"Take the bike over some whoops fast and see what happens to you." Is the same logic and brain0power energy as "Try to pedal a bicycle into a fresh snowfall unplowed 4ft tall berm of snow and see what happens to you." Like.. Yeah..? Using the wrong tool for the job will always have an outcome that is undesirable or will require much more effort than if you used the correct tool. No one is saying the CRF250F or the KLX/TTR are top tier motorcross bikes capable of handling such things, at least stock. But you know what, if you spend about a grand in the suspension, and then get a big bore kit for the 250f you will have a heavier, but much less maintenance prone motorcross bike while still being cheaper than the entry level 9k bikes. Yes it wouldn't be ABSOLUTELY ON PAR with a purpose built machine, but no individual rider can really push their bike to even 80% of its capabilities anyway, people buying 450s in that regard make me laugh. Buying a bigger bike just makes you a lazy rider IMHO.
@@akustaka I’m almost certain the commenter bought a crf250f, took it over some whoops he was not ready to hit, failed, and then decided to blame the suspension and take it out in this guy’s comments.
@@harrisonclark3799 I'm not too sure, because he ripped the KLX and TTR bikes as well. So I think he is more part of the elitist group of KTM/Husky (GasGas not so much) guys who think their better than everyone else because their bike costs 4k more out the door.
@@notsoupmoto I've ridden a 450, even had a rekluse on it, and in the trails it was such a PIG to throw around. The reciprocating mass of the large piston going up and down makes the bike VERY hard to lean and whip around or do what you want with it. 450s only make sense for hare scrambles or desert runs, even most professionals don't run 450s, that should tell you a lot.
@@notsoupmoto absolutely. I'm torn between the crf250f, Yz125x & Crf150r. Never ridden a dirt bike. Naturally the Crf250f would be the way to go but I need something with a lil more aggression. Which one would you go with?..
@@thegreat1548 you should also be sure to consider your height and weight. check out my crf250f sizing video for sizing specific to that bike. ua-cam.com/video/YVN34KEnspQ/v-deo.htmlsi=-3VX7Ay4dn9tdpEG but if you're looking for something with a little more aggression and are taller than... idk let's say 5'6" ish, then you'd probably be just fine on the yz125x. I think the 125 two strokes are fantastic beginner bikes if you're big enough to be comfortable on them and they will certainly give you more get up and go than the crf250f will. If you're on the smaller side, the 150r would be a good choice if you want something with more pep. although i've never ridden one personally
You said it, the most dangerous part of any bike is the person sitting on it. That bike is a great bike. If you want to ride moto or harder stuff get a different bike. Great video and explanation.
I enjoyed the rant and the riding great footage. You approached the user feedback logically and comprehensibly. No ego. No emotional reaction. Genuinely curious if the comment made by the viewer may be legitimate. Started a dialogue with the viewer. Fell back on your experience with this Honda model and other dirt bikes. Made a determination and expressed your view. I can't really express how nice it is to listen to somebody (you) whose thought processes are clear, precise, logical, and clearly articulated. It should't be so rare it our society, but for whatever reason, it is, and getting scarcer by the year. So refreshing! Keep making content and I'm sure you'll find an large audience!
My friend has a 125f and it is great for riding around on and having fun i would never take it on a moto cross track and congrats on 1k i was your 546th sub your content is great and i hope to see more of your content in the future you will be at 5 k in no time .
you should do a little build on it, i do recommend putting the BBR front and rear suspense on it, it will make the bike handle better. and its not too expansive
TLDR the front end can be dangerous due to the porting(valving? of the forks) at the higher end of second gear (29.6mph) especially if you're near the weight limit of the bike (220lbs, geared I was under by 5lbs last year). My experience on dirt bikes is primary trail bikes which includes the 2020 CRF250F, 1988 XR200R (most relatable to the CRF250F) and the 2001 XR400R all of which are in the same class of the CRF250F though at different sized engines. XR200R 23hp (6 gears), 240lbs, 36mm cartridge forks (10" travel) CRF250F 21hp (5 gears), 260lbs, 41mm cartridge forks (9.5" travel) When I strictly compare the two bikes previously mentioned (XR200R vs CRF250F) together I cant disagree with the previous poster. Compared to a 36 year old bike the CRF250F is dangerous. The CRF250F's front end is a glaringly big weak link of the bike that cripples it from even reaching half of its full potential, it's designed way way too soft which results in a absurdly low safety ceiling (2nd gear) that even beginners can begin to hit and experience within a handful of rides though they wont know it. Meanwhile a 36 year old XR200R which is also a beginner bike they could learn safely from 1st gear to 6th gear without the front end throwing them in the same setting. While the front end may not stand out to you as a major issue due to the nature of trail riding, In a harescramble race setting where you hit the same spots repeatedly and end up with similar outcomes despite tackling it slightly different it becomes obvious where the problem is. Unfortunately you simply strawmanned away his argument of "taking it into terrain it wasn't meant to be taken to" which is a cop-out. Hes giving you the shortest text answer to see where the problem lies without writing a wall of text like I have. Unfortunately whoops come in a vast variety of shapes, sizes, spacing, etc so defining what a medium to large whoop is to one person and another can take on a very broad range from one person to the next... I can tell you personally that I've been thrown off the stock front suspension on 2-3 INCH max "whoops" (gentle rolling depression) on the CRF250F in 3rd gear (29.6-39.9mph) when the front forks decided to suddenly compress fully and tucked underneath me, thankfully it was between gaps of trees so my injuries were limited to bruising and hurt pride. I raced the bike all last year in Harescramble races, which are nothing more than competitive single-trail riding which you say it cant do??? Sure its not going to win B and A class races but amongst beginners the bike is very capable if you fix its one problem. After extensive trial an error and ruling out tire selection with similar results I can say the front end porting(valving? whatever) can be and is in certain situations dangerous due to how soft it is (even compared to the XR200R). It's unfortunately ported way to soft towards comfort and not safety oriented to the bike's capabilities (otherwise it only needs 2 gears), it can and will result in the front end Pogo-sticking uncontrollably when you load the front forks up. After I upgraded the forks with Tuscany Racings "good pressure" fork upgrade for 350USD (there's other options like bruce's suspension, or Race Tech Gold Valves) those sudden unexpected throws stopped and I was able to finally safely utilize 3rd and 4th gear safely, of course due to the limitations of the shock technology employed on the bike I felt like a rented mule after those races but at least the bike stayed underneath me. After a few races running the good pressure kit I decided around November to bite the bullet and swapped the front end out with an 07 CRF250R's front end and now the bike is truly at its best a true top tier woods bike contender waiting on a better fit rider (Im working on that part). I harescramble raced the CRF250F all last year on my channel and a good portion of this year I ran the stock front suspension from Feb 2023 to June 2023 I ran the stock front suspension with good pressure kit ($350.00) installed from June 2023 to December 2023 and the goofy wrecks stopped happening and I was able to ride faster and more importantly safer for 350 dollars to put it on par with a 36 year old XR200R not a modern day race bike but the classic 36 year older farm bike you claim it to be.
