@@ScootsFromNewCastleYour employer being a jerk is not means for a lawsuit. Even if you tried to argue constructive dismissal, the bar for an employer creating a toxic work environment from a legal standpoint is quite difficult to prove.
@@Xiacium1Wrong, it is the only way to ensure you get treated properly. No company with a strong HR department like these are will risk a frivolous complaint against an employee who stands up for themselves. I’m impressed with the company, lots are willing to talk dignity at work, this one has followed that. This line manager will either leave or adjust his ways, hopefully he has been assessed for his own benefit as the message and behaviour can also be a stress indicator.
I would have added "i will also be vigilant and documenting any and all interactions that could be considered constructive dismissal for legal reasons"
YES, great comment dude. an elegant way to make HR aware of the prospect of retaliatory behaviour from the boss and a clear notice of employee's plan on dealing with it.
@@morganseppy5180 It's not showing your hand, it's putting g the company on warning, which the law always likes to see. By stating that you are expecting retaliation and letting the co.pany know you will not tolerate any such action, you now put the onus of watching and preventing constructive dismissal on the company. Prior to such a statement, the company can get away with saying "we were not aware there was an issue with such a tiny cog in the great machine." If you speak up, give them the heads up, and it happens anyway, not only is the retaliation case going to be open and shut for your lawyer, but you get to hit the company with a charge of professional negligence to boot.
@@morganseppy5180 No, because at least in America that is retaliation and is heavily punished under the law. However, it is only retaliation if they are aware of your status as a whistle-blower or victim. If you cannot prove that they knew (as in america, the burden of proof is on the accuser), they can just claim it was an at-will firing. Most companies willing to do this will create a lot of fake paperwork to solidify this idea, too, so you need to get ahead of the ball and show that all this paperwork was drummed up to turn their own beauracracy (I can never spell this fucking word right) against them
Sometimes a supervisor acting like a dick is a stress indicator, they need help. Sometimes a supervisor acting like a dick means they are a dick and need retraining, warning or dismissal. Why should you look for another job, unless you are the issue?
Because it's easier to find a new job than fix a bad company culture as a cog in the wheel? The symptoms don't go away without actual treatment from management. Kinda obvious
@@SweetPea2022 Don’t you think having a little resilience is a good thing? Have you never had an issue you didn’t run away from? I bet you have, so why leave a job you like when it is someone else’s issue? What happens if this guy does something again and is dismissed, after all he’s had his written warning which is a final warning. What happens if he gets a grip and learns from it? I’ve had both, I’ve also had issues that have subtly carried on. It’s all part of living your life rather than a life where you get pushed around. I’ve never run from a problem at work, no one there is going to kill or injure you.
@@gruffy4967 because we live in a system that usually rewards finding new jobs with better pay and advancement - at least in the West. Objectively speaking it often makes sense for people to chase this new meta rather than losing out, because it often rewards them more than being loyal to a badly run company Hoping for change that the company is not incentivised to fix is wishful thinking - better to cut your losses than waste your time and sanity (a much more expensive commodity) at a badly run company. Especially if you are a nobody in the hierarchy. It's not running away, it's walking away from a problem that has nothing to do with you, and won't be fixed by you, nor their HR (whose only interest is protecting the higher ups). You usually have so much choice today that willingly staying in a shitty work environment and bad company culture is on you. Nor do you want to be in one where grudges are held against you and said boss plays passive aggressive instead to get away with it and stay on the final warning.
In this case they are protecting the company from a lawsuit so you are correct yes, they are not protecting her, but his indications could be breaking the law and causing the company a lot of money on fines and lawsuits!
exactly. the formal warning is formally warnning him that if he's going to abuse is subordinates not to leave a paper trail so they don't have to get involved in the future. Based on just getting a "formal warning" the manger must lick a lot of bag of the managers above him.
I must admit that I am rather stunned that HR actually took action on this against the manager. So often, they subtly come down on the employee instead.
I know it wouldn't have helped their mental health or workplace confidence. But I would have kind of liked Mark to come back a final time like, are you serious?! why did you do that?! and literally get the boot 😅 I loved his reaction in part 2 when he was like no don't do that, panic mode, call-call-call 😂
In Debenhams, this used to be rife and HR would refuse to do anything if the accused was a senior member of staff. My now wife, who was subject to bullying and racism, was told to try buying cakes and doughnuts for the team when she raises her concerns.
