I was a die hard diesel guy but I ended up going to a 7.3 gas F350 with the 4.30 gears. Biggest down side is no exhaust brake. I tow about 16,000 lbs every day during the summer. It gets about 1 mpg less than my diesel. I also shut out gears 9 and 10 which increased my mpgs because the trans was not hunting gears. Also helps keep the trans temps lower because its not shifting as much. Will it out pull a Diesel? Nope. Will it get me from A to B with a cheaper bottom line not only in purchase price, less maintenance expense, and cheaper repair bills? Yep, and thats money that goes back in my pocket. At the end of the day you have to get the truck that works best for your needs, this set up works for me.
Exactly. I traded in a 2020 Ram 2500 diesel for a GMC 6.6L gasser and gained payload. Cost of maintenance and repairs killed me. Fact is anyone can work on a gasser including myself. These new diesels have too much emmissions crap on them.
Apparently I'm not the only one! I can confirm almost these exact words. Pulling 16,500. F350 7.3 4.30. The only thing I wish I had was the exhaust brake but I can still manage.
@@UnravelingMysteriesX Not when the fuel is almost twice the cost. If diesels got twice the mpgs, it’d be true, but they don’t nowadays. The only thing diesels have going for them cost-wise is that they have better resale value, but you pay more up front and in maintenance for em
There is no doubt that’s the agenda but it’s more than just Diesel engines. It’s all internal combustion engines and while they’re at it, all fossil burning fuels everywhere with the last one being natural gas for heating our homes. It’s not a secret, it is however unimaginable so most people won’t believe it until it’s too late. There will be no exceptions, no permitting or grandfathering any of kind and it’s all happening within the next 7yrs.
Agree with that to a point. Gassers can pull a lot of weight now so people are voluntarily choosing them over diesels which has nothing to do with the gov’t. You are correct though this emissions bullshit is killing diesel performance and affordability.
I pulled a toyhauler with a 6.4 Hemi, and it did an admirable job, even handicapped with the 66RFE. Went across the scales at 23,160 lbs. I tow at 65 mph, and it generally hovered in the 7.5-8.5 mpg range, hand calculated. I went back to a Cummins, and it was night and day. Set the cruise and relax. The Aisin seldom dropped a gear, and always stayed cool. Hottest I saw was @180 on a 106' F day on a 6% grade. Down long steep grades absolutely drama free, and almost never touched the pedals. Right around 10 mpg with same setup.
I know from my own experience towing with a diesel or gas that 60 to 65 is probably the sweet spot for fuel economy. I usually run about 70. The difference between 70 and 75 is astounding. It seems like the point where the wind resistance gets a whole new multiplier. Great job with this content. Keep it up. I made the switch to gas a few years ago and I couldn't be happier.
Very well put, same here, it comes to what you tow and where. Here in the Midwest and southern states you can legally tow 75-80 (posted speed for those men wearing skirts). (60 in California) So doing the speed limit here with trailer I had the same experience, my gas truck got 6-7 mpg while my new ram diesel is still getting 12-14mpg. My trailer and tractor are just at 12,000lbs, which really is borderline for most gas trucks anyway. But it does cost way to much to maintenance a diesel to JB reviews point. It shouldn’t. I change my filters on the 15k schedule but I still wonder if it’s needed that much.
New 7.3 sounds promising. I have a 2023 GMC with the 6.6 gas and I’ll be honest it’s gone well above my expectations. I also have a 2015 Duramax but the 6.6 gas is no slouch. I hauled some cattle to the sale barn a few weeks ago and was loaded to 26K GCVW. I live in western Kansas where it’s flat but it pulled the load no issues and the best part is I averaged 10 mpg on that trip. My diesel only gets marginally better. It would hold 6th gear but I kept it in 5th just to keep transmission happy. I never saw the trans temp get above 160. I think the new 10 speed will wake it up even more and compete with the 7.3. What I’ve noticed is the 6 speed is lacking from 30-45 mph under load then picks back up again, whereas the 10 speed should help this. In my opinion unless you are towing all the time or in hilly areas the diesel option makes less sense especially with higher fuel costs. I enjoy you’re videos.
@HalfShell sounds like there may be an issue with yours- if transmission relearn doesnt work (which it actually does for many) then you probably need something repaired
Yep. The six speed is perfectly fine, all except it could reeeeally use a gear between 2nd and 3rd. I use one in Utah, and it would just make everything better, especially towing on a substantial grade.
Not me, im glad we took delivery on our current 2017 ford f.350 diesel brand new back in late 17. We are full time rvr on the road since January 2018(and counting) and we've been pulling our 33 feet 10k trailer rv. The truck now has original 118,000 miles with only basic maintenance i performed myself while camping in the mountains or the desert. We are now moving up to a 20k 3 axles 43 footer 5th wheel toy hauler to keep on our travels as we like to have our toys and some equipments along. We sure glad we bought our diesel truck back then and we'll be keeping our $$$ instead of purchasing a new much higher price tag of diesel truck today.
Still own my 1999 F350 which I bought new. The 7.3 engine is noisy. However, It has handled EVERY LOAD I had to carry when I had my own MASSONRY COMPANY. The truck is still running well. Only had one problem when the "camshaft timing sensor and the control board went south, this repair cost a little over $1.2K. Oh yes, The steering column pin broke. It cost me a little over $1K. My Granddaughter said; I WANT THE TRUCK!
I have a 2015 F350 4 Dr long bed dually 2wd. I ran from East Texas to Portland Oregon got an avg of 17.6 mpg. I hooked up to a 2015 Eclipse Attitude 43 foot toy hauler towed it back to East Texas with an avg 10.1 mpg. Driving habits make all the difference in any vehicle. I'll never buy a gasser for heavy towing. Weight was 24,100 on the trip back.
Good morning JB, I would love to see a MPG run between the GMC and Ford over 100 miles and I would really like to see the MPG hand calculated. I know that this requires time and money but I feel that would be more real world testing. I would also like to see the Ford with the 4.30 gears pulling that 5er instead of the 3.73. There is a place for both trucks in todays market and that’s clear but I would love to see some grade testing up I80 from both the gasser and diesel trucks. That way people can see the mixed driving and you can also show the exhaust brakes for each truck. I definitely could’ve bought a gasser but I drive the mountains empty and pulling a trailer and really like the ease when pulling grades with the Cummins HO. Thanks for another great video.
my 2022 F150 twin turbo 5.3 liter is a boat anchor 33 gallon tank a full tank of gas said i should have got 800 miles to the tank ** HOOK UP THE CAMPER AUTOMATICALLY LOOSE 400 MILES FROM THE TANK*** my POS gets 6mpg "YES 6 MPG PULLING MY 2022 ZINGER TRAILER HITCH TOW BEHIND I HAD TO ADD AIRSHOCKS SO MY TRUCK WAS NOT ICESKATING WHILE DRIVING { if you want to take a long trip you better have really deep pockets and unlimited cash} ** NOTE I stopped at a gas station every 1/2 tank of gas because i was afraid that i would get stuck on the side of the interstate between gas stations] for driving city country highway no trailer or camper i love my truck towing my rv I HATE MY TRUCK !!!!!!!!! ANOTHER NOT FORD IS WAY OVER PRICED I GOT SCREWED MY F150 IS FULLY LOADED I LOOKED AT A DODGE RAM NO FRILLS 250 CUMMINS DEISEL $ 64,000/00 THE PAYOFF ON MY 1 YEAR OLD F150 $68,000.00
Yep. I prefer the gas pickups of today. Diesels have gotten way too much of a pain in the ass to work on and keep running, atleast for the uses I have for a pickup. The manufacturers still keeping with the v8 diesels really need to consider tilt front ends, or just make straight 6s and call it good. Now I have a couple old diesels and love those things, the youngest one is over 30 years old and 300k miles and still runs like a top with very very little work. I got two 8.3l Cummins and a 7.8l Ford L6.
You should do a video on how overloaded some of these real world scenarios I see driving up and down I-75 are. Just last night I saw a Nissan Armada towing a 30’ (+/-) trailer. Their headlights were pointing their way to heaven. Obviously they were WAY over their payload capacity. This is a number that is grossly overlooked but should be the FIRST number we look at when buying a trailer. The common mistake is to look at “what it will tow” (towing capacity) instead of “what it will carry” (load capacity or load rating). This can be a costly or even deadly mistake. Not to mention that if you get into an accident the insurance companies (both yours and whoever you hit) will be running the numbers on your tow vehicle and what you are towing. If you’re outside manufacturers load and tow ratings it will open up a can of worms you don’t want opened.
My former neighbor was a Ford salesman. He said that most people who think they need diesels would be better suited with a gasser. If he knows you he will try to tell you that the diesel would be wasting money but if you’re just a customer he’ll sell you whatever you want. Commission on diesels is a lot better. The Godzilla V8 can 5th wheel tow up to 20,000 lbs. So unless you’re towing more than 15K on a regular basis, not once a month or just a few miles in town, then the gas engine is best. Diesels don’t do well putting around town, that’s when you get emissions problems. TFL Ike Gauntlet test when they’re towing 25K up a mountain foot to the floor just to maintain 60 mph is what a diesel was built for. They live to be pushed hard. No regen needed because you’re doing it with your right foot. What slowly kills them is the run from the house to CVS to pick up a prescription. Engine revs barely getting above idle. Same thing with a 10,000 pound trailer, it’s not enough weight for a modern diesel to even know it’s there.
no doubt the 7.3L is a great option, but with a 3 axle 20k trailer I'd much rather pull into a truck stop to fill up with diesel. That's the biggest downfall of having a gasser on long trips.
That’s why I bought a diesel. The 6.2 gas engine I had was unnerving on a long trip all day listening to it rev. Set the cruise on the diesel and relax.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Average diesel family lmao, daddy just white knuckling it for sixteen hours straight in dead silence while the rest of the fam sits fearfully trying to not make a peep. All you hear is the road, the engine, and pappys heavy breathing.
