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I can see from the thumbnail that you have the new Feld47 from MBK in there. However I've been unable to find reviews on it, and you don't seem to mention it :( How does it compare to the commandante and 1Z presso in terms of espresso and workflow? :)
I only had 1 grinder which I slightly regreted buying. The big revelation in my coffee journey is water. After I upgraded my water, all of my grinder regrets (almost) instantly gone away hehe
@OhDearBabajan he means you make your own water. I have a Zero Warer jug that makes pure H2O. Then I mix in Trird Wave Water powder mix of minerals and salts to make "ideal" brewing water. There are other jugs and other powder mixes or solutions ( April Water). I must say, coffee is better now.
This would make a great flowchart. Have the user select the different preferences and have it spit out 1 to 3 grinders as a recommendation. Thanks for all this info Lance!
That would actually be super dope. Espresso, coffee, hybrid, price range, manual, electric, even flavor profiles, etc. Tons of variables to play with too.
Thank you for making a "neutral" video, one that doesn't increase the FOMO, but makes one reflect on what is ones personal need before finding a grinder. Excellent work of both you and your team 👍
One of my best lessons was buying THE BEST GRINDER I CAN AFFORD, and then focusing heavily on the coffee itself. This approach was well worth it for me. And the one I always preach: WATER!!!! Don't skimp on this. You'll be surprised by how good your grinder actually is!
TRUE! It's like I was surprised at how good my JX pro is! I thought it was muddled but it has great clarity for an espresso biased grinder@@Jeremy-kg1zr
I have a Kingrinder K6 and can't be happier. It does what it's supposed to do grinding for espresso, moka pot, french press and melitta/v60 being able to dial in nicely on every method.
Same. I bought finally in first grinder the k6 and it is extraordinary! And in Europe I had for 95€, it is very cheap price for a handgrinder who is equal to best handgrinder or close. Fast grind, nice, quality grind,... Insane. Maybe later I will try a kinu but not before long time 😂 or maybe an electric but when I will need it and I will need a high quality electric grinder if I want to beat my k6!
i got a turin sk40 a few months ago and i love it. first electric grinder I've owned. I'm not looking for a replacement but i cant stop watching these videos hahahahaha
This video came at just the right time! Our Sage/Breville machine with built in grinder has died. My husband then tried tinkering with our backup grinder, a Rancilio Rocky, decided to do the wiring while it was plugged in (?!) and caused a literal explosion. It got burnt inside. Husband survived with just a mild electric shock. Anyway... now we are shopping for a grinder. A frustrating unplanned expense, with endless choices and every machine has a flaw. I am really glad of this video (and of your previous honest feedback on the Niche, as I am also someone who enjoys funky, fruity speciality coffee as well as the chocolatey basic dark roast vibe). Hoping to make a grinder choice soon...
@@ftj8279 we went with a Niche Duo! Wanted the workflow but with flat burrs, we’ve had it for a few months and no regrets. It’s a joy to use and simple to dial in new beans.
note re. handgrinder: i just got shipped a medium roast bean, super compact little shi..thing. my j-max, which imo is an great purchase with awesome value, found its master, or rather i did. i weigh about 88kg @ 1.84m (me not tiny) and those beans, i means those beans.... i had to take breaks, or rather was forced to, simply due to the insane amount of brute force that was required to grind them. tldr; if you're into specific beans/roasts, check how well a hand grinder /you can handle that. i kid you not.
I would love a video about your top 5 grinders with ideal burr set for filter, espresso, and for both methods. So 3 lists, regardless of price, and based on the enjoyment you derive from drinking coffee from these grinders.
I cannot overstate the importance of a grinder in the setup. I have a v60 kit and a manual grinder that cost about twice as much or more than the v60 kit but when i started out it was using my dads old $50 burr grinder and stepping up to the manual was a HUGE difference. The coffee went straight from a muddy, terrible cup of coffee to a truly delicious cup of coffee that i feel like i can actually do small changes and notice a big impact.
Given my very limited budget, I bought a Fellow Opus about a month ago. I'm VERY happy with it. I'm new to espresso so still experimenting and it seems up to the job. The Opus and a V60 means I can finally make consistently delicious coffee at home. The plastic body doesn't bother me as long as the working parts are decent quality. So far so good at a very good price. Maybe after the kids finish college I'll look at something higher end but at this point its hard to imagine needing to.
After having made these decisions multiple times my new takeaway: get a hand grinder for pourover and a dedicated electric espresso grinder. That way you have two devices dialed in at all times. Hand grinding is underrated imho.
Love this video!! I'll be sharing this with anyone looking to buy a grinder in the future. I've followed your grinder advice two times already and it hasn't failed me, so thank you for doing this video🙏🏻
I preorderd the baratza sette before it was released. I used it with my la pavoni and then flair. It broke just out of warranty. They said they could fix it and just pay shipping or they can send the motor to me for free. They sent the motor and directed me to a video to change it. It was such a breeze. I was so impressed by their support that I bought the updated bartza sette 270wi and moved the old one to the office. Great company and the motor/drive looks like the uss enterprise!😅
that's amazing!!! just exactly the kind of experience i'd look for - a company actually supporting their product. idk if all their machines are super loud though...
amazing video! now i think sort of know what is meant by traditional espresso - which is dark roast and with its nuances supressed by the heavy roasting.. really good to learn from a real pro
Just ordered a Baratza Sette 270 because its cheap (relatively speaking). I don't really have a nuanced enough palette, nor do I buy expensive enough beans to justify an expensive grinder. I am using a Gaggia Classic Pro (with PID + 9 bar OPV mod). I mostly make cappucinos and other milk based coffees which require espresso as the base.
You are awesome sir. So knowledgeable and v charismatic. Starting to think about upgrading my Sage smart grinder for single dose espresso in the 3-500 range.
One thing I'll look for in my next Grinder... messiness! Have a barratza encore I upgraded with the M2 burr. Love the grind but grounds live in that chute and come out at random intervals into my counter.
Im perfectly happy with my Eureka Mignon Single dose, just exactly what i need, maybe not not perfect to some, but im happy with my purchase... straight to the end game (at least for me) from day 1 rather than experimenting with cheaper ones and then ending up hopping on another grinder.
yeah, i found if you go too cheap or you REALLY want a specific one and buy something more 'budget' you risk spending the money twice. so it's cheaper to go with higher price/ higher quality grinder right out of the gate.