Not where I work. If you get a formal warning, you don't get a raise or a bonus if they're offered for the entire year. We take that stuff seriously and only use it as a last resort before firing someone.
Not at my work. It goes into a file and when promotions and bonuses come up they use it as an opportunity to deny both. You have to get two years of no further marks to start getting into the running again.
A formal warning in my workplace can ruin your future in the company. I had a colleague who got one years ago and every time she applied to another position within the company she is dropped from consideration or ignored completely.
Well, my i.t. Department is 3 people. Me my colleague and my boss, There is no where to move me to lol. That being said my boss is great so I have no complaints but if I did there would only be the option of getting rid of one of us, I’m more technically skilled and knowledgeable, but he has more experience and is better with corporate speak
And they will keep recording everything as evidence and use it in his eventual lawsuit against the company proving a hostile workplace, retaliation and the company knowing this is taking place and doing nothing to stop it.
@@gruffy4967in the corpote eden where freedom == capitalism, baby! We have At-will labor laws. You can be fired or quit for no reason at all. We have seven(?) protected classes, and common decency is never mentioned. Toxic workplaces are only actionable if they are egregious, like many documented interactions. And the lawyers are rational and don't see the profit in helping you when there are easier cases to win. We don't have labor boards; there is no one to turn to. So tell me how corporate works [wonka meme]
@@qwazxwas lol keep hating. Why are so many people lining up to come live here? This is coming from an Europe to USA immigrant. Also, retaliation might be the best thing to happen. The company will be very quick to settle. And she gets a nice fat check and laughs all the way to the bank
@@qwazxwas Actually you could sue for that in America too, despite what many people believe the U.S. has many worker rights. People mistake At will for having no rights but this simply isn't true. If the boss retaliates then all you have to do is continue making a paper trail and email HR with any and all retaliation attempts to show a hostile work environment. Judges and juries are not dumb and proving retaliation is easier than most people think so long as you take the necessary steps to create a paper trail.
A formal warning? Pathetic!! He was responsible for a toxic workplace and abusing authority. Fire him, otherwise he will stay and treat that employee even worse until they quit anyway. HR is so weak with any level of management.
Fire the line manager? This example is not gross misconduct or criminal. If this was the first occasion, that would be ridiculous and highly likely against policy, but definitely contrary to contractual law and employment legislation. Firing someone for a first offence definitely would mean it was a toxic company.
Ya, this won't end well. Unless they fired him, he'll make their life hell now. I was a team leader and the labeling for the machines and checks took at least 5mins. The product run in all was 2mins. This ended with me being dragged in the office by a new manager after Checks weren't being carried out to spec. I explained it was Mission Impossible. Also, bear in mind a wrong check could cost the company up to ₤500,000. I had to do a product run on their schedule in 2mins, when they knew labelling took at least 5mins. So 7mins in total at least. I quit a few weeks later. This company also gave us a CREAM CAKE when I did over ₤50,000+ in production a day.
They cannot fire him over this without a formal warning and giving him a chance to fix his issues. (UK) Employee law protects the OP, but it does also protect the manager.
Rebecca is fearless, I love it. Though she should look to transfer to a new team or company because her boss sounds like the type that would retaliate in some way.
At the largest bank in America they would "manage out" the problem people...all the while having HR "take the employees concerns very seriously " The moment this happens you simply demand MONEY and the boss's expulsion. Then you leave.. you are NEVER being promoted. I finally got my promotion and then learned how it worked and promptly quit. HR protects the company..they work in tandem with management..don't be fooled.
good point. if the employee isn't able to move teams to a different supervisor, chance of career progression/ promotion is nil - even if the boss doesn't partake in overtly retaliatory behaviour.
Formal warning does nothing. Just like getting a warning for a speeding ticket. Driver knows he can do it without serious consequences. This guy is still going to treat people like crap and may even retaliate against Rebecca.
It may or may not do anything directly at that time to stop someone, but it does document the situation, which is very important for any future issues that may take place.
can someone please tell me what a formal warning is? what does it do? how does it change anything? and please tell me what a boss needs to do to get actually fired?
I work for an organization that its management acts exactly like Mark. The difference is that they phone you or speak to you in person. Never anything on paper or any digital trail, that can be kept by the employee. Then later they cookup any story they want about you, generate the "paperwork" with lies and submits it to HR. HR then does a "fact finding" or "inquiry" and it nearly always ends up with them firing the employee that management targeted. It's your word against managers that are considered beyond reproach. Its cutthroat, anxiety ridden and stressfulAF. 😢
Whoo! FORMAL WARNING!! That'll cause him...um...mild to moderate distress, I guess? Now the retaliation kicks in as suddenly you get all the worst of the last-minute jobs.
