Thanks for reviews on this subject- did buy and install a gen 3 which followed your results for speed and connectivity. On a short trip to Desolation it was a game changer for weather voice calling and other conveniences. Also dislike powder coated aluminum and used the TRIO Flat-mount pole mount which works great and gives a slight tilt. It is installed on low profile 5 inch 316 mount on top of pilot house. I did this as I was worried about windage I also have run it with a custom canvas cover over it (Snow-melt feature turned off) and it seems fine and is further “marinized”against flying salt spray from any angle.
Great and informative video. Thank you. Yes, on a Pep link video, fin stabilizers and anything else you can think of. You are on a roll with ideas. I watch and learn so much from your videos. You both do such a great job. again, thank you. Is that backdrop Roche Harbor??? Its opening boating season this weekend there. I'm in So CA.
That is Roche Harbor! Great eye! It is indeed Opening Day weekend. Both the Woman and Men’s Husky teams won the Windermere Cup. As usual, we got our fair share of rain. 🌧️ Enjoy the sun in SoCal!
Thanks for providing your conclusion early on in the video as at this time I am not considering Starlink, but I want to stay generally up to date. If and when, I'll look at the follow-on details in your video. I also have to say that I've learned the quality of your analysis and thus trust what you say.
Thank you for the feedback Rob! We would definitely put wi-fi as a top five addition to any boat over 40’ (not necessarily Starlink). So many systems are now dependent for advanced functionality on having internet access and keeping tabs on the boat remotely adds untold piece of mind. Have a great week!
@@ElliYacht1 I fully agree. I use TMobile Home Internet on the boat and have been able to cruise with few signal drops. I can also remotely access the boat, see my cameras and security, etc. If the boat was our home or we decided to snap a chalk-string and head to Hawaii, I'd get Starlink.
Jon and Karlynn Elliott, this video, like all your episodes, is very well done. Always well thought out, presented, good videography and editing. The HP vs Gen 3 was very interesting. I wonder if the HP would outperform when offshore. Have you made a long offshore passage into areas with less dense coverage? Got any feeling or thoughts? A video on your pepwave setup would be fantastic. How you are bonding two starlinks together and switching to cellular would make a very interesting video. Keep up the great work. I realize how much time and efforts go into a video.
SpaceX's Starlink satellites have an areal number density of 0.005 to 0.01 objects per square degree at airmass less than 2 in the lower part of Earth's orbit, below 600 km. The density is dependent on latitude. While this data is a bit dated, the latitude density is always the same for LEO satellite. All that said, I’d be willing to bet that when a boat pitches and rolls at sea, the higher field of view of the HP, really separates it from the narrower field of view of the Standard, and the HP has significantly lower dropouts at crappy sea states. Since we are now stabilized, roll isn’t as noticeable of a variable for us.
We use the Roam plan. It’s $150 per month and can be ‘paused’, when not used. It supports ‘in motion’ up til 8 mph and then cuts out. If you need in motion over 8 mph or high priority speed in a congested area, you can select high priority in the app for $2 per GB. You can toggle it off when you are done. Most flexible plan for boaters IMHO.
Unless I missed it, you didn't compare the dishes around trees/obstructions. Supposedly the HP excels around trees/obstructions. Also suppose to excel with rain and snow storms.
IPX doesn't matter. It's the SEVEN in IP67 that matters. If they're both SEVEN, then they can both handle Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 meter (3 ft 3 in) of submersion). But I just looked it up, the high performance flat antenna is rated IP56. Water projected in powerful jets (12.5 mm (0.49 in)) against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects. That sucks. The whole point of getting that one was FOR THE BOAT. Boats often get a wave over the deck. Well...SPIT! :-( However, the HPflat supposedly tracks better while in boat motion, pitching, yawing, rolling, etc. and is ostensibly the ONLY one that will work offshore.
Another informative video, thanks! But you don't touch on the major difference between the two, the "in motion" limitation -- the HP doesn't cut you off if you're traveling above 10mph.
Good news.. The Gen4 was just certified by the FCC as approved for in motion. The Roam plan supports speed over 8mph, when Priority Mode is selected ($2per GB). facebook.com/share/p/aEBNMtb8aJUvS8SM/?mibextid=K35XfP
Thanks for reviews on this subject- did buy and install a gen 3 which followed your results for speed and connectivity. On a short trip to Desolation it was a game changer for weather voice calling and other conveniences. Also dislike powder coated aluminum and used the TRIO Flat-mount pole mount which works great and gives a slight tilt. It is installed on low profile 5 inch 316 mount on top of pilot house. I did this as I was worried about windage I also have run it with a custom canvas cover over it (Snow-melt feature turned off) and it seems fine and is further “marinized”against flying salt spray from any angle.
