Vaush Joins TYT to Discuss Why Young Men Feel Alienated in the U.S.
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Twitter streamer Vaush joins Ana Kasparian to discuss how the Left is out of touch with young men. Watch TYT LIVE on weekdays 6-8 pm ET. ua-cam.com/users/the...
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Vousch didn’t even mention that he’s famous for being the first guy to beat Bloodborne. Such humility. Such grace.
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He also didn't mention that he's a sexual harasser.
This irony is partly why the online left goes after vaush so much.
. I find it funny personally, but there are so many lefty goobers on twitter who’ve never laughed before in their lives.
How can you misspell his name when it's right there in front of you 😂
He also said he wanted to nuke Israel.
Who knew that taking away education, housing, leisure time, counseling and mental health services, work bonuses and benefits, living wages, and retirement in a society with no plan to make the future better....who knew that would end up in misery?
Indeed
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Knew. They just didn’t care.
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Well said.
To pick a nit: my grandfathers and my father would NEVER consider availing themselves of mental health services. They'd sooner rely on the church. In my experience, the church my male relatives were drawn to reinforces a theology of birthright male headship that is easily exploited by dark money authoritarian types. In practice, that seems to hurt women and POC.
This happens when you live in a predatory economic society unfortunately. We need to get those after school activities back in schools. Students need more music classes, more sports teams, more social groups to share their interest. I'd rather give my tax dollars towards these things, not giving the rich tax cuts and the military.
Having social groups to share experiences with at a young age probably does wonders to someone in the future.
@@iamwonka Helps people bond, find outlets for their energy and gives them things to be interested.
Yup. Agreed
Hard agree
I agree with no homework for school kids especially boys before the age of 14
I have grandsons that struggle at school these days because when they get off the bus all they do is homework at home and they hate it and then they hate school and then they don't give a crap and then they fall behind
After school activities used to be socializing using your hands playing games with other kids and siblings
We just need to remember that no matter your race or gender, the workers of the world must unite to fight against the wealthy elite who are exploiting them and ruining society.
The left told me I'm part of hte privileged class and need to give up my power.
Why wold I was to unite with people who have made destroying me their stated goal? They messed up and said the quiet part out loud.
@@funkydanielukprecisely. Its on now mfs
@funkydanieluk hmmm... maybe you should make some effort to understand what a number of these people mean when they use the words that they use when talking about these sorts of concepts. I make the suggestion because it really does appear that you've either already bad your take on these ideas from the start, and had been looking for something to utilize for the purpose of rejecting everything about it... OR... Maybe you've been rubbed the wrong way by these people, &/or how they presented things. and we all know that they do seem to fumble at least somewhat often. but then again, so for those presumably trying to heat it. but anyhow, I've heard from a lot of ppl over the years, as well as my own experience, that when a topic comes up that may cause an individual to feel as though they may be 'under attack'- it can sometimes be helpful to try to compartmentalize the feeling, as to possibly disallow that from interfering too terribly much with you listening to or participating in those conversations. I assure you that the idea most certainly isn't to cause you harm. if guys were given some additional skills/'tools', and those newer tools were to be seen as 'normal', I think the perceived "toxic masculinity" might be seen as a little lesser prominent. I don't think the goal is to harm you, or men in general. the would/our world could potentially be a little better for everybody if certain kinds of things could be mitigated. I'll toss out an idea or two if you reply, I'd like to hear what you may think about some of these things, and the topic more broadly.
Tell that to the fake feminists who hate trans people and cis men.
@@Newton-ReutherI don't like terfs however if you oppose feminism then you are no better than terfs
Instead of calling it Men’s Right let’s call it Men's Health
Exactly what I was thinking too. It is men’s health plain and simple.
I think there is some overlap between what would constitute the two, but there are some elements of MR movements that need to be separated off if you wanna call it mens health
No, accept men have rights removed from them. Men's health is a health issue. Giving men EQUAL RIGHT to leave or custodianship to their children isn't a health thing, it is a rights thing. Originally, men were the breadwinner, so they got the children, by default. Then women fought for the right to bring up children, and won. So women were given the children by default. That is where the problem arose originally. Not "given equal right", given right by default. What was wrong for men to get, was now given to women. But men still were the breadwinners, so they were hit with alimony to pay for the child's upkeep, because unlike women, he could. Then poor (and then working class) men didn't HAVE the breadwinner position and had no more, or little more, ability to pay for the upkeep. But laws didn't change.
The changing of law is a rights issue. Not a health one.
No, those are Men's Rights and we need to fight for them.
How about "gender equality"? 🤔 That way we stop reinforcing gender stratification, ya know? Why not be one movement working together and get all the genders talking to each other about their needs?
I love that Ana has been pushing this topic more and more. Its important. As a man of colour in my 30s from a low income neighborhood. I am the only progressive I know. I'm a unicorn. Most ppl I know are either apolitical or hate progressives because they feel progressives are always in their face blaming them for stuff. We need to do a better job connecting with men. It's not helpful to say because men have historically always been on top the social ladder we shouldn't hear their issues on an individual level.
The left regularly mistreats people and then acts surprised when they lose votes despite having the most apparently smart policies. Call every white man a devil, call every man an oppressor, tell them they are born with the original sin of toxic masculinity and can never be accepted in society, then act shocked when you meet rightwingers who actually agree with you in theory but left the team because you abused them. The left is, and always has been, its own biggest enemy. There is a reason the right commonly says stuff like "the Left is the side of tolerance" ironically. There is truth to it, it eats their own for no reason. There is nothing immoral about being a man.
@Dishonored Undead this is not true. I've been a progressive my whole adult life, yes there are fringe groups of ppl like this but they do not define the left. It would be against what it means to be a progressive to hate any group of ppl. Being a progressive is about being open and accepting of others from all walks of life. You are just repeating right wing talking points saying the left hates white men. Where you are right is the younger group of progressives are growing up on the internet in thought bubbles that do end up alienating groups that differ than them. I guess it's the "Hasan/H3" brand of progressivism but even they recognize this problem in their audience. Also it doesn't just affect progressives. This is exactly what they are talking about in this video. Isolated young men are turning to these online thought bubbles as well but are turning to Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson or worse Alex Jones. It's a problem with social media and internet in general and we as a community regardless of political leaning need to work together to fix this. These fringe groups should not define us.
@@R.B.90 This defensive response was unnecessary and just isn’t a good look. It’s #NotAllLeftists
@@jasondaniel6021 and that's your opinion 🤷🏾♂️
@@R.B.90 the fact that it is not true doesn't mean it's not in the collective mind, Tucker Carlson said "once you control the narrative you control the conversation", they know how to control the issue.
don't let them control the narrative, let's make and effort to show that we care.
As a leftist, you're raising issues I didn't know I needed to consider. Keep doing this, especially when it challenges the left. We need to avoid complacency.
*ANDREW TATE GETTING ARRESTED* has done the world a massive unexpected favour - it is getting people to TALK about why millions of young men worship a misogynist sex trafficker...?
It has forced us to recognise we have screwed up as a society if this is what men are looking to, and especially highlighted the failings of the left in this regard.
Im an author - in this comments section I got criticised for writing in a juvenile manner and not an academic manner - and we wonder why kids don't like the left...???
Absolutely true.
I always fought against these ideas because they were always coming from people with nefarious intent. I’m glad our side is talking about it more now. It’s definitely needed.
@@TheeChristopherEsley ah, the old dogwhistle cycle. Assholes bring this up as a dogwhistle, which leads to dismissal of people trying to legitimately discuss the issue. I'm glad Vaush is pushing against it.
Right on! It's actually incredible how uncomfortable a lot of online lefties are with this discussion, and I say this as a leftist myself. Like, when it comes to men falling down the right wing pipeline, a lot of lefties ignore that the pipeline exists and make essentialist arguments about men choosing to go down that path because what, they're just inherently evil? Lefties are usually pretty good at socioeconomic analysis of society wide trends but they're unwilling to apply that same logic here
I just wanna say thank you for platforming Vaush, lot of people say otherwise and complain every time someone even just talks to him, this is definetly a welcome and appriciated gesture.
