Patiphan retires + Shock & Dragons start the stage 0-2! - Plat Chat Overwatch Episode 145
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- Esports podcast specializing in feeding and Overwatch.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Intro
5:40 BLOG: Transitioning to Overwatch 2
7:00 BLOG: 'Defensive Matrix' Anti-cheat & Anti-harassment initiative
40:55 Is the new Damage passive overpowered?
1:00:00 LA Gladiators' Patiphan retires from Overwatch
1:06:10 San Francisco in trouble? Starts Countdown Cup 0-2
1:08:30 SF Shock conversation devolves into Tank meta discussion
1:24:50 Dallas Fuel start Countdown Cup 2-0! Will they claim #1 seed?
1:31:00 Breaking down the middle: Can any team step up?
1:48:00 Everyone's wrong: Shanghai Dragons start 0-2
1:54:15 Would you rather pick Shanghai or Seoul to WIN IT ALL?
2:03:15 Best of the Rest: Which APAC team do you NOT want to miss playoffs?
2:13:30 POWER RANKINGS!
2:27:55 Token matches & Double Points Pick'em Predictions
2:38:55 Bren's Player of the Week! - Ігри
The shortened title says “Plat chat Over” and I got scared for a second but it just “Plat chat Overwatch”
Lol
Plat chat 2 incoming
@@nicbo069 Let's go!
I like how Creative and Iris are doing really well, arguably better, on their new teams
why did iris leave outlaws? im lost
does also help with profit smurf fits on your team. not bashing iris
@@ketchupOW could be wrong but pretty sure soul and Houston traded creative and iris, they didn't leave
@@ketchupOW we don't know for sure but there must be going on something behind the scenes for them to trade teams so late into the season. Iris and Creative are comparable in skill so why trade away team synergy. Probably one of these players had an issue with the team.
@@CantUseYellow bruhaps
so THAT'S why my Tuesday felt more empty and hollow than usual
Always a blast when AVRL brings the APAC spice to Plat Chat
Trying not to laugh out loud in the gym watching you guys is always a challenge
Haha
m8 i nearly dropped my bar during a bench press while listening to them. I feel you lmao
RIP NASA Dart
I'm doing my part to engage with this content.
Regarding the DPS passive, isn't Ult charge already the reward for "being on fire". Like Overwatch already has ultimates as its "win more" mechanic. Adding an additional one to DPS, which is already the strongest and most fun role, seems like a bad design decision.
Imo, changing a role passive twice in the span of a couple months, when the passives were initially announced February of 2021 shows just how much balancing was going on for the 3 years overwatch wasn't being updated.
@@FlintsInfernape at least we know they were honest when they said they'd share everything they had during development
The tension between Jaws and Avrl for the first hour 😂
If DPS heroes must get a passive just give them increased movement speed out of spawn. Gets them back into the fight more quickly without being snowbally
From 49:50-50:33 literally everyone takes a turn cutting Avrl off...
My man Jaws didn’t let Avrl get a word in during the dps passive rant 😭
absolutely you guys have silver and gold players listening to the show. Im a silver tank and dps player(bronze support). I honestly attribute my climb into silver to listening to plat chat and watching OWL. Ive learned so much about the game because of these 2 outlets
I like this meta because IMO there is no "right" choice in composition or tank to play even. There are much much weaker ones, like I would say Ball or Hog (despite Reiner trolling on it) are not the right pick at all, but every other tank I could see getting some play really. I think the only real staple, or what should be a real staple is Sombra. Sombra is too good right now not to play. But your secondary DPS, your tank, and your two supports can kind of mix and match and tool to what your team believes are the best picks, kind of like what Johnny was saying midway through the video. And that's kind of cool. I see it as like things like Dva, JQ and Orisa are very aggressive options, where as Winston and Zarya are more of a controlling option, to control things and pace things more. All can work out given that your team plays around them well and you have the correct team composition for each.
Very cool last meta we're going into
Second to last technically. Who knows what Kiriko is going to do to the meta when she is available in the playoffs. I think the playoffs are going to be nuts and we might see some crazy matches.
I think the issue with the passives is that the tank and support ones exist to offset bad parts of the play experience. As a tank, it sucks to get booped all over the place, and as a support, it sucks when you can heal everyone but yourself and you're low hp. The worst parts of playing dps in OW1 are stuns and barriers, which are being largely reduced anyway. Dps are already super fun, so they don't *need* a passive the way the other roles do.
