Any cooling that brings the CPU below ambient temperature is risky for daily use because you run the risk if getting to close to dew point (temperature at which atmospheric moisture condenses). If below zero, even worse. Stick to "common" cooling solutions.
I always think these should be started with a disclaimer about dry ice. If you're playing with dry ice, please do not do it in an enclosed space with little to no ventilation. Dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide which is heavier than air and can build up, causing the air to have less oxygen in it. Not trying to be alarmist. You're probably fine as long as you're in a decently ventilated area, but it's just something to consider. Don't do it in a small room with no airflow or you might fall asleep and never wake up
It also expands thousands of times going frm solid to gas, so it is REALLY easy to fill a small space with CO2. All thats why you dont see more cryofog on stage despite it being without doubt the best fog
You really don't want too much acetone on your skin though (I take for granted that you're dealing with pure acetone here, otherwise conductivity could be an issue). I used to work with pure acetone at a foundry, for stripping wax from polished parts. In my case it was a matter of punctured gloves, and once you've had that stuff on your hands for a few minutes... don't make a fist or closed grasp. You'll be regretting it for weeks, those bleeding cracks over every joint takes forever to heal.
The trick to using extreme cooling such as dry ice is to encase the motherboard in a vacuum chamber. This would eliminate the possibility of condensation. (It's very easy to make a vacuum chamber there are many videos on UA-cam - such as "Custom Vacuum Chamber" skip past the 1st 2 min as he shows his old failed chamber 1st). Once the motherboard is installed inside a vacuum (where the air is removed) the surrounding "space" no longer has moisture in it (as it was all removed by the pump). Please note in a vacuum there is no air to blow - so if using fans (such as on a chipset) you'll also need to rig something up to those such as liquid nitrogen / dry ice to cool the videocard/chipset/VRM's. As for getting the the cables/power cord to the motherboard - a Plexiglass vacuum chamber still works if you drill very tight holes for the cables then use silicon to seal them in place. (Silicone is easy to remove later if you wish to remove the cables as well) - Yes this does work as you can see here: ua-cam.com/video/VpIM1WhmqGk/v-deo.html UPDATE: I am getting many responses where people are saying this would never work or this or that would be an issue. However upon reading their comments it seems clear that all of them (so far) really have no idea how a vacuum chamber works. I have watched countless videos about vacuum chambers for many years done by DIY enthusiasts to University professors. And I have a firm grasp of how they work and so I have written a number of responses to the various comments to correct all their erroneous beliefs which are obviously based on assumptions they made without knowing all the facts. So if your also in doubt or disbelieve about if a motherboard could work in a vacuum please read my replies below. ALSO I'll give you a hint now: SOLIDS: such as metal and rock are NOT subject to expansion or contraction due to a vacuum (they only expand or contract *slightly* from heat or cold) - hence we see asteroids/meteors in space not affected by the vacuum - as well as various metal objects in space - like space stations, satellites, and telescopes - ALL containing electronics including motherboards which work perfectly fine in the vacuum of space. GASES & LIQUIDS however are affected (causing expansion & or contraction) by all of these extremes HEAT / COLD -and- VACUUM / PRESSURE. Think of a vacuum as the opposite of being deep in the ocean. In the deep of an ocean - water pressure is CRUSHING inward. Yet drop a boulder (made of rock) or sink a ship into the ocean and it sinks to the bottom unaffected. However if that boat contained a pocket of air sealed inside an air tight room it would be crushed. So they invented submarines made of metal and glass (glass is a form of rock) which withstand the pressure fine. In a vacuum it's the opposite of deep water - instead of crushing pressure it's expanding outward pressure. And BOTH of these extremes ONLY affect items containing "GASES" OR "LIQUIDS" which are subject to EXPANSION and COMPRESSION - METAL and ROCK are not subject to expansion or contraction due to a vacuumwhich is what video cards/motherboards/ram are ALL MADE from.
I am not saying it will not work, but how is that a better "Trick" than simply putting Vaseline on stuff? Idk man, that is overly complicated, and also (as you said) creates the problem of cooling anything on the board that needs a fan, which opens even more work. Crafting a plexiglass case, splicing cables and drilling holes than soldering cables and closing the holes is plenty, plus since the chamber will be from many plexiglass panels it will not be perfectly vacuum too. Keep in mind that if you drill a hole big enough to stick a 8 pin cable trough it, no matter how much silicone you put, if your vacuum is good, it will suck the silicone right in and you are screwed. It MAY work, just like many other things, like driving your car on whiskey instead of gasoline. Is it practical? Nope. Does it pose more risks than problems it solves? Yes. I am not saying I am a professional or smth, but I haven't seen Der8auer or Kingpin use vacuum chambers and they do just fine.
