A couple of things have come up recently in the further expansion of 40K Lore, and both are pretty interesting. Most curious about peoples opinions around Part 2 which I think has potentially big implications - or perhaps not - who knows. I'll also hopefully soon have some showcases of the Indomitus box set both the Necron and Marines are nearing readiness.
@Luetin09 hey man, love your vids man. Is there anything about the new stuff that you don't particular like?(lore wise i mean) Just curious on your thoughs
Strangely enough, a Bard is an arcane caster with healing magic. Wizards have some ways to heal too, such as "false life" adding temporary hit points or at least Polymorph spell restoring HP.
theres actually precedence for the sisters thing. when cawl used the pylon to “disconnect” the warp in cadia, he managed to banish all the demons in the planet. celestine was visibly affected by this which goes to show that they are connected to the warp in some way but she didnt disappear so that implies something else beside the warp is powering the sisters.
Destroying the pylons didn’t wipe out the people showing chaos corruption tho, it just dispersed the demons. I’m sure if Sanguinius had been there, he probably would have been rattled too. It seems like the knowledge the Emperor got from traveling to the warp had something to do with figuring out how to use the warp to shape organic matter, hence the Primarchs.
Luetin: hey there are 2 things that I feel like I need to talk about. *20 minutes later he turns it into a philosophical presentation about the warp and human resilience*
The sweet leaf has been known to cause many a rabbit hole to open, many a tangent is given with religious zeal, only to totally forget whatever esoteric crap had been the topic. It was probably something stupid like "the Thing" ( 1982 version ) vs. the Blob ( any version ) who'd win?. P.S. the Thing hijacks the Blob before the Blob's corrosive touch could do serious damage.
Horus, after slaying the emperor and standing over his near dead corpse: Finally, I have defeated you, Father The Big E: Jokes on you, wolf boy, 2 wound points
Honestly, I still think the part about human faith overcomming the Necron Null Zone is just 1. Ephrael Stern's doing(she overloaded a culexus assassin in the comics); 2. A way too not make the null zone too OP and keep the plot going; 3. Faith is so strong it manifests a connection to the warp anyway. tl/dr It's most likely just cheap writing.
I agree it’s cheap writing, but the point about faith is still contradictory as there is a small excerpt in the 9th edition rule book about admech fighting in the pariah nexus, how if faith alone is enough to ward of the effects of the nexus, then surely the soldiers of the Omnissiah would be immune right? Apparently not. This bothers me both as an admech fan and from a writing perspective. Personally I would have just wrote to have necrons have complete control over that territory, and all the imperium can do is attempt to stop any further expansions. Let the necrons have some wins.
In the indomitus novel the space Marines are effectively immune to the null zone and even partially revitalize the humans in proximity as well. The Marines in question are ultra primaris so that's definitely not a religious faith thing for them. What that means? No clue.
seems like those could be failed primaris who cawl just chucked into the dreadnaught anyways. Primaris is a mess lore wise but they wanted a major refresh and primaris marines lets them fight trademark suits much easier which is important more than ever with china basically ripping everything off (leppin, leggo, loego...)
Dreadnoughts are less surprising than Primaris _Ancients..._ But, Primaris have _existed_ for a long time, they just haven't been deployed... Officially... Until Guilliman's return.
ye i believe the humans are just another old one project with aspects that they used when building both elder and ork but not actually meant as a cannon fodder race to fight the war in heaven so the humans where allowed to slowly evolve into their final form
I would have thought that the firstborns should have had 2 wounds from the start because they're super humans, so it doesn't make sense that they have the same wounds as a guardsman. I think it does also make sense in terms of lore, firstborns are only missing a few organ implants but in terms of surviving battle damage they still have the extra heart and lungs, the clotting etc. I don't think they're as powerful though, in terms of strength and speed the Primaris are probably still on top. Maybe they'll come up with a lore explanation that goes along the lines of Primaris are harder to make or they burn out a lot of aspirants during the process, so they have to test the aspirants further and see if they can do it. So, some become normal marines, some become the more powerful Primaris.
Yeah this is truly a good point, I think when Primaris first came in this was something I discussed, it makes much more sense now in some respects, but its not perfect, I think Primaris for example could have an extra toughness point
@@Jbay2608 The Hellblasters data sheet has already been leaked (look up Auspex Tactics here on YT), they just have 1 more attack now. I don't care that they're not much better, I just hope Primaris become a point or two cheaper and old marines a little bit more expensive.
@@Luetin09 the d6 system limits the stat lines you can make t5 is amazingly good for example wheras t2 is a joke the biggest issue is the limitation of a d6 system
@@Luetin09 Primaris have Gravis armor for T5, and one more attack than a tactical marine for just a few extra points (with the leaks taken into account). Primaris are still superior.
If I'm not wrong, Orks view red as fast, blue as lucky, purple as stealthy, yellow makes things explode larger, black makes things more durable, white as death, and green as simply DA BEEST.
@@Bruh-hq1hx Probably both. I don't really know, but I do know that the collective beliefs of the Orks can work against them as well. Obviously if an enemy is red for example, they would go faster. I remember someone talking about a Commissar who put a Warboss arm on his own, then the Orks believed he was invincible, so he was.
To the second point: Maybe being disconnected to warp, the emotion that usually feeds the warp cannot, so the sisters accidentally tapped into the localised "bubble" of trapped warp energy created by the guardsmen
This is what I was thinking as well. Kinda of like losing the internet, but still being able to connect to a localized network. Feeding off of one anothers psychic energy to continue the fight.
Tabletop wise the big problem is toughness values. Giving units more lives is more damaging then making them harder to kill. I'm a death guard player and T5 is big boon. But the fact that regular space marines are S+T 4 mean that '4s' aren't good enough. Because standard weapons (bolters/shuriken/gauss etc) don't do more than 1 wound. This also stems from buy rate from races such as drukhari and imp guard. Ultimately, it's not worth buying/playing S/T 3 races when the game is now geared towards more elite games ie: quality over quantity. It's a shame. I'm not claiming there's an obvious solution, just that go figure the super soldier main characters have the edge.
The thing that broke WH40k immersion for me was watching a battle report where a unit of genestealers popped behind the squad of marines and wiped them out with stabbers in a single turn... With stabbers... Firearms that is...
The second one: Bad writing, they needed a mcguffin to counter the stilling and this was the first thing they could think of (because Null fields are impossible to write around, where every other race in the universe relies on the warp to do anything and its the only advantage anyone has over Necrons specifically).
There might also be some attempt to make female characters important because of the current climate. A game with microscopic female fanbase needed to cater to an mob that was only recently made aware of it
We have spent so long thinking of every strange effect in terms of psychic power that we have forgotten that the 40k universe is not so restricted. They have been hinting at this for a long time. Let's go back to the refresh of the Dark Eldar after years of neglect. GW made it clear that the Drukhari wielded powers impossible to explain, yet utterly absent of psychic sources. The old Asimov quote about advanced things you don't understand being comparable to magic was leaned on heavily. Next, the Crypteks of the Necrons and the C'Tan Star "Gods" were addressed in a similar way. It was clear that the warp was not involved, yet impossible, reality bending effects were summoned forth. And, now we have the Eclesiarchy... changing reality with faith while simultaneously eschewing the warp and all witches. It's not the first time world warping power has been outside the grasp of the psychic realm; It's just the first time they have been so "in your face" about it.
I think the issue comes from stuff like on cadia where celestine is nearly banished by the pylons, implying that she is indeed connected to the warp in some way. (They could always just retcon this and say oh celestine is special and shes connected in some way the sisters arent but it would just seem... strange? Given how similar everything they do is.)
The 'faithful' in Fantasy battle don't use winds of magic, so its been going on for a while. Faith is like producing your own internal energy rather than recycling someone else's energy. I do really like this discussion, and I didn't know humans were so reliant on the warp. We are addicts to our own chaos.
The 2-wound change to Marines needed to happen AGES ago. It finally makes sense with the lore, not only are the now difficult to wound in the first place, but now it reflects the lore where they can take a grievous wound and keep on fighting at more or less full efficiency.
The Chaos Gods call the Emperor "The Anathema" - which means he's an anti-God of sorts, or more properly, a God that could be created and exist in the material world rather than only in the Immaterium like themselves. I think perhaps he wasn't this thing back in 30k, but there have now been 10,000 years of Faith to make him what he is becoming*, and back then the Ruinous Powers knew what he could be one day. Btw, there's a kind of precedent for this in 40k lore (though not exactly the same) - the Orks and their certainty making things real in the material world. * My theory is that this is the Emperor's Plan B and that he had a psychically influencing hand in establishing the Ecclesiarchy for this purpose. Plan A failed, Plan B: make a new God, a God of Mankind.
Perhaps the Emperor is a God, maybe the reason he wants mankind to not perceive him as a God is so that their emotions and psychic abilities are empowering humanity itself as it grows rather than their Emperor. Perhaps the reason he kept the Warp a secret is so that Humanity's power won't be transferred to the Chaos Gods
'We fucked up with that part of the Sororitas not being affected by the Pylons, let's just hope the fandom explains it for us and say we came up with it first'
Although I'm rather "new" to the 40k lore universe, my first reaction to this data was the creation/appropriation of the webway on Terra by the Emperor. By all means that should allow for the creation of an alternative psychic zone, field, source, call it what you will with the Emperor holding the door or actually acting like some sort of filter, at least in the beginning. That new space, if it could be filled with some sort of starter energy, probably even "treated" so as not to be as reactive as the warp itself, or even being actively filtered/purged by the Emperor, the golden throne device or any other safeguard, would provide a reservoir to which humanity could be slowly, but surely linked up, probably on birth or maybe through indoctrination and manipulation. It would provide a safe conduit for power, while also having the benefits of disconnection with the warp. By its own nature, inherited from the original webway, it should somewhat easier to circumvent these "null zones" created by the pillars, although I am assuming the the connection between said human and this new zone work similarly to webway portals. Not implying that this is some kind of grand plan by the Emperor tho, as I see it as more of making the best out of a bad situation, although his initial plan might've been to separate humanity from the warp. Don't really know how well all of that speculation lines up with the lore, as I said, rather "new" to 40k, but it was the first thing that crossed my mind.
You're overcomplicating the wound situation. Ask yourself; Is a Space Marine closer to a Guardsman, or a Primaris Marine? On a scale from 1 (Guardsman) to 10 (Primaris) I'd argue it's around the 8,5 mark and it's certainly beyond 5, so obviously it makes sense for them to have similar health/toughness. Even if they hype up the shiny boys, they're not a league better than their older brethren. Mechanically 40k is too dakkadakka so they're likely increasing wounds and toughness on some things to flatten it out a bit. Also Mini Marines will undoubtedly go up to almost match their NuMarine counterparts. Here are two very easy explanations for the Sisters Mary-Sue'ing their way through a nullifier bubble: 1. Some humans are or can become psychic batteries that store warp energy, rather than being conduits or lenses that the warp can travel through. Maybe Sisters learn to siphon a little every day, to release it in moments of vulnerability or great stress. In other words they don't reach outside the null bubble, they just draw from their own stored energy, but can only do it by going through something traumatic or via rituals. It's a hell of a lot more reasonable than "LOL GOD AND MAGIC EXISTS NOW CHECKMATE ATHEISTS". 2. eVeRyThiNG iS cAnOn, nOt EvErYtHinG iS tRue. GW's magical words to make up shit on the fly to tell an interesting story. Ephreal Stern turned on her vox-caster, plus a couple of high tech lamps on her shoulders and then declared they weren't beaten. Guardsmen saw it as angelic wings and felt inspired. So they passed on the story. It's not a perfect explanation, what with the Necron's side of things, but it's GW so it doesn't have to be. "I swear on me mum, it's true!" Having faith doesn't mean you don't question it. For some it's 'the truth' and for others it's a tool to deal with the things that happen in life, but the sort of faith you're describing is along the lines of a Grey Knight who believes in absolute resolution against Chaos, because they have the overwhelming confidence and hardcore indoctrination to not just believe it, but LIVE it. I have a friend who works to pay for his self discovery journeys, where he meets shamans and holy men in all sorts of places, sometimes near cities, other times in the far end of nowhere, on the borders of Nepal and Tibet. He absolutely insists there is a transferrable energy between people, that some of these men can not only read yours, but transfer to or from you. He claims to have witnessed 'spirits', ala warp demons, possess people and to have blacked out himself in one such event but waking up sore from having danced all night without knowing it. There are wilder stories than that, that go way beyond what I'm willing to write, but the idea of for example 'youthful energy' is an old one, most famously from the Bloody Baroness (Elizabeth Bathory) who bathed in the blood of beautiful women, to some of the crazier *rumours/conspiracies* about Hollywood having secret rituals with children. He's not the sort of person to lie, he doesn't share this information to gloat, brag or be interesting, he does it with some because he feels they deserve to know that there's more to life. I believe that he believes it, I believe that people can take drugs and go nuts at a party, imagining that they're possessed and have wild experiences that don't make easy sense, but I don't believe it's magical, only that they enhance the situation with belief. It's a sort of faith though and an interesting glimpse into how powerful emotions can be.
Btw, I also went through some crazy ridiculous stuff with a healer that proved to me 100% there are all powerful extra dimensional benevolent beings out there. I can share the story if anyone wants. In any case, warp is real and it can be explained through extra dimensions!