In my experience, bosses like this never learn. The bulk of horrible bosses I've had were the owners of a small business, so there was no HR to talk to. And the places where there was HR never saw things my way.
This happened to me and I was forced out. Years latter when a group wanted to take the company to court regarding multiple bullying, then they wanted my help
I find it so odd that these more often than not end with a simple warning. Heck ive seen some say things like "hes got a track record with this kind of behavior in the past" to then be "so we gave him a warning". Feels like a normal employee makes very few or super minor mistakes and get the boot while managers/supervisors seem to be able to get away with so much. I know its a much harder and longer process to replace a more senior position, but i just find it crazy how secure some of those positions seems.
@notroll1279 the HR or Personnel department works only to save the company not the people. They sanctioned the manager because if this case went external and got to court or tribunal the company would be screwed.
The corporate world is just an evil soul sucking nightmare. I couldn’t do it. I got out of the Army and actually thought I could work in the corporate world. Nope.
Im surprised that HR would state the outcome to another staff member. Mark (although could be sacked) has a right to privacy about his disciplinary outcome.
If you stay polite and keep all evidence the law and the rules are on your side. You can tell by the bosses reaction he instantly knew he was in it deep.
HRs job is to protect the company. Usually when you complain, even if they discipline the other person, their goal will be to get rid of the complainer. In general, if things are bad enough that you need to go to HR, you may as well just find a new job.
How many times has he gotten away with this before? People usually just quit and walk away. I love the fact that people keep these texts. I wish I could have done that when I started out.
Problem is people don't change. If he's a bad manager before he will always be a bad manager. It always concerns me more that a company in general doesnt notice these fools and not only hire them but keep them when it's obvious they aren't management material.
How did Mark ever become a manager?!??? He doesn’t seem accountable for his own actions until HR has to get involved. Bugger me, he needs a lot of help.
Yeah - you know when you get a nice response like that from HR that, within the next couple of months, they are going to find an innocuous or without-cause, "completely unrelated" reason to get rid of you...
THE best thing you can do IS QUIT and SAY NOTHING!!!! most companies don't care... the only way to get back at them is just say nothing BE FKIN SILENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HR's response was weaksauce as always. Her supervisor will now take it under advisement that she reported him to HR and will always be looking through her work for the slightest little detail to to have her fired. Either that or he'll drown her in work until she cant keep up and then he'll use that as an excuse to have her fired. Going to HR is always one of the worst things you can do, at least in an American company.
I don’t think One should ever threaten to resign because that could back you into a corner. If someone else is acting wrong. Just leave it blank. Tell HR to take care of it.
Literally took me 3hrs to find the last part of this because of how infuriating he is with these shorts. No links nothing but a “part 3” on a channel loaded with part 2 and 3s
People often say "Don't go to HR, they work for the company not you!" Yeah, but they likely don't work for your direct supervisor either. If their supervisors behavior is putting the company at risk, they will normally can him. Just don't notice because people rarely go viral for tiktoks about problems that were promptly responded to and properly resolved. Carefully pick your battles, but once you've picked them don't be scared to talk to HR (in writing)
Where was the technology when I was younger and had issues with bosses. If we had evidence like this, a lot of companies would change management every month. Especially in the hotel industry
In Tennessee you would be fired for starting trouble in a right to work state you can be fired for anything if they don't like you or they don't like what you have on or like me I got cancer treatment took a year so there's no way in our state you can ever move ahead or complain.
Now, look out for retaliation.
Let him try. She's got the paper trail. If he does retaliate, she has evidence to show that he's deliberately targeting her
She will looking out for a check afterwards when she sues for that at least in the US
Yup, that is essentially a notice letter, unfortunately
@@ScootsFromNewCastleYour employer being a jerk is not means for a lawsuit.
Even if you tried to argue constructive dismissal, the bar for an employer creating a toxic work environment from a legal standpoint is quite difficult to prove.
@@Xiacium1Wrong, it is the only way to ensure you get treated properly. No company with a strong HR department like these are will risk a frivolous complaint against an employee who stands up for themselves. I’m impressed with the company, lots are willing to talk dignity at work, this one has followed that. This line manager will either leave or adjust his ways, hopefully he has been assessed for his own benefit as the message and behaviour can also be a stress indicator.
