This is for the Australian, we also call the Tar Paper "Builders Paper" and I was so pleased that today I found it on a Roll where the store sells it by however much you want compared to a whole roll of it which we would never use up. I to must say thanks to Karan I'm just starting and I have enjoyed hers and a few of the others videos they are most helpful.Cheers from New ZealandJan B.
+Jan Bugden Awesome to know, Jan! Thanks for that tip! I put it in my video description for others! :-) If I weren't purchasing it for a several classes of kids to use, I certainly would love to buy it in smaller amounts! :-) Great tip! :-)
thank you so much for this video. You have answered some questions about my last failed slab build. Never thought to use tar paper to stiffen the slabs and make them easier to work. I almost fainted when I saw you stick them all together in one try without any helping hands. I am in awe.
Hello Karan, First of all, thank you for those great videos they are really helpful for me. would you please guide me on what kind of table is suitable that clay does not stick to?
I really get that Tar paper has its strength and supports the clay so we can bend it while it is still pliable. I am in the UK and like Australia we don't seem to be able to find Tar paper in our builders suppliers, just roofing felt which is bendy and useless for this. Do you or any of your followers know of an alternative? Wow it really looks a good technique.
Yes! It’s hard to do this method with texture prior to building! I have many videos of textured slabs - using different methods of construction! Here’s a playlist you may find helpful!! ua-cam.com/play/PLj0pNzEmvM_r9a5f85ZyTrqrP3SmHFKQS.html
This was fascinating to watch, but brings up a question - what's so special about tar paper? Can anything else be used in a pinch, like lightweight card? I'm in Australia, and we don't use tar paper for roofing, so I have no idea of it's properties. Is it more resiliant to moisture, and so is able to be re-used or something? If so, would it be an idea to use other bits of canvas to make your designs out of? Then you could scrub them clean! Just an idea I thought I'd chuck out there for ya. Really fascinating concept though, and I will definately give it a go sometime! Thanks so much for sharing!
TheMurlocKeeper Good morning from the States! :-) I'm fascinated that tar paper isn't used in Australia! Well, tar paper is a thick felt paper that is impregnated with a tar surface- making it nicely resistant to water. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_paper ) I can use the pieces over and over due to the resistance to water. It has a stiffer quality than fabrics, but that is a neat idea too!! I may have to try that for smaller pieces- or especially round pieces. Thanks for sharing that idea! :-) I have used substitutes for tar paper when I have not had a roll of it. if you use another type of paper product- I recommend a waxy paper or coated paper. (I have used a stencil wax paper before- thicker than kitchen type wax paper- and even a plastic coated paper that I had laminated... but that one didn't last for too long.) Some of my students have accidentally grabbed regular colored construction paper before rather than the tar paper, and by the end of the first 24 hours, the paper disintegrated and fell apart due to the water exposure! As far as lightweight cardstock... sure, that could be used, but I'm pretty sure it will disintegrate unless it is coated. I hope this helps- let me know if you have any questions!
That’s not anything I would order online- the shipping would be tremendous!! Like this one from Home Depot! www.homedepot.com/p/Warrior-Roofing-15-Felt-Roof-Deck-Protection-D406-0/100092007?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&&mtc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D29B-Multi-NA-WATERPIK-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK581541800-NA-NBR-623-CON-NA-FY22_623&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D29B-Multi-NA-WATERPIK-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK581541800-NA-NBR-623-CON-NA-FY22_623-71700000097259685-58700007902180421-92700071862301787&gbraid=0AAAAADq61UeGd9KMsHtVmXJb9ZZsH2hLI&gbraid=0AAAAADq61UeGd9KMsHtVmXJb9ZZsH2hLI&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxveXBhDDARIsAI0Q0x3yFl5s03i9KjvkyAwSluAMve6ICrrChsn7upo8XtLrNq6b9Elm59gaAhzHEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Hi earthbrn- YES! You can reuse the patterns for years! I have some that are at least 10 years old I use from time to time! Terrific if you need to make a set of items and can wait 24 hours between using the patterns! They do wrinkle a bit as it shrinks to leatherhard, but while they are still a little damp, I weigh them down to press them to flatten them out. But, on those (many) occasions in which I have forgotten to press them flat again, they still work great with a little wrinkly texture! ;-) I hope that helps! :-) Karan
Hi GetInspiredWithArt! Sorry, the templates are something which I make each of my students design themselves! I'd hate to post them- then it wouldn't be THEIR design, it would be mine! :-) But, we make the forms first of of construction paper, then build it, then trace out of tar paper. Just make sure you fold paper sides in half to get symmetry!