I'm a big Vaush fan too.
why do people hate on him? he always seems pretty rational
@@TheCoz27 people hate on anybody. that's why it's important to have discernment when judging someone's intelligence, intentions and merit.
@@TheCoz27 there are already versions of vaush that exist inside their heads, aka Vowsh.
@@timeslot09 true. i see obvious right wing hate but a lot comes from the left too it never made much sense to me
One big problem is ongoing depressed wages. It used to be that any half-wit with a high school diploma could buy a house and a car on a working man's salary. Not everyone is very talented or lucky enough to make their own way. It is sad, and must be very frustrating.
Yea, this is huge. How can anyone grow, learn, practice a skill or hobby, socialize, go on dates, etc. When we're all just so pummeled and exhausted from working all the time? Give us 4 day work weeks and higher wages already!
I had this conversation with my sister yesterday - her boy is 14. What will he do for a job that will pay a living wage?
He is intelligent, middle-class family and expectations and that is not fulfillable now. We were saying that ironically cos he is slightly autistic and quite likes repetitive tasks he might be better off cleaning driveways or washing windows cos the pay is the same or higher and the stress is lower AND he won't be on a zero-hours contract for a global corporation...
Hussle culture exacerbates this problem. Most people don't have the skillset to build themselves a luxurious lifestyle, and even if they did, capitalism dictates that almost no one will succeed in the endeavor. I feel like a lot of solutions come down to the economics.
@@ThePi314Man - I listened to a lawyer discussing Tate and he said "people respect the solid guy who has a solid job and looks after his family, you don't need to have a Bugatti to be respected" and this is the problem - he had NO CONCEPT that a "solid job" and a "solid life" is NOT AN OPTION for Gen Z
Sure for your kids who go to Harvard cos you pay. Not to the guys watching Tate. Im sure they would LOVE a "solid life" but their choice is poverty on minimum wage on a zero hours contract OR being a hustler and a Bugatti if they make it.
And this is the guy who will run for congress or state governor. Only 4% of elected officials in the USA come from working-class backgrounds.
And we lie to them, Ive been rich - its not like the movies and that is 100% what you expect. its 100 X sh!tter than you think when the novelty wears off...
My response to this is...if you have a boss you need a union. ORGANIZE.
A bunch of guys came on here to complain abbout women and obviously didn't listen to what vaush actully said
Vaush is a cretin youtuber. His opinions should be taken with a grain of salt.
@@yarpenzigrin1893 go be an incel somewhere else
@rohanorton Thank god. Anyone from Vaush's community has severely limited IQ.
So happy to see Vaush on TYT. I hope these kinds of interviews continue. Great job Ana & Vaush
Extremely distressing how ideological purity seems to be more important to so many so-called “leftists” than actually accomplishing anything and opposing fascism. At least Vaush and Ana have their heads on straight regarding this issue though, because it is an important one.
Thank you. I think many of those leftists may be trolls. Of course I kinda do the same as I troll ppl on dailywire convincing them the bible says earth is flat.
Yet here you are, demanding ideological purity, because "THEY" MUST be using ideological purity, and doing so for BAD REASONS.
@@markhackett2302 I don't think you understand what "ideological purity" is
@Loren Calfe LOL stop that 😂
I think part of the reason is that some leftists were just raised into or naturally pushed toward leftism by their environment. Whereas others were naturally pushed toward the right and had to dismantle all of that before actually putting in the work to understand progressive principles and ideals. The ones who just stumbled into the left are often still very reactionary. Being a reactionary on par with the political right blurs the lines between the two politically opposed but behaviorally similar types of people.
Honestly I think one of the biggest issues we have is just a lack of social spaces for men and women to mix. The few social activities that are normalized for young men are playing sports, playing video games, going to the gym, and drinking. Sports are generally gender-divided, at most you only hear people's voices in video games, most gyms have a culture of people not wanting to talk with each other, and while you can certainly meet and socialize with the other gender while drinking, drinking has it's own problematic subculture. I think we have a huge cultural problem of being anti-social
Great point Colin.
When I was a young man, socializing was very different.
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In America at least, I think this also ties into a lack of many 'third places' outside of school and work where all kinds of different people can meet and socialize together. And all of this is made worse by how car-centric and atomized our cities are
To be fair, @@johndoe9362, they were astute enough to know that place was no where near you.
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#neverkissedagirl #L #notwithatenfootpole #lonelyboy #pitiable #selfhate #sadtroll
@@cassiusdhami9215
You're just confused.
My first time on a airplane I saw how anti social people really are. They don't know you they don't want anything to do with you. But how do you get to know people In the first place ? Coworkers,classmates or a dating app maybe. Our means of actually socializing are limited to circumstance. Too many people socialise on Facebook but have no intention of being social in real life. People have become untrusting of other people. The harsh political devide which has people actually calling for and committing violence on the other side only makes people even more less likely to want to socialise. Women think of men as all wanting only sex. Or men think all women are out to get your money and use you. Alot of bad people have created stigma between sexes and political sides. They don't want us as a society to be social and united. They want us to blame eachother for our problems. They keep us lonely,keep us skeptical of government or other people. It makes it easier for them to take advantage of us.
We have to speak about this. Thank you TYT!
Speek now after years & years of slagging off men by the left !! I doubt it !! Fool !!
Why have you not spoke about these conditions existing in the African-American community they have been denied jobs and employment paid far less than other races for a much longer period in America but this was only address with mass incarceration when it comes to the black community
@@unapologeticallyblackados are you saying black men aren't men? I didn't hear anyone say young white men. You need to chill out, Advocating for groups that need help does not cloud out other minority groups, it's not a competition with a limited supply of support that only needs to be directed at the struggles of black people.
You sound like dave chapelle. We can advocate for the better of everyone, you singling out only the black community and shoving aside others..... Is exactly the behavior on the left this video is all about. stop the purity testing.
@@thesoundofmerk " I didn't hear anyone say young white men."
Ummm..... The whole premise of the discussion was the reason "young WHITE men are being drawn into fascism".....
But the point that the root of the problem is something not only common to all young men is good. But its even more pronounced among young BLACK men. Just as the root of the problem with BLM was sociopathic, violent law enforcement criminals made even more dangerous for black people because of racism.
@@IRGeamer They do bring up that black men are the ones most faced with this anxiety and depression mentioned in the video. It's leftists who don't want to hear the conversation who immediately jump to white men in order to shut the conversation down because admitting that this is affecting a lot of black men isn't as easy to shut down (in leftist spaces).
Throwing Tate and Peterson in one bag is like saying Dr. Phil and the Kardashians are on the same level 😂😂😂
Exactly- I can only assume they haven’t listened to them very much.
Exactly. An academic shrink with 19,500 citations being lumped in with a pimp. What's next?...Louis Pasteur with Dr. Pimple Popper?
@@drmodestoesqThat made me chuckle.
If the left can actually get their shit together with this issue it will do an immense amount of good for the movement, and the world.
There's no money to be made in it. Just like the homeless, no money to be made... They can't even get $15 minimum wage done --- which, as time goes by, $15 seems like a sad, pathetic, inexcusably low number now. Let's face it, our heroes are full of shit, politicians are full of shit, every bill they produce to vote on is completely full of pork and bullshit... The only advocate you have is yourself.
Of course. All that is required are workers, students, & tenants unions. This will allow men and women to organize and have a say in how to manage their lives.
*ANDREW TATE GETTING ARRESTED* has done the world a massive unexpected favour - it is getting people to TALK about why millions of young men worship a misogynist sex trafficker...?
It has forced us to recognise we have screwed up as a society if this is what men are looking to, and especially highlighted the failings of the left in this regard.
Im an author - in this comments section I got criticised for writing in a juvenile manner and not an academic manner - and we wonder why kids don't like the left...???
That's a big IF... I hope it happens. But unfortunately history informs us that the second it suits them it'll be back to blaming and attacking men for everything.
@@adampike3834 - You are missing the point. The point of the video is we are NOT attacking men for everything. We are attacking the HORRIBLE MEN for the bad things they do, but it comes across as attacking all men cos the right has been very successful at making that message and we have been very bad at countering it.
The one thing that the right is amazing at is messaging. The one thing the left is unbelievably bad at is messaging.
