Ranking the TOP 10 Main Support Players of ALL TIME - Plat Chat Top 10
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Esports podcast specializing in feeding and Overwatch.
Featuring the Overwatch League's Matt "Mr.X" Morello, Joshua "Sideshow" Wilkinson, and Connor "Avast" Prince.
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0:00 - Intro
8:43 - Rank 10
14:02 - Rank 9
17:49 - Rank 8
23:06 - Rank7
28:29 - Rank 6
33:25 - Rank 5
37:27 - Rank 4
42:11 - Rank 3
46:57 - Rank 2
53:51 - Rank 1
1:00:49 - Overall Rankings Discussion - Ігри
Get well soon Mr. Larsson!
what he said
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Play chat is honestly keeping me invested and excited about professional OW. Thanks!
Really tho! The league owes these guys
@@matthewmccloskey515 it really does. these guys strapping the league to their back and doing all the work
And just like that Bren and Sideshow are gone from OWL! What a bad day.
@@nickniehaus1763 omg you're serious. Worst news ever
I think y’all need a list just for Tracer
I also want to see this
yes!!! pls this would be great !1!
I think the way that LJG and Moth play greatly reflect the way their teams played. When Moth was in shock, they would win by taking the advantage, like Moth’s play style which is safe, and takes risks when it would give you an advantage. As for LJG, as Josh said he’ll hunt for those advantages, like Shanghai who would play aggressively and win
true, but LJG has evolved. People act like he's just super over aggressive. That is part of him. But he has learned, on other heroes besides Lucio, to know when to hold back a bit. He's become one of the best Mercy's period, a complete non aggressive character, and has reigned in his Brig, which he did used to go over aggressive on and feed at points some times. So I think he has eclipsed a lot of people because of that.
LJG was the reason the Dragons lost in 2020 imo.. Moth is 100% more consistent and reliable. Sure LGS "cleaned" up his play in 2021, shouldn't put him above moth for how consistent he has been.
@@bvp794 ^ this 100%. LJG used to feed a lot
you guys should rly consider doing these live. I dont even care if there is 3 extra hours of random conversation.
They probably don't so they don't leak any sensitive info lol
The 3 hours of random conversation is actually my favorite part of the podcast
I think the big problem here is logistics. Getting everyone together to record every week seems like its a pretty limited window. They've had to be on a deadline more than once. It'd be fun though!
Bren took travel distance into account
LOL this reminds me of when they did a thing where Bren would describe his pre season rankings and the others would discuss. and he would always bring up travel and if teams had to travel a lot
@@CrazeeAdam That's the exact reference ;D
@@loomisam9913 LOL I wasn't sure. But that was so funny XD Loved it. I actually have that video favorited to rewatch when I'm feeling down or something
"Coaching kinda pog"
I swear the world knows that Plat Chat comes out on Tuesday so they break all the big news then, just to make us wait a week to hear the news discussed.
What happe
@@fleta4112 microsoft bought actiblizz for 70B
@@vanessa211 Ohhhhhh shittttt.
haha
what happened
Never before has the Plat Chat curse of news breaking the day after they record been so very real.
I can’t wait to see names like Profit, Fleta, carpe, Viol2t etc in their respective roles.
Sleeper picks
Ah yes, the 4 greatest Cassidy players
The DPS one gonna be lit lol
And the true GOAT flex support, Alarm
I appreciate Sideshow for putting some damn respect on Anamo, Coma, and Nisha’s names
This was so much fun gonna be a cracking little series seeing were you guys rank other roles, also you guys have to have Reinforce defend that list in a later video cous holy shit haha.
This episode was mad enjoyable, but definitely revealed a significant weakness in main supports as you go down the list that I don't think we will see for flex supports or either DPS roles. The fact at number 10 you are scraping for players that had one decent season and a few average ones says a LOT.
DPS is going to be incredibly difficult to split into hitscan and projectile because the lines are so blurred in modern overwatch, but for flex supports as an example it's so easy to immediately say like: Jjonak, Izayaki, Viol2t, Twilight, Shu, Fielder, Alarm, Ryujehong (I've almost certainly missed a few standouts) as lock ins for the top 10 before you are looking at other AMAZING flex supports.
