A Comparison of Premium Hand Grinders
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Manual grinding has exploded in popularity in the last five years, with dozens of premium hand grinder options on the market now that rival or best some of our favorite electric grinders. Of course, with so many models to choose from, it can be daunting to compare the features and benefits of each - and that's where we come in. As we encounter, test, and use new hand grinders (and add some to our catalog!), we take copious notes on how they all stack up.
This video takes a look at some of the most popular premium hand grinders available today. Steve will walk you through each model, grouped by brand, and give you a sense of where each one might be placed among the rest. We cover features, best use cases, strengths and weaknesses, all so you can rest easier when it comes to shopping for the best grinder for you.
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** A correction to the overview of the Kinu M47 Phoenix: Steve misspoke and said that the Phoenix was made of aluminum when he meant to say that it was made of steel. If you would like a more in-depth overview of the Kinu M47 Phoenix, you can watch our video on that grinder here:
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Grinder time stamps:
Hario Overview and Mini Slim Pro - 3:48
Grinding with Hario Skerton Pro - 5:49
Orphan Espresso Overview - 7:20
Lido Grind Adjustment - 9:35
Grinding with Lido 3 - 10:42
Lido Accessories - 12:20
Shortcomings - 13:42
Lido Wrap-up - 14:40
Knock Overview - 15:05
Aergrind vs Feld2 - 16:52
Knock Grind Adjustment - 18:38
Grinding With Aergrind - 20:26
Downsides - 22:05
Knock Wrap-up - 22:45
Helor 101 Overview - 23:09
Helor Adjustment - 24:44
Grinding With Helor 101 - 26:19
Helor Accessories - 27:59
Comandante C40 MkIII Overview - 28:22
Comandante Grind Adjustment - 29:17
Comandante C40 Downsides - 31:29
Grinding With Comandante C40 - 32:40
Comandante Wrap-up - 33:44
Kinu Overview - 34:08
Kinu Grind Adjustment - 34:41
Kinu M47 - 35:56
Kinu M47 Phoenix - 37:24
Kinu M47 Traveler - 39:12
Kinu Flavor Quality - 40:04
Grinding With Kinu M47 Phoenix - 41:54
Final Wrap-up - 44:00
Thanks for making this video! I'm one of the commenters on your text based comparison/explanation from a few years ago. glad to have this more in depth look!
wow. awesome video, thank you! those of us actually looking to expand our knowledge of coffee and don’t just want to be told what to buy appreciate this level of detail. 🙏
Holy crap, this is a great review! I looove the level of detail and the range of different models not only between different makers but also within them.
For some reason I read the title as Hand Grenades, but was still a good watch.
Are you in the market for a premium hand grenade?
A hand grenade you can use at home or at the office.
These hand grenades are built to last a lifetime.
@@takbongdoggie4105 god damn!
Very informative video. I just purchased the Kinu M47 Phoenix. It will be paired with my EMC Casa V. This is what I was looking for, a grinder that would give me great espresso shots without the $600 price tag of electric grinders. I don't mind the manual work and actually think it will be fun and more engaging than an electric grinder. I cant wait for it to get here and start making good cappuccinos. Thank you for the video. Aslo if you can make a video showing the kind of shots you can pull through the Kinu M47 Phoenix that would be great!
French press and occasional V60 brewer here. Such a useful video! I just bought a Lido 3 from you guys and I'm amazed at the built quality and the consistency of the grinds. (This is after years of using a lower quality Porlex grinder, which I understand is similar in quality to that Hario.) The difference really is impressive. And I really did want a larger capacity, so the Lido range was perfect. However, two things should be noted. 1) The adjustment mechanism is a bit fiddly. The included instructions help - you can tell they were written by an engineer! 2) As I assume with any move from lower-quality to higher-quality, suddenly the process becomes less forgiving with the higher expectations and lower variance in the grind size. The price of quality! One thing I don't like is the feeling and sound of screwing in or out the stainless steel catch cup. It's metal on metal. I think I'll be purchasing the plastic version of the grinds catch. So far I have not felt the need for the rubber rest or dosing funnel, but I'll be reevaluating that in the coming months.