As for your comment about it being overly complicated - have you seen the lengths Jayz goes to in his videos? Just look at this video he's got all sorts of cooling going on. Not only is he using dry ice on the CPU but he's also using a cooler full of ice with a bunch of water cooling radiators buried under the ice (to pump very cold liquid cooling to the GPU). Also look at all the effort he has to do to prepare the motherboard/GPU/RAM etc for condensation - he has to cut all sorts of sizes of paper towels, fold them, roll them, tape them, and wrap the video cards etc. Then there's the need for the thermal heating pad, Vaseline, foam etc. So I don't see why you'd think building a simple vacuum chamber is so much effort for this channel. With out the worry of condensation - perhaps he could get temps even lower than other record holders - and possibly beat their scores? (It's most certainly not practical to use dry ice to cool a CPU yet you obviously watched the video & did not complain.) New discoveries are made by pioneers - and risk takers achieve new records. (For example the guy who designed the liquid nitrogen chamber for this CPU - his pioneering efforts made it possible to cool a CPU to these low temps and achieve such high clock rates.) (Not that this suggestion is intended for "beating" other peoples records/scores for "fame" - but rather it's a suggestion made out of curiosity - to see how far the hardware can go.) Also please note that Plexiglass comes in all sorts of thicknesses. Including (if you had searched UA-cam for "Custom Vacuum Chamber") you'd see the plexiglass to use is 3/4 inch thick (you can achieve an almost perfect vacuum with plexiglass if you seal all the sides with silicone). The UA-cam Channel "The Action Lab" uses a custom made plexiglass vacuum chamber in many of his videos using the same 3/4 inch thick walls. As for your complaint about silicone getting sucked through the cable holes - I suggest you check out the "King Of Random" UA-cam Channel and search for the video titled "Electricity in a Vacuum Chamber" They have a working vacuum chamber with holes drilled through the plexiglass which are then sealed with silicone (well silicone mixed with corn starch to thicken it up) They manage to reach an almost full vacuum and the silicone does not get sucked through. At this level of vacuum it would be more than enough that all moisture would be removed - making it safe to use liquid nitrogen or dry ice. Also you can watch "How To Build A Vacuum Chamber, That Sucks" on "The King Of Random" channel again he uses the same 3/4 inch plexiglass & silicone which is used in many of his successful vacuum chamber videos. *One last small footnote - with so much plastic polluting the planet/oceans etc. it would be nice to see someone use plant resin to make plexiglass instead of using traditional petroleum based resin - as plant resin based plastic bio-degrades if left to the elements - and petroleum based takes 25-35 years (or more) to break down. Which is the main problem with traditional plastic.
As air pressure drops, electrical conductivity increases, up until you down to around 1/100th an atmosphere. So unless you get a very good vacuum you run the risk of frying your computer. Similar problem this youtuber ran into with putting a microwave in a vacuum chamber ua-cam.com/video/JSR7I1PEh1w/v-deo.html
"JCB 136" - Perhaps you should educate yourself better before speaking your "opinion" - Because as you can see from these videos solid state electronics electronics run fine inside a vacuum (here are just a few quick examples): 1st one is a cell phone running inside a vacuum without issues: ua-cam.com/video/_1REFC5lI2U/v-deo.html 2nd you can see a Bluetooth speaker running fine inside a vacuum chamber. ua-cam.com/video/657caNs8nRY/v-deo.html Home made vacuum chambers are far from perfect vacuums like space - however they are strong enough to remove all the moisture. AND as you can see they DO WORK. Here's how to build a quick and easy home made vacuum chamber ua-cam.com/video/ERRMoHfrjAI/v-deo.html - which you can witness it functioning yourself.
There is nothing fake about these plexiglass/perpex vacuum chambers - as they do work. For example there is no way to "fake" these expanding marshmallows under vacuum as seen here ua-cam.com/video/OuHBzK-LK24/v-deo.html (also at the end he reintroduces normal pressure and the marshmallows condense)
Jay = Dedication, all of that work for bragging rights, LOVE your video and dedication Jay. Soon Jay will not only be the king of water cooling but of OC.
The Kingpin Cooling T-Rex Pot is the perfect pot for the HCC/XCC CPUs. I was actually one of the prototype testers. The temp control under LN2 with a good torching is insane. Put it to good use. The heater plate is almost a necessity for your setup. It'll save you a lot of headaches. Enjoy and push those clocks!
Hi, youtube! Is anyone else wondering when Jay will post the video for LOUQUE ghost's temps test and stuff? Jay, you got me pumped for this, I am also on a brink of stepping up my RIG game. Do not want to drop loads of money on a case that will choke my system. Also, want to see see you excited yet again for this build. Get on it asap, if you will. Cheers, on my toes for any new video from you!
he didn't have issues with TIM the chat said don;t use liquid metal so he didn't then he had a bad mount on the ln2 pod once he remounted it it worked well
Overclock in Alaska/Montana/North Dakota in the winter with the windows open. Run the cables under a door, set up your peripherals in the adjacent room. Tape up/seal the openings around the door. Ambient will be around -30 in a deep winter condition. Air cannot contain water at that temperature, no condensation concerns.
Why not put the whole system in mineral oil, then cool the oil down to dry ice levels? Sounds like a good idea but i havent seen anyone do that. That way even your ram could be cold.
KillTyrant Haha well Jay isn’t wrong is he? Can’t cuddle everyone in a big fuzzy blanket and answer obvious questions as nice as possible. Besides, dude did answer his own question anyway.
I love these custom water cooling videos. I only recently started getting into water cooling on my channel, so I love to see videos that take it to a whole other level!
It's called a cooling bath, or more commonly known as a dry ice slushy. I use them all the time in my lab to freeze out different compounds. You can use many different organic solvents to achieve different low temperatures. I primarily use propanol (concentrated rubbing alcohol). You can do the same thing with LN2 and organic solvents. Wikipedia has a good list of cooling baths with different organic solvents and dry ice or LN2.
@JayzTwoCents , im very glad to see a serious UA-camr doing some SubZero runs :) . I wish Overclocking would pick up again in South Africa but the support for it has been horrible . Ended up selling off most of my LN2 and DICE pots , haven't gone subzero in a long time but you have actually motivated me to do so again :) . Time to get out the piggy bank and get some benching done .. Keep it up bro
Congratulations Jay, I saw the new score on the leader board so I was waiting for the video to appear. At least you can put your Mobo in the dishwasher to clean all the Vaseline off.
Can't believe you killed a dark MB. It's an upside down world when a few UA-cam reviewers have everything and non-UA-cam users have to beg and borrow to acquire anything. Glad you're having fun.