More segments with Vaush please. He is intelligent and has valuable insight on a number of social issues.
Is this the first time?
Im surprised he hasn't been invited often, especially on these issues.
He completely DODGED Anna's points that this is far less of a problem in other advanced countries that are more socialist & leftist than America and did NOT even go near her statement that Black men are far more affected.
@@morinmoss5382 they were agreeing how could he be dodging? you want him to repeat what she said.
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She asked why it wasn't as much of a problem in other countries. He didn't address that at all.
@@morinmoss5382 ok??? that is more of an observation than a question. obviously he doesn't know the answer. is he supposed to have the answers to everything?
As a black man with a black son of twenty years, I'm kinda annoyed that left and progressive spaces don't talk about this more and leave this conversation to right wing spaces. I want to say f-ing finally a more mainstream left group is tiptoeing on this ground, but will instead say thank you. I look forward to more empathy for all our sons.
Keep watching!
@@almag0410 Vaush is on the front lines, I love his commentary. Just saying glad to see bigger channels catching up
Agreed, putting it simply.
*YESTERDAY I SPOKE TO AN ANDREW TATE STAN* His dad died last year, he is an amazing musician, he has struggled with depression all his life and what did the left offer him...???
People who mocked him for not being able to define Marxism correctly. Like it or not [and I DONT] he is alive today cos Andrew Tate told him he was worth something.
This is OUR problem, as a society and as leftists.
Though I completely agree with you I wouldn't keep your hopes up. The second the narrative suits them it'll be right back to attacking and blaming men for everything wrong.
Because men are being constantly told we are not needed, that traditional male traits are bad.
vaush summoning all his willpower to stay within fcc rules for 17 minutes
HAHAHAHHA
I was thinking to myself how nice it would be to see him keep moving up the media ladder into the mainstream but then realized what a struggle this particular thing would be for him 😆💕
Oh my god Ana thank you. You get extra super dismissed when you’re a woman who agrees with this sentiment.
U just mad I can't get no deek stfu 🥱🫵👎🤡dusty ahh coochie 💨💨💨
Sexist
They hate you more than us tbh. They despise women like you, call you "pick-me" etc... Feminism literally just adopted the worst aspects of male culture and feminized it.
We need to talk about Positive Masculinity!
This a good video ua-cam.com/video/C4kuR1gyOeQ/v-deo.html
Also this excellent video by Cinema Therapy ua-cam.com/video/pv_KAnY5XNQ/v-deo.html
AMEN SISTER
We already had positive masculinity. It was called being a gentleman.
Feminists killed that idea. Now you reap what you sow.
Most of the positive masculinity efforts I see are run by churches, and not actually all that positive. Definitely need more of a secular push.
Y’all mocked Jordan Peterson for crying and now pretend like you care about men?!?! GTFOH!!!!
Let's face the fact that men's issues are completely disregarded. There are almost no resources for male victims of domestic and sexual assault and the sentencing disparity by gender in our legal system is absolutely insane.
Agreed, so what can we do to correct that?
And basically nobody progressive has a platform to talk to them to give young men information that they want. Any publications geared towards young men is filled with toxic masculinity.
@@Opheliakami thats the point of the segment. At the very least talking about it in a way that isn't contextualized as an insincere right wing dogwhistle would be a good first step. Normalizing bringing in this vulnerable demographic into leftwing spaces would be the main step in addressing it, but the problem as outlined is that some leftists don't want leftwing spaces infiltrated by these talking points either because they think they're all nefarious, or because they don't want attention diverted from minority issues which are equally important.
@@Opheliakami MRA's have already answered that but I bet you won't like the answer.
@@danielbroome5690 This segment is completely impotent and incapable of figuring out anything. It's TYT for god's sake. They've room temperature IQ.
The MRAs have already anwered the questions you're asking years ago.
I didn't realize what Vaush meant until he showed some of the replies to his tweet. Glad I don't twitter.
Your not missing anything. If anything our lives our better without it
Twitter is structured in such a way as to kill any and all nuance.
Low character limits lead to a lack of clarity. It's a clout magnet, which makes it ideal for toxic people who will say anything for fame and notoriety. The most incendiary, uncharitable replies are rewarded. Labyrinthian reply chains mean a lot of rebuttals get buried. It's tailor made for misery.
Anyone reading these comments who is a reasonable person: an integral part of defeating fascism is to stop them from recruiting dejected youths. Let's crush fascism together! 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
You need more buzzwords and emojis if you really want to sway people
@@rickrodriguez4032 no, you don't.
This is why TYT is great. U R Honest, I don’t always agree, but you have the courage to address so many issues. Much to unpack, much to try to solve. Thank you.
This is why they are great? Lmao we are in 2023. They've been losing men for 10 yrs.
Tyt i great for admitting never looking at the rittenhouse footage and proving they are not journalist
@@digolaverdad7313 go concern troll somewhere else
So you're saying that men are underrepresented in the school system... So we're... oppressed...
FINALLY! We've arrived. It's smooth sailing from here on out, guys!
Most people think that uplifting men means downgrading women or ditching feminism. We as leftist, the sincere one, want to uplift everybody. "Male privilege", believe all women, consent cloudiness, lack of confidence (career home ownership schooling) comes up alot with the young men I talk to.
It's not just men. Everyone in that age catetgory feels that way. We're making less, we own less, we have less than all other previous generations.
I ain't mad at you, cause you're right. But this also feels like you said "all lives matter". Kinda not the point. but I'm glad you are engaging, so I hope I'm not coming across as saying stfu. Just think it's ok to have empathy even for those that aren't traditionally marginalized without diminishing those that are
you need an alpha in your life
It's true though. There are very very few leftist spaces dedicated to men's issues, but there are loads of right wing sources offering "solutions" to young men. So men who feel alienated for whatever reason just accidentally end up being pulled to the right. Those who are experienced enough to already have strongly formed opinions can recognize and avoid the pull, but the younger or less politically aware don't have that advantage.
The left NEEDS to start putting out androphilic material. There's plenty of room for feminist spaces and minority rights, and not every leftist space needs to have a subsection catering to men's issues, but the automatic dismissiveness that is often seen definitely needs to 🛑 stop.
"The left NEEDS to start putting out androphilic material."
So are you not the left, or are you part of the problem but ignoring that to blame others?
@@markhackett2302 i have no platform. I'm not influential. I do what I can but it's not major
Is the left out of touch with young men. Show pictures of sad females in the pictures. SMFH. You cant make this shit up.
Have Vaush on more often. This is good content.
yes please
he is a pedo. why would you want to give me views?
Content is all well and good. But what is also good are workers, students, & tenants unions. This will allow men and women to organize and have a say in how to manage their lives.
Vaush Is another liar
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 what lies has he told?
thanks for having a sociologist on for once instead of a liberal to discuss the comments CLINICALLY.
Vaush is very good at engagement. irrespective of the audience comfort level with the subject, or mirrors he forces people to look in.
this is a legitimate problem. it doesn't make you sexist or anti-feminist to try to understand and communicate with these young men instead of letting them become militarized by the right...
true
Vaush is not a sociologist. He studied criminology at Humboldt State. Please don’t trust anything out of his mouth regarding sociology unless he provides a source. I used to trust this guy until he started talking about fields I studied in college and quickly learned he was bullsh!tting.
I took a deeper dive and found out when he loses a debate and is called out for lying he completely loses it on the opponent and starts name calling. When his own chat calls him out he then attacks them. He scrubs every bad debate from his archives, but fortunate some other sites have tracked Vaush and save those debates.
This guy is a very good speaker who pretends to know far more than he actually does.
I thank Ana for pushing back on his white male mental health narrative… I understand his bread and butter is claiming to convert white men from right leaning to the left, but I’ve found his audience to tolerate a lot of racism and sexism in the comment section so I left.
@@majorlazor5058 sociologist... and he's also kind of a socialist.
@@majorlazor5058 can you please point specifically at one of the debates where he loses? I've been watching for some time and what you describe doesn't sound like the person I've been watching.
and I've heard him admit to being wrong without hesitation. that's my measure of whether i can trust you. doesn't mean i agree. but that you're operating in good faith.