Magic and the divine is merely the parts of the universe our technology has not yet managed to understand. It's funny how hardcore scientifically minded people are totally onboard with the theories about multiple dimensions, 11-dimensional string theory, parallel realities and the multiverse, but if someone says there might be spirit beings in another realm, they consider that preposterous. Not realizing its the exact same kind of idea.. What we consider paranormal is merely that which we havent figured out yet. There is NOTHING paranormal in the universe, because if it exists, it is natural and normal. The universe doesnt need us to understand or even be aware of it. I believe your friend had genuine experiences, there are far too many accounts of things like this to discount. Its not about religion, its about spirituality. And spirituality is NOT anti-science, it is merely the science we havent figured out and understood yet. I'm glad 40k is tipping its toes into this new frontier. Because mark my words, we're all gonna have to come to terms with some of these things sooner or later, no matter how hardcore "atheist" you may be. On a side-note, i consider atheists to be just as foolish as fundamentally nutty religious cults. Because just as you as a single human being of flesh and blood on this tiny planet in this huge cosmos cannot possibly know the truth about realms so far beyond our scale to say conclusively "a god does not exist", one also cannot definitively state "a god does exist and he takes on these rules for humanity". It's like asking a Dolphin if The ISS exists. It has no concept to even contemplate that question, nor what the answer would mean.
@@Baleur Well stated, it's weird how people discard spiritual things yet believe in alternate dimensions and the multiversal theories of time, space, and beyond.
Glad they are tough now, I’ll just say this though, don’t like none character (even if they are in terminator armor) having the same wounds as custodies, just doesn’t feel right.
St. Celestine lost her powers on Cadia when the warp was temporarily cut off, indicating that her powers were from the warp, at least at that time. Yet, she still kept fighting Abaddon without missing a beat. It's possible that the saturation of warp energy throughout the galaxy after the opening of the Great Rift has greatly lessened the power of null fields overall, but that also there could indeed be another that the sisters can connect to a power that is beyond the warp. An analogy from real-world religions is when Moses' staff serpent devoured the staff serpents of the pharaoh's sorcerers.
The faith thing made sense for me. The Sororitas are still tapping into the Warp, and are overloading the null zone with their psychic warp faith. They are tapping into the psychic might of the unborn warp entity that is currently being formed from the worship of the Emperor. The number of humans worshipping thr Emperor far outpaces even the worshippers of the most popular chaos god, thus it is probably an order of magnitude stronger than the normal level of what the Necrons can nullify, or expect to nullify. It is also why Blanks don't seem to have an effect on them. They aren't psykers, per say, but more akin to a chaos cultist performing a ritual of possession.
Interesting, perhaps their daily rites of faith and chanted hymns sorta inoculate them on a daily base and build up a foundation of faith in Him, so pure and true, they somehow channel Him on Terra into their very souls, so the essence and purity of the master of mankind is kinda infusing those that give themselves to him in spirit? This is 5he power of the emperor.. the emperor manifest himself in those that believe and practice faithfully the rites. Btw, he is a god of the materium, a titan of order. Hail the Emperor of mankind.
I have a couple of theories regarding the Sisters and their capabilities, especially within the Pariah Nexus, but they may be a bit out there: 1) If Faith is a deep wellspring of emotions contained within the mind and soul of a person, perhaps they needn't look to the Warp for psychic phenomena. If Psykers draw power from the Warp, which as we know is just a soup of emotions, then why can't psychic races draw from their own powerful emotions, like Faith? If this energy has nowhere to go, or alternatively is hepd firmly by the soul, why couldn't a psychic race draw upon it, almost like a battery of warp energy contained within themselves? Ergo, Sisters do draw upon the same type of energy as the Warp through their Faith, they just pull it from inside themselves, not from another realm. 2) This one is a bit more crazy, but perhaps Faith in the Emperor is what is killing him. We know that all forms of emotion and belief flow in the endless channels of the Warp- hence how the Chaos Gods grew from emotions, and how other Gods came into being also, like Malice or Yncarnne. So, maybe human Faith in the Emperor is creating a new kind of energy or sentience in the Warp. The Imperium has gone sort of overboard in the enforcement of the Imperila Cult as of late, and in such dark times faith is a bedrock on which people can hope to build a sanctuary from the terrors that lurk in the void and beyond. Such heightened emotions may be enough to spawn a creature in the Warp, or enhance the presence of one already there- the Emperor's. Regardless of whether he was initially a god, perhaps the collective belief that he IS a god is latching on to the fragments of his soul in the Warp, drawing it from his mortal body. We know the Emperor is dying, the Golden Throne failing for unknown reasons- perhaps the increased focus on Faith is why. As Faith flows into the warp, it latches onto the entity its associated with, as happens with worship of the Chaos Gods. Yet, this soul is trapped in undeath, and only by killing the emperor, and reuniting his complete soul with the bolstering power of human faith, can he truly be reborn and aid humanity again. Or, perhaps Faith is it's own entity separate from the Emperor, hence the random acts of benevolence and malice it inflicts, like saving guardsmen before burning their ranks alive as shown in a story from the 9th Ed. Core Rulebook. Who knows. Certainly not me.
I think you should mention the back and forth on the “purity” of the gene-seed of the Primaris. It is a big deal for both lore and table top. As a Blood Angels player, the idea that Primaris are just accepted as being superior was utter bullshit. Death Company and the Sanguinary Guard are clearly superior to the basic Primaris Marine. If we are to believe that the gene-seed is more “flawless,” then there would be no Primaris Death Company and no Primaris Sanguinary Guard. The same applies to the Space Wolves and the Diggerknobs (I mean Wulfen) effected. Seth Gabriel said it best, the Red Thirst isn’t a curse; it is a gift from their Primarch. That constant struggle to stay loyal and not fall to Chaos, not give into the Red Thirst, is part of what make a Blood Angel Space Marine. Otherwise, they might as well be Ultramarines in Blood Angel Armour.
i actually liked the tidbit they wrote about "yeah most chapters reeally didnt trust the primaris right away, and saw them as naive noobs." and how for the most part they were right. The primaris died in numbers that would make guardsmen blush, and while initially were thought to be a cure to the red thirst, turns out they too are just as vulnerable to it and the black rage (proving cawl wrong)
busterbackster1 That is the point. They had to go back on that piece of lore. Originally, it would have been statically improbable to have Wulfen Primaris. It would seem like they realized they wrote themselves into a corner, and now they are trying to correct that. So Cawl isn’t as smart as everyone gives him credit. I consider it heresy that he would even attempt to modify Primarch gene-seed, perfected by the Emperor himself, and call chapter traits gene-seed “flaws.” From the lore, are we going to see Primaris Wulfen models on table top? Primaris Death Company? They would have to make a decision on the lore, but there is just back and forth right now.
Niall Duffield From the table top (not lore), I saw a kit bash of complete Deathwatch Primaris Army. I thought it was funny. My comment was, “Chapter Master! These new Primaris Marines have never even seen the xenos, let alone know how to fight them. They don’t know how our tactics, how to work with the Firstborn, and there is a conflict with authority among the Officer corps. What shall we do. *Chapter Master Smirks wickedly* “Send them to Deathwatch.” It would be the fastest way for the Primaris to gain experience and earn respect amongst the Firstborn. Being Faster, Stronger, and Bigger isn’t going to replace 300 years of tested combat experience.
One thing I should point out as I base my opinion about the Null Field and how the Bolter Nuns were unaffected by it: We have seen Nulls being overwhelmed by psychic power before with the shattering of Khaine's Gate. The Gate was surrounded by captured Nulls in an effort by Vect to keep it closed. But as the 13th Black Crusade rolled around and Khaine's Gate started to crack, there were specific mentions of these captured Nulls starting to scream in their cages after many years of the Kabalite guards having periodically been driven mad by their proximity to the Gate and knowledge about the Gate's instability being suppressed by Vect, Luetin also specifically mentioned this event. The Nulls, who are anathema to daemons and the Warp, began to scream in madness. Not even they are 100% immune to it's effects. The limit might be insurmountably high, but it clearly exists. It is therefore, at least in my mind, reasonable to assume such a limit also exists for blackstone. Therefore my reasoning about the Sisters of Battle using their faith-driven powers is thus: They simply overwhelmed the field with their faith. As corny as it sounds, the Warp is a dimension where the impossible becomes possible and the concept of warp-derived powers overwhelming technology, even as powerful as that of Necrons, doesn't sound like something to be discarded out of hand. Especially when combined with the religious dogma the Sisters of Battle exhibit, it wouldn't surprise me if they believed to their core that any technology that the xenos wield wouldn't prevent their devotion in the Emperor from protecting them and bringing death to the Necrons. EDIT: And yep, this was also brought up by Luetin. Oh well.
they mindwiped them after every mission, told them it was the first mission each time. Eventually some primaris figured out what was happening, and they were accepted after that. Not accepting your new marines until they have proved that they are intensely paranoid and cunning is very Dark Angels.
See the problem is, is they shittily wrote in that the Inquisition told them they had to, imo the emperor's fists would never accept the primaris, I mean the fists literally committed suicide when the codex was written, why in the fuck would they just accept the new primaris?
Lone survivalist314 I just dislike the whole Primaris situation, it just feels extraneous. Call me a stick in the mud, but they could have moved the story forward without the Primaris marines.
My thought about the 2nd thing: Maybe it's like the dwarves from fantasy? Dwarves believe that they can't do magic, and that their runes aren't magic. This, by the nature of the warp/chaos, makes their runes become a unique subset of magic, that functions signifcantly differently than regular magic. Maybe the imperium insisting that their faith is drawn from BIG E, and not the warp, have caused that to actually become the case. Essentially, they've made their magic not count as magic, just like the dwarves did.
To elaborate on the idea, what if the Emperor was a focuser and purifier. That the psychers that he is fed on a daily basis that their energies are taken and some how changed and that energy is somehow actually transfered to those with "faith".
@@memnarch129 or maybe their power of faith is the emperor or rather the warp manifestation of the god emperor usese all these hundreds of sisters as a focus to manifest his power, since even with the sisters of silence around and even magnus could still use his powers. so what if their powers worked due to their numbers (as in many sisters of battle in one place) used as beacon for the god emperor that simply overloaded the capacity of the pylons. maybe just like on cadia the necrons just needed to fully activate and amplify the pylons in order to surpress this new warp spike
In concept，faith is just an action driven by emotion and personal believes。It has no power，not warp related。 And，so far，until now，IF this action do cause any exact phenomenon，the only known plausible explanation IS THE WARP。 So，this seemly “miracle cause by pure faith and THE EMPEROR`s protect” phenomenon should be warp related。
And Luetin`s most confuse part is：Wait，what？Did you just means，now，by faith， mankind can conduct some unexplainable，mysterious，divine and holy supernatural power，cause typical warp like phenomenon，do absolutely warp shxt，even share this buff with other companions who can`t do the same。 And，a ginormous BUT，it`s not warp related，because it can ignore the anti-psychic null field of the black stones。Which LITERALLY NULLIFIED ANY WARP RELATED BULLSHXT。 So……what the shxt is that exactly？
Hi! I'm quite sad to hear that people didn't like your Dark origins series, I personally, as a religious person, really enjoyed it, especially the metaphore with the islands and the sea, when the music kicked in... (looking forward to part 3) I think I've never left a single comment here before, but I watched all your Warhammer 40k related vids and really enjoyed them. Keep up the work, man, your creating some great content! (also, weapons part 2 when? :)
On The Faith topic: “Loyalty is its own reward” Lion El’Johnson Hey Luetin! I think that Faith is is far and away the most powerful “Fuel” for Warp based abilities, but the hardest to obtain. My reason being this: The quote above by The Lion is a perfect example of what I believe Faith is in 40k. How many Chaos Worshippers can you think of are truly Faithful to their Gods, So much so that they expect nothing in return for their worship and sacrifice? For the most part Chaos Worshippers expect something in return for the actions they take. Be it power or an escape from the torment their God will bestow if the tithe isn’t kept. The Chaos Gods are fueled by and empower The Mind and Body, Emotions and Flesh. But what of The Soul? I believe that Faith is a extension of The Soul. The Warp is something much more then a psychic maelstrom, it’s so much deeper. But Chaos feeds on the most abundant source which is extreme thoughts and emotions. And their worshippers keep crawling back like a drug addict who will do anything for their Fix. But what of the trillions of Emperium Citizens who work and die all while knowing they will never stand higher then they are now. Yet many give thanks and ask for the strength to SERVE but one more day. Few fall and become faithless chaos addicts. But The Many stand faithful. And that’s why The Sororitas can so often tap into the power of Faith. They march forward, fight, and die deaths thousands of times worse then an average citizen of The Imperium in the name of The Emperor. Do they expect anything in return? They do not ask for martial prowess, exquisite sensation, an escape from pain, or limitless knowledge? No, they do it because they believe. They do it because Faith is its own Reward. I could go on for longer about why Chais Worship isn’t faith and would falter against black stone tech as opposed to what The Imperium has rockin up. But this is already a really long comment. This is my take on The Power of Faith in 40k and its superiority and rarity in comparison to Standard Warp based powers. If you or anyone ever reads this comment it’d be nice to know what y’all think about this interpretation.
I think that humanity’s faith operates in a similar capacity to ork waaagh energy. With enough of it, it bends reality even without the warp (like orks do).
To be honest tho on the citizens part; they don't have a choice on the matter other than to serves and die, their loyalty is nowhere near selfless as you mention it to be, which is why a good chunk of the Inquisition and Ecclesiarky are so strict towards even the smallest ideas of 'change' as it's; in many worlds within the Imperium people don't need much convincing to to rebel especially when they believe they can get away with it...
I like the theory - a guy above, @SeanEvans I think is his name? Had a pic of a pit bull for his photo like 3 comments up at the time of writing thought that perhaps the emperor destroyed the warp rather than created it with his emotions - since he can permenantly kill daemons. So faith is sort of like the opposite in that it destroys the warp. I think it might go with this. Like this seems to make sense - it is not out of a selfish motivation but out of true faith (only obtained by focusing alone on the emperor rather than on their own self). Pretty cool!