Thanks again!
So after more than a week of use, I can say I am really enjoying the Lido 3. I solved the metal-on-metal squeaky-squeak sound and feeling by dabbing coffee oils from the catch directly onto the screws of the catch. Also, coffee oils work their way into the rest of the mechanism and so everything gets smoother over time - including adjustment. So that's two complaints dealt with quite easily. I didn't end up buying the anti-static plastic catch and am happy with the metal one now.
As the burrs are larger than all the other hand grinders shown here, grinding takes a bit more effort. (There are more beans between the burrs at any given time.) "Buttery smooth" is a bit of an exaggeration. So I went ahead and got the synthetic rubber rest from Orphan Espresso. I tried it today and it does seem to help with stability. If only I had been going to the gym all these years.
Great informative video!! Wonder if helor101 is good to use with flair espresso maker? Thx!!
Very smooth very informative thank you!
Very helpful - thanks! For travel, I use an AeroPress (inverted) for darkish coffee or my Staresso (minus the glass and glass holder, thus very compact and light for pumping espresso-like brew into my camping cup). For grinding, I only have a Porlex Mini, which is compact and rather light, but not brilliant. Which lightweight and compact grinder would be best for my two target uses above (espresso-like and darkish)? It seems the Aergrind is sort of just barely OK for espresso, right? And the K. Travel would be perfect, right? But heavier? Any orientation you can provide would be great. Also curious about the Helor, though it seems it‘s not easy to find in Germany.
GREAT video. I came today looking to find a good hand grinder for espresso. You helped me to make my choice and it will be the Lido ET Series.
Good choice!
If you use the Aergrind for the AeroPress, you can use the AeroPress funnel to get the beans in!
But yeah, I brought my Aergrind out of town the other weekend, and it was definitely slower and more work than I remember my Lido 3 being. Still a great option to have on the road. So glad to have my electric grinders for the daily home use.
Is there really any reason to buy a lido 3 instead of the et? Even if I never plan on doing espresso, the et having finer adjustments within the same range seems like there are no downsides? Especially considering that they are the same price.
Excellent review 💯 learned a lot Ty 🌱: )
I go with the C40. Used one of a friend and was totally impressed with the results.
For me the Comandante also is the most sexy thing in this choice. A "Red Sonja" is on it´s way to my door. ;-)
Thumbs up and many thanks for this informative video. Greetings from Germany!
JX Pro here. Very nice. No other frame of reference (my first hand grinder), but full steel construction, smooth, strong, does a great job.
Yeah! And better than comandante!
I love my Kinu M47 for espresso, and I love my Commandante for V60, Chemex and Aeropress ...
@UnderBridge Rock Definitiv, Comandante über alles, mein gutster😉
How would you say the Hario Mini Slim and Skerton compare to each other? Are they essentially the same grinding mechanisms in different sizes?
We would like to see some in-depth look for the grinders inside
45 minutes, wow! Nice in-depth review. I was hoping to see the lower-end Harios contrasted with a mention of the high-end (super-high-end?) more specialized grinders like the OE Pharos and Helor Flux for espresso, and OE Apex for filter - but then I realized that you don't carry those models, even though you do carry those brands.
We have plans to explore more of the other premium options that have hit the market recently. Keep an eye out for those in the next year!
So we have a new category for hand grinders now? Do they (OE Pharos, Helor Flux, OE Apex) compete with something like Lyn-Weber HG-1?
@@dwikafebrianto3016 Yes, there are a few hand grinders with 68mm/71mm/83mm conical burrs like the HG-One, Pharos, Flux, etc. These are primarily used for espresso. The Apex is unique among currently-available hand grinders in having large flat (machined) 'ghost' burrs. These grinders are big, heavy, and sacrifice portability for markedly superior performance.
