PvP is DEAD and Jagex is to BLAME
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- Опубліковано 25 лют 2022
- Today we discuss how frustrated the old school runescape PVP community is towards Jagex. Let's discuss and express our frustration. We as the osrs pking community need to express ourselves and start somewhere.
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I really liked Abyss’ idea to expand the wilderness with tons of new tasks. Make exclusive slayer content there too. They add abyssal demons to the wildy slayer cave, but they’re still in plenty of safe areas in Gelinor! Why would they think that would really bring much more people out there?
Just saw you discuss Abyss’ section. Oops
Not gonna lie though people moaning that PVP is dead, I log onto PVP and get slapped and prayed on by sweaters the second I log on, what do you expect though seriously? People can't fight back agaisnt pros or people that use scripts too pk? There will never be no more noobs coming PVP unless it changes
yea I took a trip to revenant caves and never in my life will return again. Got worked by a transformer machine. I am average if not okay at singles but after that IDK jagex needa detect ahk bro
@@cattails713 same with G.E pking mate people still ranging in full mele armours etc, if they want too bring noobs back too pvp (which it's desperate for) because only people who pk are Pros, no 1 can even learn because they just get smoked with combos doing Max hp hits? So it's like legit now, what can they actually do? For a starter bringing edge back (even if you can boost) at the end off the day it bought normal players back in PVP......
@@benporter7421 I totally agree, I learnt to ahk and only use them when I am paired up against someone else using them. It’s sad and I don’t even Enjoy using them. I actually sell them to others for cheaper to balance out the field, can’t beat them, join them I say.
@@cattails713LMFAOOO the script switches is crazy. And I’m above decent. I’m out bro
We need multi revs back , was the most fun I've ever had on this game. But I gotta disagree with some things you said still: Making new content is just a bandaid solution it's better to rebalance the current content. Also you're complaining the wildy is dead but your videos shows you and your team 7v1ing people. You kinda need a team nowadays or you will just die over and over and burn supplies and that's why alot of people aren't interested anymore in PvP on top of that people are AHKing / using cheat clients . nonetheless good video
best comment on here, hes out there with friends in singles tag teaming folks. Nothing wrong with that btw its the wildy its the wild west its hes choice, the same way people have the choice not to enter the wildy. The reason the wildy is dying is because of game mechanics and a more responsive severs, the game may say oldschool runescape but its not like back in 2007. No way in hell were people able to switch from full mage gear to range gear and switch prayers all in 1.2 seconds. This has made the skill gap between pkers even larger and folks rather just do pvm bosses or slayer or other content then go in the wildy to die and lose money.
before back in 2007 you could go in okay gear and have chance meaning dragon shimtar and mystic and ice barrage, and have rune armour and blakc hides to melee and maybe a magic shortbow and rune arrows, you might of had a 35 percent chance to kill someone, instead of now maybe having a 5 percent chance. Now gl if your not bringing at least 12+ mil in gear to the wildy your not gona ko or kill anybody. As for multi small clans and teams are always out my own clan always has pking events fighting small teams or clans in 15 vs 15 to 25 vs 25 on p2p wildy at calisto, greater demons, rouges castle by the chaos elemental or by the slayer duengeon in the wildy.what he means by there is no one to fight in multi is that hes small friend group of 3-5 people are not strong enough to kill the teams or clans in multi, because if they see those clans or teams they run away and your not gonna find alot of 3-5 small teams in multi.
Another thing to add the vote system on polls should just be used for feedback , and not be used by saying oh it got 75 percent votes lets put it in. You see not everyone votes on the best interest of the overall game, they vote based on their interest. You will have pvmers voting no on polls that would increase pvp activity because said pvmers want to more safetly kill bosses in the wildy.
You will have pkers voting no on updates that could help pvmers, because they believe it could cause a shift in balance in pvp gear, were cheaper items could make the avg pker more dangerous.
Instead of folks just seeing themselves as runescape players their choosing sides. There is a reason teachers don't let students pick their group project partners, they know the students will pick in their best interest and groups will be less balanced. Those g maul and black d hide nerfs was pushed by osrs pvp streamers who were upset the avg pkers could fight back more and or escape.
It's gotten more difficult to balance PvP with all the gear they keep releasing, and because they're so susceptible to DDoS, they couldn't even host DMM tournaments. If anything, blame the side of the community that chooses to rely on such tactics to screw people over when it comes to PvP that just ruin the experience for them.