That being said, if Lastro doesn't make it PURELY based on the impact of "sex big dick" I don't know what to tell you...
I think depends if they split up DPS too, between Hitscan and Flex DPS. I could see them doing that. Also Main Tank may be a little tougher than Off Tank. I think they forgot some great Main Supports like Ark from awhile back, I think he could have been a good shout in the top 15 that not many of these guys put. So they didn't necessarily remember everyone possible. Bren and Matt especially.
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@@CrazeeAdam I rly can't rate Ark that highly, personally. Nearly all his accolades come from piggybacking off jjonaks god like zen, since the name of the game was pocket. Anamo literally took over mercy duties in S1 and actually boasted better stats, mostly deaths, which Ark was obviously famous for never dying.
Love Ark, but the dudes greatest success came from his team imo and I think of 15 other MS before him (including Anamo)
Great episode looking forward to the next 4-5 (you splitting DPS along Hitscan?)>
Know you're looking for content, but these are a perfect capstone for OW1 with 5v5 being the norm with OW2
Yo Kurt with the impressive graphics on this episode. Love it!
6:10 thank you sideshow. i see so many mid players in peoples top 10 lists because of this
Oooh the flex support video is about to be a spicy one. Jehong, Jjonak, Viol2t, Alarm, Shu, etc.. Can't wait.
Love your guys stuff, just wanted to ask for the next top 10 videos could you announce the person when it is revealed? I often just listen to the audio and it was a bit tough to follow along when everyone starts talking without mentioning the name
Me2!! I was thinking the same thing!
This. Number 10 came and i thought the video froze.
Get well soon Mr Larsson! Can't wait to hear your takes for Top 10 Main Tank players with this bunch
inb4 he has Janus at 5th lol
@@shuttlecrossing1433 I wonder if Fragi is in his Top 15 somewhere
Awesome episode! It was very entertaining hearing you guys react to each others ranking! Also sick editing by Kurt + Get well soon Reinforce
The best parts of plat chat is when kurt laughs in the background.
I love this series. So many players have defined an era on a particular role, but LJG is the player that defines the future of his role.
Depends if you rank on greatness or on who is the best. That’s very different. It’s also about what your definition of greatness is.
I like Moth intangibles, understanding of the game, of compositions, of individual players, of how to approach fights. His game sense is truly elite. SF shock used to say their best strategy/plan was “just do what moth says” and it got them 2 fucking champions. He is consistent, dependable, can still make plays but never dies and is always at the right place.
His analyzing/reviewing how he always helps everyone improve. His constant constructive criticism combined with his drive to improve everyone and himself. He glues teams together, gives cohesion, keeps the team focused, determined, he has leadership, amazing shot calling, ult tracking, information gathering and bringing stability to the team like no other. He takes such a heavy load of the shoulders of his team like that, that he elevates them to new heights.
And in terms of greatness, the shock dynasty speaks for itself. And he himself has become a bench mark for all OWL main supporters and proves that being mechanical isn’t enough to compete with him. And just because you play great in game doesn’t mean you are anywhere near the teammate he is.
I like you point out that it depends on what you rank, I agree with that. If you pick them at their peak LJG has a massive shot along with Astro, but if you weigh longevity and achievements moth and tobi. It all depends on what you are looking at and what you weigh heavier. And I think you already mentioned the big names in Moth, Astro, LJG and tobi.and other names lower on the list could be FDGod, Masaa, iDK etc
The issue is I'd be with you if it was only for OWL. But while Moth won hist first Championship, LJG sweeped the field of Contenders together with Heesu, Mag, Gangamjin, QoQ etc.
He won contenders Korea twice AND OWL which is something not many can say.
@@certifiedbttm4003 I don't understand the misconception that ljg doesnt have longevity. Look at his liquipedia. He won kr contenders twice then 4 stage titles and 1 owl title.
His record is better than moths if you weigh stage titles the same as overall titles. Which you shouldn't - I'm just saying it's close.