@@baldheadracing So what category is it? Superbigass handgrinders? The size of the burrs are the same as the electric counterparts. I didn't know those grinders and haven't checked any review yet, but are their grind quality and grinding speed better than say Baratza Sette 270?
@@dwikafebrianto3016 The Sette is very fast for its price point (and relatively loud). Comparing electric vs. hand grind speeds isn't easy to do.
The biggest advantages of big conics are consistency and ease of dialing in. I have had the HG-One and have Pharoi and I would take either over any of the grinders in the review (or the Sette) - for espresso only.
Note, however, if the Sette 270Wi matches your preparation workflow, then that is a powerful advantage. Similarly, if you have a workflow that matches the Niche Zero (63mm conic), then that is the current hotness for "value-for-money" electric espresso grinders. I have no experience with either.
Which one was best for courser grinds?
Does the Aerogrind have recommendation for where to set if for Aeropress?
This seems great for Scout Camp. (Leader's luxuries)
The Aergrind is a perfect camping companion! If you're going to use it to grind for the Aeropress we recommend a 2.4. This means two full rotations and then aligning the dial at the 4. Happy brewing!
I’m new to hand grinding tools. And wondering how much different would it make to coffee taste if I use Porlex mini vs Commandante? The price point is quite different, so I believe they must yield different result.
Pachara Ram-Indra watch James Hoffman’s video on premium hand grinders just skip to the porlex you’ll get your answer in like 30 seconds
Sorry, a bit late here.. i had a porlex mini for very very long time, it worked really well in first few months. but after using it a lot, the consistency is getting worse, i found out that the "inner burr" is not actually centered properly and its a bit wobbly (the outer burr also wobbly). there's some mod that can reduce the wobble (using rubber band, etc), but still, not consistent at all, its like 50% fine and 50% medium coarse on fine setting. i can say that commandante is much better than porlex, *and it will last more longer than porlex*. i heard that porlex mini released a second version of it, that solved all that wobble problem, it looks the same as the first one but i havent tried it yet, and i havent seen the grind result of it.
Summer 2020. 5 months since any nearby shop has allowed the public to use their in house grinders and now that I'm looking for something at home nothing is stocked anywhere...
I just bought the Comandante. First impression - it is heavy! Feels really well built. Will be testing it soon.
Are you satisfied with your Comandante? I still can't make up my mind.
@@dwikafebrianto3016 I love it and now grind my own coffee most mornings. After using it several weeks, my thoughts are as follows.
Pros : high build quality, grinds fast, ergonomic handle, easy to clean, easy to adjust to replicate grinds
Cons: glass jar is not good if you travel a lot, hopper and jar are a little small if you're making coffee for more than one person
I use it for one person for French press at home so coarse grind performance, cleaning, and repeatability are the most important things to me.
@@juggernaut316 Wow thanks. I am considering to buy either Comandante or Kinu M47 Phoenix. Both are in the same price range, both are good but I think Comandante tends to be better at coarse grind, however Kinu's grind quality doesn't suck at coarse grind and it is good for traveling too. For overall design Kinu is better but Comandante is easier to replicate recipes (the clicks system is way easier to set and memorize). TBH, I can not afford both of them. In my country, Comandante is hugely popular but it's not the case for Kinu. And the risk for having Comandante here is it's easier to be stolen if I am not careful. I heard so many stories from baristas that lost their Comandantes. This is a quite hard decision for me.
I don't know about this, but is there an aftermarket product for Comandante's ground catcher that made from good quality plastic? If there's one, then Comandante is really the best one in the premium category.
@@dwikafebrianto3016 for me I don't grind espresso so I don't need the kinu, plus it costs more than the comandante. I would like to find a plastic jar for travel.