That droning sound out of the V8 drives me nuts. One of the many reasons I switched over to the Diesel. I can afford the diesel and fix the diesel so the Diesel I will own🤙
Being stuck in limp mode on the side of the road over emissions bullshit drives me nuts. The NA V8 grunt is music to my ears but the diesel is a lot smoother to listen to for sure. I can afford the diesel but I'm not wasting my time and effort with it's maintenance and repairs- I stopped putting up with needy girlfriends when I was in my 20's and early 30's.
I have a 2022 F350 with the 7.3l and 4.30 gears. I average 12-13mpg daily, unless I try to stay under 60mph, then I could sit around 14-17mpg but I really need to try. I towed a 13,000lb 5th wheel and I averaged 9-10mpg and I ran pretty fast half the way that trip. 70mph, sometimes 80mph. At 60mph it stayed the same. I was pretty happy about it. But then I just recently pulled my 11,000lb bumper pull rv and man did it drop. Flat roads I stayed around the 6-7mpg range at 60mph and the real long hills helped me coast a lot and I stuck around 9-13mpg, but it's a ton of coasting. I pull a 5,000lb towable boom lift a lot and it still get around 8mpg. I've pulled a 8,000lb gooseneck dry a couple times and I get about 9-10mpg. I believe bumper pull has always dramatically reduced mileage because of how it pushes a truck around. A 5th wheel or gooseneck doesn't have that leverage with the weight behind the axles, so it's very smooth and easier to pull regardless. My transmission Temps stay around 220-225 degrees if I'm towing or not. Idle I'm around 214 degrees. If I have a heavy load, it doesnt go above 8th gear until Im doing 70mph. Rpm didn't need to go higher than 4k uphill unless I tried to floor it. Flat ground I was around 2300 rpms or so Truck is as smooth as I expect being that it's new, but I hate bumper pull. Truck comes with a 2.5in receiver so you need an adapter to use most hitches and in doing so, you get a lot of play. Towing above 10,000lbs I feel it wanting to wiggle and sway on me a lot with just a little wind outside. I highly recommend ordering a hitch with the right size to avoid that slop. It drives me nuts. I do wish I went with diesel, but I'm not upset with the 7.3l. I tend to get a heavy foot if I'm not towing and the diesel is much more expensive in initial buy and maintenance. I always hear the diesels getting 18-25mpg so their fuel costs are slightly lower even with Def fluid included. But it's one of those things, once they have problems, how much more will it be. As to a simpler engine with less parts needed to replace when things go south. I don't tow over 8,000 lbs often so it's not necessary for me to go diesel, it's simply a want. My truck sounds great at cold start but then is super quiet once it's warmed up and that is perfect to my liking. So far, 55k miles in just over a year and I haven't had any issues, outside of brakes slightly squealing since day one. I don't run aftermarket bumpers or any extra weight on the ends, outside of a 500lb welder in the bed everyday. Hope this helps with more insight.
Oh as for power, it definitely sounds like a gas engine struggling, but it's strong. I've taken an 18,000lb gooseneck with a shipping container through town once and it doesn't notice a difference compared to anything else I tow.
I am always amazed how people complain about modern diesels and there emissions. I have been driving diesel pickups since 2000. I had a 2000 ford 7.3, 2001 dodge 5.9, 2005 dodge 5.9, 2007 ford 6.0 and here is where the power started and so did the emissions 2012 6.7 ford 2016 ram 6.7 and my 22 6.7 h.o ram out pulls them all and it's stock. Every diesel I had before 2012 I had to modify it to pull hills at highway speeds. Preemissions diesels were slow stock. I'm on my third truck with def and filtered exhaust and have not had a single emissions failure. Maybe because they were all bought new and I only run def from a jug I keep my def tank full and I only by diesel where I know it moves in high volume. And I don't mind clean smelling exhaust when we are in a campground. But it was fun rolling coal In my 5.9s with a 6 speed manual.
Couldn’t agree more on how much better modern diesels are. Every vehicle I’ve owned has had a duramax or a cummins in it. I go over Rogers pass on a weekly basis and if I had to leave my ‘22 duramax at home and use my beloved ‘07 duramax instead, I wouldn’t go lol.
The company I work for has multiple large F-650 based 24 ft box vans at my facility. Some have the old 7.3 powerstroke diesel. A few have the Triton V10 and our new ones all have the 7.3 Godzilla. Even having 75 hp nerfed off them vs the ones that come in pickup trucks, the Godzilla is easily keeps up with, if not beating the diesels and are much more refined and nicer to drive. The Zilla and the new transmissions have basically elevated the performance of heavy duty gas engines to that of diesels from 20 years ago. They won't keep up with a modern diesel with a heavy load since they're not forced induction but if you aren't pulling 20k lbs in the mountains on a regular basis, there's really no justification for shelling out the extra coin, not to mention all the government mandated emissions crap for an oil burner anymore.
I was wavering...considering going back to gas considering the advent of the 7.3. This video reminds me why I bought my diesel in the first place. Much appreciated!
I do not regret having my diesel. I have found it to be much quieter when towing versus Gas. When towing long distances over hilly terrain it makes for a nicer experience. I have a RAM H/O AISIN and the thing is a beast. For me even though the Ford 7.3 could have towed my current Trailer it was more important to have a platform that would allow me to upgrade into a larger trailer safely versus buying a truck that was already considered maxed regarding its Capacity. It shame honestly diesel has gotten such a bad rap.
We will be getting a new Super Duty F350 with the H.O Power Stroke in a couple years. We will be on the road the majority of each year towing a Fifth Wheel. I really would prefer the 7.3 Godzilla and didn't want all the extra not fun things with a diesel. However, there is one item that you just can't get around that had me to go the diesel route. It is nearly impossible to find gas pumps with enough room to get a big rig in and not do any damage. With a diesel, you just use the semi lanes, the TSD discount card and then move out of the way and park if going inside. That is the sole reason I am going diesel and it is a huge enough reason all by itself. Towed for many decades with all kinds of rv rigs and getting fuel is the one place you can avoid mistakes by being wise.
Awsome content. Another channel I watch called Ford Funatic has gotten me motivated to get a gas truck. A supercharged 7.3 for me will be an excellent tow rig and probably get 15+ mpg not towing. Thanks for the reviews!!
My 2021 F350 has never down shifted lower than 6th to 7th on an 8% hill will maintaining 55 mph and not even full throttle. That gasser is screaming. I remember those days. Don’t miss them at all
I knew it, JB! At some point you would come to the Zilla side! I'm sure that there are plenty, but I have yet to meet any unhappy Zilla owner. Ford, GM, Ram all do stupid stuff, and practices some stupid stuff, but Ford did hit the ball out of the park with the Zilla package. Zilla w/ 4.30s cannot be beat within the gas realm. The tranny is designed for heat, by the way. Actually, you can do more damage to the tranny when it is below temp. Great videos, as usual Sir!
7.3L will pick up around 2 MPG with a low restriction cat back exhaust. I think MPI Performance exhaust offers the best system. Also makes a V8 sound like a V8 should, but not obnoxious.
Thanks for the review. I have a diesel 3500 and pull a 12k 5er. Although the 7.3 liter Ford is intriguing, there is value in the safety of being able to use truck stop lanes for refueling. Also, with the EFS fuel card the price of diesel versus gasoline is a wash simply due to MPG.
JB, I think you are underestimating the winter capabilities of diesel trucks. My HD Duramax doesn't need to be plugged in until the the outdoor temps reach 0 degrees and even then it will have no issues starting. For model year 2022 and newer GM has redesigned the DEF heater circuit so freezing DEF is no longer an issue. As far as fuel gelling, here in Vermont and in other areas, winter blend diesel fuel will resist gelling. I do give my truck a splash of Howe's anti-gel additive just for peace of mind.
For sure. You need to take JB and many of the commentary here with the relative grain of salt because it's perspective of recreational use. In fact, as much travel as JB has done, it's on a relatively low scale compared to many full-timers and his 5th wheel is comparably light. I don't disagree with the criticism of modern emissions on diesels, but I do criticize those who swear it's going to cost 10s of thousands of dollars in maintenance and repairs as a certainty. It's not. It's just the proliferation of the horror stories that some do experience, and it's not really different for gassers except that you can be in any town, anywhere in the US and find a gasser mechanic and most shadetrees are similarly experienced. Different perspective from when you're from farm country. Like every single machine, a diesel needs maintenance and feeding, and yep, feeding is hefty at the moment because of home heating oil season on top of we don't have inexpensive crude. There are strong-willed fans of gas engines and there are strong-willed fans of diesel. I could care less from this perspective because, as an engineer, I always design by function and I am capable and equipped to work on either myself. This big gasser would not serve my function appropriately, considering what and how I tow. Point being, JB's hard work on this channel is just a data point and not advise that's a one-size fits all, though I believe some Ford fans think the 7.3 can butter their bread too! 😆 However, no doubt it has its place, but that place is not replacing a diesel. It simply extends the overlap of the middle ground where you could conceivably use either effectively.
I tow a 10,000 lb travel trailer with a 17 duramax. The truck has 105, 000 miles on it. It pulls stronger now than new. The fuel economy gets better with miles. I average 15 MPG towing that trailer. I pull 8,000lbs daily and average 16MPG in the mountains. The MPG on the gas truck is going to have to get better before I switch. But I do tow daily. Like you say, if you tow occasionally, it may be ok.
Now if we can just get more Buc-ees or Costco stops so it’s easy to get gas for those who switch over. I think I remember some of the stations out west having RV gas lanes which was nice. Diesel is still high out west! It was 3.70 this morning here. 🇺🇸💪
@@TheRamGuy yes 3.70 sounds good but if you Google one of those historical diesel price trackers, fuel prices were pretty steady for years then around November 2020 prices started climbing rapidly and have not looked back. I know I am lucky to live in a historically lower priced area, northern Ky, Greater Cincinnati.
I owned a f350 CCSB lariat 7.3 for 1 month, towed my 12k 5rh wheel like garbage, I hit a head wind it would lack power and cause the trailer to sway, couldn't ever run cruise, 4 mpg towing meant about every 150 miles I needed to start looking for fuel. Traded it in for a loss of a few grand but worth every penny. With the exact same truck but the 6.7L, I cruise at 70mph, 11-12mpg, no seesaw in the gas pedal on hills, I can drive on 6-8 he trips without fatigue. Never ever a gas truck again. I jumped on the band wagon as it was cheaper, and people said it towed great......WRONG, 6.7 diesel or nothing.
