Selective breeding is a staple in the hobby (this is why many "domestic" variants exist) and its even better when the breeding is done to physically to improve their health inside the aquarium, good luck!
This is such an interesting project. I found myself looking for the next part to this. Gonna have to wait for that, but that is what the bell icon is for. lol.
If the fry all share the same parentage, then you select siblings, then are you not perpetuating in-breeding? Would it not be better to breed another second unrelated batch, pick the best of those, then cross the two batches?
Its not so much inbreeding that ruins commercial fish strains its the fact that they continue to breed inferior specimens to increase yield. If a fish has poor color or a deformity they just breed it anyway so they can get that many more fish to sell.
Inbreeding is being perpetuated, yes, the way Menagerie is breeding them is to improve the health of the fish. She’s only picking out the best looking fish with the best physical characteristics/growth rate to improve the health of the next generation of fish. As @misunderstood said, she went through a rigorous culling process, so the effects of inbreeding are minimized when you only use the best specimens to breed. If menagerie continues this series, somewhere down the road she may incorporate new genetics to diversify the gene pool again, to repeat the selective breeding process once more. This selective breeding process can take place for a couple generations before needing to put in new genes. This is just what I summed up through reading detailed conversations between fish breeders of Angel fish, white clouds, and corydoras.
Theres more too it. Most animals are actually pretty resistant to in-breeding and usually the problem is that they were bred for a specific trait with little concern for anything else.
I followed a lady breeding betta for a time. She said she could direct line breed for 14 generations before the spawns became too weak and deformed. I did not have the eye and the knowledge I do now, so I could not say whether her opinion was healthy. I do know that line breeding for a purpose is very effective.
Really cool project and with a fish that definitely could use the help. I kept a beautiful school of pearls back when I first got into the hobby (Back in the 60's to date myself). As you said, mass breeding has not been kind to my old friends and I haven't seen a good group of them in a store in over a decade. Yours are coming along nicely and I'm looking forward to further episodes!
i wonder if you could screen them through stress testing. After all, a fish can look good and seem healthy in ideal conditions but it may otherwise be immunocompromised or have some other internal and systemic problems. This has been an issue with certain cardinal shrimp lines iirc, they are very weak to changes in water parameters and often need almost absurdly doctored water if you dont live in the right places. Alternatively, though this would require a headache inducing setup, i wonder if you could test physical fitness by keeping them in high flow tanks and seeing which ones tire out the fastest.
I love pearl danios, but never succeeded in breeding them. They're both really tricky to catch to isolate for breeding, and are really prone to eating their eggs. Hopefully I'll have sucsess in thr future, they'regreata wonderful, underrated species
Good project. But form pairs with non-related fish... bought or borrowed... Otherwise, you do the same: inbreeding. Yes, is the easiest path to get the shape, colour, etc. but also come with a heavy price: hidden defects and unwanted health issues...
@@masterpython As I said, is not the easiest path. But contributes to the gene pool. I know pigeon breeders that never inbreed.... they do not create the new strains. If you want fast results, you inbreed, but then we have on the market what we have today. What breeders don't say, is the increased percentage of failures from a batch to another...
@@peasantrobot wouldnt you need to get a few hundred individuals from verifiably separate sources to guarantee no inbreeding though? Could you simply make do with a few tens instead?
@@badabing3391 You need a club and several breeding cores, you need to be able to get quality material from club members. Otherwise, just alone you want to be rich... But this can be implemented at farms levels... Where the "human material" must be also exceptional.
Fish inbreeding isn't strictly that big of a deal, especially in a tank environment. The problem is doing it too irresponsibly and breeding in negative traits purely to improve something else.
Very interesting n you’re doing a great dispassionate job which is key. Looking forward to more episodes. God bless your endeavours 👍✝️. ✌️🇷🇺☮️🇺🇦✌️. 🙋♀️🤷🏼♀️🇮🇱✌️
Selective breeding is a staple in the hobby (this is why many "domestic" variants exist) and its even better when the breeding is done to physically to improve their health inside the aquarium, good luck!
I love those types of projects. Really looking forward to the next installments!
Finally some recognition for a very underrated fish!
The fry is super cute!
Really awesome content! 👍👍
This is such an interesting project. I found myself looking for the next part to this. Gonna have to wait for that, but that is what the bell icon is for. lol.