@@juggernaut316 I didn't mean the classic expensive Kinu. The cheaper and newer version Kinu M47 Phoenix (or Simplicity for the newest) is slightly cheaper than Comandante (or slightly more expensive for the latter). I think Phoenix and Simplicity is the same grinder with different name.BTW, it's good for you 'cause you didn't experience indecisive moment before buying a hand grinder
Excellent detailed review. Thanks!
When talking about some of the grinders you say “2.2 turns from zero” (for the knock aergrind as an example). Does this mean revolutions from zero or the numbered reference points? Just trying to get an idea of the range of rotation on some of these stepless grinders.
Exactly. When we talk about grind settings, especially for filter, we often reference the number of full rotations. In this case, 2.2 means two full rotations plus 2 numbers.
I bought a Kinu M47 classic from you a couple of months ago. One of the magnets slipped off the catch and got stuck on the base of the grinder. I noticed that a lot of the magnets stood proud of the catch so I pushed them all down flush. Then I was grinding one day and the catch dropped onto the floor. I guess I pressed the magnets in too far and there wasn’t enough grip to the grinder. Kinda miffed that my catch is damaged and it doesn’t grip very strongly anymore. Oh well, I guess it’s my fault for pushing the magnets in too far.
Kinu sells the 11 magnet receiver seperately. They also sell a plastic receiver for M47 on their website.
Kinu now sells a Pour-over Replacement Burr. Would be nice if you can test wether it is better for pour over, V60 and french press or not.
I seem to have an all metal c40 knockoff from Amazon. It doesnt have the glass grounds catcher and a magnet that holds the cap/handle assembly. It's a step mechanism and I got mine around 60. I love it so far and I am just using french press for now
I wonder if the red clix is compatible 🤔 if I get to that fine I'll consider trying it
Someone compare to 1zpresso grinders? Please? :P Lots of hype around JXpro and I got the K-Plus version coming! So I'd be curious to see how they do vs these high end ones, hopefully they're on par.
Thanks for the video, it helped me decide... p.s. i was distracted by the reflective surfaces in the shot
I noticed the aergrind had a stamped handle. Would that be an original kickstarter model??
Good eye! It was not a Kickstarter model, but it was an original run Aergrind we've kept around the office. We added the upgraded metal dial once those became available.
Any idea when the Lido ET will become available again?
I have a Lido ET and I'm a pretty big fan of it. I am living away from my coffee stuff now and I recently ordered a TIMEMORE C2 (costs about $70, but people say the output is far superior to something like the Porlex or Hario)
that looks alot like
www.amazon.com/Titanium-Coated-Adjustable-Selector-Consistency-Efficient/dp/B083LKPG7L
perhaps same with different branding, im having trouble laying down 200 for a hand grinder. do you like the timemore?
@@jamesderoc6717 that does look similar to the timemore, but it's not the same. I definitely like the Lido, and it worked well for espresso. The adjustment is definitely not as smooth/easy as the more common designs like how the one you linked adjust. But with the lido it is infinitely adjustable with no clicks, though making small adjustments precisely is a little difficult because of how the adjustment and locking rings work together.
As for the timemore, the outer build quality is really nice. It looks good. It feels good. It grinds quickly. I'm not so sure about the grind quality though. I think it makes a significant amount of fines.. But, I'm not experienced in evaluating grinds so I'm not certain.
Have you received the C2 grinder? I'd be curious to hear your impressions about it compared to the Lido.
I think the two that have me considering are the Kinu and the Airgrind. Leaning more Kinu. That click system with such granularity is pure insanity, in the best way possible.
Now just need to find some good roasts. It's amazing what changing up the brew method can do for your preferences.
Excellent runthrough and easy to understand for a coffee noob such as myself. (Found the Aeropress and am so stoked on it)
peace
I'm in the market for a premium hand grinder. I love strong dark roast coffee. I'm tossed between the Helor 101 or the the 1zpresso jx pro. Have any suggesions?
