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Regarding the first story: If a player ever, EVER tries to get you to play a horny-click OC, DO NOT engage with said player. That is an ENORMOUS red flag. If they're really that down bad, they can play the character themselves.
Friend of mine wants to mimic Drizzt Do'Urden in my campaign... im told him, at the time our adventure starts Drizzt is sitting on his fireplace with wife and kids, his artifacs hanging on the wall and living a humble, peaceful life in his early 300's. So - No. I convinced him that he could have heared of him and follow his Idol. Worked til now... told him, that this is a existing legendarf character and might occour later in the game. I am just waiting for the question when xD
I'd say that depends a lot of the group you are playing with. But you'd have to know the players you are going to be playing with, doing that with strangers is weird.
It really sounds like they both suck as D&D players if you ask me, I don't know how you can have two backseat gamers in one party because that just seems like the DM didn't really care, like is she supposed to be the DM and a player and rules keeper? It just seems like the whole group sucks at D&D
"Haha, that's cool, man... hey *other DM in the store* come hear this story, it's great!" I spent years working in a game store and this was my go to way to safely call someone over.
But I also find it sus how Artificer didn't know ANYTHING about the world... Either he disregarded and played the exact same character and that's why he was on the 39th campaign with that concept... Or he was on sort of in the dark. Surprisingly as it might sound, I think the latter is truth.
@@nairocamiloIdk I've played in 2 campaigns with a player that was like artificer (same player in both). Even with a session 0 for both, he still pulled that crap. After explaining how the world and society was, the general rules of the game, and figuring out party comp, he still decided to play his way, ignoring many of the things established. Sometimes you just have players that don't care and are gonna do things their way. With that same character used in 38 previous campaigns, I feel like he may be the cause of them fizzling. Also with the monk and fighter seeming to know so much about the setting and lore, I feel like they did have a session 0, but it is possible for one reason or another he wasn't there
I know each situation has its own nuance, but I've played with players even worse than that artificer in the same vein. We even had sessions 0 and a patient DM trying really hard to accommodate and still set healthy boundaries. I 100% believe that argument would go for an hour because some players will just argue in circles until you get tired and move on for the sake of the group
Yea I've played in 2 campaigns with a player that was possibly worse than that artificer (same player in both). Even with a session 0, he still pulled that crap. After everyone at the table started calling him out everytime he did it, he left, and after the 2nd campaign, he never came back.
Something is just fishy with the artificer story. It sounds like theyre playing a very low fantasy game where non-divine magic is really restricted, and yet he was able to make an AASIMAR ARTIFICER in this game? Idk if i believe the story at all, or if that guy really just didn't care about the setting at all
@@slamindorf5478 Seems like the latter if he truly did play the same character _thirty-eight previous times._ I understand developing a character and becoming attached, that's normal - but to use just the one, and every game "fizzled out"? Nah dude, you got kicked from the table.
A campaign I was in. Player "I want to tame the demon horse!" DM "no" Repeat for about 15-20 minutes. Player 2 "I kill the demon horse" DM "ok, horse dead. Moving on."
@@theodorehunter4765 I know enough people that consider tech nowadays to be magic so it’s honestly valid. Doesn’t change the fact it’s magic in the eyes of the inhabitants of the world tho.
I really love these so much especially Wife joining in and giving her insight on helping others with safe words or advising how to get help more directly from your easily distracted friends. ❤
If someone while larping says that they have air proof armor and not an air filter, take the Crash Zoom approach and remind them that they would have died of suffocation by now or they are really good at holding their breath, in which there is no need for air proof armor.
@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg I was quoting Zero Punctuation and everyone that says they DIDN'T want to knock the teeth out of that obnoxious kid that didn't follow the playground game's rules is a dirty liar.
as a female, i agree w/ Wife that you may have to be more direct w/ your approaches to ask for help. not everyone is fully attentive when it comes to expressions, body language and "looks" when someone is in distress and asking for help. at work, i almost always gotta deal w/ creepers because i'm a relatively pretty lady w/ a gentle, sweet and professional personality. i am unfortunately down in the box office (i work in a movie theatre) by myself w/ almost no one around except maybe a security guard. i would normally try to, politely, nudge the creeper out as quickly as possible (whether they buy a ticket or not), or just passively "ignore" them and busy myself w/ another guest. in both cases, theyd eventually wander off in which case i'd then go to the security guard on duty and tell them to keep an eye on the creeper in question and turn them away if they could, or, even better, if one of the managers happens to come down while the creeper is still around then i'll tell them what happened. manangement at my job are great, they are very protective of us employees and they have our backs no matter what. for example, there was one time a creeper, who is a repeated offender (though i havent seen him in quite awhile, thank heavens), visited the theatre and was chatting me up, asking me really personal questions that made me super uncomfortable. when he left, the head manager of our particular theatre came down and i quickly grabbed him, took him aside and told him that repeated offending creeper stopped by again and made me super uncomfortable. the head manager took the situation very seriously and even stuck around in the lobby w/ me, since security wasnt in at that time (it was early morning and security doesnt come in until around 2pm EST), until he was certain the dude didnt return, telling me to call for back-up if i see the guy again before heading back upstairs. i have pretty telling signs i'm in distress, so i normally dont HAVE to say anything, but i know that sometimes not everyone is paying attention nor available and i have to communicate my concerns. back on topic, idk if the DM was doing what she did INTENTIONALLY due that specific incident, but, again, as Wife said she couldve been doing it subconsciously out of spite for the OP "not defending her from the creeper when she needed him"
In real life, if someone won't ask for help, there will be no helping them. All you'll do is potentially antagonize everyone else when you play white knight and they pretend nothing is wrong. It's like intervening in someone else's lovers' quarrel when you know they'll both just turn on you. Her POV is tainted because she has a profession where people literally come to her for help.
@timreynolds4785 thats why i say ppl should speak up because not everyone are mind readers. ofc you shouldnt butt in every time something is happening that you might find distressing because you dont know the situation at hand, or maybe the person "in distress" has it handled. i'm just saying Wife has a point that you need to speak up and not get passive-aggressive when you feel like youve been "ignored" while in distress
On the first story, to me it kind of depends on the fantasy whether an artificer is strictly doing magic. Their effects are somewhat a blend of magic and technology, so I typically describe my artificers making small adjustments to their gear or using a device they built in order to "cast" any spells. Although mechanically, it is 100% magic and could be detected by Detect Magic, dispelled by Dispel Magic, blocked by Counterspell...
LOL! "This kid is a damn death sentence!!!" **pushes basket into a river and it floats away.... baby inside giggles and gurbles spit and says, 'Death Sentence!' and does a squealing giggle....**
in defense of artificer guy in the one instance, artificers can sometimes be flavored to not be doing magic but simply doing magic like feats with their technology(some spells are easier to flavor than others admittedly and I don't know exactly how their abilities work rules as written mechanically) so it's possible he was playing it as that so to him he wasn't actually using magic. though maybe something to talk about with your dm before the game to make sure they're cool with it and all that
For the first story, I would wonder if the DM's worry about the player looking up at their character had less to do with being noticed and more to do with the implications that they may be looking up a skirt -- the player already tried to push for the character to be more sexualized (even trying to get the image to be something that the OP said was a little NSFW), so they might have felt like it was another instance of them trying to sexualize their character.
I was literally thinking the same thing when they read that part of the story. Also, considering that this player was pestering the DM to make a sexualized character before the campaign even started, I can understand if this DM started the session already annoyed with the Artificer.
