I'm going to save people time and make this statement right now- this is the pinnacle of rifle performance. You can chase the performance dragon all you want, you can buy a KAC SR 15, you can grab an all ambi ADAC or LMT lower, you can dump endless amounts of money experimenting and trying to tweak your builds to get marginal increases in performance- but what this guy has right here butts right up against the diminishing returns aspect of ARs. Anything beyond this is hubris, and you can still perform fantastically with less. Great setup, good video. Hope to see more from you soon.
As someone with KAC and LMT rifles along with some other “Gucci” rifles. I second this statement. There’s definitely a point of diminishing return with high end rifles and accessories, he did a great job of maximizing cost to benefit with this rifle!
Thank you for the informative vid! I have an almost identical rifle setup, a 14.5" Geissele Super Duty with a 1-8 LPVO, and my next big purchase plan is a suppressor for it. I have been torn between the Socom Mini or the full-sized version; I had the opportunity to try the full-sized one and felt it was satisfactory on weight/length, but the ideal optimization of the Mini for this barrel length has kept me from committing to one yet. Online sources seem split 50/50 on Socom vs Socom Mini for 14.5"s so I greatly appreciate the analysis of the Mini + practical footage of it in use on a GPR build. And it looks cool, which is obviously the most important detail.
Here’s the way I look at it. The mini is going to give you everything you need out of a suppressor. Most important being flash reduction. But the full sized will do everything better, except it’s going to be longer and heavier. If the length and the weight don’t bother you then maybe the full sized is the right choice. I have short ARs and long ARs. I use the full sized Rc2 on the short ones and the mini on my long ARs. I have both so I’m not missing anything but if I could only choose one, I would probably get the full sized if I’m completely honest. But if you plan on getting both eventually, then start with the mini. When you get an sbr then get a regular Rc2 for it. I’ll more than likely do a video comparing both of them on a 14.5 setup because people seem to have a hard time making a decision between the 2 and I totally get it.
Get the huxworks 556k can or the Griffin 556 HRT dual lock. Both are good flow thru designs Only advantage to the surefire at this point is clout on the firing line/ range
@@Not_very_grey I've heard this before but I havent seen any sciency videos or pew science info showing this to be true -- if you could direct me to your data points I'd be greatful. My feeling was that the huxworx 3D can may have a little less longevity but as companies focus on the flow thru as an industry standard and produce a stainless construction like the Griffin HRT dual lock that uses the same flow thru helix design would result in a stronger but heavier can. That being said, for now I use my M4SD-K can and breathe in all that lead poison. Smells like...freedom.
PSA isn't the best sure. But they definitely are absolutely reliable. That being said you should always check and inspect a new firearm and make everything is locktighted, not loose, and alignedproperly. That goes with any gun from any manufacturer. If you know what to look for then any "budget" AR gun can serve you well if properly maintained.
love how you explained why you went with the mini instead of full size. bc im in the same boat right now but with the saker 556 and the saker 556k. im torn on which i want for my 14.5. it just bugs me the shorter one will be just a tad louder than the longer one and im wondering if thats even a thing to worry about as a trade off and also more recoil being that its lighter. so much overthinking going on right now in my head
So for me, sound is not what I’m after. It’s muzzle signature reduction as a whole. On the Rc2 mini vr the regular Rc2. I use both cans and I honestly don’t hear much of a difference. If you were to take a decibel reader then yeah you would definitely see a difference. But all in all, the full sized will always be better in every way….. except for size haha. My logic with the mini was “it does a good enough job on a 14.5 in every parameter I want a suppresser to be good at, and it’s shorter, so less weight, and less length” so that’s what I went with. If being a couple inches longer doesn’t bother you then by all means get the full sized.
Supersonic crack exists no matter what can you pick. The flowthru cans appear to be cleaner and less extra gas to the gun and shooter. Everything else will seem like a legacy design in a couple years.
@@Not_very_grey I was thinking about going with the mini RC2 for my 16 inch mid length rifle. I think it will be quiet enough, and not too long for the longer barrel. I'm still deciding if I want one the gun at all.
@@jhutch1470definitely go for it, you can’t go wrong with a surefire can. I promise you will be happy you got one. Nothing wrong with running a Rc2 on a 16in.
The Rc2 vr Rc2 mini2 video is out. Just a heads up, I remembered you comment so if you haven’t made a decision yet go check out the video, hopefully it helps.