1Zpresso, by a mile
The M47 is the coffeegrinder-equivalent to my Zeiss Lens - I want this xD
How many steps does the Comandante have in total?
No timemore grinder ? There's nano version of it!
I would like to buy the kinu m47 classic, but you kinda scared me when you spoke about the muddy course grind.... especially because I would mainly use for aeropress or v60. In practical day to day use, is this really gonna be a huge issue for me? Is it worse than any of the others, or are you just being especially picky because of the price point? Either way, great video. Thanks
@@Elmer1953 your update is really helpful, I appreciate it. I'm looking for an awesome grinder for travel pour overs and maybe some day, manual espresso.
Would you say the Kino grinds quickly?
Alex Jobe hey Alex! Yeah, i use 25g of medium/course grind for my morning v60, I find it takes around 25-30 seconds. It’s such a pleasure to use, I can’t recommend it enough. I’m about to buy the filter coffee burrs that they’ve released just for interest sake, so I’ll do another update here once I’ve got that. Good luck!
Hi, first of all thank you for the great video!!! Well i am going to buy my first Manual Coffee Grinder and i was thinking at The Hario PRO, i know it is not the best quality but as first time and entry level i dont wanna something very expensive but yeah good enough for my neeeds!!!!Do you think is it good for a V60 or french press coffee???Thank you for your help :)
Buying a cheap grinder means you will buy the more expensive one later and spend more money than buying the expensive one only. You better start at least with the Aergrind, but I will recommend the Comandante vor V60 or french press because you will have less mudd and bitterness in your coffee.
Have had the Hario PRO for a few months now and use it with a V60. Very happy with its build quality and grind performance. Have seen no evidence of uneven grind, certainly nothing like to extremes reported by the viewer. The PRO is also a significant upgrade over the previous model (which I also have). You cant go wrong with this grinder which will provide years of service at a domestic level
@@23truro Ive had the hario pro for about 4 months and already looking to replace it (hence watching this video).Seems little point buying expensive coffee, and not getting the most from it with a good grinder. I’ve had two copies of it as the first one I bought direct from hario had loads of build quality issues (scratches, issues with screwing the glass container on, unevenness), and they sent me a replacement model for free. If you spin the pro model with no beans in you see that the burrs are not very well aligned with each other, so that you cannot grind very finely because the burr will wobble about and brush against each other. I haven’t tried a super expensive grinder yet so don’t know from experience of it will improve the coffee it makes, but lots of people says it does !
Really in-depth video. Well done! I believe the new MK4 C40 has resolved most of the issues mentioned in the video regarding the previous MK3.
Yeah exept the step between dot ... they could have put the red clixx stock on it..
@@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole Is that a big issue if you are only using it at the coarser end for V60 up to Cold brew ? To make it clear I've only had this grinder for less than 2 months mostly brewing light roasts in the Scandinavian style.
@@klarinetta honestly i dont see value in this grinder and i disliked how its built .... im glad the store took it back and reaplace for a 1zpresso j-max , switching between brew still is fantastic with clean number , no more clic counting ..ect
@@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole I've yet to have a problem going from V60 to French press on the Comandante. I don't get why steps are bad for brewmethods on the coarser side of the spectrum.
What's your recommendations on grinders to use with the Flair espresso maker, that also don't break the bank.
Do you have a budget in mind? The Kinu M47 Traveler or Lido E-T make very nice espresso-centric travel grinders but are not the cheapest on the list. Knock's Aergrind is a suitable espresso grinder for less and is very compact, we just find that it can be difficult to grind with the short handle.
I wish there was a tl:dr matrix to compare these. I feel like I could get this information at 20x the speed if they did that. Plus, they he really didn't talk enough about the taste difference. I have a french press, and he never talked about grinds that coarse.
So I found your site today because I was looking for a local coffee supply place. Wanted to come check some stuff out but finally decided Prima must be online only. Really interested in a hand grinder but want to do some more research on what exactly I want.