I’m so lucky that the group I’m in only has maybe one ‘problem player’, I use quotes because she’s not really a bad player but she does get distracted a lot. Thing is I’d rather have that one occasional distraction than never play with my friends, although I’m getting ready to be DM for our group after tonight so I won’t be in the action I’ll be making the action!
As a woman who plays DND with an amazing group of friends but has experienced creepy behavior at game/dice/mini shops…I can’t imagine dealing with what these people do
Boundaries should be made clear. If some guy is creepy then point it out loud and shame him if he keeps doing it. Guys will naturally come and save you if they see obvious drama happening. However if you're just being silent, then other guys around you just reads it "oh she is interested in that creep" and won't do anything. Usually these issues happen mostly to women who are too passive/submissive so they never say it out loud that something is unacceptable. Creeps love these types of girls.
Yeah, and as a fellow female the dude who got two characters killed did nothing wrong. I doubt I'd have noticed either if all she was doing was glancing at me. It's sad, but the advice about creating a safeword or using an obvious nonverbal signal is good.
@@Tespri Honestly I think I can usually tell when someone seems creeped out by someone else, but even then I'm not going to step in unless I get clear indication that someone is uncomfortable. Nobody wants to speak up in a situation where it turns out nothing is wrong and *you* end up being weird for thinking otherwise.
@@thebigmeme7534 That is true. There have been times when I managed to read situation correct and rescue girl in subtle way. But sometimes it's hard to tell depending on girl's social skills regarding of acting.
I had a guy in my game that entered a dungeon called the Eye of the All-Father. There were these statues that were part of a puzzle, that are all trapped if you do things incorrectly. This problem player is a dwarf, and had massive problems with giants. This was a giant's temple btw. So he says "I hate giants. I walk up to the statue and hit it with my axe, then piss on it." So I say, "Okay. Four earth elementals rise up from the ground and start punching you in the dick, roll for initiative." That was the trap that the statue had, to summon earth elementals (minus the dick punching). He wasn't with us for long as he did this to every statue, one of which contained a meteor swarm. I chose to forgo that one for the party's sake.
Disconnecting from dnd, the advice is great for being in a public place and getting in an uncomfortable situation. In the workplace or a place where you know other people. Having a safe word is great. At work we have ear pieces wired to a radio, so it’s obvious we have them. We have the safe word dumpster fire. So over the radio we can be like oh shoot did you say dumpster fire, be right there. So it’s a very viable excuse to walk away in a hurry from someone, and then if we don’t show up in the office or to the back door after a little while others know to come find you to get you out of the situation.
Stuff like this is fine and all in an office work space if you're security or something, but in most circumstances it's best to confront the problem rather than push it under the rug.
isnt it mentioned somewhere that artificers can be flavored as using science and gadgets rather than magic? since all of their stuff revolves around the tools and items they create?
I the first story of this was AITA it would be an everybody sucks here badge. The DM is telling the PC their actions and not being flexible. Its okay to have restrictions, but you need to work with players to make it work in your restrictive settings not just let them play a character and then nerf it. They also should jump in and address the problem player right away or pause the session and reiterate the table expectations. Everyone having fun together is more important than your world building. The artificer is trying to tell people what to play, arguing with everyone, steamrolling/inflexible, and not thinking of anyone's enjoyment but their own.
Agree with this. My DM has a similar world where it is illegal for most people to use magic, but he worked with us to make sure we could play what we wanted (I'm a lizardfolk hex blade) and made it clear about how our characters would be perceived in the world. However, the artificer should have been more respectful of the game as a story rather than treating like Skyrim or something where you're the only one playing.
As a fun note related to something which came up in the first story: At least in America, a contract signed with a false name can still be legally binding. If you renege on it, you could get in *extra* trouble for your fraudulent actions, but it would not automatically negate the contract. (I ended up having to read up on this after the party’s sketchy wizard signed a contract with the party’s sketchy monk using an alias. And due to a unique set of circumstances, my straight-laced ranger has been paying off the wizard’s debt to the monk ever since.)
Idk, what if someone FORCES you to sign a clearly shady contract without even letting you read, or its 100% bad and you never wanted to deal with neither 'perks' or obligations it places on you, just get away?
@@FlamesAndShadows If someone *forces* you to sign a contract, (I mean really forced, rather than, “hey, you can’t ride the zip line without signing these liability papers,”) the contract would not be legally binding even if you signed your REAL name. My Ranger’s situation is that he completely knowingly signed papers making him legally responsible for the actions of the other members of the party. Then, the Wizard signed a contract I specifically advised him against signing, reneged on his end of the bad deal, and left my Ranger to pay for his bad decision. (The wizard also tried to use, “I signed the contract *ironically*” as a defense, and that didn’t work either.)
@@FentonHardyFan Your Ranger should've 'ironically' hunted him down and brought back, bounty hunter style, to pay his dues and be free from the resonsibility. Its up to the rest of the party if you roleplay staging a breakout later :P
@@FlamesAndShadows Oh, the sketchy Wizard never left the party. And the sketchy Monk my Ranger owed an ever increasing amount of money to *also* continued with the party for quite a while. Because of my Ranger’s personality and morality, he was disgruntled, but determined to pay off the debt. Ended up transferring his debt to one of his older brothers, and saved all the money he made adventuring to pay his brother back. My poor Ranger had finally collected enough money to pay off his debt when he got disintegrated by an Anathema a few weeks ago. 🤦♀️
@@FentonHardyFan Aw shit, I'm sorry, hope the 'new person stumbled upon by the party's is the luckier one. And when you just payed off too(( No choice between debt free stranger or 'inheritance'. What was the deal with being saddled with the party's problems? I thought it had at least some leadership perks attached? At that point DM should've adopted an NPC into the party to take all that flack or something. This is Bob the Goblin, he's responsible for all our sins. X'D Also a horrific setup just occured: a lawful good teacher trainee was whisked by, insert plot McGuffin here, to a faraway dangerous land (all DnD of course including races) and has to get them back safely because they need that job, except all the kids (other players) are much shadier alightment bastards and completely out of control. Because your being responsible for shit selfish idiots leave you with just has this vibe. :/
Y'all talking about the safe words reminded me of when in private security we would use different tacos when dealing with a situation bean and cheese was the big one of needing help immediately as well as police
I agree with wife. Looks of “help me”won’t cut it. That DM should’ve said something if she felt uncomfortable and walked over to the other guy (dm/player?) in the room. Wife is also right people aren’t going to be looking at faces for pleas of assistance if the conversation sounds like it’s just about d&d. That DM definitely took it out on that player later. Duke’s idea about a safe word is 👌 too.
