There's lots of Downton Abbey moments that drive home the show's central messages of unity and the honor of kindness, but this was particularly special.
@Leo Peridot I always wanted that to play out. Especially during Thomas's ordeal with Jimmy. When OBrien tricked Thomas to thinking Jimmy liked him. It would have been Great if the story leaked about her Ladyship's soap before Bates had a chance to turn the tables on her. In the End I doubt Lord Grantham would have really done anything besides have her dismissed without a reference and Lady Grantham total disappointment in OBrien for mislaying the facts. The guilt and shame was written All over O'Brien's face afterwards and for years to come. #YouNeverKnow
@Leo Peridot As a father and husband Lord Grantham would be "justified" in his anger and frustration. Some would argue that he could of had O'Brien charged with assault. But we cannot forget the Overwhelming care OBrien gave to Lady Grantham during the Spanish Flu epidemic.
They really did post men to shot the ones who ran from the battlefields. The very same young men who had never held a gun before and expected to take a life. WW1 traumatized an entire generation.
Yeah because unfortunately they didn't really comprehend, or probably they didn't want to comprehend the possibility of some lads being traumatized (some of them possibly for life) after all these terrible events of war. To them sometimes it was like "Well the others soldiers did it without issue. So could you but you didn't" Mental health was not really in the first line of concern at those time and for many people the act of getting out of battlefield was act of cowardice. Unfortunately many lads were in fact more brave than their minds could take and ended up coming back with shell shock, some of them were trembling non-stop or not able to stand to their two feet so even if they stayed to the bunkers they would be useless anyways but some people of the general public did not recognize their suffering as much as they should be
Governments should not have thanked these men for the sacrifices they made or the gift they gave their countries, because every single country that fought the war wound up worse off for it. Rather, governments should offer profoundest apologies for compelling those men to waste their lives.
Was a VERY old tradition by WWI. In the age of linear tactics some sergeants were detached, behind the line, there to help direct, keep men focused, and shoot anyone who ran away.
WW2 the Russians didn’t have enough guns so they were telling soldiers who didn’t have guns to wait for someone to get shot and run and grab their gun. They had machine guns to shoot deserters
Lord Grantham is such a good man. Explaining to the crowd why Archie's name isn't on the Downton memorial, but also stating he was fondly remembered. Which is all true. Archie served Downton honorably and volunteered to serve.
And more than likely any surviving veterans of the Great War have already passed on by now, but at least they're free from everything they've been through.
Mrs. Patmore was a frequent recipient of kindness in the series. First was her eye operation, then Lord and Lady Grantham posing in front of her B&B to save it from the disgrace of being "a house of ill repute". But this scene was another level of kindness, and compassion exemplified. Melts my heart everytime.
I always had a sort of fan theory about that. There's a few subtle, passing lines that Robert says regarding the cook in the house when he was a child. Like Carson was a father figure to Mary, Robert's cook was the happy, generous mother figure he didn't really have. She was his favorite so to speak. So as a result he has a certain affinity for Mrs. Padmore. I have similar theories as to why Thomas was so close to O'Brian in the first three seasons, and how his willingness to destroy others slowly fades as soon as she's gone.
Poor Mrs Patmore was losing her mind in anguish, to say nothing for Archie's immediate family. Lord Grantham helping them console their grief by erecting a plaque in front of a gathered crowd was about the kindest thing possible.
Not wanting 2 die doesn’t make u a coward, it makes u human. These boys were never told the reality of what they would face & just thought it a grand adventure.........1 that many SHOULD have returned from ;_;
This reminded me of a sad event I experienced. I'm retired from law enforcement. When I was active, an officer who had been through some difficult times took her own life. She had been an admirable officer. My department refused to acknowledge her death with a memorial service due to it being a suicide. I felt that was a wrong decision, and chose to retire soon after.
I want to personally say, Thank you. Thank you to you and to her for your service and dedication to Serve and Protect. The best memorial she could ever have is living in your heart and memory as a brave and admirable young lady and officer. 💜
Many people believed that fighting in a war during that time for their king's mistakes and politics was a brave thing to do. They believed that was a solemn duty to do so, no matter the slaughter around them and if they refuse to go or they escaped because of The panic and trauma, those poor boys, were cowards. I Would definitely like to see what they Would have done those kind of people if they reach that same break point at those moments of horror
I remember I had tears of joy when I saw this. WWI was in this way more cruel than the WWII, that people then were sent like gunmeat for slaughter, commanders didn't have any idea how to break the line of the enemy, so were sendind more and more people in hope some could finally beat the enemy. People were treated like statistics as I was reading about both wars, WWII at least in non-russia/germany countries soldiers weren't treated like never ending amount of people and commanders were more likely to think how to strike. Calling someone coward there is silly, some were paralyzed with fear so great they could not try to escape, some were scared so much they still wanted to run away by instincts
This is one of the very best scenes in the Downton Abbey series. Would someone who knows please tell me the name of this beautiful music that plays during this scene? Thank you!