I've never gotten a bad faith impression from him at all.
and he wouldn't call his channel anything more than commentary. heard him say it before. and criminology is a specific subset of sociology on the whole... isn't it?
@@rodanone4895 Vaush would not say that hes a sociologist, humble Voosh
Yes! I've been saying that we need to start looking at hate as a mental health issue. Look how our views on addiction has changed, we need to start looking at hate, bigotry and toxic masculinity as a mental health issue.
Mental health is one of those public health issues that will never go away. But what we could do now is form workers, students, & tenants unions. This will allow men and women to organize and have a say in how to manage their lives.
1. Just because you say something is hate it doesn't make it so.
2. Are you a psychiatrist? Since you seem to be going around diagnosing things
Men saying leave me alone = hate
-Feminists
We need more mental health resources targeted at men and boys specifically through proper irl role models not these online personalities abusing their mental health for clicks
@@digolaverdad7313 *IM AN AUTHOR ON PSYCHOLOGY* the OP is correct.
BTW - if you are going to be smug at least learn what you are talking about - this is not an issue for a psychiatrist, it would be a psychologist or an anthropologist. It is NOT a psychiatric condition.
The term "toxic masculinity" originated in the mythopoetic men's movement of the 1980s and 1990s. This term refers to the dominant form of masculinity wherein men use dominance, violence, and control to assert their power and superiority. Anger and lust are acceptable emotions to have but men can't cry or express sadness otherwise they will appear weak. Basically, it's machismo (which is not masculinity). This is proof that people know nothing about toxic masculinity. When we talk about toxic food, that does not mean that all the food is toxic. Food can be healthy or toxic. Same with masculinity.
Terrific, informative discussion. I had no idea what was at stake with this issue.
This guy is super insightful and articulate. Good job bringing him on and introducing ppl to him who may not have known of him before
Men need to know that they can be valued in any role without being seen as non masculine. Masculinity needs to be re-branded to fit 2023.
I totally agree. I end up going into a slight identity crisis whenever I find a new video by assholes like Andrew Tate or Jordan Peterson that spouts off the same "old school 80s movie macho douchebag" kind of stuff. Their stuff doesn't represent the kind of guy that I am or want to be and it's depressing that that's the current narrative both from these "online masculinity gurus" and women's dating choices.
How about no?
You can't rebrand masculinity. It's something we innately know. Don't go changing it and confusing everyone. Sure, masculinity AND feminity have their strengths and weaknesses, but it just is what it is. Nothing more, nothing less. We balance out each other
The left's problem is that we'll rightfully point out that the reason a lot of young men are like this is because of the patriarchy, but that where it ends. There's never a solution or a fix or a road that they're advised to go down and help them.
It's funny how we talk about "helping" misogynists, but nobody ever talks of "helping" racists. As if they're some poor hapless group that can't help themselves and don't know any better.
I say we stop babying men. If some of these dudes wanna behave shitty and sexist (and they know full well the way they are behaving is vile, but simply don't care), we, as a society, start to call them out on it. They say the left are doing that too much. I honestly believe the left, and society at large, is not doing that enough.
Most men are not misogynist. So it's not like these guys have no choice but to be that way. Or that they don't understand how harmful such attitudes and violent behaviours are. They know full well how damaging they are. We have to stomp it out by stop tolerating this behaviour from our friends, family, etc.
@@sregan5415 Firstly two things; one, we do extrapolate our help to racists. And, two no one is talking about coddling misogynists.
We're not talking about converting someone like Tate, we're talking about the guys that listen to him. The ones with impressionable minds that are being lured into Tate's ideology with a sense of brotherhood. You're literally helping the right by being like this. Making guys feel isolated and vulnerable to the point that even some complete idiot's ideas of masculinity sounds appealing because they have nothing else.
@@sregan5415 Women contribute to toxic masculinity and the patriarchy just as much as men do. When you realise that, you might have an opinion of use.
"we'll rightfully point out that the reason a lot of young men are like this is because of the patriarchy"
And then you never define what "the patriarchy" is. it's just some nebulous catch-all term that demonizes men for when things don't line up to the leftist vision. Men earning more? Patriarchy. Unmarried, childless women earning more than their male counterparts? A-Okay. More male homeless? Patriarchy. More college scholarships specifically aimed at women? No problem! Too few women in STEM? Patriarchy. Too few women garbage collectors, roofers, plumbers, and sewage maintenance workers? Meh. Who cares?
The "Patriarchy" is just a boogeyman.
@@kev3d The patriarchy is probably one of the most easy to define things ever. It's very real.
I feel like both men and women are being pushed to just give up on people. In a multitude of ways. We need to be kinder to one another and show more empathy.
Yeahhhh, no. The Left is pretty solidly linear in it’s dislike/distaste of men. I’m a man, and a lefty, and it’s true from my experience.
@@jangorsps5496I think we can agree that both men women/ all people… we could be nicer and more empathetic. I don’t wana argue.
Correct, kindness is the way to go here!
@@mr.sushi2221 You don't want to argue because you know what he's saying is true. Don't blame you though bro
@@jangorsps5496 Men are unfortunately easy targets because of the lopsided crime statistics (and patriarchal systems). You could say the same about right wing assumptions about black people and reliance on crime statistics to generate a narrative.
We should see people as individuals. When you say dislike, are you saying that any random man is assumed to be a bad person, or people are quick to make that assumption? That’s similar to what I’ve seen.
Topic- lonely men
Shows pics of depressed women 😅😅
Duh, they know no one empathize with men.
THESE are the talks that need to happen.
this issue is inhernetly also a woman's issue because of how these men and boys get sucked in by guys like andrew Tate and thereafter get exposed to extremely violent misogynistic rhetoric, which is threahtening for womens rights and safety
Exactly. Everyone needs to pay attention and do what they can.
I think you're missing the point of this topic. The left is full of understanding regarding what happens to women. They spend a lot of time focusing on how to help women through life in regards to sexism and societal roles.
We give tons of advice to them yet somehow we just tell men "Be better, go to therapy, don't do that." but nothing actually meaningful when it comes to how to not be a creep, or how to respect your potential partners, or even just how you treat friends and acquaintances better. Yet we scratch our head and wonder why incels and right wing sexist groups scoop up all these guys. We sit there and just hand wave away any and all incels and wonder why we keep seeing more Andrew Tates and so on.
Vaush is trying to point out that we need more advice for men from left spaces or we are failing to actually elicit change in one sex but we never miss a beat to acknowledge there's an issue facing young men. But sure let's focus on adding to the large collection of advice we can give to women... I'm sure every guy will figure their stuff out entirely on their own.
Bullshit, the modern woman is self-centered, narcissist.
Tate? The successful black man that women clamor to be with?
Something aint adding up on the Left
I think it's more so an issue for women than it is for men. Women are the ones being aggressed because men refuse to see women as people rather than an object with warm holes to put their dick in.
Vaush needs to be a regular TYT commentator
So glad Ana brought him on for this segment
as a stereotypical leftist who spends way too much time online, i don't have a problem with men - i have a problem with the patriarchy that dictates who and what people should be, regardless of gender. but when it comes to men, there are so many expectations of being strong and repressing any emotion other than anger and lust. education should include emotional education and how to express emotions in a healthy way while prioritizing empathy and compassion to yourself and others.
You're actually right. The patriarchy is so deeply rooted in society that even men are better at being women than women. just ask Caitlyn Jenner and Rachel Levine.
@user-zx2cb5nh8v the patriarchy is different from men as a group. what i mean by the patriarchy is the inherent social systems that were created by men, yes, but is now upheld by the majority who don’t entirely realise that their views centre men.
and to your second point, in a perfect world, it would be nice to have an education system that doesn’t just provide intellectual education, but gives children the opportunity to understand their own emotions and process them healthily. i don’t understand how that is brainwashing.
i don't know how trans women come into this conversation. they are probably the most effected by the patriarchy with all of the expectations placed on boys and men in regards to expressing any femininity
@@noa_is_unavailable I’ve seen arguments like theirs a ton especially in my local school board meetings. They rally HARD against social emotional learning and label it Marxism without even knowing what they’re saying. Which just proves further how much it’s a needed course and how badly schools need better ACADEMIC (not athletic) funding.