I'm not trying to defend them, but there are a couple things you have to consider from their perspective.
I do miss watching PvP, but I miss watching Castle Wars tournaments in particular.
It’s a PVM now. We need PVP
100%. To afford the new crazy expensive gear and prayers you gotta boss, in order to boss you have to team, and that takes way too much time. You take a break for 6-7 months and you’re totally screwed. There was enough gear in the original game to have your own style and not fall behind, you’d be able to learn the switches without risking like 50m in items just to stand a chance against a bunch of sweaters.
well for me as a non pvp player whenever i try to learn i get some pro who’s able to do gear switches and prayer switches in 1 tick and i get destroyed. people who try to learn are at such a massive disadvantage and i feel like it steers a lot of us away.
Try making a 1 defence pure, using shortbow into rune warhammer/2h in F2P, or shortbow into GMaul in P2P. This is where I started, it was pretty easy to learn. If you stand with 2 tiles between you and your opponent, the ranged hitsplat and melee hitsplat will appear in the same tick.
@@wayward134 i should look into this thanks man
An RSPS I used to play had revenants roam the wilderness. It made it so players aren't forced into an area that is a known PKing hotspot and instead can find revs out in the wildy at random locations. The deeper the wildy, the better drops the revs should have. If you want normal players to return to the wildy, rework the wildy bosses, spread out revs, and entice normal players by offering huge drops (not alchables) from bosses and monsters. The community is an entirely different discussion, but there just needs to be incentive for people to want to go out and risk their items. If you have a chance at an item like a Craw's bow that's not absurdly rare, then people would be more willing to accept the risk.
After i spent 6 months building a 45def zerker - within a week they removed bounty hunter. Still waiting.
I wish they would bring it back, even just with untradeable rewards
I agree with how the games direction is heading. Im an avid player and everytime I log on the game I always see myself fustrated with how many worlds there is to hop around to look for other players. Updates have come in but not the ones that are impactful to the wilderness activity. It is a start but hopefully we start seeing a bright future for the games longevity.
Given the last few years of paying to play for advantage etc, RuneScape is one of the few that you have to grind out to actually get somewhere and have a competitive advantage. With majority off gaming community on consoles and or battle royale, osrs is truly a fun dieing saga.
I used to PK back in pre-eoc and it was the most fun I’ve had in the game. I used to spend my time making random pure accounts, like rushers, range 2h, obby mauler, Kyatt pures etc etc. I was not very good but fighting other random people doing the same thing was just so much fun. This is what osrs pvp is missing because now days it’s all about tri-bridging and 1 tick hp stacking which just isn’t fun because unless you are really good, you can’t compete. So all of the casual pvp players such as me, just stopped playing. I literally only played pvm content so that I could be better at pvp, but now I don’t bother because pvp is dead.
Okay so here's an idea it's a risk vs reward thing right, that's what the wildy is supposed to be. So if you want more life in the wilderness remove PvP worlds and just have Wilderness PvP worlds, only a few though so it is always populated by actual PKers. Then for non wildy PvP worlds you can have a toggle to flag for PvP or not, doing so reduces your drop rates of rare things but keeps you safe from players and allows teleporting at all levels. Both sides are pleased and you will see life in the wildy again, that's what people want right?
will never happen because folks like the pvp worlds because they can attack folks 12 combat levels lower, or rush people.
We focus so much on adding new content to the wildy for bait for PVMers because that is easier than creating some sort of content for new players to actually enjoy pking. Maybe the pvp arena elo system will change that, who knows. But rn the love for pking only primarily belongs to the old players.
The only way to bring pvp back is to somehow cater to the new and unskilled players that don’t even have an incentive or passion for pvp to pk by leveling the playing field in terms of skill-cap. New players just aren’t that interested because they aren’t jumping into a playing field like it was back in 2009-2011, now the skillcap for the few that run the wildy is so high so they aren’t even interested in LMS. It isn’t fun for them. PVM has so much more incentive because it doesn’t collide with the main game and it’s pretty simple tbh. RuneScape just isn’t a game for competitive people. Very few actually give a fuck to dedicate the hours to learning so now no one gets to have fun. Not the new pkers not the old people with 1000s of hours of experience.
best comment on on here ive been playing rs since classics beta, the reason pvp was so popular from 2000-2007 was because of the lower skill gap. Meaning not only was the skill gap lower folks basically wore similar gear, and risked on avg the same stuff regardless of build type be it pures or mains. Now unless you bring 12 mill+ in gear you got no chance to kill someone. All this siwtching gear and prayers in 1.1 seconds and walking under players to attack them and spec them is to much for the avg or new pkers so they leave. Now with the meta of folks using over-head players and fast prayer switching makes it even harder for the avg or newer pkers to get koes or kills.