Take the 1000lbs difference from the diesel to gas, and add a good brush guard and winch. Will weight the nose down, but still won’t be as heavy as the diesel. The lighter weight does help when you’re driving through a wet field, doesn’t bury the front end.
I knew that that Godzilla was going to be a beast. For one, Ford went back to a pushrod V8. Plus all the time, money, and testing that Ford did with this engine. Ford wasn't playing around. They wanted a proven engine when they released it for production. And with the EPA's war on diesel engines. I'm sure that Ford wanted a capable gas engine. Sure, it won't be a brute like a diesel engine. But it will get the job done
I live in Utah too and I’ve never had to plug in my truck in the cold or have had the fuel gel up. The thing gas will never catch up on is overall torque. My 6.7 PSD can tow above 70 lol. Would be fun to compare both trucks in person
Like the option of the big block gas engines. I tow between 20-25k on my diesel, at that level diesel is a must in my opinion, the way they can handle that weight is unmatched by any gas engine. But if I towed less weight and less times per year these are an option.
Only issue is the 7.3 godzilla has had quite a few lifter/cam failures by 40,000 miles…hopefully they have rectified this and not ignore the issue for many years like gm.
I wanted to make another comment about something I observed in the video. And also point out this F350 does have a 3.73 rear gear. I’m not sure if JB ever has said that but it does have the 3.73. Anyways when he was trying to accelerate to 70 or 75 mph and then said he couldn’t, the truck was in 4th gear and turning around 4500 rpm. Now this would be the sweet spot for power for this engine because that’s slightly above peak torque (4000 rpm peak) and a little below peak hp (5500 peak). So in other words it’s not going to get much better than that for power. He never said, but I’m assuming JB was WOT because he said he couldn’t accelerate AND the truck wasn’t downshifting even when the speed and rpm started to fall a little. Now I’m sure some would say if he had the 4.30 gear he could have accelerated. I don’t think so. If the 3.73 wouldn’t give a downshift to 3rd in those conditions the 4.30 certainly wouldn’t (it would have been in 5th actually). And considering he was between 4000-4500 rpm and still not accelerating what good would the 4.30 have done? It would have possibly been a slightly lower RPM and speed because it would have been in 5th gear instead of 4th and had a final drive of 6.53:1 (5th gear for the 4.30) compared to the 3.73s final drive of 6.61:1 (4th gear for the 3.73). So in that particular instance the 3.73 is atleast performing as good as the 4.30 would have, arguably better. And that’s towing a pretty heavy trailer.
My 20 year old Chevy 8.1 gasser pulls my 16000 fifth wheel through Montana passes, but you know it's back there. Chevy needs another big block introduced to keep up now
This is my issue . Buddy with a gmt800 8.1 and Allison and another buddy with this 7.3 gasser f250.. both srw... The 7.3 gasser is stock.. the 8.1 has jba headers and pipe kit... With a Jesse bubb tune... The 8.1 out shines except I. The 35-45 mph going uphill... There they are even .. I am seriously thinking about picking up an 8.1 4 door dually....
Thank you for the review, great information. While the Ford gas was impressive on its MPG number, I have historically found that gas engines shift a lot more than diesels and pull much higher RPM’s when pulling grades as they simply cannot produce the torque numbers. You commented on low er RPM numbers on what seemed to be flatter ground. What is your feedback on pulling grades on the gas vs. diesel? If you needed to pass which one would you rather have? Thanks
Thanks for the great video. I have owned diesels in the past and tow campers, and I have 2 complaints against the gas, fuel economy, and the exhaust brake. I tow mainly in hilly county and was wondering about navigate the hilly country with a gas, thoughts?
After having a 21 f250 with the 7.3 I can tell anyone buying one to tow with it to .ale sure you get the 4.30 gears. I towed a 9000lb travel trailer with mine. My brother in law bought the same truck as mine but with the 4.30 gears. His 5th wheel was 12000 lbs. I was getting 7 mpg towing across MD on 68, truck never got above 8th gear unless going down hill. My brother in law's truck was consistently in 9th getting 9.5 to 10 mpg same route. I loved the truck (first new one in a long time) but, I messed up with the gears. If you find one with the 7.3 and 4.30 gears go for it
That’s probably more of a difference in the trailers you were towing plus driving styles than the gearing. I’ve read from multiple places that fifth wheels are slightly more fuel efficient than bumper pull trailers. I don’t have a way of verifying that but it does make sense. Also your 3.73 in 8th gear has 3.17:1 final drive compared to a 2.95:1 for the 4.30 in 9th gear. So shorter but pretty similar.
@@turnercw2 I understand what you are saying brother...I am just relaying my experience literally on the same trip, same roads, at the same time and speed...half the trip he was lead and the other half I was. Didn't make a difference, he consistently got better mpg towing a bigger and heavier trailer. I would also have a hard time reconciling that a 13 foot high 5th wheel is more aerodynamic than an 11 foot tall travel trailer. If. You are not in the Mountains it won't matter what gears you have. 68 through MD is a beast of a stretch to tow on...with the mpg I was getting in the mountains going 60-65 mph I was down to 200miles per tank. The 7.3 is a great motor and I loved it and the 10 speed trans. Just hated the short range and then trying to find stations to pull a 60 foot long set up into. Maybe I just had a dud truck. It did handle the lighter 7k pound tt much better...just trying to give folks a heads up so they don't find themselves in a less than ideal situation with a good truck that could have been a great truck.
It's very rare to see a payload sticker that shows a lower number than the actual weigh scale. The manufacturer's placard does NOT include the weight of passengers. Thus, there must be some other reason, perhaps an error of some kind on one of the weighings or maybe there was extra equipment in the truck that was missing at the time you weighed it (ie spare tire/tools, integrated towing tools etc) - just naming a few possibilities, OR a mis-calibrated scale (which is more likely the case).
Nice video. That seemed pretty hot for the transmission, especially on a cold day. That could be a reason Ford is pushing the 4.30 gear for their max towing numbers. I’m going to be interested to see how hot it will run with a 4.30. The hottest I’ve seen my Chevy with the 6 speed is 209 but that was 99 ambient temperature and pulling a 2 mile long 8% grade. As for fuel mileage, I would say your way of checking it would be the absolute tops to expect with pure highway driving, but that 6.9 number would be more likely for a full tank of towing. Which is not bad. My experience with gas vs diesel is the gas gets 2 mpg worse.
The 10r140 co developed by Ford and GM then adopted by GM owned Allison and made minor changes to fit the application runs hot by design in both applications. I see 220 in full operating temp towing or not
Major upside - You can see the ground when looking into the engine bay. It meas I can work on the 7.3 without having baby hands. My diesel engine compartment was packed so tight I could hardly do any repairs myself. Even with dual batteries, I can reach everything on the 7.3 engine compartment.
Thanks sir for providing us perspective! Appreciate your time! I have a gas truck now. For short trips I think it is great. But I miss a diesel for long trips. Just no comparison on my opinion regarding how well diesels work under load. I want to get a duramax for my next HD rig. But gotta say that my older 5.9 Cummins seemed to love pulling heavy weight more than the Ford. I am curious how the new GM 3.0 with max trailer and 3.73 gears front and rear would be for smaller trailers? I bet it cranks!!
I have a 2023 F250 Crew Cab 10,500 GVW 4x4 that has a 3819 lb. payload capacity. 11.6 Sterling rear end, 7.3 Godzilla motor, 4.30 gears. CGVW is 26,000 lbs. I shouldn't have any troubles towing a 5th wheel up 15,500 lbs. if the max payload is met.
I hope you do as many tests and drives on a gmc with the 10spd when it comes out. I'm considering this ford for a 5th that will weigh close to 10k. It would be a tuff transition but at least I'd be legal with pin weight. I would like to see if an exhaust and a different air box would help at all. That would be a video you would get alot of views on.. good vid
The sound of that engine is intoxicating. Also, Ford transmission like to run hotter than others. The programming for the electronic fan clutch engages it for transmission temperature at 240.
I'll keep my paid off 6.0 Power stroke. I've had the truck for 5 yrs and would only loose a couple of thousand if I sold it (that's including the work I did to fix it right). I also can get 13-14 mpg when towing.. you'll do 7-8 mpg tops on average. Even with higher fuel pricing, the Diesel is still cheaper per mile. I get where you're going and if I didn't travel long distance much, the gasser might work. Our average pull is probably 5+ hours so I'm probably going further than most.
Have you actually done an at the pump calculation for the fuel economy rather than just looking at the computer? I have always seen them be a couple MPG off (in both directions).
The fords computer are actually very accurate and usually at plus or minus 2/10 of a mpg. There was another channel that showed them hand calculating it and they showed the same.
Just my opinion. I order the Diesel F350 HO. My thought is, it will be a relaxing 5th wheel tow and I can safely carry a 58 gallon transfer tank. I wouldn't do this with gas. I will probable tow 10K per year. I need a gas and diesel truck lol
There are pros and cons to both gasser & diesel trucks like the payload Cap. & unlike diesel you only have to worry about gas and not def. but then if your towing a lot I personally like my Diesel better because of the exhaust braking it saves your brakes not only on your truck but on the trailer as well and save on your transmission VS the gasser where you only have the tow haul mode that uses the transmission to help save you from ridding your brakes. Also why would you drive 75 MPH towing your trailer, we keep it at 65 all the time to save on gas and if we have to slam on the brakes then it doesn’t take as long to stop!
I have the 7.3 in my E350 work truck and I get 9.3 Mi to the gallon. I tow a 10000 g v w dump trailer and it really dogs it down. My vw mk4 Jetta TDI pulls my snowmobile up the mountain with way more ease.
The biggest problem with buying the diesel engine is the upfront cost. An F-250 Lariat will already cost me $80k for moderate options and the 7.3L gasser. Add the diesel in and I'm close to $85k - $90k. No way is that ever going to be worth it to the average working stiff.
