While positioning the rear light under the saddle looks a good idea, I have lost count of the number of times in the winter I see it being obstructed by the tails of a riders rain coat. I always position the rear lamp slightly lower on all of my bikes because of this.
@@ChriFux Thats right. A good example how product management wants to play in a niche and ruled themselves out of the market. Not sure how large the available market segment finally will be within the Brompton crowd. Front light is only compatible on the original break levers, tail light only on original latest saddle version. And the lamps are only available as a pair, so if some customer potenially likes one of the both lamps but made changes to their bikes, needs to purchase both and let the other half laying around, what a waste. I feel that wasn't the wisest move spending R&D money and resources. Brompton should install a group of Beta testers before they launch product.
Once they hear I won’t be buying a USB charging light which is not USB C, they will obviously bring out a new model. 😅 (Don’t tell them that both my helmet light and my current seat post light and both USB mini charging!🤫)
One wonders as a new product they aren't using USB-C for the charging connection, impossible to get that one wrong, nice set of lights, tho I run a 1600 lumen on the front of mine 😂🤣😂
@@jon_underscore I ride a full size hybrid, not got a Brompton yet! I ride a lot of dark trails and I also find it encourages oncoming drivers to dip their headlights. 😀😀😀
I got these for Christmas today. Just fitted them (I wanted to fit them earlier but that seemed antisocial). They are great and brighter than I expected. Thanks for the installation video - saved me having to bodge it! Happy Christmas!
Great video. Really tempted by these. Discovered your channel after getting my Brompton, and then discovered you're not far from me so will definitely pay a visit to the treasure trove that is Brilliant Bikes soon.
Just brought these lights and fitted onto my new 2024 C line electric. Lights are great, bright and so easy to fit. One small point - my bell is right handed only. Only have the two (2) screw holes not the four (4) on the bell bracket so unable to rotate upside down.
Love your videos! And what a nice design! And yes it is weird that the bicycle industry seems to stick with the terrible micro-usb, just like the TV industry seems to stick with old school usb…
Thanks for watching and the comment There is actually a great mounting bracket for saddle rails (which at least fits the Brooks saddles) to allow mounting of CatEye rear lights brilliantbikes.co.uk/light-spares/4458-cateye-rm-1-rear-saddle-rail-mount-bracket.html We think it's unlikely that one will be made for the Brompton Be Seen rear light!
thanks for this. I have just bought a new P line 12 speed and interestingly the "backing plate" on the bell only has one set of holes, so can't be transferred onto the left from the right. It's not a problem for me as I normally use other bells such as Crane or Spurcycle but it might affect others. Thanks as always..
Thanks for watching! Funny we made the video just after they were released when it was recommended they were fitted on that side, then Brompton realised and updated the instructions! 😫
Thanks for watching and the comment We also like the dynamo lights we have on our main Bromptons - these do make good "additional" lights - though not really a main light
02:02 I’m on Brompton’s mailing list, their video link shows the front light attached to the left brake lever and the bell on the right brake lever, yet the riders appear to be in the UK, yet the lights are set up in the EU way. From what I can tell the front light isn’t pointing straight and level, it’s pointing upwards (like when poorly adjusted car headlights, when one is level and the other is pointing upwards and blinding oncoming traffic) because the brake lever is angled upwards, so it appears there is no micro adjustment, nice one Brompton (sarcasm). I wouldn’t want to angle my brake levers so far forward just to fit that light as I would need to overreach to cover the brake when necessary, let alone pull them, (even accounting for lever adjustment travel). So still Exposure Trace & TraceR for the win, unless it’s unlit roads and the Trace is substituted for the Strada 800 with remote switch 😊
German here: Bell is on the right hand. With the flashing I don't think they got the required certifications to be allowed on german roads. So with the requirements on the parts of the bike, micro-usb now when everything goes over to usb-c, giving it an outdated first impression on a brand new product, not eligible for the required light setup on the road, better alternatives, I would suggest to only stock the bare minimum.
