Best GOUACHE for beginners | HIMI vs Holbein

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  • Опубліковано 31 гру 2024

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  • @SonyaBatten
    @SonyaBatten 5 місяців тому +58

    The only thing i suggest to newbies is dont buy the most expensive brands thinking it will make you a better artist. Being Better comes with practise.

    • @HandofHolmes
      @HandofHolmes 4 місяці тому +4

      The facts I wish someone told me when I was a newbie!!! 🙌🏽 Practice with the cheap stuff and then invest once you get better/want to get fancy with colour saturation and pigments. I tend to prefer splurging on handmade paints when I can, because I prefer supporting artists/artisans-however that is entirely not necessary.

    • @death__ray
      @death__ray 3 місяці тому +1

      It may depend because cheap supplies often don't behave similar to the good quality medium

    • @DigitalViscosity
      @DigitalViscosity Місяць тому +2

      @@HandofHolmes I don't fully agree. I don't let my students bring cheap cheap supplies into my class, I noticed previously that students had a very difficult time if they brought in Royal and Langnickel Gouache or Oils or Acrylics to the point they drop my class. I have an approved supply list, which of course I put in a range of prices. After doing this I noticed my students do MUCH better and learn quicker. I don't allow HIMI in my class, but I do allow Arteza Jelly Gouache which is around the same price. The one thing I don't allow them to go cheaply on is paper. Since paper is the most important supply. A lot of people starting don't know this.

    • @PaintIt4Ward
      @PaintIt4Ward 18 днів тому +1

      It’s actually the opposite. Experience artists can make great art with any material. But beginners will be held back by the quirks of the cheap medium. A beginner will never really know what is them and what is due to the crappy materials they are using. Beginners should start with a small set of high-quality.

  • @lisagiuliani8167
    @lisagiuliani8167 22 години тому

    This was such a wonderful video! So much great information and I loved watching you paint!!! 😊

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  2 години тому

      Thank you! I appreciate it 😍

  • @jenniferarted3652
    @jenniferarted3652 4 місяці тому +16

    I bought Windsor & Newton first, it was expensive and I was afraid to use it so it just sat in a drawer for a year. The jelly gouache craze hit and I wanted to try it. It was cheap so it didn’t feel wasteful. Jelly gouache is what made me fall in love with gouache. I still use it occasionally but my go to brand is Shinhan. I also love Holbein but I can get Shinhan much cheaper.

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  4 місяці тому

      It’s exactly the same for me! Jelly gouache makes me paint more often ☺️

  • @vilvile
    @vilvile 5 місяців тому +39

    To add to it, unless you are covering your himi gouache constantly, eventually it will start to lose moisture, for which you will need to add water and lose even more opacity. Holbein tubes (or any other brand that comes in tubes) will allow you to work with fresh gouache every time.

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому +5

      Wow, I have never considered that adding water to the cups will lead to transparency 🤔 my set is still relatively new

    • @vilvile
      @vilvile 5 місяців тому +1

      @@kartenita most sets will come with a seal, but during your painting process (which could be easily a couple of hours) you won’t be opening and closing the full lid.
      If you like the “pudding style cups”, you could transfer your paints to sets that have containers each ones with their own individual lids, so you are opening and closing each lid as you go.

  • @Oshyano
    @Oshyano 4 місяці тому +19

    I think Himi is great when you want to practice a lot without running out of your paints quickly. I'd never use an expensive gouache like Holbein purely for sketching purposes, I mess up way too often for that. I have Himi and yes, they are tricky to work with but great for my sketchbooks. I use my Talens and Winsor and Newton paints for more official pieces because they are better in quality.

  • @twk8520
    @twk8520 5 місяців тому +26

    My understanding is Himi is based on quick art admission exam paint in china. Its not meant for anything but sketches. Which is ok for the price they just don't tell anyone what it's really for sadly.

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому +9

      That’s right, himi works well with sketches, but I wouldn’t paint something large scale and complex with it

    • @PaintIt4Ward
      @PaintIt4Ward 18 днів тому

      it’s about longevity. This stuff is fine for using in your sketchbook to try out ideas. But if you try to use it on real art that you are gonna hang on the wall it’s going to fade pretty quickly with exposure to light. Lightfastness is one of the most important considerations for artist who are serious

  • @PursuingHeaven
    @PursuingHeaven 5 місяців тому +90

    Jelly gouache dries out and is a waste of money. Arteza tubes are cheap and good quality. Also Shinhan is a very good brand of designer gouache that is not expensive and lightfast. Holbein's are wonderful but not everyone can afford them and Shinhan is great for a person who wants something better than student grade but not overly expensive.