I don’t disagree with you that upgrading the suspension and specially tailoring it to a specific task (harescramble racing in your case) on the crf250f will make it far more capable. I also agree that when you take it over more aggressive terrains at higher speeds, the front suspension does begin to show issues. However, I guess the point I was attempting to illustrate in this video was that the bike was simply not designed to be a harescramble race bike. (Although you’re totally right that with only a few modifications it can easily become quite a capable harescramble racing machine.) And because the bike was designed with the utmost beginner rider in mind, a rider who will be taking it over the most gentle terrain (fields, farm roads, a very beginner tame atv trail perhaps) the it’s a bit unfair to label the bike as “dangerous”. Yes, the suspension can be dangerous when doing the things you mentioned in your comment. Which once again, I must say was very well written and explained based on your experience and personal use case of the crf250f. I just think that the intended design of the bike and average rider’s use of the bike is important so I don’t think it’s right to label it “dangerous” and end up scaring people away from it when it may be the perfect choice to help them learn the fundamentals. Clearly you are beyond that point in your riding experience and therefore can make necessary modifications to tailor the bike to your intended use case or get a different bike altogether that better fits what you want to do with it. I do appreciate your feedback though! Thanks for sharing the more technical specs of the suspension. Porting and all that stuff, which I don’t have the knowledge about. Cheers!
Just bought a 24 crf250f it’s perfect for riding around farm land and teaching wife and teens to learn the basics tons of fun still can ride wheelies and have a blast on been riding for 12 years and still have fun every time I ride it
Hey, this is the first video ive seen of yours. Completly agree with what youve mentioned. I gave you a follow. A word of critisism, even if its a rant video you should still give us some actual dirtbike sounds. Watching you guys ride and not getting to hear any of it was a total letdown.
Thanks for the comment! I appreciate the feedback as well. I’ll experiment with adding some more ambient noise back into the audio in future videos. Great suggestion!
This bike crushed some decent hill climbs. And it handles some whoops out in the desert pretty well in high 3rd gear. The only thing holding this bike back is my own skill issues. I’ve even jumped this bike on my local track and it was fine. Not huge air mind you but I weigh 200lbs and I still haven’t bottomed out
My friend got a 2014 CRF250L recently, and its his first dirt bike. He loves it, and it's been great so far. It's definitely a little under-sprung for advanced riders, but it feels like a Cadillac going down the trail. You could ride it all day over fairly rough terrain with very minimal fatigue. What will get you hurt is riding at high speeds over obstacles that you, or the bike, can't handle. Same goes for any bike that has a lower spring rate than your weight requires, or damping settings that are way off. Always ride within your capabilities on whatever bike you happen to be on!
another fair point is rider weight. if you're riding a stock bike and you weigh 280lbs, your gonna have a much more difficult time with suspension if its not valved for your weight especially if it already has soft suspension to begin with. don't feel like people really think about that sometimes either
Yes that’s the thing. No bike, whether beginner trail bike or full caliber race bike is going to have the perfect suspension settings for every rider from the factory
There are lots of trails they develop deep whoops from lots of use. Mostly sandy or loose soil trails do that. That said I do agree with you on not over riding the bike. The bike is nit designed to go very fast. It's designed to simply get you there in a nice reliable way.
actually, your forks wouldn't bottom out. Damping rod forks dont like quick hits and dont like to compress quickly because the orifice damping doesnt allow the fork oil to flow fast enough to compress that quickly. I think if you do find a set of whoops in the desert or something and try to blitz them on your TTR, KLX etc. , your wrists will probably take most of the impact since the forks will practically become jackhammers unless you modify your forks with some cartridge emulators and stiffer springs.
It’s a great trail bike. What it’s lacking in suspension makes up for in being tall and the power is decent.. plenty really for most trails and single tracks.
I have a 250F. As a 6'5" 200lb guy the suspension was a bit soft. I had it upgraded by Bruce and it was night and day better. It's a great bike for what it is (beginner trail bike). Obviously it won't compete with a 300 XC-W, buy it's less than half the price. Good to try out riding before you want to drop big money. Also resale prices don't seem too bad for them
Thanks for the comment! I also highly recommend people to test ride if at all possible before buying. That's THE best way to know if a bike is right for you.
He probably just bought one and didn't like it, blamed his failures on the bike. You should've asked him what specifically was wrong with the suspension.
Great video! I really enjoyed it. Everything you said makes sense-the CRF250F is a fantastic little trail machine. Keep hitting those trails, and don't worry about the haters!
Hey buddy. I have owned my 250 F for about four months and I have it set up just the way I like it. I put the headlight and tail light kit on it and have really cool bag for my stuff on the handle bar. BUT… I feel like I want more bike. What do you recommend??? I ride desert trails out here in Phx AZ.
Maybe look into the Yamaha WR250 or something comparable. Possibly even the WR450. Would probably be great on desert trails and give you that increased power you’re looking for
I own the crf 250f as my first bike and I mainly chose it because its a trail bike and doesn't need as much maintence as the race bike but now that I have ridden both trail bikes and race bikes I can say that I enjoy the trail bike more overall. I feel like on the race bike in my case it was a kx 250 I had to hold on a lot tighter and it wasnt as smooth and chilled out than the crf 250f. If you want a bike that can do literally anything but jumps and dont want to have to service it as much I would recomend buying a crf 250f, you can cruise on it without feeling like the bike is controlling you, not you controlling the bike.
As someone who just got the crf250f last month, I can say confidently that this bike is great! I’m a beginner rider who started riding on a xr100r the beginning of this year. I’ve progressed quickly and recently upgraded to the crf250f. I’ve rode it many times, and haven’t had a single problem with it. Yet I have a question, I’m a female rider and I want to try single track for the first time, yet where I live ( middle Mississippi) there is almost no dirt bike trails that I know of, there’s tons of side by side trails, and I would be fine with that if they weren’t so muddy, any suggestions?