Check out our hand grinder comparison blog as well! prima-coffee.com/blog/a-comparison-of-premium-hand-grinders-for-coffee-and-espresso
new life goal: find the guy who smiles when they talk about me the way this guy smiles when he talks about kinu's grind settings☺️
Lili Sz Then you know what he thinks of when he looks at you this way 😂
@@ivoboehme But I'll live in blissful ignorance.🙃
Lili Sz Blue pill overdose 😂 Kinu's is on its way
@@ivoboehme 😁
There are various coffee grinders! I also use a coffee grinder to enjoy morning coffee every day. The video was very interesting. Also, I will come to play ♬ with love from Japan :)
Is the original M47...ideal for larger grinds for a French Press? In other words, are the larger grinds even? thank you! 😊
The Kinu grinders work very well for espresso but not necessarily for coarser grinding such as for the French Press.
Is the comandante mill ground Turkish coffee
have a Lido E and that Helor looks like a great buy. hmm
As a Lido3 user who's been using it as my main grinder for daily brewing, I've got to say that never grind a Lido in the mid-air! It's not bulky for no reason. You're supposed to rest it against your lap or belly, keep it close to your body, then do the work. Believe me, it's gonna be so much easier.
Great review! But I can't find most of them on Amazon... Sad.
Check them out at our site prima-coffee.com!
Pity you didn't get the Knock Feld47 to compare it to Kinu 47, that would be a great thing, cause nobody compared them properly on youtube yet.
Which one is better for espresso machine?
Still using the original Skerton, will use it until it dies and then switch to a more premium model, but until then, i upgraded the grinder with an insert, that takes out most of the wobble while grinding. This improved the grind quality significantly. I would like to see a hand grinder, with very easy grind adjustement, all above solutions are more or less as cumbersome, as the Skertons.
Are you talking about the duct tape mod?
i donot know why 1zpresso in not included in list, why you have missed that?
That isn't a brand that we carry.
I've been manually grinding with my ROK GC for about six months now and I can't imagine ever wanting another grinder. I really love it.
I never use ROK grinder. Do you use it for pour over?
@@dwikafebrianto3016 I do. I use it for pour over or drip. Super easy to use and looks great on the kitchen counter.
@@smartin5534 ROK Grinder is meant to be used as espresso grinser, isn't it? I agree it is easy to use since we don't use so much hand power, but for grind setting? I heard you can easily lose your grind setting and it is stepless so you can not remember exactly where you were at. Is it true?
@@dwikafebrianto3016 I heard that too so I made a little mark on the wheel. However, after more than a year of use, I have never lost my grind setting, so it's been fine. And yes, it does espresso grinds, but it is built to do everything from French to espresso.
@@smartin5534 I see so it's been no problem for you when you change grind setting from pour over to espresso and vice versa, isn't it?
can help . me please i wanna buy a timemomore c2 but i wanna know if can tell me if is better than hario grinder pro that help me to take a good decition please
The Timemore C2 is a high-quality grinder for the price. It has a full grind range with a stepped adjustment that make it easy to use. We definitely recommend it.
You missed the 1Zpresso grinders with full metal parts that easy assemble and clean !
Not what they carry though my friend.
We do plan to expand the written comparison further as we're able to bring in and review more premium hand grinders. The market has exploded with more products in recent years and it's hard to keep up with them all!
I reviewed them
Try the ‘Silberthal’ grinder it’s excellent and a great price, with steel burrs on Amazon
yeah the 1zpresso kinda destroys atleast 80% of these grinders
If the prices of KINU M47C and Feld 47 2023 are the same, what more do you recommend? For convenience, Feld 47 looks good, but the important thing is the taste, so please recommend it.
Speaking of different ways to adjust a grinder, there’s word for both styles: analogue and digital. A digital would depend on discrete states, such as 1, 2 and 3, where as an analogue one would allow you to freely choose from an infinite list of options.