The sheer panic from Mark when he realized he couldn’t just bully her and get away with it was pure beauty, lol.
I would have added "i will also be vigilant and documenting any and all interactions that could be considered constructive dismissal for legal reasons"
YES, great comment dude. an elegant way to make HR aware of the prospect of retaliatory behaviour from the boss and a clear notice of employee's plan on dealing with it.
@@armukthat last bit...doesn't seems smart to show your hand
@@morganseppy5180 It's not showing your hand, it's putting g the company on warning, which the law always likes to see. By stating that you are expecting retaliation and letting the co.pany know you will not tolerate any such action, you now put the onus of watching and preventing constructive dismissal on the company. Prior to such a statement, the company can get away with saying "we were not aware there was an issue with such a tiny cog in the great machine." If you speak up, give them the heads up, and it happens anyway, not only is the retaliation case going to be open and shut for your lawyer, but you get to hit the company with a charge of professional negligence to boot.
@@connortobin3775 went wouldn't they just fire you as soon as you say that you are building a suit against the company when you quit?
@@morganseppy5180 No, because at least in America that is retaliation and is heavily punished under the law. However, it is only retaliation if they are aware of your status as a whistle-blower or victim. If you cannot prove that they knew (as in america, the burden of proof is on the accuser), they can just claim it was an at-will firing. Most companies willing to do this will create a lot of fake paperwork to solidify this idea, too, so you need to get ahead of the ball and show that all this paperwork was drummed up to turn their own beauracracy (I can never spell this fucking word right) against them
The day I feel like I have to report my supervisor for unprofessional behavior is the day before I start looking for another job.
Sometimes a supervisor acting like a dick is a stress indicator, they need help. Sometimes a supervisor acting like a dick means they are a dick and need retraining, warning or dismissal. Why should you look for another job, unless you are the issue?
Because it's easier to find a new job than fix a bad company culture as a cog in the wheel? The symptoms don't go away without actual treatment from management.
Kinda obvious
@gruffy4967 Who needs the stress of his now possible sutble retaliation?
I'd be out, too!
@@SweetPea2022 Don’t you think having a little resilience is a good thing? Have you never had an issue you didn’t run away from? I bet you have, so why leave a job you like when it is someone else’s issue? What happens if this guy does something again and is dismissed, after all he’s had his written warning which is a final warning. What happens if he gets a grip and learns from it? I’ve had both, I’ve also had issues that have subtly carried on. It’s all part of living your life rather than a life where you get pushed around. I’ve never run from a problem at work, no one there is going to kill or injure you.
@@gruffy4967 because we live in a system that usually rewards finding new jobs with better pay and advancement - at least in the West.
Objectively speaking it often makes sense for people to chase this new meta rather than losing out, because it often rewards them more than being loyal to a badly run company
Hoping for change that the company is not incentivised to fix is wishful thinking - better to cut your losses than waste your time and sanity (a much more expensive commodity) at a badly run company. Especially if you are a nobody in the hierarchy.
It's not running away, it's walking away from a problem that has nothing to do with you, and won't be fixed by you, nor their HR (whose only interest is protecting the higher ups).
You usually have so much choice today that willingly staying in a shitty work environment and bad company culture is on you. Nor do you want to be in one where grudges are held against you and said boss plays passive aggressive instead to get away with it and stay on the final warning.
Now imagine that the Alex in this story is the same Alex that resigned when the boss tried to cancel his holiday.
It’s funny how all his stories the same names pop up - almost like he’s making these up! 😳
@@gregm3702 Or he's not using real names?
@@belinus7180 most likely.
Remember guys, HR only exists to protect the company, and not you, an employee.
In this case they are protecting the company from a lawsuit so you are correct yes, they are not protecting her, but his indications could be breaking the law and causing the company a lot of money on fines and lawsuits!
exactly. the formal warning is formally warnning him that if he's going to abuse is subordinates not to leave a paper trail so they don't have to get involved in the future.
Based on just getting a "formal warning" the manger must lick a lot of bag of the managers above him.
Mark is NOT the company
AND this is the power struggle that you speak of between those with the "power" and the rest of us minions
I must admit that I am rather stunned that HR actually took action on this against the manager. So often, they subtly come down on the employee instead.