Thanks for reaching out and glad to hear you’re enjoying the bike so far! I personally don’t have much knowledge of the trails available to ride in Mississippi so I won’t be much help on that front. However, what I can tell you is that the way I tend to find trails is to talk to other people who ride woods a lot and see where they ride. It may be private land, or even public land but places where the trails are hidden and only known to locals. If you don’t know anyone who rides a lot of single track, try to look for any local race series such as gncc or hare scramble events and try to get to know some people there! The locals will surely know the best places to ride single track and you may even make some new friends while you’re at it:) Cheers!
I 100% agree with what you are saying here, the crf 250f is an amazing bike if you are using it the way it was made to be used. But if you are someone who wants to take your bike to a track and hit big jumps this is not a good bike "for you". before I say this I would like to say I have nothing against Honda, and I even own a Cr 125 2 stroke. Though I will say my dad has a crf 125f, and the suspension on that bike was not nearly as good as the suspension on my ttr 125. but that is okey because that bike was not made to need good suspension it is made for trial riding not racing.
I have a cfr125f and a 250f and I'm out on the trials at our ohv trails I'm running with the big boys and faster that's what I enjoy to do at my age not a motorcross track I've been driving since the 80 so yeah I've had some badass bikes at my age in the terrain I ride I can keep up with anybody
Couldn't agree with u more ❤..the real problem probably is that he's stuck with a bike that he doesn't want anymore n secretly wants a crf 250f...I have a 2021,awesome bike .got it for minor trails n couldn't ask for a better bike ,very under estimated
Honda should have kept building the XR250 and added estart and maybe EFI. I have a 2003 XR250 and it runs circles around the CRF suspension wise and power wise.
Hey Soup Moto, I’m 15 years old, 6 feet tall, and weigh 270 pounds. I’ve had some experience on a dirt bike before-I had one for about a year when I was 8. Now that I’m older,15 and living in Tennessee, where there are tons of great trails right by my house, I’m eager to get back into dirt biking. I currently ride trails on my four-wheeler and my dad’s Can-Am side-by-side, but I’m really looking to step up my game. I’m trying to convince my parents to get me a dirt bike and was wondering if you’d recommend the CRF250F for my size and experience, or if there’s another model you think would be better. Your videos have really inspired me, so I’d love to hear your advice! Thanks a lot for your help!
Thanks for reaching out! I'm glad to hear that the videos have been helpful and an inspiration. If you like the idea of the crf250f and just want something to putt around on, I think it would be just fine to get you back into riding dirt bikes. I'm 6ft and around 160lbs so the stock suspension works fine for me and I can get away with the size of the bike (a bit on the tiny side) however to be more comfortable, it would be a good idea to get a set of taller bars. So, for you, if you wanted to go with the crf250f, I'd recommend getting a set of taller bars and getting heavier springs. You can find them on hyperlite moto. That would make it ride much nicer for you and be a lot more comfortable. If you wanted to go for another bike, honestly you'd fit just fine on a full size bike so you have a range of options. I would stay away from 450s or 250 two strokes as they are a lot of power for someone just getting back into riding and it would make your experience less enjoyable. You could look into something like the crf250rx, yz250fx, or even the yz125x possibly. Even some of the dual sports would probably be awesome for you. If you do some research on any other bikes, feel free to reach out to me in the comments and ask me about it and I'd be happy to share my thoughts! Wish you the best on your dirt bike journey! -Soup
@@notsoupmoto Thanks a ton for the advice! I’m planning to go with the CRF250F and as you suggested get some taller bars and some heavier springs, if i can convince my parents, wish me luck, again thank you so much, have a good one.
Love these 220+ guys wining about the suspension . Lose some weight because the manual states that the bikes are not meant for them. I will get another Mx bike for that type of riding. But I bought this because it fit me better at 5-6 (165 lbs) and planned to ride SLOW with my daughter on the 125 fb
Yeah just have to know what type of riding you want to do and understand what type of riding the bike is meant for. Also as far as bigger riders go, you can always get heavier springs. It’s impossible to make factory suspension settings/hardware work for everybody
I’m sure you’re already aware. But maybe this will clear up any confusion regarding the topic of this video. Sounds like the guy is trying to say the crf250, ttr’s, and klx bikes will limit your progression as a rider. If you plan on progressing beyond a beginner level of riding. Purchasing a new one of these bikes doesn’t make sense financially. Because you will be ready for more performance within a short amount of time. And it will be difficult to get your money back out of the bike when you decide to upgrade
You nail it that me hitting a huge jump full speed down a hill on my mine bike and crashing it and getting hurt and saying it the bike fult no it would be all my fult because I know the bike wasn't built to do that
its a trail bike not a race bike like the R, its for just going normal riding. and to the comment its the riders fault not the bike for picking a bike not made for jumping or a track thats on you.
nice content, i just bought the same model, but the problem the front brake when i squeeze the lever it is very stiff, i have sent to Honda to fixed the problem but it is not that good, i was wondering if you have the same problem, if yes what did you do to it, thanks
Thanks! Is it the lever pull that feels stiff before the brake engages or after? Or something else? You can adjust when the brake grabs by adjusting the lever. Should show you how in the manual but idk if that’s the problem you’re describing or not?
@@notsoupmoto My lever is not adjustable, i mean if i pull the lever it goes only 1/2in and i have to put 3 or 4 fingers to make the bike completely stop. I have seen other bike the brake lever is soft just like a clutch lever.
@@muddyboots-mac oh interesting. I have not had that problem with mine but to me it sounds like it could be an issue with something other than the lever. Fluid level, pads, brake line... I'm not a skilled mechanic myself so I'm not sure what to tell you
Actually no offense but you are both partially wrong. A motocross bike isn't the ideal woods weapon. It's a suspension is specifically set up for hitting big jumps and carving hairpin turns at Max speed. And a klx 300r is literally the chassis of one of historically the most competitive hare scrambles bikes ever, the kdx 200. They have since come out with better bikes for gncc racing and hard Enduro specific purposes but none of it means anything if it isn't sprung, valved and set up to your individual weight and intended purpose. A motocross bike is intentionally power curved for the purpose of being on "the pipe" it generally lacks the bottom end power that is desirable for woods riding. Although modern mapping configurations are making some of these bikes more cross compatible between motocross and trail applications but it still doesn't solve the theory of operation of different suspension setups and nothing ever replaces the tractor like power of a heavy weight flywheel. Take for example the YZ 125 or 250 compared to their x model siblings. Same chassis and basic engine but completely different animals on suspension and power delivery. They are purpose built machines. I do agree though that the bottom end beginner bikes are a waste of money for anyone who plans to progress to aggressive riding. Those bikes are bottom end trail bikes for putting around on and perfectly adequate for that purpose but if you want to push the envelope, you're eventually going to need a suitable machine but you need one designed for the task. A motocross bike will wear you out in the woods and hurt you just as fast as a subpar trail bike will.
