction of travel to prevent this as well
I've never needed to clean mine because I've tuned it with a CO meter,they come with the fueling Ramped up to rich and just floods it.
This is really good info for troubleshooting and repair of diesel heaters.
Well worth the time to sit and watch.
Well done Adam
If I start my 2kw diesel heater on 3.0 Hz it smokes..... if I start it on 1.0 HZ The pump injects less diesel and I get no smoke . start it up heat it up then turn it up... And you want a good battery for start up for glow plug . minimum voltage drop .. start the truck car or camper motor and you get 14 volts consistent ... Now start the diesel heater wait 3 minutes roughly... Unless you got a fantastic battery Or 2 batterys.. So your glow plug heats up properly.
I have the exact same issue, which I immediately thought was too much voltage drop. I used a multi-meter and found out I had heaps of vaults. Starting on 1 hz was better but it was inconsistent so what I do is give it a half second blast of throttle body cleaner, upper engine cleaner or something we have in Australia named 'Start Ya Bastard' - yep seriously that is what its called. Works a treat, gets the diesel ignited and away she goes. My unit just seems to overfuel on start up causing flooding, the spray trick causes it to immediately burn.
@@Cammo-vp1gl Kick it in the GUTS Barry!
A good capacitor in circuit may improve starting glow plug condition momentary
@@philgibson9201 I finally worked this heater out for some unknown reason I have to start the pump on only ...And bleed it for 20 seconds even though There is fuel in the line . Seems to start up after doing that . If I don't bleed it just smokes and flames out . Might be the program Because there are different controllers not sure . On the controller you can tell when the glow plug is on and you can hear when pump starts . The pump seems to start to late when the glow plug has allready turned off So it just smokes then . So I bleed it for 20 seconds and it starts .
Thanks I'm waiting for a part and ramping up helped start it
had one for two years cleaned it twice
but now need to look into a noisy fan bearing
which maybe 625zz s
once you have disassembled once
it gets easier from then on
spares are easy to come by too
{:-) PAV UK
I just spoke to the person that fitted my diesel heater asked if it needs servicing it's a planar diesel heater what he said to me is no need to service just run it for full power once a month so I would think the same with the Chinese
A couple times a year, run a couple of high heat cycles with clean kerosene. I've had mine in my semi for 9 years and have never had a problem. I opened it up for the 1st time last month. I didn't get enough carbon to fill a thimble.
Mine is clean, good fuel plenty of air etc. Still lots of white smoke and e-10 code won't fire.. HELP!!!
Did you find out an answer?
Great breakdown of the actual device and moreso the explanation behind each mistake. Thanks for being so transparent. My mind is richer due to your humility and willingness to teach.
I find it much easier to start the next time by running the heater up to 160C for a few minutes before shutting it down. Manual prime the heater for a few seconds, make sure your battery is well charged to 14 volts and start it. It should light as soon as it starts to inject fuel.
That was the best explanation of those heater problems iv seen Thanks
One very important thing also are 'the bends', I fitted a new 24v in my wooden shed but would repeatedly flame out so I fitted my other also new 12v heater which did exactly the same thing. In both cases I used the same exhaust set up which had 2 90degree bends and 1 45degree bend (through a stainless steel exhaust bulkhead fitting). Removing the 2 90degree bends solved the problem. Perhaps these heaters might benefit from smooth bore exhaust pipe 🤔
Just came across your channel. I really like how you explain things and show them. Too many people water-board u with useless crap, lol. Look forward to checking out your other videos. Take care
Honestly fantastic video, just what I was looking for. Thanks for putting this together.
Not trying to be rude, but the long and short of the problem is poor/incorrect installation relative to design. Both on the ignition chamber AND the cold air return... Good explanation, as it seems many people don't run the heater recirculating.
For sure. Sometimes the advantages of 'incorrect' installation outweigh the complications.
There are advantages in buying a service kit that includes the glow plug spanner and a new screen,
i don't have one yet but im thinking off buying one
I run my heater on Kerosene or Paraffin as at the time the price was half that of Diesel. Hey ho it's all expensive. Cheers from old George in the UK
Amazing that. It's a good idea if its an option, but kerosene is far more expensive than diesel over here.
The key to keeping these things running clean is bringing them up to temperature,I ramp mine up slowly till it gets the unit to 200 c,then I turn it down and even with it turned all the way down it maintains 200c and runs like a champ,and the pump pumps very slowly
Thank you for this. Took mine apart had already 3 cups of built up soot. Cleaned and running great👍
The tiny air intake hole for the glow-plug is the path for fuel leakage when the heater is operated on its side (the wrong side, with glowplug facing downwards - whereby the blown cabin air will eventually contain diesel fumes) - it's not 'leaky' or faulty, it's why correct positioning is key.