Hey Lance. I enjoyed your opinions and insights, but I think you should look more into editing in names and images of things when you mention them. In this video you name many different grinders and for anything I’m not super familiar with, the names just fly over my head really quickly. Being able to see the grinder and its name would really help me remember what you are talking about at any particular moment. That or you could look to add captions (but that may be more work, I’m not sure). Other than that, great guidelines!
Please remember this: the #1 obstacle consumers face when setting their budget for grinders is not whether they are willing to spend 1grand on their passion and their hobby, but it is the judgement they face from family and friends. Do you see what I mean, you are speaking to people who are listening to you and totally have been convinced on the value of investment in coffee gear, but the #1 obstacle that they are facing, and therefore you are facing, is convincing their family and friends as well. If you do not do this, then you are isolating people from their family and friends who do not support them in their hobby because they are not convinced. Sure, if they taste it, they may easily be convinced, but that is only if they have the same high level of passion for coffee. This is why I was so so excited that I was able to justify my purchase of the x-pro to my family. You may say, "well we will just focus on those who are passionate about coffee as a hobby and those who have family and friends that support that hobby, thanks." But what I am pointing out is the obstacle that needs to be addresses in order to expand, and grow the hobby and specialty coffee industry so that farmers and buyer and roasters can do more.
Thank you for the video Lance. Honestly this added more questions for me though. I know what we need and could answer all of the questions posed, however, I don't know enough about the current grinder market to know what options there are in the first place. To me this is what grinds my FOMO. I wish there was some kind of interactive chart where it would show you some options so I could limit my research. The thought of having to read reviews for 50 grinders (not knowing if I have missed any) is pretty daunting. I am leaning towards the Niche Duo right now due to having a likely 80:20 espresso:filter ratio. I like the form factor and the ease of swapping.
Nice video as always, Lance. Thank you for taking the time to make and post it for us. I like to learn things for myself and compare them and happen to be in a situation where I needed (well, subjectively) an electric grinder for a short period of time before a move so I picked up an esp. It has been a great opportunity to compare it to my hand grinders C2 and K6. It really blows my mind how much value the K6 offers. It is almost always on sale for $100 and at half the price of the esp it has slightly better adjustability and a better flavor profile (for me). Now, I am not sure why I prefer the espresso from the K6 and even the modified C2 but I do. I mean functionally. I understand why I preferer them taste wise. You could say it is the burr size, I guess, but the C2 has a similar sized burr to the encore. Maybe it is the rpms or the speed at which the coffee is ground. I will say that it seems like the esp is making the most fines. The K6 produces the fluffiest and least clumpy coffee of the three and I feel that I can grind finer with it before choking the machine. Regardless, the K6 gives me the most balanced cup of the three. It tends to bring out brightness in coffees that the others don't. (I like a more medium-dark roast espresso focused blend.) Anyway, point being. I always heard people say how much value a hand grinder offers, and I guess I took mine for granted. There is nothing wrong with my esp but the K6 is a much, much better value in terms of making a good cup of coffee (espresso in my case). The esp is slightly more convenient though, but not really much faster. All of that said, what I have learned is that my next grinder will be stepless. Right now, if I want to go from a 25 second shot to a 27 second shot I need to adjust by dose. With my particular coffee about 3/10s of a gram of coffee needs to be added or subtracted. Because if I adjust by one click on the esp it is going to be more like a 29 second shot. Just an example. And I have also learned that that one or two-seconds difference make be the difference between a coffee I like and I coffee I love. Not really a coffee I like and one I don't though. I guess I am getting to the point where I want to make coffee slightly more enjoyable, or get the most out of it, rather than making a decent cup. Or something like that. Just my ramblings. Thank you again for the video. I enjoyed.
I heard a mention of audiophiles and other hobbies for comparison to a coffee hobby. Snobbery, in my opinion, isn't spending money in a hobby, it is the elitism of telling people what they like is inferior. The whiskey community at the Whiskey Tribe says it best, the best whiskey is the one you like, how you like it. I will not look down on my dad who lived most of his life with instant and enjoys itor my niece who enjoys a sweet desert like Starbucks. I'll enjoy a Starbucks or Dutch Bros coffee too because they're really desserts and different experiences. We can all get along! I'll likely get a higher entry level grinder or a lower mid level (from your price ranges). I currently use a Kingrinder k4, and for now I'm content. I enjoy your content. It's a fun world to learn about.
Good coffee first, next good grinder. I have been using a Flair 58 with the Arco. I got a Titus Espresso grinder earlier this year and got a Brevelle infusor on Prime day and the spent more on different baskets and tamper--Great espresso
I've recently upgraded mine because I kept noticing the espresso at my local coffee shop always tasted much better than I could make at home with the same beans and I always found it slightly disappointing. I've worked out I like the higher clarity. That's the key thing to do, in my opinion: upgrade where you can tell there's a weakness. If you like what you make at home more than what you can get elsewhere, there's absolutely no point dumping a ton of money on new equipment. You can't miss what you haven't had.
@@lohvrti There's nothing "wrong" per se, but if you've watched Lance's video on conical vs flats, the Niche is very definitely on the chocolatey, high body end of the spectrum he mentions. I've realised that my preference is further down the spectrum towards the other end. Especially if you like lighter roasts, the Zero has a tendency to bury some of the more delicate flavours.
I'm a beginner but I've had a cheap espresso machine for 9 years (Delonghi 310). I've had a Dualit Burr grinder but it doesn't grind fine enough to 'dial in' an espresso grind. Having listened to tons of reviews it seems the Baratza Encore ESP would be a good step up for me. So far (!!!) I don't have a refined coffee palate but I hope that may change with a better grinder.
I find it amazing that Lance has sub 200k followers on YT when he's been putting out such awesome content for this long. I'm following you since your first video and loving your style and the wealth of knowledge that you are sharing. I hope that you will continue!
have you ever or would you ever do a video(s) about specialty Turkish coffee? i got the comandante for my new Turkish pot im gonna try, but also for home spro in the future.
I really liked your video, it's well done for a newbie and mid-tier coffee consumer. The only surprise in your video as a Canadian is that you spelled "flavour" as a commonwealth country and not an American who spell it flavor. Daddy Hoffman would like "flavour."