Using a Daniel Defense 14.5 mid, with a Vltor A5H3, & it runs everything ive put through it. My upper & lower are from V7 Weapons (M4 series) not ultralight stuff. Surefire Warcomp Closed Tine, & its setup the way i personally like it.
I have the same ATPIAL, flashlight, Axon switch, charging handle, and CTR stock. I do run a Romeo 5 XDR red dot, and a Juliet 4 magnifier. My G24 mount should be here in a week, then a PVS-14 and a J arm. I am heading almost the exact same direction that you are. LOL
Got almost the same exact setup. Colt lower and URGI 14.5" upper too...wierd. I chose the Razor 1-6 + 1moa RMR top dot as well. Plan to upgrade to the new RMR HD and PA Plxc 1-8 at some point Only difference would be my removable magpul bipod and BCM storage stock and storage foregrip + my embarassingly poor multicam spray paint attempt Good video. Thumbs up and a sub
Nice set up. I gave up on an lpvo (I tried the top four brands) and went to an eotech exps3-4 with the 4 dot bdc and a g45 5x magnifier. I tried the LPVOs for a couple years but couldn’t get the same efficiency with them as with my eotech, even at distance. It sucks because I am a long range shooter and love traditional scopes more than red dots. But it is what it is. Edited to add. 100% spot on with your gas length rant. People under gassing their shtf guns is dumb as eff in my opinion. It’s like people putting comps on their 9mm duty pistol. They don’t realize what they are doing to the reliability. Some ammo is just underpowered.
I’ve found with lpvos it just depends on the person, it’s a hit or a miss. I also have a exps3-4 and a g45 on another rifle. I love that setup as well.
I just found your channel by accident dude and I hope it takes off! just curious. Is that upper a URGI upper or was it pieces together with the (what looks like) mk16 Geissele rail
Thank you I greatly appreciate that. And merry Christmas. So the upper itself started life off as a basic colt and I just did a mk16 rail (the actual urgi one, not the super duty one) and a 14.5 mid length geissele barrel. I have a 14.5 mid dd barrel for it as well (which is actually clone correct) whenever this g barrel burns out.
6:00 1-6 lpvos are probably peak for gunning performance plus distance work. I dont run a rds on my 1-6, but I'll likely put one on a high end 1-10 (delta 1-10/ dare I say MARCH) when I get it for eyebox and nv use (whenever I finally get some)
fantastic video and sick rifle. I want to build a setup just like that. work on balancing audio between intros and talking segments and your channel will go places!
Is that Badger mount 1.7 or lower? I'm torn on top mount vs 45/35 offset since I already have the 1.7 and think the top mounted red dot would be too high to use comfortably.
It is the 1.7. It’s high, but definitely not to high. I have the pmm red dot mount, it actually sets quite a bit lower than the one badger offers. Pmm made it specifically for the badger mount for that reason. Personally I dint worry about hight, I worry more about how useful it will be for night vision personally. You can also get a cheek riser to help if it’s something you just can’t get accustomed to. The larue cheek riser is my favorite and it doesn’t get in the way of the charging handle, it only works with a ctr stock though
@@Not_very_grey Thanks for the info. I had no idea there were other offerings for badger red dot mounts with their scope mounts. I will check out the PMM option.
1.5" for the win imho When you're in prone the tall mounts suck unless your a Neanderthal and this isnt an 11" cqb rifle. Reptilia makes a couple risers for the top mount dot so you can perfect your cheek riser, and dot height combination to fit your face / "chin weld"
@@Not_very_grey thank you for the reply. I was just trying to figure out how high I wanted to go to do a top mounted red dot or a 35/45 % do you get on target with your LPVO pretty quick, but a 1.7
@@Jjsaba2008 yes consistent ready up drills with this lpvo. I’ve used this setup long enough I get the same times as I do with my red dots. I have another video where I go through some drills using this setup. I will definitely have some more higher quality videos of shooting drills coming out soon. I plan on doing a comparison video between red dots and lpvos too. If you go with the badger mount I suggest going with the pmm piggy back mount for the red dot. The badger mount for the red dot is just a tad bit to high for my liking.
Watch my other videos and see if your opinion changes 🤷♂️ I believe I have my own stile. But at the end of the day a montage is a montage and everyone does them.
@@WindowsPlaysFPS it’s an h3 with standard spring. I’ll be testing out a veltor in the near future. The main thing is the Rc2 mini adds a tad bit more back pressure than the full sized Rc2. Without the suppressor the rifle is gassed right where I want it. So it’s probably as good as it’s going to get for now. People pay to much attention to shell ejection and gassing on ARs imo. As I said in the video, it’s my do it all gun, it’s intentionally gassed the way it is so it can shoot any ammunition and run with and without a suppressor. I’ll have my other guns in later videos, they are gassed more for comfort.