As you can see in 2000-2007 the wilderness was booming, because you could go in as a new or avg pker and have a 25-30 percent chance of killing someone or at least having a close decent fight. Now in oldschool gl with that its more like a 5-10 percent chance if your avg or new pker. The reason runescape classics pvp was so fun and beloved was because of the lower skill gap and it being much more simple. The game is much more responsive now then back in 2007, plus with added hotkeys, thats why your seeing all these crazy fast prayer switching and gear switching.
@@grandcanyon2 damn guess I won't return to this game. Glad I left when it went downhill. Least I still have my fun memories of castle wars, stealing creation, clan wars, dueling arena, and wildly duels, etc.
I think the PvP rotation is important too, including for LMS and NHing. I want it to be USA east, Germany, USA west, UK, Australia, one week each.
They need to create a town with different shops in the wildy, and have no safezone within, so high risk to go to shops and even add monster spawns within
I think PvP is dead because of PvP'ers. Going to the wild has become not fun at all and a true hassle. You will be called all kinds of names by toxic Pk'ers. Even when out there with 0 risk just doing a clue scroll. Having a lot of content basically forcing you into the wild hasn't made it any better. Top that with PvP'ers using bots/ AHK. Abusing single zone mechanics with 50 man clans. A steep learning curve. It just made it so a lot of people don't go into the wilderness anymore.
I agree
You've said it all man. Hopefully there's a chance
Get rid of hot keys in Wildy. Back to what it was in 07 and it will bring back people. Using hot keys allows the 1 tic switches which is way too high a learning curve for new pkers
@@jakerich542 1 tic is basic as it gets. That's the first thing any one vested will learn and if they don't know it than they've probably done it on accident plenty of times
@Kruger i agree been playing since rs classics, at the start rs pvp has always had small teams and clans, and believe it or not the newer versions of wilderness is childs-play. Back in rs classics all of the wildy was multi, thats why power-creep wasn't a major issue as no one brought in expensive armous and switches and gears, the may have brought a a op weapon but that was it. In rs2- oldschool with single zones, now pking is alot safer as single zones account for 60 percent of the wilderness map. You have real world traders coming in 20-300 mill in gear and pking people over and over.
And yes ahkers are a big problem, and unless your torvesta or odablock skill lvl you have no chance. The pvp mechanics of oldschool are not the same as back in 2007 the jagex server system is more responsive and people computers and internet is alot faster. There is a reason no one tri-brided back in 2007 . Oldschool has made it, the only real way to get a ko is with a op weapon and specs.
there was literally just a big pvp update days ago??
What I hate most about a lot of "PvP updates" is that they're not PvP updates.. they're "give PvM'ers an incentive to wildy" updates
Yeah I want PKer vs Pker content in the wildy. PvMers hate us for the wrong reasons.
This is where I see a divide amongst PVPers, it seems a lot of them want updates to encourage actual PVP and others want predator/prey style. Even the abyss video about expanding the wilderness...the majority of what he proposes is just more "lure pvmers into the wilderness" stuff. I don't think one way or the other is inherently wrong to want, as killing a pvmer has a much lower skill cap than killing another pvper, but I think there needs to be a healthy balance and right now there just doesn't seem to be much incentive for pkers to fight each other.
@@andrewv2782 fr especially when pvmers are less work and a lot of the time more loot
Lol!! Hey calm down now bud! Lmfao! Most RuneScape players are older now, and we’re just doing different things right now I’m life. Like deployments! 😂✌️😅
PVP is dead becasue the top 5% of pvpers, gutted the bottom 85% of pvpers to the max. You killed off your own player base.
sadly this is what happens with power creep , you have the top 5 percent of pvpers in 50mill- 1.2 bill with some rwting for rs gold/ gear. folks started to use over-head prayers which started a new meta- of folks using over-head prayers and expensive gear, so that way the avg pker had no chance to ko them. So the avg pker just started to run away. Then you had osrs pvp streamers calling to nerfs to black hides and g mauls , so less chance the avg pker could fite back and win or escape, guys said their leaving the wildy to go kill pvm bosses instead, now the wildy is empty.