There's a lot of material, the guy that wrote Downton Abby can use, he can create a prequel, or a sequel. I'd rather see a sequel after WW2 on down to now.
I want a Prequel, when Robert and Cora meet and about how the estate fell into trouble in the mid 1800s. The early ears of the Victorian Era leading into the Edwardian. A sequel that follows the life of George, Sybiee and Marigold leading up to WWII. Taking Cora back to America for her Mother's funeral. #DowntonForever
No. I've always found it funny that they have a first name 😂 I'm so used to Mrs Hughes and Mr Carson that I couldn't tell you their first names. Same with lord Grantham. I've forgotten his name.
Okay, To be perfectly honest, I've always disliked Robert very much for many valid obvious reasons in bold letters. I sympathize obviously with all the shouldering the house and name, title that's been passed down for generations, but sympathy has it's limits. At least, mine does. However, one thing we cannot deny is his compassion for the tenants and his staff members downstairs. I'm quite glad for this spark of creativity of his. Also, I would love to have Mrs. Patmore as a neighbor xD
I used to view Robert and Carson as two sides of the same, annoying coin. Both are conservative and stuck in their old ways. But scenes like this, and the house of ill repute, convinced me that Robert can be much kinder than Carson ever was. Robert is there for Mrs. Patmore when even Carson was not.
Poor Daisy. I hate that the character will have to go to her grave with the secret that her side of the marriage to William Mason was a farce. With her close relationship to her father-in-law, I would have liked for her to be able to talk with him about it.
@Hannah Dyson I don't think she loved William as a husband. She was too young and not ready for it. She acted the way she did with Andrew, because it was forced on her as well. Should Andy had been given the chance to have it develop naturally, he would have faired better. Thomas outed things and Padmore once again stuck her nose in where it didn't belong. Padmore was an old maid (called Mrs. due to her position, not because she'd been married). She should have just brushed off what Barrow said. She stuck her nose into Daisy's lovelife way too much. Daisy became defensive about Andrew, instead of being allowed to fall in love. Of course, this is all fictional. So, we each can interpret it as we wish.
Yes, but she did care a lot about William. Enough to pretend in the first place and go through with a heartbreaking wedding. She didn’t do it for selfish reasons. The dowager reminded her that what she did was a very loving thing. I hope that helped her with her guilt, that she cared a lot about him, and cares now about her father.
I would love to see this continue even with the next generation and Robert and Coras children being the matriarchs of the family and maybe take this into the 1950s
I think that his Lordship is a Humanitarian who was opposed to the Death Penalty for Cowardice and come to think of it was Probably against the Death Penalty full stop
It was not cowardice. It was shell shock, now known as Post-traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), caused by exposure to the shockwaves of explosion blasts. Many soldiers who've served in the recent Afghanistan and Iraq wars have suffered from the exact same condition. Today, the condition is much better understood as a no-fault involuntary medical injury. It's both a physical and psychological injury. It causes physical damage to the parts of the brain responsible for reasoning, decision-making, behaviour and memory. Along with inducing extreme psychological distress. It literally renders people involuntary and not responsible for their actions. Many British soldiers wrongly punished or shot for cowardice in WW1, had bravely volunteered to fight, and many of them had previously received medals/awards/mentions for disguised service and/or bravery during the war before they had been inflicted with blast-induced PTSD (shell-shock) and wrongfully punished or shot for cowardice. The whole affair is a stain on British history. Even during WW1, a vast majority of doctors had researched and concluded that shell shock, as it was then known, was an involuntary, no-fault medical condition that could affect any soldier in the trenches and field at any time. But the pompous military top bass (the donkeys who led the lions) who were stationed in luxury houses miles away from the frontlines and who never did any actual fighting in the war and had no idea what it was actually like, wilfully chose to ignore all the clear medical evidence and signed the soldiers' punishments. It's shocking that it took till 2006 for all those approximately 240,000 British soldiers wrongfully punished for cowardice, including the 306 of them sentenced to death for it, to be pardoned and have their names added to official memorials.