I'm from the US and I put the U in 😮 I didn't know this was wrong (here) haha. I'm pretty good at spelling at this point in my life as well 😅. I do, for some reason, actively prefer Grey to Gray though 😂
Kudos to Lance for reporting grinder burr separation to compare grinder performance. An actual number for microns per adjustment mark allows a real comparison, df83 has 10.4 microns/mark, a Rancilio Rocky 11.1, and so on. Makes me wonder again why stepless is so important for espresso grinders when some stepped have 10 micron steps, and a 0.001" burr misalignment represents a 25.4 micron fluctuation in actual burr separation.
great review, i agree about the quality hand grinder bit, as I dug deeper into the espresso game(I blame you lol), I snagged a JX Pro on ebay for 80 best offer, my thought process was it took me longer to dial in the BBE grinder and I knew that once i dialed in the hand grinder the adjustments were a lot better and tastewise was not even in the same ballpark.. also longevity , i believe some say the JX series lasts for 20,000 + uses
Hi Lance! Just discovered you a couple of weeks ago, Burr Daddy, and I love everything you do here. Sending love from Canada 🇨🇦 ❤! I’ve tried grinding coffee with my dry carafe on the Vitamix and the coffee had no taste, as if I had just plainly soaked the beans in hot water. I’m starting a little manual grinder collection and just bought SSP burrs for my Ode Gen 1. I’m afraid I may develop GAS... 😄
I have a (nice) dedicated espresso grinder. For drip (v60 & moccamaster), I’m using a Baratza Encore with upgraded burrs. What’s the ‘best’ electric grinder for drip?
great overview of different factors, and the way you'd narrow down to a good grinder for the particular individual! i wish you could have put up the picture of some of these grinders when you referenced them (just a screen-in-screen) so we could get more familiar with the names plus attributes of the diff ones. i got the little K2 initially for filter coffee and it's both nice to use and fast. espresso took a while. so i later got the izpresso's epresso grinder and man is the build quality nice!! magnetic cup is clutch. one of my fav features on it. the fold down handle is interesting, too, like it would make good sense for travel. but honestly if traveling i'd grab the K2 and just take a bit longer grinding. having a manual is FANTASTIC if you travel around a bit, or visit friends or family with bare kitchens. (last time i visited my mom in fl, suddenly she didn't have even an electric grinder. wtf??? we ALWAYS had one. so here was me and some beans and no way to coffee them. then i grabbed a grinder from the grocery store (yeah, i know) to do in a pinch and this was THE worst one i have EVER used in my life. powder and boulders. a damn disgrace. returned and got a diff model and that was ok for what it was. NOW, i can bring the K2, and for SURE have no coffee issues relying on other peoples beans, grinders/or not, or brewing methods. basically i do a metal basket filter on a mug and do a cheater french press which is honestly SO easy to clean up that i stopped bothering with the french press. immersion is immersion. lol) i keep coming back to the niche, tho as the grinder i want to save up for. aesthetics for sure. but then the sound is hella quiet compared to that get-plane barazza. and it seems to do filter and espresso reasonably well. the wild card on grinders, i think, is RELIABILITY. and customer support through this, and making things right. so many companies these days do not back their product and so you'd be out the money. *EASY REPAIR would be another. or even upgrade.* it's nice if things are accessible and there are parts available. then you don't have to worry as much about longevity. so, *the gaggia seems to be that, for espresso machines. i wonder what the pick would be for grinders?* you know, so if you picked up one used or even broken, that you could fix it (and not need to be an engineer, just have some decent skills and the inclination to.)
Trying my luck asking the community: 1. Budget: mid range around 500€ 2. Electric Grinder 3. right now AeroPress and FrechnPress - looking into Filter, Vietnamese ( Espresso maybe in the funture) 4. Single Dose, Small Footprint, Modern Style (not bulky), if possible quiet 5. Consumer, but I know how to tinker 6. Flavour Profile: Choclatty nutty with a lot sweetness and less acidity,
Good reasons to by a new grinder Lance... or you bought coffee for your espresso machine and cant seem to grind fine enough to prevent every shot being a turbo shot ... some of my coffee providers roast the coffee on the limit to be espresso suitable for the mass home brewers(specialty coffee). Meaning you need a grinder that can grind specialty coffee fine enough to keep the shots between 25-35 seconds = expensive grinder. Please enlighten me if I am off on my perception :-)
Nearly a year into owning my Eureka and they’ve probably got me for life. You will eventually need to clean your grinder and it’s one screw to get to the burr set. Makes beautiful espresso and does well with AeroPress but it’s probably not the best for that
Awaiting the Sculptor 078S to compare to my conicals. 95% espresso for me, then French Press or Cold Brew. Will roast a couple pounds beans to just barely out of yellowing, and grind them all through it to hurry up the seasoning. Maybe then I’ll have something decent to try my hand at pour over. Might order another (very similar) grinder in the meantime though.
Hey Lance! Everybody always talks about filter vs espresso. But what about those of us who mostly do Esspro “French press”? We love espresso also but the press pot is 80% of what we do. Don’t mind a little grit. I tend toward medium roasts and do like it when the sweetness of the bean comes out. Right now I’m doing Guatemalan coffees but love beans from different origins. Would you recommend a grinder for us? We have a very old 15 + years [?] Rocky Rancillo and have never replaced the burrs. Or maybe recommend a burrs set? Not worried about noise or aesthetics of grinder but am most concerned about really good flavor.
@lanceHedrick. I need your help. I need a rad espresso machine. I have been doing research for weeks and was set on a Mara X. But your review kinda deterred me. I have a max budget of 2k. I’d like a PID, flow control machine. Recommendations?
my experience so far suggests that for budget and mid baratza is the way to go. 'just works' and they were designed to be repaired. i went through 2 fellow ode2s and got the impression it really didnt like being taken apart (wobble sounds change as you take it apart and reassemble...). niche zero is also great for traditional espresso hit and get great results. fancier "clarity" grinders is a whole other thing.
Thanks for the great video and agree with all the criteria you state. Only caveat is with the Eureka suggestion. I was convinced to get the Specialita grinder when I got my espresso maker and I have absolutely hated it. The inconsistency in output, both in grind quality and volume is infuriating. Same exact times but output can vary up to 5 grams...
@@LanceHedrick Thanks for the reply and that was my next step. I really want a single dose but responsible me is looking hard at an option for the Specialita with bellows.