I agree with everything you’re saying and that was kind of my whole point in making this video. Also, I never said a motocross bike was an ideal woods weapon so idk where you got that from? But yeah my whole point was that they make different bikes for different things so saying that any individual bike is “bad” or “unsafe” just because it can’t do something it wasn’t designed for is illogical and flawed. Thanks for your input though. Spot on all around!
@@notsoupmoto I'm sorry, I thought you said that a motocross bike was better for trail riding? but it really isn't, it doesn't even soak up the fast chop of roots and rocks even as good as the Honda that you are riding does. It will definitely jump better but jumping isn't everything on the trail.
No I was just making a comparison to show the vast differences in suspension setups and hardware just like you were also highlighting in your comment. I wasn’t talking about motocross suspension as to how it relates to trail riding I was comparing Mx suspension to the crf250f suspension to illustrate the point that bikes are designed for different purposes.
Tight single track suspension needs to be different to fast speed open trail suspension.. Trail bikes are perfect for trails.. even older trail bikes, they piss in the tight stuff!
I used to have a 2003 crf150f and i riden the life out of it and now i have a 2005 ktm 200 exc and now i realize it was way funner to ride a slow bike fast and now i am debating getting a 250f
Yeah I don’t have a ton of experience in woods single track from places not local to me so I was thinking supercross whoops but that’s a fair point. You’re right tho, the suspension will bottom out on aggressive trails. That’s not what the bike is designed for though
@@notsoupmoto absolutely, also hope you get the chance to check out bunch of other bikes, feel like there are too many review videos of bikes of just a person sitting there talking next to the bike rather than talking about it while the bikes in action, keep up the good work
well said dude! put it this way, my fiance bought her own 250f and loves it and basically trail rides it pretty chill. I have another friend who's a much more experienced rider and him and I actually just raced the bike in a local hare scramble here. We are not very high level riders but still competed against race bikes and it was a fun time! video on my channel if you'd like to watch 🤙🏼
here in asia these bikes u mentioned klx and crfs trail or ds models r more favored over mx bikes becuase expensive expensive espensive ...its just buying this bikes and modifying them and riding them hard is much better .. i have seen a japanese guy doing hard enduro on a klx 230 r with minimum mods and doing way better than some of the ktm xc guys
@@notsoupmoto here in India only Kawasaki sells their mx and trail line up.. I got a klx 140g .. Klx 450r and kx 250 .. Other companies don't sell their dirt bikes only can b imported.. Ktm ones r double the price here in India.. The bike is expensive above that 100% import charges.. And many more.. Not worth it..
i own a 2024 crf250f and the commenter is right and wrong. the suspension is really soft. I'm a big guy 6" 220lbs and i can bottom out the front forks by pushing hard enough. but at the same time the bikes suspension handles very good for how soft it is and can easily handle short to medium sized jumps and is amazing on the rocks too. hes got the right idea. he was just a little misguided
If the conditions you are riding in the video look pretty tame. If someone desires riding some more spirited single track, you don’t think there’s merit to the suspension comment?
If someone wants to ride on terrain that this bike wasn’t designed for, i.e. more technical/difficult single track, then they have the option to either upgrade the suspension or purchase a different bike better designed for that terrain.
@@notsoupmoto Fair enough. I think most riders enjoy riding what’s in the video and more. Truth is at some point, pushing the bike will result in serious bucking. I think that’s what the commentator was referencing. These bikes are super reliable and can become quite capable with upgrades to suspension below a thousand bucks. So it’s hard to beat on price when compared to buying another bike at double the price.
To be fair if you’re a fatty like me crf250f stock suspension is a bit of a pogo stick now that I’m rocking Tuscany rear shock it can handle big hits without trying to toss me
that's definitely true but goes for any bike really. it's hard to make a suspension setting that works for all riders. Glad to hear the tuscany shock is kicking ass! happy riding!
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"Take the bike over some whoops fast and see what happens to you." Is the same logic and brain0power energy as "Try to pedal a bicycle into a fresh snowfall unplowed 4ft tall berm of snow and see what happens to you." Like.. Yeah..? Using the wrong tool for the job will always have an outcome that is undesirable or will require much more effort than if you used the correct tool. No one is saying the CRF250F or the KLX/TTR are top tier motorcross bikes capable of handling such things, at least stock. But you know what, if you spend about a grand in the suspension, and then get a big bore kit for the 250f you will have a heavier, but much less maintenance prone motorcross bike while still being cheaper than the entry level 9k bikes. Yes it wouldn't be ABSOLUTELY ON PAR with a purpose built machine, but no individual rider can really push their bike to even 80% of its capabilities anyway, people buying 450s in that regard make me laugh. Buying a bigger bike just makes you a lazy rider IMHO.
Precisely this. Well said! People buying 450s for that reason makes me laugh too 😂 Like okay man… hope you enjoy it.
@@akustaka I’m almost certain the commenter bought a crf250f, took it over some whoops he was not ready to hit, failed, and then decided to blame the suspension and take it out in this guy’s comments.
@@harrisonclark3799 I'm not too sure, because he ripped the KLX and TTR bikes as well. So I think he is more part of the elitist group of KTM/Husky (GasGas not so much) guys who think their better than everyone else because their bike costs 4k more out the door.
@@notsoupmoto I've ridden a 450, even had a rekluse on it, and in the trails it was such a PIG to throw around. The reciprocating mass of the large piston going up and down makes the bike VERY hard to lean and whip around or do what you want with it. 450s only make sense for hare scrambles or desert runs, even most professionals don't run 450s, that should tell you a lot.
Great trail bike , easy to maintain, fun to ride!
Thank you for stating the obvious about this bike. Human beings just love to complain about everything.
that is the truth haha. thanks for the comment!
