Gran Turismo 7's New AI is Absolutely INSANE.
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2023
- Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.29 finally brings Sophy AI to the PS5-owning public. Is it worth all the hype?
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That final race was intense! It really shows the potential Sophy has to be actually competitive!
Sophy has the capability of beating you every single time tbh.
@@Wardawg- All of us, every single time.
Sophy's aggressiveness has definitely been tuned down even in the 1vs1 mode, in earlier exhibition races it had the nerve to be late on the brake and dived down the inside to overtake other cars.
Yes, but it makes sense considering 99% of the playerbase is nowhere near as fast as the world tour drivers
Let alone the infamous Le Man's Ford Chicane.
No the purple car still dives down every chance it gets
@@Sideways_Singhyeah I did a handful of races yesterday. It would dive down on me in every turn. Even to the point of ramming me.
Sophy can beat me in a race, but can she cure my obsession for the Croatian insulated optical fiber industry?
whatsapp MuYe, didn’t know u played GT7
Sophy is so good, she will beat BTC back down below $10k.
@@Ermz oof
@@Ermz Sophy has already mined all the Bitcoins remaining.
Zamn
That final race is insane! Seeing it just glued to your bumper the whole way is a testament to how well they trained it. I want this to become the standard for their AI. Have a difficulty mode that allows us to have standing starts in the career again. Here's hoping Sophy will be the norm if they release a Gran Turismo 8.
In the same press release for PSVR2 and Sophy in this new update, Kazunori Yamauchi said that GT8 has already started development.
Would love to see how Sophy would drive after being trained by a Forza player for 10 hours
oh so burnout 6?
@@IPlayKindred RIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAACER
Can't wait for them to implement this as the full fledged difficulty mode in future
its too taxing to do that hence why its only a small handful of cars on the track
@Combustion69 what they can do is keep 15 AI cars running at current in game difficulty and add 4 GT sophy cars in the mix....do grid start and keep our car at the end...so, over taking last 15 cars would be pretty easy and then we can do wheel to wheel racing with remaining 4 cars till the end
@@vyasrushi5177 the ps5 may not be able to handle 4 sophy cars AND 15 normal AI cars, thats asking too much of it
@@EazyDuz18 that is not how neuro network AI works, it takes a LOT of processing power to train the model, but after you trained it and have the weights calibrated on the nodes, you can use it at basically no cost of processing power. If it was not like that, something like chatGPT would be impossible to be give to millions or even billions of people.
@@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa it still needs to make decisions in real time, which takes a LOT of processing power, hence why it isnt possible on PS4
That intro 😆
Hello super gt, viewers here.
I was mostly impressed with your driving in that final race. Well done, sir.
Very impressive! In a few weeks when the T1000--err--Sophie adapts to us humans, Polyphony will need to create new "robot-polishing" modes where WE actually wash the cars and play as the pit-crew. Fun times ahead!
Ooooh a "student Sophie" game mode would be cool, where you're given the ai at a very low level and you're tasked with racing it and helping it improve it's racing ability and etiquette by example to race against actual leagues or whatever. Yeah that'd be dope as hell
Didn’t that happen 15 years ago
@@Journey_Awaitsyeah it's called B-spec mode, good times.
As someone who’s fed up with the dirty driving in GT7s online races.
If this is done properly it will be a game changer.
Not gonna lie but the emoji looks very cute, kinda gave the Ai much more character.
Also, that final race reminded me of Senna vs Mansell in Monaco, almost like a race you would only see in something like Initial D
Yeah, this Sophy AI is though sometimes. It really does show how fast a Artificial Intelligence. The last race was so intense. I tried it too, i got destroyed by it by 7 seconds.. still getting used to a steering wheel. Great video man!
it’s definitely though
GT AI before: Polite, respectful, realises it can cut you from the inside..but remains civilised following the DVLA road/traffic code.