@@piers389 its a compliment to women and or attractive items so the next time you see a girl you can say wow youre looking thicc today and you will get a smile
its done, hes talked about that already. hes just waiting on Post to finish whatever hes up to so they can plan something for Jay to bring him the computer
If i were a youtuber i would prolly be pretty reluctant to use gallons of something known to be an extremely potent global warming forcer. Whatever you think of the matter (and if you are a denier you disagree with 97% of scientists) That is going to attract unwanted adverse attention
And the tech community tends to be educated and affluent and thats also the people that care most about climate change, FYI. Dont worry kid, ive abused hardware in ways you couldnt even imagine. Just wouldnt be a good look just now
You can try to use M3 Immersion cooling. If you put a board with an installed pipe in the aquarium with M3 and fill pipe with LN2, then the stand will get rid of condensation and all parts will receive additional cooling. Even the part under the processor socket.
They will be less messy but at the same time they cant go as down as LN2 does. There is a cooler out there that uses peliter. It requires 6-pin PCIE power connector to run . Efficiency is the only issue to use em for 24/7.
Peltier coolers are useless when working with high energy consumption like with this CPU. Peltier coolers are not that efficient in transferring heat and therefor consume power themselves, making the total heat output even higher then that of the CPU itself (up to a factor three depending on the quality of the peltier elements). So you would need even more extreem cooling to cool the peltier cooler which is cooling the CPU.
Hey! Maybe you should setup a liquid cooling transport that goes to dry ice outside of the motherboard area and into a radiator surrounded by dry ice? Course you might need a liquid that resist freezing and likely need a high speed transfer, so the cool from the dry ice can quickly get to the processor while the heat can get out, without going faster then the heat transfer can occur. It might be a dumb idea, but the over kill sized radiator setup you did a while back, that simply overran diminishing return worked so well, might as well try it out for fun. If it doesn't work well, you can say we did it and verified it! and had fun doing it!
But Jay .... Jay Jay Jay!!! If you go Dry Ice then GN will go LN2 and then you will go Helium and then GN will loose because Helium is too expensive... anyway, dont make this a competition of ''I have more money than you'' kind of thing.
So, just a thought from someone whose never built an overclocking PC... The biggest hurdle to keep the MB happy seems to be keeping the water vapor/condensation to a bare minimum, so this may just be a crazy idea from someone who dabbles in welding. If you could put the MB/Graphics card assembly in a tote full of argon gas, basically immersing the board in a fluid that water vapor has a very hard time existing in. Helium may be another viable option, but argon tends to sit in a tub better than most gasous fluids.
so why use acetone which freezes at -139 f or -95 c when you could have used rubbing alcohol which freezes at -173F ? would rubbing alcohol give you colder temps?
i used normal copper piping for my dry ice build in past for 290x overclock; with manual motor (basically you turn the handle and ethanol gets moved through the loop from the reservoir which is just a copper pot) Much safer than what you did there. I was running on extender for pci-e slot; so i had only smear my gpu pcb with vaseline.
Me, but its only because all the Trident Z 3600 kits were sold out... (Actually they had 1 kit left, but I needed 2, and I didn't want to run mix-matched ram in quad channel). I may have to buy some RGB heatsinks for them, its going in my show build, "ThreadREAPER" with quad GPU water cooled and the CPU will be running sub-zero cooling for daily (I need to test on LN2 and DICE to see if the temps help scaling, but I use phase cooling for dialy builds, and my FX has been doing longevity tests at 1.7 Vcore and rarely ever peaks the core temp above 0c, so I think its giving me the green-light on the Threadripper chilled for my daily system).
I must be ober monster than as i dont have rgb memory/case fans/graphics card has them on it but they are disabled i get it a way to customize your rig etc but its not for me i grew up in the late 80s and 90s i have seen more than enough fucking neon lights to last a life time.
ok so, i know it sounds messy, but if your pot stops leaking it might be viable: try adding salt. normal table salt (NaCl) to your acetone dryice mix. it wil get the temps even lower, proabably close to the freezing point of acetone itself if you are not carfull.
I had an Idea, lots of people have liquid cooling systems but don't have a liquid cooled motherboard! Removing fans to install AIO's can actually be bad for the board as sometimes it looses some fan cooling in some areas! What about a waterfall, mount the motherboard at an angle, and run oil down it, into a reservoir Which then pumps it back to the top, think about it, done properly their is real potential! I have some other awesome ideas I'm not sharing on here, message me for details! Linus will try it if you don't, I recommended it here first 👌👍👌
Oh snap! High school science finally paying off. Jayz use small chunks with a lot of surface area : mass to cool quickly (your PC or drink) and use large chunks with smaller surface area : mass to keep it cooler longer. Ice can increase in temp or melt but not both at the same time.
Shame this wasn't kept for another Live stream to keep in the spirit of the previous one. Seeing the process, how things didn't go to plan and tackling the problems is what made the live stream so viewed I think.
@jayztwocents you should have cooled down the acetone in dry ice first, then pour in the acetone, and finally used more dry ice to keep the temp stable
Acetone works better than rubbing alcohol in some ways... but rubbing alcohol made it a very cold slurry when I tried it that was almost gel-like and easier to manage.
Love these videos, and even stayed up into the early hours of the live stream. It’s fun watching someone else do this because if it was your own and you did not have deep pockets be 💩 bricks. Can’t help but think of Walter White getting the cook just right when I watch this. 👍🏻
Do open a window while you're doing that, Jay. It takes way less excess carbon dioxide in the air to affect your breathing than the nitrogen you were using previously. And acetone vapour also gets pretty unpleasant after a while.
good content man. watched allot of your videos over the years. was pleased when i saw a video about the fx series if it was still viable. because i currently ran with the 4350. either way. your a legit source of content and i finally came around to subscribe. keep up the good stuff
Back with the first gen i7 920 and EVGA Classified 760, I could easily get bench stable @ 5.3GHZ from 2.66. Not bad, also took way more voltage knowledge...and luck than today. That rig just bit it after almost 9 years of service. RIP.