Both of them came onto the scene winning tournaments in 2019, at least according to their liquipedia, so I don't think its fair to give moth the edge in longevity
classic sideshow quote "as you go down it really does become hard"
That's what He said
I was watching this waiting for tobi because i’ve always loved him as a person and player and always thought he was a great team player and definitely deserves to be as high as he is on the list
Bet they missed the Microsoft news lol
Tehy always miss the big news
They record on Monday so yeah they did lol
They're cursed
Every time
yveltal dodging top 4 by being a diva because 4 is an unlucky number, greatest movement even out of game
Didn't even think of that LOL
Lol
I do love the top 3 main supports where we have a hard veteran, soft veteran and someone cracked af.
absolutely love this sort of content, puts the sports in esports as far as I'm concerned, can't wait for the other role videos
for the next one can you make a little soundclip of the names for audio listeners? much appreciated
Very polished ending
Neptuno wasn't even a part of the charge winning the summer showdown, he was in visa hell and chara was popping off
Nisha absolutely should’ve been higher. Won his first season in contenders back in 2019, had decent placings until getting picked up for OWL. Benched by Yvetal for a bit but when he did play he looked very clean
Are they gonna do this for every role
Get well soon Mr. Larson !
I honestly agree with quite a bit of bren’s criteria, not all of it, but quite a bit
Get well soon mr. larsson!
Anamo being 9 spots below Yveltal is just crazy to me.
Hilarious episode though.
Get well soon Mr. Larson, and congratulations Mr. Egg!
Moth, LJG, Tobi. Those would be the big 3 of the overwatch 1 era, easily for main support.
Some random news that came up besides Microsoft buying Blizzard!
Bischu is the new manager (although his title is longer and maybe is not the true "manager") of Houston. Cool to see him back. Always seemed like a great dude.
Get well soon Mr. Larsson I’d appreciate that
Will there be a video on the recent Microsoft Xbox purchase of Activision Blizzard? I'd love to get all your thoughts on this.
does anyone know the name of the 2017 tobi analytics review that avast was talking about in 52:53 or a link?
Laughing out loud that Winz is in TWO of these lists
your top 4 are the top 4 main supports by placement in the 2020 playoffs
Get well soon Mr. Larsson! Hopefully you’re here next time to defend that list!
Lengsa has definitely played in owl before just not a lot
Greatest of all time:
#1: Avast
#2: Custa
#3 Jake
My top ten is:
1. Avast
2. Avast
3. Avast
4. Avast
5. Avast
6. Avast
7. Avast
8. Avast
9. Avast
10. Avast
Because he spits hot fire
I would personally put moth at number 8 but not a bad list
im the number 1 support player :)
Ok Poko
okay the individual lists were WACKY but the top 10 is probably almost perfect. Anamo should prob be on there, but besides that not bad at all.
Ultimate plat chat curse! Miss out on the Microsoft news by mere hours!
I perfectly guessed the number 10… then I derailed bad
Main tanks next ?
1:07:15, not a plat chat without a bit of geology talk
get well soon Mr. Larsson !
I would have put ArK in the Top 12 at minimum, maybe 10th.
Still waiting for Kurt to host an episode
Definitely not top 10 (probably 11th on my list) but I feel as though Chara is someone that should have been mentioned. I really think he was solid for both of the seasons he played in OWL (2019-2020) and even before with Meta. He was possibly one of the better brig players in 2020 (at least within APAC).
Please get well soon Mr. Larsson!!!!!
Platchat: Moth what an amazing player, he had great positioning
Also Platchat: Let’s show only when he dies
Missin those owl voices🥲
Think the weirdest choice isn't including Winz for legacy, but not including Internethulk for the same reason
BigG00se has to be the most underrated mainsupport in the history of overwatch actually BigG00se and Shaz are rhe most underrated support line.
They were good because of their chemistry/synergy together but I don't think, individually, they would be in the top 10 discussion. Argument to be made for top 15, though. This coming from a ridiculous LAG simp. That said, I really don't think they could have ever been competitive in the current state of the league.