@@Not_very_grey highly recommend the Vltor system with a springco green and A5H3. I have a mk-18 with a 10.3 criterion barrel, RC2, and the VLTOR A5H3 with a green spring. Incredibly soft shooting and to my surprise removing or adding my can only changes it from 4o clock without the can to about 3-3:30 with the can using regular brass ammo.
Too funny, farm-LARPing with a 'camera crew'.. BTW folks, in the final years of the Roman Empire they even made celebrities out of the Gladiators who didn't die in the 'arena'.. just sayin.
I'm going to save people time and make this statement right now- this is the pinnacle of rifle performance. You can chase the performance dragon all you want, you can buy a KAC SR 15, you can grab an all ambi ADAC or LMT lower, you can dump endless amounts of money experimenting and trying to tweak your builds to get marginal increases in performance- but what this guy has right here butts right up against the diminishing returns aspect of ARs. Anything beyond this is hubris, and you can still perform fantastically with less. Great setup, good video. Hope to see more from you soon.
Thank you I really appreciate it, I definitely have more content coming.
As someone with KAC and LMT rifles along with some other “Gucci” rifles. I second this statement. There’s definitely a point of diminishing return with high end rifles and accessories, he did a great job of maximizing cost to benefit with this rifle!
Agreed. I run a newer urgi, aero lower. Basic but quality parts and it’s taken care of me for 3000 rounds so far.
🤦♂️
Absolutely sweet build, my dream GPR setup is pretty functionally identical
Thank you for the informative vid! I have an almost identical rifle setup, a 14.5" Geissele Super Duty with a 1-8 LPVO, and my next big purchase plan is a suppressor for it. I have been torn between the Socom Mini or the full-sized version; I had the opportunity to try the full-sized one and felt it was satisfactory on weight/length, but the ideal optimization of the Mini for this barrel length has kept me from committing to one yet.
Online sources seem split 50/50 on Socom vs Socom Mini for 14.5"s so I greatly appreciate the analysis of the Mini + practical footage of it in use on a GPR build. And it looks cool, which is obviously the most important detail.
Here’s the way I look at it. The mini is going to give you everything you need out of a suppressor. Most important being flash reduction. But the full sized will do everything better, except it’s going to be longer and heavier. If the length and the weight don’t bother you then maybe the full sized is the right choice. I have short ARs and long ARs. I use the full sized Rc2 on the short ones and the mini on my long ARs. I have both so I’m not missing anything but if I could only choose one, I would probably get the full sized if I’m completely honest. But if you plan on getting both eventually, then start with the mini. When you get an sbr then get a regular Rc2 for it. I’ll more than likely do a video comparing both of them on a 14.5 setup because people seem to have a hard time making a decision between the 2 and I totally get it.
Get the huxworks 556k can or the Griffin 556 HRT dual lock. Both are good flow thru designs
Only advantage to the surefire at this point is clout on the firing line/ range
@@GMRVC1 worth mentioning though, generally flow through cans don’t last as long. Over all round count
@@Not_very_grey I've heard this before but I havent seen any sciency videos or pew science info showing this to be true -- if you could direct me to your data points I'd be greatful.
My feeling was that the huxworx 3D can may have a little less longevity but as companies focus on the flow thru as an industry standard and produce a stainless construction like the Griffin HRT dual lock that uses the same flow thru helix design would result in a stronger but heavier can.
That being said, for now I use my M4SD-K can and breathe in all that lead poison. Smells like...freedom.
@@GMRVC1 hux themselves says their cans last about 10-20k rounds. Surefire Rc2 has been recorded lasting 80k+
“Same way Hi Point owners wipe” earned my like and subscribe 😂😂😂
PSA isn't the best sure. But they definitely are absolutely reliable. That being said you should always check and inspect a new firearm and make everything is locktighted, not loose, and alignedproperly. That goes with any gun from any manufacturer. If you know what to look for then any "budget" AR gun can serve you well if properly maintained.
I have essentially the same set up. Out of the three rifles I have, this is the middle of the pack GPR rifle I usually grab.