I do like Mr Carson, but it sometimes seems as if he cannot formulate a decision without knowing what Lord Grantham will think... Kinda pitiful... 😕 Saying that, star move on Robert's part, bravo 👏🏾👏🏾
Robert is so sweet. It was really nice of him to make a separate plaque for Mrs. Patmore’s nephew.
Very kind!
And rightfully, because that war was unlike anything before.
Couldn't agree more, even the music when the plague is unveiled seems to add to the sincerity towards Mrs. Patmore and her family.
There's lots of Downton Abbey moments that drive home the show's central messages of unity and the honor of kindness, but this was particularly special.
@Leo Peridot I always wanted that to play out. Especially during Thomas's ordeal with Jimmy. When OBrien tricked Thomas to thinking Jimmy liked him. It would have been Great if the story leaked about her Ladyship's soap before Bates had a chance to turn the tables on her. In the End I doubt Lord Grantham would have really done anything besides have her dismissed without a reference and Lady Grantham total disappointment in OBrien for mislaying the facts. The guilt and shame was written All over O'Brien's face afterwards and for years to come. #YouNeverKnow
@Leo Peridot As a father and husband Lord Grantham would be "justified" in his anger and frustration. Some would argue that he could of had O'Brien charged with assault. But we cannot forget the Overwhelming care OBrien gave to Lady Grantham during the Spanish Flu epidemic.
He saved eidth from the fire
And, this moment was certainly not one of them.
@@romandecaesar4782 What do you mean?
They really did post men to shot the ones who ran from the battlefields. The very same young men who had never held a gun before and expected to take a life. WW1 traumatized an entire generation.
Yeah because unfortunately they didn't really comprehend, or probably they didn't want to comprehend the possibility of some lads being traumatized (some of them possibly for life) after all these terrible events of war. To them sometimes it was like "Well the others soldiers did it without issue. So could you but you didn't"
Mental health was not really in the first line of concern at those time and for many people the act of getting out of battlefield was act of cowardice. Unfortunately many lads were in fact more brave than their minds could take and ended up coming back with shell shock, some of them were trembling non-stop or not able to stand to their two feet so even if they stayed to the bunkers they would be useless anyways but some people of the general public did not recognize their suffering as much as they should be
Governments should not have thanked these men for the sacrifices they made or the gift they gave their countries, because every single country that fought the war wound up worse off for it. Rather, governments should offer profoundest apologies for compelling those men to waste their lives.
Don't want to be depressing but it's still happening in places like Erithrea
Was a VERY old tradition by WWI. In the age of linear tactics some sergeants were detached, behind the line, there to help direct, keep men focused, and shoot anyone who ran away.
WW2 the Russians didn’t have enough guns so they were telling soldiers who didn’t have guns to wait for someone to get shot and run and grab their gun. They had machine guns to shoot deserters
Lord Grantham is such a good man. Explaining to the crowd why Archie's name isn't on the Downton memorial, but also stating he was fondly remembered. Which is all true. Archie served Downton honorably and volunteered to serve.
It still floors me that the end of WWI was almost 103 years ago...
And more than likely any surviving veterans of the Great War have already passed on by now, but at least they're free from everything they've been through.
@@NakedSnake1836 Indeed. Florence Green of the Women’s RAF died at age 110 on Feb 4, 2012. The last man who served in the trenches died in 2009.
A bit rich of Carson of calling a shell shocked soldier a coward, considering he never fought in a war.
Just like every women especially those in the fundraising.
Mrs. Patmore was a frequent recipient of kindness in the series. First was her eye operation, then Lord and Lady Grantham posing in front of her B&B to save it from the disgrace of being "a house of ill repute". But this scene was another level of kindness, and compassion exemplified. Melts my heart everytime.
Well they do say that the way to a man’s heart is through their stomach 😂 loved this scene. Very heart warming x
Good cooks need to be looked after!
I always had a sort of fan theory about that. There's a few subtle, passing lines that Robert says regarding the cook in the house when he was a child. Like Carson was a father figure to Mary, Robert's cook was the happy, generous mother figure he didn't really have. She was his favorite so to speak. So as a result he has a certain affinity for Mrs. Padmore. I have similar theories as to why Thomas was so close to O'Brian in the first three seasons, and how his willingness to destroy others slowly fades as soon as she's gone.