I have had a Hario skerton pro for 6 months and honestly as long as you don’t want super fine espresso than this is the best value for money, make sure it’s the pro model though
Best imo, Comandante for pour over and kinu for espresso.
THIS 👆🏻
What happened to Helor? Now Option-O, and they do not offer the 101.
We haven't been able to get a restock on Helor grinders since they closed for the Lunar New Year. We are hoping for an update soon.
Are you guys going to supply the OE Apex anytime soon??
No word on that just yet, but we'll definitely make an announcement if we do!
what a huge coffee nerd!...at least now I'm not alone on this world
OMG, he's still going! When I see things like this my hope in humanity is renewed. In the utopian future, we will all be able to explore in this kind of deep detail anything in the world that fascinates us. This dude is an afterimage of our futures.
Nice review, i planned on ordering a feld 2 from your website but i see that you are not currently selling it or taking backorders on your website. Why is everyone reviewing this knock model when they are not available? It seems that the knock supply chain in general is unreliable for all their latest models. 🙁
Possibly the manufacturer does small batches; and there is a lot of demand. I bought mine from Knock directly, so I know your plight.
Restock situated for around May.
Yes, at the time of shooting we did have stock and expected to keep them in. At the very least this comparison can serve to keep folks informed if they are considering buying one on the secondhand market.
brilliant
Thoughts on cast-iron-burr grinders?
Thank you for this wonderful, in-depth review! It was really helpful and informative. Massive help for me as I look for what is going to be the best hand grinder for me. (Super picky side note: excessive amount of ‘um’ and ‘uh’ going on)
i didnt think this was gonna be coffee until i saw the username
Timemore should be in this bunch!
We're planning to add more models to the comparison list in 2020, Timemore included!
@@primacoffeeequipment include the Timemore Nano please! Thanks.
Seems you guys are out of the Kinu I want.. How soon before restock??
Which one is best for pour over?
The Comandante and Kinu are both great options for pour overs, but the new Timemore Plus line, that is not featured in this video, is producing some really great results as well. We definitely recommend you check them out!
Which would you recommend for v60?
Yutaka Hitomi i have the same question. I think I’ll go for the lido ET.
Comandante
I have the KINU M47 and Aeropress.. WHAT SETTING tho?
We have a guide for that! community.prima-coffee.com/posts/27153917. TLDR; 2 revolutions + 30 lines
@@primacoffeeequipment wow, I got it. thank you °°!!!
great!
Aergrind vs timemore slim?
Holy crap! The cost of these higher end manual grinders is ridiculous...
Not really, compare to the price of a higher end electric grinder! :D
And not worth it. Take my word for it...
Which is stronger, Kinu M47 or Nokia 3310?
Hm, so I find myself Comandante not clear enough, cant imagine how would Kinu work for me. :D I guess my flavor buds are too spoiled now..
If you have the money to buy Kinu, please just buy the Phoenix so you don't spend your money too much. I guess Kinu is better than Comandante when you need coarser grind settings like you want in Aeropress. A runner-up Aeropress 2019 championship in my country used this grinder when competing. No one but him use the grinder. Honestly, I want one so badly
@@dwikafebrianto3016 Nah, no manual grinder will fix this. This require some 60mm+ flat burrs. :D
@@corwinblack4072 so 55 mm flat burrs won't satisfy you either? You can;t say that man. I witnessed this in 2019 Aeropress Championship in my country. A single contestant using the most expensive Kinu M47 beat other contestants using EK43. You know man, grinder alone is not the ultimate solution for coffee deliciousness. I admit grinders are the heart of coffee making but again, we don't need the best heart in the world in order to live well, just a good heart is sufficient.
@@dwikafebrianto3016 Kinu M47 is so much prettier than the Phoenix though....
Both look nice, but I LOVE the look of the M47. I want one haha
@@AudreysKitchen It is not the case when you're in a tight budget. It's either M47 Phoenix, or Comandante. I myself haven't decided yet between those two and this thinking makes me balding quite literally.