I know it wouldn't have helped their mental health or workplace confidence. But I would have kind of liked Mark to come back a final time like, are you serious?! why did you do that?! and literally get the boot 😅 I loved his reaction in part 2 when he was like no don't do that, panic mode, call-call-call 😂
That was a well worded email. Well done Rebecca, kick ass
In Debenhams, this used to be rife and HR would refuse to do anything if the accused was a senior member of staff. My now wife, who was subject to bullying and racism, was told to try buying cakes and doughnuts for the team when she raises her concerns.
I hope she was able to move to a better employer quickly.
A "formal warning" is HR code for we had some beers and a good laugh at this
Not where I work. If you get a formal warning, you don't get a raise or a bonus if they're offered for the entire year. We take that stuff seriously and only use it as a last resort before firing someone.
Not at my work. It goes into a file and when promotions and bonuses come up they use it as an opportunity to deny both. You have to get two years of no further marks to start getting into the running again.
A formal warning in my workplace can ruin your future in the company.
I had a colleague who got one years ago and every time she applied to another position within the company she is dropped from consideration or ignored completely.
No. HR's job is to avoid lawsuits, and this boss is on the edge of costing the business a lot. The formal warning is serious.
If the employee isn't assigned a different manager the company isn't doing their job properly.
Well, my i.t. Department is 3 people. Me my colleague and my boss,
There is no where to move me to lol.
That being said my boss is great so I have no complaints but if I did there would only be the option of getting rid of one of us,
I’m more technically skilled and knowledgeable, but he has more experience and is better with corporate speak
He gets a warning from HR then will proceed to treat OP like the enemy until OP resigns.
And they will keep recording everything as evidence and use it in his eventual lawsuit against the company proving a hostile workplace, retaliation and the company knowing this is taking place and doing nothing to stop it.
I note there are at the time of writing there are 37 other people who agree with you and clearly have no idea how a real workplace functions.
@@chrishubbard64you will never win a lawsuit vs someone with more money
@@gruffy4967 You obviously don't live in the US
@@gruffy4967in the corpote eden where freedom == capitalism, baby! We have At-will labor laws. You can be fired or quit for no reason at all. We have seven(?) protected classes, and common decency is never mentioned. Toxic workplaces are only actionable if they are egregious, like many documented interactions. And the lawyers are rational and don't see the profit in helping you when there are easier cases to win. We don't have labor boards; there is no one to turn to.
So tell me how corporate works [wonka meme]
And now she will be worked out of the company
She has this on record, she can take them to a tribunal if that transpires.
@@WoodlandAshwrong
@@eittam43depends on which country.
The whole world is not shitty america.
@@qwazxwas lol keep hating. Why are so many people lining up to come live here? This is coming from an Europe to USA immigrant. Also, retaliation might be the best thing to happen. The company will be very quick to settle. And she gets a nice fat check and laughs all the way to the bank
@@qwazxwas Actually you could sue for that in America too, despite what many people believe the U.S. has many worker rights.
People mistake At will for having no rights but this simply isn't true.
If the boss retaliates then all you have to do is continue making a paper trail and email HR with any and all retaliation attempts to show a hostile work environment.
Judges and juries are not dumb and proving retaliation is easier than most people think so long as you take the necessary steps to create a paper trail.
Definitely no exaggeration in the “Destroyed” portion of this title 🙄
A formal warning? Pathetic!! He was responsible for a toxic workplace and abusing authority. Fire him, otherwise he will stay and treat that employee even worse until they quit anyway. HR is so weak with any level of management.
Fire the line manager? This example is not gross misconduct or criminal. If this was the first occasion, that would be ridiculous and highly likely against policy, but definitely contrary to contractual law and employment legislation.
Firing someone for a first offence definitely would mean it was a toxic company.
Funny enough, he gets unlimited warnings
Sounds like HR gave him a slap on the wrist ... want to see aftermath what happens after this
Ya, this won't end well. Unless they fired him, he'll make their life hell now. I was a team leader and the labeling for the machines and checks took at least 5mins. The product run in all was 2mins. This ended with me being dragged in the office by a new manager after Checks weren't being carried out to spec. I explained it was Mission Impossible. Also, bear in mind a wrong check could cost the company up to ₤500,000. I had to do a product run on their schedule in 2mins, when they knew labelling took at least 5mins. So 7mins in total at least. I quit a few weeks later.
This company also gave us a CREAM CAKE when I did over ₤50,000+ in production a day.