Poor Mrs Patmore was losing her mind in anguish, to say nothing for Archie's immediate family. Lord Grantham helping them console their grief by erecting a plaque in front of a gathered crowd was about the kindest thing possible.
Not wanting 2 die doesn’t make u a coward, it makes u human.
These boys were never told the reality of what they would face & just thought it a grand adventure.........1 that many SHOULD have returned from ;_;
So true. And none of us knows how we would react in the same terrifying situation. Most of us are fortunate to never have to find out.
Amen! Young men sent to fight old rich man's wars has been the theater of life for eons of time!
@@juliam.mallen3181 The young rich also died in these wars . In World War l they had the highest casualty rates
@@hannahdyson7129True
thats right, the young man volunteered to fight instead of waiting to be called up. it is only right that this is appreciated and remembered.
Not sure why, but I had an urge to revisit this moment of kindness just out of the blue this morning.
That moment made my cry
This, along with a plethora of scenes, make DA an emotionally satisfying series. The characters are so completely realized. Bravo!!
This reminded me of a sad event I experienced. I'm retired from law enforcement. When I was active, an officer who had been through some difficult times took her own life. She had been an admirable officer. My department refused to acknowledge her death with a memorial service due to it being a suicide. I felt that was a wrong decision, and chose to retire soon after.
I want to personally say, Thank you. Thank you to you and to her for your service and dedication to Serve and Protect. The best memorial she could ever have is living in your heart and memory as a brave and admirable young lady and officer. 💜
Many people believed that fighting in a war during that time for their king's mistakes and politics was a brave thing to do. They believed that was a solemn duty to do so, no matter the slaughter around them and if they refuse to go or they escaped because of The panic and trauma, those poor boys, were cowards. I Would definitely like to see what they Would have done those kind of people if they reach that same break point at those moments of horror
I remember I had tears of joy when I saw this. WWI was in this way more cruel than the WWII, that people then were sent like gunmeat for slaughter, commanders didn't have any idea how to break the line of the enemy, so were sendind more and more people in hope some could finally beat the enemy. People were treated like statistics as I was reading about both wars, WWII at least in non-russia/germany countries soldiers weren't treated like never ending amount of people and commanders were more likely to think how to strike. Calling someone coward there is silly, some were paralyzed with fear so great they could not try to escape, some were scared so much they still wanted to run away by instincts
These men thankfully got the apology they deserved. Rip all you poor souls
This moment always brings me to tears
A sad beautiful bittersweet tribute. ❤️
One of the best scene in history
This is one of the very best scenes in the Downton Abbey series. Would someone who knows please tell me the name of this beautiful music that plays during this scene? Thank you!
And at the going down of the sun, we will remember them. That poem says it all. Thank you Mr. Binyon.
There's a lot of material, the guy that wrote Downton Abby can use, he can create a prequel, or a sequel.
I'd rather see a sequel after WW2 on down to now.
I want a Prequel, when Robert and Cora meet and about how the estate fell into trouble in the mid 1800s. The early ears of the Victorian Era leading into the Edwardian. A sequel that follows the life of George, Sybiee and Marigold leading up to WWII. Taking Cora back to America for her Mother's funeral. #DowntonForever
I would agree with a sequel. Maybe with the grandchildren all grown up
@@m.layfette6249 How about a prequel with the Dowager's time in Russia?
@@m.layfette6249I want a prequel with young granny and the adventures she had in Russia, the south of France etc
I don't think the writer wanted to do WWII and I felt wwi was skipped over quite a bit
If there's one thing British nobles love to do, it's the unveiling of a plaque.
An old man who never fought talks about cowardice.
19 years old. Christ.
And this type of gesture is why Robert is in my top 3 characters in DA
I have just learned that the character first name of Mrs. Patmore is Beryl. Did anyone else know that? Leslie Nichol was brilliant in this role.
No. I've always found it funny that they have a first name 😂 I'm so used to Mrs Hughes and Mr Carson that I couldn't tell you their first names. Same with lord Grantham. I've forgotten his name.
@@3lli0 I get you. I remember Mr. Carson being Charlie because of the old partner who came in trying to blackmail him over The Cheerful Charlies..haha
@@3lli0Lord Grantham was referred to by his wife and mother as Robert many times in the show.
T-H-I-S was one of my All-Time favorites in DA...
The dogs of war, are often pups when sent out. God bless and keep them.
What piece plays when Archie’s memorial is unveiled? It’s beautiful.