Especially when they weren’t even looking..how are glances gonna do anything if the person you’re looking towards IS NOT LOOKING AT YOU?? That’s just being petty! Easiest way she could of solved the solution was calling over OP to do something and THEN giving the looks or say something they’ll understand is a “pls help me”
Before I played my first campaign, I knew not to argue with the DM. If there is an issue that bugs you, talk to them after the game but what they say goes
I've only once brought a PC from a previous campaign into a new one, and it was specifically so he could die, tanking damage for the 1st level or 2 so the other players had a better chance of survival Somehow despite several near death experiences Thomas Genericman is now 5th level and I'm wondering how? several of my PCs from old campaigns have ended up as NPCs when I run games, but I tend to keep them in the background as easter eggs for the other players
Had a character myself die 3 times over a few sessions and we as a group had a blast over the narrative. We where playing a 3.5 homebrew style game, 5 of us including dm, I played a male warlock tiefling. We set up on a dark campaign where we where all evil or at best neutral. We got to the first boss who was kinda like Sauron where he had a ring of immense power. We killed him, me dealing the final blow. I took the ring and put it on (there was a mild warning from dm ooc but nothing to give away what would happen) immediately killing my character. 2 sessions later the dm and I schemed up a plan to resurrect the character npc style for short live. One of the other characters upon seeing my character return screamed in disbelief and immolated him in the alleyway to the inn. Lots of laughs at the 3 second 2nd chance. To which the dm reanimated the character as a type of undead that was another flavored encounter and took like another 3 seconds to kill. It brought us to a new BBEG. Also at this time I had begun playing as my former characters sister who had been looking for him and it only made for more fun for our table as she no longer really got along with anyone from that point after they murdered her brother twice in front of her. Definitely a better experience on character deaths. Super side note, we never where super serious on playing, it was all about hanging out and having a good time while playing, wasn't uncommon to go through like 2 or more characters per campaign.
It also seems like the Artificer was suffering from First Player syndrome. Where they think they are the most important player in the room. No wonder his other games fizzled out.
18:00 if she was giving the dude looks to let him know she was uncomfortable then that means she can see him and can see that hes not fucking looking at her lmao. Its entirely on her, she fucked up.
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When I worked as a grad student in a university writing center, it was a public space with lots of people around. The undergraduate writing tutors (men and women both, but mostly the women) would encounter a lot of weirdos, creepers, and occasionally dangerous people...because it *was* an open, public space. I would listen for issues, but I didn't always hear them since I was facing the front with my back to the main room and was answering the phone, talking to students, etc. Trouble wasn't constant, but it was a consistent enough that we developed strategies for tutors to request assistance without creating a problem. One way a tutor could signal an issue was to call over to someone else, asking for a particular item. The item was a code phrase that meant, "I need assistance!" One other item was a code phrase that meant, "Call the police." I think the advice to consider alternate strategies for requesting assistance is sound. That said, even though I think the OP mostly was innocent (based on what I heard), he(?)/they could have a bit more situationally aware in the future. All I mean is that, given them being in a public space where any rando could walk in, they might have looked over once or twice to visually verify the situation. Advice for the future is all.
The fact that there even had to be an argument about the Artificer's legal name mid-session implies that the player did not have this "real name" picked out or okayed by the DM before they started playing, and just randomly, mid-game, decided he wanted to be known as 'Death Sentence' for cool guy or edgy reasons. Else they hid it from the DM wanting it to be a reveal even to them, which you should never do as a player. DM needs to know everything about your character to plan the game properly.
Am I the only one who wants to call wife Duchess? Like she is more than wife and duchess is such a perfect name if we view them as a couple which we know they are XD
The only thing I didn't get about the first story is what's the issue with having a dumb name for your PC? That's not a moment for the DM to say "Hmm no that's too stupid to work" that's a "Hey that's really stupid here's some NPC's to point out why that's weird/some roleplay opportunities on why no one would believe the weird name leading into their npc's life goal to learn to blacksmith despite the hardships of having a weird name"
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Ladies. Use your words. Because Im the first kind of guy to come bat for you, but we don't know the situation. Idk if he is your bf and your having an argument or what. So just saying the words, "You are making me uncomfortable, can you leave." Is a great first step to getting someone in the room to noticing your situation.
In the first situation, I think both the GM and the Artificer shared the blame, but neither were really "the bad guy". Both seem to have the issue of being mildly annoying, but their styles of annoying clashed to make things awful where a different blend of annoyings can blend together with no real issues.
Does feel like two people who “have to win” clashing with each other. GMs that like to apply endless lists of restrictions can easily end up with frustrated people trying to find routes round them if they aren’t very clear in session zero and know the players style. Feels like both parties share the blame without knowing more. I think your take is spot on.
@@AliceRinGameLand Trying to interact with the GM's character and being told "No, you can't see me even though I am playing a pan flute in an obvious manner" doesn't seem very bulldozer to me. He just wanted to be an edgelord, which while a little cringe, isn't uncommon.
To anyone who DMs or will EVER DM: if an argument goes on with a player for more than 5 minutes, tell that player they can either shut up or leave. YOU are the DM. YOU spend WAY more time prepping and planning and running your adventures. You do NOT have to deal with their bs. Players are a dime a dozen. DMs are unicorns.
Female DM here of 25 years. How do you get help in a game store when a creeper is bugging you? You tell the creeper, "Oh, hey, Brad knows WAY more about that than me." And before he can open his mouth to speak again, you shout to your backup, "Hey Brad, c'mere. This guy wants to know how Rituals work in combat." Straight up, creeper will bow out.
Not gonna lie, when I first read the title, I thought it was like "she liked him, but was annoyed he didn't respond to her flirting so did that old weird 'pick on the person you like' thing", and that the thumbnail was from the other story, lol.
Why even give that huge hint about water to player? As DM he could just ask for perception check and then proceed with. "While you refresh yourself with water, you don't spot anything out of ordinary in your surroundings."
Sure, it might've been a bit "hint hint, nudge nudge"-ish, but I mean, it still doesn't excuse the metagaming from the other player. And the other players seemed to be able to ignore that since they also started arguing with the artificer guy. You probably didn't mean it in that way, I just felt like mentioning it. The DM definitively could've been sneakier, I'm honestly surprised the other players didn't even accidentally metagame when faced with that question, haha.
@@phoenixjklin For me it is not problem of metagaming. Because DM basicaly say. Yes i want you to find out, but can you choose more believable method. And if nobody else came with better method, DM should take what he got from his hint.
@@Name_Some Which hint? she just said "does anyone want to drink from the river?" and "you think the water is perfectly safe", maybe you could be suspicious but there nothing that she said or in the campaing told them that was specifically suspicious as she was a PC too, this is coherent with monk and fighter reaction to detect magic saying their characters are clueless about the evil stuff happening. Also, don't always read on what people say, sometimes people mean exactly what they said with the word they choose.
2nd story: Idk why but this is specifically a thing women do most the time when I'm out in social events. Women will act really nice bc they dont want confrontation, but then get mad when OTHERS dont help them. This similar occurrence mostly happened at the college parties where after the creep goes away and the girls say something along the lines of, "I cant believe nobody tried to distract that creep." I've had this happen at a store where I heard a woman say "WTF ARE YOU DOING GET AWAY FROM ME", turned out to be her boyfriend and they were going through a rough patch or something.
one guy in my group a guy managed to die 3 times in one session... (what my DM told me, I was missing for that session): the first time he apparently cheated (I don't know how he exacly died, but the way I got it the DM wasn't even trying to kill him) the second time was just stupid (running into the obviosly electrecuted fog) the third time was just bad luck (anther player hit him with his greatsword after a nat 1) non of that was inteded by the DM... (we are all pretty new) also it can't be normal that you get reset to level 1 when you die, right?
I suspect a lot of the people in these stories are Autistic, largely because I am too, and I can understand why people would do that stuff. Also, there are a lot of autistic people in the D&D community, because it’s just a really autism friendly game. Heck the way you guys talk about yourselves I suspect you two probably are as well. Nothing wrong with it, I know it super stigmatized, but it’s just how people are. As I said I’m autistic too. Love your videos btw. You are a really cool dude.