Concerning the 2nd point: perhaps the conceptualization as "the warp" being that parallel dimension as the "realm of Chaos" is not sound. Perhaps the realm of Chaos is just 1 manifestation of that parallel dimension, with others manifestations that draw from the same source, such as the Orks' Waaagh energy. As such, imperial faith could be another manifestation. That would also explain - imho much more convincingly - why there are no good/positive/differently aligned warp entities. Not because they are a ridiculous minority, but because they do not manifest in the realm of Chaos by definition. Perhaps that is why the Chaos gods insist on the emperor (as one powerful manifestation of humanity's collective psychic might) as being the anathema. Humanity, by its very (numerous) existence might eventually draw energy from the source away from the Chaos realm to humanity's manifestation of that power, thereby, as daemons regularly state, eroding the living "space" of the daemons. That the source (warp, kinda) is not inherently chaos-tainted/dominated could be supported by the fact that cutting humans off from the warp should actually also have some positive effects if it was only the realm of Chaos. But the result is pain and despair, with nothing positive whatsoever. I also like this (very basic) idea because it would mean that the Chaos gods have managed to pull off the greatest lie in the history of the 40k universe: that Chaos is the warp. It's like a faction holding a near monopoly trying to blind everyone else to the fact that their monopoly is actually not a matter of course and the natural order of things, thereby eroding concerted efforts to change that status quo.(A passable analogy would be Conquistadors using their "power of lightning" - firearms - against some American natives and painstakingly avoiding to tell them that they, the natives, could use the same power.) And that would be so very much like the Chaos gods imho. Hence, the Necron pylons, not attuned to this new manifestation of the source, would be ineffectual. Concerning point 1: I am as flabbergasted as you. Perhaps they will just let the firstborn run their course, and stop supporting them by 10th edition, not giving them new rules etc and moving them to the legends sections, at which point the majority of people will stop using them. One reason might be that GW is so confident in their new minis - justifiably so I think - that people will want to buy new stuff, not just because it is made overpowered. They will certainly be able to do A LOT for other factions concerning new minis, thus broadening the player-base that has traditionally been 50+% Space Marine players. As an addendum: In Aos, there is no real "human" faction. The Stormcast are slowly being reduced in popularity as more factions with new minis are being introduced. And the majority of humans is not so much human as we define it in the real world, but "slaves to darkness". Thus GW sees that you don't need humans, that we perceive as the good guys because we identify with them, which, tbh, is not a bad idea. And the Imperium, especially with the return of Guilliman, is "the good guys" for most people. And as soon as you have "good guys", playing "bad guys" in the f***ed up way they are in 40k, (see dark eldar, damonculaba, etc.) can feel weird.
I’ve always felt that people simplifying the realms of chaos being the entire warp just seemed a blanket statement. Because They still mention enslavers that are their own warp based entity, and how would you have furies that don’t belong to any entity but can be used by any entity exist, if it was so saturated with these four major manifestations/entities/concepts. Don’t see how it would be possible that anyone in real space outside of the most powerful individuals could use the warp if they literally had to rip apart a demon just to cast a smite or read someone else’s mind. I always figured they operated in a way that wasn’t so much physical Real estate, as much as seeping and overlapping realities, and poking out with tendrils of feeling, looking for any kind of crack they can explore and rip open, thus a weak psyker VS a strong psyker being able to perform better and less risky, partly cause being a powerful psyker is not being distracted or compromised, you could be technically powerful, but if your all over the place mentally and emotionally, you’d be easy pickings for warp Parasites.
Well fucking said. A less elaborate analogy, if perhaps more succinct: from an RP stance it has always felt, to me, like the F/M/K version of choosing a Hogwart's house in the real and honest sense (as opposed to running with a Cosmo quiz that you take as sufficient.) There are no right answers here, which makes it more challenging. The Tau seem like the obvious answer, but not only is that a total copout, once you know more about their history they beome quite suspect, and they too embody at least one, if not several, of the concepts the rest of the factions inspire me to want to avoid when choosing a side: namely, merciless advocation for wholescale slaughter, a fanatic dedication to racial superiority, demand for the unthinking fealty of the individual, and/or open dedication to outright fascism. I choose Slaanesh. Certainly the Perfect Prince represents a harbinger of abject misery as much as the next choice, but She takes all comers, She demands no fealty and asks that you serve only yourself, and those admitted to Her realm come away with, at least, the illusion of paradise as their subjective reality even though the objective reality of the observer may differ. EDIT: Should the forces of the Star Child ever recieve full confirmation, I'll obviously switch as quick as anyone would, but until then we are all presented with a dark and difficult choice.
The white dwarf article on the pariah nexus states that the sisters were effected but they (and the black templars) were more able to resist the effects than anyone else
We still can't rule out either bad writing (on cadia or in the psychic awakening), or that "faith" is the next part of GWs narrative in 40k, which wasn't communicated correctly. The fall of cadia was a few years ago, who knows what decisions GW has made since then... Even the update for vanilla marines could just be a newer business-decision from all the anti-primaris backlash, changes of mind, or a new direction for the story to go
@@RaNdomStuffINC9 i sincerely hope it's more than just bad writing, maybe faith is an aspect of the warp than has only only now began to be utilized or something else entirely, i guess we can only.... have faith(sorry) GW won't mess this up.
@@theodorepetridis3977 I mean, "bad writing" could also mean: "the writer of the fall of cadia was not informed that faith is becoming something disconnected from the warp" which is more what I'm hoping with it going somewhere like the emps didn't want to be "worshipped like a god", because he needed unshakeable faith in something more than a mere "god" - as he'll surpass the meaning of a "god" in the 40k universe whatever GW comes up with, may they be blessed by the holy god-emperor of mankind
It NEVER made sense to me that a Space Marine had the same number of wounds as a guardsman, I honestly think they should’ve had two wounds all along and in turn Primaris should have more wounds than OG Marines as originally intended
I feel like the firstborn stat change could represent the fact that as regular Space Marines are slowly faded out only the most venerable and skilled continue to serve alongside the Primaris Marines, partly out of augmentation, partly out of time wearing away the weak and partly due to just prideful necessity to match up to their much newer brothers.
Or the whole primaris thing was some bullshit they made up because they were afraid that if they said we are moving to true scale marines people wouldn't buy old kits.
More like marines shoud have had those stats from the very beggining. The difference between a primaris and a firstborn marine is NOT bigger than between a firstborn marine and a guardsman.
Hot take, faith in the battle sisters seems to work a lot like the waarrghh in orks. There are a few things that shut you off from the warp, like the tyranids shadow in the warp, but they, as far as i know, don't stop ork tech from working. That's still a psychic power though. Maybe these null fields act more like a filter on the warp than blacking it out completely, and if you have enough people amplifying a signal it can still break through?
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One personal theory, coming from a guy that mostly read Horus Heresy stuff, and whose main source of 40k lore come from Bruva Alfabusa. If I remember correctly, null fields are not infaillible, even though they are enough to shut down most psykers, demons, and warp users in general. But with beings of great psychic potential, such as Malcador the Sigillite or Big E himself, several nulls were required to shut down their powers. And it is inferred that the SoB's faith is believed to come from the Emperor. What if the fragments of the Emperor's psyche, drifting across the Universe, latched onto beings with a high dosage of faith in Him, like the SoB? It might be fragmented, but there's a chance that even a fraction of the being who can power the Astronomican while half-dead would be able to overpower the necrons' null field. How does that hold up? I'm missing a lot of knowledge, so any feedback or reference would be appreciated.
sounds pretty accurate as there is precedent in lore of deamon hosts or deamons spending a lot of time around nulls eventually removing that skill from them nulls are just another psychic power, and just like there are different strengths of psychers there are different strengths of nulls from nulls that are just kindof annoying but good enough to keep you safe from getting mindread up to nulls so powerful that if they stepped onto a craftworld all the power would go out and every eldar would have a stroke with blood coming out of every hole it is definitely possible to overwhelm a null even if its one of the most uncomfortable things a psycher could do, and psychers do a lot of very uncomfortable things
@James Gastovski the emperor is an amalgamation of a lot of stoneage tribals committing suicide together the emperor is and has always been fragmented his death broke the incredible will that made him possible of being a single person in the first place even in the short moments the emperor is not driven insane by pain he is never complete
James Gastovski For the « remaining alive » part, I could say that most of it comes from the sacrifice of a thousand psykers each day, the same way people in deep coma can be kept « alive » with artificial means, even though their consciousness has long since gone away. As per « powering the astronomicon », I could infer that the Golden Throne is tapping into the power that the half-dead Emperor still produces, especially considering the aforementioned sacrifice. Although I’m not specifically big on the « tribal suicide pact » theory (it was never officially confirmed, if I’m not mistaken), when we consider that Big E lived most of history and was able to recall most of it at his peak, I could go on a stretch and say that just a tiny fraction of the Emperor’s knowledge and psychic power could be able to make decisions, hold conversations, and even perform short-term miracles. And once again, I’m only a neophyte in all of this. If there is something in the books or manuals that directly contradicts what I’m saying, I will be the first to admit defeat.
I subscribe to this as well. There seems to be soo much lore and headcannon that even writers are running afoul of it more and more often. I believe Luthine once said a lore bible was horrifyingly needed for 40k so that writers had something to hold their works up against.
I truely enjoy how you mesh the terms from the game into your videos. Example: "But killing Xenos doesn't need fancy bells and whistles, it just needs the Emperors Holy Bolter!"
There's other possibilities you kinda touched on but also some you may not have thought of. 1. The faith is actually acting as a conduit for psychic energy, bypassing the blockage of the warp by the null field. (Think of it like a siege, but the people in the castle trained birds to bring them food, so it's bypassing the siege) 2. The null field blocks psychic power under x level, but because of the sisters level of power, they are over that and unaffected. This could be tested if an ultra powerful psycher was in one of these null fields 3. The sisters faith acts like its own internal warp, converting their emotions into raw power. 4. The sisters faith acts as a 'battery' that allows them to store warp energy for later use.
Probably a plot hole when it comes to the sisters. Celestine more or less showed she was warp powered. It wouldn't be the first time after all. *MATT WARD GREY KNIGHTS*
For part 1: I’m interested to see how the creation of more and more marines will simply change how marines are valued by the imperium. I want to see how the intrigue surrounding Guilliman caused conflict with his own “legions.” With part 2 I think the emperors key plans about the evolution of humans into immortal psychic beings is taking place. The more warp tears and more psychic power spilling out over 10,000 years is seemingly coming to fruition. I think that the emperors sacrifice was the final spark and that the gruelling conditions have been the continued fire. I think that humanity is now evolving to the point that the emperor is not helping. However the society made after the horus heresy is denying this. I think the coming of the necrons will be the showing of humanities true Strength.
It was definitely a U-turn decision for GW. My brother almost quit playing 40K when he heard that first borns were slowly getting phased out. It definitely seemed like a money grab but after the whole "WARHAMMER IS FOR EVERYONE BUT... " they had alot of unhappy customers. This might be them showing us that they will listen if enough people yank their chain.
I don't play the tabletop game but I got into the lore around 5 years ago. Now , many many books later , even a relative newcomer such as I was surprised at the changes GW came up with lore wise. It's not that change is bad or good , it depends on how it's implemented. In my opinion , GW is using a hammer ( pun intended) instead of a chisel to sculpt and give shape to the lore. It's natural that it will raise more than one eyebrow.
I wouldn't get too excited. They will likely still phase them out. The new god-awful looking grav "predators" seem to be a one to one replacement, signaling that this is happening. We can probably still play with all of them as legends for a decade or so.
Maybe the +1 wound to firstborn is representing "false primaris", the equivalent of Luthor and the other Primarch adopted fathers who got the implants, but since they were already adult, they didn't get as much of a growth boost. In this vein, they have the coils and the Caul 1-up [hence the +1W] but didn't grow the extra 6" and thus can still fit in mk
I don't even play 40k but from listening to all these lore videos im very educated now lol. The way you lay out the information is very intriguing and makes alot of sense.
I mostly just think Space Marines in general, were fairly under performing compared to other stuff, like Battle sisters or even guardsmen, all having one wound. Both a first born and primaris marine are both extremely tough compared to humans. I still think lore wise Primaris are tougher than first born, but not enough to give an extra wound. Personally I love the update for the game. 40k have a massive power scale, which just can't be represented in a d6 game. Great vid Luetin!
Furthermore: Ten Thousand years of belief emotion and Faith in a being that was not a God ten thousand years ago: Pretty much makes him a god by this point in time. I don't forsee any serious arguments that can counter that.
I wasn't that surprised by the "buff" that the firstborn got. Both the new stories about the Dark Angels and Flesh Tearers show that veteran firstborn straight up smack down Primaris because of a difference in experience.
About those "not-warp powers" Makes me think about D&D I'm going to assume that usual magic and powers in 40k are "arcane magic" and the powers shown by the sororitas are "divine magic" it is often said in D&D that clerics channel magic from their god, but is also said that one can be a "cleric from a philosophy" much like paladins, whose magic comes from faith and determination alone. This can be rationalized in many ways, but as you may have realized by this point, it is hard to me to explain this stuff in your language. This is a "look it up" i think? Give me a like if you are interested so i can give you a couple of pages to read Stay safe luetin!
the manner in which GW introduced the lore for Primaris never felt right to me. i'm totally cool with the concept and i think redesigning the minis and stuff is awesome as technology in the process makes for better sculpts and stuff, but making it not possible for primaris to ride in land raiders or 1st born able to ride in repulsors and stuff like that just didn't feel well thought out.