Many thanks for your comment! I think Brompton tried to address the local regulations by adding a warning for the user to check it can be used in your territory!
Thanks for the kind comment, for watching and for the question Yes - the T Line uses the "standard integrated" brake levers to which the front light attaches and the carbon superlight saddle with the mounting point for the rear light
Hello! On my Brompton M6R from the bell is mounted on the left side. The front brakes are also on the left side. When I went to the shop to pick it up in 2016 the brake layout wasn't in the european layout. They changed it quickly to the layout I'm familiar with. Even if the Be Seen Light Set won't fit to my «old» Brompton, I watched the video anyway... See you - Martin
I bought a set of Be Seen. The leaflet does not suggest the front light be mounted furthest away from pavement but I can see the logic of the position. The rear light will become obscured if your untucked shirt tail or sagging rucksack droop down. Its a shame as i like the idea of the dedicated mounting hole for bracket underneath saddle. Opportunity for a Brompton hack.
I do not need "be seen" lights, my current Cateye set-up being more than adequate... .. but I am interested in moving my bell (2019) from right side to left side, and installing the new two screw hole (2023) bell on the right. Yes, I want a two bell setup! I believe this is possible. Am I right? TIA.
I have seen a few tut tut tutting about the USB way of charging. What is the better way which manufacturers should be adoptng as I am still 'old school' charging from laptop, the train etc etc.
Just been looking at the C. It reminds me of failsafe connectors in medical equipment. Time for Brompton to get on the new USB C bus at top speed. @@brilliantbikes
My Brompton doesn't fill the criteria but I watched it to the end anyway. I use the same principle with extra lights higher up since I think it is better to send out photons than reflect someone elses 😀
We use both! The reflective one will probably be used more now as ‘it’s reflective!’ So good for this time of year It’s also more water resistant - also good for this time of year It partially depends upon your liking of the colours The capacity / features etc are the same
Hello, I know this isn’t covered by the video but was wondering if you’ve combined the Brompton quadlock and the metro pouch on the handle bar?!? or you cannot use bpth on the handle bar at the same time? Cause I do not seem to make it work but maybe you guys have. Thank you.
The new Brompton Integrated Bell only installs on the right hand lever, despite specifications saying it can install on the left. (There’s only one pair of mounting holes, not two like the older bell shown in this video). So in the UK, if I got this light set I couldn’t mount it on the proper side. I like the new bell, it’s loud enough to get people’s attention unlike the old bell.
You're right, I posted on Reddit as couldn't figure what I was doing wrong and emailed brilliant bikes to let them know. I've still installed my light that side can use bell just a bit awkward.
Likewise at the top of a fire-escape ladder. You drop something then just listen to it clang clang clnging its way down then hitting the floor. Good bye.
bit of a pickle.... my bell mounting bracket only have 2 holes, yours have 4 so no way i can mount it on the left hand side. so the light will be on the left side heh
Thank you for watching and answering our question - now we know So only people in UK / Australia / NZ / India (the old empire ;-) ) need to move the bell
@@brilliantbikesbut didn't you move the bell from the right? Another question: I'm old but when I passed my Cycling Proficiency Test back in the sixties I'm sure flashing front and rear lights were not allowed on any vehicle. Is this no longer the case or do we disregard it now for safety reasons, does anyone know? Given that TV programmes have to warn people about flashing lights I am surprised if they are allowed...just curious, not critical.👍
@@judebrown4103 If you read the Highway Code, you can read all about the legality of flashing lights on bicycles. You HAVE read it since you passed your driving test, haven't you?
We are going to do a proper test of them, as we had not even charged them before we ran them flat! We just wanted to show the red light! We will do a short on it.