GT Sophy AI: *DIVEBOMB THE CORNER*
GT AI respectful? Civilised? I must be playing a different game lol
@@some_doofus OK it was the polar opposite in higher PP games
The AI is crazy, but your fight was EPIC! The last race brought more joy than a few Marvel movies binged together :D
calm down
not difficult to do nowadays lmao
That incident with the TT on the straight isn‘t actually a lack of awareness, it actively tries to block you there, even going as far as swerving left and right. On the other hand however, Sophy will also back out of moves it believes it can‘t make, like into 130R
When they made the second announcement, I read they limited how far ahead and behind she sees. I don't remember exactly but I think it's at most couple of hundreds meters. So she stays in the slipstream, but if she too far behind, it doesn't bother with what are you doing.
@@alpha007org That‘s possible, but I had cases where I was right behind the TT and she did not want to let me pass at all
Omg congratulations on the last race, that made me feel so much better.
I hope to see more of Sophy in every way. Not just limited to this or solo racing.
Sophy will only get better. A few “goes” later the AI KNOWS what you are going to do before you do it 😂
I think in a while Sophy should learn to drop back a little before a straight so it can use the draft better
15:43 definitely a difficulty tweak
The Final Race against the Sophy AI kinda reminded me a lot to Rossi vs Lorenzo 2009. So. INTENSE.
Everyone is talking about the final race but the corvette race was just more impressive to me cause of the way it senses the grip of the corvette.
Well done with that last race, looks like offline races will become much more interesting.
sophy makes me wonder if the new wave of AI will ever find itself modded into other sim titles like assetto, that would be wild
I lost by 0.01s on Expert 🤣 One of the most fun race I had with CPU in ages 😅
I think humanity worldwide was rooting for you last race! Good to see you back 😁
So, Sophie modes in a nutshell:
- Way too easy
- Still too easy
- Not even close
- Depressingly impossible
Put a slider on it, please. With exponential rewards, please (e.g. 3x difficulty = 5,6,7...x reward).
Hopefully it will be on point just on time for the release of GT11 X'D
I wonder if simply varying tire grip level and/or engine power, which a priori should be easy enough to implement, would provide closer racing? Because that's one thing to lower the laptimes; that's another to have similar track progression over time. If the speed dynamics is too different to a non altered car, I guess it won't feel like close racing any more: if it's consistently slower in the corners or in the straights, but compensate with near perfect lines, it might not cut it either, because gaps would constantly go up and down, instead of just being generally and consistently low... It'd have to be experimented with.
In the game’s defense, there is a reason why “Depressingly impossible” doesn’t not have any prize money. It’s intended to analyze your A-game and that alone.
@@zSTALKn I don't get it; mind explaining?
@@EddieOtool At 1:56 (and several other times) you can see the 1vs1 does not have a cash prize while the rest of the difficulties do. Should a prize exist, players may find themselves frustrated in the pursuit of it.
@@zSTALKn The first sentence I figured out, but the second not. That's an interresting point of view really. I wonder though if the lack of incentive besides bragging rights makes data gathering scarce at best.
Oh, but you don't mean data gathering on their side; you mean data gathering on the driver's, to up one's game. Maybe; but still, no reward = low incentive...
For the mere purpose of discussion, and by no intention of proving any point, SuperGT managed to beat them all by coming first out of the first corner, and then defending like crazy/killing them, just like Ermz did. They're very easy (relatively speaking) to beat when you spin them out; they're very long to recover, and ineffective at saving spins. Could be heavily exploited were there a prize pool involved.
Thanks for demonstrating the different difficulties, you’re the only reviewer I’ve seen do this so far. Regarding that “angry face” emoji, the one in your thumbnail. I think that’s not anger, but SOPHY’s “racing hard” or concentration face, given the context. $.02. 🤷♂️👍
Many years ago I was coding the AI for a MMORPG. At that time we had character feelings towards the player based on biases (which could change) and communication between the NPC's as information spread across the world. The information would mutate, a kind of Chinese whispers, growing in the telling according to NPC biases.