Is there a site or somewhere I can purchase templates. I'm in the San Diego area of California. I also would love to add, I adore you, you're such a great teacher. I'm just getting back into my clay after a 40-year absence raising children and working. I'm going to start to teach a few classes of girlfriends and we'll see how that goes LOL
Hi Diane- I have the table covered in a heavy canvas- (I buy it in rolls sold for painting supplies). Now, if you don't have a table you can dedicate to being canvas covered, I recommend a canvas-covered piece of masonite! I keep some canvas covered big boards (like 24" x 36" or so) on hand for my kids to take home if they need to work on something at home without pressing clay onto their mom's kitchen table! ;-)
Why are you still working on the wet piece of canvas, why not just move the clay over to a dry piece of canvas? Also why do you need to stick the tar paper to wet clay? The slab can't be that dry that the tar paper won't stick? Also, we don't have red sticks or yellow sticks. Can you give the actual measurement thickness of those sticks?
Hi has726- Let me answer your questions one by one... I am demonstrating it the way I am to give my students more of a real-life setting. I have 24 kids in each class- and 4 kids share a table. They have very limited space for them to work individually, and they have to learn/see how to work within that limited space. I do show in the video the point of moving to a slightly dryer spot a little to the left or right, and that works fine. Next- we wet the clay to stick the tar paper to it so it doesn't fall off. Without wetting it, it pulls away too easily for the students. The tar paper will only stick briefly to the clay without wetting it, and then starts peeling up. Next- the red sticks are 1/4", and the yellow sticks are 3/8". These sticks are sold by most pottery suppliers- but they have no color. I painted mine years ago to help my kids have consistency. (They weren't very good at getting two sticks that were the correct/same thickness otherwise) Color coding them makes it much easier for them. And, for your last question below... the point of the tar paper is that you don't have to let the clay set up before construction. If you allow clay to set up and get stiffer, and then attempt to bend it into a curvy shape, it will weaken, and possible crack or snap. Building with it while plastic just allows you to have infinitely more shapes possible with curves. Also, in a high school classroom setting, it is not conducive to having to allow the pieces to set up prior to construction. I don't have enough room in my cabinets and classroom to allow 175 students slabs to stiffen. (Yep- I have 175 ceramic students in my classroom every day!) I hope these answers help! Shoot me any more questions you might possibly have! :-) Karan
KaransPotsAndGlass I was wondering what size your yellow sticks were. Thank you for these videos. I love how you are making it applicable to students, but still sharing it with the public for learning purposes. I am learning a lot from these videos, especially about the slab method. ☺
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Clear, concise, informative, and well presented. Thank you.
This is for the Australian, we also call the Tar Paper "Builders Paper" and I was so pleased that today I found it on a Roll where the store sells it by however much you want compared to a whole roll of it which we would never use up. I to must say thanks to Karan I'm just starting and I have enjoyed hers and a few of the others videos they are most helpful.Cheers from New ZealandJan B.
+Jan Bugden Awesome to know, Jan! Thanks for that tip! I put it in my video description for others! :-) If I weren't purchasing it for a several classes of kids to use, I certainly would love to buy it in smaller amounts! :-) Great tip! :-)
Hi, do you remember the name of the store?
thank you so much for this video. You have answered some questions about my last failed slab build. Never thought to use tar paper to stiffen the slabs and make them easier to work. I almost fainted when I saw you stick them all together in one try without any helping hands. I am in awe.
Very welcome!