Wow, I like how you spend 90% of the video justifying why "the left" should care about a demographic being potentially left behind instead of talking about the issues.
Duh, because caring about everyone is a point that has to be debated.
Anna starts by talking about "Men being the loneliest", and then cuts to a stock footage shot of a woman being alone/upset.
I mean...not that they ever bothered 'trying', but this really sucks.
Give people better wages and 90% of these problems will go away
Agreed. It's hard to make friends or find and maintain a romantic relationship when people are exhausted working two or three jobs just to make ends meet. People don't have the time or energy to put into social relationships.
Wages don’t give you confidence or social skills lots of that generation can’t communicate
@@bluemoonrpg326 Jobs do.
@@Misses-Hippy No they don’t lol plenty of people with good jobs have mental problems. Famous people die or commit suicide they are loaded. This has zero to do with it. Gen Z was conditioned to be antisocial and more dependent on devices for entertainment instead of actually getting together or going outside or play. For example gaming went from going over your friends or arcade to be together to throwing on a headset at home with no real human interaction. I can go on and on. This is why other generations like millennials and x were the last real kids we experienced everything before social media blew up smart devices and computers. We played outside and went around other kids. This other generation did not do that. Most local parks in my area don’t even have basketball courts anymore because kids simply don’t use them. When I was growing up we were outside till the street lights came on in good weather. We had sleepovers and actually had friends we didn’t communicate via text. We didn’t throw on a headset to play a video game from our bedroom. We went to our buddies house to play 007. Big difference. When I liked a girl I actually had to call her landline phone make a move and be social. Today you don’t even have to physically meet before setting a date with people. It’s bad and this is why that generation is struggling socially
Here's what you do: Start listening to Jocko Wilink and David Goggins (Navy Seals). Start going to the gym consistently (start light, start easy, just develop that routine, and then go heavy). Also training Jiu Jitsu is an excellent investment in yourself. Good luck lads i believe in you
How is this going to get men more right? How is this going to stop female teachers down marking boys in schools? Something that has been proven to happen? How does going to the gym and doing Jiu Jitsu going to stop a false SA accusation?
@@misterpinkandyellow74
No single solution can fix every problem. But being fit and healthy can help young men improve their lives.
Toxic masculinity hurts everyone involved, including men. Thank you for covering this topic TYT and Vaush.
It’s exactly the opposite. The war being waged on any and all masculinity by feminists is what causes these problems, your “toxic masculinity” is a hoax
@@oblivionpro69 I don't see this war being waged on masculinity? Could you point out a real world example?
Cutt the crap.
The problem with the term toxic masculinity is that it implies women play no role in society other than as victims. That just isnt true. Women are both beneficiaries and victims of toxic masculinity and will happily support the parts that benefit them even while criticizing the parts that negatively affect them.
@@user-vg8ox3he1i How on earth does it imply that? How did you come to that conclusion? Sounds like it's you, and your problem that you thought that.
A lot of the negative comments on here are proving their point
Yep. They would rather lose so long as they get to keep their smug sense of moral superiority. Sad.
Everyone who disagrees with me just proves that I'm right! Wait, why are they listening to other people?
This IS a problem. It's good to see TYT take this seriously, instead of saying it's "women hating". It isn't. Guys are hurting, but society says they have to "deal".
That's why I'm glad they said it doesn't have to be an either/or situation. You can support women and support men at the same time.
"instead of saying it's "women hating" ": Some of it is, though. Most Men's Rights groups seek to reverse what little independence and freedom women and minorities have fought for in the last centuries.
I love these convos between Vaush and Ana.
I'm not a fan of Jordan Peterson but I think putting him in the same category as Andrew Tate is unfair to Peterson. But the plight of left behind men and boys is definitely a topic we should be talking about
Like flyoy
Andrew Tate is way worse, but Jordan Peterson does make most of the same talking points.
Peterson is a complete idiot, so I don't care. He literally tried to debunk modern climate scientist with a temperature graph that ends in 1885.
I agree. That was a very bizarre and extreme comparison. It makes me more skeptical that the left has enough of a grasp and understanding to really challenge these issues. Very goofy look
I'm so happy you guys are finally talking about this I felt completely abandoned by the left for years i was a reactionary in the past I de radicalized myself but I feel like leftists have no idea how targeted young guys are by right wing propaganda
Agreed. I'm literally not even white, I'm a degenerate in more ways than one in the eyes of the far-right and I literally fell down a rabbit hole in my teen years as well. It was 100% because of insecurities around masculinity. The right knows what guys go through and they exploit it viciously.
Amen, Its been happening since GamergGate, the left really handed that badly instead of taking a nuanced approach they drove tons of young men into the rights hands all the while not being aware of what wins the right was getting out of their tribalistic shotgun approach.
The Left isn't "abandoning men". It's outright attacking men because it has a hate movement imbedded in it.
One of the biggest problems of the left, imo, is that even they tend to forget that the socio-economical system we have been predicated with fucks us all, INCLUDING men. Discourses of masculinity, how men ought to be and behave, don't only result in toxic and dangerous behaviors for women, these discourses stunt the personal growth of men. Plus, and this has to be said, the culture of the USA itself is a big factor in how men perceive themselves, how men are socialised, and the consequences of it.
I disagree. Been a leftist straight male my whole life. I never felt personally attacked because a leftist points out how men have behaved poorly. But I was lucky to have men in my life who treat women well and never insisted women are lesser than us.
Yes, I’ve encounter a couple angry ladies on the left who falsely accused me of thinking a certain way, but the vast majority of women on the left are great.
Vaush has actually talked extensively about this on his channel, via multiple segments. You should check out his streams/channels 🙂
I've thought about this for a long time, as twenty-five years ago, I worked for a feminist organization, mentoring girls and young women to be empowered. At the time, I remember asking my supervisor, who is doing this for the boys? The answer was no one. If we look at the historical fight for women's rights and equality, which we still haven't achieved on many individual and societal levels, women have been actively evolving and diversifying what it means to be a woman - right now, women can be astronauts, choose to be a stay at home mom (which is the most important, hardest, and most underappreciated job), we can wear pretty much whatever we want (in the U.S. not in all countries), we can go to college, learn a trade, join the military, be an Instagram model, you name it.
During the same 100 years, men did not evolve to the same range of personal choice and expression. Most of the gatekeeping was done by other men, enforcing the 'real man code', everything from the career choice, to a message you must be stoic, you have to compete against other men for money, status, how big of a bro truck you own, and especially what other men wear and how they present themselves in public - because you don't want to be gasp, seen as gay (which is perfectly fine, if you are). Women also gatekept as well, both genders holding men in a narrow band of acceptable expression, continuously perpetuating old stereotypes and expectations, of men having to be the financial provider and the strong physical protector. All of that gatekeeping was the definition of toxic masculinity, reducing what's possible for men to very few roles.
And now that our society is global, interconnected and focused more on social skills, communication and emotional intelligence, men who were discouraged from adapting, are struggling to find their place. But if women could evolve to embrace a wider range of expressions and roles, so can men.
It will involve having many male role models who are publicly exhibiting emotions, wearing what they wish, and changing male stereotypes. Of course, at first there will be criticism and backlash, because change is hard and old conditioning is difficult to overcome. But there is no other way for men to not get left behind.
It takes courage to walk your own path, regardless of external criticism. It might take going to therapy to unpack all the stupid shit that society, your parents and culture has taught you- learning to find your value in something besides physical strength, or how many sports statistics you've memorized. It might take joining a positive, uplifting men's support group, opening up and being vulnerable. Taking a class on communication, emotional intelligence and collaboration - instead of seeing these as 'soft' or 'feminine' skills, they are life, career and human skills.
Maybe thay need to check their privilege 🤔
Yeah and let's not forget to keep regurgitating to young men with a lack of resources that they need to go and pay shrinks, psychologists and counselors a difficult amount of money and time, for hour long sessions that other individuals having undergone therapy can attest to having helped them solve none of their problems. When in reality a lot of therapy wrongly prescribes solutions, misdiagnoses problems, just parrots talking point considering that most people in it are just going for low hanging fruit and just wanting to expand their market. All that while we live in an economy where many are already feeling the pain of recession well before any recession has actually been declared for our economy. All of that is surely going to work out well and will definitely not lead us into fascism or some time of authoritarianism in the end. Totally.