For the up-charge to a diesel you could add a supercharger to the 7.3l and gain more horsepower than diesel with lower maintenance. Albeit, you can't match the torque and longevity of a diesel.
That 7.3 godzilla is a torque machine. It sounded kinda "Mid" to me at first but knowing it has a 10 speed and for it to tow an impressive amount for a gas engine I kinda like it now cousin of mine has one and here I am debating between the godzilla and the beastly 6.7L HO
I think it's interesting you said 8 would be good in this truck. I pull a 5000 lb travel trailer with my 2013 chevy 1500 with the 4.8L and 4 speed transmission and get 8 mpg the majority of the time. I think you're assuming wrong when you said they think of the people in it when they figure the numbers. I don't think they do.
Dude couldnt agree more, the new HD gas engines are capable, 50% price increase on diesel over gas, DEF...$12k premium on the engines...for 70-80% of the market people could now have a gas engine and be happy. I have 2 2023 F350 Tremor Lariats on order (7.3l and 6.7l HO)...I already got notified my 6.7L HO will be built mid February...no word on the 7.3L. I will end up passing on the 6.7L as I think this 7.3l is a better option for ROI on your money. Here is what I really want to see...how does 7.3l hold RPMS towing a 5er at 65-70mph? I want to see how relaxed it is. Got any videos of that comparing gas vs diesel towing RPMs when steady state roads?
I owned a 22 f350 CCSB lariat 4.30s axles for 1 month. Towed my 12k (loaded), 5th wheel with it. It towed great on flat ground, with no head winds. Coming back from myrtle beach to NC, headwinds were so strong, and slighly up hill leaving the coast, the 7.3 bogged down badly, this created alot of trailer sway, and I couldn't maintain 68-70mph. It was like seasaw in the gas pedal down and up no stop. Cruise control going to the back worked, (I guess cause its more downhill), wouldn't work coming back. The trip back is 5 hrs, but one of the most uncomfortable trips since towing with a half ton. It actually took us 5.5hrs home, and seemed longer. I still gave it the benefit of the doubt, but went ahead and traded it for several grand less, and got the same truck in a 6.7L. I get 11 somtimes 12 mpg, I dont have to look for fuel in 150 miles, I can now get a little over 300 miles out of a fuel tank. (A big plus), drive with two hands on the wheel. I did it for cross country trips, as 5 hrs of gas towing seemed way longer and miserable. I am telling my review becuase I don't understand why people are not giving long drive reviews as you dont realize till your going long distance. Save money take your 6.7L when it arrives.
@@krice24 I can definitely appreciate the range and fuel economy of the 6.7l, but dont understand how a same F350 CCSB diesel would have less sway towing then same truck with a 7.3l. I had a 2020 F350 CCSB 6.7l that I towed about 6k miles with it in 2020 and never got better then 10.5 towing our 13k 5th wheel Toy hauler. Most times it was around 9.5. Truck was great, loved how chill the 6,7l was.
@@barrthom603 it swayed more, when you hit a big head wind, when the wind hit the cap of the 5th wheel it created drag and its like you could feel the truck slow down in the wind, struggle to maintain speed and have to run higher rpms resulting in it blowing around. becuase it didnt have enough power to pull through the wind at current rpms. Whereas, the 6.7L doesnt even nitice the head wind, doesnt loose speed, or downshift, it pulls straight through it resulting in it not swaying. Basically the truck is more powerful then the wind and controls it, whereas with the 7.3 wind controls the truck and it true to adjust. It reminded me of towing with my f150 about 6k lbs. It did it, but it could do it better kinda thing. The 10 spd get better economy, then my 17 6.7 powerstroke did. Especially running 3.31s with a 10 spd. Dont know where you live But in NC and SC this is what I get, even my old 17 6.7l got 10-11 mpg based on how I tow.But hey, you got both coming I'd advise you take the 7.3L tow 5-10 hrs with it then trade back on the 6.7L.
I’m coming from small trailer and now looking at getting a 5th wheel. How big of a deal is it for 5th wheels and needing to find accessible fuel stations? Going from diesel to gas, how big of a loss will it be not being able to utilize truck stop, big rig lanes?
I’m looking at 1 of the big 3 to purchase a bare bones option from. Regular cab dually with a V8 for my new cab over camper.. the price difference is 20 grand from a diesel with a few options. Just not sure which V8 I like most yet, they all have a charm to them.
Straight up. I pull a Reflection 260RD that tops out at 9995lbs GVWR and love pulling it with a GMC 2500 6.6L SLE gasser. Traded in my 2020 Ram 2500 diesel after having suffered way too many emissions related issues with these new setups. 95% of my pulling is in the south around Louisiana with the occasional trip to Tennessee. Thing is for me the repairs are easier and much cheaper than on these new damn diesel trucks to the point even I can do them and parts are 1/4 the price. Don't get me wrong. The Ram was a beast. I just think the emissions on these trucks now days don't justify the cost now. Way too expensive to purchase and way too expensive to repair. Also if I ever have an issue with that L8T on the GMC then my replacement will me a Master Motorsports built L8T for 12k that pushes 600HP and almost 550lb's of torque.
That Master Motorsports L8T is above the torque specs for the 6L90E though, so you’d have to factor in the cost of trans upgrade, and probably would also need an aftermarket computer since the GM is completely locked too.
These are many of the exact same reason for my 7.3l decision. Guys here claiming that fuel price is a wash due to the slightly better fuel economy are full of shit. The diesel costs 11k more just to buy it!! You’ll never make up these costs especially when the diesel starts breaking down and it 100% will. I’ll live with the minor disadvantages of a gasser considering all the things you gain.
I took a 15k 5th wheel for 3000 miles in my 2014 Cummins Ram from Oregon coast to Kalispell MT. To Yellowstone and back to the Oregon coast my mpg's were 12.5 driving 75 where I could and 65 where I had to. Big mountains and Trans temp never went over 200 and it was 110 degrees most of the trip.
It's most young people that don't understand the diesel. Most spend 60 to 100k + on a 250 up to a 450. For the money just get a 650 or 750 hd problem solved. But most go from a Honda to a 350 and can't drive anyway.
I’m not sure that I but that a 20 inch wheel would perform differently than an 18… Regardless of diameter, the tire contact patch is the same. I would argue it’s more aesthetic. But maybe I’m wrong.
GM and Ford use the same size tires for their 18” and 20” options. Both are 275/70/18 (33” tall) and 275/65/20 (34” tall). In both cases the 20” tire if it’s the same brand will have a slightly higher tire capacity than the 18” version will. So yes, the 20” option could have a better capacity and perform better.
FYI I have a 2008 6.4 Diesel any my trip mpg calculator is always about 2.5mpgs off from filling and calculation manually. I have never got the reading that that gauge on the dash says. So unless you feel strongly that the trip mileage is correct I don't and most ppl says the same its always off. BTW I subscribe to you and think you do a great job. So don't take this negatively .
Having towed with a gas 6.4 hemi. The next thing I will look for in my next gas tower is the larger fuel tank. The 48gal that comes in the long bed f350 crew cab is a big benefit. You are limited trying to fill up a gas motor hauling a long travel trailer or 5th wheel.
I was a die hard diesel guy but I ended up going to a 7.3 gas F350 with the 4.30 gears. Biggest down side is no exhaust brake.
I tow about 16,000 lbs every day during the summer. It gets about 1 mpg less than my diesel. I also shut out gears 9 and 10 which increased my mpgs because the trans was not hunting gears. Also helps keep the trans temps lower because its not shifting as much.
Will it out pull a Diesel? Nope. Will it get me from A to B with a cheaper bottom line not only in purchase price, less maintenance expense, and cheaper repair bills? Yep, and thats money that goes back in my pocket.
At the end of the day you have to get the truck that works best for your needs, this set up works for me.
Not to mention, at least where I’m at, diesel is about $2 a gallon more than gas rn
Exactly. I traded in a 2020 Ram 2500 diesel for a GMC 6.6L gasser and gained payload. Cost of maintenance and repairs killed me. Fact is anyone can work on a gasser including myself. These new diesels have too much emmissions crap on them.
@@ridewithme3428 that should be a wash when you calculate the fuel efficiency difference between gas and diesel.
Apparently I'm not the only one! I can confirm almost these exact words. Pulling 16,500. F350 7.3 4.30. The only thing I wish I had was the exhaust brake but I can still manage.
@@UnravelingMysteriesX Not when the fuel is almost twice the cost. If diesels got twice the mpgs, it’d be true, but they don’t nowadays. The only thing diesels have going for them cost-wise is that they have better resale value, but you pay more up front and in maintenance for em
"Diesel's days are numbered" not because the gas engine is a superior platform but because the government is doing all it can to hasten its demise.
There is no doubt that’s the agenda but it’s more than just Diesel engines. It’s all internal combustion engines and while they’re at it, all fossil burning fuels everywhere with the last one being natural gas for heating our homes. It’s not a secret, it is however unimaginable so most people won’t believe it until it’s too late. There will be no exceptions, no permitting or grandfathering any of kind and it’s all happening within the next 7yrs.
Nailed it
Everything will come to a hault if there is no diesel.
Just delete ur diesel
Agree with that to a point. Gassers can pull a lot of weight now so people are voluntarily choosing them over diesels which has nothing to do with the gov’t. You are correct though this emissions bullshit is killing diesel performance and affordability.
I pulled a toyhauler with a 6.4 Hemi, and it did an admirable job, even handicapped with the 66RFE. Went across the scales at 23,160 lbs. I tow at 65 mph, and it generally hovered in the 7.5-8.5 mpg range, hand calculated. I went back to a Cummins, and it was night and day. Set the cruise and relax. The Aisin seldom dropped a gear, and always stayed cool. Hottest I saw was @180 on a 106' F day on a 6% grade. Down long steep grades absolutely drama free, and almost never touched the pedals. Right around 10 mpg with same setup.