@@notsoupmoto absolutely. I'm torn between the crf250f, Yz125x & Crf150r. Never ridden a dirt bike. Naturally the Crf250f would be the way to go but I need something with a lil more aggression. Which one would you go with?..
@@thegreat1548 you should also be sure to consider your height and weight. check out my crf250f sizing video for sizing specific to that bike. ua-cam.com/video/YVN34KEnspQ/v-deo.htmlsi=-3VX7Ay4dn9tdpEG
but if you're looking for something with a little more aggression and are taller than... idk let's say 5'6" ish, then you'd probably be just fine on the yz125x. I think the 125 two strokes are fantastic beginner bikes if you're big enough to be comfortable on them and they will certainly give you more get up and go than the crf250f will. If you're on the smaller side, the 150r would be a good choice if you want something with more pep. although i've never ridden one personally
You said it, the most dangerous part of any bike is the person sitting on it. That bike is a great bike. If you want to ride moto or harder stuff get a different bike. Great video and explanation.
appreciate the comment!
Congrats on 1k subs🎉🎉🎉 i was your 949th subscriber keep up the good content!
heyyy thanks so much! i appreciate the support!
I enjoyed the rant and the riding great footage. You approached the user feedback logically and comprehensibly. No ego. No emotional reaction. Genuinely curious if the comment made by the viewer may be legitimate. Started a dialogue with the viewer. Fell back on your experience with this Honda model and other dirt bikes. Made a determination and expressed your view. I can't really express how nice it is to listen to somebody (you) whose thought processes are clear, precise, logical, and clearly articulated. It should't be so rare it our society, but for whatever reason, it is, and getting scarcer by the year. So refreshing! Keep making content and I'm sure you'll find an large audience!
Glad to hear you enjoyed! Happy to hear the video came off that way. Thanks for the support!
Congrats on 1k man 🔥🔥
appreciate it!!
My friend has a 125f and it is great for riding around on and having fun i would never take it on a moto cross track and congrats on 1k i was your 546th sub your content is great and i hope to see more of your content in the future you will be at 5 k in no time .
Appreciate the support! Thanks
you should do a little build on it, i do recommend putting the BBR front and rear suspense on it, it will make the bike handle better. and its not too expansive
I would definitely consider it in the future!
Hahah gotta love those comments and the pros on a 250F brother. They know it all and what it’s made for. 🙃 Keep doing what you’re doing! 🤙🏻
😂 lmao thanks!
TLDR the front end can be dangerous due to the porting(valving? of the forks) at the higher end of second gear (29.6mph) especially if you're near the weight limit of the bike (220lbs, geared I was under by 5lbs last year).
My experience on dirt bikes is primary trail bikes which includes the 2020 CRF250F, 1988 XR200R (most relatable to the CRF250F) and the 2001 XR400R all of which are in the same class of the CRF250F though at different sized engines.
XR200R 23hp (6 gears), 240lbs, 36mm cartridge forks (10" travel)
CRF250F 21hp (5 gears), 260lbs, 41mm cartridge forks (9.5" travel)
When I strictly compare the two bikes previously mentioned (XR200R vs CRF250F) together I cant disagree with the previous poster. Compared to a 36 year old bike the CRF250F is dangerous. The CRF250F's front end is a glaringly big weak link of the bike that cripples it from even reaching half of its full potential, it's designed way way too soft which results in a absurdly low safety ceiling (2nd gear) that even beginners can begin to hit and experience within a handful of rides though they wont know it. Meanwhile a 36 year old XR200R which is also a beginner bike they could learn safely from 1st gear to 6th gear without the front end throwing them in the same setting. While the front end may not stand out to you as a major issue due to the nature of trail riding, In a harescramble race setting where you hit the same spots repeatedly and end up with similar outcomes despite tackling it slightly different it becomes obvious where the problem is. Unfortunately you simply strawmanned away his argument of "taking it into terrain it wasn't meant to be taken to" which is a cop-out. Hes giving you the shortest text answer to see where the problem lies without writing a wall of text like I have. Unfortunately whoops come in a vast variety of shapes, sizes, spacing, etc so defining what a medium to large whoop is to one person and another can take on a very broad range from one person to the next... I can tell you personally that I've been thrown off the stock front suspension on 2-3 INCH max "whoops" (gentle rolling depression) on the CRF250F in 3rd gear (29.6-39.9mph) when the front forks decided to suddenly compress fully and tucked underneath me, thankfully it was between gaps of trees so my injuries were limited to bruising and hurt pride.
I raced the bike all last year in Harescramble races, which are nothing more than competitive single-trail riding which you say it cant do??? Sure its not going to win B and A class races but amongst beginners the bike is very capable if you fix its one problem. After extensive trial an error and ruling out tire selection with similar results I can say the front end porting(valving? whatever) can be and is in certain situations dangerous due to how soft it is (even compared to the XR200R). It's unfortunately ported way to soft towards comfort and not safety oriented to the bike's capabilities (otherwise it only needs 2 gears), it can and will result in the front end Pogo-sticking uncontrollably when you load the front forks up. After I upgraded the forks with Tuscany Racings "good pressure" fork upgrade for 350USD (there's other options like bruce's suspension, or Race Tech Gold Valves) those sudden unexpected throws stopped and I was able to finally safely utilize 3rd and 4th gear safely, of course due to the limitations of the shock technology employed on the bike I felt like a rented mule after those races but at least the bike stayed underneath me. After a few races running the good pressure kit I decided around November to bite the bullet and swapped the front end out with an 07 CRF250R's front end and now the bike is truly at its best a true top tier woods bike contender waiting on a better fit rider (Im working on that part).
I harescramble raced the CRF250F all last year on my channel and a good portion of this year
I ran the stock front suspension from Feb 2023 to June 2023
I ran the stock front suspension with good pressure kit ($350.00) installed from June 2023 to December 2023 and the goofy wrecks stopped happening and I was able to ride faster and more importantly safer for 350 dollars to put it on par with a 36 year old XR200R not a modern day race bike but the classic 36 year older farm bike you claim it to be.
I don’t disagree with you that upgrading the suspension and specially tailoring it to a specific task (harescramble racing in your case) on the crf250f will make it far more capable. I also agree that when you take it over more aggressive terrains at higher speeds, the front suspension does begin to show issues.
However, I guess the point I was attempting to illustrate in this video was that the bike was simply not designed to be a harescramble race bike. (Although you’re totally right that with only a few modifications it can easily become quite a capable harescramble racing machine.)