Great and informative video. Thank you. Yes, on a Pep link video, fin stabilizers and anything else you can think of. You are on a roll with ideas. I watch and learn so much from your videos. You both do such a great job. again, thank you. Is that backdrop Roche Harbor??? Its opening boating season this weekend there. I'm in So CA.
That is Roche Harbor! Great eye! It is indeed Opening Day weekend. Both the Woman and Men’s Husky teams won the Windermere Cup. As usual, we got our fair share of rain. 🌧️ Enjoy the sun in SoCal!
Thanks for providing your conclusion early on in the video as at this time I am not considering Starlink, but I want to stay generally up to date. If and when, I'll look at the follow-on details in your video. I also have to say that I've learned the quality of your analysis and thus trust what you say.
Thank you for the feedback Rob! We would definitely put wi-fi as a top five addition to any boat over 40’ (not necessarily Starlink). So many systems are now dependent for advanced functionality on having internet access and keeping tabs on the boat remotely adds untold piece of mind.
Have a great week!
@@ElliYacht1 I fully agree. I use TMobile Home Internet on the boat and have been able to cruise with few signal drops. I can also remotely access the boat, see my cameras and security, etc. If the boat was our home or we decided to snap a chalk-string and head to Hawaii, I'd get Starlink.
Great video! I have a refurbished gen 3 on its way. I can’t wait. You confirmed that I made the right choice. Especially for $399.
Wise choice
Good evaluation, it allowed for an apples to apples comparison.
Thanks for your effort
Our pleasure!
Jon and Karlynn Elliott, this video, like all your episodes, is very well done. Always well thought out, presented, good videography and editing. The HP vs Gen 3 was very interesting. I wonder if the HP would outperform when offshore. Have you made a long offshore passage into areas with less dense coverage? Got any feeling or thoughts? A video on your pepwave setup would be fantastic. How you are bonding two starlinks together and switching to cellular would make a very interesting video. Keep up the great work. I realize how much time and efforts go into a video.
SpaceX's Starlink satellites have an areal number density of 0.005 to 0.01 objects per square degree at airmass less than 2 in the lower part of Earth's orbit, below 600 km. The density is dependent on latitude.
While this data is a bit dated, the latitude density is always the same for LEO satellite.
All that said, I’d be willing to bet that when a boat pitches and rolls at sea, the higher field of view of the HP, really separates it from the narrower field of view of the Standard, and the HP has significantly lower dropouts at crappy sea states.
Since we are now stabilized, roll isn’t as noticeable of a variable for us.
Love your no BS cut to the chase approach. Would also like to know which service plan you are using. I have heard all sorts of things.
We use the Roam plan. It’s $150 per month and can be ‘paused’, when not used. It supports ‘in motion’ up til 8 mph and then cuts out. If you need in motion over 8 mph or high priority speed in a congested area, you can select high priority in the app for $2 per GB. You can toggle it off when you are done. Most flexible plan for boaters IMHO.
@@ElliYacht1 Is there a data limit in this plan?
Thank you for this very informative episode! Please go deeper into your setup including WAN smoothing and "pep-link"
Will do!
Unless I missed it, you didn't compare the dishes around trees/obstructions. Supposedly the HP excels around trees/obstructions. Also suppose to excel with rain and snow storms.
IPX doesn't matter. It's the SEVEN in IP67 that matters. If they're both SEVEN, then they can both handle Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 meter (3 ft 3 in) of submersion).
But I just looked it up, the high performance flat antenna is rated IP56. Water projected in powerful jets (12.5 mm (0.49 in)) against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects. That sucks. The whole point of getting that one was FOR THE BOAT. Boats often get a wave over the deck.
Well...SPIT! :-(
However, the HPflat supposedly tracks better while in boat motion, pitching, yawing, rolling, etc. and is ostensibly the ONLY one that will work offshore.
There are many sailors that have done trans Pacific and Atlantic runs with the Gen2 Standard Dish.
Another informative video, thanks! But you don't touch on the major difference between the two, the "in motion" limitation -- the HP doesn't cut you off if you're traveling above 10mph.
Good news.. The Gen4 was just certified by the FCC as approved for in motion. The Roam plan supports speed over 8mph, when Priority Mode is selected ($2per GB). facebook.com/share/p/aEBNMtb8aJUvS8SM/?mibextid=K35XfP
Great review. How did you mount your trio gen 3 on the hard top? Did you use the magnets with the fhb tape? It looks that way on your video.
What’s the difference between Flat High-Performance Starlink Kit With Wedge Mount - Gen 3 (FHPKIT2) and (FHPKIT4)???
Gosh I’m so surprised I thought for the price difference the high performance dish would 2x speeds
Boat Tour Please
😂
What about mounting option for Gen 3 going 100mph speed?
Which peplink model are u using and where or which Trio model is that u have?
Can you tie 2 Gen 3 dishes together?