The first story to me had some red flags from the OP as well. I get the feeling there was some embellishments made, and some info not added. If the player was that much of a problem BEFORE the first session, why were they even allowed to continue? If only clerics and paladins of a certain god are allowed to use magic, why was he allowed to make an Artificer if the DM believes Artificers use magic? Not saying the Artificer is completely innocent in this, but I just get the feeling the DM isn't as innocent as they are making themselves out to be either. I have played with DMs before that drop BS 'world lore' reasons as to why I can't do something, just to stop me from doing something they didn't like. Some of that 'really detailed world' things he was praising the DM for could have easily been BS reason made up on the spot to stop the player from doing something the DM didn't like.
Story 1. Does this DM understand how eyes work? Like, even without music you can still see a person in a tree as you approach, unless they are very well covered by foliage. Player may be toxic but to me it sounds like they are mostly just reacting to the DM repeatedly shutting them down.
Eh, I get the vibe that the artificer was determined to latch onto the DM at the first opportunity and she was twitchy about that when he immediately zeroed in on her npc. Everything else could just come down to "oh, I explained badly, let me set the scene again, as this person did specifically choose a spot that would hide them from below, so you would just hear nearby music". Lots of ways they could be hidden from a casual glance up (dense leaves, sun in eyes, massive tree branch, in nest at top of trunk... ) the problem is each party just deciding that they were/weren't visible automatically instead of going "I look around for the source of music", "okay make a perception check".
@@flynn9037 Unless the DM for some reason didn't want the player to find her, i really don't see the problem, i mean why drag the scene out if it's the first session, don't you want the party to meet up and go on a quest? The fact that the DM found such a convoluted reason why the Artificer couldn't meet her character stinks of being a contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. The rest of the story reads that way too. Especially when the player tried to join the clergy so he could actually use his character properly, and then the DM makes up a completely unreasonable requirement for him to do so. Like, are we going to stop the campaign for 5 years so that the player can attend college? It seems to me that the player was doing their best to play their character while also finding a compromise within the rules, and the DM was actively making up reasons to shut him down.
@@viktorkolaric4156 I agree somewhat with you but i don't think "the player was doing their best to play their character while also finding a compromise within the rules" he was metagaming and not following the rules. If you take into account how fighter and monk behaved maybe there was a session 0. I stilll think that she could have handled their meeting better, but we were not there and i don't know how it went in terms of voice, tone, expressions, etc.
@@Eustres Metagaming is really really subjective tho. How many RPG horror stories are there based on "That's what my character would do" trope. Technically every time you do something apart from what your character would do you are metagaming. To me metagaming is only metagaming when it's based on the information that the player had but NPC didn't, and there was no way they could have deduced it. Even then, busting into a room where your team mate is about to have their ass handed to them because your character had a hunch could technically be metagaming, but it's also a well established fantasy trope. Metagaming is only really a problem when it makes the game unfun.
I have a character that I’m currently playing called Dave a aasimar with the sub race of protector aasimar so I just feel ashamed that such a poor sport would disgrace the race of aasimar
Sounds to me both parties are at fault for this - a DM needs to be flexible with their players, but WOW - as a player, respect the GM as the GAME MASTER
Chick in the second story also needs to realize something important. Let's be real. She's in a nerdy hobby shop. People in this setting are famous for not being the best with social queues and subtle hints. Giving the guy 'looks' while he's busy and expecting him to read your mind is stupid. And to then get mad at him and go for revenge after, is just being a vindictive jerk.
ive got a funny story i was added in late to a group with a homebrew of a cursed dragonborn sorcerer starting at lvl 1 as the rest of the party was already lvl 3 the very first meeting my character rolled a intimidation check to see if they rest of the party would listen to what my character had to say i rolled a nat 20 with my +6 intimidation little to say my character first meeting the party caused them to piss there pants and cower as my character stood over them trying to be friendly little to say the rest of the group were not 100% sure i was not the big bad they would have to fight at the end 😂😂😂
The aasimar artificer is clearly the arsehole of the first story, but 1) OP didn't do a good job of explaining the whole tree conflict (which I still don't understand) and 2) just outright asking the party if they're going to drink from a river that you know is cursed seems like sub-par DMing to me. She could've hinted that maybe their water skins might be running low after she mentioned the river in her scene-setting or described the river in a way that makes it sound very refreshing (which could even be part of the curse). Another approach is to ask the players directly but in a way that makes it obvious that there's a potential risk involved. Now that only works in groups where there's a lot of trust between the DM/GM and the players, but it sounds like she had that level of trust with the fighter and the monk. 😕
2nd doesn't fit the fool me twice saying. How's he supposed to know she's taking it out on him with 1 player death??? Its only the 2nd one happening quickly that would give that away. Which, with his next character he's going in to not be fooled.
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Loving the series.
Deeter? Dude seriously? It's " de tur "
@@FHBStudiono life for 18 years now.
Regarding the first story:
If a player ever, EVER tries to get you to play a horny-click OC, DO NOT engage with said player.
That is an ENORMOUS red flag. If they're really that down bad, they can play the character themselves.
Friend of mine wants to mimic Drizzt Do'Urden in my campaign... im told him, at the time our adventure starts Drizzt is sitting on his fireplace with wife and kids, his artifacs hanging on the wall and living a humble, peaceful life in his early 300's. So - No. I convinced him that he could have heared of him and follow his Idol. Worked til now... told him, that this is a existing legendarf character and might occour later in the game. I am just waiting for the question when xD
I'd say that depends a lot of the group you are playing with. But you'd have to know the players you are going to be playing with, doing that with strangers is weird.
It really sounds like they both suck as D&D players if you ask me, I don't know how you can have two backseat gamers in one party because that just seems like the DM didn't really care, like is she supposed to be the DM and a player and rules keeper? It just seems like the whole group sucks at D&D
You know it's a bad story when the DM kills a player. Usually they just kill their character.
they ressurected the player and then killed them again
Sometimes folks get just a tad bit too into the game.
We have all been there... i mean, um....
@@DourdenAdam "You have rolled your unnaturally lucky fuchsia dice one time too many, violence is the only logical solution!"
How come? Stories that end in a prison sentence are typically incredibly entertaining
"Haha, that's cool, man... hey *other DM in the store* come hear this story, it's great!" I spent years working in a game store and this was my go to way to safely call someone over.
Yeah that’s a good one.
Story1: Artificer was that kid that always bulldoze everyone and thus no one ever wanted to play with him.
But I also find it sus how Artificer didn't know ANYTHING about the world...
Either he disregarded and played the exact same character and that's why he was on the 39th campaign with that concept... Or he was on sort of in the dark.
Surprisingly as it might sound, I think the latter is truth.
@@nairocamiloIdk I've played in 2 campaigns with a player that was like artificer (same player in both). Even with a session 0 for both, he still pulled that crap. After explaining how the world and society was, the general rules of the game, and figuring out party comp, he still decided to play his way, ignoring many of the things established. Sometimes you just have players that don't care and are gonna do things their way. With that same character used in 38 previous campaigns, I feel like he may be the cause of them fizzling. Also with the monk and fighter seeming to know so much about the setting and lore, I feel like they did have a session 0, but it is possible for one reason or another he wasn't there
@@asumax8 You put two haves
@@theodoricbogedain9537 and misspelled players lol thanks
Also tried to get a PC the DM was playing to be a Busty character in skimpy clothes
Moral of many horror stories : Communication + It's okay to be a player with problems, just don't be a problem player.