I have a barateza virtuoso + . It’s great but I am looking to step up for espresso and I’m not sure what budget it’s worth going to. If I’m gonna be under $300 am I better sticking with this? What machine would be a step up
I have the 64 Grinder the 3 version and so far works well and is easy to clean . As my home is in Bali the price was low 360 US . In my opinion, this is a great value. (great for espresso)
I mainly do filter. But I want to get a grinder that does both filter and espresso. I am willing to pay high/luxury price. And I DO NOT want to have to do any tinkering. I am turned off by presales/waitlists and would prefer to buy a grinder from a reputable company and is immediately available/in-stock. Any recommendations that would fall under those preferences???
So I have a varia hand grinder and I really do hate it - it’s a fight with some beans (had it 2 years), I’m open to suggestions for a step up. Is the 1zpresso K max easier to grind or should I just grab the varia vs3? I’m just a pour over guy that makes 3-4 cups a day
Great video, as most of yours are. I'd like to see a review of Star Seeker Edge Plus 63mm Conical. There is only one review of ii done by a home user in Europe. I'd also like to see a comparison review of all large conical burr grinders that are 47mm and larger.
Feed me a fish and feed me for the night. Teach me to fish and feed me for a lifetime... This is what you just did Lance.... Thank you! We will have great coffee for a lifetime! Slainte' be well! ✌️
The most important feature for me in a grinder is the quality of the coffee output and the absence of lumps. Of course, it is important not to keep coffee inside the grind. I don't care about things like sound and body material. Considering these things, what model is the best grinder that you can suggest for me under 1000 dollars?
Lance, as I expected I enjoyed this video and learned a lot from it and was comfortable with it even though I had already made up my mind and bought my grinder. your previous videos plus other peoples reviews helped me to make up my mind, and for that I think you. if you are curious, my choice, which fit my requirements very well, is the Eureka Oro single-dose. again, thanks. -Toby
I'm listening to this video with Bowers & Wilkins headphones while sipping Yemeni coffee and staring at a color calibrated screen. I'm here to add to my goodie room.... 😋
I went to a local dealer for some advice and they told me the Baratza Encore ESP is not suitable for light roast coffee beans. 🤔 Is this correct or is he trying to sell me a more expensive grinder? Currently own a manual KINgrinder K6 how does that compare to the Encore ESP?
@@LanceHedrick I traded emails with Kyle the other day. He is still there. Kyra retired. Great folks. I did some beta for them a dozen years ago. Nice vid, BTW.
Next to my 3 handgrinders, i've spent 160 euros for a refurbished "like new" Baratza Sette 30 which i love. For the amount i paid, i am losing on material quality, but i got easiness and good enough grind quality.
Simple question: when talking manual grinders, how long does one generally last? I'm talking specifically about their burrs, how many years should you change them (or the whole grinder even) if you're grinding coffee, let's say, 3 times a day (individual doses)??? 1 year? 2? 5?
At least for the 1Zpresso lines they say they have a expected grind capability of 100-200kg (220-440 lbs). Assuming your individual doses are 20 grams a piece, they will last you from 4.5 - 9 years.
Hm, very nice indeed, thanks for the answer. I have 2, a Timemore C2 and a Kinggrinder K6. Intend to buy a new one but not sure which yet, maybe the C40? I only make filtered coffee or aeropress, no espresso (don't have a machine yet). Somewhere in the 200-300 dollars range I think.@@loganbeck5028
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What's the grinder you mention around 7:55 that's especially good for espresso that's incredibly loud? sounds like it might be just the thing for me.
I can see from the thumbnail that you have the new Feld47 from MBK in there. However I've been unable to find reviews on it, and you don't seem to mention it :(
How does it compare to the commandante and 1Z presso in terms of espresso and workflow? :)
What’s the cheapest grinder I can get from Walmart for cannabis?
I want to grind it up to the point where it’s like sand and not any thicker than that
Damn dude❗️ You definitely know your shi#! Bruh💯 I don’t understand why you don’t have a million subscribers yet…You definitely should dawg❗️
The stages of buying a coffee grinder :
Before buying:
Step 1- FOMO
After buying:
Step 1 - Denial
Step 2 - Anger
Step 3 - Bargaining
Step 4 - Regret
Step 5 - Acceptance
hahaha amazing xD
You forgot Step 6 - repeat ad infinitum 😂
I only had 1 grinder which I slightly regreted buying. The big revelation in my coffee journey is water. After I upgraded my water, all of my grinder regrets (almost) instantly gone away hehe
@@Raditrammeaning better water? Ph level? How do you mean?
@OhDearBabajan he means you make your own water.
I have a Zero Warer jug that makes pure H2O. Then I mix in Trird Wave Water powder mix of minerals and salts to make "ideal" brewing water.
There are other jugs and other powder mixes or solutions ( April Water).
I must say, coffee is better now.
This would make a great flowchart. Have the user select the different preferences and have it spit out 1 to 3 grinders as a recommendation. Thanks for all this info Lance!
I really want that flow-chart because I wanted to build that website for fun hahaha! Lance gimme a flow chart I wanna make a project!
That would actually be super dope. Espresso, coffee, hybrid, price range, manual, electric, even flavor profiles, etc. Tons of variables to play with too.
I was just thinking this also. Someone needs to make a flowchart :D
Does the flowchart always end with a shoryuken?
I want this. I want this so bad.
Thank you for making a "neutral" video, one that doesn't increase the FOMO, but makes one reflect on what is ones personal need before finding a grinder. Excellent work of both you and your team 👍
One of my best lessons was buying THE BEST GRINDER I CAN AFFORD, and then focusing heavily on the coffee itself. This approach was well worth it for me. And the one I always preach: WATER!!!! Don't skimp on this. You'll be surprised by how good your grinder actually is!
Water is Really underrated. Getting a high quality water filter(Clearly Filtered pitcher) made a Huge difference in the flavor of my espresso.
Water is definitely more important than the grinder. I really don't think anybody that's using tap water is actually experiencing specialty coffee.
I could afford the k-max so I bought it but now I think the x-pro or k6 could do the job as well
TRUE! It's like I was surprised at how good my JX pro is! I thought it was muddled but it has great clarity for an espresso biased grinder@@Jeremy-kg1zr
I 1000% agree. I would put Good water at 1a, good coffee at 1b and good grinder at no.2 @@ToomanyFrancis
recently went from a JMAX to a DF83. holy moly not having to hand grind light roast single origin is so nice.
I also have a jmax. Did you notice any diferences in taste?
What would be your best picks for espresso only, thick body profile, in the 300-500$ range?