Selling them separately was too convenient, I at least hope that the light is brighter than the 25 Euro Chinese rear ones, which are already quite bright, if you choose well ❤
As a Dane I can't remember on which side my bell is, but I have told my dear wife, that the damned contraption is built for riding in the left side! I originally bought the bike to be able to take it to Malta during our many vacations in our Danish Designed, built and owned village in Mellieha! But as now both 76 she won't allow me to take it down, as they haven't found out to change direction, as all other Continental members of the EU! Finn. Denmark
should be upgraded to USB-C charging connector, Micro USB is not of this time anymore...even apple phones have USB-C now.... (and still the Brompton Dutch and German Official websites don't have Metric specification dimensions.... )
Make sure it’s the right way round before putting it in hard , so many one liners in my head but being a gentleman obviously pressed the stop button. Song for the video = A Hard Day’s Night = The Beatles .
Please don't watch our next lights videos: They should cover G Line Be Seen Lights / New CatEye VIZ rear saddle mount light and new G Line front light There is a lot of non USB-C involved (ducks head and runs for cover shouting ... don't shoot the messenger)
While positioning the rear light under the saddle looks a good idea, I have lost count of the number of times in the winter I see it being obstructed by the tails of a riders rain coat. I always position the rear lamp slightly lower on all of my bikes because of this.
Thanks for watching and the great (very true) insight
Using Micro USB must be an obvious insult from a UK company towards one (of the wisest) EU decisions ever. BROMPTOOOOON come on!!!!
the lights just came out and are already obsolete - noice
@@ChriFux Thats right. A good example how product management wants to play in a niche and ruled themselves out of the market. Not sure how large the available market segment finally will be within the Brompton crowd. Front light is only compatible on the original break levers, tail light only on original latest saddle version. And the lamps are only available as a pair, so if some customer potenially likes one of the both lamps but made changes to their bikes, needs to purchase both and let the other half laying around, what a waste.
I feel that wasn't the wisest move spending R&D money and resources.
Brompton should install a group of Beta testers before they launch product.
Once they hear I won’t be buying a USB charging light which is not USB C, they will obviously bring out a new model. 😅 (Don’t tell them that both my helmet light and my current seat post light and both USB mini charging!🤫)
The usb C model will be out in 18 months so you buy more lights
in France, we also have the bell on the right-hand side, as default settings 😊 a big thumb up for the video ! thanks 👍🏼
I am awful at bike maintenance, this is a great explanation 😊
Many thanks for watching, so glad it helped!
One wonders as a new product they aren't using USB-C for the charging connection, impossible to get that one wrong, nice set of lights, tho I run a 1600 lumen on the front of mine 😂🤣😂
Agreed, micro usb is delicate.
@@jon_underscore I ride a full size hybrid, not got a Brompton yet! I ride a lot of dark trails and I also find it encourages oncoming drivers to dip their headlights. 😀😀😀
Agreed. It should be a crime to sell anything with Micro USB in 2023. It also comes off as cheap with a premium company.
Just bought this set, thank you for the instructions! FYI, the bell is located on the same side as yours here in Europe, so no need to swap the bell.
Thank you! And thank you for watching!
I got these for Christmas today. Just fitted them (I wanted to fit them earlier but that seemed antisocial). They are great and brighter than I expected. Thanks for the installation video - saved me having to bodge it!
Happy Christmas!
Happy Christmas! Thanks for watching and so glad it helped!
My brakes don't have two holes, but I watched anyway :)
Many thanks for watching!
Me too!
Great video. Really tempted by these. Discovered your channel after getting my Brompton, and then discovered you're not far from me so will definitely pay a visit to the treasure trove that is Brilliant Bikes soon.
Thank you for watching - and the kind commend
We have a set on our demo P line - so you can seem them in real life if you come down and see us :-)
These look good. I'm using some Cat Eye lights at the moment, they are a bit messy. These look like they are very neat, i'm sold!
That’s what we thought, nice and simple. Thanks for watching!
Just brought these lights and fitted onto my new 2024 C line electric. Lights are great, bright and so easy to fit. One small point - my bell is right handed only. Only have the two (2) screw holes not the four (4) on the bell bracket so unable to rotate upside down.
Thanks for watching! Yes it’s funny the original instructions were actually wrong! Sorry!