I know from my own experience towing with a diesel or gas that 60 to 65 is probably the sweet spot for fuel economy. I usually run about 70. The difference between 70 and 75 is astounding. It seems like the point where the wind resistance gets a whole new multiplier. Great job with this content. Keep it up. I made the switch to gas a few years ago and I couldn't be happier.
Yep. My Cummins gets 8-10 towing my travel trailer running 75 and I can get 12-13 running 65. But mine also has some parts missing
Very well put, same here, it comes to what you tow and where. Here in the Midwest and southern states you can legally tow 75-80 (posted speed for those men wearing skirts). (60 in California) So doing the speed limit here with trailer I had the same experience, my gas truck got 6-7 mpg while my new ram diesel is still getting 12-14mpg. My trailer and tractor are just at 12,000lbs, which really is borderline for most gas trucks anyway. But it does cost way to much to maintenance a diesel to JB reviews point. It shouldn’t. I change my filters on the 15k schedule but I still wonder if it’s needed that much.
@@laneblount9888 "parts missing" LOL
New 7.3 sounds promising. I have a 2023 GMC with the 6.6 gas and I’ll be honest it’s gone well above my expectations. I also have a 2015 Duramax but the 6.6 gas is no slouch. I hauled some cattle to the sale barn a few weeks ago and was loaded to 26K GCVW. I live in western Kansas where it’s flat but it pulled the load no issues and the best part is I averaged 10 mpg on that trip. My diesel only gets marginally better. It would hold 6th gear but I kept it in 5th just to keep transmission happy. I never saw the trans temp get above 160. I think the new 10 speed will wake it up even more and compete with the 7.3. What I’ve noticed is the 6 speed is lacking from 30-45 mph under load then picks back up again, whereas the 10 speed should help this. In my opinion unless you are towing all the time or in hilly areas the diesel option makes less sense especially with higher fuel costs. I enjoy you’re videos.
the 10 speed will keep your shifts at 500 rpm increments and you'll stay in a much better place on that power band
@HalfShell sounds like there may be an issue with yours- if transmission relearn doesnt work (which it actually does for many) then you probably need something repaired
@HalfShell
I run my 450 in tow haul even when empty.....no such problems here.
Yep. The six speed is perfectly fine, all except it could reeeeally use a gear between 2nd and 3rd. I use one in Utah, and it would just make everything better, especially towing on a substantial grade.
My gas Godzilla 10 speed has never skipped shifted
Not me, im glad we took delivery on our current 2017 ford f.350 diesel brand new back in late 17. We are full time rvr on the road since January 2018(and counting) and we've been pulling our 33 feet 10k trailer rv. The truck now has original 118,000 miles with only basic maintenance i performed myself while camping in the mountains or the desert. We are now moving up to a 20k 3 axles 43 footer 5th wheel toy hauler to keep on our travels as we like to have our toys and some equipments along. We sure glad we bought our diesel truck back then and we'll be keeping our $$$ instead of purchasing a new much higher price tag of diesel truck today.
7.3 is a beast!
Still own my 1999 F350 which I bought new. The 7.3 engine is noisy. However, It has handled EVERY LOAD I had to carry when I had my own MASSONRY COMPANY. The truck is still running well. Only had one problem when the "camshaft timing sensor and the control board went south, this repair cost a little over $1.2K. Oh yes, The steering column pin broke. It cost me a little over $1K. My Granddaughter said; I WANT THE TRUCK!
I have a 2015 F350 4 Dr long bed dually 2wd. I ran from East Texas to Portland Oregon got an avg of 17.6 mpg. I hooked up to a 2015 Eclipse Attitude 43 foot toy hauler towed it back to East Texas with an avg 10.1 mpg. Driving habits make all the difference in any vehicle. I'll never buy a gasser for heavy towing. Weight was 24,100 on the trip back.
I am waiting delivery of a f250 Lariat after watching your videos. Great job!
Good morning JB, I would love to see a MPG run between the GMC and Ford over 100 miles and I would really like to see the MPG hand calculated. I know that this requires time and money but I feel that would be more real world testing. I would also like to see the Ford with the 4.30 gears pulling that 5er instead of the 3.73. There is a place for both trucks in todays market and that’s clear but I would love to see some grade testing up I80 from both the gasser and diesel trucks. That way people can see the mixed driving and you can also show the exhaust brakes for each truck. I definitely could’ve bought a gasser but I drive the mountains empty and pulling a trailer and really like the ease when pulling grades with the Cummins HO.
Thanks for another great video.
You’ll find that with the new 10 speed transmissions you don’t need anything other than the 3.73 gearing.
my 2022 F150 twin turbo 5.3 liter is a boat anchor 33 gallon tank a full tank of gas said i should have got 800 miles to the tank ** HOOK UP THE CAMPER AUTOMATICALLY LOOSE 400 MILES FROM THE TANK*** my POS gets 6mpg "YES 6 MPG PULLING MY 2022 ZINGER TRAILER HITCH TOW BEHIND
I HAD TO ADD AIRSHOCKS SO MY TRUCK WAS NOT ICESKATING WHILE DRIVING
{ if you want to take a long trip you better have really deep pockets and unlimited cash}
** NOTE I stopped at a gas station every 1/2 tank of gas because i was afraid that i would get stuck on the side of the interstate between gas stations]
for driving city country highway no trailer or camper i love my truck
towing my rv I HATE MY TRUCK !!!!!!!!!
ANOTHER NOT FORD IS WAY OVER PRICED I GOT SCREWED MY F150 IS FULLY LOADED I LOOKED AT A DODGE RAM NO FRILLS 250 CUMMINS DEISEL $ 64,000/00 THE PAYOFF ON MY 1 YEAR OLD F150 $68,000.00
For weekend towing a couple hundred miles the gas would be a great choice .
Yep. I prefer the gas pickups of today. Diesels have gotten way too much of a pain in the ass to work on and keep running, atleast for the uses I have for a pickup. The manufacturers still keeping with the v8 diesels really need to consider tilt front ends, or just make straight 6s and call it good. Now I have a couple old diesels and love those things, the youngest one is over 30 years old and 300k miles and still runs like a top with very very little work. I got two 8.3l Cummins and a 7.8l Ford L6.
My F-350 7.3 truck has the 4.30 gears . It tows even better than that truck .😊
You should do a video on how overloaded some of these real world scenarios I see driving up and down I-75 are. Just last night I saw a Nissan Armada towing a 30’ (+/-) trailer. Their headlights were pointing their way to heaven. Obviously they were WAY over their payload capacity. This is a number that is grossly overlooked but should be the FIRST number we look at when buying a trailer. The common mistake is to look at “what it will tow” (towing capacity) instead of “what it will carry” (load capacity or load rating). This can be a costly or even deadly mistake. Not to mention that if you get into an accident the insurance companies (both yours and whoever you hit) will be running the numbers on your tow vehicle and what you are towing. If you’re outside manufacturers load and tow ratings it will open up a can of worms you don’t want opened.
Great point
My former neighbor was a Ford salesman. He said that most people who think they need diesels would be better suited with a gasser. If he knows you he will try to tell you that the diesel would be wasting money but if you’re just a customer he’ll sell you whatever you want. Commission on diesels is a lot better.
The Godzilla V8 can 5th wheel tow up to 20,000 lbs. So unless you’re towing more than 15K on a regular basis, not once a month or just a few miles in town, then the gas engine is best. Diesels don’t do well putting around town, that’s when you get emissions problems. TFL Ike Gauntlet test when they’re towing 25K up a mountain foot to the floor just to maintain 60 mph is what a diesel was built for. They live to be pushed hard. No regen needed because you’re doing it with your right foot. What slowly kills them is the run from the house to CVS to pick up a prescription. Engine revs barely getting above idle. Same thing with a 10,000 pound trailer, it’s not enough weight for a modern diesel to even know it’s there.
Bingo. Great comment.
no doubt the 7.3L is a great option, but with a 3 axle 20k trailer I'd much rather pull into a truck stop to fill up with diesel. That's the biggest downfall of having a gasser on long trips.
Diesel seems alot quieter in the cabin. For long distances with a family keeping engine noise down helps.
So you and the family don’t listen to music on road trips just sit in silence? Sound like a fun bunch of people.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Why you gotta be such a bootyhole.
That’s why I bought a diesel. The 6.2 gas engine I had was unnerving on a long trip all day listening to it rev. Set the cruise on the diesel and relax.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 Average diesel family lmao, daddy just white knuckling it for sixteen hours straight in dead silence while the rest of the fam sits fearfully trying to not make a peep. All you hear is the road, the engine, and pappys heavy breathing.
That droning sound out of the V8 drives me nuts. One of the many reasons I switched over to the Diesel. I can afford the diesel and fix the diesel so the Diesel I will own🤙
Being stuck in limp mode on the side of the road over emissions bullshit drives me nuts. The NA V8 grunt is music to my ears but the diesel is a lot smoother to listen to for sure. I can afford the diesel but I'm not wasting my time and effort with it's maintenance and repairs- I stopped putting up with needy girlfriends when I was in my 20's and early 30's.
Definitely personal preference. I love the sound of a v8.
Will be interesting to see what happens at 100 degrees with ac on and fan clutch locked on good grade.
I have a 2022 F350 with the 7.3l and 4.30 gears.
I average 12-13mpg daily, unless I try to stay under 60mph, then I could sit around 14-17mpg but I really need to try.
I towed a 13,000lb 5th wheel and I averaged 9-10mpg and I ran pretty fast half the way that trip. 70mph, sometimes 80mph. At 60mph it stayed the same. I was pretty happy about it.
But then I just recently pulled my 11,000lb bumper pull rv and man did it drop. Flat roads I stayed around the 6-7mpg range at 60mph and the real long hills helped me coast a lot and I stuck around 9-13mpg, but it's a ton of coasting.
I pull a 5,000lb towable boom lift a lot and it still get around 8mpg.
I've pulled a 8,000lb gooseneck dry a couple times and I get about 9-10mpg.
I believe bumper pull has always dramatically reduced mileage because of how it pushes a truck around. A 5th wheel or gooseneck doesn't have that leverage with the weight behind the axles, so it's very smooth and easier to pull regardless.