Have you thought about building a "dry" chamber with a sealed channel for your pot, and bulkheads for your cables then purging it with nitrogen? NO condensation no matter how cold you go.
You should take the paste to 80°C unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer in this circumstance. In the real world you should carefully take compound to the thermal limit of the device you're cooling to ensure it won't fail.
So...buy a few gallons of acetone and fill air to water heat exhanger then put it in 50lbs of dry ice and run with no coolant. Tip for cleetus mcfarland 7.5 sec run.
@JayzTwoCents I never comment on videos, literally never and I really want that motherboard stand!!! I watch your videos all the time while doing whatever n stuff. :) Actually paused at 5:33 to comment...
I am really glad you didn't blow yourself up. Acetone is very explosive. One spark and BOOM. When I saw that component that started smoking, I thought Bye Bye Jay. Acetone is also not good to inhale, so I hope you were joking and staying away from the fumes. That's what beauty parlors used to remove fingernail polish (Lacquer) and you know how ditsy some of those ladies could be. Then they started putting in exhaust hoods, which was a good move.
More important!!! Linus, Jay, Paul, Steve, Joker, Kyle are all dropping the ball on this one. Do you know, or are you able to test 2080 TIs in SLI to see if we they are still completely GPU bottlenecked at 4K, Single card, yes but can you finally see CPU scaling between the 8700k and the 9900k or even the Ryzen 2700k in SLI?
Instead of using Vaseline and a toothbrush to protect your board, you should get some conformal coating. Protecting electronics from water is what it's made for. All you need to remember is to mask off or cover your slots and plugs if you are using a spray.
I've just upgraded to my first water-cooled system and started doing manual overclocking, then stumbled upon this video.... What terrifying rabbit hole am I going down?!
If you somehow set up a test bench in a vacuum chamber you can eliminate the development of condensation. That will allow you to focus of the thermal conduction by not having to compromise in order to get around the problem of moister.
Gosh darn i was about to use dry ice to cool my main rig but than you said it wasnt recommend. Thank you for saving my computer
Any cooling that brings the CPU below ambient temperature is risky for daily use because you run the risk if getting to close to dew point (temperature at which atmospheric moisture condenses). If below zero, even worse. Stick to "common" cooling solutions.
@@NothingXemnas unless you're linus.
Drew142 cool
Nick Newman that’s not even racist..
Crisis averted
I always think these should be started with a disclaimer about dry ice. If you're playing with dry ice, please do not do it in an enclosed space with little to no ventilation. Dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide which is heavier than air and can build up, causing the air to have less oxygen in it. Not trying to be alarmist. You're probably fine as long as you're in a decently ventilated area, but it's just something to consider. Don't do it in a small room with no airflow or you might fall asleep and never wake up
It also expands thousands of times going frm solid to gas, so it is REALLY easy to fill a small space with CO2.
All thats why you dont see more cryofog on stage despite it being without doubt the best fog
Joke's on you, I wish I didn't wake up
@@mycosys more likely it's simply due to cost, Making sure you have adequate ventilation is trivial for a setup like that.
LOL no - its because 'adequate ventilation' would also sweep away the fog. You need a large area for cryofog. But what would a stage tech know
BTW - cryofog is the cheapest way to make fog - all you need is a hot water urn and dry ice
non RGB, that's at least a 10% performance drop, damn.
"Motherboard reads 'FF' below 0 Degrees" Yeah, it stands for "Freakin' Freezing"
I know you may woosh me.
this is my theory:
but I think the F stands for zero, and when it says that it probably means not available, or error.
@@coows nope, ff is 255. that happens because it's an integer underflow. it's not meant to go below 0 so it loops back to the highest possible value.
I hear the best OC trick is to put your motherboard in the dishwasher.
de8aur
*der8auer
i mean, it wont hurt anything all that much
Top rack only.
maybe doing oc on artic
You really don't want too much acetone on your skin though (I take for granted that you're dealing with pure acetone here, otherwise conductivity could be an issue). I used to work with pure acetone at a foundry, for stripping wax from polished parts. In my case it was a matter of punctured gloves, and once you've had that stuff on your hands for a few minutes... don't make a fist or closed grasp. You'll be regretting it for weeks, those bleeding cracks over every joint takes forever to heal.
“Good game, now hold up let me drop more dry ice in my pc”
i don t think extreme overclocking like this was so known and famous before these vids from jay and gamer nexus..really nice what u guys did .
Its not as cold as my ex GF's heart though.
J Manuel Villarreal damn what can i say rip boi.
But the important thing is your not bitter about it though
That's some pussy ass shit J Manuel
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Damn boii!
I love that you are doing dry ice and have done ln2. Those are so awesome to watch.
The trick to using extreme cooling such as dry ice is to encase the motherboard in a vacuum chamber. This would eliminate the possibility of condensation. (It's very easy to make a vacuum chamber there are many videos on UA-cam - such as "Custom Vacuum Chamber" skip past the 1st 2 min as he shows his old failed chamber 1st). Once the motherboard is installed inside a vacuum (where the air is removed) the surrounding "space" no longer has moisture in it (as it was all removed by the pump). Please note in a vacuum there is no air to blow - so if using fans (such as on a chipset) you'll also need to rig something up to those such as liquid nitrogen / dry ice to cool the videocard/chipset/VRM's. As for getting the the cables/power cord to the motherboard - a Plexiglass vacuum chamber still works if you drill very tight holes for the cables then use silicon to seal them in place. (Silicone is easy to remove later if you wish to remove the cables as well) - Yes this does work as you can see here: ua-cam.com/video/VpIM1WhmqGk/v-deo.html
UPDATE: I am getting many responses where people are saying this would never work or this or that would be an issue. However upon reading their comments it seems clear that all of them (so far) really have no idea how a vacuum chamber works. I have watched countless videos about vacuum chambers for many years done by DIY enthusiasts to University professors. And I have a firm grasp of how they work and so I have written a number of responses to the various comments to correct all their erroneous beliefs which are obviously based on assumptions they made without knowing all the facts.