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому +9

      Wow, thank for these details! My jelly gouache is relatively new and I use it quite often, I don’t have any issues with drying out yet. I’ve heard a lot about Arteza tubes, seems like it’s a really good gouache! I will definitely try it out later🥰

    • @Eovielle
      @Eovielle 5 місяців тому +3

      I second that. I got some Shinhan tubes and they are great. Get Shinhan instead of Arteza I'd say.

    • @yfprof
      @yfprof 5 місяців тому +27

      You can re activate jelly gouache… that makes it worth it you can use them for like 3-4 years just reactivate them every time so they are worth it!

    • @ingang8817
      @ingang8817 4 місяці тому +14

      You can reactivate Himi if it dries. Himi is used by many Chinese students who paint everyday and have no time for mixing color in timed test.

    • @PaintIt4Ward
      @PaintIt4Ward 2 місяці тому +2

      Jelly gouache dries out if you don’t care for it. All you have to do is spritz it with distilled water every couple of days, keep the palette closed when you’re not pulling paint out of it, and store it in the refrigerator. also stir it up with a palette knife every now and then. And you might want to add some blending medium or gum Arabic occasionally will stay good forever if you care for it properly.

  • @colorcapacity2779
    @colorcapacity2779 3 дні тому

    New sub here... Wow! This is the way to do a review! You demonstrated the pros and cons completely and your artwork is beautiful. Thanks!

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  3 дні тому

      Thank you! I appreciate it ✨🤗

  • @cslattfri
    @cslattfri 17 днів тому

    I have been using gouache for almost 2 years. My favorite brands are Schmincke, Holbein, and Winsor & Newton (in that order). I have been curious about Himi jelly gouach for almost a year now. I was just thinking last week about what a pain it is to use the tubes all the time. The paint dies so fast that you have to be super diligent about closing the caps tightly after each use and it's soooo easy to miss a thread which can cause the paint tube to dry (an expensive mistake that has happened more than once to me). I was going to invest in an airtight palette that I can squeeze all of my gouache paints into so I don't have to deal with the annoyance of the tubes. And then I figured why not buy a Himi jelly gouache of 24 paints?? I can try them out and if I don't like them, once the paint is used up I can just fill them with my good paints and have an airtight container for my favorite paints. It was less than $10 more for the Himi set than it was for an empty airtight palette. It looks like the perfect size, too!! The empty airtight palette I was going to buy was much, much smaller. I feel like the Himi gouache, although much lower quality, will make it easier to develop an almost daily journal to practice my painting. I also paint with acrylic and watercolor, but there is something about gouache that I love despite the challenges of the medium. I ordered the Himi paints a few days ago and am excited to try them out once they arrive. I do love color mixing in general (with watercolor and acrylic) but it's a bit of a pain with gouache due to the paint's consistency so I may just like the Himi paint. I guess I'll see! Thanks for sharing this video....

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  17 днів тому

      Oh I never paid attention to closing caps tightly, that s a good thing to remember. HIMI is nice for daily sketches. I will definitely keep working with HIMI and likely buy another set. It’s too expensive to paint in sketchbooks with Holbein.

  • @playfulpuffinstudio
    @playfulpuffinstudio Місяць тому +1

    I got Himi gouache a few years ago and I hated the smell. I got rid of it. Lovely video 👏

  • @scarletwitch6023
    @scarletwitch6023 5 місяців тому +2

    I really love using the himi gouache, It took me a while to get to grips with the water to paint ratio, but once I got it right, the paints were smooth and opaque. I’m definitely not ready to drop £150 on paints just yet- himi let’s me develop my skills and if I use too much paint or it goes dry- it’s not expensive to replace.

  • @verafernandes4913
    @verafernandes4913 Місяць тому

    Thank you, a wonderful explanation and live demonstration of gouache. I agree with you, although the HIMI is less expensive, it lessens the joy and experience and well as the end results of your projects. Well done.

  • @sirenu-eveart6246
    @sirenu-eveart6246 5 місяців тому +6

    Amazing video, loved the paintings especially the egg and the little window scenes ❤❤🌻🌻

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому

      Thank you very much ❤️🥰 i appreciate your support

  • @yfprof
    @yfprof 5 місяців тому +2

    You can re activate jelly gouache… that makes it worth it you can use them for like 3-4 years just reactivate(spry them with water after use) them every time so they are worth it!