I have a Kingrinder K6 and can't be happier. It does what it's supposed to do grinding for espresso, moka pot, french press and melitta/v60 being able to dial in nicely on every method.
It's a great piece of kit!
I have quite a few grinders, including a K6, and you wouldn't guess what I'm using it for. Turkish coffee. It's my favorite for this brew method.
Same. I bought finally in first grinder the k6 and it is extraordinary! And in Europe I had for 95€, it is very cheap price for a handgrinder who is equal to best handgrinder or close. Fast grind, nice, quality grind,... Insane. Maybe later I will try a kinu but not before long time 😂 or maybe an electric but when I will need it and I will need a high quality electric grinder if I want to beat my k6!
i got a turin sk40 a few months ago and i love it. first electric grinder I've owned.
I'm not looking for a replacement but i cant stop watching these videos hahahahaha
"im not looking for a replacement, but-" hahahaa so it begins. most of us say this and next thing we know..... 😂🙃
This video came at just the right time! Our Sage/Breville machine with built in grinder has died. My husband then tried tinkering with our backup grinder, a Rancilio Rocky, decided to do the wiring while it was plugged in (?!) and caused a literal explosion. It got burnt inside. Husband survived with just a mild electric shock.
Anyway... now we are shopping for a grinder. A frustrating unplanned expense, with endless choices and every machine has a flaw. I am really glad of this video (and of your previous honest feedback on the Niche, as I am also someone who enjoys funky, fruity speciality coffee as well as the chocolatey basic dark roast vibe). Hoping to make a grinder choice soon...
LOL. Go hubbie! ..... Almost Gone Hubbie!
Hope he’s well insured! 🫣
So which grinder did you choose at the end?
@@ftj8279 we went with a Niche Duo! Wanted the workflow but with flat burrs, we’ve had it for a few months and no regrets. It’s a joy to use and simple to dial in new beans.
note re. handgrinder: i just got shipped a medium roast bean, super compact little shi..thing. my j-max, which imo is an great purchase with awesome value, found its master, or rather i did. i weigh about 88kg @ 1.84m (me not tiny) and those beans, i means those beans.... i had to take breaks, or rather was forced to, simply due to the insane amount of brute force that was required to grind them.
tldr;
if you're into specific beans/roasts, check how well a hand grinder /you can handle that. i kid you not.
I would love a video about your top 5 grinders with ideal burr set for filter, espresso, and for both methods. So 3 lists, regardless of price, and based on the enjoyment you derive from drinking coffee from these grinders.
I cannot overstate the importance of a grinder in the setup. I have a v60 kit and a manual grinder that cost about twice as much or more than the v60 kit but when i started out it was using my dads old $50 burr grinder and stepping up to the manual was a HUGE difference. The coffee went straight from a muddy, terrible cup of coffee to a truly delicious cup of coffee that i feel like i can actually do small changes and notice a big impact.
Given my very limited budget, I bought a Fellow Opus about a month ago. I'm VERY happy with it. I'm new to espresso so still experimenting and it seems up to the job. The Opus and a V60 means I can finally make consistently delicious coffee at home. The plastic body doesn't bother me as long as the working parts are decent quality. So far so good at a very good price. Maybe after the kids finish college I'll look at something higher end but at this point its hard to imagine needing to.
I'm looking to perhaps invest in a Fellow Opus or even the Ode. Do you have any major retention issue/static issue with the Opus?
The Opus has an anti-static mode built in @@hainguyen4707
After having made these decisions multiple times my new takeaway: get a hand grinder for pourover and a dedicated electric espresso grinder. That way you have two devices dialed in at all times. Hand grinding is underrated imho.
I already found my perfect grinder. I’m still going to watch this till the end.
What's your grinder?
@@ftj8279 Lagom Mini
Love this video!! I'll be sharing this with anyone looking to buy a grinder in the future.
I've followed your grinder advice two times already and it hasn't failed me, so thank you for doing this video🙏🏻
I preorderd the baratza sette before it was released. I used it with my la pavoni and then flair. It broke just out of warranty. They said they could fix it and just pay shipping or they can send the motor to me for free. They sent the motor and directed me to a video to change it. It was such a breeze. I was so impressed by their support that I bought the updated bartza sette 270wi and moved the old one to the office. Great company and the motor/drive looks like the uss enterprise!😅
that's amazing!!! just exactly the kind of experience i'd look for - a company actually supporting their product. idk if all their machines are super loud though...
amazing video! now i think sort of know what is meant by traditional espresso - which is dark roast and with its nuances supressed by the heavy roasting.. really good to learn from a real pro
Just ordered a Baratza Sette 270 because its cheap (relatively speaking). I don't really have a nuanced enough palette, nor do I buy expensive enough beans to justify an expensive grinder. I am using a Gaggia Classic Pro (with PID + 9 bar OPV mod). I mostly make cappucinos and other milk based coffees which require espresso as the base.
You are awesome sir. So knowledgeable and v charismatic.
Starting to think about upgrading my Sage smart grinder for single dose espresso in the 3-500 range.
One thing I'll look for in my next Grinder... messiness! Have a barratza encore I upgraded with the M2 burr. Love the grind but grounds live in that chute and come out at random intervals into my counter.
Great video, very imformative! Would recommend throwing in pics and title recommendations throughout the video or sublinks in description
Love my Niche Zero. Could not be happier.
Im perfectly happy with my Eureka Mignon Single dose, just exactly what i need, maybe not not perfect to some, but im happy with my purchase... straight to the end game (at least for me) from day 1 rather than experimenting with cheaper ones and then ending up hopping on another grinder.
yeah, i found if you go too cheap or you REALLY want a specific one and buy something more 'budget' you risk spending the money twice. so it's cheaper to go with higher price/ higher quality grinder right out of the gate.
Hey Lance. I enjoyed your opinions and insights, but I think you should look more into editing in names and images of things when you mention them. In this video you name many different grinders and for anything I’m not super familiar with, the names just fly over my head really quickly.
Being able to see the grinder and its name would really help me remember what you are talking about at any particular moment. That or you could look to add captions (but that may be more work, I’m not sure). Other than that, great guidelines!