Love your videos! And what a nice design! And yes it is weird that the bicycle industry seems to stick with the terrible micro-usb, just like the TV industry seems to stick with old school usb…
Thank you for making our day! Many maybeMaybe maybe one day we will have USB-C…….
An aftermarket mounting bracket for most saddle rails would sell big time. Surely that is a must!
Thanks for watching and the comment
There is actually a great mounting bracket for saddle rails (which at least fits the Brooks saddles) to allow mounting of CatEye rear lights
brilliantbikes.co.uk/light-spares/4458-cateye-rm-1-rear-saddle-rail-mount-bracket.html
We think it's unlikely that one will be made for the Brompton Be Seen rear light!
Oh Hanna, always tempting us with your New & Shiny bits, when will it end?! Hopefully not anytime soon!
U guys r so funny.... always make my day!
Thank you for making us smile! And for watching!
Brilliantly practical video!
Ha! And I've just got to the out-takes section. Even more brilliant!!
Thanks for watching all the way to the end! We really appreciate it!
thanks for this. I have just bought a new P line 12 speed and interestingly the "backing plate" on the bell only has one set of holes, so can't be transferred onto the left from the right. It's not a problem for me as I normally use other bells such as Crane or Spurcycle but it might affect others. Thanks as always..
Thanks for watching! Funny we made the video just after they were released when it was recommended they were fitted on that side, then Brompton realised and updated the instructions! 😫
I'm happy that my h6rd and my m6ld have light from generator hubs here in Germany
Thanks for watching and the comment
We also like the dynamo lights we have on our main Bromptons - these do make good "additional" lights - though not really a main light
Ergon Saddle got an mounting point for screws on the back, you should be able to mount it there too but it need a bit of reworking to work properly.
Good catch, otherwise we will never see the washers again.
02:02 I’m on Brompton’s mailing list, their video link shows the front light attached to the left brake lever and the bell on the right brake lever, yet the riders appear to be in the UK, yet the lights are set up in the EU way.
From what I can tell the front light isn’t pointing straight and level, it’s pointing upwards (like when poorly adjusted car headlights, when one is level and the other is pointing upwards and blinding oncoming traffic) because the brake lever is angled upwards, so it appears there is no micro adjustment, nice one Brompton (sarcasm). I wouldn’t want to angle my brake levers so far forward just to fit that light as I would need to overreach to cover the brake when necessary, let alone pull them, (even accounting for lever adjustment travel).
So still Exposure Trace & TraceR for the win, unless it’s unlit roads and the Trace is substituted for the Strada 800 with remote switch 😊
German here: Bell is on the right hand.
With the flashing I don't think they got the required certifications to be allowed on german roads. So with the requirements on the parts of the bike, micro-usb now when everything goes over to usb-c, giving it an outdated first impression on a brand new product, not eligible for the required light setup on the road, better alternatives, I would suggest to only stock the bare minimum.
Many thanks for your comment! I think Brompton tried to address the local regulations by adding a warning for the user to check it can be used in your territory!
@@brilliantbikes germany is fun. You can put a blinking light on your backpack or helmet, but not on the bike.
nice
Thank so much for watching!
Wonderful clip! Question: Do the be seen lights' work for the t-line as well?
Thanks for the kind comment, for watching and for the question
Yes - the T Line uses the "standard integrated" brake levers to which the front light attaches and the carbon superlight saddle with the mounting point for the rear light
My brompton, bought in Spain, has the bell mounted on the right.
Hello! On my Brompton M6R from the bell is mounted on the left side. The front brakes are also on the left side. When I went to the shop to pick it up in 2016 the brake layout wasn't in the european layout. They changed it quickly to the layout I'm familiar with. Even if the Be Seen Light Set won't fit to my «old» Brompton, I watched the video anyway... See you - Martin
Have you changed your camera? The quality is really nice. Looks kind of filmic.
Many thanks! Strange it’s the same camera, but we were in the Alps so wonder if the better air quality and bright light made it better….?