I know each situation has its own nuance, but I've played with players even worse than that artificer in the same vein. We even had sessions 0 and a patient DM trying really hard to accommodate and still set healthy boundaries. I 100% believe that argument would go for an hour because some players will just argue in circles until you get tired and move on for the sake of the group
really just kick those scums out and continue with someone else
Yea I've played in 2 campaigns with a player that was possibly worse than that artificer (same player in both). Even with a session 0, he still pulled that crap. After everyone at the table started calling him out everytime he did it, he left, and after the 2nd campaign, he never came back.
Something is just fishy with the artificer story. It sounds like theyre playing a very low fantasy game where non-divine magic is really restricted, and yet he was able to make an AASIMAR ARTIFICER in this game? Idk if i believe the story at all, or if that guy really just didn't care about the setting at all
@@slamindorf5478 Seems like the latter if he truly did play the same character _thirty-eight previous times._ I understand developing a character and becoming attached, that's normal - but to use just the one, and every game "fizzled out"? Nah dude, you got kicked from the table.
A campaign I was in.
Player "I want to tame the demon horse!"
DM "no"
Repeat for about 15-20 minutes.
Player 2 "I kill the demon horse"
DM "ok, horse dead. Moving on."
The artificer said that artificers can't use magic but meanwhile cast detect magic 😂
He uses his big balls to detect magic. At least I have to assume that’s what he does.
To be fair, it's a common trope that Artificers aren't actually using "magic", they are using tech that LOOKS like magic.
@@theodorehunter4765 I know enough people that consider tech nowadays to be magic so it’s honestly valid. Doesn’t change the fact it’s magic in the eyes of the inhabitants of the world tho.
Though the artificier was an Aasamir he would've been reeking of divine magic
@@DaTimmeh I hear they're always bouncing to the left and to the right....
I like how you guys analyze both sides of these stories and don't just immediately condemn anyone. Love these videos! :D
"once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action" -GF
I really love these so much especially Wife joining in and giving her insight on helping others with safe words or advising how to get help more directly from your easily distracted friends. ❤
Holy sweet jesus this Artificer was an absolutely 'everything proof shield' kinda gamer. He's a participant in a story not some Isekai protag.
Absolutly, but the Dm is crap too...
This is next level dmpc...
If someone while larping says that they have air proof armor and not an air filter, take the Crash Zoom approach and remind them that they would have died of suffocation by now or they are really good at holding their breath, in which there is no need for air proof armor.
@@manta894 Thanks you, this seems like a total train wreck
@@K4RN4GE911 Yeah cause someone real world violence because they don't play the make believe board game they way you want them to
@@SubtotalStar850-uh8pg I was quoting Zero Punctuation and everyone that says they DIDN'T want to knock the teeth out of that obnoxious kid that didn't follow the playground game's rules is a dirty liar.
as a female, i agree w/ Wife that you may have to be more direct w/ your approaches to ask for help. not everyone is fully attentive when it comes to expressions, body language and "looks" when someone is in distress and asking for help. at work, i almost always gotta deal w/ creepers because i'm a relatively pretty lady w/ a gentle, sweet and professional personality. i am unfortunately down in the box office (i work in a movie theatre) by myself w/ almost no one around except maybe a security guard. i would normally try to, politely, nudge the creeper out as quickly as possible (whether they buy a ticket or not), or just passively "ignore" them and busy myself w/ another guest. in both cases, theyd eventually wander off in which case i'd then go to the security guard on duty and tell them to keep an eye on the creeper in question and turn them away if they could, or, even better, if one of the managers happens to come down while the creeper is still around then i'll tell them what happened. manangement at my job are great, they are very protective of us employees and they have our backs no matter what. for example, there was one time a creeper, who is a repeated offender (though i havent seen him in quite awhile, thank heavens), visited the theatre and was chatting me up, asking me really personal questions that made me super uncomfortable. when he left, the head manager of our particular theatre came down and i quickly grabbed him, took him aside and told him that repeated offending creeper stopped by again and made me super uncomfortable. the head manager took the situation very seriously and even stuck around in the lobby w/ me, since security wasnt in at that time (it was early morning and security doesnt come in until around 2pm EST), until he was certain the dude didnt return, telling me to call for back-up if i see the guy again before heading back upstairs. i have pretty telling signs i'm in distress, so i normally dont HAVE to say anything, but i know that sometimes not everyone is paying attention nor available and i have to communicate my concerns. back on topic, idk if the DM was doing what she did INTENTIONALLY due that specific incident, but, again, as Wife said she couldve been doing it subconsciously out of spite for the OP "not defending her from the creeper when she needed him"
In real life, if someone won't ask for help, there will be no helping them. All you'll do is potentially antagonize everyone else when you play white knight and they pretend nothing is wrong. It's like intervening in someone else's lovers' quarrel when you know they'll both just turn on you.
Her POV is tainted because she has a profession where people literally come to her for help.
@timreynolds4785 thats why i say ppl should speak up because not everyone are mind readers. ofc you shouldnt butt in every time something is happening that you might find distressing because you dont know the situation at hand, or maybe the person "in distress" has it handled. i'm just saying Wife has a point that you need to speak up and not get passive-aggressive when you feel like youve been "ignored" while in distress
On the first story, to me it kind of depends on the fantasy whether an artificer is strictly doing magic. Their effects are somewhat a blend of magic and technology, so I typically describe my artificers making small adjustments to their gear or using a device they built in order to "cast" any spells.
Although mechanically, it is 100% magic and could be detected by Detect Magic, dispelled by Dispel Magic, blocked by Counterspell...
LOL! "This kid is a damn death sentence!!!" **pushes basket into a river and it floats away.... baby inside giggles and gurbles spit and says, 'Death Sentence!' and does a squealing giggle....**
in defense of artificer guy in the one instance, artificers can sometimes be flavored to not be doing magic but simply doing magic like feats with their technology(some spells are easier to flavor than others admittedly and I don't know exactly how their abilities work rules as written mechanically) so it's possible he was playing it as that so to him he wasn't actually using magic. though maybe something to talk about with your dm before the game to make sure they're cool with it and all that
For the first story, I would wonder if the DM's worry about the player looking up at their character had less to do with being noticed and more to do with the implications that they may be looking up a skirt -- the player already tried to push for the character to be more sexualized (even trying to get the image to be something that the OP said was a little NSFW), so they might have felt like it was another instance of them trying to sexualize their character.
I was literally thinking the same thing when they read that part of the story. Also, considering that this player was pestering the DM to make a sexualized character before the campaign even started, I can understand if this DM started the session already annoyed with the Artificer.
I’m so lucky that the group I’m in only has maybe one ‘problem player’, I use quotes because she’s not really a bad player but she does get distracted a lot. Thing is I’d rather have that one occasional distraction than never play with my friends, although I’m getting ready to be DM for our group after tonight so I won’t be in the action I’ll be making the action!
As a woman who plays DND with an amazing group of friends but has experienced creepy behavior at game/dice/mini shops…I can’t imagine dealing with what these people do
Boundaries should be made clear. If some guy is creepy then point it out loud and shame him if he keeps doing it. Guys will naturally come and save you if they see obvious drama happening. However if you're just being silent, then other guys around you just reads it "oh she is interested in that creep" and won't do anything. Usually these issues happen mostly to women who are too passive/submissive so they never say it out loud that something is unacceptable. Creeps love these types of girls.
Yeah, and as a fellow female the dude who got two characters killed did nothing wrong. I doubt I'd have noticed either if all she was doing was glancing at me. It's sad, but the advice about creating a safeword or using an obvious nonverbal signal is good.