  • @cazumbandoartmaddy1728
    @cazumbandoartmaddy1728 5 місяців тому +2

    I have both. It's not exactly HIMI branded, but i have a jelly gouache i got off aliexpress years ago, mine comes with a foam protection which locks in moisture easier. I love to paint with mine, but when i finally got some holbein tubes i saw a huge gap of quality difference. HIMI is a good paint for the price, at least it's better than the kid's stuff i find easily in my country, but holbein is another league of paint quality. The pigment is so strong, i can stretch the paint to the max with water until it loses opacity way more than the jelly gouache. About "jelly gouache is not lightfast" - not even Holbein is either, depending on the pigments! Because gouache is a material more geared towards illustration/reproduction art than fine art/ i-want-this-to-stay-the-same-color-for-25-years-under-museum-light art so durability is not the main concern (unless the thing changes color/fades even when closed off in a sketchbook/drawer). If lightfast is a concern, the artist must check holbein's individual colors durability (flame red is a very fugitive color while ultramarine is more stable for example) or opt for Schmincke's professional gouache (they have desginer's gouache which is equeally as good as professional but with more fugitive colors).

  • @DigitalViscosity
    @DigitalViscosity Місяць тому +2

    Cheap supplies can make beginners feel they're struggling, even when it's not their fault. An experienced painter knows how to achieve results with any materials. I'm not saying you need the most expensive supplies, but it's worth investing in quality materials, especially good paper, as it makes a significant difference. I'm not sure if you mentioned the type of paper you're using, but remember: you're not wasting paint if you're using it. The practice and experience you gain are invaluable. Paint only goes to waste when it sits unused in a tube.

  • @Kloodwig
    @Kloodwig 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for the video! It was very relaxing to watch you try the paints :)

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  4 місяці тому

      Thank you for this comment 🥰🫶

  • @mjpete27
    @mjpete27 5 місяців тому +8

    Hullo Kate, I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for! I do believe that some bargains are worth using IF YOU have the experience to make it work! I have recently started looking to get back into gouache, I was so surprised that even mostly lightfast paints fade out when you add white to tint the paint. If you mix it into the full saturated colors they fade like crazy! Sweet video If you use real gouache you can re-activate dry paint! I hope your gouache adventures bring you much happiness!

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому

      Thank you for the comment ☺️ It’s a bummer that gouache isn’t lightfast. I use this paint more often in a sketchbook, so it will last longer 😊

    • @mjpete27
      @mjpete27 5 місяців тому

      @@kartenita some pigments are lightfast! It just takes mote effort to find out which ones are! I believe this is from when gouache was NOT expected to last the week! Much less longer!

  • @berolinastrassmann
    @berolinastrassmann 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for this. I got Holbein's starter set (6 x 15ml) for around 17-20€, after being so frustrated with HIMI. More quality and less quantity means that I get more practice at mixing and making all the colours I want. Your sketches look great in both paints!

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you! Mixing colors is a good practice a good skill to learn. Good luck! Holbein is amazing paint

  • @Dausypoo
    @Dausypoo 3 місяці тому

    I started my traditional art journey with Miya Himi. I've since moved on but I wouldn't have been where I am now without it.

  • @haru.spring
    @haru.spring 3 місяці тому +1

    It's true that artists do not need expensive art supplies to do a good art but sometimes you have to go with the expensive one, I've bought a cheap gouache colors and they're literally transparent like watercolors I can't use them as a gouache they don't layer even after drying

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  3 місяці тому

      That a bummer! Gouache supposed to be opaque 🥲

  • @linalymon
    @linalymon 3 місяці тому

    This has been very helpful!

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  3 місяці тому

      I’m glad to hear that! Thank you ☺️

  • @wincepie2830
    @wincepie2830 5 місяців тому +3

    Super useful video thanks!

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому

      Happy to hear that! Thank you😊

  • @milenamarcocci6320
    @milenamarcocci6320 18 днів тому

    Thank you very beautiful and interesting video ❤❤❤❤❤bravissima

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  17 днів тому

      Happy to hear you like the video ✨🤗

  • @nekocyt1289
    @nekocyt1289 3 місяці тому

    I knew right away which paintings where made with HIMI gouache 😂
    HIMI was my first gouache set and I like that I got so many colors for a good price + they really look cute ❤ I switched to tubes because HIMI dries out so fast (even with adding water) and the consistency gets worse with time. Its a bit messy to maintain them.
    For practicing HIMI is quite good tho... at least if you're on a budget you get much product for the price and dont have to worry about using "too much expensive paint".