So if your also in doubt or disbelieve about if a motherboard could work in a vacuum please read my replies below.
ALSO I'll give you a hint now:
SOLIDS: such as metal and rock are NOT subject to expansion or contraction due to a vacuum (they only expand or contract *slightly* from heat or cold) - hence we see asteroids/meteors in space not affected by the vacuum - as well as various metal objects in space - like space stations, satellites, and telescopes - ALL containing electronics including motherboards which work perfectly fine in the vacuum of space.
GASES & LIQUIDS however are affected (causing expansion & or contraction) by all of these extremes HEAT / COLD -and- VACUUM / PRESSURE.
Think of a vacuum as the opposite of being deep in the ocean. In the deep of an ocean - water pressure is CRUSHING inward. Yet drop a boulder (made of rock) or sink a ship into the ocean and it sinks to the bottom unaffected. However if that boat contained a pocket of air sealed inside an air tight room it would be crushed. So they invented submarines made of metal and glass (glass is a form of rock) which withstand the pressure fine.
In a vacuum it's the opposite of deep water - instead of crushing pressure it's expanding outward pressure. And BOTH of these extremes ONLY affect items containing "GASES" OR "LIQUIDS" which are subject to EXPANSION and COMPRESSION - METAL and ROCK are not subject to expansion or contraction due to a vacuumwhich is what video cards/motherboards/ram are ALL MADE from.
I am not saying it will not work, but how is that a better "Trick" than simply putting Vaseline on stuff?
Idk man, that is overly complicated, and also (as you said) creates the problem of cooling anything on the board that needs a fan, which opens even more work. Crafting a plexiglass case, splicing cables and drilling holes than soldering cables and closing the holes is plenty, plus since the chamber will be from many plexiglass panels it will not be perfectly vacuum too. Keep in mind that if you drill a hole big enough to stick a 8 pin cable trough it, no matter how much silicone you put, if your vacuum is good, it will suck the silicone right in and you are screwed.
It MAY work, just like many other things, like driving your car on whiskey instead of gasoline. Is it practical? Nope. Does it pose more risks than problems it solves? Yes. I am not saying I am a professional or smth, but I haven't seen Der8auer or Kingpin use vacuum chambers and they do just fine.
As for your comment about it being overly complicated - have you seen the lengths Jayz goes to in his videos? Just look at this video he's got all sorts of cooling going on. Not only is he using dry ice on the CPU but he's also using a cooler full of ice with a bunch of water cooling radiators buried under the ice (to pump very cold liquid cooling to the GPU). Also look at all the effort he has to do to prepare the motherboard/GPU/RAM etc for condensation - he has to cut all sorts of sizes of paper towels, fold them, roll them, tape them, and wrap the video cards etc. Then there's the need for the thermal heating pad, Vaseline, foam etc. So I don't see why you'd think building a simple vacuum chamber is so much effort for this channel. With out the worry of condensation - perhaps he could get temps even lower than other record holders - and possibly beat their scores? (It's most certainly not practical to use dry ice to cool a CPU yet you obviously watched the video & did not complain.) New discoveries are made by pioneers - and risk takers achieve new records. (For example the guy who designed the liquid nitrogen chamber for this CPU - his pioneering efforts made it possible to cool a CPU to these low temps and achieve such high clock rates.)
(Not that this suggestion is intended for "beating" other peoples records/scores for "fame" - but rather it's a suggestion made out of curiosity - to see how far the hardware can go.)
Also please note that Plexiglass comes in all sorts of thicknesses. Including (if you had searched UA-cam for "Custom Vacuum Chamber") you'd see the plexiglass to use is 3/4 inch thick (you can achieve an almost perfect vacuum with plexiglass if you seal all the sides with silicone). The UA-cam Channel "The Action Lab" uses a custom made plexiglass vacuum chamber in many of his videos using the same 3/4 inch thick walls.
As for your complaint about silicone getting sucked through the cable holes - I suggest you check out the "King Of Random" UA-cam Channel and search for the video titled "Electricity in a Vacuum Chamber" They have a working vacuum chamber with holes drilled through the plexiglass which are then sealed with silicone (well silicone mixed with corn starch to thicken it up) They manage to reach an almost full vacuum and the silicone does not get sucked through. At this level of vacuum it would be more than enough that all moisture would be removed - making it safe to use liquid nitrogen or dry ice.
Also you can watch "How To Build A Vacuum Chamber, That Sucks" on "The King Of Random" channel again he uses the same 3/4 inch plexiglass & silicone which is used in many of his successful vacuum chamber videos.
*One last small footnote - with so much plastic polluting the planet/oceans etc. it would be nice to see someone use plant resin to make plexiglass instead of using traditional petroleum based resin - as plant resin based plastic bio-degrades if left to the elements - and petroleum based takes 25-35 years (or more) to break down. Which is the main problem with traditional plastic.
As air pressure drops, electrical conductivity increases, up until you down to around 1/100th an atmosphere. So unless you get a very good vacuum you run the risk of frying your computer.
Similar problem this youtuber ran into with putting a microwave in a vacuum chamber ua-cam.com/video/JSR7I1PEh1w/v-deo.html
"JCB 136" - Perhaps you should educate yourself better before speaking your "opinion" - Because as you can see from these videos solid state electronics electronics run fine inside a vacuum (here are just a few quick examples): 1st one is a cell phone running inside a vacuum without issues:
ua-cam.com/video/_1REFC5lI2U/v-deo.html
2nd you can see a Bluetooth speaker running fine inside a vacuum chamber.
ua-cam.com/video/657caNs8nRY/v-deo.html
Home made vacuum chambers are far from perfect vacuums like space - however they are strong enough to remove all the moisture. AND as you can see they DO WORK.