The sms protect is a horrible change especially if it’s going to be this strict it’s not only prepaid phones that cannot get access but also people that are not using one of the 3 or 4 large service providers they’re killing the game and nothing has proven that more to me than the most recent blog post many people I know won’t even be able to play the game even though it’s supposed to be free they’re so worried about toxicity when it shouldn’t even be in our hands, players have the ability to mute or leave chat, and they’ve created so many precautions that are just preventing people from even being able to play the game. I’ve been playing this game for 5 1/2 years with well over 12,000 hours and I might be done at this point.
RIP all crayfish, spacecraft and marriages BibleThump
I'm going to miss the Pati-copter...
Against the Titans Happy played Tracer while Kevster was on Genji for awhile. I think it was King's Row iirc.
I completely understand how players get overwhelmed with overwatch. I originally didn't because my introduction to overwatch wasn't playing, it was watching, which was far more simpler to get into. But I just started playing gundam evolution, a very similar 6v6, character switching, different map type, style game. You play the tutorial with a soldier-esque character and there are 18 total characters, 5 of which are locked initially. Finding a character that fits your playstyle is tough, then on top of that you have to learn to recognize what other characters can do. A couple characters have shields that aren't necessarily obvious like with overwatch, is it worth shooting at them, or should you concede space. There are melee characters. Are you able to outplay them or should you run away? Then there are map types. Learning how they work and where to play from to maximize your success is crucial and dependent on who you're playing. There's a koth, 2cp, and destruction, which is similar to 2cp where you gain control of a location, but different in that you place a bomb at one of 2 locations and in 60 seconds the bomb explodes. The defending team can disarm the bomb. And when the first bomb blows up, another set of bomb planting locations are revealed. TLDR: New game similar to overwatch came out, learning it was overwhelming. Still only know how to play a handful of characters. But playing vs characters has gotten considerably easier since the start.
RIP THE NASA DART, GOATED SPACESHIP
My idea for passive for dps, it should be something like an adrenaline rush, where if you deal a final blow you gain 5-10 hp, for the next 5 seconds and you only gain hp when you’re pretty low and if you do have some hp gained out of this adrenaline rush, you don’t gain hp until it’s fully depleted. Something like that makes sense, it would be so helpful on flanks.
That is the best idea for a dps passive. Something like the briggite armor she used to give you. 10 or even 20 hp armor or shield its a good idea
Except for the "you don't gain hp until it's fully depleted" thing. That could be a really bad hindrance in many cases.
@@blaynegreiner9365 how else would you have it then? Any suggestion?
@@blaynegreiner9365 id rather it be until it depletes than the alternatives (stacking or resetting with each kill)
Idea for a DPS passive would be for them to do increased damage against barriers, turrets and other non player things, it would not be super frustrating (mby u do it without the barrier part but u gotta test and see to rly know) but it would still be a little neat😅
ion know if shields and turrets would be good cuz then heroes like rein and torb would be shit. I think if dps heroes also did increased damage to overhealth it would be much better so tanks like ball and jq wouldnt just be better than rein or sig who’s shields would just get shit on. anyways I definitely like ur idea waaaay more than dps heroes running circles around everyone else after the first pick of a team fight
@@kaiiyoya1494 Honestly I was thinking the same thing and just forgot when writing the comment😂 Thx for reminding me!
Give them a movement buff for when they come out of spawn for a few seconds based on their Elim vs death ratio. That way they get rewarded for contributing to eliminations but don't gain additional benefits during fights. This means that if your already playing well and don't die your always contributing to fights, if you die and you did well you get to contribute faster towards doing your actual job that is securing eliminations and doing damage.
Yes it means that 1 teams DPS might return to a fight sooner then the other, but during that time the team that did get the pick has the advantage.
Also if that player did return in a losing fight and dies again his kills to death ratio decreases so next death he had less of a movement buff when he comes out of spawn.
Just like in kick off clash I can see Glads beating Dallas. Everyone is on the Dallas train until they face a main tank and a team that knows how to utilize it.
Kinda agree. Glads are scary again.
i think the difference this meta is that dva is actually playable, which would counter maintanks pretty well
xd
Avrls takes on the ult charge passive were great
For the dmg passive, I’d like to see his an increased reload speed and/ or fire recovery rate
And now striker is here, right after the episode airs 😂
The 30% ULT passive on all roles is necessary for most ranks. We don’t get to see the meta develop over scrims before official matches. Lots of why the game is loved is because players can sculpt their hero pool to feel confident playing against any team comp. Best example is I can play Winston and Zarya so I can go Zarya against a DVa or Roadhog. The passive allows for that to apply to every game bc I can swap after first life rather than guessing what tank my enemy will play before the gates open.