21:30 Maybe the SoB's powers are unique to them and not other Imp psychers, something like the Orks, "We believe it, therefore it's true", And doesn't require the warp.
Maybe Stern's / the sisters psychic might is making a mini warp inside the null zone? Like maybe the warp is cut off from inside there, but that just makes it empty where the warp should be and she's filling it with crazy emperor energy.
@@captainanopheles4307 nah primaris would be like MK4, there was a thing before thunder warriors, then thunder warriors, then manlet marines, and now primaris
I have been thinking for the last two or three years that the “faith” based powers and saints are drawing on a dimension other than the Warp. This is where “The Star Child” is coming into existence.
Hi Luetin, this occured to me whilst listening and re-listening to your lore vids. What if faith in the emperor changes the frequency of warp energy? This would explain why blackstone nullified warp energy at Cadia resulting in the banishment of lesser warp entities but it did not banish St. Celestine. It would also explain the Adepus Sororitas and Imperial miracles in the Pariah Nexus. Of all the Imperial forces the Sororitas are the most zealot in their faith; also the Imperium and Emperor, by Necron timescale, has only occured in a blink of an eye so this is something new to them.
I think it's somewhat important to also note that in the novel by Gav Thorpe which accompanied the Indomitus box, the space marines there were also able to resist the necron pylons to a significant degree, and were also able to help normal humans/guardsmen resist the null field as well. While they weren't manifesting any powers, it seems like the ability of trained and indoctrinated imperial forces who, for all intents, have fully and willfully committed their lives to the Imperium simply have the sheer willpower to resist the null fields better. It isn't too far of a leap to imagine that humans so united in purpose and buoyed by faith could tap into some kind of gestalt energy in a similar manner to orcs fueling a Waghhhh; in keeping with this thought, it's quite clear that this power manifests within specific characters (i.e. Celestine, or similarly higher ranked sisters) who perhaps might have the subconscious ability to draw upon the faith and emotional wellspring of those around them in the same manner that a Weirdboy pulls upon the fervor or the orcish hordes. This could also potentially explain how miracles seemingly happen in proximity to the sisters, in much the same way that orcs can simply will red vehicles to go faster; the pooled strength of their collective emotion/faith (not pulled from the warp) powers these phenomena and helps to empower the quasi-divine figures like the living saints.
I mean, it was obvious since almost all sentient races have a presence in the warp. The Emperor is near a god now because humanity has collectively believed so for more than 9 thousand years, the only thing preventing this from happening is the Emperor himself being tethered to his body and his will to not lose even a nanosecond from his 10 thousand years concentration to keep the Astronomicom and the Golden Throne functioning.
@@NueThunderKing Emps doesn't charge the Astronomicon, sacrificed psykers do. The Astronomicon since its creation consumed psykers. The Golden throne is a life support device, it doesn't control the Astronomicon. Nor does Emps fuel the fuel the throne its psykers. Emps keeps the massive warp rift underneath the Golden palace mostly shut. Daemon incursions still happen but thats what the Custodes are for.
@@garretth8224 the Emps will is what concentrates the psychic energies into the Astronomicon, and what keeps the Golden Throne (which is probably a man made webway door) closed. The Golden Throne was modified to keep the Emps "alive", but that function is secondary, the primary one is being a gate.
I feel like there a lot of "collective conscious" and other similar occult concepts that run deep through the 40k universe. It's actually my head canon that Hermes Trismigestus was one of the Emperor's earliest personas, so maybe there actually is a parallel there.
Change is the only constant. The best thing we can do find the things we like in those changes. Wanted nothing to change in your favorite things is only setting yourself up for failure.
I mean, they used to be Toughness 3 and only had a 4+ armor save. Getting 2 Wounds just sounds like power creep because they are supposed to be better than everything else.
@@ScooterinAB: I dunno, it seems reasonable for a cybernetic super-soldier wearing power armor to be able to get shot more than once without automatically bleeding to death.
I feel like it was something that should have existed for the longest time, since it didn't really make sense how a Space Marine squad could easily be killed by Guardsmen if they rolled lucky and the same for Terminators that were stupidly expensive points wise for how easily they could generally be killed by most things. Yet in lore they are said to kill hundreds of enemies by themselves and yet Tau infantry could kill them in melee by beating them to death with the butts of their rifles I guess with a few dice rolls and some unlucky saves, so much for that amazing Super Solider armor and extra organs. I don't think this has anything to do with the new lore itself as much as fixing it to be more in line with old basic lore and is simply a balancing thing in the table top game to keep them relevant while buffing Generic Chaos as a whole since they wouldn't instantly be getting Primaris stuff for a while.
I'd suspect it's lazy writing with the whole faith thing. We saw in the final events of the fall in Cadia that Celestine's faith powers were stripped by a very similar kind of null field when she was fighting Abbadon. Two similar events with very different results. Good fun to speculate though ^-^
Since you were bringing up the argument of tabletop rules as part of the lore of the Primaris, one could argue that the Sisters of Battle do not use psychic powers and their miracle dice still work and can not be blocked. Healing deadly wounds, rallying the forces, guiding their shots and making their bolter rounds extra leathal are a common thing. In addition one could also argue that there is alot of smoke and mirrors going on, as far as some of the visuals are concerned. A display of pyrotechnics and a sophisticated laser show will make a guardman believe to have witnessed a true wonder. Even the Sisters may not be aware of the fact that some of the things they do are contributed to technology and only their faith in the emperor makes them believe they actually perform miracles.
"He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology." I take this sentence as a reference to the forgotten technology underpinning the Golden Throne's power. The EoM, while very powerful, is not working alone. So maybe this is an example of Clarke's 3rd law, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." It's fair to say that since the psychic awakening EoM and the Golden Throne are sucking down more and better quality psychers. Just suckin up good uncut psycher souls like a coke head in Vegas. So EoM is not a God, he's a badass who's cheating death using forgotten tech sitting on top of a pile of psycher bodies. (I'm locking my door now.) Perhaps the Sororitas have thus unrevealed armor characteristics or all carry a relic that is imbued with this forgotten tech that resonates with the EoM/GT and overcomes the null effect. Perhaps the recent better quality soul juice is amping the EoM, coupled with the Sororitas' rock hard faith is how they resonate, match, connect, and amplify, and why it hasn't happened much before. I've seen vibrations and resonance used to explain Eldar and Necron tech. Maybe it's something like that here? Anyway, thanks for the discussion topic LT, great vid!
Prediction: There may be a stat and lore difference between different marines based off what geneseed they have example First born: Those that hold the original geneseed are seen has betters compared to the primaris stock. Because they hold flawed gene traits they are seen as stronger because of the constant test to their will power(wulfen curse and the black rage for example)as well as having it be honorary(I descend from those who served our father during the great crusade- not those who were vat grown in Cawl's lab!). In crunch terms HQs with firstborn geneseed might have greater leadership, wounds or weapon skills. Instead of deleting the past and pretending it never happened, we can keep the interesting flavors of the different chapters. Its better than "he's trying to turn us into red ultramarines"
But then you have primaris death company and primaris showing wulfen traits, either way why wouldn't you want to turn a marine into primaris? Even if it's just a bit better that's still...better, either way grabbing an aspraint and giving them firstborn organs or the primaris extra ones it's the same marine in the end, just one is better
@@busterbackster1 i should be more specific- They would have everything a Primaris have but their specific geneseed would be the firstborn one. Like the black Templars could have a aspirant with leadership qualities and gift him with both primaris organs and their original slightly flawed imperial fist geneseed(I think they're missing the betcher's gland?) They would perhaps name him "Son of Sigismund" to honor his heritage, while those with Cawl's "fixed" geneseed would be called "Cawl's creation". This also creates interesting internal conflicts as founding chapters uphold they're flaws as superior to those without flaws "What is good about the black rage and the red thirst?" "The red thirst allows us to bond with one another in our communions to further our discipline with the black rage. If we never feel the black rage...how will we ever feel a connection to our father?"
Faith can be explained quite simply: the warp, also known as the see of souls, is a reflection of the materium and psykers reach into it to use its power in a particular way. Faith on the other hand strengthens ones own soul and charges it as a battery outside the warp. The faithfull can then draw upon the power of their own soul to perform mirracles.
Great video! Still i‘ve got some ideas. - there is a third realm to the materium and the immaterium - sob dont need to connect to the Warp because they use the emp as a conduit to the material realm - sob are already fuled with warp power and dont Need to connect with the warp to weild it - the null Field does not Block everything from the warp (maybe intentionaly) And some notes. In Flight of the eisenstein it is Noted that sister of silence cause an unease feeling when near normal people. Though it seems weird to me that the null field may causes a stronger effect then they do. Its like a less than a vacuum problem to me. The entire nature of the null effect seems kinda blurry to me.
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A couple of things have come up recently in the further expansion of 40K Lore, and both are pretty interesting. Most curious about peoples opinions around Part 2 which I think has potentially big implications - or perhaps not - who knows. I'll also hopefully soon have some showcases of the Indomitus box set both the Necron and Marines are nearing readiness.
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"is a space marine a instrument?"
Nice Score choice
@Luetin09 hey man, love your vids man. Is there anything about the new stuff that you don't particular like?(lore wise i mean)
Just curious on your thoughs
I think you'd do great at narrating documentaries, you have the perfect vocal clarity and tone for it.
>2 things
A good man does not let time hinder him making his stance clear, and yet not ramble on in an unneeded tangent.
Be like the Imperium, Luetin. Never change. Ever. Not even if it would be a good idea.
I'd like, but then you'd have 666 likes and Warhammer is grimdark enough.
@@deusexaethera sounds like nurglite to me, pretty heretical
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Luetin is a D&D Wizard trying to figure out how a Cleric casts magic
Hahahahaha yes! Which is why I love this channel
As a wizard player, I totally get it. Wish I could leave those spell level behind and play mystic thurge
@@marc-antoineleber109 Not worth. Metamagic is where true power lays.
He hasn’t realized they are orkz
Strangely enough, a Bard is an arcane caster with healing magic. Wizards have some ways to heal too, such as "false life" adding temporary hit points or at least Polymorph spell restoring HP.
Luetin: I. Just. Can’t. Keep. Up.
Me, a mere dabbler: Well, shit.
Humans are getting the Ork WAAAAAGH abilities except instead of WAAAAGH its "FOR THE EMPEROR"
FOR THE WAAAPEROR !!!
FOR THE EMPERWAAAGHRR!
Heretics.
theres actually precedence for the sisters thing. when cawl used the pylon to “disconnect” the warp in cadia, he managed to banish all the demons in the planet. celestine was visibly affected by this which goes to show that they are connected to the warp in some way but she didnt disappear so that implies something else beside the warp is powering the sisters.
Destroying the pylons didn’t wipe out the people showing chaos corruption tho, it just dispersed the demons. I’m sure if Sanguinius had been there, he probably would have been rattled too. It seems like the knowledge the Emperor got from traveling to the warp had something to do with figuring out how to use the warp to shape organic matter, hence the Primarchs.
Luetin: hey there are 2 things that I feel like I need to talk about. *20 minutes later he turns it into a philosophical presentation about the warp and human resilience*
Sounds like a good video LoL
The sweet leaf has been known to cause many a rabbit hole to open, many a tangent is given with religious zeal, only to totally forget whatever esoteric crap had been the topic. It was probably something stupid like "the Thing" ( 1982 version ) vs. the Blob ( any version ) who'd win?. P.S. the Thing hijacks the Blob before the Blob's corrosive touch could do serious damage.
Horus, after slaying the emperor and standing over his near dead corpse: Finally, I have defeated you, Father
The Big E: Jokes on you, wolf boy, 2 wound points
NANI!?
Big E? Oh you mean Jimmy Space, creator of the Space Marines.
@@inscrutablewut Jim Raynor
hah, my guns do 2 dam now !! oh wait, big daddy E's boys get that ...
Given it's recent GW I suppose Big E just re-rolls failed saves.
Honestly, I still think the part about human faith overcomming the Necron Null Zone is just
1. Ephrael Stern's doing(she overloaded a culexus assassin in the comics);
2. A way too not make the null zone too OP and keep the plot going;
3. Faith is so strong it manifests a connection to the warp anyway.
tl/dr It's most likely just cheap writing.
I agree it’s cheap writing, but the point about faith is still contradictory as there is a small excerpt in the 9th edition rule book about admech fighting in the pariah nexus, how if faith alone is enough to ward of the effects of the nexus, then surely the soldiers of the Omnissiah would be immune right?
Apparently not.
This bothers me both as an admech fan and from a writing perspective. Personally I would have just wrote to have necrons have complete control over that territory, and all the imperium can do is attempt to stop any further expansions. Let the necrons have some wins.
Maybe faith in the emperor overrides the null zone because he exists in both realspace and the warp?
I wasn’t too keen on the “faith i. Emps isn’t the warp”
hmmm
In the indomitus novel the space Marines are effectively immune to the null zone and even partially revitalize the humans in proximity as well. The Marines in question are ultra primaris so that's definitely not a religious faith thing for them. What that means? No clue.
The most funny fact about primaris is that they already have dreadnoughts.
To be fair, you could need a dreadnought after their first combat.
So i get why (even if i dont like it)
seems like those could be failed primaris who cawl just chucked into the dreadnaught anyways. Primaris is a mess lore wise but they wanted a major refresh and primaris marines lets them fight trademark suits much easier which is important more than ever with china basically ripping everything off (leppin, leggo, loego...)
Dreadnoughts are less surprising than Primaris _Ancients..._ But, Primaris have _existed_ for a long time, they just haven't been deployed... Officially... Until Guilliman's return.