@@Tespri Honestly I think I can usually tell when someone seems creeped out by someone else, but even then I'm not going to step in unless I get clear indication that someone is uncomfortable. Nobody wants to speak up in a situation where it turns out nothing is wrong and *you* end up being weird for thinking otherwise.
@@thebigmeme7534 That is true. There have been times when I managed to read situation correct and rescue girl in subtle way. But sometimes it's hard to tell depending on girl's social skills regarding of acting.
I had a guy in my game that entered a dungeon called the Eye of the All-Father. There were these statues that were part of a puzzle, that are all trapped if you do things incorrectly. This problem player is a dwarf, and had massive problems with giants. This was a giant's temple btw. So he says "I hate giants. I walk up to the statue and hit it with my axe, then piss on it."
So I say, "Okay. Four earth elementals rise up from the ground and start punching you in the dick, roll for initiative."
That was the trap that the statue had, to summon earth elementals (minus the dick punching). He wasn't with us for long as he did this to every statue, one of which contained a meteor swarm. I chose to forgo that one for the party's sake.
Both the artificer and the DM are people who I would not play with. DMs who play PCs at the same time suck. And she tried to railroad the plot.
Disconnecting from dnd, the advice is great for being in a public place and getting in an uncomfortable situation. In the workplace or a place where you know other people. Having a safe word is great. At work we have ear pieces wired to a radio, so it’s obvious we have them. We have the safe word dumpster fire. So over the radio we can be like oh shoot did you say dumpster fire, be right there. So it’s a very viable excuse to walk away in a hurry from someone, and then if we don’t show up in the office or to the back door after a little while others know to come find you to get you out of the situation.
Stuff like this is fine and all in an office work space if you're security or something, but in most circumstances it's best to confront the problem rather than push it under the rug.
Im sure this video will have no horrid things happening
I had to pause when Duke said ‘deter’
isnt it mentioned somewhere that artificers can be flavored as using science and gadgets rather than magic? since all of their stuff revolves around the tools and items they create?
That second story. Just wow. Its clear they were a couple but still. Thats very many levels of no communication.
"I am Wife" is a great tagline. I like your horrow stories videos. keep them coming. You are both insighful and enjoyable to watch
This videos make me realise how many dnd reddit users there are with awfully poor social skills and how lucky i am with my groups
I smiled just from the wholesome intro. You two are just fantastic nerds.
I the first story of this was AITA it would be an everybody sucks here badge. The DM is telling the PC their actions and not being flexible. Its okay to have restrictions, but you need to work with players to make it work in your restrictive settings not just let them play a character and then nerf it. They also should jump in and address the problem player right away or pause the session and reiterate the table expectations. Everyone having fun together is more important than your world building. The artificer is trying to tell people what to play, arguing with everyone, steamrolling/inflexible, and not thinking of anyone's enjoyment but their own.
Agree with this. My DM has a similar world where it is illegal for most people to use magic, but he worked with us to make sure we could play what we wanted (I'm a lizardfolk hex blade) and made it clear about how our characters would be perceived in the world. However, the artificer should have been more respectful of the game as a story rather than treating like Skyrim or something where you're the only one playing.
Sounds To me like the DM rolled a nat one on the performance of giving looks for help, and three nat twenties on the intimidation checks
When it starts out with a DM-PC, and issues over the DM-PC class... weird it turned out to be a horror story.
Artificers can be described as
"Magic inventors/blacksmiths"
I’m duke and this is wife. I’m wiiiiiife!
1:11 I think the "needs to breathe" part is, on it's own, sufficient of an explanation for her to keep breathing.
Your take to flip D&D fails into salient advice works well with your dynamic with "wife". Thanks so much for this
As a fun note related to something which came up in the first story: At least in America, a contract signed with a false name can still be legally binding. If you renege on it, you could get in *extra* trouble for your fraudulent actions, but it would not automatically negate the contract.
(I ended up having to read up on this after the party’s sketchy wizard signed a contract with the party’s sketchy monk using an alias. And due to a unique set of circumstances, my straight-laced ranger has been paying off the wizard’s debt to the monk ever since.)
Idk, what if someone FORCES you to sign a clearly shady contract without even letting you read, or its 100% bad and you never wanted to deal with neither 'perks' or obligations it places on you, just get away?
@@FlamesAndShadows If someone *forces* you to sign a contract, (I mean really forced, rather than, “hey, you can’t ride the zip line without signing these liability papers,”) the contract would not be legally binding even if you signed your REAL name.
My Ranger’s situation is that he completely knowingly signed papers making him legally responsible for the actions of the other members of the party. Then, the Wizard signed a contract I specifically advised him against signing, reneged on his end of the bad deal, and left my Ranger to pay for his bad decision. (The wizard also tried to use, “I signed the contract *ironically*” as a defense, and that didn’t work either.)
@@FentonHardyFan Your Ranger should've 'ironically' hunted him down and brought back, bounty hunter style, to pay his dues and be free from the resonsibility. Its up to the rest of the party if you roleplay staging a breakout later :P
@@FlamesAndShadows Oh, the sketchy Wizard never left the party. And the sketchy Monk my Ranger owed an ever increasing amount of money to *also* continued with the party for quite a while. Because of my Ranger’s personality and morality, he was disgruntled, but determined to pay off the debt. Ended up transferring his debt to one of his older brothers, and saved all the money he made adventuring to pay his brother back. My poor Ranger had finally collected enough money to pay off his debt when he got disintegrated by an Anathema a few weeks ago. 🤦♀️
@@FentonHardyFan Aw shit, I'm sorry, hope the 'new person stumbled upon by the party's is the luckier one. And when you just payed off too(( No choice between debt free stranger or 'inheritance'. What was the deal with being saddled with the party's problems? I thought it had at least some leadership perks attached? At that point DM should've adopted an NPC into the party to take all that flack or something. This is Bob the Goblin, he's responsible for all our sins. X'D
Also a horrific setup just occured: a lawful good teacher trainee was whisked by, insert plot McGuffin here, to a faraway dangerous land (all DnD of course including races) and has to get them back safely because they need that job, except all the kids (other players) are much shadier alightment bastards and completely out of control. Because your being responsible for shit selfish idiots leave you with just has this vibe. :/
Before I watched the video I was thinking "How did the player not notice the dm??? they're the one controlling the entire game"
Y'all talking about the safe words reminded me of when in private security we would use different tacos when dealing with a situation bean and cheese was the big one of needing help immediately as well as police
That group held you back Artificer. Team up with Derrick the Ball Collector.
These stories make me so grateful that I have such an awesome DM!
really enjoy the duke and wife sit down and chat format. you two have great insights and play off of each other very well.
I agree with wife. Looks of “help me”won’t cut it. That DM should’ve said something if she felt uncomfortable and walked over to the other guy (dm/player?) in the room. Wife is also right people aren’t going to be looking at faces for pleas of assistance if the conversation sounds like it’s just about d&d. That DM definitely took it out on that player later. Duke’s idea about a safe word is 👌 too.
Especially when they weren’t even looking..how are glances gonna do anything if the person you’re looking towards IS NOT LOOKING AT YOU?? That’s just being petty!