My transmission Temps stay around 220-225 degrees if I'm towing or not. Idle I'm around 214 degrees. If I have a heavy load, it doesnt go above 8th gear until Im doing 70mph. Rpm didn't need to go higher than 4k uphill unless I tried to floor it. Flat ground I was around 2300 rpms or so
Truck is as smooth as I expect being that it's new, but I hate bumper pull. Truck comes with a 2.5in receiver so you need an adapter to use most hitches and in doing so, you get a lot of play. Towing above 10,000lbs I feel it wanting to wiggle and sway on me a lot with just a little wind outside. I highly recommend ordering a hitch with the right size to avoid that slop. It drives me nuts.
I do wish I went with diesel, but I'm not upset with the 7.3l. I tend to get a heavy foot if I'm not towing and the diesel is much more expensive in initial buy and maintenance. I always hear the diesels getting 18-25mpg so their fuel costs are slightly lower even with Def fluid included. But it's one of those things, once they have problems, how much more will it be. As to a simpler engine with less parts needed to replace when things go south.
I don't tow over 8,000 lbs often so it's not necessary for me to go diesel, it's simply a want.
My truck sounds great at cold start but then is super quiet once it's warmed up and that is perfect to my liking.
So far, 55k miles in just over a year and I haven't had any issues, outside of brakes slightly squealing since day one. I don't run aftermarket bumpers or any extra weight on the ends, outside of a 500lb welder in the bed everyday.
Hope this helps with more insight.
Oh as for power, it definitely sounds like a gas engine struggling, but it's strong. I've taken an 18,000lb gooseneck with a shipping container through town once and it doesn't notice a difference compared to anything else I tow.
I am always amazed how people complain about modern diesels and there emissions. I have been driving diesel pickups since 2000.
I had a 2000 ford 7.3, 2001 dodge 5.9, 2005 dodge 5.9, 2007 ford 6.0 and here is where the power started and so did the emissions 2012 6.7 ford 2016 ram 6.7 and my 22 6.7 h.o ram out pulls them all and it's stock. Every diesel I had before 2012 I had to modify it to pull hills at highway speeds.
Preemissions diesels were slow stock. I'm on my third truck with def and filtered exhaust and have not had a single emissions failure. Maybe because they were all bought new and I only run def from a jug I keep my def tank full and I only by diesel where I know it moves in high volume. And I don't mind clean smelling exhaust when we are in a campground. But it was fun rolling coal In my 5.9s with a 6 speed manual.
Couldn’t agree more on how much better modern diesels are. Every vehicle I’ve owned has had a duramax or a cummins in it. I go over Rogers pass on a weekly basis and if I had to leave my ‘22 duramax at home and use my beloved ‘07 duramax instead, I wouldn’t go lol.
The company I work for has multiple large F-650 based 24 ft box vans at my facility. Some have the old 7.3 powerstroke diesel. A few have the Triton V10 and our new ones all have the 7.3 Godzilla. Even having 75 hp nerfed off them vs the ones that come in pickup trucks, the Godzilla is easily keeps up with, if not beating the diesels and are much more refined and nicer to drive. The Zilla and the new transmissions have basically elevated the performance of heavy duty gas engines to that of diesels from 20 years ago. They won't keep up with a modern diesel with a heavy load since they're not forced induction but if you aren't pulling 20k lbs in the mountains on a regular basis, there's really no justification for shelling out the extra coin, not to mention all the government mandated emissions crap for an oil burner anymore.
I was wavering...considering going back to gas considering the advent of the 7.3. This video reminds me why I bought my diesel in the first place. Much appreciated!
I have a 3.0 diesel 21 Sierra and I cannot wait until the lease is up to get in a new 23/24 super duty with a 7.3! Love your videos, keep them coming!
Love seeing you drive across Pioneer Crossing... 18 year SS resident. I'm in a 21 Powerboost and looking at a 7.3 F350.
I do not regret having my diesel. I have found it to be much quieter when towing versus Gas. When towing long distances over hilly terrain it makes for a nicer experience. I have a RAM H/O AISIN and the thing is a beast. For me even though the Ford 7.3 could have towed my current Trailer it was more important to have a platform that would allow me to upgrade into a larger trailer safely versus buying a truck that was already considered maxed regarding its Capacity. It shame honestly diesel has gotten such a bad rap.
We will be getting a new Super Duty F350 with the H.O Power Stroke in a couple years. We will be on the road the majority of each year towing a Fifth Wheel. I really would prefer the 7.3 Godzilla and didn't want all the extra not fun things with a diesel. However, there is one item that you just can't get around that had me to go the diesel route. It is nearly impossible to find gas pumps with enough room to get a big rig in and not do any damage. With a diesel, you just use the semi lanes, the TSD discount card and then move out of the way and park if going inside. That is the sole reason I am going diesel and it is a huge enough reason all by itself. Towed for many decades with all kinds of rv rigs and getting fuel is the one place you can avoid mistakes by being wise.
Awsome content. Another channel I watch called Ford Funatic has gotten me motivated to get a gas truck. A supercharged 7.3 for me will be an excellent tow rig and probably get 15+ mpg not towing. Thanks for the reviews!!
My 2021 F350 has never down shifted lower than 6th to 7th on an 8% hill will maintaining 55 mph and not even full throttle. That gasser is screaming. I remember those days. Don’t miss them at all
I knew it, JB! At some point you would come to the Zilla side! I'm sure that there are plenty, but I have yet to meet any unhappy Zilla owner. Ford, GM, Ram all do stupid stuff, and practices some stupid stuff, but Ford did hit the ball out of the park with the Zilla package. Zilla w/ 4.30s cannot be beat within the gas realm. The tranny is designed for heat, by the way. Actually, you can do more damage to the tranny when it is below temp. Great videos, as usual Sir!
Love those views of the mountains!
7.3L will pick up around 2 MPG with a low restriction cat back exhaust. I think MPI Performance exhaust offers the best system. Also makes a V8 sound like a V8 should, but not obnoxious.
Thanks for the review. I have a diesel 3500 and pull a 12k 5er. Although the 7.3 liter Ford is intriguing, there is value in the safety of being able to use truck stop lanes for refueling. Also, with the EFS fuel card the price of diesel versus gasoline is a wash simply due to MPG.
Love your videos, very well documented and articulated.👍👍👍 You are doing all the homework for us, thank you!
JB, I think you are underestimating the winter capabilities of diesel trucks. My HD Duramax doesn't need to be plugged in until the the outdoor temps reach 0 degrees and even then it will have no issues starting. For model year 2022 and newer GM has redesigned the DEF heater circuit so freezing DEF is no longer an issue. As far as fuel gelling, here in Vermont and in other areas, winter blend diesel fuel will resist gelling. I do give my truck a splash of Howe's anti-gel additive just for peace of mind.
For sure. You need to take JB and many of the commentary here with the relative grain of salt because it's perspective of recreational use. In fact, as much travel as JB has done, it's on a relatively low scale compared to many full-timers and his 5th wheel is comparably light. I don't disagree with the criticism of modern emissions on diesels, but I do criticize those who swear it's going to cost 10s of thousands of dollars in maintenance and repairs as a certainty. It's not. It's just the proliferation of the horror stories that some do experience, and it's not really different for gassers except that you can be in any town, anywhere in the US and find a gasser mechanic and most shadetrees are similarly experienced. Different perspective from when you're from farm country. Like every single machine, a diesel needs maintenance and feeding, and yep, feeding is hefty at the moment because of home heating oil season on top of we don't have inexpensive crude. There are strong-willed fans of gas engines and there are strong-willed fans of diesel. I could care less from this perspective because, as an engineer, I always design by function and I am capable and equipped to work on either myself. This big gasser would not serve my function appropriately, considering what and how I tow. Point being, JB's hard work on this channel is just a data point and not advise that's a one-size fits all, though I believe some Ford fans think the 7.3 can butter their bread too! 😆 However, no doubt it has its place, but that place is not replacing a diesel. It simply extends the overlap of the middle ground where you could conceivably use either effectively.
@@robv4053 Well said sir.
I tow a 10,000 lb travel trailer with a 17 duramax. The truck has 105, 000 miles on it. It pulls stronger now than new. The fuel economy gets better with miles. I average 15 MPG towing that trailer. I pull 8,000lbs daily and average 16MPG in the mountains. The MPG on the gas truck is going to have to get better before I switch. But I do tow daily. Like you say, if you tow occasionally, it may be ok.
Now if we can just get more Buc-ees or Costco stops so it’s easy to get gas for those who switch over. I think I remember some of the stations out west having RV gas lanes which was nice. Diesel is still high out west! It was 3.70 this morning here. 🇺🇸💪
$3.70 for diesel would be a dream. Still $4.50+ in the Great Lakes region
@@TheRamGuy yes 3.70 sounds good but if you Google one of those historical diesel price trackers, fuel prices were pretty steady for years then around November 2020 prices started climbing rapidly and have not looked back. I know I am lucky to live in a historically lower priced area, northern Ky, Greater Cincinnati.
@@supporterofsanity it’s like something happened in November 2020 🤷♂️
Between $4.99 and $5.75 in PA
@@one24mikeI’ll second that
I owned a f350 CCSB lariat 7.3 for 1 month, towed my 12k 5rh wheel like garbage, I hit a head wind it would lack power and cause the trailer to sway, couldn't ever run cruise, 4 mpg towing meant about every 150 miles I needed to start looking for fuel. Traded it in for a loss of a few grand but worth every penny. With the exact same truck but the 6.7L, I cruise at 70mph, 11-12mpg, no seesaw in the gas pedal on hills, I can drive on 6-8 he trips without fatigue.
Never ever a gas truck again. I jumped on the band wagon as it was cheaper, and people said it towed great......WRONG, 6.7 diesel or nothing.
Need to step up the MPG game, TFL does a good job. My DIC is anywhere from spot on to 2mpg off.
Very much agree on the Tire statements. Conti needs to pickup their game.
Take the 1000lbs difference from the diesel to gas, and add a good brush guard and winch. Will weight the nose down, but still won’t be as heavy as the diesel. The lighter weight does help when you’re driving through a wet field, doesn’t bury the front end.