If the fry all share the same parentage, then you select siblings, then are you not perpetuating in-breeding? Would it not be better to breed another second unrelated batch, pick the best of those, then cross the two batches?
Its not so much inbreeding that ruins commercial fish strains its the fact that they continue to breed inferior specimens to increase yield. If a fish has poor color or a deformity they just breed it anyway so they can get that many more fish to sell.
Inbreeding is being perpetuated, yes, the way Menagerie is breeding them is to improve the health of the fish. She’s only picking out the best looking fish with the best physical characteristics/growth rate to improve the health of the next generation of fish.
As @misunderstood said, she went through a rigorous culling process, so the effects of inbreeding are minimized when you only use the best specimens to breed.
If menagerie continues this series, somewhere down the road she may incorporate new genetics to diversify the gene pool again, to repeat the selective breeding process once more. This selective breeding process can take place for a couple generations before needing to put in new genes.
This is just what I summed up through reading detailed conversations between fish breeders of Angel fish, white clouds, and corydoras.
Theres more too it. Most animals are actually pretty resistant to in-breeding and usually the problem is that they were bred for a specific trait with little concern for anything else.
I followed a lady breeding betta for a time. She said she could direct line breed for 14 generations before the spawns became too weak and deformed. I did not have the eye and the knowledge I do now, so I could not say whether her opinion was healthy. I do know that line breeding for a purpose is very effective.
Really cool project and with a fish that definitely could use the help. I kept a beautiful school of pearls back when I first got into the hobby (Back in the 60's to date myself). As you said, mass breeding has not been kind to my old friends and I haven't seen a good group of them in a store in over a decade. Yours are coming along nicely and I'm looking forward to further episodes!
ok this is my dream content
Very intriguing and inspiring! Would love to see updates
Your my favorite when it comes to fish.
Great video
can’t wait to follow this!
This is fascinating ❤
Great voice, subbed
I love the start of this series already.
It seems very hard to scrutinize fish when there are so much in one tank, how did you manage to do this?
Took me about an hour netting them in groups of 3-4 picking out the best 😅
i wonder if you could screen them through stress testing. After all, a fish can look good and seem healthy in ideal conditions but it may otherwise be immunocompromised or have some other internal and systemic problems. This has been an issue with certain cardinal shrimp lines iirc, they are very weak to changes in water parameters and often need almost absurdly doctored water if you dont live in the right places.
Alternatively, though this would require a headache inducing setup, i wonder if you could test physical fitness by keeping them in high flow tanks and seeing which ones tire out the fastest.
I love pearl danios, but never succeeded in breeding them. They're both really tricky to catch to isolate for breeding, and are really prone to eating their eggs. Hopefully I'll have sucsess in thr future, they'regreata wonderful, underrated species
Will zebras and pearls interbreed? That might be a good looking fish.
Curious to see how this goes, I keep Blue, Leopard, Celestial, and Zebra danios, never had the pearl version
Really interested to see how this turns out :)
Love your videos your voice is so beautiful
Good project. But form pairs with non-related fish... bought or borrowed... Otherwise, you do the same: inbreeding. Yes, is the easiest path to get the shape, colour, etc. but also come with a heavy price: hidden defects and unwanted health issues...
Easier said than done.
@@masterpython As I said, is not the easiest path. But contributes to the gene pool. I know pigeon breeders that never inbreed.... they do not create the new strains. If you want fast results, you inbreed, but then we have on the market what we have today. What breeders don't say, is the increased percentage of failures from a batch to another...
@@peasantrobot wouldnt you need to get a few hundred individuals from verifiably separate sources to guarantee no inbreeding though? Could you simply make do with a few tens instead?
@@badabing3391 You need a club and several breeding cores, you need to be able to get quality material from club members. Otherwise, just alone you want to be rich...
But this can be implemented at farms levels... Where the "human material" must be also exceptional.
Fish inbreeding isn't strictly that big of a deal, especially in a tank environment. The problem is doing it too irresponsibly and breeding in negative traits purely to improve something else.
Very interesting n you’re doing a great dispassionate job which is key. Looking forward to more episodes. God bless your endeavours 👍✝️. ✌️🇷🇺☮️🇺🇦✌️. 🙋♀️🤷🏼♀️🇮🇱✌️
Danio females sound like human females 😂
The human males these days dont look to good either 😂