Easiest way she could of solved the solution was calling over OP to do something and THEN giving the looks or say something they’ll understand is a “pls help me”
Before I played my first campaign, I knew not to argue with the DM. If there is an issue that bugs you, talk to them after the game but what they say goes
4:00 “I tried to deeder him” 😂
I've only once brought a PC from a previous campaign into a new one, and it was specifically so he could die, tanking damage for the 1st level or 2 so the other players had a better chance of survival Somehow despite several near death experiences Thomas Genericman is now 5th level and I'm wondering how?
several of my PCs from old campaigns have ended up as NPCs when I run games, but I tend to keep them in the background as easter eggs for the other players
Had a character myself die 3 times over a few sessions and we as a group had a blast over the narrative. We where playing a 3.5 homebrew style game, 5 of us including dm, I played a male warlock tiefling. We set up on a dark campaign where we where all evil or at best neutral. We got to the first boss who was kinda like Sauron where he had a ring of immense power. We killed him, me dealing the final blow. I took the ring and put it on (there was a mild warning from dm ooc but nothing to give away what would happen) immediately killing my character. 2 sessions later the dm and I schemed up a plan to resurrect the character npc style for short live. One of the other characters upon seeing my character return screamed in disbelief and immolated him in the alleyway to the inn. Lots of laughs at the 3 second 2nd chance. To which the dm reanimated the character as a type of undead that was another flavored encounter and took like another 3 seconds to kill. It brought us to a new BBEG. Also at this time I had begun playing as my former characters sister who had been looking for him and it only made for more fun for our table as she no longer really got along with anyone from that point after they murdered her brother twice in front of her. Definitely a better experience on character deaths. Super side note, we never where super serious on playing, it was all about hanging out and having a good time while playing, wasn't uncommon to go through like 2 or more characters per campaign.
7:22 OP being a DM and playing a PC is a HUGE red flag about this story.
YES! She just wanted the story to revolve around her cgaracter.
It also seems like the Artificer was suffering from First Player syndrome.
Where they think they are the most important player in the room.
No wonder his other games fizzled out.
Pull the friend into the conversation. "Hey man, what do you think of this person's story? It'd be cool to get a second perspective."
18:00 if she was giving the dude looks to let him know she was uncomfortable then that means she can see him and can see that hes not fucking looking at her lmao. Its entirely on her, she fucked up.
When I worked as a grad student in a university writing center, it was a public space with lots of people around. The undergraduate writing tutors (men and women both, but mostly the women) would encounter a lot of weirdos, creepers, and occasionally dangerous people...because it *was* an open, public space. I would listen for issues, but I didn't always hear them since I was facing the front with my back to the main room and was answering the phone, talking to students, etc. Trouble wasn't constant, but it was a consistent enough that we developed strategies for tutors to request assistance without creating a problem. One way a tutor could signal an issue was to call over to someone else, asking for a particular item. The item was a code phrase that meant, "I need assistance!" One other item was a code phrase that meant, "Call the police." I think the advice to consider alternate strategies for requesting assistance is sound.
That said, even though I think the OP mostly was innocent (based on what I heard), he(?)/they could have a bit more situationally aware in the future. All I mean is that, given them being in a public space where any rando could walk in, they might have looked over once or twice to visually verify the situation. Advice for the future is all.
The fact that there even had to be an argument about the Artificer's legal name mid-session implies that the player did not have this "real name" picked out or okayed by the DM before they started playing, and just randomly, mid-game, decided he wanted to be known as 'Death Sentence' for cool guy or edgy reasons. Else they hid it from the DM wanting it to be a reveal even to them, which you should never do as a player. DM needs to know everything about your character to plan the game properly.
Am I the only one who wants to call wife Duchess? Like she is more than wife and duchess is such a perfect name if we view them as a couple which we know they are XD
The only thing I didn't get about the first story is what's the issue with having a dumb name for your PC? That's not a moment for the DM to say "Hmm no that's too stupid to work" that's a "Hey that's really stupid here's some NPC's to point out why that's weird/some roleplay opportunities on why no one would believe the weird name leading into their npc's life goal to learn to blacksmith despite the hardships of having a weird name"
I'll put this as a secomd post, but here's a great code word for a D&D gameshop: "Hey, can I borrow a Silver Dragon Mini?"
I have enjoyed your work OVER THE YEars brother. I wish you the best always, but take the time to put your quality level of production into this segment as well, and I'm sure you will find success in this format too.
I think ironicly a good dnd safe word would be "in the Eye of of the Beholder.
Shes sitting in the trees playing a flute you would hear her.
Ladies. Use your words. Because Im the first kind of guy to come bat for you, but we don't know the situation. Idk if he is your bf and your having an argument or what.
So just saying the words, "You are making me uncomfortable, can you leave." Is a great first step to getting someone in the room to noticing your situation.
In the first situation, I think both the GM and the Artificer shared the blame, but neither were really "the bad guy". Both seem to have the issue of being mildly annoying, but their styles of annoying clashed to make things awful where a different blend of annoyings can blend together with no real issues.
Does feel like two people who “have to win” clashing with each other. GMs that like to apply endless lists of restrictions can easily end up with frustrated people trying to find routes round them if they aren’t very clear in session zero and know the players style. Feels like both parties share the blame without knowing more. I think your take is spot on.
If he didn't like the setting or the rules, they didn't need to join.
No the artifice was trying to bulldoze the campaign .
@@AliceRinGameLand Trying to interact with the GM's character and being told "No, you can't see me even though I am playing a pan flute in an obvious manner" doesn't seem very bulldozer to me. He just wanted to be an edgelord, which while a little cringe, isn't uncommon.
To anyone who DMs or will EVER DM: if an argument goes on with a player for more than 5 minutes, tell that player they can either shut up or leave. YOU are the DM. YOU spend WAY more time prepping and planning and running your adventures. You do NOT have to deal with their bs. Players are a dime a dozen. DMs are unicorns.
Female DM here of 25 years. How do you get help in a game store when a creeper is bugging you? You tell the creeper, "Oh, hey, Brad knows WAY more about that than me." And before he can open his mouth to speak again, you shout to your backup, "Hey Brad, c'mere. This guy wants to know how Rituals work in combat." Straight up, creeper will bow out.
Not gonna lie, when I first read the title, I thought it was like "she liked him, but was annoyed he didn't respond to her flirting so did that old weird 'pick on the person you like' thing", and that the thumbnail was from the other story, lol.
The two kills DM sounds like a new DM.
Guys I seriously love your content so much! I am sad that Duke's safe word story was in salt lake City cuz that is where I am at hahaha
Why even give that huge hint about water to player? As DM he could just ask for perception check and then proceed with. "While you refresh yourself with water, you don't spot anything out of ordinary in your surroundings."
Sure, it might've been a bit "hint hint, nudge nudge"-ish, but I mean, it still doesn't excuse the metagaming from the other player. And the other players seemed to be able to ignore that since they also started arguing with the artificer guy.
You probably didn't mean it in that way, I just felt like mentioning it. The DM definitively could've been sneakier, I'm honestly surprised the other players didn't even accidentally metagame when faced with that question, haha.
@@phoenixjklin For me it is not problem of metagaming. Because DM basicaly say. Yes i want you to find out, but can you choose more believable method. And if nobody else came with better method, DM should take what he got from his hint.
@@Name_Some Which hint? she just said "does anyone want to drink from the river?" and "you think the water is perfectly safe", maybe you could be suspicious but there nothing that she said or in the campaing told them that was specifically suspicious as she was a PC too, this is coherent with monk and fighter reaction to detect magic saying their characters are clueless about the evil stuff happening.
Also, don't always read on what people say, sometimes people mean exactly what they said with the word they choose.
2nd story: Idk why but this is specifically a thing women do most the time when I'm out in social events. Women will act really nice bc they dont want confrontation, but then get mad when OTHERS dont help them. This similar occurrence mostly happened at the college parties where after the creep goes away and the girls say something along the lines of, "I cant believe nobody tried to distract that creep."