Clearer air and wonderful quality of light are special to the Alps... I am reminded of wonderful holidays in the Austrian Tyrol.
I bought a set of Be Seen. The leaflet does not suggest the front light be mounted furthest away from pavement but I can see the logic of the position. The rear light will become obscured if your untucked shirt tail or sagging rucksack droop down. Its a shame as i like the idea of the dedicated mounting hole for bracket underneath saddle. Opportunity for a Brompton hack.
I do not need "be seen" lights, my current Cateye set-up being more than adequate...
.. but I am interested in moving my bell (2019) from right side to left side, and installing the new two screw hole (2023) bell on the right. Yes, I want a two bell setup!
I believe this is possible. Am I right?
TIA.
How much do they weight, thanks!
I have seen a few tut tut tutting about the USB way of charging. What is the better way which manufacturers should be adoptng as I am still 'old school' charging from laptop, the train etc etc.
Many thanks for watching!
We prefer USB C
Cheers. I am going to discover this new C method right now @@brilliantbikes
Just been looking at the C. It reminds me of failsafe connectors in medical equipment. Time for Brompton to get on the new USB C bus at top speed. @@brilliantbikes
Any new on the rear Busch and muller usb light that I’ve paid for on back order
I am so sorry for the delay! I was told they should be with us last week, just been onto our supplier and they will be with us this week.
but why p line flame laquer is not available in online? thanks 😢
It should be with us soon!
Thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikesyou know the exact date release the p line flame laquer? thanks to answer me
My Brompton doesn't fill the criteria but I watched it to the end anyway. I use the same principle with extra lights higher up since I think it is better to send out photons than reflect someone elses 😀
When will these be available in the US?
So sorry we just don’t have a timeline for when Brompton will make them available in the US.
Thank you for watching!
What I find sad about choosing this light system is that I cannot use my favourite Brooks saddle. :/
Thanks for watching! Let’s hope we find a mount for them!
Please suggest between the grey borough bag large and the new reflective variation ? Is there any difference between the 2 .
We use both!
The reflective one will probably be used more now as ‘it’s reflective!’ So good for this time of year
It’s also more water resistant - also good for this time of year
It partially depends upon your liking of the colours
The capacity / features etc are the same
@@brilliantbikes thanks I guess for a 10€difference it's a good buy, I have a cloud blue it would be more appt.
Hello, I know this isn’t covered by the video but was wondering if you’ve combined the Brompton quadlock and the metro pouch on the handle bar?!? or you cannot use bpth on the handle bar at the same time? Cause I do not seem to make it work but maybe you guys have. Thank you.
Will the rear light fit on my original T-Line saddle?
We think so, but please check the back to see it has the mounting point.
Thanks for watching!
do you have links where to buy?😊
Sure no problem, thanks for watching!
brilliantbikes.co.uk/brompton-battery-lights/6019-brompton-be-seen-light-set.html
Hannah ❤
Thanks for watching!
The new Brompton Integrated Bell only installs on the right hand lever, despite specifications saying it can install on the left. (There’s only one pair of mounting holes, not two like the older bell shown in this video). So in the UK, if I got this light set I couldn’t mount it on the proper side. I like the new bell, it’s loud enough to get people’s attention unlike the old bell.
You're right, I posted on Reddit as couldn't figure what I was doing wrong and emailed brilliant bikes to let them know. I've still installed my light that side can use bell just a bit awkward.
@@mynameisntbobbybob haha, that was me replying to you on reddit
The bell is also on the right side on my Brompton bought in Germany
Klingel kann auch links montiert werden.
I wanted to get this but I have a Brooks saddle. What kind of grips are those?
Hint. Don't do things while on grass, particularly long grass. If you drop a fastener or other small component you will be very lucky to see it again.
Likewise at the top of a fire-escape ladder. You drop something then just listen to it clang clang clnging its way down then hitting the floor. Good bye.
lol! We wanted a nice back ground!