No thats not the reason lool
@@NeanderthalDogma give some feed back then.
@@NeanderthalDogma I would try pvp but the problem is that it is so sweaty out there I'm not even going to try.
you still talk to chunk? i remember watching his pking videos, and finding you thru him
sadly I lost contact with him. I don't know where he is but maybe if I make a video it will probably summon him LOL
I mean it has taken the whole pvp community to come up with just 1-2 idea that "might" work. I imagine it would be very hard for 10 mods that never pk to come up with something. And when they did have a pker as a mod well... you know X D
Many ideas would work. None of them are being implemented.
Great idea with the wilderness map rework. In addition remove PvP worlds, remove instanced PvP, including proposed duel arena update, and bring 1v 1 veng style bh pking back to edgeville. Perhaps a world where Gmaul is not allowed in bh zone (1-10 wild) to give newer pkers a chance to learn. And I bet alot of older players will prefer this too, as it promotes variety.
In every wildy poll I have given a suggestion to start rewarding iron players for pking. If they get a pk the loot would be converted into blood money that could be used to buy bonds/put in deaths coffer. Then more people would be more willing to practice pking and get into wildy content.
The wilderness needs HUGE changes & I agree that they made it so everyone is basically at the rev caves. All the bosses need reworking with uniques and waayyy better drops and even the regular npcs should have boosted drops similar to rev caves, so that the wilderness is extremely profitable and that it is spread out throughout the wilderness so that it creates a natural eco system within it. You have to have insane rewards to make the PVMers go in and even if they did they’re like fuck if I’m going back in because it’s just that good money! You could always add some cool cosmetic gold sinks or something to combat the gp coming into the game through the boosted loot but it’s gotta be high gp/h, fun and spread out.
Just play a differant game
PKing in the wilderness & pvp worlds are just full of toxic people and I've stopped PKing because of this & also I suck at PKing 🤣
They all pros💯 the new kids has no chance
Is castle wars dead? Used to play that tons as well as stealing creation just for fun back in 2011 or so.
yeah that's right. since the venezuealans left the wildy died. but i've seen a lot of noob pvm'ers trying out pking/bot killing (including myself), which is nice.
brooo i used to watch your stuff 5 years ago all the trolling 🤣 just randomly in my recommended again
Hey man thanks for being part of my channel that long. Yea man I suddenly just came back and missed the game. Definetly gonna try out some new stuff and trolling too. You'll see more of me again hahaha
@@cattails713 lets goo
They put way too much consistent gp in one spot in the wilderness it gets boring to look at the same spot. They should have had them only drop the weapons bracelet ether and emblems only.
Hehe u have to know that as times go by we get older and no new players are coming to the game.
We all have to expect this game to die unless we all play till we reach our 60s.
Love your content man
I wouldn't be surprised if we play til 40 looool
well said.
We all in castlewars using swamp trident and veng.
Runescape pvp is so uniquely fun and you can't find it in any other game. Really tragic if it completely dies.
Love the vids
new cattails video lets goooooo
They are doing that pvp arena update
The way your gear is in the inventory makes me gag ):
Reasons I don't go into the wilderness - the biggest one is that y'all pvpers are so sweaty. Long gone are the days of simple dds spec and finishing your opponent with a whip. Nowadays it's 13 types of switching, tick eating, and some crazy nonsensical movement that the average player can't track. PvP used to be a chill experience and now it's just a sweatfest.
Also, nobody wants to do pvm in the wilderness. Stop putting PVM content out there, nobody wants that. People want to do PVP in the wilderness not PVP.
Until PVP starts catering to the casual crowd more, it will stay dead.
Pvming in the wilderness is fun imo it adds more to the risk if it has a good high risk reward. If pkers come by and try to pk me then I know I will get pked. If you dont want to pvm in the wild then do the safe content. I do agree the current pvp is too trihard and its why I do the unique stuff like pking on my dfs pure. I dont claim to be the best 1v1 main pker but id rather stick to simple. Main pking is not worth imo crystal bow and mage switchers just adds annoyance and I choose to ignore that pvp style. Im fine goofing around on low levels lmao
@@cattails713 I just think that pking needs to be more of an organic experience and less of a forced one, and I feel PVM and Skilling in the wilderness falls into the forced category.