Gracias por tus enseñanzas. 🌼Me podrías decir de qué material es tu mesa de trabajo?
Hello Karan, First of all, thank you for those great videos they are really helpful for me. would you please guide me on what kind of table is suitable that clay does not stick to?
I really get that Tar paper has its strength and supports the clay so we can bend it while it is still pliable. I am in the UK and like Australia we don't seem to be able to find Tar paper in our builders suppliers, just roofing felt which is bendy and useless for this. Do you or any of your followers know of an alternative? Wow it really looks a good technique.
rosie race - a previous viewer commented that in Australia they call it builders paper!?
thanks very much I will have a look .
Great demo for slab work thank-you!!
If you texture your slab first, will wetting it and using tar paper mess up the texture?
Yes! It’s hard to do this method with texture prior to building! I have many videos of textured slabs - using different methods of construction! Here’s a playlist you may find helpful!! ua-cam.com/play/PLj0pNzEmvM_r9a5f85ZyTrqrP3SmHFKQS.html
This was fascinating to watch, but brings up a question - what's so special about tar paper? Can anything else be used in a pinch, like lightweight card?
I'm in Australia, and we don't use tar paper for roofing, so I have no idea of it's properties. Is it more resiliant to moisture, and so is able to be re-used or something?
If so, would it be an idea to use other bits of canvas to make your designs out of? Then you could scrub them clean! Just an idea I thought I'd chuck out there for ya.
Really fascinating concept though, and I will definately give it a go sometime! Thanks so much for sharing!
TheMurlocKeeper Good morning from the States! :-) I'm fascinated that tar paper isn't used in Australia! Well, tar paper is a thick felt paper that is impregnated with a tar surface- making it nicely resistant to water. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_paper ) I can use the pieces over and over due to the resistance to water. It has a stiffer quality than fabrics, but that is a neat idea too!! I may have to try that for smaller pieces- or especially round pieces. Thanks for sharing that idea! :-) I have used substitutes for tar paper when I have not had a roll of it. if you use another type of paper product- I recommend a waxy paper or coated paper. (I have used a stencil wax paper before- thicker than kitchen type wax paper- and even a plastic coated paper that I had laminated... but that one didn't last for too long.) Some of my students have accidentally grabbed regular colored construction paper before rather than the tar paper, and by the end of the first 24 hours, the paper disintegrated and fell apart due to the water exposure! As far as lightweight cardstock... sure, that could be used, but I'm pretty sure it will disintegrate unless it is coated. I hope this helps- let me know if you have any questions!
Thank you for the video! What material is covering your table? Seems a lot less sticky than mine.
heavy duty canvas!
Could you specify que width of the colored sticks?
Una profesora buenicima
Can you please provide a link for the tar paper 15#. I’m not finding the right thing while searching. Thanks so much.
That’s not anything I would order online- the shipping would be tremendous!! Like this one from Home Depot! www.homedepot.com/p/Warrior-Roofing-15-Felt-Roof-Deck-Protection-D406-0/100092007?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&&mtc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D29B-Multi-NA-WATERPIK-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK581541800-NA-NBR-623-CON-NA-FY22_623&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-RM-RMP-GGL-D29B-Multi-NA-WATERPIK-NA-SMART-NA-NA-MK581541800-NA-NBR-623-CON-NA-FY22_623-71700000097259685-58700007902180421-92700071862301787&gbraid=0AAAAADq61UeGd9KMsHtVmXJb9ZZsH2hLI&gbraid=0AAAAADq61UeGd9KMsHtVmXJb9ZZsH2hLI&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxveXBhDDARIsAI0Q0x3yFl5s03i9KjvkyAwSluAMve6ICrrChsn7upo8XtLrNq6b9Elm59gaAhzHEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Also, why don't you let the clay set up a little more before trying to build soft sides?
(answered that one above!) :-)
I can't wait to try this. I already have the tar paper. Can you tell me how much clay you used to make this design?
Not really sure- but I needed a LOT more clay to roll the slabs than I actually used! Guessing 8 lbs?
@@KaransPotsAndGlass That makes sense! Thanks for the reply.