These heaters need to be installed inside the vehicle not outside.. proper installation goes along way
Propex L.P. heater install in or outside..Much better furnace
Errrr, no. They can be mounted outside quite happily. I've installed enough of them to be able to comment!
@@karldingbat okay sparky
@@glennschlorf1285 what ever budd
Combustion produces water, so the exhaust should always point downwards. You can even hear it gurgling @ 4:12
If you can keep your exhaust pipe warm/insulated enough, you can largely avoid having to point it downwards if needs must. You can actually buy insulators for diesel heater exhausts.
@@peterkingsman Why would you have the need to avoid pointing it downwards - just curious?
Best explanation of heater operation!, thanks for the time and effort with your diagrams and animations , very concise
I tried everything you suggested on my 2kw but it turned out to be a torn gasket which must have been done during manufacturer the gasket was the inside one on the combustion chamber.
I had two identical heaters which belched huge clouds of white smoke on startup, much head scratching and many futile mods later I changed fuel pipes downstream of the pumps from cheap / soft / transparent type to the white semi rigid nylon material.
Bingo, problem solved ! These heaters were cheap even for Chicom products, cost $AU110.00 vs $AU165.00 for most on Ebay, suitcase type with internal fuel tank etc.
Had a buddy that had two diesel fired heaters . One would heat coolant for his floor heating setup and the second would heat the air at low temp low speed. Said it was more comfortable that way
Excellent video and easy to understand and follow. Thankyou
Good stuff.....someone with experience with these things and not just an initial unboxing/install.
Most were human error.
I like watching the old diesel engineer from Australia. He has about 20 videos on how to install and how to troubleshoot diesel heaters.
It's in the name int it.. "parking heater" 🤔🇬🇧
Coke and soot is NOT unburned fuel, but fuel burned in an oxygen starved environment. Your videos are great, but please try to get the basic chemistry right. EXCESS FUEL NOT UNBURNED FUEL. Unburned fuel remains as a liquid.
Thanks so much for the thorough video -- I had replaced the atomizer screen on my heater and didn't install it all the way... blocking the inlet hole and causing E10 codes. Nice animations, great video!
Cheech and Chong burn mode. This genuinely is hilarious. Do you really have your exhaust pointing up? - Guess what? rain can go in also. Might as well put a funnel on it. 😂😂 Why oh why lol? Terrible idea. The boiling water in the exhaust - tragic. If you didn't use common sense then at least use the instructions. - Exhausts must point or bend downwards with the total bends not exceeding 270° - at least drill a drain hole in exhaust. And btw ALL exhausts condense. So running downward is best for heater health.
Terrific video. I’m having all these problems right out of the box. I think I am flooding it with fuel. Anyway, this video has given me the confidence to strip it down, check every aspect you mention, reassemble and set it up correctly. Thank you for taking the trouble to help others.
Well? Jfc what was the problem with yours?
Ffs
Also, altitude controls attitude. I originally got an altitude chart that didn't match my heater. This caused some cold nights on my most recent trip until I sufficiently leaned it out with the correct settings. now that I'm back and it's still cold, I'll reset to home altitude and run it on warp 9 to clean up whatever mess I created on the inside. Learning curve can be a wicked bitch sometimes.
much better than getting a heater with a controller that doesn't match the altitude
I wound up replacing my old one due to bearing failure (now fixed, and hold as a spare) but the controller on the new one couldn't adjust for the altitude and coked up after only a day. swapped controllers, and the new one works fine.
I set mine to idle slightly lean, no buildup, with a slightly richer mix on high.
Very informative video! I've had a diesel heater for years, worked on it several times and it works good for a little while. I think I failed to push the screen in all the way!!!!! Thanks!
Great advice, another cause of white smoke that happened with my heater turned out to be water in combustion air intake pipe after heavy rain even thoughit it had the filter cap, I had it pointing up and have since left it horizontal .
It is a good informative video BUT im not gone promote it it on or diesel heater FB groeps . I will explain why . The heaters can run on low all winter long with no issue of soot . The reason why you had soot is that you took cold outside air and that made the heater body not coming up to full temperature ( 180/200c )Next burning of soot by runnig the heater on full for a bit doesn't work as to burn off soot requires a temp of +600 deg c , that would melt the aluminium body. and that myth keeps coming back .But for the rest a great video
Despite that little bit of seemingly sound theory, you will find you can burn off the soot. The soot insulates the aluminium body and cannot dissipate its heat anywhere near as quickly as the aluminium. Also the soot is generally structured in a way that allows for very effective combustion within itself, creating local heat within the soot. It works. But yes as to your first point, you shouldn't have a sooting problem if the air you are drawing into the heater is warm enough. But I explain this clearly enough in the video.