Uncanny timing, have been looking for an upgrade to replace my smart grinder pro to suit my Breville dual boiler 🤩
Please remember this: the #1 obstacle consumers face when setting their budget for grinders is not whether they are willing to spend 1grand on their passion and their hobby, but it is the judgement they face from family and friends. Do you see what I mean, you are speaking to people who are listening to you and totally have been convinced on the value of investment in coffee gear, but the #1 obstacle that they are facing, and therefore you are facing, is convincing their family and friends as well. If you do not do this, then you are isolating people from their family and friends who do not support them in their hobby because they are not convinced. Sure, if they taste it, they may easily be convinced, but that is only if they have the same high level of passion for coffee. This is why I was so so excited that I was able to justify my purchase of the x-pro to my family. You may say, "well we will just focus on those who are passionate about coffee as a hobby and those who have family and friends that support that hobby, thanks." But what I am pointing out is the obstacle that needs to be addresses in order to expand, and grow the hobby and specialty coffee industry so that farmers and buyer and roasters can do more.
Excellent in depth information for us coffee nerds ❤ Thank You so much Lance for your time and geekiness info👌🇿🇦
Please lance , make a turkish coffee vid. You're such a detail oriented creator i really enjoy
Do you think there is a big difference between in taste between an entry and mid level grinder?
Thanks for this! I have a KitchenAid grinder and have no idea how these are better than that. Trying to learn as much as I can!
Thank you for the video Lance. Honestly this added more questions for me though. I know what we need and could answer all of the questions posed, however, I don't know enough about the current grinder market to know what options there are in the first place. To me this is what grinds my FOMO.
I wish there was some kind of interactive chart where it would show you some options so I could limit my research. The thought of having to read reviews for 50 grinders (not knowing if I have missed any) is pretty daunting.
I am leaning towards the Niche Duo right now due to having a likely 80:20 espresso:filter ratio. I like the form factor and the ease of swapping.
Nice video as always, Lance. Thank you for taking the time to make and post it for us. I like to learn things for myself and compare them and happen to be in a situation where I needed (well, subjectively) an electric grinder for a short period of time before a move so I picked up an esp. It has been a great opportunity to compare it to my hand grinders C2 and K6. It really blows my mind how much value the K6 offers. It is almost always on sale for $100 and at half the price of the esp it has slightly better adjustability and a better flavor profile (for me).
Now, I am not sure why I prefer the espresso from the K6 and even the modified C2 but I do. I mean functionally. I understand why I preferer them taste wise. You could say it is the burr size, I guess, but the C2 has a similar sized burr to the encore. Maybe it is the rpms or the speed at which the coffee is ground. I will say that it seems like the esp is making the most fines. The K6 produces the fluffiest and least clumpy coffee of the three and I feel that I can grind finer with it before choking the machine. Regardless, the K6 gives me the most balanced cup of the three. It tends to bring out brightness in coffees that the others don't. (I like a more medium-dark roast espresso focused blend.)
Anyway, point being. I always heard people say how much value a hand grinder offers, and I guess I took mine for granted. There is nothing wrong with my esp but the K6 is a much, much better value in terms of making a good cup of coffee (espresso in my case). The esp is slightly more convenient though, but not really much faster.
All of that said, what I have learned is that my next grinder will be stepless. Right now, if I want to go from a 25 second shot to a 27 second shot I need to adjust by dose. With my particular coffee about 3/10s of a gram of coffee needs to be added or subtracted. Because if I adjust by one click on the esp it is going to be more like a 29 second shot. Just an example. And I have also learned that that one or two-seconds difference make be the difference between a coffee I like and I coffee I love. Not really a coffee I like and one I don't though. I guess I am getting to the point where I want to make coffee slightly more enjoyable, or get the most out of it, rather than making a decent cup. Or something like that.
Just my ramblings. Thank you again for the video. I enjoyed.
I heard a mention of audiophiles and other hobbies for comparison to a coffee hobby. Snobbery, in my opinion, isn't spending money in a hobby, it is the elitism of telling people what they like is inferior. The whiskey community at the Whiskey Tribe says it best, the best whiskey is the one you like, how you like it. I will not look down on my dad who lived most of his life with instant and enjoys itor my niece who enjoys a sweet desert like Starbucks. I'll enjoy a Starbucks or Dutch Bros coffee too because they're really desserts and different experiences. We can all get along! I'll likely get a higher entry level grinder or a lower mid level (from your price ranges). I currently use a Kingrinder k4, and for now I'm content.
I enjoy your content. It's a fun world to learn about.
Good coffee first, next good grinder. I have been using a Flair 58 with the Arco. I got a Titus Espresso grinder earlier this year and got a Brevelle infusor on Prime day and the spent more on different baskets and tamper--Great espresso
I have a niche zero for a couple of years, so I'm watching this video to understand why I need to change it
I've recently upgraded mine because I kept noticing the espresso at my local coffee shop always tasted much better than I could make at home with the same beans and I always found it slightly disappointing. I've worked out I like the higher clarity.
That's the key thing to do, in my opinion: upgrade where you can tell there's a weakness. If you like what you make at home more than what you can get elsewhere, there's absolutely no point dumping a ton of money on new equipment. You can't miss what you haven't had.
@@potkettleso to double check, what was wrong with the grinder? What was it not doing which caused less clarity?
@@lohvrti There's nothing "wrong" per se, but if you've watched Lance's video on conical vs flats, the Niche is very definitely on the chocolatey, high body end of the spectrum he mentions. I've realised that my preference is further down the spectrum towards the other end. Especially if you like lighter roasts, the Zero has a tendency to bury some of the more delicate flavours.
Personalized grinder recommendations based on all those criteria would be a great high-tier patreon reward :D
I'm a beginner but I've had a cheap espresso machine for 9 years (Delonghi 310). I've had a Dualit Burr grinder but it doesn't grind fine enough to 'dial in' an espresso grind. Having listened to tons of reviews it seems the Baratza Encore ESP would be a good step up for me. So far (!!!) I don't have a refined coffee palate but I hope that may change with a better grinder.
I find it amazing that Lance has sub 200k followers on YT when he's been putting out such awesome content for this long. I'm following you since your first video and loving your style and the wealth of knowledge that you are sharing. I hope that you will continue!
have you ever or would you ever do a video(s) about specialty Turkish coffee? i got the comandante for my new Turkish pot im gonna try, but also for home spro in the future.
Yesssss
What grinder would you suggest to buy to upgrade from the breville smart grinder pro. Mostly for espresso and under 1000 $. Thank you
I really liked your video, it's well done for a newbie and mid-tier coffee consumer. The only surprise in your video as a Canadian is that you spelled "flavour" as a commonwealth country and not an American who spell it flavor. Daddy Hoffman would like "flavour."