Thanks for watching!
bit of a pickle.... my bell mounting bracket only have 2 holes, yours have 4 so no way i can mount it on the left hand side. so the light will be on the left side heh
Thanks for watching!
Brompton realised this after we made this video and now recommend it is mounted on the left
To answer your question: The bell is placed on the right side on Bromptons, which are sold in Germany.
Thank you for watching and answering our question - now we know
So only people in UK / Australia / NZ / India (the old empire ;-) ) need to move the bell
@@brilliantbikesbut didn't you move the bell from the right?
Another question: I'm old but when I passed my Cycling Proficiency Test back in the sixties I'm sure flashing front and rear lights were not allowed on any vehicle. Is this no longer the case or do we disregard it now for safety reasons, does anyone know? Given that TV programmes have to warn people about flashing lights I am surprised if they are allowed...just curious, not critical.👍
@@judebrown4103 If you read the Highway Code, you can read all about the legality of flashing lights on bicycles. You HAVE read it since you passed your driving test, haven't you?
@@judebrown4103 As I understand it flashing lights are allowed but they should be in addition to a " normal " light.
How long did the lights last in the end?
We are going to do a proper test of them, as we had not even charged them before we ran them flat! We just wanted to show the red light!
We will do a short on it.
@@brilliantbikes I have them I just haven't fitted yet. Might try and make a 3d printed bracket so can fit on a brooks
I have a European Brompton and the bell is on the right
Selling them separately was too convenient, I at least hope that the light is brighter than the 25 Euro Chinese rear ones, which are already quite bright, if you choose well ❤
Thanks for watching!
Pretty sure someone will devise 3D printed adaptors that will allow these to be mounted in various places.
I think that’s a fab idea! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for always including the mistakes, gives me a laugh
lol! Thanks for watching until the end! 😀
As a Dane I can't remember on which side my bell is, but I have told my dear wife, that the damned contraption is built for riding in the left side! I originally bought the bike to be able to take it to Malta during our many vacations in our Danish Designed, built and owned village in Mellieha! But as now both 76 she won't allow me to take it down, as they haven't found out to change direction, as all other Continental members of the EU! Finn. Denmark
Half the time we can't get useful Brompton releases like this in the US. 😢
So sorry! Hopefully Brompton will get them to you soon!
Thanks for watching!
should be upgraded to USB-C charging connector, Micro USB is not of this time anymore...even apple phones have USB-C now....
(and still the Brompton Dutch and German Official websites don't have Metric specification dimensions.... )
Thanks for watching! I know I hate the micro USB cables!
Make sure it’s the right way round before putting it in hard , so many one liners in my head but being a gentleman obviously pressed the stop button. Song for the video = A Hard Day’s Night = The Beatles .
lol! No really I did laugh out loud! Thanks for making me laugh and for watching!
@@brilliantbikes Always a pleasure, never a chore.
‘They’re easy to install …’ 🙄
Nice lights, but what a faff!
2mm hex for bell
2.5mm hex for front light
3mm hex for rear light
Yeah, you'd think they'd pick a single size, would save money!
Funny we said the same when we were checking what tools we needed.
Thanks for watching!
I assume the answer is "No" or it would have got a mention, but does the rear light have an accelerometer in it to detect braking?
Thanks for watching - and the great question
Your assumption is correct - there is no brake / accelerometer function in the light (unfortunately)
No USBC, No Go🥲
I stopped watching. I don't even have a Bromton :-)
70 quid for micro usb charging 😢
Thanks for watching! Let’s hope they change in time!
I didn’t stop watching. I play by my own rules so get a different rule book.
lol! Thank you for watching!
usb-c!!!!!! please
Please don't watch our next lights videos:
They should cover G Line Be Seen Lights / New CatEye VIZ rear saddle mount light and new G Line front light
There is a lot of non USB-C involved (ducks head and runs for cover shouting ... don't shoot the messenger)
😂 ...if you are in Europe... 😂
micro usb is an insult in 2023
I did not know this was a old fashioned - what is the better way?
@@deepindercheema4917 the USB c connector is better