I can see sim racing going this way, with attitudes being spread across the interwebs between all players so that AI can react to you according to things it has "heard" from other AI. For the first time we could have proper mixed real-person/artificial-person races.
Yeah She impresses me more then the new Dogfight ai in DCS which is still the worst in plane games and they just tought it two new tricks. Like she is an actual AI she actually is bound to ttthe same limits as we are and atleast tries to think like us... Well done PD and excent final race!
Considering DCS is in a league of it's own the ai here is phenomenal. Can't wait to see where this goes the next couple of years.
wow I did not expect dcs to be talked about here
DCS is proper Simulator. Way more deep to make AI great for those games. Gran Turismo is arcade game can't really compare.
@@kak8895 Doesn't matter that's its "arcade" dude. The ai is still machine learning on the spot. DCS ai is no where near this yet.
@@Wiiillllson151 This is steam recommend settings for DCS:
Processor: Intel or AMD 4.5Ghz+ with 6 cores
Memory: 32 GB RAM
Graphics: Discrete AMD or NVIDIA 8GB+
Storage: 300 GB available space.
ML AI needs fast, precise processing power to process insane levels of data in a Simulator like DCS. Gran Turismo definitely doesn't have that level of data processing going on in the backend that's why it and games like Forza/NFS would make great testing base for ML.
Point is it actually matters a lot hardware wise.
it's funny the fact that sophy makes it seem like we're the AI
The thing that bothers me about all of this Sophie AI stuff seems to be the self-aggrandizing nature that exists at Polyphony.
What I mean by that is the focus of creating this AI was more to create an unbeatable AI than it was to create AI that would make for good racing. So far all I see is a lot of marketing - but no real improvement in the racing experience. Only time will tell but sad to say that even if they have created a better AI they are not going to apply it in a way that makes good racing.
As far as I understand, they start in order from "worse to best" (Bleue is the "easiest", then Rouge, then Verte and then Violette is the hardest, as you can see in the 1 vs 1).
Also, I don't think the other events have the AIs tuned down, but your car tuned up. That's why it really shows in the final 1vs1, since it's standing start next to each other, and not even having the rolling start advantage.
I wish you could configure all GT7 races to have a regular standing grid, or at least have a qualifying session instead of constantly playing catch up to the 15 other dudes who are almost half lap in for free.
I really enjoyed my time vs Sophy and also, your video. Keep up the great work!
Really when it bumps you I really think it's unsure if you're gonna back off or not cause she's trying to be aggressive. She does fix herself when she does make contact compared to the old way where they just ram you till they get through their line. Other times it looks like on purpose, maybe cause in GT7 online it probably wouldn't even count as a penalty.
I think the AI is trained against similar cars, so the first few attempts on Suzuka aren't really a fair representation of its cleanliness since you're in a much faster car.
I reckon a solid amount of the difficulty changes between the difficulties is actually the car you drive itself. Since on expert you still have a car that is significantly faster than the AI.
I saw Sophy Violette drifting Tsukuba every lap at the last corner on expert. Same AI also dive bombed me quite often and turned into me a couple of times (maybe I wasn’t far enough alongside) so I got a little rougher
maybe you just brake too early...
@@zuminlair92cp that too, forgot about that possibility. I brake earlier in this game, because otherwise if I brake where the AI does or at the 100 or 50 metre marker board the car will go straight on or the brakes will lock resulting in the car goes straight on, so the solution I went with was brake earlier. Forget late braking as that would never work. Or at least it didn’t look like it would
I really hope they bring this full time into this and gt8... I love how aggressive the AI is
I felt a certain sense of excitement that I only get when the racing is incredibly intense and really gets you onto the tip of your seat. I kinda feel like the other colors are a bit more mellow than the purple one, it'd be nice to be able to switch them out for the 1v1 to really get a feel for how it reacts. Then again, with exciting racing in equal machinery like this it's a huge improvement from what I've seen!