Thanks for great instructional video now i knows where ta looks for me heater troubles🙂
Hi, I really enjoyed watching your video but I do have a question.
On the heaters I have, after about 90 seconds the fuel pump starts and if monitoring from an app, the combustion temperature will rise. After about 4 minutes the glowplug will turn off.
I have one heater that on many occasions the glow plug icon comes on and the glow plug draws power however the fuel pump never starts. On every occasion I have just powered off the unit, then back on and it has started correctly.
My question is what tells the fuel pump to start? If it were a timer, I'm sure it would always start. If it is temperature, where does the heat come from apart from the heat of the glowplug?
On a new heater or a serviced one, there will be no residual fuel in the combustion chamber and only the powered up glowplug, so what starts the combustion process?
As I stated earlier if it were a timer, I'm sure it would always be a consistent start.
The other strange thing is there is no error codes. It just sits there with the glow plug powered up for as long as I leave it. Other types of heater would use a pilot light that would operate a thermocouple and that is what starts the main gas valve (In the case of a boiler), but what starts the fuel pump on these heaters?
Your animation shows the diesel going onto the hot mesh causes combustion, but if the pump is not running, where does the diesel come from?
Thanks.
Why is it mounted outside? Doesn't that build cabin pressure, lower efficiency, and cause condensation?
Any one watching this. This is NOT how you set up your diesel heater. Everything on this video is WRONG :D
Righto
Nice video however, no bends in the exhaust pipe just a straight run with a slight decline run, have a filter on inlet sides even if it's a set of tights to stop any spiders, debris entering and all good mate 👍
❤ your video 👍
When you buy a new ignition mesh, get one that comes with an insertion tool. It enables replacement to the correct depth without needing to remove any more than the outer cover and the glow plug. It’s so easy to do that I do mine every few months which negates any significant carbon build up in the ignition port. Takes about 2 minutes. I also have a bit of stiff wire with a bend on the end that fits in the fuel supply hole, a quick poke keeps that clear too. Ask me how I know to do this🙄😂
Never ever mount it outside. That style is better mounted high and have the exhaust always going down ..pass through the floor and out. Have a fan blow across the exhaust and recover more heat. Fuel tank should also be inside (diesel only) run it too hot and open a window to keep the air dry (payment is more fuel burned) if using the unneeded muffler inside, plug the weep hole. And more....
Thx, very clear explanation with the magnificient animations!
Liked and comment for the algorythim!!!
Just to say I have added your video to my Diesel heater Playlist. Great video and explanation. Best I've seen. Deserves more views. Cheers from old George and Jane 🤠👧👫🇬🇧
Someone else said it… ACTUAL ADVICE is an understatement. THANKYOU!
Hey thanks for your video. It got down to 10 degrees and my heater started blowing white heavy smoke. I watched your video and found out that my combination air intake was outstanding drawing ice cold air. I moved the pipe inlet to get inside air and the smoking completely stopped. Thanks for the great advice. I’m going to connect a 4” pipe to my heater air inlet pipe and connect it to the inside of my house. I think that will help if I supply preheated air instead of the 10 degree outside air. I haven’t seen anyone recommend that. Thanks again.
How often and for how long do you recommend running it on full blast to prevent coking problems? Let's say it's always running on manual low because the room is well insulated and that's all you need for the temps you find yourself in? I understand that running it always on low will eventually give you coking issues, so how often would you blast it and for how long in this situation?
I switched to the cheap diesel heater option from a Webasto gas heater, which did nothing but coke up. It was either replace it or check it into rehab.
Before you turn it off, or if you're running it consistently, once a day.
If you install a diesel heater to draw in outside air instead of recirculating the air, you’re running the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. This is because the combustion exhaust can get drawn into the cabin air suction duct.
i have a adjustable power supply. i increased the voltage to just under 14 volts. all problems went away. glow plug is hotter, burns cleaner. better miles per gallon.
Excellent. I am an engineer and know you have really clearly explained the installation and long term maintenance. Your years of experience are well passed on here. Well done.
Excellent video. Thanks forvthe help. 👍
I need help. My diesel heater over heats, blows the heat sensor then fills my van up with exhaust smoke. This is Brand new unit I just replaced and had the same problem with the previous one. What am I doing wrong.
bro that was so good! I dont even have a heater but Im subscribing!! Love how you break it all down and share you knowledge!!
God bless you brother!~
Get yourself a heater, you'll love it
Thank you Adam for information , my Anbull heater basically same as yours is doing same thing on restart, after warmer temperatures outside warmup my garage So ill take mine apart check my glow plug clean it like you did and reassemble it, order parts gets irritating on 8kw heater getting right stuff is problem
Poor installation, the exhaust should always be on a downward angle, a carbon restriction will occur and cause heater to carbon up and blow white smoke with incomplete combustion. These are simple devices with associated problems.