Here's how to build a quick and easy home made vacuum chamber ua-cam.com/video/ERRMoHfrjAI/v-deo.html - which you can witness it functioning yourself.
There is nothing fake about these plexiglass/perpex vacuum chambers - as they do work. For example there is no way to "fake" these expanding marshmallows under vacuum as seen here ua-cam.com/video/OuHBzK-LK24/v-deo.html (also at the end he reintroduces normal pressure and the marshmallows condense)
Jay = Dedication, all of that work for bragging rights, LOVE your video and dedication Jay. Soon Jay will not only be the king of water cooling but of OC.
Dry ice makes a good thermal insulator as well. Just like snow and igloos.
As long as whatever layer is on the side of the CO2/H2O, is primarily air/gas.
The Kingpin Cooling T-Rex Pot is the perfect pot for the HCC/XCC CPUs. I was actually one of the prototype testers. The temp control under LN2 with a good torching is insane. Put it to good use. The heater plate is almost a necessity for your setup. It'll save you a lot of headaches. Enjoy and push those clocks!
6:52 Plot twist. This is actually a build for Bear Grylis and that's pure urine in the reservoir.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaaahahahah
When i saw that water immediately i grabbed my bong and its the same color. Thats when i changed it.
Hi, youtube! Is anyone else wondering when Jay will post the video for LOUQUE ghost's temps test and stuff? Jay, you got me pumped for this, I am also on a brink of stepping up my RIG game. Do not want to drop loads of money on a case that will choke my system. Also, want to see see you excited yet again for this build. Get on it asap, if you will.
Cheers, on my toes for any new video from you!
you could just put the acetone in the freezer b4 you start takes it down to -18 and will safe you some co2
I love the music in this video. Whoever made that choice kudos to you.
Make sure you're using subzero thermal paste this time...
Hes using the kingpin paste, which is LN2 Temp ready
I was late to the live stream and didn't get a chance to comment that that was probably the main issue he was having last time lol
he didn't have issues with TIM the chat said don;t use liquid metal so he didn't then he had a bad mount on the ln2 pod once he remounted it it worked well
Daryl B i only meant the LM part really.
i've read that gelid gc extreme is designed for sub-zero temps but have never put it to the test
I love all of the overclocking stuff, thought i would get bored of it but its just so cool
"ah it's cold, I put my hand on the ice"- Jay 2k18
How stupid is this guy? He has no fucking clue what he is doing.
Overclock in Alaska/Montana/North Dakota in the winter with the windows open. Run the cables under a door, set up your peripherals in the adjacent room. Tape up/seal the openings around the door. Ambient will be around -30 in a deep winter condition. Air cannot contain water at that temperature, no condensation concerns.
Dry ice or NZXT cam software...
I'll take 4 buckets
@Dutchpower gaming No software required :)
Cam software or msi afterburner
I remember when using a Peltier was the big thing in sub zero cooling. Condensation was always a huge issue but the concept of it was fun.
Why not put the whole system in mineral oil, then cool the oil down to dry ice levels? Sounds like a good idea but i havent seen anyone do that. That way even your ram could be cold.
Actually mineral oil freezes at -4c
So i found out what they use for supercomputers, perfluoroOctane. 1 gallon= $27
So then you answered your own question as to why we dont use it then right?
Just buy yourself some perfluorooctane and try it out ;3
JayzTwoCents
way to sound like a dick.
KillTyrant Haha well Jay isn’t wrong is he? Can’t cuddle everyone in a big fuzzy blanket and answer obvious questions as nice as possible. Besides, dude did answer his own question anyway.
I love these custom water cooling videos. I only recently started getting into water cooling on my channel, so I love to see videos that take it to a whole other level!
Nothing else happening so now Jay can get back to doing silly stuff! YAY! Love ya Jay. Never change
It's called a cooling bath, or more commonly known as a dry ice slushy. I use them all the time in my lab to freeze out different compounds. You can use many different organic solvents to achieve different low temperatures. I primarily use propanol (concentrated rubbing alcohol). You can do the same thing with LN2 and organic solvents. Wikipedia has a good list of cooling baths with different organic solvents and dry ice or LN2.
Rules to best overclocking.
1. Go to Antarctica
2. Overclock your monitor
3. Win lyfe
Chores:
1. Dishes
2. Laundry
3. Put more dry ice on the CPU
@JayzTwoCents , im very glad to see a serious UA-camr doing some SubZero runs :) . I wish Overclocking would pick up again in South Africa but the support for it has been horrible . Ended up selling off most of my LN2 and DICE pots , haven't gone subzero in a long time but you have actually motivated me to do so again :) . Time to get out the piggy bank and get some benching done .. Keep it up bro
I miss your water cooling content
I really like that Jay is getting more into extreme overclocking
3:35 "Installating"
"InsulaTing"
Congratulations Jay, I saw the new score on the leader board so I was waiting for the video to appear. At least you can put your Mobo in the dishwasher to clean all the Vaseline off.
The best I've ever gotten overclock wise was a Pentium d at 4.8 GHz with 2 gb of ram and a gtx 260 midly overclocked
Silicone lottery
Best for me was FX 6300 @ 5.150 GHz on air.
You are stepping up the game for sure!
Cool videos but I miss you doing system builds.
i watched the previous livestream for the first few hours till about 2 am. Went to bed and watched the rest next morning.
2:55 , -GIANT- *THICC PAD*
Can't believe you killed a dark MB. It's an upside down world when a few UA-cam reviewers have everything and non-UA-cam users have to beg and borrow to acquire anything. Glad you're having fun.