I have done a couple of these races so far and I love how on the straight in the 1v1 races Sophy has more straight line speed than we do in identical cars.
Thats probably because it is perfecting corner exit
Missed your vids ermz, thanks for uploading this gem ❤
I was very confident after tackling the multi-car races. And then I tried the 1v1. The tears came shortly after.
Same. Tried 1v1 and was only able to keep the AI at bay for about 3 turns by cheesing it a bit. Going SLIGHTLY slower and defending hard. However the 4 turn I just couldn't nail down and it passed me every time and it was over haha. I stand NO chance against the super human version atm.
The Sophy Emote sound reminds me of the Gran Turismo Concept Toyota Pod Racing.
The king has returned, REJOICE!
Can't wait to try this in vr tomorrow, if it arrives on launch
That intro. Shootout to who understood!
Question is, can this run locally on a console or is it computed on a server somewhere and streamed as if it were multiplayer?
If AI like this can run locally once trained, it would effectively solve the biggest issue with offline and singleplayer racing.
It is running locally, that's why it is PS5 only
@@vyasrushi5177 I didn't know that. That's pretty cool tbh
@@vyasrushi5177 it isnt its streamed, GT7 is an online only game
@@EazyDuz18Yeah that doesn't mean everything is streamed though. They mostly do it to prevent cheaters, not because the game wouldn't work entirely offline.
@@Maenfy Source:Trust me bro
Damn I wish GT was available on PC
Not doing any more on ermz drives chief? and my mans not as frequent as he used to be :( ah well we enjoyed the mad covid content lmao, keen for the future beam rally vids tho cuz theyre always a send. Love ya m8
Now imagine Shopy adding to the Forza divertars... Pretty much it knows how you you drive so other people can race you offline and you could rrace realish people offline and ot just beat their lap times.
Excellent breakdown!
I'm wondering if what you deemed as situations where Sophy needs improved situational awareness were actually cases where Sophy was holding a grudge? Each time it happened it was the red car and that was the car you turned sideways multiple times at Trial Mountain
Racing sophy makes me feel like a nooby 💀
That final race was a nail biter! lol Way to hold on mate!
The war against AI machines does not look good for humans after this
I tried it and got the impression that it doesn't really have a difficulty slider. I think it always drives as best as it can, that's why easier difficulties just give you op cars.
I hope they can tweak it so it's not always perfect, otherwise it wouldn't be very fun to play.
Yeah the ultimate goal is create an AI good enough to make mistakes.
Good win very clean
Can't wait to try the VR version
tried few battles and felt real pressure on the back...this thing may bring an overwhelmingly altered picture of racing games in near future
Video: "Hello viewers..."
Me: "Did I click on a Super GT video?"
Video: "Super ERMZ here."
Does Sophy get mad like Bing? Maybe a divebomb on the last lap with an angry emoji😂
Love the SuperGT intro
Don’t know if you mentioned it in the video as missed the start and to lazy to rewind 😂 but the AI is always on a worse set of tires no matter of difficulty. Last race for example there on hards while your on meds
I really like what I seeing from sophy. It looks like a great training tool, and save public embarrasment, until we can be more experienced.
Does it still have that “final lap speed boost” bs the ai does or did they finally get rid of it
Hi have you got a video on simracinggp and how much it cost to join?
Oh the pressure
I wanted you to take Sophie out T1 at Trial Mountain for testing purposes 😜
Can you adjust sophies difficulty?
I m quite new to gt, so there would t be much fun racing an ai that runs perfect labs
It's a test currently and there are 3 stages where you get different cars depending on what difficulty you pick. If you choose expert you get a slow car if you choose easy you get a fast car. Then there is the 1v1 mode which puts you in the same car as Sophy.
@@Maenfy thx
Nice nod to SuperGT 😋👍
Ayoo how are we doing Ermz 😁💪🏻
Was ever clarified if Sophy is running locally on your own PS5 or in the cloud?