@@Siathuan Ancient, they explained is gothic for ensign (banner bearer wasn't good enough apparently)
@@Siathuan some primaris test subjects had combat experience and after 10,000 years of being alive and tested on id say they are ancient
"All things in moderation"
*Angry Slaanesh noises*
Noise marines need their own codex, they are my second favorite army
You could say, an *excess* of moderation. Checkmate, Slaaneshi?
@@berekclay75 Noise marines are like Twisted Sister gone extra wild
Orks use the warp without actually "using" the warp all the time, Sisters are probably doing something similar.
finally, someone came to the same idea
Also ork stuff just don't stop working around a sister of since.
CHAOS SISTERS AND millitarium woud be so sick
@@matan8074 there's also C'Tan powers which nothing can interact with, yet work almost like psychic powers
ye i believe the humans are just another old one project with aspects that they used when building both elder and ork but not actually meant as a cannon fodder race to fight the war in heaven so the humans where allowed to slowly evolve into their final form
Luetin was like "wait... Is the Emperor really a God?"
He's learning
It's a bird!
It's a plane!
>It's a flying shekel!
They don't call him the *God* Emperor of Mankind for nothing
Lorgar was right
69th like, nice.
@@CBRN-115 Well yes but actually no.
I would have thought that the firstborns should have had 2 wounds from the start because they're super humans, so it doesn't make sense that they have the same wounds as a guardsman. I think it does also make sense in terms of lore, firstborns are only missing a few organ implants but in terms of surviving battle damage they still have the extra heart and lungs, the clotting etc. I don't think they're as powerful though, in terms of strength and speed the Primaris are probably still on top. Maybe they'll come up with a lore explanation that goes along the lines of Primaris are harder to make or they burn out a lot of aspirants during the process, so they have to test the aspirants further and see if they can do it. So, some become normal marines, some become the more powerful Primaris.
Yeah this is truly a good point, I think when Primaris first came in this was something I discussed, it makes much more sense now in some respects, but its not perfect, I think Primaris for example could have an extra toughness point
@@Luetin09 Maybe there are a few more surprises in the new Marines codex...
@@Jbay2608 The Hellblasters data sheet has already been leaked (look up Auspex Tactics here on YT), they just have 1 more attack now.
I don't care that they're not much better, I just hope Primaris become a point or two cheaper and old marines a little bit more expensive.
@@Luetin09 the d6 system limits the stat lines you can make t5 is amazingly good for example wheras t2 is a joke the biggest issue is the limitation of a d6 system
@@Luetin09 Primaris have Gravis armor for T5, and one more attack than a tactical marine for just a few extra points (with the leaks taken into account). Primaris are still superior.
Humans are orks now. The faithful ones go faster. WAAAAAAAAGH!
But the most common Sisters power armor is black, not red.
They always have been just less extreme
If I'm not wrong, Orks view red as fast, blue as lucky, purple as stealthy, yellow makes things explode larger, black makes things more durable, white as death, and green as simply DA BEEST.
@@Noah-zz8uw so if a ork paints himself white does he die or do people around him die
@@Bruh-hq1hx Probably both. I don't really know, but I do know that the collective beliefs of the Orks can work against them as well. Obviously if an enemy is red for example, they would go faster. I remember someone talking about a Commissar who put a Warboss arm on his own, then the Orks believed he was invincible, so he was.
To the second point: Maybe being disconnected to warp, the emotion that usually feeds the warp cannot, so the sisters accidentally tapped into the localised "bubble" of trapped warp energy created by the guardsmen
This is what I was thinking as well. Kinda of like losing the internet, but still being able to connect to a localized network. Feeding off of one anothers psychic energy to continue the fight.
I've always found it weird that normal astartes had just 1 wound, considering how tough they are in the lore.
Tabletop wise the big problem is toughness values. Giving units more lives is more damaging then making them harder to kill.
I'm a death guard player and T5 is big boon. But the fact that regular space marines are S+T 4 mean that '4s' aren't good enough. Because standard weapons (bolters/shuriken/gauss etc) don't do more than 1 wound.
This also stems from buy rate from races such as drukhari and imp guard. Ultimately, it's not worth buying/playing S/T 3 races when the game is now geared towards more elite games ie: quality over quantity.
It's a shame. I'm not claiming there's an obvious solution, just that go figure the super soldier main characters have the edge.
The thing that broke WH40k immersion for me was watching a battle report where a unit of genestealers popped behind the squad of marines and wiped them out with stabbers in a single turn...
With stabbers... Firearms that is...
2 wounds = fewer models (sold).
Yeah, I feel like this just updates them to follow the lore better
The second one: Bad writing, they needed a mcguffin to counter the stilling and this was the first thing they could think of (because Null fields are impossible to write around, where every other race in the universe relies on the warp to do anything and its the only advantage anyone has over Necrons specifically).
Yep sadly most of the novels are a subject to bad writing. The plot of certain novels even counter themselves halfway through the book.
There might also be some attempt to make female characters important because of the current climate. A game with microscopic female fanbase needed to cater to an mob that was only recently made aware of it
@@SidneyBroadshead Yes, of course, only women care about female representation and how they are portrayed.
@@MrJonathanTeatime I apologise on his behalf for forgetting passive-aggressive, nu-male redditors.
We have spent so long thinking of every strange effect in terms of psychic power that we have forgotten that the 40k universe is not so restricted.
They have been hinting at this for a long time.
Let's go back to the refresh of the Dark Eldar after years of neglect. GW made it clear that the Drukhari wielded powers impossible to explain, yet utterly absent of psychic sources. The old Asimov quote about advanced things you don't understand being comparable to magic was leaned on heavily.
Next, the Crypteks of the Necrons and the C'Tan Star "Gods" were addressed in a similar way. It was clear that the warp was not involved, yet impossible, reality bending effects were summoned forth.
And, now we have the Eclesiarchy... changing reality with faith while simultaneously eschewing the warp and all witches. It's not the first time world warping power has been outside the grasp of the psychic realm; It's just the first time they have been so "in your face" about it.
^ Excellent comment.
I think the issue comes from stuff like on cadia where celestine is nearly banished by the pylons, implying that she is indeed connected to the warp in some way. (They could always just retcon this and say oh celestine is special and shes connected in some way the sisters arent but it would just seem... strange? Given how similar everything they do is.)
Darklight mandrakes EVERYTHING ABOUT THE COVENS dark eldar bless
The 'faithful' in Fantasy battle don't use winds of magic, so its been going on for a while. Faith is like producing your own internal energy rather than recycling someone else's energy. I do really like this discussion, and I didn't know humans were so reliant on the warp. We are addicts to our own chaos.
Good analysis, the quote is one of Arthur C. Clarke's three laws.
The 2-wound change to Marines needed to happen AGES ago. It finally makes sense with the lore, not only are the now difficult to wound in the first place, but now it reflects the lore where they can take a grievous wound and keep on fighting at more or less full efficiency.
I remember thinking the same thing as a teenager, 30 years ago.
"The words of the faithful are the mountains. But the deeds of the faithful are the world."
The final words of Ecclesiarch Deacis IX
The Chaos Gods call the Emperor "The Anathema" - which means he's an anti-God of sorts, or more properly, a God that could be created and exist in the material world rather than only in the Immaterium like themselves. I think perhaps he wasn't this thing back in 30k, but there have now been 10,000 years of Faith to make him what he is becoming*, and back then the Ruinous Powers knew what he could be one day. Btw, there's a kind of precedent for this in 40k lore (though not exactly the same) - the Orks and their certainty making things real in the material world.
* My theory is that this is the Emperor's Plan B and that he had a psychically influencing hand in establishing the Ecclesiarchy for this purpose. Plan A failed, Plan B: make a new God, a God of Mankind.
The thing is, you cant apply logic to chaos. In the Immaterium is no time -> no causality -> no logic.
@@foty8679 hmmm last i checked there is logic and rules to how warp works
I question why nobody just turns humanity into a WAAGH and Warp the Emporer back to health.
@@TheKing-qz9wd Humanity's Faith is literally human version of WAAGH!
Also WAAGH! doesn't just wills things into existence.
@@TheNemesis432
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I can find a gun powered by Waagh that makes bullets only for Orks with sufficent Waagh.
Perhaps the Emperor is a God, maybe the reason he wants mankind to not perceive him as a God is so that their emotions and psychic abilities are empowering humanity itself as it grows rather than their Emperor. Perhaps the reason he kept the Warp a secret is so that Humanity's power won't be transferred to the Chaos Gods
Sounds like Jesus lol
That's an interesting view on the emperor
Hydra Dominatus, be wary of the enemy....they are everywhere...
IM THE 100TH LIKE
In the words of TTS Cawl himself:
"Ooooooooo. Feature creep conFIRMED!"
I heard TTS and I came as fast as I could
@@nedsteven4622 They got a mention in the last episode, but nothing shown yet.
'We fucked up with that part of the Sororitas not being affected by the Pylons, let's just hope the fandom explains it for us and say we came up with it first'
Although I'm rather "new" to the 40k lore universe, my first reaction to this data was the creation/appropriation of the webway on Terra by the Emperor. By all means that should allow for the creation of an alternative psychic zone, field, source, call it what you will with the Emperor holding the door or actually acting like some sort of filter, at least in the beginning. That new space, if it could be filled with some sort of starter energy, probably even "treated" so as not to be as reactive as the warp itself, or even being actively filtered/purged by the Emperor, the golden throne device or any other safeguard, would provide a reservoir to which humanity could be slowly, but surely linked up, probably on birth or maybe through indoctrination and manipulation. It would provide a safe conduit for power, while also having the benefits of disconnection with the warp. By its own nature, inherited from the original webway, it should somewhat easier to circumvent these "null zones" created by the pillars, although I am assuming the the connection between said human and this new zone work similarly to webway portals. Not implying that this is some kind of grand plan by the Emperor tho, as I see it as more of making the best out of a bad situation, although his initial plan might've been to separate humanity from the warp.
Don't really know how well all of that speculation lines up with the lore, as I said, rather "new" to 40k, but it was the first thing that crossed my mind.
You're overcomplicating the wound situation. Ask yourself; Is a Space Marine closer to a Guardsman, or a Primaris Marine? On a scale from 1 (Guardsman) to 10 (Primaris) I'd argue it's around the 8,5 mark and it's certainly beyond 5, so obviously it makes sense for them to have similar health/toughness. Even if they hype up the shiny boys, they're not a league better than their older brethren.
Mechanically 40k is too dakkadakka so they're likely increasing wounds and toughness on some things to flatten it out a bit. Also Mini Marines will undoubtedly go up to almost match their NuMarine counterparts.
Here are two very easy explanations for the Sisters Mary-Sue'ing their way through a nullifier bubble:
1. Some humans are or can become psychic batteries that store warp energy, rather than being conduits or lenses that the warp can travel through. Maybe Sisters learn to siphon a little every day, to release it in moments of vulnerability or great stress.
In other words they don't reach outside the null bubble, they just draw from their own stored energy, but can only do it by going through something traumatic or via rituals.
It's a hell of a lot more reasonable than "LOL GOD AND MAGIC EXISTS NOW CHECKMATE ATHEISTS".
2. eVeRyThiNG iS cAnOn, nOt EvErYtHinG iS tRue. GW's magical words to make up shit on the fly to tell an interesting story.
Ephreal Stern turned on her vox-caster, plus a couple of high tech lamps on her shoulders and then declared they weren't beaten. Guardsmen saw it as angelic wings and felt inspired. So they passed on the story. It's not a perfect explanation, what with the Necron's side of things, but it's GW so it doesn't have to be.
"I swear on me mum, it's true!"
Having faith doesn't mean you don't question it. For some it's 'the truth' and for others it's a tool to deal with the things that happen in life, but the sort of faith you're describing is along the lines of a Grey Knight who believes in absolute resolution against Chaos, because they have the overwhelming confidence and hardcore indoctrination to not just believe it, but LIVE it.
I have a friend who works to pay for his self discovery journeys, where he meets shamans and holy men in all sorts of places, sometimes near cities, other times in the far end of nowhere, on the borders of Nepal and Tibet. He absolutely insists there is a transferrable energy between people, that some of these men can not only read yours, but transfer to or from you. He claims to have witnessed 'spirits', ala warp demons, possess people and to have blacked out himself in one such event but waking up sore from having danced all night without knowing it.
There are wilder stories than that, that go way beyond what I'm willing to write, but the idea of for example 'youthful energy' is an old one, most famously from the Bloody Baroness (Elizabeth Bathory) who bathed in the blood of beautiful women, to some of the crazier *rumours/conspiracies* about Hollywood having secret rituals with children.
He's not the sort of person to lie, he doesn't share this information to gloat, brag or be interesting, he does it with some because he feels they deserve to know that there's more to life. I believe that he believes it, I believe that people can take drugs and go nuts at a party, imagining that they're possessed and have wild experiences that don't make easy sense, but I don't believe it's magical, only that they enhance the situation with belief.
It's a sort of faith though and an interesting glimpse into how powerful emotions can be.
Number 1 is awesome idea!!
Btw, I also went through some crazy ridiculous stuff with a healer that proved to me 100% there are all powerful extra dimensional benevolent beings out there. I can share the story if anyone wants. In any case, warp is real and it can be explained through extra dimensions!
Magic and the divine is merely the parts of the universe our technology has not yet managed to understand. It's funny how hardcore scientifically minded people are totally onboard with the theories about multiple dimensions, 11-dimensional string theory, parallel realities and the multiverse, but if someone says there might be spirit beings in another realm, they consider that preposterous.
Not realizing its the exact same kind of idea..
What we consider paranormal is merely that which we havent figured out yet.
There is NOTHING paranormal in the universe, because if it exists, it is natural and normal.
The universe doesnt need us to understand or even be aware of it.