I love this show and this game...
Dps should not have a role passive. It is incredibly clear simply by the fact that they have to try so hard to come up with 1, tanks and supports needed 1 because of 5v5 and the power of dps. Unless dps get significantly nerfed as a whole they should not have a passive.
They should have just kept the ult passive it was just a small thing that really didnt affrct too much
@@sleepymoose453 all roles having that passive is a very good thing. Dps can have that as they still do, dps just should not have a role specific passive, it's forced af and makes no sense.
@@kaladinstormblessed9626 disagree
@@sleepymoose453 but why??? I don't get it man. It actually makes no sense.
@@kaladinstormblessed9626 beacuse all roles having one different passive is logical and the ult passive was a small positive like the self heal and tank passive. U don't even realise the tank passive when it "works" because its a passive. Giving dps the ult passive fits the role better with switches for example against pharah, echo, bastion and more
not on Spotify yet:(
RIP NASA DART, it would have loved OW2
Avast and Avrl sharing a mic stand
1:08:28 on top of that zen too. That's discord + extra dmg from hack and hack disabling abilities for longer. Plus sleep and anti from ana. Like i was saying this during the justice vs shock game. Like ball is juat not good rn. Mikeyy imo himself wasnt playing that bad, but he basically had to play so safe as to not get eliminated every single teamfight meanwhile the other teams tank can just sit on or near point as dva or sig or something
RIP KILLER ☹️
yes RIP KILLER and NASA DART... :(
Imo for the DPS passive you could give a DPS a movement buff when he gets out of spawn based on the amount of elims per death ratio.
So if your 10 elims 1 death you can gain a movement buff for 10 (maybe lower that to max of 7 seconds or something).
It will mean that they don't get overpowered or gain extra benefits in fights.
It also rewards dps for doing their actual role in contributing to eliminations.
DPS who do not die don't benefit from it but it means they are already winning fights more consistently then the other team.
Thus if you die but hit 3 seperate people and because of the damage you did they get killed you might now have a 5 elims 1 death ratio meaning you get a 5 second movement buff that allows you to contribute to the eliminations faster thus doing your actual job faster.
Doing something like this means that you do get a actual benefits from contributing to kills during the game but won't allow you to hit every single person once as Ashe then missing 7 bullets and your other dps headshots them as hanzo so now you get your ammo back as Ashe a full second faster then the opposing Ashe player just because you hit 5 people total and missed everything else. That other Ashe player might have hit 12 bullets but not get a Elim because the the enemies ran behind cover or a shield.
Lol when me, my wife and oldest son were living in this tiny apartment, we had caught a crawfish and kept him as a little pet. Every morning we woke up he was out of his little tank and was either in the kitchen or bathroom. Lol we released him after like 4 days. He was cute for an ugly little monster lol
Idk why, I tried connecting my phone number and it said it was already in use, but I only have one other account and my number isn't on it.
WHO'S USING MY PHONE NUMBER AND HOW DID THEY GET ACCESS TO IT
Regarding having to put numbers to your accounts, if you have one number already, What i tested it seems that everytime you want to play on a different account that you already owned before ow 2 you can switch the number between accounts. It only takes a minute to do
avrl made a great point about the ball pick being garbo
For Plat Chat next week, you guys should group up together and livestream playing overwatch 2
23:30 The physical location of the Server matters. If its in Europe its difficult to get "voice recording without permission" threw. If the server is in germany... oh boy these guys will make you pay for even wanting to do that.
Pre recorded and still 720P? I get it it's a podcast, but UA-cam crushes everything at 720P. And yes, that includes audio that makes a $500 mic sound like $50 at this bitrate.
Man I miss the egg and Bren..
i think a decent dps passive would be "for every final blow, you get a 5% dmg boost for 5 seconds" and make them stack
no
I wonder if there will be a cooldown between phone numbers being removed or added to accounts. In theory you could remove the number from your main account and add it to a second account and then add it back to your main account right?
Patiphan! 😭
Is Kurt ever coming back or did he quit?
Dear Jaws, Smurfing is definitely a problem which impacts the enjoyment of the game. Regards, Bronze Tier
The DPS passive was the removal of a 2nd tank in the match. Literally, not having a 2nd tank already brought dps back to their hard carry position on the team.
stiker goes to shock right after this drops lol
I was looking for a normal crack for a long time and stumbled upon you, thank you very much
Think DPS passive should be a reduced respawn time so they are punished less for trying a risky opening plays but shouldn't make much difference in team fights, only real negative would be increased stagger stalling last point some times.