00:02 Hello Super Ermz viewer here
all I need is the ability to fill racing slots in my online lobby with sophy so me and my friend can take them on!!!
hello ermz,super viewer here !!
All I heard the entire final race was:
DONT STAND SO
DONT STAND SO
DONT STAND SO CLOSE TO ME!!!
The red Rogue guy is supposed to be the aggressive one lol. Hence the name and colour
You are alive🤔👍
Amazing !
Sophy didn't build small gap before straights in that last race to gain more speed from the slipstream. That's why it didn't get past, not perfect.
makes no sense that would just vreate dirty air
it;s a learning AI..sooo yah
@@snoopy_peanuts_77 yea at least on a racing games I have played you increase the gap a bit before straight and try to get good exit so you stay longer inside the slipstream to build more speed.
@@Vvopat96 I get it ...but again this a learning AI....it will take sometime
@@snoopy_peanuts_77 true
Tsukuba t1,2,3,4 looks like zandvoort t 1,2,3,4
Honestly, i'm not saying it's a gimick, but it certainly appears so by this video. A fancy name for a much needed upgrade to the ai. It's great ai, but not groundbreaking.
My races do not show those emojis on top of Sophy's cars . How can i activate them , i find them cute 🥰
"The abonimation that is GT7's AI"
have you forgot Sport's AI? Least on release 7's AI made moves and raced like there was more than a single line coded in.
Sophy can't beat you if you beat her off the line and block her throughout the whole race
The Gt40 wrangling
They have created their so called ultimate AI but still using these chase the rabbit rolling start mode, brilliant!
You can do one v one if you think you are fast enough to keep up 🤷♂️
very impressed
Wait another month. Sophy is a reinforcement learning AI. It will get smarter over time. By the end of this trial period, No one can beat Sophy. LOL
Shoud do a race with same cars
Sophy should finally make B-Spec return to the next GT game, and should also replace the AI itself after 25 years.
you look like jacob umansky if he didn't wear glasses and if he was a sim racer
Impressive, I would prefer the " Expert" difficulty in a good career ( with options for the easier difficulties of course) it seems the most rounded. And Sophie should be punished for ramming and poor sportsmanship too or learn from the player ( Player clean/ Sophie clean, Player like Forza rammer/ Sophie becomes more aggressive but both sides face penalties). The " Superhuman" mode is impressive but not of course not real, and after a few rounds real tiores would be gone when every corner is a perfect 4WD drift :)
I cant believe you wont that last race insane!!!!
At the end Sophy reports you for some shit would be hilarious ;D. In Super GT s video the AI even dodged his ramming attempt leaving him in the wall alone ;D.
Sophy violette is a reincarnation of pure evil.
The AI is also finally in a condition to take advantage of slipstreams, otherwise the AI in GT7 is almost incapable of doing this and continues to drive its line bluntly.
I only have a PS4 pro so I have to ask. Can you chase a AI car into an apex without being brake checked just we should be getting on the loud pedle. In my opinion the biggest weakness in the original AI. A program which teaches young drivers who don't drive in real life to drive like a holes.
congrats on being the first in the sim racing community to broadcast the new gt7 update. here’s hoping you’ve pre order the psvr2 also.
edit: no psvr fail
The race together Sophie demo doesn't appear in my Gran Turismo how do you get it? I am guessing I have to go to the local gay bar and blow somebody for a menu book?
i hope someday sophy can drive a real car T_T
How many takes did it take to take 1st place in the final race? ;-)
I'm not sure if this is a poem or legit question.
Cool showcase, now they just need to roll this AI out for the rest of the game and fix all those other issues it has real while at it :)
I still dont get why many racing games dont have smarter AI that doesnt have to rubberband or cheat to win. I wouldnt go superhuman, but the AI trying to block and take different lines but also making slight mistakes makes them seem more human...