@ThatAussieGirl. Imagine? Don't have to. I see it every day at the VA.
Weird, Farsley town is my next door neighbor. Strange to hear it mentioned.
Okay, To be perfectly honest, I've always disliked Robert very much for many valid obvious reasons in bold letters. I sympathize obviously with all the shouldering the house and name, title that's been passed down for generations, but sympathy has it's limits. At least, mine does. However, one thing we cannot deny is his compassion for the tenants and his staff members downstairs. I'm quite glad for this spark of creativity of his. Also, I would love to have Mrs. Patmore as a neighbor xD
He's in my top 3 characters in DA
I used to view Robert and Carson as two sides of the same, annoying coin. Both are conservative and stuck in their old ways. But scenes like this, and the house of ill repute, convinced me that Robert can be much kinder than Carson ever was. Robert is there for Mrs. Patmore when even Carson was not.
The best Aristocrats❤
Poor Daisy. I hate that the character will have to go to her grave with the secret that her side of the marriage to William Mason was a farce. With her close relationship to her father-in-law, I would have liked for her to be able to talk with him about it.
@Hannah Dyson I don't think she loved William as a husband. She was too young and not ready for it.
She acted the way she did with Andrew, because it was forced on her as well. Should Andy had been given the chance to have it develop naturally, he would have faired better. Thomas outed things and Padmore once again stuck her nose in where it didn't belong. Padmore was an old maid (called Mrs. due to her position, not because she'd been married). She should have just brushed off what Barrow said. She stuck her nose into Daisy's lovelife way too much. Daisy became defensive about Andrew, instead of being allowed to fall in love.
Of course, this is all fictional. So, we each can interpret it as we wish.
Yes, but she did care a lot about William. Enough to pretend in the first place and go through with a heartbreaking wedding. She didn’t do it for selfish reasons. The dowager reminded her that what she did was a very loving thing. I hope that helped her with her guilt, that she cared a lot about him, and cares now about her father.
The father knew.
@@danicabuckley5734 Did I miss the episode, where she or Padmore told him?
@@DeepikaGinger By marrying William she got his Widow's Pension. So perhaps not totally altruistic.
I would love to see this continue even with the next generation and Robert and Coras children being the matriarchs of the family and maybe take this into the 1950s
Thats a great idea!!
Oh I don't know. Ever watched mad men... My eighty-year-old mother watched a couple episodes... She just shook her head.
I think that his Lordship is a Humanitarian who was opposed to the Death Penalty for Cowardice and come to think of it was Probably against the Death Penalty full stop
wait why wouldnt they
Trying to conceal cowardice... neat. Carson's right.
It was not cowardice. It was shell shock, now known as Post-traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), caused by exposure to the shockwaves of explosion blasts. Many soldiers who've served in the recent Afghanistan and Iraq wars have suffered from the exact same condition. Today, the condition is much better understood as a no-fault involuntary medical injury. It's both a physical and psychological injury. It causes physical damage to the parts of the brain responsible for reasoning, decision-making, behaviour and memory. Along with inducing extreme psychological distress. It literally renders people involuntary and not responsible for their actions.
Many British soldiers wrongly punished or shot for cowardice in WW1, had bravely volunteered to fight, and many of them had previously received medals/awards/mentions for disguised service and/or bravery during the war before they had been inflicted with blast-induced PTSD (shell-shock) and wrongfully punished or shot for cowardice.
The whole affair is a stain on British history. Even during WW1, a vast majority of doctors had researched and concluded that shell shock, as it was then known, was an involuntary, no-fault medical condition that could affect any soldier in the trenches and field at any time. But the pompous military top bass (the donkeys who led the lions) who were stationed in luxury houses miles away from the frontlines and who never did any actual fighting in the war and had no idea what it was actually like, wilfully chose to ignore all the clear medical evidence and signed the soldiers' punishments.
It's shocking that it took till 2006 for all those approximately 240,000 British soldiers wrongfully punished for cowardice, including the 306 of them sentenced to death for it, to be pardoned and have their names added to official memorials.
I do like Mr Carson, but it sometimes seems as if he cannot formulate a decision without knowing what Lord Grantham will think... Kinda pitiful... 😕
Saying that, star move on Robert's part, bravo 👏🏾👏🏾
I don't remember seeing any of this in season 2 .??
Shannon Knox it's in Season 5. :)
Shannon Knox that's because it's season five
Lord Grantham has so much class and compassion