Nonetheless we do not live in a timeliness on which women's rights were achieved by women alone. Consider now in what some would argue is the most progressive Era, how it is the case we still have women that vote against their own interest as other women would also point that out.
So if we choose to not care about young men as equally as we have cared to grow the number if opportunities for young women, don't be surprised when we hit a terrible point in the road there is no coming back from. That will be tragic and there a lot of opportunists out there as we can clearly see whom are ready to prey on the vulnerability of men and use them to twisted ends (such as that POS Andrew Tate or elsewhere). It just doesn' look that it will end well.
@@louiscyfear878 Stop trolling, @Louis.You're making this situation worse for both women AND men.
I love Ana Kasparian acting like she doesn't understand why lefties call other lefties they disagree with, "secretly right-wing." Ana calls people she disagrees with "right-wing" all the time. She really contradicts herself a lot.
Also, I'm not sure how Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate are in any way similar. I think it's one of those things that lefties just say.
I'm loving this visit from Vaush.
As a lefty Brit, Vaush is definitely not a right winger😂🤣, I respect the man’s measured and thoughtful approach to most topics.
He’s a left winger who can see reality, which is usually a right wing trait these days.
As someone who used to be a loyal Vaush fan… he is politically to the right of TYT. He is still overly hung up on the status of white men. He even blames leftists for white men falling down the alt right pipeline. I’m glad Ana pushed back on him in the beginning.
@@majorlazor5058 That is insane. You are insane.
@@e13kid it’s call objectivity and not part of the Vaush cult.
@@majorlazor5058 You think not believing white men are evil makes you right wing. That is insane.
*YESTERDAY I SPOKE TO AN ANDREW TATE STAN* His dad died last year, he is an amazing musician, he has struggled with depression all his life and what did the left offer him...???
People who mocked him for not being able to define Marxism correctly. Like it or not [and I DONT] he is alive today cos Andrew Tate told him he was worth something.
This is OUR problem, as a society and as leftists.
To immediately demonize people like Peterson, rather than having him on and discussing his ideas that you agree or disagree with is quite literally the problem you’re failing to address.
Peterson is anti male, Vaush is anti male the Young Turks is anti male.
Peterson is an anti male grifter who offers men nothing but anxiety and suffering if follow his example.
The focus of the left on groups and powerstructures makes it literally impossible for them to address this problem. They cannot help men without completely abandoning the idea of the patriarchy and male-centric world, and doing that would mean abandoning their entire philosophy.
@@spacejunk2186 I see how it may appear that way, but it’s not actually the case. What’s lacking by the left, in this interpretation, is empathy, the very thing we pride ourselves on being central to our entire ideology. Therefore, the solution is simply to see where we have gone off center and are failing to listen to the expressed experience of those we may disagree with.
@@MrTantriq Left wing, just like the right, isn't an empathy group.
>It's an ideology that claims that groups in power are privileged by default. While claiming that groups not in power are disadvantaged.
>Men fall into the "in power" group, while women fall into the "not in power" group.
>Therefore any topic about men's issues will never be addressed with empathy and their vulnerability will never be addressed.
@@spacejunk2186 That makes no sense, there is nothing wrong with focusing on power structures, that is how reality works. The problem is feminist theory on those power structures is just barefaced lies, and the motive behind the lies is manhate.
Power structures favour the well being of women over men, this simple fact means feminist theory is worthless.
Yikes, the comments. Humans are the worst.
A lot of people not watching a video leaving comments, typical. I feel this was a healthy conversation.
Wow, I really liked this guest! I hope TYT will have him on again :)
lol, that aint gonna happen
@@dustypartitionnoooo why
Nice username
@dustypartition true. She only debates Ben shapiro and Dennis Prager. She of course gave surrendered on lgbt rights to Prager.
@@harryroadman1089Have you seen what he’s called her?
At this point I have seen countless Jordan Peterson videos, how is nefarious? The gist Of his videos go as follows: If people don't like you maybe it's because you're not a likable person. You should take time to self reflect and if you see things that are odd or wrong then you should take responsibility of those flaws and make changes. Nothing is fair in life but if you can go from a screw up to a mostly competent person then things will greatly improve in your personal experiences.
What is possibly wrong with this kind of message?
These tyt folks have got their heads so far up their asses, that's the problem. JP is critical of some of their base so they'll throw the baby out with the bathwater.
His self help stuff is totally fine, if completely unoriginal. The problem is that he's also a Christian fundamentalist that constantly tries to force toxic traditional gender roles on everyone and who goes out of his way to stir up hatred against trans people.
@@nikta40 Can you give an example of these toxic gender roles? Also as far as I know he is never openly admitted that he's Christian let alone Christian fundamentalist.
the hate of Jordan Peterson has made me become very skeptical of the left. I never had any interest in this topic until then. The more malicious they try to paint him to be the less liberal I become
I would love to be involved in the discussion on how we can acknowledge maleness or masculinity without equating it to control & superiority.
What would be you ideas on that?
I think that there is a major difference between toxic vs healthy gender aspects.
Great point about excluding young men when they go down the darker path. We need to forgive people and offer an alternative.
I don't mind forgiving. But after some of them have committed atrocities or even raped someone... how can one forgive? And honestly I believe, older males should put their feet on the ground and do a better job of mentoring. (The right way that is... instead of judging or critique that young male, when he may not be masculine or sure of his own sexuality.) There is a lot of issues. In this case I will put it on older males. Because being older, one can assume : They know better?
@@Gqdancer We are talking about forgiving racism, misogyny, and bigotry. In my opinion it's an advantage to be a moderate Democrat. I can sit at the negotiation table figuratively speaking and hear what both sides have to say.
@@The3baddogz you're definitely white
I’m a therapist and co-sign this. Have a lot of young men in my practice with these issues.
The only time I see people discuss men being abused, suffering from depression, being lonely, etc., is when someone brings up women suffering that and men’s issues are used as a cudgel rather than being addressed as the serious issues they are.
I tend to see the opposite. When men's issues are brought up, inevitably, womens issues are not far behind as a "You think you have it bad? Let me tell you..." Both are wrong in general, but more often it's hard to talk about men's issues because womens issues are used to minimize them.
@@venusfallen I guess it really depends on your frame of reference. At the end of the day we live in a fairly brutal society that victimizes both men and women.
That's why 4th wave feminism is so important. Because it talks about how patriarchy is bad for both sexes and society in general
Omg look at Vaush moving up. I remember when his channel only had like 50k subs
Same!
50k to 421k
It’s early in the year but this is already my favorite conversation on TYT
It's Awesome that Vaush and TYT addressing this issue. I wish he would reach out more to these Manosphere and Redpill communities to combat their simplistic ideology. I know Vaush doesn't like Destiny but he has had great success going on to many of these redpill podcast throughout last year and pulled myself and many men out of this redpill black pill spaces into more progressive healthy circles. Conclusion: Meet People Where They Are to change minds
Vaush is kind of racist. I don’t trust this guy.
@@majorlazor5058 You can call him racist mysognist, homophobe or whatever. Personally I dislike several things he has said especially the tacticle N word BS he proposed in the past, but all I ask is folks actually contend with what the words he and Anna are saying. I can disagree with far leftist and alt right racist but if they bring up a point that make sense or that should be addressed I can put my personal feelings aside and address it. i hope folks don't continue to keep themselves in echo chambers that anyone they dislike can't make or address real concerns in our society. Just saying lol
@@jamaallee7747 I only think he is a racist because he has said several racist things. He also claimed black people are responsible for the crime problem in the US. For a criminology major you would think he’d know white men are the most convicted for crime in the US.
@@majorlazor5058 would love a source on Vaush claiming black people are responsible for the crime problem in the US...because that sounds like bs. He has talked a lot about how poverty and other sociological variables are responsible. Hes done entire breakdowns and debates on the whole 13/50 dogwhistle.