I knew that that Godzilla was going to be a beast. For one, Ford went back to a pushrod V8. Plus all the time, money, and testing that Ford did with this engine. Ford wasn't playing around. They wanted a proven engine when they released it for production. And with the EPA's war on diesel engines. I'm sure that Ford wanted a capable gas engine. Sure, it won't be a brute like a diesel engine. But it will get the job done
I live in Utah too and I’ve never had to plug in my truck in the cold or have had the fuel gel up. The thing gas will never catch up on is overall torque. My 6.7 PSD can tow above 70 lol. Would be fun to compare both trucks in person
Like the option of the big block gas engines. I tow between 20-25k on my diesel, at that level diesel is a must in my opinion, the way they can handle that weight is unmatched by any gas engine.
But if I towed less weight and less times per year these are an option.
Great job J. B.!!
Good video as always!!
Only issue is the 7.3 godzilla has had quite a few lifter/cam failures by 40,000 miles…hopefully they have rectified this and not ignore the issue for many years like gm.
I wanted to make another comment about something I observed in the video. And also point out this F350 does have a 3.73 rear gear. I’m not sure if JB ever has said that but it does have the 3.73.
Anyways when he was trying to accelerate to 70 or 75 mph and then said he couldn’t, the truck was in 4th gear and turning around 4500 rpm. Now this would be the sweet spot for power for this engine because that’s slightly above peak torque (4000 rpm peak) and a little below peak hp (5500 peak). So in other words it’s not going to get much better than that for power. He never said, but I’m assuming JB was WOT because he said he couldn’t accelerate AND the truck wasn’t downshifting even when the speed and rpm started to fall a little. Now I’m sure some would say if he had the 4.30 gear he could have accelerated. I don’t think so. If the 3.73 wouldn’t give a downshift to 3rd in those conditions the 4.30 certainly wouldn’t (it would have been in 5th actually). And considering he was between 4000-4500 rpm and still not accelerating what good would the 4.30 have done? It would have possibly been a slightly lower RPM and speed because it would have been in 5th gear instead of 4th and had a final drive of 6.53:1 (5th gear for the 4.30) compared to the 3.73s final drive of 6.61:1 (4th gear for the 3.73).
So in that particular instance the 3.73 is atleast performing as good as the 4.30 would have, arguably better. And that’s towing a pretty heavy trailer.
The 7.3 really should be paired with the 4:30 rear but the 3:73 is a little better on fuel unloaded the 4:30 is better loaded.
Hey I’m wandering why they dropped 410 s
I have a 2021 f250 tremor 7.3 with 430's I pull a 41 foot 5th wheel that weighs 15,000 it pulls GREAT
My 20 year old Chevy 8.1 gasser pulls my 16000 fifth wheel through Montana passes, but you know it's back there. Chevy needs another big block introduced to keep up now
This is my issue . Buddy with a gmt800 8.1 and Allison and another buddy with this 7.3 gasser f250.. both srw...
The 7.3 gasser is stock.. the 8.1 has jba headers and pipe kit... With a Jesse bubb tune...
The 8.1 out shines except I. The 35-45 mph going uphill... There they are even ..
I am seriously thinking about picking up an 8.1 4 door dually....
Thank you for the review, great information. While the Ford gas was impressive on its MPG number, I have historically found that gas engines shift a lot more than diesels and pull much higher RPM’s when pulling grades as they simply cannot produce the torque numbers. You commented on low er RPM numbers on what seemed to be flatter ground. What is your feedback on pulling grades on the gas vs. diesel? If you needed to pass which one would you rather have? Thanks
Thanks for the great video. I have owned diesels in the past and tow campers, and I have 2 complaints against the gas, fuel economy, and the exhaust brake. I tow mainly in hilly county and was wondering about navigate the hilly country with a gas, thoughts?
You can’t use the computer for MGP while towing it’s usually way off. My 06 Cummins shows 17mpg towing but actually get around 11-12.
After having a 21 f250 with the 7.3 I can tell anyone buying one to tow with it to .ale sure you get the 4.30 gears. I towed a 9000lb travel trailer with mine. My brother in law bought the same truck as mine but with the 4.30 gears. His 5th wheel was 12000 lbs. I was getting 7 mpg towing across MD on 68, truck never got above 8th gear unless going down hill. My brother in law's truck was consistently in 9th getting 9.5 to 10 mpg same route. I loved the truck (first new one in a long time) but, I messed up with the gears. If you find one with the 7.3 and 4.30 gears go for it
My 19 6.7 ps with the 6 speed gets 12 mpg towing the same trailer.
That’s probably more of a difference in the trailers you were towing plus driving styles than the gearing. I’ve read from multiple places that fifth wheels are slightly more fuel efficient than bumper pull trailers. I don’t have a way of verifying that but it does make sense.
Also your 3.73 in 8th gear has 3.17:1 final drive compared to a 2.95:1 for the 4.30 in 9th gear. So shorter but pretty similar.
Even empty he got better moleage
@@turnercw2 I understand what you are saying brother...I am just relaying my experience literally on the same trip, same roads, at the same time and speed...half the trip he was lead and the other half I was. Didn't make a difference, he consistently got better mpg towing a bigger and heavier trailer. I would also have a hard time reconciling that a 13 foot high 5th wheel is more aerodynamic than an 11 foot tall travel trailer. If. You are not in the Mountains it won't matter what gears you have. 68 through MD is a beast of a stretch to tow on...with the mpg I was getting in the mountains going 60-65 mph I was down to 200miles per tank. The 7.3 is a great motor and I loved it and the 10 speed trans. Just hated the short range and then trying to find stations to pull a 60 foot long set up into. Maybe I just had a dud truck. It did handle the lighter 7k pound tt much better...just trying to give folks a heads up so they don't find themselves in a less than ideal situation with a good truck that could have been a great truck.
It's very rare to see a payload sticker that shows a lower number than the actual weigh scale. The manufacturer's placard does NOT include the weight of passengers. Thus, there must be some other reason, perhaps an error of some kind on one of the weighings or maybe there was extra equipment in the truck that was missing at the time you weighed it (ie spare tire/tools, integrated towing tools etc) - just naming a few possibilities, OR a mis-calibrated scale (which is more likely the case).
Nice video. That seemed pretty hot for the transmission, especially on a cold day. That could be a reason Ford is pushing the 4.30 gear for their max towing numbers. I’m going to be interested to see how hot it will run with a 4.30. The hottest I’ve seen my Chevy with the 6 speed is 209 but that was 99 ambient temperature and pulling a 2 mile long 8% grade.
As for fuel mileage, I would say your way of checking it would be the absolute tops to expect with pure highway driving, but that 6.9 number would be more likely for a full tank of towing. Which is not bad. My experience with gas vs diesel is the gas gets 2 mpg worse.
You mean 8 degree slope?
@@garysarratt1 no. 8% grade.
The 10r140 co developed by Ford and GM then adopted by GM owned Allison and made minor changes to fit the application runs hot by design in both applications. I see 220 in full operating temp towing or not
@@richvangorder3900 the 10L1000 Allison absolutely does not run on 220. I had one for about 14,000 miles and it never got above 180 towing.
@@matthewanderson9912 what year?
Major upside - You can see the ground when looking into the engine bay. It meas I can work on the 7.3 without having baby hands. My diesel engine compartment was packed so tight I could hardly do any repairs myself. Even with dual batteries, I can reach everything on the 7.3 engine compartment.
Thanks sir for providing us perspective! Appreciate your time! I have a gas truck now. For short trips I think it is great. But I miss a diesel for long trips. Just no comparison on my opinion regarding how well diesels work under load. I want to get a duramax for my next HD rig. But gotta say that my older 5.9 Cummins seemed to love pulling heavy weight more than the Ford. I am curious how the new GM 3.0 with max trailer and 3.73 gears front and rear would be for smaller trailers? I bet it cranks!!
I get about 14mpg towing my 9,000 lb trailer in my 2019 F250 Diesel. Around 18 when not towing. YMMV.
I have a 2023 F250 Crew Cab 10,500 GVW 4x4 that has a 3819 lb. payload capacity. 11.6 Sterling rear end, 7.3 Godzilla motor, 4.30 gears. CGVW is 26,000 lbs. I shouldn't have any troubles towing a 5th wheel up 15,500 lbs. if the max payload is met.
Great video. What is the axle ratio on your gas 7.3
I hope you do as many tests and drives on a gmc with the 10spd when it comes out. I'm considering this ford for a 5th that will weigh close to 10k. It would be a tuff transition but at least I'd be legal with pin weight. I would like to see if an exhaust and a different air box would help at all. That would be a video you would get alot of views on.. good vid
I got 10-11 mpg with my 22 Duramax, towing a Heartland 38’ 13k dry, from New Hampshire to Alabama.
The sound of that engine is intoxicating. Also, Ford transmission like to run hotter than others. The programming for the electronic fan clutch engages it for transmission temperature at 240.
Can the fan clutch be replaced with electric fans?
I'd say with this scenario towing that weight with that truck running 60ish is more than enough. Better to be safe than be fast.
I'll keep my paid off 6.0 Power stroke. I've had the truck for 5 yrs and would only loose a couple of thousand if I sold it (that's including the work I did to fix it right). I also can get 13-14 mpg when towing.. you'll do 7-8 mpg tops on average. Even with higher fuel pricing, the Diesel is still cheaper per mile.
I get where you're going and if I didn't travel long distance much, the gasser might work. Our average pull is probably 5+ hours so I'm probably going further than most.
Have you actually done an at the pump calculation for the fuel economy rather than just looking at the computer? I have always seen them be a couple MPG off (in both directions).
Exactly! Can't rely on the lie-o-meter for accuracy on the fuel economy.
The fords computer are actually very accurate and usually at plus or minus 2/10 of a mpg. There was another channel that showed them hand calculating it and they showed the same.
@@db2474 Maybe I got a bad unit in mine, my 2022 F350 shows 2MPG better on the computer than what I get at them pump.