I believe your friend had genuine experiences, there are far too many accounts of things like this to discount. Its not about religion, its about spirituality. And spirituality is NOT anti-science, it is merely the science we havent figured out and understood yet.
I'm glad 40k is tipping its toes into this new frontier.
Because mark my words, we're all gonna have to come to terms with some of these things sooner or later, no matter how hardcore "atheist" you may be.
On a side-note, i consider atheists to be just as foolish as fundamentally nutty religious cults.
Because just as you as a single human being of flesh and blood on this tiny planet in this huge cosmos cannot possibly know the truth about realms so far beyond our scale to say conclusively "a god does not exist", one also cannot definitively state "a god does exist and he takes on these rules for humanity".
It's like asking a Dolphin if The ISS exists.
It has no concept to even contemplate that question, nor what the answer would mean.
@@Baleur Well stated, it's weird how people discard spiritual things yet believe in alternate dimensions and the multiversal theories of time, space, and beyond.
Glad they are tough now, I’ll just say this though, don’t like none character (even if they are in terminator armor) having the same wounds as custodies, just doesn’t feel right.
St. Celestine lost her powers on Cadia when the warp was temporarily cut off, indicating that her powers were from the warp, at least at that time. Yet, she still kept fighting Abaddon without missing a beat. It's possible that the saturation of warp energy throughout the galaxy after the opening of the Great Rift has greatly lessened the power of null fields overall, but that also there could indeed be another that the sisters can connect to a power that is beyond the warp. An analogy from real-world religions is when Moses' staff serpent devoured the staff serpents of the pharaoh's sorcerers.
40K lore is starting to look disturbing like the Imperium's Book of Judgement...
“Faith has given us rational minds for this purpose, to penetrate all things, to find truth. If one renounce reason, what remains?”
Logic, and to me that’s the only thing that matters.
The emperor, gork, and mork seem very similar when you talk about him being something related to but outside the usual warp entities we think of.
The faith thing made sense for me. The Sororitas are still tapping into the Warp, and are overloading the null zone with their psychic warp faith.
They are tapping into the psychic might of the unborn warp entity that is currently being formed from the worship of the Emperor. The number of humans worshipping thr Emperor far outpaces even the worshippers of the most popular chaos god, thus it is probably an order of magnitude stronger than the normal level of what the Necrons can nullify, or expect to nullify.
It is also why Blanks don't seem to have an effect on them.
They aren't psykers, per say, but more akin to a chaos cultist performing a ritual of possession.
Interesting, perhaps their daily rites of faith and chanted hymns sorta inoculate them on a daily base and build up a foundation of faith in Him, so pure and true, they somehow channel Him on Terra into their very souls, so the essence and purity of the master of mankind is kinda infusing those that give themselves to him in spirit? This is 5he power of the emperor.. the emperor manifest himself in those that believe and practice faithfully the rites. Btw, he is a god of the materium, a titan of order. Hail the Emperor of mankind.
I have a couple of theories regarding the Sisters and their capabilities, especially within the Pariah Nexus, but they may be a bit out there:
1) If Faith is a deep wellspring of emotions contained within the mind and soul of a person, perhaps they needn't look to the Warp for psychic phenomena. If Psykers draw power from the Warp, which as we know is just a soup of emotions, then why can't psychic races draw from their own powerful emotions, like Faith? If this energy has nowhere to go, or alternatively is hepd firmly by the soul, why couldn't a psychic race draw upon it, almost like a battery of warp energy contained within themselves? Ergo, Sisters do draw upon the same type of energy as the Warp through their Faith, they just pull it from inside themselves, not from another realm.
2) This one is a bit more crazy, but perhaps Faith in the Emperor is what is killing him. We know that all forms of emotion and belief flow in the endless channels of the Warp- hence how the Chaos Gods grew from emotions, and how other Gods came into being also, like Malice or Yncarnne. So, maybe human Faith in the Emperor is creating a new kind of energy or sentience in the Warp. The Imperium has gone sort of overboard in the enforcement of the Imperila Cult as of late, and in such dark times faith is a bedrock on which people can hope to build a sanctuary from the terrors that lurk in the void and beyond. Such heightened emotions may be enough to spawn a creature in the Warp, or enhance the presence of one already there- the Emperor's. Regardless of whether he was initially a god, perhaps the collective belief that he IS a god is latching on to the fragments of his soul in the Warp, drawing it from his mortal body. We know the Emperor is dying, the Golden Throne failing for unknown reasons- perhaps the increased focus on Faith is why. As Faith flows into the warp, it latches onto the entity its associated with, as happens with worship of the Chaos Gods. Yet, this soul is trapped in undeath, and only by killing the emperor, and reuniting his complete soul with the bolstering power of human faith, can he truly be reborn and aid humanity again.
Or, perhaps Faith is it's own entity separate from the Emperor, hence the random acts of benevolence and malice it inflicts, like saving guardsmen before burning their ranks alive as shown in a story from the 9th Ed. Core Rulebook. Who knows. Certainly not me.
I think you should mention the back and forth on the “purity” of the gene-seed of the Primaris. It is a big deal for both lore and table top. As a Blood Angels player, the idea that Primaris are just accepted as being superior was utter bullshit. Death Company and the Sanguinary Guard are clearly superior to the basic Primaris Marine. If we are to believe that the gene-seed is more “flawless,” then there would be no Primaris Death Company and no Primaris Sanguinary Guard. The same applies to the Space Wolves and the Diggerknobs (I mean Wulfen) effected. Seth Gabriel said it best, the Red Thirst isn’t a curse; it is a gift from their Primarch. That constant struggle to stay loyal and not fall to Chaos, not give into the Red Thirst, is part of what make a Blood Angel Space Marine. Otherwise, they might as well be Ultramarines in Blood Angel Armour.
But what about primaris death company? And the primaris that are starting to show wulfen traits?
i actually liked the tidbit they wrote about "yeah most chapters reeally didnt trust the primaris right away, and saw them as naive noobs." and how for the most part they were right. The primaris died in numbers that would make guardsmen blush, and while initially were thought to be a cure to the red thirst, turns out they too are just as vulnerable to it and the black rage (proving cawl wrong)
busterbackster1 That is the point. They had to go back on that piece of lore. Originally, it would have been statically improbable to have Wulfen Primaris. It would seem like they realized they wrote themselves into a corner, and now they are trying to correct that. So Cawl isn’t as smart as everyone gives him credit. I consider it heresy that he would even attempt to modify Primarch gene-seed, perfected by the Emperor himself, and call chapter traits gene-seed “flaws.” From the lore, are we going to see Primaris Wulfen models on table top? Primaris Death Company? They would have to make a decision on the lore, but there is just back and forth right now.
Niall Duffield From the table top (not lore), I saw a kit bash of complete Deathwatch Primaris Army. I thought it was funny. My comment was, “Chapter Master! These new Primaris Marines have never even seen the xenos, let alone know how to fight them. They don’t know how our tactics, how to work with the Firstborn, and there is a conflict with authority among the Officer corps. What shall we do. *Chapter Master Smirks wickedly* “Send them to Deathwatch.” It would be the fastest way for the Primaris to gain experience and earn respect amongst the Firstborn. Being Faster, Stronger, and Bigger isn’t going to replace 300 years of tested combat experience.
the death company doesn't suffer from a genetic mutation tho
"How can faith be a weapon?"
Legion of the Damned.
And the saint
One thing I should point out as I base my opinion about the Null Field and how the Bolter Nuns were unaffected by it:
We have seen Nulls being overwhelmed by psychic power before with the shattering of Khaine's Gate. The Gate was surrounded by captured Nulls in an effort by Vect to keep it closed. But as the 13th Black Crusade rolled around and Khaine's Gate started to crack, there were specific mentions of these captured Nulls starting to scream in their cages after many years of the Kabalite guards having periodically been driven mad by their proximity to the Gate and knowledge about the Gate's instability being suppressed by Vect, Luetin also specifically mentioned this event. The Nulls, who are anathema to daemons and the Warp, began to scream in madness. Not even they are 100% immune to it's effects. The limit might be insurmountably high, but it clearly exists. It is therefore, at least in my mind, reasonable to assume such a limit also exists for blackstone.
Therefore my reasoning about the Sisters of Battle using their faith-driven powers is thus: They simply overwhelmed the field with their faith. As corny as it sounds, the Warp is a dimension where the impossible becomes possible and the concept of warp-derived powers overwhelming technology, even as powerful as that of Necrons, doesn't sound like something to be discarded out of hand. Especially when combined with the religious dogma the Sisters of Battle exhibit, it wouldn't surprise me if they believed to their core that any technology that the xenos wield wouldn't prevent their devotion in the Emperor from protecting them and bringing death to the Necrons.
EDIT: And yep, this was also brought up by Luetin. Oh well.
I cannot fathom the Dark Angels willfully accepting Primaris Space Marines.
they mindwiped them after every mission, told them it was the first mission each time. Eventually some primaris figured out what was happening, and they were accepted after that. Not accepting your new marines until they have proved that they are intensely paranoid and cunning is very Dark Angels.
They didn't
See the problem is, is they shittily wrote in that the Inquisition told them they had to, imo the emperor's fists would never accept the primaris, I mean the fists literally committed suicide when the codex was written, why in the fuck would they just accept the new primaris?
Lone survivalist314 I just dislike the whole Primaris situation, it just feels extraneous. Call me a stick in the mud, but they could have moved the story forward without the Primaris marines.
well they have now since Grand Master Lazarus of the 5th company has become one
My thought about the 2nd thing:
Maybe it's like the dwarves from fantasy? Dwarves believe that they can't do magic, and that their runes aren't magic. This, by the nature of the warp/chaos, makes their runes become a unique subset of magic, that functions signifcantly differently than regular magic.
Maybe the imperium insisting that their faith is drawn from BIG E, and not the warp, have caused that to actually become the case. Essentially, they've made their magic not count as magic, just like the dwarves did.
To elaborate on the idea, what if the Emperor was a focuser and purifier. That the psychers that he is fed on a daily basis that their energies are taken and some how changed and that energy is somehow actually transfered to those with "faith".
@@memnarch129 or maybe their power of faith is the emperor or rather the warp manifestation of the god emperor usese all these hundreds of sisters as a focus to manifest his power, since even with the sisters of silence around and even magnus could still use his powers. so what if their powers worked due to their numbers (as in many sisters of battle in one place) used as beacon for the god emperor that simply overloaded the capacity of the pylons. maybe just like on cadia the necrons just needed to fully activate and amplify the pylons in order to surpress this new warp spike
Yeah, Orc magic.
Sister of battle power work like warrior of Priest.
Ol golden boy Emperor is making his own warp. With Black Templars and Sororitas.
Luetin: faith isn’t warp related and it doesn’t power the gods
Also Luetin: but, but, but faith is warp related!
In concept，faith is just an action driven by emotion and personal believes。It has no power，not warp related。
And，so far，until now，IF this action do cause any exact phenomenon，the only known plausible explanation IS THE WARP。
So，this seemly “miracle cause by pure faith and THE EMPEROR`s protect” phenomenon should be warp related。
And Luetin`s most confuse part is：Wait，what？Did you just means，now，by faith， mankind can conduct some unexplainable，mysterious，divine and holy supernatural power，cause typical warp like phenomenon，do absolutely warp shxt，even share this buff with other companions who can`t do the same。
And，a ginormous BUT，it`s not warp related，because it can ignore the anti-psychic null field of the black stones。Which LITERALLY NULLIFIED ANY WARP RELATED BULLSHXT。
So……what the shxt is that exactly？
Hi! I'm quite sad to hear that people didn't like your Dark origins series, I personally, as a religious person, really enjoyed it, especially the metaphore with the islands and the sea, when the music kicked in... (looking forward to part 3)
I think I've never left a single comment here before, but I watched all your Warhammer 40k related vids and really enjoyed them. Keep up the work, man, your creating some great content! (also, weapons part 2 when? :)
On The Faith topic:
“Loyalty is its own reward” Lion El’Johnson
Hey Luetin! I think that Faith is is far and away the most powerful “Fuel” for Warp based abilities, but the hardest to obtain.
My reason being this:
The quote above by The Lion is a perfect example of what I believe Faith is in 40k. How many Chaos Worshippers can you think of are truly Faithful to their Gods, So much so that they expect nothing in return for their worship and sacrifice? For the most part Chaos Worshippers expect something in return for the actions they take. Be it power or an escape from the torment their God will bestow if the tithe isn’t kept. The Chaos Gods are fueled by and empower The Mind and Body, Emotions and Flesh. But what of The Soul? I believe that Faith is a extension of The Soul. The Warp is something much more then a psychic maelstrom, it’s so much deeper. But Chaos feeds on the most abundant source which is extreme thoughts and emotions. And their worshippers keep crawling back like a drug addict who will do anything for their Fix. But what of the trillions of Emperium Citizens who work and die all while knowing they will never stand higher then they are now. Yet many give thanks and ask for the strength to SERVE but one more day. Few fall and become faithless chaos addicts. But The Many stand faithful.
And that’s why The Sororitas can so often tap into the power of Faith. They march forward, fight, and die deaths thousands of times worse then an average citizen of The Imperium in the name of The Emperor. Do they expect anything in return? They do not ask for martial prowess, exquisite sensation, an escape from pain, or limitless knowledge? No, they do it because they believe. They do it because Faith is its own Reward.
I could go on for longer about why Chais Worship isn’t faith and would falter against black stone tech as opposed to what The Imperium has rockin up. But this is already a really long comment.
This is my take on The Power of Faith in 40k and its superiority and rarity in comparison to Standard Warp based powers. If you or anyone ever reads this comment it’d be nice to know what y’all think about this interpretation.