As far as Im aware his degree was in sociology and not criminology even though he has talked about taking classes in the field of criminology I believe.
Ya know what, looked at your recents and youre simping for Tate and making weird comments about Ana's husband so...maybe you arent coming at this in good faith
@@douglaslangley9251
If he has done this then he has corrected his views. I’ve noticed with Vaush when he gets called out for false bigoted statements he doesn’t acknowledge his mistake, and later on pretends like he always knew the correct info.
Like when he said white nationalism is the same as black nationalism, but after he was corrected in a debate he now correctly states white national is more akin to black separatism, and black nationalism is a civil rights movement.
Still waiting on him correcting the what he said about Jews disproportionately owning banks during the Weimer Republic.
TYT is a little late to the party on this one, but better late than never
Why tf would TYT want to give a platform to a pedo advocate? Oh wait, they're liberals...I keep forgetting the left is pro pedo these days
I loved this thoughtful conversation. Please do more of these! There are too few of these on UA-cam.😃💙❤️🐉
For anyone mad about this, please remember that politics is about about building coalitions and helping everyone as best we can. That includes men
Exactly. Progressive too often ignore concerns of young men.
Its about systematically offering men the same socialization we offer women. Emotional support, friendships and relationships they can lean on (not just romantic ones) and the tools/understanding to go about developing Positive Masculinity.
This so much.
Now THAT I agree with. But that's not something for us to "offer" men. That's something for them to develop themselves. No woman is stopping a man from getting emotional support from his male friends. In fact, most women I know would encourage that.
What we need is more male role models/celebrities, modelling this positive behaviour. But it takes a helluva lot of bravery and courage to change the status quo. Bravery is a personal journey. Women already give more than our fare share. This is something men need to improve and develop for themselves, albeit good parenting and direction (from both mothers and fathers) certainly helps.
@@sregan5415 Well no one said it was womens job. Just that the left as a whole needs to address it. We should try to offer advice and a clear pathway. And yes, positive male role models.
The point is that we seem interested in shifting that responsibility onto only the men themselves without thought which is not a great tactical strategy and also has been historically really ineffective.
@@Sumyriaphantom "Offering advice" though, again, I feel most women already ask men to open up. In fact, most men say that the only people they can really talk about their feelings with are their female friends and female significant others.
Men need to open up more to each other about their feelings. And also, call each other out on sexist behaviour etc.
There are great campaigns currently here in the UK that are encouraging men to speak to each other about their mental health and call out sexism when they see it. But crucially, these campaigns are fronted and led by men.
You speak of putting the "onus" on men to change, as if that's too harsh/too much to ask. It's no different than putting the "onus" on women to aspire to be more, to speak out and be assertive or any things that women have traditionally struggled with.
Of course, we women should continue to support men, that goes without saying. But the culture at large does need to change, and men must be at the forefront of this. To say that this is too much to ask of them, is honestly babyfying them.
@@sregan5415 Im not talking about women. Im talking about "the left" as a broader political movement.
I am part of the lonely boy club. I am making over 100k, decent career, I try to be empathetic, looking for a compatible partner. Unfortunately I’m 5’7 and Indian American. I am not scared of being rejected but definitely mortified at being called a creep. I hear that term all the time by women used for average guys. It’s so scary and degrading.
The issue you have here is one way beyond yourself. Women are very on guard around men because all of us have bad experiences with men not respecting our boundaries. And it's not a problem with individual men, it's a societal problem where society at large actively encourages men to not respect women's boundaries.
This is why we need both individual and systemic solutions to people being lonely. Because while yes, you can overcome the patriarchal system and find an awesome partner. There are many, many systemic issues that are driving division and distrust between men and women
I'm curious, are you open to dating average women? I am sympathetic to your situation, though - I believe it that shorter men have it harder when it comes to dating. I hope you can meet someone less superficial through shared interests or mutual friends. They are out there.
It's not your hight, money or ethnical background. It's probably your character and probably your high standards (looks). People who are secure in themselves and who have their life in order, don't complain on the internet. And most of the men will date average women.
@@dukegremory_antichrist yea I look for average looks and compatibility. Similar lifestyle and values.
@@sarahnade8663 ok I’ll wait for systematic change.
So encouraging to hear Ana say she has been dismissive of this topic in the past! It shows amazing strength and wisdom. It's what differentiates the left and right, for sure.
I've raised two young men and saw both be pulled toward the right before snapping out of it. I struggled to describe what the issues were, and it's nice to finally hear people like Vausch discuss it without fear of being called fascist or whatever by the left.
Amazing strength and wisdom to admit, in 2023, that maybe it wasn't a good idea to insult men 24/7?
@@digolaverdad7313 People should not be persecuted for their mistakes, some people feel like they will get persecuted if they admit to having a bad take.
Don't be a jackass and simply let people evolve beyond their errors, you weren't born with the right opinions on everything.
@@anticapitalist-pig
Lmao men aren't persecuted for things by women? Extreme leftists cancel each other when they find a tweet from a decade ago in which someone makes a joke but you don't think people should be held accountable for crimes?
Lying about the paternity of a kid and scamming a man for yrs is not a "mistake". It's a long term fraud worth hundreds of thousands of dollars or more.
When women make a man pay a significant size of his income for a child support based on a lie, that's not a mistake. That's a criminal stealing from man for yrs. Keeping him from maybe buying a home or from maybe getting married and having his own kids.
And many of these females don't have a change of heart. They get caught.
These are the kind of things the modern man means when he says that females need to be held ACCOUNTABLE. It has nothing to do with dating or with telling a 300 lb whale that she's fat and she needs to lose weight before she has a heart attack.
It has to do with TRUE equality. And believe me, the moment that men and women become truly equal, it's over for women
@@digolaverdad7313 and besides, Ana has never advocated what you are saying, she's just like any normie who might (incorrectly) dismiss men's issues out of the (correct) understanding of the comparably more severe women's issues (and if you take issue with this idea, consider what this issue is talking about, the fortunes of, say, a young white man now vs. 60 years ago, now compare the man 60 years ago to the fortunes of a black woman 60 years ago. And look at how steep the curve up is from the 60 years to the now black women even we make the dubious assumption that now! Black woman is on par with now! White man since their curve went down to a much less steep degree) Lol why are you people so extreme?
@@anticapitalist-pig - "People should not be persecuted for their mistakes,"
tell that to feminists.
I love that you’re having this conversation, because it needs to be had
the conversation is nearly 5 years late though. It's like talking about Season 1 of Breaking Bad in 2023
yeah many people have been having this conversation for a decade. The left wing is just now realizing they can't ignore it anymore.
Too late for the left. After years of being demonize for just existing as a man now the left care. Nah go to hell.
@@Just_a_ghost713 Damn straight
So great to see Vaush here! An important discussion to have on left-leaning shows. I hope it trends up.
And I’m sorry to see all this slander in some of the comments.
Yeah, I agree, this is a major issue for the Left. Someone with a big public following needs to take up this mantle and make it a priority for the left. Much respect to Ana for doing so.
Cp defender
@@buddyguy4723 To be fair... ContraPoints produces very good content
@@sekcaJ In order for me to consider their content good I would have to agree with the message, which I don't. It is theatrical, well thought out and entertaining though.
Treat them as we would wish to be treated. Sometimes people need to SEE what compassion, fairness, patience, self control, friendship, accountability, humility and cooperation looks like.
I personally think that young men are not the only ones who feel this way. There is a lack of male role models in general. I had none in my father. He had none from his father. I am doing what I can to make sure my children have a better balance of male and female role models and I got there after years of working with a therapist.
There's plenty of role models. Every US president ever.
Thanks for trying.
@@ḵulagaaw "There's plenty of make tile models. Every US president ever.": Lmfao, are you serious? Politicians in the US and certain other countries are essentially a legalized Mafia / Clan.
The left needs their own guy who says the things that right does. If they left wants to keeps these men from going right wing, they need to actively pursue them and learn what appeals to them.