Ooo that is one T H I C C pad
WARNING! I have 2 very attractivegirlfriends and I am the greatest UA-camr ever and YOUR savior. Good bye dear drew142
Jay should auction off that dead motherboard
For those of us who aren't children, what does "T H I C C" mean?
@@piers389 its a compliment to women and or attractive items so the next time you see a girl you can say wow youre looking thicc today and you will get a smile
@@AxxLAfriku ill miss you
Wow when you commit to something, you really go all in! Nice!
Oh and how’s post Malone’s build going?????
Zach Diamond zach kinda funny post malone isn’t even gonna be relevant anymore by the time it’s finished
its done, hes talked about that already. hes just waiting on Post to finish whatever hes up to so they can plan something for Jay to bring him the computer
Did he fix the guitar head?
Joshh Yeah no
Oh yeah i forgot that was a thing happening
Jay's copyright free music is always on point!
Why not submerge the system in perfluorooctane to prevent water condensation?
If i were a youtuber i would prolly be pretty reluctant to use gallons of something known to be an extremely potent global warming forcer. Whatever you think of the matter (and if you are a denier you disagree with 97% of scientists) That is going to attract unwanted adverse attention
@@mycosys We are tech community.
"We are mad scientist, buddy" - Tony Stark, the real piece of shit of a human
And the tech community tends to be educated and affluent and thats also the people that care most about climate change, FYI. Dont worry kid, ive abused hardware in ways you couldnt even imagine. Just wouldnt be a good look just now
@@mycosys Erm, I'm a Google associate cloud engineer. I was trying to be sarcastic?
LMFAO you poed me good - im laughing so hard right now. I took you to be some edgy gamer kid, so well done!
You can try to use M3 Immersion cooling. If you put a board with an installed pipe in the aquarium with M3 and fill pipe with LN2, then the stand will get rid of condensation and all parts will receive additional cooling. Even the part under the processor socket.
Make a Peltier cooled.
They will be less messy but at the same time they cant go as down as LN2 does. There is a cooler out there that uses peliter. It requires 6-pin PCIE power connector to run . Efficiency is the only issue to use em for 24/7.
Peltier coolers are useless when working with high energy consumption like with this CPU. Peltier coolers are not that efficient in transferring heat and therefor consume power themselves, making the total heat output even higher then that of the CPU itself (up to a factor three depending on the quality of the peltier elements). So you would need even more extreem cooling to cool the peltier cooler which is cooling the CPU.
Hey! Maybe you should setup a liquid cooling transport that goes to dry ice outside of the motherboard area and into a radiator surrounded by dry ice? Course you might need a liquid that resist freezing and likely need a high speed transfer, so the cool from the dry ice can quickly get to the processor while the heat can get out, without going faster then the heat transfer can occur. It might be a dumb idea, but the over kill sized radiator setup you did a while back, that simply overran diminishing return worked so well, might as well try it out for fun. If it doesn't work well, you can say we did it and verified it! and had fun doing it!
I saw. I clicked. I happy.
I English
welcome back to the frey Jay. we learn through you.
Wait how do you keep the ice dry?
Dry it with paper towel
I was just watching an older video of yours when a new one popped up, and now I am here :)
But Jay .... Jay Jay Jay!!!
If you go Dry Ice then GN will go LN2 and then you will go Helium and then GN will loose because Helium is too expensive... anyway, dont make this a competition of
''I have more money than you'' kind of thing.
Go watch the streams, they agreed not to use ln2, that is why he is using dry ice instead.
these sub zero vids are awesome, so much fun to watch
did Post Malone received his computer yet
yup, he's still playing solitaire.
YES
So, just a thought from someone whose never built an overclocking PC... The biggest hurdle to keep the MB happy seems to be keeping the water vapor/condensation to a bare minimum, so this may just be a crazy idea from someone who dabbles in welding.
If you could put the MB/Graphics card assembly in a tote full of argon gas, basically immersing the board in a fluid that water vapor has a very hard time existing in. Helium may be another viable option, but argon tends to sit in a tub better than most gasous fluids.
*So* *basically* *I'm* *early* ...
lol
we still need to send Jay into space to do these tests.....would be so cool seeing him up on the ISS doing the JayzTwoCents live feed...lol :)
so why use acetone which freezes at -139 f or -95 c when you could have used rubbing alcohol which freezes at -173F ? would rubbing alcohol give you colder temps?
Because -70c Acetone and -70c Alcohol are both....... -70c
Well god dammit Jay i was gonna say that
At least Jay does read the comments.
Duh, use both and get -140c 😉
rip
i used normal copper piping for my dry ice build in past for 290x overclock; with manual motor (basically you turn the handle and ethanol gets moved through the loop from the reservoir which is just a copper pot)
Much safer than what you did there. I was running on extender for pci-e slot; so i had only smear my gpu pcb with vaseline.
what kind of monster uses non-rgb memory?
Me, but its only because all the Trident Z 3600 kits were sold out... (Actually they had 1 kit left, but I needed 2, and I didn't want to run mix-matched ram in quad channel). I may have to buy some RGB heatsinks for them, its going in my show build, "ThreadREAPER" with quad GPU water cooled and the CPU will be running sub-zero cooling for daily (I need to test on LN2 and DICE to see if the temps help scaling, but I use phase cooling for dialy builds, and my FX has been doing longevity tests at 1.7 Vcore and rarely ever peaks the core temp above 0c, so I think its giving me the green-light on the Threadripper chilled for my daily system).
Winners don't use RGB.
A tasteful monster
I must be ober monster than as i dont have rgb memory/case fans/graphics card has them on it but they are disabled i get it a way to customize your rig etc but its not for me i grew up in the late 80s and 90s i have seen more than enough fucking neon lights to last a life time.
Me too. I'm an OG gamer, I've been playing video games since the 90s.