Huge fan of Piggyback(12 o'clock) dots. Took about two range trips for it to click.
love how you explained why you went with the mini instead of full size. bc im in the same boat right now but with the saker 556 and the saker 556k. im torn on which i want for my 14.5. it just bugs me the shorter one will be just a tad louder than the longer one and im wondering if thats even a thing to worry about as a trade off and also more recoil being that its lighter. so much overthinking going on right now in my head
So for me, sound is not what I’m after. It’s muzzle signature reduction as a whole. On the Rc2 mini vr the regular Rc2. I use both cans and I honestly don’t hear much of a difference. If you were to take a decibel reader then yeah you would definitely see a difference. But all in all, the full sized will always be better in every way….. except for size haha. My logic with the mini was “it does a good enough job on a 14.5 in every parameter I want a suppresser to be good at, and it’s shorter, so less weight, and less length” so that’s what I went with. If being a couple inches longer doesn’t bother you then by all means get the full sized.
Supersonic crack exists no matter what can you pick. The flowthru cans appear to be cleaner and less extra gas to the gun and shooter. Everything else will seem like a legacy design in a couple years.
@@Not_very_grey I was thinking about going with the mini RC2 for my 16 inch mid length rifle. I think it will be quiet enough, and not too long for the longer barrel. I'm still deciding if I want one the gun at all.
@@jhutch1470definitely go for it, you can’t go wrong with a surefire can. I promise you will be happy you got one. Nothing wrong with running a Rc2 on a 16in.
The Rc2 vr Rc2 mini2 video is out. Just a heads up, I remembered you comment so if you haven’t made a decision yet go check out the video, hopefully it helps.
Considering a flow through can for my 14.5 setup. Hoping it'll cut back on the ☣️
Using a Daniel Defense 14.5 mid, with a Vltor A5H3, & it runs everything ive put through it. My upper & lower are from V7 Weapons (M4 series) not ultralight stuff. Surefire Warcomp Closed Tine, & its setup the way i personally like it.
Correction, it's a Vltor A5H2 buffer, & the only shit ammo it doesn't cycle reliably it Tula Steel 55 gr
I have the same ATPIAL, flashlight, Axon switch, charging handle, and CTR stock.
I do run a Romeo 5 XDR red dot, and a Juliet 4 magnifier. My G24 mount should be here in a week, then a PVS-14 and a J arm. I am heading almost the exact same direction that you are. LOL
Got almost the same exact setup. Colt lower and URGI 14.5" upper too...wierd.
I chose the Razor 1-6 + 1moa RMR top dot as well. Plan to upgrade to the new RMR HD and PA Plxc 1-8 at some point
Only difference would be my removable magpul bipod and BCM storage stock and storage foregrip + my embarassingly poor multicam spray paint attempt
Good video.
Thumbs up and a sub
I was debating for a month if i want a eotech or a lpvo.....i decided today im gina get both with qd mounts 😊
Nice set up.
I gave up on an lpvo (I tried the top four brands) and went to an eotech exps3-4 with the 4 dot bdc and a g45 5x magnifier.
I tried the LPVOs for a couple years but couldn’t get the same efficiency with them as with my eotech, even at distance.
It sucks because I am a long range shooter and love traditional scopes more than red dots. But it is what it is.
Edited to add. 100% spot on with your gas length rant. People under gassing their shtf guns is dumb as eff in my opinion. It’s like people putting comps on their 9mm duty pistol. They don’t realize what they are doing to the reliability. Some ammo is just underpowered.
I’ve found with lpvos it just depends on the person, it’s a hit or a miss. I also have a exps3-4 and a g45 on another rifle. I love that setup as well.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think the URGI is the current best AR15 on the market
I just found your channel by accident dude and I hope it takes off! just curious. Is that upper a URGI upper or was it pieces together with the (what looks like) mk16 Geissele rail
Thank you I greatly appreciate that. And merry Christmas. So the upper itself started life off as a basic colt and I just did a mk16 rail (the actual urgi one, not the super duty one) and a 14.5 mid length geissele barrel. I have a 14.5 mid dd barrel for it as well (which is actually clone correct) whenever this g barrel burns out.
@@Not_very_greyare those rail scales you’re using or different rail panels?
6:00 1-6 lpvos are probably peak for gunning performance plus distance work. I dont run a rds on my 1-6, but I'll likely put one on a high end 1-10 (delta 1-10/ dare I say MARCH) when I get it for eyebox and nv use (whenever I finally get some)
fantastic video and sick rifle. I want to build a setup just like that. work on balancing audio between intros and talking segments and your channel will go places!
Here from DFW Goons. Good vid.