And because the bike was designed with the utmost beginner rider in mind, a rider who will be taking it over the most gentle terrain (fields, farm roads, a very beginner tame atv trail perhaps) the it’s a bit unfair to label the bike as “dangerous”.
Yes, the suspension can be dangerous when doing the things you mentioned in your comment. Which once again, I must say was very well written and explained based on your experience and personal use case of the crf250f.
I just think that the intended design of the bike and average rider’s use of the bike is important so I don’t think it’s right to label it “dangerous” and end up scaring people away from it when it may be the perfect choice to help them learn the fundamentals.
Clearly you are beyond that point in your riding experience and therefore can make necessary modifications to tailor the bike to your intended use case or get a different bike altogether that better fits what you want to do with it.
I do appreciate your feedback though! Thanks for sharing the more technical specs of the suspension. Porting and all that stuff, which I don’t have the knowledge about.
Cheers!
Just bought a 24 crf250f it’s perfect for riding around farm land and teaching wife and teens to learn the basics tons of fun still can ride wheelies and have a blast on been riding for 12 years and still have fun every time I ride it
Couldn’t agree more! Thanks for the input
Hey, this is the first video ive seen of yours. Completly agree with what youve mentioned. I gave you a follow. A word of critisism, even if its a rant video you should still give us some actual dirtbike sounds. Watching you guys ride and not getting to hear any of it was a total letdown.
Thanks for the comment! I appreciate the feedback as well. I’ll experiment with adding some more ambient noise back into the audio in future videos. Great suggestion!
@@notsoupmoto Yea, just a couple minutes of the actual sounds of the trail ride would have been perfect. I Look forward to watching more videos.
This bike crushed some decent hill climbs. And it handles some whoops out in the desert pretty well in high 3rd gear. The only thing holding this bike back is my own skill issues. I’ve even jumped this bike on my local track and it was fine. Not huge air mind you but I weigh 200lbs and I still haven’t bottomed out
Yeah it’s wild how capable of a bike it is
My friend got a 2014 CRF250L recently, and its his first dirt bike. He loves it, and it's been great so far. It's definitely a little under-sprung for advanced riders, but it feels like a Cadillac going down the trail. You could ride it all day over fairly rough terrain with very minimal fatigue. What will get you hurt is riding at high speeds over obstacles that you, or the bike, can't handle. Same goes for any bike that has a lower spring rate than your weight requires, or damping settings that are way off. Always ride within your capabilities on whatever bike you happen to be on!
couldn’t agree more! thanks for the comment
another fair point is rider weight. if you're riding a stock bike and you weigh 280lbs, your gonna have a much more difficult time with suspension if its not valved for your weight especially if it already has soft suspension to begin with. don't feel like people really think about that sometimes either
Yes that’s the thing. No bike, whether beginner trail bike or full caliber race bike is going to have the perfect suspension settings for every rider from the factory
There are lots of trails they develop deep whoops from lots of use. Mostly sandy or loose soil trails do that.
That said I do agree with you on not over riding the bike. The bike is nit designed to go very fast. It's designed to simply get you there in a nice reliable way.
Thanks for pointing that out. I wasn’t taking into account trails with looser soil. In my mind I was more thinking dense forest. Thanks for the input
actually, your forks wouldn't bottom out. Damping rod forks dont like quick hits and dont like to compress quickly because the orifice damping doesnt allow the fork oil to flow fast enough to compress that quickly. I think if you do find a set of whoops in the desert or something and try to blitz them on your TTR, KLX etc. , your wrists will probably take most of the impact since the forks will practically become jackhammers unless you modify your forks with some cartridge emulators and stiffer springs.
I got an 06 crf450r not long ago can’t wait to hit the trails hopefully it handles good it’s my first 450
Niceee have fun
The CRF 250 is a great bike for what it is MADE for. I love it. It's not made for a track. So glad I bought it!!!😊
facts! glad you're enjoying it! happy riding
It’s a great trail bike. What it’s lacking in suspension makes up for in being tall and the power is decent.. plenty really for most trails and single tracks.
I have a 250F. As a 6'5" 200lb guy the suspension was a bit soft. I had it upgraded by Bruce and it was night and day better. It's a great bike for what it is (beginner trail bike). Obviously it won't compete with a 300 XC-W, buy it's less than half the price. Good to try out riding before you want to drop big money. Also resale prices don't seem too bad for them
Thanks for the comment! I also highly recommend people to test ride if at all possible before buying. That's THE best way to know if a bike is right for you.
He probably just bought one and didn't like it, blamed his failures on the bike. You should've asked him what specifically was wrong with the suspension.
True I should have asked that
Great video! I really enjoyed it. Everything you said makes sense-the CRF250F is a fantastic little trail machine. Keep hitting those trails, and don't worry about the haters!
Appreciate it man! Thanks for the comment
Hey buddy. I have owned my 250 F for about four months and I have it set up just the way I like it. I put the headlight and tail light kit on it and have really cool bag for my stuff on the handle bar. BUT… I feel like I want more bike. What do you recommend??? I ride desert trails out here in Phx AZ.
Maybe look into the Yamaha WR250 or something comparable. Possibly even the WR450. Would probably be great on desert trails and give you that increased power you’re looking for
@@notsoupmoto Ok, yeah I was thinking the same thing or the CRF 450X. I appreciate it!
@@DUNEATV also would be a good choice! I've never ridden any of those unfortunately but would love to try them out someday
I own the crf 250f as my first bike and I mainly chose it because its a trail bike and doesn't need as much maintence as the race bike but now that I have ridden both trail bikes and race bikes I can say that I enjoy the trail bike more overall. I feel like on the race bike in my case it was a kx 250 I had to hold on a lot tighter and it wasnt as smooth and chilled out than the crf 250f. If you want a bike that can do literally anything but jumps and dont want to have to service it as much I would recomend buying a crf 250f, you can cruise on it without feeling like the bike is controlling you, not you controlling the bike.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
As someone who just got the crf250f last month, I can say confidently that this bike is great! I’m a beginner rider who started riding on a xr100r the beginning of this year. I’ve progressed quickly and recently upgraded to the crf250f. I’ve rode it many times, and haven’t had a single problem with it. Yet I have a question, I’m a female rider and I want to try single track for the first time, yet where I live ( middle Mississippi) there is almost no dirt bike trails that I know of, there’s tons of side by side trails, and I would be fine with that if they weren’t so muddy, any suggestions?