I think certain things shouldn’t be allowed in the wilderness, or at the very least there need to be designated areas for specific kinds of pking.
I’m completely turned off from the idea because the barrier to entry is so much higher than when I started playing rs that it’s just not even worth it to learn, and I would be willing to bet there are a tremendous amount of potential players who feel the same.
PvP was way more popular when things were simpler. Nobody wants to risk top end PVM gear, and you don’t stand a chance if you aren’t geared or pured so it is shooting itself in the foot.
@@Infinicat I just dont understand the idea of forced content? The entire argument that everyone keeps throwing around doesn't make sense. I like pvming in the wild because it creates a suspense for me. Its like when I played deadman mode and everywhere I walked I was a target It feels rewarding when you get something in an area that's fought over. Its like when I played world of warcraft the first time I didn't know you could get attacked in the open while farming for supplies but in this game you pk someone you get everything they have on em except their 3 most valuable items. The difference in wow and in this game is people complain about losing their items. Nothing about it is forced. People who argue this are just avoiding getting pked because they hate that *being forced* to get certain items you have to visit the wild. Its part of the game accept that you have to visit the wild. And for gearing you dont have to wear the best gear to fight against a pker. Theres ways to counter them and its super easy now to get away with how Jagex made those ridiculous updates. Back in the day was simple because we were kids and now everyone's growned and are adults who know how to play the game at a TriHard level which has killed the nostalgic part of it but ofc you have clients too that help that. Blame entirely Jagex. The people who agree that the game is far advanced I wont deny what you said because it has. The game died when multi was removed.
@@cattails713 Well that’s what I mean by forced. I shouldn’t have to be forced to go into a pvp area to do PVM content. The two are separate things for a reason in my mind and I want that content but am not willing to risk my gear for that content.
So they have an option, that content can die alongside the already dying PVP or they can fix it like literally everyone has been asking for for years now.
I think they should ban non-Jagex clients altogether. Runelite will forever be a cheat client in my eyes and I refuse to use it or the steam client because I see marking tiles and other things like that as challenging the integrity of achieving something on your own.
And I will be the first to admit that yes I use the osrs Wiki for quest guides and help on finding things, and perhaps that should also be included in that list, but the difference is a wiki or UA-cam guide can show me how to do a thing but I still have to do that thing.
Having a literal training wheel showing you on screen where to stand for all phases of Zulrah is a bit extreme if you ask me. Takes all the skill and trying out of it and then I get called a noob or told to “git gud” when these players couldn’t do half the content in the game without their training wheel client on.
Anyway, I’m tired of being forced to do sweaty things or things that don’t interest me in order to acquire good gear in this game.
I’m slowly starting to lose interest in RS because of these problems, which is sad because I’ve played through all the highs and lows but now it’s just going in a direction I can’t go.
They should have kept wilderness as the only form of PVP. PvP worlds spread the community too thin. Also the restrictions on new accounts take away from low level F2P PKing, which is how most people start PKing and can go back to if they don’t have the time to invest dozens of hours building a pure. Killing F2P PKing had a very negative trickle up effect.
true
Yup that wilderness low lvl f2p restriction kills pvp, as newer players cant see action or pvp and low lvls. Pvp worlds was the biggest worst mistake to make . The pvp community is spread to thin.
Also not everyone wants to max pk, would be nice to have 1 def pures running around out there again
This is true. I dont like watching the current 1v1 main pking with that bow and switching to mage lol those who use that set up are the same that complain the games dead. No one wants to engage in that lol
What would make me return to OSRS?
1. Make it worthwhile being in the Wildy (GP/ hour + XP / Hour). All these new bosses are placed outside of wildy...
2. Limit access to the wilderness to 10-15 worlds.
3. Allow blighted items in PvP Worlds
4. Bring Bounty Hunter back
5. Add an Pking learning boss. (Choosing between NH, Edge style, etc)
6. BRING BACK DMM
I'm happy they added loot keys and the proposed changes to the duel arena. Hopefully the duel arena pvp tournaments aren't just empty promises like the focus on PvP they focused over a year ago.
the dumbest idea ive heard. if they did that no one would ever be able to do anything in the wildy.