"Got bored and start putting dry ice in here too" hahahaha That's why you're the absolute best, always going for the real fun!
Jay why no subtitles :(((
Keep doing videos like this! It's fun to watch someone document as they learn
Acetone? Dry ice? Vaseline? Shop towels? I dont know, man. Something about this just seems.... impractical.
Yep, was definitely more practical for us early guys when all it took was a $2000 motherboard and a soldering iron.
You seem to like Vaseline.
Several packs of blue tack? Wouldn't have killed his board if he had sealed it up. Rooky mistake.
ok so, i know it sounds messy, but if your pot stops leaking it might be viable:
try adding salt. normal table salt (NaCl) to your acetone dryice mix. it wil get the temps even lower, proabably close to the freezing point of acetone itself if you are not carfull.
44 views 107 likes.. Async stuff is weird xD
Thanks for the info on extreme OC :) This was a great video and you look like you are having a great time teaching us about it.
I was the first to likr
I had an Idea, lots of people have liquid cooling systems but don't have a liquid cooled motherboard!
Removing fans to install AIO's can actually be bad for the board as sometimes it looses some fan cooling in some areas!
What about a waterfall, mount the motherboard at an angle, and run oil down it, into a reservoir Which then pumps it back to the top, think about it, done properly their is real potential!
I have some other awesome ideas I'm not sharing on here, message me for details!
Linus will try it if you don't, I recommended it here first 👌👍👌
first
dang ya beat me gg
well almost
Champion Aqua No one cares regardless.
Have a legendary weekend
Oh snap! High school science finally paying off. Jayz use small chunks with a lot of surface area : mass to cool quickly (your PC or drink) and use large chunks with smaller surface area : mass to keep it cooler longer. Ice can increase in temp or melt but not both at the same time.
Shame this wasn't kept for another Live stream to keep in the spirit of the previous one. Seeing the process, how things didn't go to plan and tackling the problems is what made the live stream so viewed I think.
This is awesome! I want to see so much more of this, but I also want to see you make a daily compressor to liquid sub zero rig.
@jayztwocents you should have cooled down the acetone in dry ice first, then pour in the acetone, and finally used more dry ice to keep the temp stable
Liquid hellium II next? Superfluid is so fun as Alfred Leitner said, it has "no heat",
Acetone works better than rubbing alcohol in some ways... but rubbing alcohol made it a very cold slurry when I tried it that was almost gel-like and easier to manage.
Love these videos, and even stayed up into the early hours of the live stream. It’s fun watching someone else do this because if it was your own and you did not have deep pockets be 💩 bricks. Can’t help but think of Walter White getting the cook just right when I watch this. 👍🏻
Do open a window while you're doing that, Jay. It takes way less excess carbon dioxide in the air to affect your breathing than the nitrogen you were using previously. And acetone vapour also gets pretty unpleasant after a while.
good content man. watched allot of your videos over the years. was pleased when i saw a video about the fx series if it was still viable. because i currently ran with the 4350. either way. your a legit source of content and i finally came around to subscribe. keep up the good stuff
Back with the first gen i7 920 and EVGA Classified 760, I could easily get bench stable @ 5.3GHZ from 2.66. Not bad, also took way more voltage knowledge...and luck than today. That rig just bit it after almost 9 years of service. RIP.
Have you thought about building a "dry" chamber with a sealed channel for your pot, and bulkheads for your cables then purging it with nitrogen? NO condensation no matter how cold you go.
You should take the paste to 80°C unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer in this circumstance. In the real world you should carefully take compound to the thermal limit of the device you're cooling to ensure it won't fail.
So...buy a few gallons of acetone and fill air to water heat exhanger then put it in 50lbs of dry ice and run with no coolant. Tip for cleetus mcfarland 7.5 sec run.
dryice is so fun and so much safer and simpler than any subzero method, its awesome and you can even carry the cubes with your hands for a moment.
@JayzTwoCents I never comment on videos, literally never and I really want that motherboard stand!!! I watch your videos all the time while doing whatever n stuff. :) Actually paused at 5:33 to comment...
Jay means business when he pulls out the Vaseline!
I am really glad you didn't blow yourself up. Acetone is very explosive. One spark and BOOM.
When I saw that component that started smoking, I thought Bye Bye Jay.
Acetone is also not good to inhale, so I hope you were joking and staying away from the fumes. That's what beauty parlors used to remove fingernail polish (Lacquer) and you know how ditsy some of those ladies could be. Then they started putting in exhaust hoods, which was a good move.
Jay a word of advice i learned the hard way acetone may disolve some plastics
god jay....talking about pot in cali....never knew jay liked pot so much....
More important!!! Linus, Jay, Paul, Steve, Joker, Kyle are all dropping the ball on this one. Do you know, or are you able to test 2080 TIs in SLI to see if we they are still completely GPU bottlenecked at 4K, Single card, yes but can you finally see CPU scaling between the 8700k and the 9900k or even the Ryzen 2700k in SLI?
Nice weather your having.
Great video. Try a AMD chip on dry ice. Just to see what happens.
Ok so i had to watch the video twice to make sure there is no " I digress " . Still a good video keep it up Jay.
Instead of using Vaseline and a toothbrush to protect your board, you should get some conformal coating. Protecting electronics from water is what it's made for. All you need to remember is to mask off or cover your slots and plugs if you are using a spray.
Yo I’m a. If fan and without your guide I literally wouldn’t know what a gaming pc truly was
you should try putting salt in the bucket as it will make the ice water alot colder. you might also add it to your dry ice slush
I've just upgraded to my first water-cooled system and started doing manual overclocking, then stumbled upon this video.... What terrifying rabbit hole am I going down?!
If you somehow set up a test bench in a vacuum chamber you can eliminate the development of condensation. That will allow you to focus of the thermal conduction by not having to compromise in order to get around the problem of moister.