I gasped at the magic going on at the 16:00 mark, I had forgotten about the tar paper.
I'm sorry if I missed it but can you reuse the tar paper patterns?
Hi earthbrn-
YES! You can reuse the patterns for years! I have some that are at least 10 years old I use from time to time! Terrific if you need to make a set of items and can wait 24 hours between using the patterns! They do wrinkle a bit as it shrinks to leatherhard, but while they are still a little damp, I weigh them down to press them to flatten them out. But, on those (many) occasions in which I have forgotten to press them flat again, they still work great with a little wrinkly texture! ;-) I hope that helps! :-) Karan
KaransPotsAndGlass That is awesome to hear and thank you for posting this video, its was very informative.
very nice!
why I have a lot of air bubble in my Flattened clay؟
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awsome! Can you make the templates and put it online please?
Hi GetInspiredWithArt!
Sorry, the templates are something which I make each of my students design themselves! I'd hate to post them- then it wouldn't be THEIR design, it would be mine! :-) But, we make the forms first of of construction paper, then build it, then trace out of tar paper. Just make sure you fold paper sides in half to get symmetry!
I'm not good with measuring :( so I need a template.
what kind of canevas do you rollin ?
Christiane- I just cover my table in the heaviest and most economical canvas I can find... I usually buy from a painting supplier!
KaransPotsAndGlass thanks
merci !
Is there a site or somewhere I can purchase templates. I'm in the San Diego area of California. I also would love to add, I adore you, you're such a great teacher. I'm just getting back into my clay after a 40-year absence raising children and working. I'm going to start to teach a few classes of girlfriends and we'll see how that goes LOL
what are you using for a mat to roll clay onto? thanks
Hi Diane-
I have the table covered in a heavy canvas- (I buy it in rolls sold for painting supplies). Now, if you don't have a table you can dedicate to being canvas covered, I recommend a canvas-covered piece of masonite! I keep some canvas covered big boards (like 24" x 36" or so) on hand for my kids to take home if they need to work on something at home without pressing clay onto their mom's kitchen table! ;-)
Thank you, Love your Videos! Diane
Why are you still working on the wet piece of canvas, why not just move the clay over to a dry piece of canvas? Also why do you need to stick the tar paper to wet clay? The slab can't be that dry that the tar paper won't stick? Also, we don't have red sticks or yellow sticks. Can you give the actual measurement thickness of those sticks?
Hi has726-
Let me answer your questions one by one...
I am demonstrating it the way I am to give my students more of a real-life setting. I have 24 kids in each class- and 4 kids share a table. They have very limited space for them to work individually, and they have to learn/see how to work within that limited space. I do show in the video the point of moving to a slightly dryer spot a little to the left or right, and that works fine.
Next- we wet the clay to stick the tar paper to it so it doesn't fall off. Without wetting it, it pulls away too easily for the students. The tar paper will only stick briefly to the clay without wetting it, and then starts peeling up.
Next- the red sticks are 1/4", and the yellow sticks are 3/8". These sticks are sold by most pottery suppliers- but they have no color. I painted mine years ago to help my kids have consistency. (They weren't very good at getting two sticks that were the correct/same thickness otherwise) Color coding them makes it much easier for them.
And, for your last question below... the point of the tar paper is that you don't have to let the clay set up before construction. If you allow clay to set up and get stiffer, and then attempt to bend it into a curvy shape, it will weaken, and possible crack or snap. Building with it while plastic just allows you to have infinitely more shapes possible with curves. Also, in a high school classroom setting, it is not conducive to having to allow the pieces to set up prior to construction. I don't have enough room in my cabinets and classroom to allow 175 students slabs to stiffen. (Yep- I have 175 ceramic students in my classroom every day!)
I hope these answers help! Shoot me any more questions you might possibly have!
:-) Karan
KaransPotsAndGlass I was wondering what size your yellow sticks were. Thank you for these videos. I love how you are making it applicable to students, but still sharing it with the public for learning purposes. I am learning a lot from these videos, especially about the slab method. ☺