It’s so beautiful
What reticle do you have in the Razor?
The jm1
What lower and buffer are you running with this? I was wanting to swap the h1 out for the h2 if possible.
It’s a colt, I run an h3 buffer
Is that Badger mount 1.7 or lower? I'm torn on top mount vs 45/35 offset since I already have the 1.7 and think the top mounted red dot would be too high to use comfortably.
It is the 1.7. It’s high, but definitely not to high. I have the pmm red dot mount, it actually sets quite a bit lower than the one badger offers. Pmm made it specifically for the badger mount for that reason. Personally I dint worry about hight, I worry more about how useful it will be for night vision personally. You can also get a cheek riser to help if it’s something you just can’t get accustomed to. The larue cheek riser is my favorite and it doesn’t get in the way of the charging handle, it only works with a ctr stock though
@@Not_very_grey Thanks for the info. I had no idea there were other offerings for badger red dot mounts with their scope mounts. I will check out the PMM option.
1.5" for the win imho
When you're in prone the tall mounts suck unless your a Neanderthal and this isnt an 11" cqb rifle.
Reptilia makes a couple risers for the top mount dot so you can perfect your cheek riser, and dot height combination to fit your face / "chin weld"
A PSA is better than nothing. Get yourself a PSA, while you save up for that BCM, DD, or Geissele.
True, definitely get the best you can afford though. My point is. If you can afford better than a psa then don’t get a psa.
Quality content
Just curious to what height and brand is you mount for your LPVO
Badger ordnance and it’s the 1.70 lower 1/3
@@Not_very_grey thank you for the reply. I was just trying to figure out how high I wanted to go to do a top mounted red dot or a 35/45 % do you get on target with your LPVO pretty quick, but a 1.7
@@Jjsaba2008 yes consistent ready up drills with this lpvo. I’ve used this setup long enough I get the same times as I do with my red dots. I have another video where I go through some drills using this setup. I will definitely have some more higher quality videos of shooting drills coming out soon. I plan on doing a comparison video between red dots and lpvos too. If you go with the badger mount I suggest going with the pmm piggy back mount for the red dot. The badger mount for the red dot is just a tad bit to high for my liking.
@@Not_very_grey thank you look forward to the new videos
Hmmm you deserve more subscribers. Im wanting to do a real similar setup with the urgi 14.5 didnt know what can i wanted though
Appreciate it. Can’t go wrong with the Rc2 or the Rc2 mini. I have a video on that coming out soon.
1.7 scope mount?
Yes sir
Good video..
Carbine length gas or mid length?
Mid length
Mid length is the way to go
Muriel Lodge
I could probably best this guy in a fist fight.
I’m your huckleberry
Well he has a gun soooo gg
I could probably beat him in thumb wrestling. I have Sissy Hankshaw thumbs🤫
Good video but try to find your own style instead of trying to be another Garand Thumb.
Watch my other videos and see if your opinion changes 🤷♂️ I believe I have my own stile. But at the end of the day a montage is a montage and everyone does them.
Holy over gassed
It’s high for sure, If the shell ejection was 1:00 and not 2:00 then I’d be like, “yeah you right”
@@Not_very_grey what’s your buffer setup?
@@WindowsPlaysFPS it’s an h3 with standard spring. I’ll be testing out a veltor in the near future. The main thing is the Rc2 mini adds a tad bit more back pressure than the full sized Rc2. Without the suppressor the rifle is gassed right where I want it. So it’s probably as good as it’s going to get for now. People pay to much attention to shell ejection and gassing on ARs imo. As I said in the video, it’s my do it all gun, it’s intentionally gassed the way it is so it can shoot any ammunition and run with and without a suppressor. I’ll have my other guns in later videos, they are gassed more for comfort.
@@Not_very_grey highly recommend the Vltor system with a springco green and A5H3. I have a mk-18 with a 10.3 criterion barrel, RC2, and the VLTOR A5H3 with a green spring. Incredibly soft shooting and to my surprise removing or adding my can only changes it from 4o clock without the can to about 3-3:30 with the can using regular brass ammo.
@@WindowsPlaysFPS awesome, yeah I have a 13.9 triarc, it’s a super soft shooter. Great company. Idk if it would be my end of the world setup though.
Too funny, farm-LARPing with a 'camera crew'..
BTW folks, in the final years of the Roman Empire they even made celebrities out of the Gladiators who didn't die in the 'arena'.. just sayin.
You gotta get with the program dude, this is the new normal