Adding more bosses to the wild won't do it. Nobody wants to do the current ones, and when they do people bring the cheapest gear possible to avoid losing much when pked.
@@RSBuddie pkers are the reason why. why risk anything just to go into wildy do a boss. get teamed of 5 in singles having them switch on u to barrage, tb and spec each.
Pkers are honestly the problem with pking in the wildy.
As a Pker, I think some of these ideas are good and some are bad. I don't really agree with luring PvMers into the wildy, because that will just make them downvote PvP polls. I don't know about reducing the number of worlds, but maybe. I definitely think BH should come back, but only with untradeable rewards. I really like the idea of a PvM boss that teaches you how to PK, very creative. Ya, reset DMM with many item sinks.
I would love to have bosses that teach wildy skills. a tank test boss would be really cool, I would be so much more confident in the wilderness if I could practice without having to deal with skilled pkers wiping me before I even know what to do, especially in multi.
pvp numbers are way down. Even if jagex updates it and invests time will it bring players back who stay? probably not, Staking is gone and it will be a slow bleed until the end. This game thrived on RWT unfortunately
They dont update it because its dead... ppl complaining are the old pkers who pidswap/tick manipulate/stack up/mithril seed /los and take advantage of other bugs.. all it takes is a pidswap and switch and its over 100 stack, pking sucks get over urself
I've come to realize that game is completely gone. No future and I am surprised its stills standing lol
The only thing they can maybe save is teams/clans fighting in multi. Multi naturally removes power creep by alot as folks are not gonna bring expensive gear. Go look at runescape classics pvp, that was real dangerous pvp. In osrs if your skilled pvper in decent gear your gonna dominate the skill gap is just to much. Jagex has brought in a pvp arena update thats will change nothing, as folks are still not gonna go into the wildy in mass.
Praying for PvP!!!!
My homies into pvp and I honestly wish jagex would dedicate a whole year to pvp expanded wildy etc just to shut him up 😂
Edit: also I think this would make him realise that jagex fuck up tons of Pvm content too, don’t forget how kourend was when it realeased boys. Empty continent rofl.
Mans spittin fax
mic too loud bruv
nice vid
it was too much but yea ill lower it enxt time lmaoooooo n thnx
Horrid intro ngl
LMAO
Probably my fault for watching it at 3am 😅
There is no incentive for those who aren't sweaty try hards that have thousands of hours to go and pvp. Unless it's for a money maker or a quest, literally zero reason to go into the wildy.
its not about being sweating, the game has introduced so much more op and good items from raids and bossing. The top 10 percent of pkers can afford to brg 15-600 mil in gp in gear because they can easily kill 12-15 people before they die. by time they die and lose 15-600mill they already have made 60 mill - 1 bill+. You have people rwting for rs gold to get pvp gear. The majority of players have no incentive. Oldschool system is much more responsive compared to back in 2007, plus with the advancement in tech faster computers and internet. The skill gap is just to much for the avg pker to out into the wildy regardless of combat lvl. Back in 2007 players were fine with a 30-40 percent chance to win a fight, now its basically more like 5 percent.
Man, you gave the answear yourself. 500 active pvp players vs 100k active pve players. ofc there is more pve content
i am pvmer but i agree with you wild is ded.
They also have to do what the higher-ups want so I imagine a lot of pvp updates have been shot down by that alone.
Multi shouldn’t exist that’s why the wilderness was dead to start with … this game wasn’t built around pvp
I have hope still lol!
It's not what it used to was. Im pker aswell with so many diff accounts. But im just playing ironman.. Skilling and pvming, pking is just. Boring atm...
Why would I go into the wilderness when there is way more pvm content that can earn me a bond and going into the wildy means running into players like you? Not worth it
All the updates are voted on by the players of the game. If we wanted it it would pass. If it doesn't get the votes it doesn't pass. Simple really old-school is the way it is for a reason.
Nothing new hate to say. The wilderness ditch was the end of PvP.
The first clip is litteraly the reason the wildy is dead. You helpt killing it by doong the first scene… attack someone and then have someone else fall in and tb for you. Open your eyes.
Then I should let them escape and not let my friend help me tb n secure a pk? It's already bad enough when they chugging 14 brews. Cool.
@@cattails713 yes you should, if it were multi id be fine with a friend. But being teamed up is the number one reason people stop going to the wilderness.