What is the Best grinder for French press coffee that will fill a 20 ounce coffee cup?
For that large of a batch (about 35g of coffee), we would recommend the Lido 3, because it has an enormous hopper and can grind well for all brewing methods.
Which one is able to grind Turkish coffee
I don't use the others but you can easily grind with Kinu or Comandante.
so nowthe SS grinder is better than ceramics??
This is a tough question. I don't think it has ever been argued that ceramic burrs, which are on some of the entry-level hand grinders like those from Hario, are better than stainless steel burrs. In general, one is not better than the other; they are just different materials with different advantages. However, it is the case that most premium hand grinders use stainless steel (or a titanium-coated stainless steel) burrs.
Kinu has removed the click-mechanism from the Phoenix model.
and is it bad ?
cozma75 No. It was just confusing, as they have not updated the manual yet, and I initially thought that something was wrong with mine. I have it for about four weeks now and I love it. Use it several times each day, for different beans. For me, it is a perfect way to have a single dose grinder at hand.
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Realistically, choosing an electric is relevant when you have to do back to back shots. On 1 dose it's 20 seconds longer than electric and have to put some effort in.
Also, using kinu (that's all I have) can be difficult for a woman in the espresso range.
If things go bad ,, coffee will make a difference
I have the Comandante C40. It does come both with plastic and glass grounds jars so I don't see that as a problem traveling with it.
I'm very impressed with the ground quality specially at the coarser range as it's more difficult to get even grinds at the coarser end. It works beautifully for french press and Hario V60 Tetsu Kasuya model. And what a joy to pair it with the Walküre Karlsbader coffee maker.
And to be honest your grinder has to look nice. I don't want to display things that are not beautiful in my kitchen and my coffee corner is something that is on display at every single time.
Ps. Okay I see now your are talking about Commandante MK3 not the current MK4. I always just say C40
We are currently working on an updated version of this video with some of the grinders we have added to our collection, including the C40!
so many hand grinder reviews and no one grinds any damn coffee in any of them
I do, check out my reviews. I grind coffee, make coffee, make espresso. I properly use anything I review...but then I'm not a retailer.
Dude there is literally a timestamp in the desc. of when he grinds coffee
Now. Please do the review again concentrating on the FLAVOR differences and strengths of each grinder for different brew methods: who wins for espresso? Who wins for V60? For aeropress? For Moka Pot. After all Commandante has won World Brewers’ championship. It seems to be default choice as is Aeropress or Hario V60 are themselves.
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Why this video pursue me from recommendations?
45:00 long and no mention of the prices.
1 minute in this lineup looks hella like the lineup James had in his video
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If you close your eyes you can hear AwakenwithJP
I have a feeling they are all taking a piss, there's absolutely nothing in making of those that justifies 300 and up price range. Those burs could be made of titanium and still cost about the same.
Research and development, precision engineering, quality of end result. It's not just about the materials and cost of building.
I would buy the rok grinder aaaaall the way, instead of one of these
“Let’s get straight in to it”, on 3.5 minutes.
Just bought a £17 hand grinder but it had 4.5 stars on amazon so 😂
LOl why no HANDGROUND
In our experience the Handground would be classed with the Hario hand grinders mentioned at the beginning of the video.
Why tf are you not using a cordless drill to crank those?
We've tried that with a few of them! The Knock grinders, the Comandante, and the Helor 101 are the easiest of the bunch to chuck a drill to. The Lidos and Kinus would require some additional hardware to make it work.
@@primacoffeeequipment I use one on my hario without issue.
I played around with this idea but found it isn't worth the trouble of keeping a drill in my kitchen.
Some people say it may break the grinders due to not being designed for such high torque, also if too fast, you could heat up the burrs / beans which degrades quality, but I'm not sure if it would really get hot enough to affect anything grinding just 18g of coffee though.
It's good to get a little exercise in the morning anyway :D