I've had this happen at a store where I heard a woman say "WTF ARE YOU DOING GET AWAY FROM ME", turned out to be her boyfriend and they were going through a rough patch or something.
honesty i avoid confrontation becose i know if the dude get's mad/trigers he can beat me up.
bad DM, bad player, bad bad bad.(first story)
in my game my Artificers stuff dose not court as magic but healing but me and the Artificer talk about this and what it means before the game
18:12 the male brain is wired to ignore distractions
He is literally me if I ever were to try streaming with my wife. Love it
After the bit about the busty satyr in the beginning, Story 1 was a pretty big letdown TBH.
I'm thinking that the 38 other campaigns are still going strong just without that "player" in them.
A LOT of these are very likely "No, really, guys!" type stories.
Very good level-headed advice.
one guy in my group a guy managed to die 3 times in one session... (what my DM told me, I was missing for that session):
the first time he apparently cheated (I don't know how he exacly died, but the way I got it the DM wasn't even trying to kill him)
the second time was just stupid (running into the obviosly electrecuted fog)
the third time was just bad luck (anther player hit him with his greatsword after a nat 1)
non of that was inteded by the DM... (we are all pretty new)
also it can't be normal that you get reset to level 1 when you die, right?
I suspect a lot of the people in these stories are Autistic, largely because I am too, and I can understand why people would do that stuff. Also, there are a lot of autistic people in the D&D community, because it’s just a really autism friendly game. Heck the way you guys talk about yourselves I suspect you two probably are as well. Nothing wrong with it, I know it super stigmatized, but it’s just how people are. As I said I’m autistic too. Love your videos btw. You are a really cool dude.
The spectrum is so vast that many people who would not consider themselves actually are.
Charles university, its either big coincidence or guy from story one is czech
what are you using to push your R0de mics I have the same mic but go xlr has to be at like 90% to hear it
Pop filters might be a good investment
The first story to me had some red flags from the OP as well. I get the feeling there was some embellishments made, and some info not added. If the player was that much of a problem BEFORE the first session, why were they even allowed to continue? If only clerics and paladins of a certain god are allowed to use magic, why was he allowed to make an Artificer if the DM believes Artificers use magic? Not saying the Artificer is completely innocent in this, but I just get the feeling the DM isn't as innocent as they are making themselves out to be either. I have played with DMs before that drop BS 'world lore' reasons as to why I can't do something, just to stop me from doing something they didn't like. Some of that 'really detailed world' things he was praising the DM for could have easily been BS reason made up on the spot to stop the player from doing something the DM didn't like.
OH NO THE OUTRO PART STARTS AT 21:37
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Story 1. Does this DM understand how eyes work? Like, even without music you can still see a person in a tree as you approach, unless they are very well covered by foliage. Player may be toxic but to me it sounds like they are mostly just reacting to the DM repeatedly shutting them down.
Eh, I get the vibe that the artificer was determined to latch onto the DM at the first opportunity and she was twitchy about that when he immediately zeroed in on her npc.
Everything else could just come down to "oh, I explained badly, let me set the scene again, as this person did specifically choose a spot that would hide them from below, so you would just hear nearby music". Lots of ways they could be hidden from a casual glance up (dense leaves, sun in eyes, massive tree branch, in nest at top of trunk... ) the problem is each party just deciding that they were/weren't visible automatically instead of going "I look around for the source of music", "okay make a perception check".
@@flynn9037 Unless the DM for some reason didn't want the player to find her, i really don't see the problem, i mean why drag the scene out if it's the first session, don't you want the party to meet up and go on a quest? The fact that the DM found such a convoluted reason why the Artificer couldn't meet her character stinks of being a contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
The rest of the story reads that way too. Especially when the player tried to join the clergy so he could actually use his character properly, and then the DM makes up a completely unreasonable requirement for him to do so. Like, are we going to stop the campaign for 5 years so that the player can attend college?
It seems to me that the player was doing their best to play their character while also finding a compromise within the rules, and the DM was actively making up reasons to shut him down.
@@viktorkolaric4156 I agree somewhat with you but i don't think "the player was doing their best to play their character while also finding a compromise within the rules" he was metagaming and not following the rules. If you take into account how fighter and monk behaved maybe there was a session 0. I stilll think that she could have handled their meeting better, but we were not there and i don't know how it went in terms of voice, tone, expressions, etc.
@@Eustres Metagaming is really really subjective tho. How many RPG horror stories are there based on "That's what my character would do" trope. Technically every time you do something apart from what your character would do you are metagaming. To me metagaming is only metagaming when it's based on the information that the player had but NPC didn't, and there was no way they could have deduced it. Even then, busting into a room where your team mate is about to have their ass handed to them because your character had a hunch could technically be metagaming, but it's also a well established fantasy trope. Metagaming is only really a problem when it makes the game unfun.
Nice update.
I love D&D but I never play anymore because I just can't deal with the inevitable drama like this that follows.
I never let people bring in characters from someone else's game.
Hell I rarely let people use a character fro a different game I've run.
Hehehe. "Deeter."
I have a character that I’m currently playing called Dave a aasimar with the sub race of protector aasimar so I just feel ashamed that such a poor sport would disgrace the race of aasimar
Artificers are not technically magic. It depends how you roleplay them and upon DM approval. Lighten up DM's.
Safe phrase: " Karsus did nothing wrong."
Tinkerbell would be a fairy artificer if you follow the Tinkerbell movies
Congrats on the pregnancy ❤
Sounds to me both parties are at fault for this - a DM needs to be flexible with their players, but WOW - as a player, respect the GM as the GAME MASTER
Chick in the second story also needs to realize something important.
Let's be real.
She's in a nerdy hobby shop.
People in this setting are famous for not being the best with social queues and subtle hints.
Giving the guy 'looks' while he's busy and expecting him to read your mind is stupid. And to then get mad at him and go for revenge after, is just being a vindictive jerk.
ive got a funny story i was added in late to a group with a homebrew of a cursed dragonborn sorcerer starting at lvl 1 as the rest of the party was already lvl 3 the very first meeting my character rolled a intimidation check to see if they rest of the party would listen to what my character had to say i rolled a nat 20 with my +6 intimidation little to say my character first meeting the party caused them to piss there pants and cower as my character stood over them trying to be friendly little to say the rest of the group were not 100% sure i was not the big bad they would have to fight at the end 😂😂😂
I hate when people get mad cause I am not a mind-reader.
The aasimar artificer is clearly the arsehole of the first story, but 1) OP didn't do a good job of explaining the whole tree conflict (which I still don't understand) and 2) just outright asking the party if they're going to drink from a river that you know is cursed seems like sub-par DMing to me.
She could've hinted that maybe their water skins might be running low after she mentioned the river in her scene-setting or described the river in a way that makes it sound very refreshing (which could even be part of the curse).
Another approach is to ask the players directly but in a way that makes it obvious that there's a potential risk involved.
Now that only works in groups where there's a lot of trust between the DM/GM and the players, but it sounds like she had that level of trust with the fighter and the monk. 😕
Where do they read these?
2nd doesn't fit the fool me twice saying. How's he supposed to know she's taking it out on him with 1 player death??? Its only the 2nd one happening quickly that would give that away. Which, with his next character he's going in to not be fooled.
I really feel for the girl in the first story, nobody deserves to be made to feel that way, but at the end of the day, you can’t hear a look