Hi Adam. Thanks for that. Thinking that this vid ticks all the boxes for the problems that literally began two days ago when started on the first really cold day of our winter in Germany, after dismantling and inspecting the combustion chamber , I found it was only lightly coated with soot but that it was wet with unburned fuel. I cleaned it all thoroughly anyway. Glow plug looks good, mesh is seated correctly. After reassembly and restarting, I kept an eye on the screen to check the readings. As white smoke began belching out as before, I noticed that the glow plug symbol went out. I flicked through through the menu pressing "OK" and saw the temperature rise only slowly from 44, 45 thru to 58 degrees C and then stop at 58. White smoke was still belching out so I pressed for "OFF". Shut down process ran as normal. Glow plug symbol came on again briefly. No error code appeared. The sun is shining at 3 pm, outside air temp. (for combustion intake air) is 4 degrees. Any ideas?
Get a new mesh every 2000 run hours. It's a required maintenance item. You can try cleaning it as he has in this video, but theyre seriously so cheap and you can have a couple handy for later.
2000 run hours is 24/7 operation for 4 months.
Or 12 hour operation for 8 months.
@@WhyAreWeForcedIntoHavingThis Fix much appreciated. Thanks!
Our heater is pumping fumes into the cabin at start up, any suggestions would be great fully received.
Thanks for great instructional video. I don't have a problem with mine but good to know what can go wrong. Cheers :)
flooded it
I have lots of soot and smoke with a nearly new gasoline unit. I think it might just be the extreme arctic temperature, I'll try again later in the winter when it's a bit warmer..
When it's warmer lol. 😂 It's a heater, it's made for arctic conditions Gasoline? Not diesel? If you are in the Arctic or are using the heater where the air for combustion is lower at altitude. You can switch the heater to 'alpine mode' .
How does the gasoline run? What brand of heater? Will premium fuels keep unit carbon free?
@richardd8352 It was minus 35Celcius. As soon as it was back to normal freezing temps the heater worked again. I guess the fuel gets too thick? I'm not at high altitute so I don't think switching to that mode will make it run better, it will just make it run leaner.
Great Video thanks for your time in making such a informative video!
Best video I found for this problem! I've just cleaned mine in the same way and now have no white smoke. Thanks Adam great video !!
Great video and fantastic delivery of the information too 😀 👍🏻
Enlarging the ignition air hole to 1/8 inch eliminated startup smoke once and for all.
Thanks Man! I thought I was in for buying a new Heater. Instead i removed it from the Van and cleaned it like your video showed. the only thing i couldn't do was remove the screen by the glow plug. Instead I just washed it out with some great cleaner I have. It started up and worked great.
make a hook out of the stainless steel wire of a Chinese food container and stick it in the screen opening at the far end and pull it out. Good to have a few spare screens as they damage easily. I also had a lot of carbon buildup in that hole past the screen and used the same wire to open it up by poking a hole through the carbon.
the instruction manuel does say your exhaust must be horizontal or bend downwards. It say it should never bend upwards! so water in your exhaust is just due to bad installation...
Sure enough, the little air port at the glow plug was clogged. The paper gaskets are very delicate. One bounced on the carpet and exploded.
invest in a Propex L.P. heater...make you life better
Great video! Thanks for putting this out there!
Which air flow are you talking to the air draw from the unit or from the bottom air intake
The only comprehensive video on UA-cam about this topic. After watching it I can say that all the other videos were a waste of time. Helped me fix my diesel heater and, more importantly, taught me how it works and how to prevent it from breaking again. Big thank you
You do NOT want to use cabin air for combustion - not EVER.
Sir, this is what every vid should look and be like. Nice work!
Thanks for the info, Adam. I'm going to have to watch this several times to make sure I'm picking up the right messages.
good vid, I learnt somethink, the little air hole, where mess is :)
Great imfomative video. Thank you 👍
Excellent mate you solved my heater problem thanks 👍
Good stuff 👍
THANKS GREAT VIDEO ILL STRIP MINE DOWN SOON I HAD A BIT OF WATER IN FUEL LINE AND THAT DID CAUSE SMOKE B4
COULD YOU BLOW THE CHAMBER OUT WITH AIR LINE THROUGH AIR INTAK TO SAVE STRIPPING DOWN
Great video. Why don't you mount the heater inside your caravan?
My engrish no good but thanks you for showing how make drink water.
Watching you torture that poor heater learning these mistakes pains my soul but I'm glad you've been able to learn from them. Thank you for shairing that knowledge so others will hopefully not make the same mistakes.
The Mesh is a Atomiser, E'cig's use their version to burn flavoured oil also
Interesting video, surprised you put it out side where it can get wet if traveling.