So faith is sth similar to loyalty.
I think that humanity’s faith operates in a similar capacity to ork waaagh energy. With enough of it, it bends reality even without the warp (like orks do).
To be honest tho on the citizens part; they don't have a choice on the matter other than to serves and die, their loyalty is nowhere near selfless as you mention it to be, which is why a good chunk of the Inquisition and Ecclesiarky are so strict towards even the smallest ideas of 'change' as it's; in many worlds within the Imperium people don't need much convincing to to rebel especially when they believe they can get away with it...
I like the theory - a guy above, @SeanEvans I think is his name? Had a pic of a pit bull for his photo like 3 comments up at the time of writing thought that perhaps the emperor destroyed the warp rather than created it with his emotions - since he can permenantly kill daemons. So faith is sort of like the opposite in that it destroys the warp. I think it might go with this. Like this seems to make sense - it is not out of a selfish motivation but out of true faith (only obtained by focusing alone on the emperor rather than on their own self). Pretty cool!
Concerning the 2nd point: perhaps the conceptualization as "the warp" being that parallel dimension as the "realm of Chaos" is not sound. Perhaps the realm of Chaos is just 1 manifestation of that parallel dimension, with others manifestations that draw from the same source, such as the Orks' Waaagh energy. As such, imperial faith could be another manifestation.
That would also explain - imho much more convincingly - why there are no good/positive/differently aligned warp entities. Not because they are a ridiculous minority, but because they do not manifest in the realm of Chaos by definition. Perhaps that is why the Chaos gods insist on the emperor (as one powerful manifestation of humanity's collective psychic might) as being the anathema. Humanity, by its very (numerous) existence might eventually draw energy from the source away from the Chaos realm to humanity's manifestation of that power, thereby, as daemons regularly state, eroding the living "space" of the daemons.
That the source (warp, kinda) is not inherently chaos-tainted/dominated could be supported by the fact that cutting humans off from the warp should actually also have some positive effects if it was only the realm of Chaos. But the result is pain and despair, with nothing positive whatsoever.
I also like this (very basic) idea because it would mean that the Chaos gods have managed to pull off the greatest lie in the history of the 40k universe: that Chaos is the warp. It's like a faction holding a near monopoly trying to blind everyone else to the fact that their monopoly is actually not a matter of course and the natural order of things, thereby eroding concerted efforts to change that status quo.(A passable analogy would be Conquistadors using their "power of lightning" - firearms - against some American natives and painstakingly avoiding to tell them that they, the natives, could use the same power.)
And that would be so very much like the Chaos gods imho.
Hence, the Necron pylons, not attuned to this new manifestation of the source, would be ineffectual.
Concerning point 1: I am as flabbergasted as you. Perhaps they will just let the firstborn run their course, and stop supporting them by 10th edition, not giving them new rules etc and moving them to the legends sections, at which point the majority of people will stop using them. One reason might be that GW is so confident in their new minis - justifiably so I think - that people will want to buy new stuff, not just because it is made overpowered. They will certainly be able to do A LOT for other factions concerning new minis, thus broadening the player-base that has traditionally been 50+% Space Marine players.
As an addendum: In Aos, there is no real "human" faction. The Stormcast are slowly being reduced in popularity as more factions with new minis are being introduced. And the majority of humans is not so much human as we define it in the real world, but "slaves to darkness". Thus GW sees that you don't need humans, that we perceive as the good guys because we identify with them, which, tbh, is not a bad idea. And the Imperium, especially with the return of Guilliman, is "the good guys" for most people. And as soon as you have "good guys", playing "bad guys" in the f***ed up way they are in 40k, (see dark eldar, damonculaba, etc.) can feel weird.
I’ve always felt that people simplifying the realms of chaos being the entire warp just seemed a blanket statement. Because They still mention enslavers that are their own warp based entity, and how would you have furies that don’t belong to any entity but can be used by any entity exist, if it was so saturated with these four major manifestations/entities/concepts.
Don’t see how it would be possible that anyone in real space outside of the most powerful individuals could use the warp if they literally had to rip apart a demon just to cast a smite or read someone else’s mind.
I always figured they operated in a way that wasn’t so much physical Real estate, as much as seeping and overlapping realities, and poking out with tendrils of feeling, looking for any kind of crack they can explore and rip open, thus a weak psyker VS a strong psyker being able to perform better and less risky, partly cause being a powerful psyker is not being distracted or compromised, you could be technically powerful, but if your all over the place mentally and emotionally, you’d be easy pickings for warp Parasites.
Well fucking said. A less elaborate analogy, if perhaps more succinct: from an RP stance it has always felt, to me, like the F/M/K version of choosing a Hogwart's house in the real and honest sense (as opposed to running with a Cosmo quiz that you take as sufficient.) There are no right answers here, which makes it more challenging.
The Tau seem like the obvious answer, but not only is that a total copout, once you know more about their history they beome quite suspect, and they too embody at least one, if not several, of the concepts the rest of the factions inspire me to want to avoid when choosing a side: namely, merciless advocation for wholescale slaughter, a fanatic dedication to racial superiority, demand for the unthinking fealty of the individual, and/or open dedication to outright fascism.
I choose Slaanesh. Certainly the Perfect Prince represents a harbinger of abject misery as much as the next choice, but She takes all comers, She demands no fealty and asks that you serve only yourself, and those admitted to Her realm come away with, at least, the illusion of paradise as their subjective reality even though the objective reality of the observer may differ.
EDIT: Should the forces of the Star Child ever recieve full confirmation, I'll obviously switch as quick as anyone would, but until then we are all presented with a dark and difficult choice.
Oh my god 31 minutes of Lueting just what I need :D
31 minute man.
Yea long enough for time to pass while I work on cars or on lunch
Im going to start calling watching Leutin videos, Leuting now
Nut hugger
Space marines are busy arguing about upgrades while the Guard is busy dying.
The white dwarf article on the pariah nexus states that the sisters were effected but they (and the black templars) were more able to resist the effects than anyone else
Wait a minute, i thought the sisters of battle and saint celestine were affected when the pilons were activated on cadia, right?
We still can't rule out either bad writing (on cadia or in the psychic awakening), or that "faith" is the next part of GWs narrative in 40k, which wasn't communicated correctly.
The fall of cadia was a few years ago, who knows what decisions GW has made since then...
Even the update for vanilla marines could just be a newer business-decision from all the anti-primaris backlash, changes of mind, or a new direction for the story to go
@@RaNdomStuffINC9 i sincerely hope it's more than just bad writing, maybe faith is an aspect of the warp than has only only now began to be utilized or something else entirely, i guess we can only.... have faith(sorry) GW won't mess this up.
@@theodorepetridis3977 I mean, "bad writing" could also mean: "the writer of the fall of cadia was not informed that faith is becoming something disconnected from the warp"
which is more what I'm hoping
with it going somewhere like the emps didn't want to be "worshipped like a god", because he needed unshakeable faith in something more than a mere "god" - as he'll surpass the meaning of a "god" in the 40k universe
whatever GW comes up with, may they be blessed by the holy god-emperor of mankind
It NEVER made sense to me that a Space Marine had the same number of wounds as a guardsman, I honestly think they should’ve had two wounds all along and in turn Primaris should have more wounds than OG Marines as originally intended
I feel like the firstborn stat change could represent the fact that as regular Space Marines are slowly faded out only the most venerable and skilled continue to serve alongside the Primaris Marines, partly out of augmentation, partly out of time wearing away the weak and partly due to just prideful necessity to match up to their much newer brothers.
I disagree. I think they're simply making tabletop more cinematic and aligned with lore.
I like the lore connotation but I think gw just balancing there board game honestly
Or the whole primaris thing was some bullshit they made up because they were afraid that if they said we are moving to true scale marines people wouldn't buy old kits.
More like marines shoud have had those stats from the very beggining. The difference between a primaris and a firstborn marine is NOT bigger than between a firstborn marine and a guardsman.
Hot take, faith in the battle sisters seems to work a lot like the waarrghh in orks. There are a few things that shut you off from the warp, like the tyranids shadow in the warp, but they, as far as i know, don't stop ork tech from working. That's still a psychic power though. Maybe these null fields act more like a filter on the warp than blacking it out completely, and if you have enough people amplifying a signal it can still break through?
You are my only connection to the 40k world
Without your videos I'd never know about it
And without your videos I wouldn't be this interest in this universe
Your videos are great and I enjoy each and every one
Thanks for all the videos and effort
One personal theory, coming from a guy that mostly read Horus Heresy stuff, and whose main source of 40k lore come from Bruva Alfabusa.
If I remember correctly, null fields are not infaillible, even though they are enough to shut down most psykers, demons, and warp users in general. But with beings of great psychic potential, such as Malcador the Sigillite or Big E himself, several nulls were required to shut down their powers. And it is inferred that the SoB's faith is believed to come from the Emperor.
What if the fragments of the Emperor's psyche, drifting across the Universe, latched onto beings with a high dosage of faith in Him, like the SoB? It might be fragmented, but there's a chance that even a fraction of the being who can power the Astronomican while half-dead would be able to overpower the necrons' null field.
How does that hold up? I'm missing a lot of knowledge, so any feedback or reference would be appreciated.
A neat theory but you really shouldnt base any serious theory on Bruva Alfabusa 😆
sounds pretty accurate as there is precedent in lore of deamon hosts or deamons spending a lot of time around nulls eventually removing that skill from them
nulls are just another psychic power, and just like there are different strengths of psychers there are different strengths of nulls
from nulls that are just kindof annoying but good enough to keep you safe from getting mindread up to nulls so powerful that if they stepped onto a craftworld all the power would go out and every eldar would have a stroke with blood coming out of every hole
it is definitely possible to overwhelm a null even if its one of the most uncomfortable things a psycher could do, and psychers do a lot of very uncomfortable things
@James Gastovski the emperor is an amalgamation of a lot of stoneage tribals committing suicide together
the emperor is and has always been fragmented
his death broke the incredible will that made him possible of being a single person in the first place
even in the short moments the emperor is not driven insane by pain he is never complete
B M Absolutely true. I wanted to state early on the low level of lore knowledge I possess, and it seemed the perfect example.
James Gastovski For the « remaining alive » part, I could say that most of it comes from the sacrifice of a thousand psykers each day, the same way people in deep coma can be kept « alive » with artificial means, even though their consciousness has long since gone away. As per « powering the astronomicon », I could infer that the Golden Throne is tapping into the power that the half-dead Emperor still produces, especially considering the aforementioned sacrifice.
Although I’m not specifically big on the « tribal suicide pact » theory (it was never officially confirmed, if I’m not mistaken), when we consider that Big E lived most of history and was able to recall most of it at his peak, I could go on a stretch and say that just a tiny fraction of the Emperor’s knowledge and psychic power could be able to make decisions, hold conversations, and even perform short-term miracles.
And once again, I’m only a neophyte in all of this. If there is something in the books or manuals that directly contradicts what I’m saying, I will be the first to admit defeat.
So basically, "The Emperor Protects." xD (Brilliant stuff as always Ed.)
Occum's Razor suggests that it's just some guy who did some bad writing.
I am going go with this option
Heres hoping
I subscribe to this as well. There seems to be soo much lore and headcannon that even writers are running afoul of it more and more often. I believe Luthine once said a lore bible was horrifyingly needed for 40k so that writers had something to hold their works up against.
@@LasseROM It was also suggested by the Outer Circle and maybe Arch, or so I think.
@@loltwest9423 Ah yeah! It was Arch I heard suggest it now you point it out.
I truely enjoy how you mesh the terms from the game into your videos. Example: "But killing Xenos doesn't need fancy bells and whistles, it just needs the Emperors Holy Bolter!"
There's other possibilities you kinda touched on but also some you may not have thought of.
1. The faith is actually acting as a conduit for psychic energy, bypassing the blockage of the warp by the null field. (Think of it like a siege, but the people in the castle trained birds to bring them food, so it's bypassing the siege)
2. The null field blocks psychic power under x level, but because of the sisters level of power, they are over that and unaffected. This could be tested if an ultra powerful psycher was in one of these null fields
3. The sisters faith acts like its own internal warp, converting their emotions into raw power.
4. The sisters faith acts as a 'battery' that allows them to store warp energy for later use.
Probably a plot hole when it comes to the sisters. Celestine more or less showed she was warp powered. It wouldn't be the first time after all. *MATT WARD GREY KNIGHTS*
For part 1: I’m interested to see how the creation of more and more marines will simply change how marines are valued by the imperium.
I want to see how the intrigue surrounding Guilliman caused conflict with his own “legions.”
With part 2
I think the emperors key plans about the evolution of humans into immortal psychic beings is taking place.
The more warp tears and more psychic power spilling out over 10,000 years is seemingly coming to fruition.
I think that the emperors sacrifice was the final spark and that the gruelling conditions have been the continued fire.
I think that humanity is now evolving to the point that the emperor is not helping. However the society made after the horus heresy is denying this.
I think the coming of the necrons will be the showing of humanities true Strength.
Come on LT or others, thoughts?/
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My Lord, I came here as soon as I heard your summons!
"Ooooh myyyyyy"
‘Have the Sisters tapped into some latent psyker abilities?’ Don’t tell them that! XD
Lutein- "I... CANNOT... MOVE..."
for you to say its alot to keep up with has me feeling less worried about my own infant-like grasp of 40k
It was definitely a U-turn decision for GW. My brother almost quit playing 40K when he heard that first borns were slowly getting phased out. It definitely seemed like a money grab but after the whole "WARHAMMER IS FOR EVERYONE BUT... " they had alot of unhappy customers. This might be them showing us that they will listen if enough people yank their chain.
"A lot of unhappy customers" na, just dumb reactionaries screeching
@@Julez60 Sure buddy, keep thinking that.