Just my opinion. I order the Diesel F350 HO. My thought is, it will be a relaxing 5th wheel tow and I can safely carry a 58 gallon transfer tank. I wouldn't do this with gas. I will probable tow 10K per year. I need a gas and diesel truck lol
Thanks for the GREAT REVIEW 🍻
There are pros and cons to both gasser & diesel trucks like the payload Cap. & unlike diesel you only have to worry about gas and not def. but then if your towing a lot I personally like my Diesel better because of the exhaust braking it saves your brakes not only on your truck but on the trailer as well and save on your transmission VS the gasser where you only have the tow haul mode that uses the transmission to help save you from ridding your brakes.
Also why would you drive 75 MPH towing your trailer, we keep it at 65 all the time to save on gas and if we have to slam on the brakes then it doesn’t take as long to stop!
I have the 7.3 in my E350 work truck and I get 9.3 Mi to the gallon. I tow a 10000 g v w dump trailer and it really dogs it down. My vw mk4 Jetta TDI pulls my snowmobile up the mountain with way more ease.
The biggest problem with buying the diesel engine is the upfront cost. An F-250 Lariat will already cost me $80k for moderate options and the 7.3L gasser. Add the diesel in and I'm close to $85k - $90k. No way is that ever going to be worth it to the average working stiff.
Love the video's, but you need to go on longer runs for a more accurate snapshot of MPG, plus hand calculate and not rely on the computer.
For the up-charge to a diesel you could add a supercharger to the 7.3l and gain more horsepower than diesel with lower maintenance. Albeit, you can't match the torque and longevity of a diesel.
That 7.3 godzilla is a torque machine. It sounded kinda "Mid" to me at first but knowing it has a 10 speed and for it to tow an impressive amount for a gas engine I kinda like it now cousin of mine has one and here I am debating between the godzilla and the beastly 6.7L HO
I think it's interesting you said 8 would be good in this truck. I pull a 5000 lb travel trailer with my 2013 chevy 1500 with the 4.8L and 4 speed transmission and get 8 mpg the majority of the time. I think you're assuming wrong when you said they think of the people in it when they figure the numbers. I don't think they do.
Dude couldnt agree more, the new HD gas engines are capable, 50% price increase on diesel over gas, DEF...$12k premium on the engines...for 70-80% of the market people could now have a gas engine and be happy. I have 2 2023 F350 Tremor Lariats on order (7.3l and 6.7l HO)...I already got notified my 6.7L HO will be built mid February...no word on the 7.3L. I will end up passing on the 6.7L as I think this 7.3l is a better option for ROI on your money. Here is what I really want to see...how does 7.3l hold RPMS towing a 5er at 65-70mph? I want to see how relaxed it is. Got any videos of that comparing gas vs diesel towing RPMs when steady state roads?
I owned a 22 f350 CCSB lariat 4.30s axles for 1 month. Towed my 12k (loaded), 5th wheel with it. It towed great on flat ground, with no head winds. Coming back from myrtle beach to NC, headwinds were so strong, and slighly up hill leaving the coast, the 7.3 bogged down badly, this created alot of trailer sway, and I couldn't maintain 68-70mph. It was like seasaw in the gas pedal down and up no stop. Cruise control going to the back worked, (I guess cause its more downhill), wouldn't work coming back. The trip back is 5 hrs, but one of the most uncomfortable trips since towing with a half ton. It actually took us 5.5hrs home, and seemed longer. I still gave it the benefit of the doubt, but went ahead and traded it for several grand less, and got the same truck in a 6.7L. I get 11 somtimes 12 mpg, I dont have to look for fuel in 150 miles, I can now get a little over 300 miles out of a fuel tank. (A big plus), drive with two hands on the wheel. I did it for cross country trips, as 5 hrs of gas towing seemed way longer and miserable. I am telling my review becuase I don't understand why people are not giving long drive reviews as you dont realize till your going long distance. Save money take your 6.7L when it arrives.
@@krice24 I can definitely appreciate the range and fuel economy of the 6.7l, but dont understand how a same F350 CCSB diesel would have less sway towing then same truck with a 7.3l. I had a 2020 F350 CCSB 6.7l that I towed about 6k miles with it in 2020 and never got better then 10.5 towing our 13k 5th wheel Toy hauler. Most times it was around 9.5. Truck was great, loved how chill the 6,7l was.
@@barrthom603 it swayed more, when you hit a big head wind, when the wind hit the cap of the 5th wheel it created drag and its like you could feel the truck slow down in the wind, struggle to maintain speed and have to run higher rpms resulting in it blowing around. becuase it didnt have enough power to pull through the wind at current rpms. Whereas, the 6.7L doesnt even nitice the head wind, doesnt loose speed, or downshift, it pulls straight through it resulting in it not swaying. Basically the truck is more powerful then the wind and controls it, whereas with the 7.3 wind controls the truck and it true to adjust.
It reminded me of towing with my f150 about 6k lbs. It did it, but it could do it better kinda thing. The 10 spd get better economy, then my 17 6.7 powerstroke did. Especially running 3.31s with a 10 spd. Dont know where you live But in NC and SC this is what I get, even my old 17 6.7l got 10-11 mpg based on how I tow.But hey, you got both coming I'd advise you take the 7.3L tow 5-10 hrs with it then trade back on the 6.7L.
I’m coming from small trailer and now looking at getting a 5th wheel. How big of a deal is it for 5th wheels and needing to find accessible fuel stations? Going from diesel to gas, how big of a loss will it be not being able to utilize truck stop, big rig lanes?
I’m looking at 1 of the big 3 to purchase a bare bones option from. Regular cab dually with a V8 for my new cab over camper.. the price difference is 20 grand from a diesel with a few options. Just not sure which V8 I like most yet, they all have a charm to them.
Wow it's beautiful there
Straight up. I pull a Reflection 260RD that tops out at 9995lbs GVWR and love pulling it with a GMC 2500 6.6L SLE gasser. Traded in my 2020 Ram 2500 diesel after having suffered way too many emissions related issues with these new setups. 95% of my pulling is in the south around Louisiana with the occasional trip to Tennessee. Thing is for me the repairs are easier and much cheaper than on these new damn diesel trucks to the point even I can do them and parts are 1/4 the price. Don't get me wrong. The Ram was a beast. I just think the emissions on these trucks now days don't justify the cost now. Way too expensive to purchase and way too expensive to repair. Also if I ever have an issue with that L8T on the GMC then my replacement will me a Master Motorsports built L8T for 12k that pushes 600HP and almost 550lb's of torque.
That Master Motorsports L8T is above the torque specs for the 6L90E though, so you’d have to factor in the cost of trans upgrade, and probably would also need an aftermarket computer since the GM is completely locked too.
These are many of the exact same reason for my 7.3l decision. Guys here claiming that fuel price is a wash due to the slightly better fuel economy are full of shit.
The diesel costs 11k more just to buy it!! You’ll never make up these costs especially when the diesel starts breaking down and it 100% will. I’ll live with the minor disadvantages of a gasser considering all the things you gain.
What speed do u run your diesel at 75 when towing? I would run them back to back at 60 or whatever speed u would tow at
I took a 15k 5th wheel for 3000 miles in my 2014 Cummins Ram from Oregon coast to Kalispell MT. To Yellowstone and back to the Oregon coast my mpg's were 12.5 driving 75 where I could and 65 where I had to. Big mountains and Trans temp never went over 200 and it was 110 degrees most of the trip.
Love your video !! What’s the GCWR on that Ford?? Thanks
My dads 2015 gmc diesel ran at 1750 rpm at 65 mph with 6 speed transmission pulling bumper pull toy hauler that weighed about 8k
Around 10 mpg
It's most young people that don't understand the diesel. Most spend 60 to 100k + on a 250 up to a 450. For the money just get a 650 or 750 hd problem solved. But most go from a Honda to a 350 and can't drive anyway.
I’m not sure that I but that a 20 inch wheel would perform differently than an 18… Regardless of diameter, the tire contact patch is the same. I would argue it’s more aesthetic. But maybe I’m wrong.
GM and Ford use the same size tires for their 18” and 20” options. Both are 275/70/18 (33” tall) and 275/65/20 (34” tall). In both cases the 20” tire if it’s the same brand will have a slightly higher tire capacity than the 18” version will.
So yes, the 20” option could have a better capacity and perform better.
I thought JB was referring to the sway in the tire. Implying he feels the 18s have more sway, given the taller sidewall, as compared to the 20s.
A gas engine makes more horse and torque when it’s 20° outside. Try it when it’s 80° outside and see what your mileage is.
15 cubic inches from a 7.5 460, I guess it wont be long until Ford makes an actual 460 with 480hp/550tq comes out
Cool video, regardless, i would never choose a Gas over Diesel for hauling. Makes no sense.
FYI I have a 2008 6.4 Diesel any my trip mpg calculator is always about 2.5mpgs off from filling and calculation manually. I have never got the reading that that gauge on the dash says. So unless you feel strongly that the trip mileage is correct I don't and most ppl says the same its always off. BTW I subscribe to you and think you do a great job. So don't take this negatively .
Just a good ol godzilla
Resale is number 1 on my list on why I pick a diesel. You more than get your money back on the diesel while the gasser value shits the bed
@HalfShell yep.
7.3 oil pump is on a timing chain outside of the motor. ???
Where are you in this video? Beautiful mountains
I just want to carry a cabover camper, and tow a 20' bass boat behind. Is this gasser the way to go?
Had to get rid of my 2020 7,3 for a 2022 diesel for the pulling power of the diesel and mpg no comparison to the diesel had both
These gas engine guys are trying to convince them selves that they made the right decision going with big block gas engines over A diesel😂😂
*morpheus voice* ...hes beginning to believe... *morpheus voice*
Does that model have the camper pacakge? Just ordered mine with it and hope that rear sway bat was the right choice
Having towed with a gas 6.4 hemi. The next thing I will look for in my next gas tower is the larger fuel tank. The 48gal that comes in the long bed f350 crew cab is a big benefit. You are limited trying to fill up a gas motor hauling a long travel trailer or 5th wheel.
Ram HD trucks have an optional 50 gallon tank on long bed models. I have it and would not tow without it.