I'm from the US and I put the U in 😮 I didn't know this was wrong (here) haha. I'm pretty good at spelling at this point in my life as well 😅. I do, for some reason, actively prefer Grey to Gray though 😂
Kudos to Lance for reporting grinder burr separation to compare grinder performance. An actual number for microns per adjustment mark allows a real comparison, df83 has 10.4 microns/mark, a Rancilio Rocky 11.1, and so on. Makes me wonder again why stepless is so important for espresso grinders when some stepped have 10 micron steps, and a 0.001" burr misalignment represents a 25.4 micron fluctuation in actual burr separation.
Thx Lance. I’m shopping around for a grinder for a relative for Christmas
Hi! New here! This was great! Im wondering if you have any thoughts on the delonghi dedica grinder…i just got the dedica espresso machine
great review, i agree about the quality hand grinder bit, as I dug deeper into the espresso game(I blame you lol), I snagged a JX Pro on ebay for 80 best offer, my thought process was it took me longer to dial in the BBE grinder and I knew that once i dialed in the hand grinder the adjustments were a lot better and tastewise was not even in the same ballpark.. also longevity , i believe some say the JX series lasts for 20,000 + uses
What do you think about the la marzocco lux d by mazzer grinder?
Hi Lance! Just discovered you a couple of weeks ago, Burr Daddy, and I love everything you do here. Sending love from Canada 🇨🇦 ❤! I’ve tried grinding coffee with my dry carafe on the Vitamix and the coffee had no taste, as if I had just plainly soaked the beans in hot water. I’m starting a little manual grinder collection and just bought SSP burrs for my Ode Gen 1. I’m afraid I may develop GAS... 😄
I have a (nice) dedicated espresso grinder. For drip (v60 & moccamaster), I’m using a Baratza Encore with upgraded burrs. What’s the ‘best’ electric grinder for drip?
What do you think about something like the gaggia mdf, moded to be stepless and upgraded with new burrs
When does the law of diminishing returns apply?
Probably above the Baratza ESP I reckon.
Love this! I see that EK43 casually hanging out in the background, when are we getting a walk through for that luxury workhorse?
@TimoJosten ... sadly CRICKETS.. I watched this channel/ video to get insight and comment on this same EK43..
great overview of different factors, and the way you'd narrow down to a good grinder for the particular individual! i wish you could have put up the picture of some of these grinders when you referenced them (just a screen-in-screen) so we could get more familiar with the names plus attributes of the diff ones.
i got the little K2 initially for filter coffee and it's both nice to use and fast. espresso took a while. so i later got the izpresso's epresso grinder and man is the build quality nice!! magnetic cup is clutch. one of my fav features on it. the fold down handle is interesting, too, like it would make good sense for travel. but honestly if traveling i'd grab the K2 and just take a bit longer grinding. having a manual is FANTASTIC if you travel around a bit, or visit friends or family with bare kitchens. (last time i visited my mom in fl, suddenly she didn't have even an electric grinder. wtf??? we ALWAYS had one. so here was me and some beans and no way to coffee them. then i grabbed a grinder from the grocery store (yeah, i know) to do in a pinch and this was THE worst one i have EVER used in my life. powder and boulders. a damn disgrace. returned and got a diff model and that was ok for what it was. NOW, i can bring the K2, and for SURE have no coffee issues relying on other peoples beans, grinders/or not, or brewing methods. basically i do a metal basket filter on a mug and do a cheater french press which is honestly SO easy to clean up that i stopped bothering with the french press. immersion is immersion. lol)
i keep coming back to the niche, tho as the grinder i want to save up for. aesthetics for sure. but then the sound is hella quiet compared to that get-plane barazza. and it seems to do filter and espresso reasonably well.
the wild card on grinders, i think, is RELIABILITY. and customer support through this, and making things right. so many companies these days do not back their product and so you'd be out the money. *EASY REPAIR would be another. or even upgrade.* it's nice if things are accessible and there are parts available. then you don't have to worry as much about longevity.
so, *the gaggia seems to be that, for espresso machines. i wonder what the pick would be for grinders?*
you know, so if you picked up one used or even broken, that you could fix it (and not need to be an engineer, just have some decent skills and the inclination to.)
Trying my luck asking the community:
1. Budget: mid range around 500€
2. Electric Grinder
3. right now AeroPress and FrechnPress - looking into Filter, Vietnamese ( Espresso maybe in the funture)
4. Single Dose, Small Footprint, Modern Style (not bulky), if possible quiet
5. Consumer, but I know how to tinker
6. Flavour Profile: Choclatty nutty with a lot sweetness and less acidity,
Great video . Are you planning to receive the Niche duo ? If yes when?
Good reasons to by a new grinder Lance... or you bought coffee for your espresso machine and cant seem to grind fine enough to prevent every shot being a turbo shot ... some of my coffee providers roast the coffee on the limit to be espresso suitable for the mass home brewers(specialty coffee). Meaning you need a grinder that can grind specialty coffee fine enough to keep the shots between 25-35 seconds = expensive grinder. Please enlighten me if I am off on my perception :-)
Saw a knob grinder in the background would love your thoughts backed the Kickstarter and have never used it. sitting in my cupboard
Nearly a year into owning my Eureka and they’ve probably got me for life.
You will eventually need to clean your grinder and it’s one screw to get to the burr set.
Makes beautiful espresso and does well with AeroPress but it’s probably not the best for that
Good video but I still don't know what to buy! Haha.
What's an electric version of a K-Plus that's a bit better as espresso and similar for filter.
Eureka Filtro with Espresso burr maybe? People say it’ll do espresso with the stock burr though.
what your opinion about the chinese grinder perfex?
Hey Lance. A vote here for the Eureka Mignon Filtro at $200 for both Filter and Espresso. Good video !
Awaiting the Sculptor 078S to compare to my conicals.
95% espresso for me, then French Press or Cold Brew. Will roast a couple pounds beans to just barely out of yellowing, and grind them all through it to hurry up the seasoning.
Maybe then I’ll have something decent to try my hand at pour over.
Might order another (very similar) grinder in the meantime though.
Very interesting video - but I would love for it to have either links, pics, or text inlays every time you mention a particular grinder :)
which according to you is the best coffee machine ?
please respond...!!