I don't play the tabletop game but I got into the lore around 5 years ago. Now , many many books later , even a relative newcomer such as I was surprised at the changes GW came up with lore wise. It's not that change is bad or good , it depends on how it's implemented. In my opinion , GW is using a hammer ( pun intended) instead of a chisel to sculpt and give shape to the lore. It's natural that it will raise more than one eyebrow.
I wouldn't get too excited. They will likely still phase them out. The new god-awful looking grav "predators" seem to be a one to one replacement, signaling that this is happening.
We can probably still play with all of them as legends for a decade or so.
@@Julez60 Nah, just fans fighting against feminism's constant chaos-like corruption and destruction of their entertainment.
Maybe the +1 wound to firstborn is representing "false primaris", the equivalent of Luthor and the other Primarch adopted fathers who got the implants, but since they were already adult, they didn't get as much of a growth boost. In this vein, they have the coils and the Caul 1-up [hence the +1W] but didn't grow the extra 6" and thus can still fit in mk
I just want to point out that from now on, Chungus marines is the cannon name
"just needs the Emperor's holy bolters.."
yes.
I don't even play 40k but from listening to all these lore videos im very educated now lol. The way you lay out the information is very intriguing and makes alot of sense.
And this is how bad writing ultimately gave rise to the human WAAAAAAAAAAGH.
@@user-dg2ub7rn8i of course
I mostly just think Space Marines in general, were fairly under performing compared to other stuff, like Battle sisters or even guardsmen, all having one wound. Both a first born and primaris marine are both extremely tough compared to humans. I still think lore wise Primaris are tougher than first born, but not enough to give an extra wound. Personally I love the update for the game. 40k have a massive power scale, which just can't be represented in a d6 game. Great vid Luetin!
the heretical tone of this video is going to be overlooked because im painting my Imperial Knight as an Ultra Marine Psi-Titan because of you ....
@@JohnSmith-fs2tw he better start counting his days he has .. pfft what 40 .. 50k left ....
Please do a video on all the great defeats of the imperial fists as psy ops response to Valraks challenge
Furthermore: Ten Thousand years of belief emotion and Faith in a being that was not a God ten thousand years ago: Pretty much makes him a god by this point in time. I don't forsee any serious arguments that can counter that.
Here is faith...
Believing on Thursday, exactly what you believed on Tuesday...
...Regardless of anything that happened on Wednesday!
I wonder what the video is about, let me check the timeline
"Intro"
"Part1"
"Part2"
Just finished rewatching Astartes and was wondering what I should watch next, I know now
I wasn't that surprised by the "buff" that the firstborn got. Both the new stories about the Dark Angels and Flesh Tearers show that veteran firstborn straight up smack down Primaris because of a difference in experience.
About those "not-warp powers"
Makes me think about D&D
I'm going to assume that usual magic and powers in 40k are "arcane magic" and the powers shown by the sororitas are "divine magic" it is often said in D&D that clerics channel magic from their god, but is also said that one can be a "cleric from a philosophy" much like paladins, whose magic comes from faith and determination alone. This can be rationalized in many ways, but as you may have realized by this point, it is hard to me to explain this stuff in your language.
This is a "look it up" i think?
Give me a like if you are interested so i can give you a couple of pages to read
Stay safe luetin!
Love to see Luetin content come in
the manner in which GW introduced the lore for Primaris never felt right to me. i'm totally cool with the concept and i think redesigning the minis and stuff is awesome as technology in the process makes for better sculpts and stuff, but making it not possible for primaris to ride in land raiders or 1st born able to ride in repulsors and stuff like that just didn't feel well thought out.
there is no in lore reason primaris cannot ride in certain vehicles, purely rules
21:30 Maybe the SoB's powers are unique to them and not other Imp psychers, something like the Orks, "We believe it, therefore it's true", And doesn't require the warp.
Maybe Stern's / the sisters psychic might is making a mini warp inside the null zone? Like maybe the warp is cut off from inside there, but that just makes it empty where the warp should be and she's filling it with crazy emperor energy.
tl;dr:
Some book: Sororitas are immune to null field because of faith
Luetin: And I took that personally
I thought the technical name for "First-born" marine was "mini-marine". You can learn something new every day. 😄
They're still mini marines. If you chop the legs off of intercessors, they too can become cheaper in points.
Or the neo thunder warriors
@@captainanopheles4307 nah primaris would be like MK4, there was a thing before thunder warriors, then thunder warriors, then manlet marines, and now primaris
I have been thinking for the last two or three years that the “faith” based powers and saints are drawing on a dimension other than the Warp. This is where “The Star Child” is coming into existence.
You better keep up and make this your main job cause we need you master to guide us through and enlighten us
Hi Luetin, this occured to me whilst listening and re-listening to your lore vids. What if faith in the emperor changes the frequency of warp energy?
This would explain why blackstone nullified warp energy at Cadia resulting in the banishment of lesser warp entities but it did not banish St. Celestine. It would also explain the Adepus Sororitas and Imperial miracles in the Pariah Nexus. Of all the Imperial forces the Sororitas are the most zealot in their faith; also the Imperium and Emperor, by Necron timescale, has only occured in a blink of an eye so this is something new to them.
I think it's somewhat important to also note that in the novel by Gav Thorpe which accompanied the Indomitus box, the space marines there were also able to resist the necron pylons to a significant degree, and were also able to help normal humans/guardsmen resist the null field as well. While they weren't manifesting any powers, it seems like the ability of trained and indoctrinated imperial forces who, for all intents, have fully and willfully committed their lives to the Imperium simply have the sheer willpower to resist the null fields better. It isn't too far of a leap to imagine that humans so united in purpose and buoyed by faith could tap into some kind of gestalt energy in a similar manner to orcs fueling a Waghhhh; in keeping with this thought, it's quite clear that this power manifests within specific characters (i.e. Celestine, or similarly higher ranked sisters) who perhaps might have the subconscious ability to draw upon the faith and emotional wellspring of those around them in the same manner that a Weirdboy pulls upon the fervor or the orcish hordes. This could also potentially explain how miracles seemingly happen in proximity to the sisters, in much the same way that orcs can simply will red vehicles to go faster; the pooled strength of their collective emotion/faith (not pulled from the warp) powers these phenomena and helps to empower the quasi-divine figures like the living saints.
Could it be that humanities “faith” create a similar field as wargh energy
My thoughts exacrly
All humans are psykers after all.
I mean, it was obvious since almost all sentient races have a presence in the warp. The Emperor is near a god now because humanity has collectively believed so for more than 9 thousand years, the only thing preventing this from happening is the Emperor himself being tethered to his body and his will to not lose even a nanosecond from his 10 thousand years concentration to keep the Astronomicom and the Golden Throne functioning.
@@NueThunderKing Emps doesn't charge the Astronomicon, sacrificed psykers do. The Astronomicon since its creation consumed psykers. The Golden throne is a life support device, it doesn't control the Astronomicon. Nor does Emps fuel the fuel the throne its psykers. Emps keeps the massive warp rift underneath the Golden palace mostly shut. Daemon incursions still happen but thats what the Custodes are for.
@@garretth8224 the Emps will is what concentrates the psychic energies into the Astronomicon, and what keeps the Golden Throne (which is probably a man made webway door) closed. The Golden Throne was modified to keep the Emps "alive", but that function is secondary, the primary one is being a gate.
I feel like there a lot of "collective conscious" and other similar occult concepts that run deep through the 40k universe. It's actually my head canon that Hermes Trismigestus was one of the Emperor's earliest personas, so maybe there actually is a parallel there.
"all things in moderation", except when we talk about the phasing/notphasing of first born marines. its like a 5 min loop o_o
Change is the only constant. The best thing we can do find the things we like in those changes. Wanted nothing to change in your favorite things is only setting yourself up for failure.
I must say your a talented narrator. Amazing content and visuals are on point you have gotten me interested in the 40k universe.
necrons: weve rendered your psychic abilities useless!
sisters: haha faith in emperor go brrrrrrrr
The Lore explanation for "trash Marines" suddenly becoming stronger is, obviously, a combination of iron will and even more steroids.
I mean, they used to be Toughness 3 and only had a 4+ armor save. Getting 2 Wounds just sounds like power creep because they are supposed to be better than everything else.
@@ScooterinAB: I dunno, it seems reasonable for a cybernetic super-soldier wearing power armor to be able to get shot more than once without automatically bleeding to death.
I feel like it was something that should have existed for the longest time, since it didn't really make sense how a Space Marine squad could easily be killed by Guardsmen if they rolled lucky and the same for Terminators that were stupidly expensive points wise for how easily they could generally be killed by most things. Yet in lore they are said to kill hundreds of enemies by themselves and yet Tau infantry could kill them in melee by beating them to death with the butts of their rifles I guess with a few dice rolls and some unlucky saves, so much for that amazing Super Solider armor and extra organs.
I don't think this has anything to do with the new lore itself as much as fixing it to be more in line with old basic lore and is simply a balancing thing in the table top game to keep them relevant while buffing Generic Chaos as a whole since they wouldn't instantly be getting Primaris stuff for a while.
I'd suspect it's lazy writing with the whole faith thing. We saw in the final events of the fall in Cadia that Celestine's faith powers were stripped by a very similar kind of null field when she was fighting Abbadon. Two similar events with very different results.
Good fun to speculate though ^-^
Oh, and one more thing, Ephrael Stern overwhelmed a Culexus Assassin tried to "eat her soul" and was overwhelmed and burned out from it.
Since you were bringing up the argument of tabletop rules as part of the lore of the Primaris, one could argue that the Sisters of Battle do not use psychic powers and their miracle dice still work and can not be blocked. Healing deadly wounds, rallying the forces, guiding their shots and making their bolter rounds extra leathal are a common thing. In addition one could also argue that there is alot of smoke and mirrors going on, as far as some of the visuals are concerned. A display of pyrotechnics and a sophisticated laser show will make a guardman believe to have witnessed a true wonder.
Even the Sisters may not be aware of the fact that some of the things they do are contributed to technology and only their faith in the emperor makes them believe they actually perform miracles.
"He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology." I take this sentence as a reference to the forgotten technology underpinning the Golden Throne's power. The EoM, while very powerful, is not working alone. So maybe this is an example of Clarke's 3rd law, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." It's fair to say that since the psychic awakening EoM and the Golden Throne are sucking down more and better quality psychers. Just suckin up good uncut psycher souls like a coke head in Vegas. So EoM is not a God, he's a badass who's cheating death using forgotten tech sitting on top of a pile of psycher bodies. (I'm locking my door now.)
Perhaps the Sororitas have thus unrevealed armor characteristics or all carry a relic that is imbued with this forgotten tech that resonates with the EoM/GT and overcomes the null effect. Perhaps the recent better quality soul juice is amping the EoM, coupled with the Sororitas' rock hard faith is how they resonate, match, connect, and amplify, and why it hasn't happened much before. I've seen vibrations and resonance used to explain Eldar and Necron tech. Maybe it's something like that here? Anyway, thanks for the discussion topic LT, great vid!
Ah, Clarktech.
The only tech worth keeping around... because you can't make any more of it...
Well...if the Emperor let His Light go out, maybe He could regenerate? But He feels He must keep shining the Light.
Prediction:
There may be a stat and lore difference between different marines based off what geneseed they have example
First born: Those that hold the original geneseed are seen has betters compared to the primaris stock. Because they hold flawed gene traits they are seen as stronger because of the constant test to their will power(wulfen curse and the black rage for example)as well as having it be honorary(I descend from those who served our father during the great crusade- not those who were vat grown in Cawl's lab!). In crunch terms HQs with firstborn geneseed might have greater leadership, wounds or weapon skills. Instead of deleting the past and pretending it never happened, we can keep the interesting flavors of the different chapters.
Its better than "he's trying to turn us into red ultramarines"
But then you have primaris death company and primaris showing wulfen traits, either way why wouldn't you want to turn a marine into primaris? Even if it's just a bit better that's still...better, either way grabbing an aspraint and giving them firstborn organs or the primaris extra ones it's the same marine in the end, just one is better
@@busterbackster1 i should be more specific-
They would have everything a Primaris have but their specific geneseed would be the firstborn one. Like the black Templars could have a aspirant with leadership qualities and gift him with both primaris organs and their original slightly flawed imperial fist geneseed(I think they're missing the betcher's gland?) They would perhaps name him "Son of Sigismund" to honor his heritage, while those with Cawl's "fixed" geneseed would be called "Cawl's creation".
This also creates interesting internal conflicts as founding chapters uphold they're flaws as superior to those without flaws
"What is good about the black rage and the red thirst?"
"The red thirst allows us to bond with one another in our communions to further our discipline with the black rage. If we never feel the black rage...how will we ever feel a connection to our father?"
So humies have their own waaaargh field now, a Reeeeee energy field
Faith can be explained quite simply: the warp, also known as the see of souls, is a reflection of the materium and psykers reach into it to use its power in a particular way. Faith on the other hand strengthens ones own soul and charges it as a battery outside the warp. The faithfull can then draw upon the power of their own soul to perform mirracles.
Great video!
Still i‘ve got some ideas.
- there is a third realm to the materium and the immaterium
- sob dont need to connect to the Warp because they use the emp as a conduit to the material realm
- sob are already fuled with warp power and dont Need to connect with the warp to weild it
- the null Field does not Block everything from the warp (maybe intentionaly)
And some notes. In Flight of the eisenstein it is Noted that sister of silence cause an unease feeling when near normal people.
Though it seems weird to me that the null field may causes a stronger effect then they do.
Its like a less than a vacuum problem to me.
The entire nature of the null effect seems kinda blurry to me.