@@breedam the widlerness is the wild west nothing wrong with what he did, but folks gota realize this effects pvp activity as the guy hes targeting knows hes tber friend can also attack this changes the dynamics as the target is under more pressure and will perform worse and is less likely to fight back since its two versus one. Don't believe for a sec if the target fought back and started winning, cattails713 buddy wouldnt come to the rescue to attack the target or help tails escape.
Nuke the safespots and make the Wilderness bosses more worthwhile than Rev caves
Honestly bro, I’ve stopped playing. PvP bots at LMS, dead wildy. Other than skilling, I really don’t do much.
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Yeah I don't understand how people can say PvP is not an important part of the game, when so many of the most popular UA-camrs and streamers are PKers. This is where Runescape gets publicity.
The game isn’t intended to be played doing just PVP or just PVM. You complain about the wilderness not being active enough and say people are all in one area, primarily. Then you say you want them to be roaming around. Don’t you realize it would be even more difficult to find players if that was the case? This entire video is complaining about updates outside of PVP, but you don’t bring up any suggestions or any that are realistic. If you lock down the wilderness to a few worlds, it just starts players paying for services. The big reason why the wilderness is not active is because the majority of the community doesn’t care for it. LMS has been a good update to bring in people to the PVP community because players are incentivized to do the content. However, players are so toxic that it doesn’t make players enjoy it. The wilderness already has some updates the do incentivize the wilderness. Some of the best experience methods and money making is found in the wilderness but many choose not to do that content because they don’t want the PvP interruption or have to deal with the toxic players that roam the wilderness. I hope that this helps you understand more than just your own perspective. If you have suggestions, I would try harder to voice them because I don’t think you did a good job in doing so.
One could argue that a lot of content had been added for PVP. Look at how the Pk metas have changed. All the new gear, new weapons and armors. Definitely can’t say nothing has changed for PvP. Black chins, revs, Wildy alter, bosses, etc
The reason he complains about all the pkers being in one area is simple the top 1 percent of pvpers are at the rev caves tails is above avg probably in the top 35 percent , but he doesnt want the smoke. Look at hes videos him with a small team of 6-7 people now imagine them running into teams in full gear worth 500-1 bill imagine him fighting a 6-7 man team of dino.
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Jagex will eventually run off the player base by not listening to their community, and they will be left with a game filled with venny bots. Sad part is, I see this happening in the near future
Games so ded, all pkers make maxed Ironman while scouting
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GET RID OF THE DAMN PVP BOTS AND SCRIPTS SOMEHOW JAGEX, ATUO SPEC, AUTO PRAYER AND AUTO EAT, ETC IS TERRIBLE FOR NORMAL PLAYERS TO COMPETE WITH
then go outside and do something else. ppl grew up. they are not gaming 10 hrs a day after school anymore. perfect point to quit
I'd still like to play the game when I am out of work and school on the weekends. Gaming releases stress and with how this game is still standing surprises me. Games dead thats it.
i dont get into pvp because of the people that pvp. nobody new will ever stand a chance against you guys. good on yall, though, for real. it took a long time to get that good and thats cool and it sucks that jagex hasnt done anything to further that progress. i just will never get into it because its expensive to be competitive and even then you have to be top tier in skill. you guys have all the skill and all the money to be competitive. its certainly pushed me away from pking in that aspect.
dawg i think pvp is comming back from being dead haha
I hope so because if this is true I will be most active
@@cattails713 i feel you brother, pking is the only thing that keeps bringing me back to RS. Still has long ways to go from its glory days. The pvp keys in the rev caves make it very active- but lots of ahkers so its kinda aids as well
People dont pvp anymore because of nhing sweats, its unbearable with all the new gear. Same concept with fornite a lot of people got very good and a lot people causal gamers dont like it anymore
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I agree with you, but you articulate really poorly. Getting angry won't fix anything, and the more profound your arguments are the more Jagex will listen
All you do is complain, main game vs pvp? pvp scene is the main game.
Honestly way too man worlds I promise take 20 or 12 worlds out I bet we are so many other players
We need less worlds, the game doesnt have as much players as it used to have.
This would be a cool idea but at the same time people gonna argue that clans will take advantage of this. Its an awkward spot but idk man games dead anyways why not try it for a week.
Unsubed cos of volume in 1st seconds of video. Gl
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Pvp is dead? Osrs is dead.
Rsps alllll the way