They cannot fire him over this without a formal warning and giving him a chance to fix his issues. (UK)
Employee law protects the OP, but it does also protect the manager.
Rebecca is fearless, I love it.
Though she should look to transfer to a new team or company because her boss sounds like the type that would retaliate in some way.
It's awesome the HR department was willing to back the employee.
At the largest bank in America they would "manage out" the problem people...all the while having HR "take the employees concerns very seriously "
The moment this happens you simply demand MONEY and the boss's expulsion. Then you leave.. you are NEVER being promoted. I finally got my promotion and then learned how it worked and promptly quit. HR protects the company..they work in tandem with management..don't be fooled.
good point. if the employee isn't able to move teams to a different supervisor, chance of career progression/ promotion is nil - even if the boss doesn't partake in overtly retaliatory behaviour.
I'm watching at 4am... I'm inclined to contact HR, too 😅 this is awesome
Copy your personal email and lawyers email when you do.
Our HR just ignores the horrible things the managers do! 😢
Formal warning does nothing. Just like getting a warning for a speeding ticket. Driver knows he can do it without serious consequences. This guy is still going to treat people like crap and may even retaliate against Rebecca.
It may or may not do anything directly at that time to stop someone, but it does document the situation, which is very important for any future issues that may take place.
Not in the UK. It's serious. And, they cannot fire without first giving a formal warning...
Oh! She’s now got a target on her back!
LOL, HR is the corporate immune system.
I'm always amazed when HR actually takes the side of the employee. That's never been my experience, in a 30+ year career.
More than likely, Mark was jist told, "Quit putting that shit in writing!"
Finally a decent HR Dept!
can someone please tell me what a formal warning is? what does it do? how does it change anything? and please tell me what a boss needs to do to get actually fired?
Goes on your HR record and if you pulled up for something else it will be considered either for a final warning or dismissal.
She might as well resign. Cause Mark isn’t gonna leave her. He is gonna be aiming to find faults.
I work for an organization that its management acts exactly like Mark. The difference is that they phone you or speak to you in person. Never anything on paper or any digital trail, that can be kept by the employee. Then later they cookup any story they want about you, generate the "paperwork" with lies and submits it to HR. HR then does a "fact finding" or "inquiry" and it nearly always ends up with them firing the employee that management targeted. It's your word against managers that are considered beyond reproach.
Its cutthroat, anxiety ridden and stressfulAF. 😢
Record phone calls if you believe this is happening
@@jamesrutter4100 recording internal phone conversations is a guaranteed fireable offense.
Wow an HR that protected an employee? Never seen that before.
He hit a formal warning but KEPT HIS JOB?!?!?!?!
I am speechless...HR doing something that does not screw the employee over!
Whoo! FORMAL WARNING!! That'll cause him...um...mild to moderate distress, I guess? Now the retaliation kicks in as suddenly you get all the worst of the last-minute jobs.
Im surprised HR actually sided with the employee. In the U.S. you have to be extremely careful what you take to HR as it is often used against you.
I wonder what would happen to mark if Rebecca instead tendered that resignation. Mark would be teetering on tippy toes
In my experience, bosses like this never learn. The bulk of horrible bosses I've had were the owners of a small business, so there was no HR to talk to. And the places where there was HR never saw things my way.
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This happened to me and I was forced out. Years latter when a group wanted to take the company to court regarding multiple bullying, then they wanted my help
And then mark was promoted. Lol
Well done Alex!
I find it so odd that these more often than not end with a simple warning. Heck ive seen some say things like "hes got a track record with this kind of behavior in the past" to then be "so we gave him a warning". Feels like a normal employee makes very few or super minor mistakes and get the boot while managers/supervisors seem to be able to get away with so much.
I know its a much harder and longer process to replace a more senior position, but i just find it crazy how secure some of those positions seems.
HR really did nothing but at least now you have official communication for when they get fired so you can sue the company.
I've worked with various companies large and small but never seen an HR department taking sides against a superior in such a dispute.
@notroll1279 the HR or Personnel department works only to save the company not the people. They sanctioned the manager because if this case went external and got to court or tribunal the company would be screwed.
SLAAAAYYYY QUEEEEEEEENNNNNN!!!!!!!!
Well done hr
The worker that complained will be fired later on that week for numerous unrelated performance issues that just suddenly cropped up.
So there are really realities were HR actually takes action against managers!