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  3 місяці тому

      I love my himi set and each time I’m afraid to open the lid and see dried paint😀 when the day comes I plan to try arteza tubes, seems like people love it

  • @emanuelagiorgini4451
    @emanuelagiorgini4451 11 днів тому

    Mi regalo Himi gouache per Natale. Sono ottime tempere, costano poco e posso dipingere senza la preoccupazione di 'sprecare' colore. Grazie per la dimostrazione!! 😊👍❤

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  11 днів тому

      Exactly how I feel about HIMI! Gouache that i use without worrying to waste.

  • @serenaevans5582
    @serenaevans5582 5 місяців тому +3

    Lovely presentation

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому

      Thank you✨😍

  • @v4l324
    @v4l324 5 місяців тому +3

    Nice video!

  • @apple_3224
    @apple_3224 5 місяців тому +4

    100/10 video, loved the comparison, super useful to see actual paintings with both brands 🩷👈🏻 thanks :) I would love to keep seeing videos from you, so new sub and please keep doing this kind of reviews with more in depth content about the medium and the possibilities

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому +1

      Thank you very much for support 😍😊

  • @AliMacDonald1
    @AliMacDonald1 2 місяці тому

    There’s no doubt that Holbein gouache is beautiful, and very high quality, but to use it for every piece of work, including practice and sketchbook pieces is beyond the budget of most people. Himi is a great budget friendly option, with a good variety of convenience colours and large amount of paint per cup. Yeah, it’s got its downsides, but for the price point it’s not going to be perfect.

  • @yusrafathima70
    @yusrafathima70 5 місяців тому +4

    Paint more using gouache if possible its very pleasing to watch

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому

      Thank you very much for this comment ☺️ I will paint more

  • @ahaanmalik6147
    @ahaanmalik6147 5 місяців тому

    So pretty 😍😻🤩

  • @Iamrsbm
    @Iamrsbm 2 місяці тому +1

    Oh this is a great video, thank you! I am an absolute beginner and checked a lot of reviews. I bought Holbein primary colours first and for me it is too hard. I ordered Himi now. For me indeed the high price holds me back for just an easy practice. Also the constant mixing is a lot of work. But the thing that most annoys for me, holbein dries super fast on the palette (i'm a slow painter). So you constantly need to add paint and not put to much on your palette otherwise you waste it. So I have high hopes for my Himi that comes tomorrow and hope it make the painting process more fun!

  • @millimilli8122
    @millimilli8122 5 місяців тому

    Olá! Eu sou do Brasil, por isso o comentário em português... Bem, sobre HIMI eu tenho o estojo e gosto muito. Para artistas como eu que só vendem arte se forem digital, compensa muito comprar um material mais barato, ainda que desbote com o tempo. A guache Holbien aqui no Brasil é um absurdo o valor de cada um tubo. Você compraria CADA TUBO aqui por um equivalente a U$20. Logo uma caixa com 12 tubos de Holbien seria cerca de U$600, pois nossos impostos internos e de importação são altos, além do lucro dos revendedores... É algo triste para nós, isso também acontece com outros materiais, mas há marcas legais como a OHUHU que dão um jeito de diminuir impostos para nós e tornar mais acessível. Meu sonho é uma Holbien, mas sei que não compensa tanto em valores exorbitantes para brasileiros, quanto pelo fato de que, como eu disse, eu não vender arte tradicional, e sim fazer apenas para evoluir. 😗 E assim, HIMI dá excelentes resultados como você mostrou. Amo como as jelly são em maioria muito opacas. Gosto de sobreposição, então sim, compensa para quem só vai utilizar como hobbie ou estudo!

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому +1

      Omg it’s not worth it paying 600$ for Holbein 🫣 I believe HIMI is a decent paint! If you have access to it, I recommend getting it 🥰 I love my HIMI set

  • @lisaannef
    @lisaannef 12 днів тому

    Save yourself the money and aggravation. Just skip the awkward Himi box. You can find less expensive gouache in tubes that won't dry out and go wonky like Himi does, if you want to experiment first. Shinhan is the one I love.

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  12 днів тому

      I just checked the price for Shinhan and I can’t say it’s affordable gouache. 72$ for 24 colors on Amazon. Maybe it’s cheaper in other regions. himi is only 23$ for 24 colors.

  • @hannahsssooo
    @hannahsssooo 5 місяців тому +1

    Naah lol

  • @nem92666
    @nem92666 5 місяців тому +6

    im enjoying my himi set but getting the right consistency is such hell sometimes 🥲

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому +1

      So true! It gets transparent pretty easily

  • @99xd70
    @99xd70 5 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for honest reviews 🤍🤍 what about winsor&newton gouache??

    • @kartenita
      @kartenita  5 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for the comment! I haven’t had a chance to try winsor&newton yet. My next gouache to test is Arteza😊