Thanks for reaching out and glad to hear you’re enjoying the bike so far!
I personally don’t have much knowledge of the trails available to ride in Mississippi so I won’t be much help on that front. However, what I can tell you is that the way I tend to find trails is to talk to other people who ride woods a lot and see where they ride. It may be private land, or even public land but places where the trails are hidden and only known to locals.
If you don’t know anyone who rides a lot of single track, try to look for any local race series such as gncc or hare scramble events and try to get to know some people there! The locals will surely know the best places to ride single track and you may even make some new friends while you’re at it:)
Cheers!
@@notsoupmoto thank you!
I 100% agree with what you are saying here, the crf 250f is an amazing bike if you are using it the way it was made to be used. But if you are someone who wants to take your bike to a track and hit big jumps this is not a good bike "for you". before I say this I would like to say I have nothing against Honda, and I even own a Cr 125 2 stroke. Though I will say my dad has a crf 125f, and the suspension on that bike was not nearly as good as the suspension on my ttr 125. but that is okey because that bike was not made to need good suspension it is made for trial riding not racing.
Yep just gotta understand what the bike was made for that’s all. Thanks for the comment!
I have a cfr125f and a 250f and I'm out on the trials at our ohv trails I'm running with the big boys and faster that's what I enjoy to do at my age not a motorcross track I've been driving since the 80 so yeah I've had some badass bikes at my age in the terrain I ride I can keep up with anybody
They’re certainly very capable bikes that’s for sure!
Couldn't agree with u more ❤..the real problem probably is that he's stuck with a bike that he doesn't want anymore n secretly wants a crf 250f...I have a 2021,awesome bike .got it for minor trails n couldn't ask for a better bike ,very under estimated
hahah that is certainly a possibility! thanks for the comment brother
Honda should have kept building the XR250 and added estart and maybe EFI. I have a 2003 XR250 and it runs circles around the CRF suspension wise and power wise.
That would be a neat bike
this simple but modern suspension is more than capable for any rider of any level on any terrain, what gets people hurt is poor decisions
True facts
Hey Soup Moto,
I’m 15 years old, 6 feet tall, and weigh 270 pounds. I’ve had some experience on a dirt bike before-I had one for about a year when I was 8. Now that I’m older,15 and living in Tennessee, where there are tons of great trails right by my house, I’m eager to get back into dirt biking. I currently ride trails on my four-wheeler and my dad’s Can-Am side-by-side, but I’m really looking to step up my game.
I’m trying to convince my parents to get me a dirt bike and was wondering if you’d recommend the CRF250F for my size and experience, or if there’s another model you think would be better. Your videos have really inspired me, so I’d love to hear your advice!
Thanks a lot for your help!
Thanks for reaching out! I'm glad to hear that the videos have been helpful and an inspiration. If you like the idea of the crf250f and just want something to putt around on, I think it would be just fine to get you back into riding dirt bikes. I'm 6ft and around 160lbs so the stock suspension works fine for me and I can get away with the size of the bike (a bit on the tiny side) however to be more comfortable, it would be a good idea to get a set of taller bars.
So, for you, if you wanted to go with the crf250f, I'd recommend getting a set of taller bars and getting heavier springs. You can find them on hyperlite moto. That would make it ride much nicer for you and be a lot more comfortable.
If you wanted to go for another bike, honestly you'd fit just fine on a full size bike so you have a range of options. I would stay away from 450s or 250 two strokes as they are a lot of power for someone just getting back into riding and it would make your experience less enjoyable. You could look into something like the crf250rx, yz250fx, or even the yz125x possibly. Even some of the dual sports would probably be awesome for you.
If you do some research on any other bikes, feel free to reach out to me in the comments and ask me about it and I'd be happy to share my thoughts!
Wish you the best on your dirt bike journey!
-Soup
@@notsoupmoto Thanks a ton for the advice! I’m planning to go with the CRF250F and as you suggested get some taller bars and some heavier springs, if i can convince my parents, wish me luck, again thank you so much, have a good one.
Of course! Glad I could help. Best of luck
Love these 220+ guys wining about the suspension . Lose some weight because the manual states that the bikes are not meant for them. I will get another Mx bike for that type of riding. But I bought this because it fit me better at 5-6 (165 lbs) and planned to ride SLOW with my daughter on the 125 fb
Yeah just have to know what type of riding you want to do and understand what type of riding the bike is meant for. Also as far as bigger riders go, you can always get heavier springs. It’s impossible to make factory suspension settings/hardware work for everybody
I’m sure you’re already aware. But maybe this will clear up any confusion regarding the topic of this video. Sounds like the guy is trying to say the crf250, ttr’s, and klx bikes will limit your progression as a rider. If you plan on progressing beyond a beginner level of riding. Purchasing a new one of these bikes doesn’t make sense financially. Because you will be ready for more performance within a short amount of time. And it will be difficult to get your money back out of the bike when you decide to upgrade
yep just all depends on what type of riding you see yourself doing in the future
These bikes will be more capable than most people will ever be.
You nail it that me hitting a huge jump full speed down a hill on my mine bike and crashing it and getting hurt and saying it the bike fult no it would be all my fult because I know the bike wasn't built to do that
indeed the truth. people tend to blame the bike a lot haha
its a trail bike not a race bike like the R, its for just going normal riding. and to the comment its the riders fault not the bike for picking a bike not made for jumping or a track thats on you.
Exactly
nice content, i just bought the same model, but the problem the front brake when i squeeze the lever it is very stiff, i have sent to Honda to fixed the problem but it is not that good, i was wondering if you have the same problem, if yes what did you do to it, thanks
Thanks! Is it the lever pull that feels stiff before the brake engages or after? Or something else?
You can adjust when the brake grabs by adjusting the lever. Should show you how in the manual but idk if that’s the problem you’re describing or not?
@@notsoupmoto My lever is not adjustable, i mean if i pull the lever it goes only 1/2in and i have to put 3 or 4 fingers to make the bike completely stop. I have seen other bike the brake lever is soft just like a clutch lever.
@@muddyboots-mac oh interesting. I have not had that problem with mine but to me it sounds like it could be an issue with something other than the lever. Fluid level, pads, brake line... I'm not a skilled mechanic myself so I'm not sure what to tell you
@@notsoupmoto Thank you for your time to reply, cheers
Actually no offense but you are both partially wrong.