>slaps on the wrist
I have a feeling he will make her quit on her own
The corporate world is just an evil soul sucking nightmare. I couldn’t do it. I got out of the Army and actually thought I could work in the corporate world. Nope.
Hope she got some extra time off to make up for the interruption to her holiday.
"He was acting like a complete twat"
Are you sure it's an act?
Hmm. And Mark still employed. This is the proof that HR is not there for you.
Im surprised that HR would state the outcome to another staff member. Mark (although could be sacked) has a right to privacy about his disciplinary outcome.
I love how he folds the minute consequences are introduced.
I bet he's still behaving that way
If you stay polite and keep all evidence the law and the rules are on your side.
You can tell by the bosses reaction he instantly knew he was in it deep.
HRs job is to protect the company. Usually when you complain, even if they discipline the other person, their goal will be to get rid of the complainer. In general, if things are bad enough that you need to go to HR, you may as well just find a new job.
HR did nothing, and protected the company. As HR will do, 100% of the time.
they reprimanded mark because they fear the person (dont know if male or female) will sue the company for his unprofessionalism
How many times has he gotten away with this before? People usually just quit and walk away. I love the fact that people keep these texts. I wish I could have done that when I started out.
oh no, not a formal warning...
Problem is people don't change. If he's a bad manager before he will always be a bad manager. It always concerns me more that a company in general doesnt notice these fools and not only hire them but keep them when it's obvious they aren't management material.
How did Mark ever become a manager?!??? He doesn’t seem accountable for his own actions until HR has to get involved. Bugger me, he needs a lot of help.
So then what do people do, they go back and work side-by-side with people they just had written up by HR? How awkward
Yeah - you know when you get a nice response like that from HR that, within the next couple of months, they are going to find an innocuous or without-cause, "completely unrelated" reason to get rid of you...
That's why you dont answer the phone , text, and email only, all evidence collected.
If this happened in the US the employee would have been disciplined and then be subjected to retaliation.
I love how the British say twat 😂
That’s because that’s the right way!
a Warning?? nah not good enough
I hate seeing these out of order,
Less than a slap on the wrist
THE best thing you can do IS QUIT and SAY NOTHING!!!!
most companies don't care... the only way to get back at them is just say nothing BE FKIN SILENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately he will now have to resign...
HR doing the bare minimum when presented with no other option is a win?
I'm not sure HR have any right to tell them what action they took with Mark
This is also why it's important do you have all discussions like this over text
The issue is how are managers not informed and trained on how to manage staff. It’s really not that difficult. Treat people as you wish to be treated.
Yeah but did they refund her days off since he stressed her out? She should have those days back.
HR's response was weaksauce as always. Her supervisor will now take it under advisement that she reported him to HR and will always be looking through her work for the slightest little detail to to have her fired. Either that or he'll drown her in work until she cant keep up and then he'll use that as an excuse to have her fired. Going to HR is always one of the worst things you can do, at least in an American company.
So.. mark was given a slap on a wrist, and the other personal have to wait for the retaliation to begin.
I don’t think One should ever threaten to resign because that could back you into a corner. If someone else is acting wrong. Just leave it blank. Tell HR to take care of it.
Literally took me 3hrs to find the last part of this because of how infuriating he is with these shorts. No links nothing but a “part 3” on a channel loaded with part 2 and 3s
Have lost hopes with HR, they work for the management and tge company, not for employees.
A formal reprimand means future retaliation
A formal warning? If it was the other way around she would be fired instantly old
People often say "Don't go to HR, they work for the company not you!" Yeah, but they likely don't work for your direct supervisor either. If their supervisors behavior is putting the company at risk, they will normally can him. Just don't notice because people rarely go viral for tiktoks about problems that were promptly responded to and properly resolved.
Carefully pick your battles, but once you've picked them don't be scared to talk to HR (in writing)
Mark should have been canned
90% of staff would just leave most experience hr as damage limitation for management and are never the employees friend
Timpsons think and I quote you better leave and you better leave nice and friendly
He; Mark; drive Alex away. And then tries to blame her. He should be fired by now.
Unionize y'all
lol warning....
Where was the technology when I was younger and had issues with bosses. If we had evidence like this, a lot of companies would change management every month. Especially in the hotel industry
In Tennessee you would be fired for starting trouble in a right to work state you can be fired for anything if they don't like you or they don't like what you have on or like me I got cancer treatment took a year so there's no way in our state you can ever move ahead or complain.