Huge vaush and tyt fan here! Love the crossover. Sad to see the left eating their own in the comments section with lies about Vaush. Anybody who has listened to him in detail knows hes well spoken and cares about people. So many lies going around about him. Im proud to see this subject being discussed and i think its often swept under the rug to our own detriment on the left
Vaushites aren't part of the left, NATO stans only preserve US imperialism
It's a shame and uncalled for for Big Joel (lefty on Twitter), and for other UA-cam personalities to become casualties in drama. The Right Wing eats their own. We don't have to do that.
true
The left lies about conservatives
@@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356 I am sure it does, we try to find out how, tell us specifics if you know
It’s the post patriarchy hangover. For instance men are no longer the breadwinners but women will only date at or above their salary.
Yes. This is true. What’s the solution?
@@cortneyzeiler3785 Socialize women to stop "impeding progress" or whatever? I mean it makes no sense to have equality but expect men only at or above you when men don't expect the same? How can women compete for the same jobs as men but expect to have enough available mates when other women may have gotton the job instead, etc.? Thats is the numbers just don't add up - they just can't as there is not enough of these good jobs to go around. Really there is no solution. Feminism did a LOT of BREAKING and VERY little building. And much is broken. Men are, of course expected to fix what feminism broke. But it looks like many have just said "fuck it." Ah well. Feminists only plan seems to rely on the ole "the beatings will continue until morale improves." Enjoy the decline as they say.
@@gideonstarfire I don’t disagree. A lot of women are starting to “date down” in terms of status, but those relationships are less stable.
@@cortneyzeiler3785 Women hate doing it. They will have to be "socialized" to do it thru the various ways people are always socialized/forced to change with a full force propaganda and shame push to go along with it. More misery will ensue :P People are already rather miserable with the current situation. What happens when it gets much worse? This is literally an ARMY of young men - many, many millions. Its crazy what our society has done and is doing.
That was well articulated I’m
We need to win this issue on the left
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What is “manliness”?!
-Self-reflection.
-Brave enough to solve problems without resorting to violence.
-Brave enough to ask for help.
-Respecting of self and others.
-Understanding that emotional intelligence is NOT weakness, but in fact strength.
-Secure enough in self to not have to rely on false crutches to define your manliness, such as unnecessary violence, inanimate tools (guns, etc…), or principle defying tribalism as a sole form of connection.
-Honesty in communication
-Personal goals that reflect your personal truth without fear of social rejection.
Just a few off the top of my head. What ya’ll think? Add the list YA’LL!!:
IOW, the exact opposite of republican men.
You just described womanliness.
manliness is drive, self actualization and problem solving. It's not about pride or even respect, it's about setting a goal and achieving that at your own pace and to the standard you've set for yourself. You are your own boss, you are accountable to you and nobody else.
So are women who do these things "manly?"
The point is we should encourage behaviours that make people heathier and happier. Not tell them what a man should and shouldn't be. Especially with the implication women are not it
According to what I’ve seen everyone has an implicit definition. The list is your list, not “the” list because there’s no such thing.
Vaush rad 😎 And this is an important issue.
They're wrong that this is just happening in the US, it is probably more like a worldwide phenomenon, including in my country, a western european one
yeah there can be other countries but this isint a worldwide trend so you cant just blame it on like industrialization and there has to be more direct cause in the countries its happening in
The lowest paying job requires a college degree. That alone makes us go crazy.
The best paying jobs do not. But they require hard work and/or above average intelligence.
The left has to define what it is to be a man. The right has their definition and young men are gravitating towards it.
Agreed. The left’s definition of toxic masculinity is clear, but with very little discourse around what positive masculinity is.
Bro, the left's whole thing is promoting individual freedoms as opposed to conforming to rigid arbitrary rules.
I, a lefty have hereby decided that you are not a man unless you have a foot long beard like mine. How do you stack up in that case?
The right's definition of masculinity is rigid and played out. This ain't the 50's anymore.
@@WaterGates1 But there is one. You can't even define what is a woman.
The right appeals to people who want standard in stone definitions, those who value conformity and homogony.
The left will balk at doing this because they value peoples right to define what these concepts mean for each individual.
Those who value individuality and do not embrace conformity for it's own sake welcome this.
If the left was to define what it is to be man, that would be to strip the appeal of the left and make them into the right ...
Vaush should be on much more often
WHY was she dismissive when the stats came our about men's lack of intimate partners? Why was it only a crisis when it came to workforce participation? Seems like she's mostly concerned about how it will effects people other than men and for the leftist movement's ability to recruit men.
This is exactly what Michael Brooks was trying to address too.
I am an Indigenous woman of color who has followed Vaush for im pretty sure has been 3-4yrs and i truly believe his leftist content is as honest its gonna get. Its crude and at times rude, but i can feel the sincerity that comes from his work. He (vaush) truly does care about the leftist community. I hate seeing the slander against him, but its the internet.
He has said that black self determination is a dog whistle concealing the desire for a white genocide, that's not crude that's Neo-Nazi
Same on just about every account.
Mostly native (half), free market socialist (waiting for the screeches of people who don't know what that means) and while I don't always like how he says things, it's pretty rare i disagree with what he actually says.
@@chadalpha7983 no, he did not.
I know what you're misquoting.
Stop. You don't speak for us.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Vaush Is Da Best.
@chadalpha7983 Another Bad Faith Mischaracterization. Go Figure. One Cannot Appreciate That Which They Are Incapable Of Comprehending, I Suppose!
Hey its Vaush! Glad to see him finally make his way onto TYT.
As someone who definitely fit into the category of a lonely young man on the left wing I'm glad this is finally being talked about. There have been times where I felt politically homeless so to speak because I fell to that the left wing had little to offer me particularly when interacting with people who threw around phrases like toxic masculine in a very aggressive way. It always felt like they were throwing it at me. I'm glad to see I was mistaken. I'm also glad to see someone like Vaush take up the mantle of a role model for young men so that we can show them the left wing has far more to offer them than the right-wing does.
Hasanabi is another leftist who addresses this stuff a lot
Vaush, Shark, the serfs, Xanderhal and Hasanabi have been addressing this carefully and well. I think the left has a REAL problem on it's hands and it's hiding like the TERF's did in the feminism movement. Sadly Trans people are a much easier target. However, the right IS boosting it to recruit very successfully (You'll see them say Ana doesn't actually care on here because they NEED her not to). The fact that the studies Ana cited were CELEBRATED by some leftists online without pushback should give the left a fuckton of pause. Last night a streamer I usually like was like "it's not really a problem, we don't need to address anything, all of the times I hear actual hatred of men by people I've actually shot them down". If it isn't a problem why are you encountering it brazenly out in the public so damn much?
I think a lot of groups on the left haven't HAD to do this type of self reflection before, they almost always have to circle the wagons, so the countering of some ideas or some people in their ingroup is very new to them. As a male white leftist it is very common that outside of political groups I encounter stupid takes from people who think I will agree by being a white male (like any older persons immigration take or god forbid black crime, it takes so long to slowly counter them without shutting their brains off immediately). It's a BIG problem in my group for sure. What has been alarming is just that when I see lefties go "oh haha, men are dying due to despair, OMEGA LUL" and talking heads not give a shit or even excuse it... makes me not want to associate with them. I'll still be a lefty but I want nothing to do with that community if "hey, we all have struggles, and men do too" is a bridge too far.
Do *_NOT_* take _any_ advice from Cenk's Nephew.
@@___Jamie____ I wouldn't know Cenk's nephew if he was standing in front of me.
@@88cryingwolf Hasan Piker (Hasanabi) He is a balloon unit and a terrible garbage human.
My man hit it on the nose. The left, for the most part, shuns the idea of helping men in any way. We face challenges, hurt, have emotional issues, etc. There is room to fight for women, LGBT, men, and anyone else. The left needs to do better.
Men need to stop crying and either move out of moms, join the military, or make the inevitable come sooner with a rope
@@bulkierwriter2772
All three in many cases.
@@bulkierwriter2772 Or they could let women take the reigns and watch society crumble. That's kinda fun too lol
@@dissidentexpression8692 I'd rather have all three happen than deal with their laughter, happiness, and whining.
@@rickrodriguez4032 or we could introduce compulsory conscription for all males aged 19. It will give them connection with other apes I mean men and it will give them a right of passage into manhood and a purpose.