A motocross bike isn't the ideal woods weapon. It's a suspension is specifically set up for hitting big jumps and carving hairpin turns at Max speed. And a klx 300r is literally the chassis of one of historically the most competitive hare scrambles bikes ever, the kdx 200.
They have since come out with better bikes for gncc racing and hard Enduro specific purposes but none of it means anything if it isn't sprung, valved and set up to your individual weight and intended purpose.
A motocross bike is intentionally power curved for the purpose of being on "the pipe" it generally lacks the bottom end power that is desirable for woods riding.
Although modern mapping configurations are making some of these bikes more cross compatible between motocross and trail applications but it still doesn't solve the theory of operation of different suspension setups and nothing ever replaces the tractor like power of a heavy weight flywheel.
Take for example the YZ 125 or 250 compared to their x model siblings.
Same chassis and basic engine but completely different animals on suspension and power delivery.
They are purpose built machines.
I do agree though that the bottom end beginner bikes are a waste of money for anyone who plans to progress to aggressive riding.
Those bikes are bottom end trail bikes for putting around on and perfectly adequate for that purpose but if you want to push the envelope, you're eventually going to need a suitable machine but you need one designed for the task.
A motocross bike will wear you out in the woods and hurt you just as fast as a subpar trail bike will.
I agree with everything you’re saying and that was kind of my whole point in making this video.
Also, I never said a motocross bike was an ideal woods weapon so idk where you got that from?
But yeah my whole point was that they make different bikes for different things so saying that any individual bike is “bad” or “unsafe” just because it can’t do something it wasn’t designed for is illogical and flawed.
Thanks for your input though. Spot on all around!
@@notsoupmoto I'm sorry, I thought you said that a motocross bike was better for trail riding?
but it really isn't, it doesn't even soak up the fast chop of roots and rocks even as good as the Honda that you are riding does.
It will definitely jump better but jumping isn't everything on the trail.
No I was just making a comparison to show the vast differences in suspension setups and hardware just like you were also highlighting in your comment. I wasn’t talking about motocross suspension as to how it relates to trail riding I was comparing Mx suspension to the crf250f suspension to illustrate the point that bikes are designed for different purposes.
Tight single track suspension needs to be different to fast speed open trail suspension.. Trail bikes are perfect for trails.. even older trail bikes, they piss in the tight stuff!
Yup yup
I used to have a 2003 crf150f and i riden the life out of it and now i have a 2005 ktm 200 exc and now i realize it was way funner to ride a slow bike fast and now i am debating getting a 250f
So true
Idk what it is about them but they’re just so damn fun
Yea i want something to teach my friends on my ktm 200 will definitely hurt a new rider lol
That’s exactly why I got my crf but I’ve been riding it way more myself than I expected 😂
theres lot of whoops on single track trails in oregon.I bottom out my older yamaha xt350 suspension often because of my more aggressive riding style
Yeah I don’t have a ton of experience in woods single track from places not local to me so I was thinking supercross whoops but that’s a fair point.
You’re right tho, the suspension will bottom out on aggressive trails. That’s not what the bike is designed for though
@@notsoupmoto absolutely, also hope you get the chance to check out bunch of other bikes, feel like there are too many review videos of bikes of just a person sitting there talking next to the bike rather than talking about it while the bikes in action, keep up the good work
thanks brother! I got some ideas kicking around so you should be seeing some more bikes on the channel shortly. I really enjoy making the reviews too!
@notsoupmoto review videos are what will get you the most views initially in my opinion
well said dude! put it this way, my fiance bought her own 250f and loves it and basically trail rides it pretty chill. I have another friend who's a much more experienced rider and him and I actually just raced the bike in a local hare scramble here. We are not very high level riders but still competed against race bikes and it was a fun time! video on my channel if you'd like to watch 🤙🏼
sounds like a super fun video! i'll check it out! thanks for the comment man
@@notsoupmoto my man. it's the Whiskey River one. hilarious time, very capable bike!
I'm not sure why any grown man would purchase and ride that bike on purpose
Then you have not ridden one my friend
here in asia these bikes u mentioned klx and crfs trail or ds models r more favored over mx bikes becuase expensive expensive espensive ...its just buying this bikes and modifying them and riding them hard is much better .. i have seen a japanese guy doing hard enduro on a klx 230 r with minimum mods and doing way better than some of the ktm xc guys
Yes the prices on the mx bikes are wayyy out of control. Same with the KTMs. Thanks for the input!
@@notsoupmoto here in India only Kawasaki sells their mx and trail line up.. I got a klx 140g .. Klx 450r and kx 250 .. Other companies don't sell their dirt bikes only can b imported.. Ktm ones r double the price here in India.. The bike is expensive above that 100% import charges.. And many more.. Not worth it..
@@bonjovi1354 that's really interesting. I didn't know that
i own a 2024 crf250f and the commenter is right and wrong. the suspension is really soft. I'm a big guy 6" 220lbs and i can bottom out the front forks by pushing hard enough. but at the same time the bikes suspension handles very good for how soft it is and can easily handle short to medium sized jumps and is amazing on the rocks too. hes got the right idea. he was just a little misguided
I would agreee
It’s a 250 ! The only thing dangerous about is a lack of basic skills by the operator. 🏁
Haha so true
i love your videos ❤
Thanks! Glad you enjoy
If the conditions you are riding in the video look pretty tame. If someone desires riding some more spirited single track, you don’t think there’s merit to the suspension comment?
If someone wants to ride on terrain that this bike wasn’t designed for, i.e. more technical/difficult single track, then they have the option to either upgrade the suspension or purchase a different bike better designed for that terrain.
@@notsoupmoto Fair enough. I think most riders enjoy riding what’s in the video and more. Truth is at some point, pushing the bike will result in serious bucking. I think that’s what the commentator was referencing. These bikes are super reliable and can become quite capable with upgrades to suspension below a thousand bucks. So it’s hard to beat on price when compared to buying another bike at double the price.
This persons argument sounds kind of like people saying guns kill people 😆.
Yeah they just kinda missed the point
To be fair if you’re a fatty like me crf250f stock suspension is a bit of a pogo stick now that I’m rocking Tuscany rear shock it can handle big hits without trying to toss me
that's definitely true but goes for any bike really. it's hard to make a suspension setting that works for all riders. Glad to hear the tuscany shock is kicking ass! happy riding!
all about the rider at the end of the day
Facts
Girls bike
That’s why I got it for my girlfriend 👍🏼