Couldn’t prepaid plans just be accepted with some algorithm that verifies regular payments are made over the course of the last 3 months? That way you prove that you use that phone, have to pay a minimum amount for it (e.g 10$ a month idk) and the system lets you play
I think it needs to be said that should London and Toronto end on the same amount of league points London will have higher seeding because they've gotten more league points from match wins. Toronto made 3 tournaments and so has 3 league points there, whereas London missed out on the kickoff clash so only have 2. I'm pretty sure match win points are the first tiebreaker, meaning Toronto must have more league points overall in order to outrank London
How about for a damage passive idea when the dps gets a final blow they get rewarded with 2% ult charge or something. That number can change, say it’s 5% ult charge for a final blow. Maybe raise the ult cost for all dps ults to compensate but this encourages final blows and doesn’t touch movement speed
RIP NASA Dart
In terms of the discussion for DPS passives. What if they removed the movement speed and just granted reload speed at maybe 30 or 35% on final blows. Still impactful but not overbearing and allows you to do damage more often and get back in the fight a little bit faster. It doesn't need to be something more substantial then that IMO as DPS will always be a roll people want to play.
Love this idea. Reload buff is perfect bc it literally increases effective "DPS" w/o going overboard like direct dmg buffs.
Seems like they could just make Hanzo chamber his next shot faster so he still benefits - might have to adjust his numbers separately though bc of how different his "reload" is
I disagree with avrl on zarya. Aside from dallas you could argue toronto might b second best with that comp of zarya with reaper (sort of bcuz they have to bcuz of their dps pool. Heesu is only one person and can play either hitscan or sombra, the other dps on the team cant play either really) and they got reverse swept by nyxl once nyxl figured out how to play around it. So it may form into more of a dva meta. But realistically ig it's still relatively open meta depending on team and map etc
RIP DART
RIP NASA DART
of course the shock get striker right after plat chat posts this :)
I think if they really want to keep the DPS passive they should take away the duration reset when getting another elim. I think that would be an okay balance if they dont want to remove it.
Avrl, smurfs are often obvious: several players under level 100 with similar, complementary, or identical names and they dominate the game. They usually have the same icon too.
And now Shock has another one of their Veteran players return with Striker after the episodes was recorded lmao
Congrats to the scientific community :)
I feel like Overwatch has had the most turnover of any esport by a mile. Players come and go and retire so early
RIP NASA space dirt.
If Boston beats Glads next week I demand top 3
Mmm. Lots of ifs. But yeah I think they would go over Houston. Because Houston oddly has a bye week. They don't play at all. Although I do think if Outlaws played them again with just 100% Danteh they would 3-0 i think. Lol
You obviously don't water aquatic plants; you earth them by sprinkling soil on top daily.
its kinda crazy how glads lost ans and patiphan just like that
Avrl based take on DPS passive
rip nasa blunt
Dota has an SMS barrier for ranked
Disagree with Avrl's take on the dragons. Honestly don't think fleta was the issue in either of Shanghai's loses. I think avrl being pro Winston backed him into a corner and he had to pick someone to blame. The winston looked WEAK, especially in a 1:1 comparison with piggy's zarya. Would playing more Sombra have helped? Maybe. But across the board Winston is not looking great right now.
Are they forgetting everyone has a family? Personally I'm done with phones so I'ma have to hit someone else up for authorization
Everyone? :pepelaugh:
NGL if atlanta even is in conversation for top3 is because of some Venom/Hawk heroics !!!
38:25
why does Avast always look so angry?
Man the Platchat crew isn't used to having a real analyst on lmao, well done AVRL
mald
Mald
talking about mantis shrimp without mentioning that they have 16 color receptors (humans have three) smh my head that's the coolest part about them
Plat chat never has faith in London
DPS passive activating on kills not elims would just be clunky and frustrating. If getting it on every elimination is too powerful/oppressive, then it should be tuned elsewhere or changed entirely. Last-hitting is bad enough in league, and heroes of the storm proves that there are better ways to do things. Let's not bring that into overwatch
I have a pre paid phone because contracts are bs and predatory. I'm not signing a contract with a phone company to play a game. It's sad since I've been playing overwatch since day one.
not surprised this didn't get mentioned since they're all guys and haven't experienced it, but being able to report based on audio comms is gonna be a godsend for reporting sexist behavior tbh. so much abusive behavior to female players happens exclusively over audio, since it's often prompted by hearing a teammate's voice and realizing she's a girl, so I'm pretty glad to see the ability to report based on that stuff be implemented
Same. The times I've duo'd with my best friend who is a girl and she's gotten told to " go in the kitchen" or " why are playing DPS? Shouldn't you be mercy?" Or worst "stfu bi**h what do you know? You're a girl". Like stuff like that that we instantly leave audio and report shouldn't happen to anyone. It's weird that a game with a very inclusive cast of characters of all like many sexualities, male/female characters, nationalities would inspire such toxic behavior.