Hey Lance! Everybody always talks about filter vs espresso. But what about those of us who mostly do Esspro “French press”? We love espresso also but the press pot is 80% of what we do. Don’t mind a little grit. I tend toward medium roasts and do like it when the sweetness of the bean comes out. Right now I’m doing Guatemalan coffees but love beans from different origins. Would you recommend a grinder for us? We have a very old 15 + years [?] Rocky Rancillo and have never replaced the burrs. Or maybe recommend a burrs set? Not worried about noise or aesthetics of grinder but am most concerned about really good flavor.
@lanceHedrick. I need your help. I need a rad espresso machine. I have been doing research for weeks and was set on a Mara X. But your review kinda deterred me. I have a max budget of 2k.
I’d like a PID, flow control machine. Recommendations?
my experience so far suggests that for budget and mid baratza is the way to go. 'just works' and they were designed to be repaired. i went through 2 fellow ode2s and got the impression it really didnt like being taken apart (wobble sounds change as you take it apart and reassemble...). niche zero is also great for traditional espresso hit and get great results. fancier "clarity" grinders is a whole other thing.
Great video. As always watching yours or Asser's videos, i want to buy one 😅😅😂
Thanks for the great video and agree with all the criteria you state. Only caveat is with the Eureka suggestion.
I was convinced to get the Specialita grinder when I got my espresso maker and I have absolutely hated it. The inconsistency in output, both in grind quality and volume is infuriating. Same exact times but output can vary up to 5 grams...
Yes. That's the retention I mentioned. Get some bellows
@@LanceHedrick Thanks for the reply and that was my next step. I really want a single dose but responsible me is looking hard at an option for the Specialita with bellows.
Whats better than my breville barista express grinder? But not to expensive?
Heyy whats the espresso machine on Lance’s left ?
I have a barateza virtuoso + . It’s great but I am looking to step up for espresso and I’m not sure what budget it’s worth going to. If I’m gonna be under $300 am I better sticking with this? What machine would be a step up
Did you get your hands on mxcool Aries, if so what are your thoughts on it?
@lanceHedrick What coffee grinder would you recommend specifically for getting the most flavor out of espresso on a 700-1000 dollar budget?
I have the 64 Grinder the 3 version and so far works well and is easy to clean . As my home is in Bali the price was low 360 US . In my opinion, this is a great value. (great for espresso)
I mainly do filter. But I want to get a grinder that does both filter and espresso. I am willing to pay high/luxury price. And I DO NOT want to have to do any tinkering. I am turned off by presales/waitlists and would prefer to buy a grinder from a reputable company and is immediately available/in-stock. Any recommendations that would fall under those preferences???
Waiting for my Sculptor 078s - can't wait!
I don't know for other country, bur in France you can get a lot of mazzer super jolly for around 150$ , I got one and i'm super happy about it
So I have a varia hand grinder and I really do hate it - it’s a fight with some beans (had it 2 years), I’m open to suggestions for a step up. Is the 1zpresso K max easier to grind or should I just grab the varia vs3? I’m just a pour over guy that makes 3-4 cups a day
fantastic video, made me think about hand grinders again, I am the 50/50 person you mentioned lol...
Great video, as most of yours are. I'd like to see a review of Star Seeker Edge Plus 63mm Conical. There is only one review of ii done by a home user in Europe. I'd also like to see a comparison review of all large conical burr grinders that are 47mm and larger.
Feed me a fish and feed me for the night.
Teach me to fish and feed me for a lifetime...
This is what you just did Lance.... Thank you! We will have great coffee for a lifetime! Slainte' be well! ✌️
Just waiting on my Weber HG1 to arrive. A tad excited
80% pour over 20% espresso, specialty coffee, already have a niche looking for a new grinder. Budget is 500-1k, need recommendations please
The most important feature for me in a grinder is the quality of the coffee output and the absence of lumps. Of course, it is important not to keep coffee inside the grind. I don't care about things like sound and body material. Considering these things, what model is the best grinder that you can suggest for me under 1000 dollars?
Grand vid! Very informative, just what I needed. Great energy btw
Lance, as I expected I enjoyed this video and learned a lot from it and was comfortable with it even though I had already made up my mind and bought my grinder. your previous videos plus other peoples reviews helped me to make up my mind, and for that I think you. if you are curious, my choice, which fit my requirements very well, is the Eureka Oro single-dose. again, thanks. -Toby
Great video as always @LanceHedrick still pondering between x54 and the eureka oro stark. Not sure if 65mm burrs are better for home use than 54mm???
Thoughts on the Eureka Atom 75?
Just what I was looking for. Thanks buddy!
I'm listening to this video with Bowers & Wilkins headphones while sipping Yemeni coffee and staring at a color calibrated screen. I'm here to add to my goodie room.... 😋
I went to a local dealer for some advice and they told me the Baratza Encore ESP is not suitable for light roast coffee beans. 🤔 Is this correct or is he trying to sell me a more expensive grinder?
Currently own a manual KINgrinder K6 how does that compare to the Encore ESP?
When are you going to review the Knob grinder?
You can help me. Espresso only single dose 1k to spend?
Baratza is now owned by Breville/Sage. Jury out on whether the customer service remains at the same high level.
It does. They left all chains of command in tact.
@@LanceHedrick I traded emails with Kyle the other day. He is still there. Kyra retired. Great folks. I did some beta for them a dozen years ago. Nice vid, BTW.
Best grinder options for filter coffee?
super idea for approaching this! helpful!
Next to my 3 handgrinders, i've spent 160 euros for a refurbished "like new" Baratza Sette 30 which i love. For the amount i paid, i am losing on material quality, but i got easiness and good enough grind quality.
Simple question: when talking manual grinders, how long does one generally last? I'm talking specifically about their burrs, how many years should you change them (or the whole grinder even) if you're grinding coffee, let's say, 3 times a day (individual doses)??? 1 year? 2? 5?
At least for the 1Zpresso lines they say they have a expected grind capability of 100-200kg (220-440 lbs). Assuming your individual doses are 20 grams a piece, they will last you from 4.5 - 9 years.
Hm, very nice indeed, thanks for the answer. I have 2, a Timemore C2 and a Kinggrinder K6. Intend to buy a new one but not sure which yet, maybe the C40? I only make filtered coffee or aeropress, no espresso (don't have a machine yet). Somewhere in the 200-300 dollars range I think.@@loganbeck5028