Before watching the vid here's my Top 10 Main Supports: 1 LeeJaeGon, 2 FunnyAstro, 3 Yveltal, 4 Moth, 5 Tobi, 6 Slime, 7 Ark, 8 FDGod, 9 Masaa, 10 Custa
Let's see!
iDk was my shining hope for spark
no shot bren had harryhook
Hearing the whole yveltal being a diva situation brought up again i just can't help but feel a bit uneasy with the way he's being judged for it. Like, to me it really felt like it could have just been a mental health thing. As far as i know, the only source for information on it was the weibo post by rui and yveltal's subsequent apology post. Now i don't speak chinese so i've only read the translations posted by owbeacon, so i'm not sure about the wording and sincerety of the apology but i really get the feeling it might just be a quick write up to cover himself because he knows his coach (and the wider community) won't understand the real reasons behind his actions anyway (potentially anxiety or something).
I do know that mental health issues typically aren't talked about a whole lot in chinese culture, so maybe he just felt like sweeping it under the rug was the best course of action? Like, generally, people don't just wake up one day and decide to be an asshole to their coworkes and team, so there's probably some root cause behind him acting that way.
Now i don't want to speculate on the mental state of others but it bothers me a bit that this is a possibility that just hasn't been talked about at all, and everyone just seemed to accept rui's post at face value, which hurt yveltal's reputation quite a bit.
Sideshow is such an incredible LeeJaeGon simp, actual tier 3 sub
Get well soon Mr. Larson. Exclamation mark.
get well mr. larson
Get well soon Mr. Jonathan "Reinforce" Larsson!
Sideshow and avast singlehandedly stopped the list from becoming absolute pepega lol
My prediction for who will be #1 in the other five positions. Based on nothing more than my completely smooth-brained takes:
1. Flex Support: Alarm (RIP).
2. Main Tank: Fate.
3. Flex Tank: Choi (Reinforce is going to choose Void for #1 because his garbage fire take on Void in the beginning of the 2020 season still follows him to this day.)
4. Flex DPS: Fleta
5. Hitscan DPS: Decay
Also... All six of the Dragons 2021 starters will be up in the Top 5 of their respective positions. If I were to guess... Izayaki at 4, Void at 2, and Lip at 3.
Get well soon Mr Larsson!
get well soon mR Larson!
Get well soon Mr Larsson
Get well mr. Larsen!
Get well soon Mr.Larsson exclamation mark
thank you guys for being right in that number one choice
Next week Ans 4th best dps. He too was good 2 years ago. The only year he did anything.
You cant put slime up that high...it was only one season. Ignore runaway since he is not a lad. And FA nuts, not mad at it, but wow.
I think he did have a good year on Florida (as in his first year there) and in Contenders he was also incredibly great. They were also putting his like year and a half on runaway with what they were ranking him on. Also if they do split it into Hitscan and Flex, you may see Ans on Hitscan somewhere because that year he did have is 100% the best year for any hitscan player ever.
Get well soon Mr Larsson exclamation mark
To think like 3 of these players have jobs this year lmao
Top 10 OWL* Main Supports of all time.
Winz is why I created a Twitter
get well soon mister larson exclamation mark :)
Is this series going to fall apart when they have to choose hitscan and half of them just pick Tracer specialists?
Get well soon Mister Larrson
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all of the jecse highlights are him getting diffed by LJG lmao why did they do him like that
You guys forgot to put Custa at #1
loooooool johnny what u smoking putting neptuno so high!!!!!!
Get well soon Mr Reinforce Larsson
Funnyastro is mechanically great. Possibly top 3. But if we are doing this by achievement, he is probably not top 5. At least, he should be lower than Yveltal, achievement wise.
Get well soon mister larsson exclamation mark
Big changes now
its funny how avast works for mayhem but he seems to think really lowly of every mayhem player
Idk made this list and neptuno didn't I'm upset
TBF Neptuno WAS a top tier main support in season 1. He had some of the highest healing, reses, and the highest final blow count. He was the original battle mercy in OWL and the best at it in S1. But after S1 he wasn't anything remarkable.
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i cant wait for xqc to be on the list for main tank