What if the passive instead gave buffed movement speed and attack when you’re low at critical? That way it fixes the damage ‘drawback’ of having low health and self healing, and can help win duels
I was hoping you guys would mention this again (and maybe u will on monday, ill comment the same if u do) but a few episodes ago yall were talking about how once ow2 releases that it'll boost viewership etc. I dont agree with this. The games technically been out since the beginning of this season of owl. We've had 2 betas already. If anything the viewership has dipped or been the same since last seaosn of owl. Plus the biggest draw of ow2 for the casuals/new fans is the PvE... which wont come out until 2023 sometime. Ya the couple new heroes and new maps will b nice, but for the ppl who arent already invested in the game (ie not you or me considering you're a viewer of this podcast) these may not be enough of a difference to retain new fans for the game.
Viewership will probably get a boost, but then quickly go back to normal
Reinforce not being on the far right is rattling me way more than it should
If you want to create a smurf on PS4 you do need an alternative email.
I feel like blizzard at some point should hand over balancing to a third party company or something because time and time again they show that they are so shit at it.
Dinosaurs 😂😂😂 didnt have a space program 🌌🚀🚀🤪
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What happened to the Space allegations?
Man I really hope Bren and Josh come back
I’m not sure if they will tho
They seem busy over on valorant
episodes with avrl are lit tho
I’m pretty sure they lost interest so let’s just leave them to pursue what they want.
@@adventuresightion3917 they haven’t had interest in years clearly, even when they were contracted by OWL they spent more time watching Valorant than remembering OWL match scores lol
@@TaxidermyRatOWL True. Especially Bren. But unfortunate truth is even with no interest, they are 10 times better than current OWL casters. (may be 2X compared to Mr.X, AVRL and Seth.)
What is the comments section opinion on the required sms to create an account? Avrl said it as a joke but people online as well as a few of my friends are angry that they are making ranked, as well as quickplay behind a "paywall" aka people need a phone plan to play the game. This excludes people without enough money to get a phone plan as well as people too young to have a phone. Thoughts and opinions?
Mm idk i think i kinda like it. I believe it's intended to cut down on smurfs. And i hope it does. You could also just use ur home phone if you're too young. Ig if ppl still have those. Or ask to use one of your parents
The best takes are made made by a real analyst...thank you AVRL!!!
it depends on the smurf whether its a problem or not... if they created the account to play another role or practice other heroes and just normally play the game at their skill level its no problem... but there are people that get new accounts just to place them in bronze or gold or whatever to dominate people who are obviously less skilled than them to deal with their own insecurities... those kind of people should be banished from this planet
Just play on your main bro
Avrl, you said in the smurfing discussion that people use smurfing to deal with their own lack of skill. Isn't that why people create smurfs in the first place? They can't win on their main account so they want to go beat up on low rank/level players to feel better about themselves. It's a big turn off to the game when I join the lobby as like a level 50, and I have a bunch of other low level players on my team. Then the enemy team has a level 20 doomfist smurf that just spawncamps us the entire game. I'm sorry Jaws and Avrl but your smurfing arguments are so dumb. Thank you Jonny and Avast for trying to put some reason in because holy
You could just replace Jaws with a potty mouth Blizz PR apologist who somehow spins anything done by Blizzard as the best possible thing to do....
Yeah Jaws is a paid actor 100% by Blizzard
my favourite part of every episode is the start of it where you guys just ramble on about random shit. please make a platchat bullshit podcast where you all just talk about random shit for the whole time
There was one that existed. Legends speak of a podcast starring the global icon GoldenBoy, the Brenji, the Eggman Sideshow and Johnny.
@@phoney4258 what! what is it called
@@madnessman1520 The Four Heads. They haven’t made an episode in a long time but there’s some good videos on there
What us AVAST even talking about?
Taking proper of shock would mean shock wre worse...
That implies to every team if you take their best player away, Glads without kev wouldn't have won any stages and weren't even a top 3 team. Dallas without Hanbin wouldn't have won SS and also wouldn't be a top 3 team.
same goes for Shanghau without Whoru.
AVAST is just hating on shock....
I just want to says the episodes have gotten longer and longer but I don’t feel like there is more added to plat chat wich is weird still like the show tho..just think some topics been dragged out too much.