Racism and Cultural Appropriation in K-pop *again* | (G)-IDLE, MAMAMOO, ETC.
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the way some of y’all are immediately starting up with the excuses😭
It's crazy
it's gonna be an hour before these comments need to get turned off 😭😂😭😂😭
Kimberly G the ‘Indian’ scream in Blackpink is not Blackpink’s fault. It is solely the enertaintment they’re in.
@Kimberly G You're such a hypocrite. You commented under this video various of times who deserves to be called out like oMg bLackPink did this and rEd Velvet used african instruments too, call them out too1!1 but THEN *agree* with the comment who said "It's not a big deal, y'all are too sensitive". You're the perfect example of not caring about the actual problem but just wanting to cancel groups you don't like. At this point almost every big group has done something problematic and most of us are aware ot that but this video clearly couldn't include every single incident, it was more to spread awareness. So please take your toxic ass and leave.
Kimberly G the “indian scream” in boombayah? that’s a fucking parody of NATIVE AMERICAN culture you fucking racist hypocrite.
Say it louder for the people in the back-
South Korea may be a homogeneous country, but they aren't stupid.
Theres sadly a difference between being stupid and choosing to be stupid and ignorant. I know some koreans choose to be the upper than the latter 😔😔😔
For real.
It breaks my heart watching idols say or do something so damn insensitive and everyone around them start laughing or going along w it like it is something to be praised
I know, sometimes I just sit there like, "Well, damn,you went there."
Like when minnie laughed when soyeon mentioned their ethnic hip concept
For real...I get so disappointed with them...This is why more Kpop fans need to call them out on their shit. Like, you made an insensitive comment/joke. You get the repercussions.
black and desi kpop stans: imagine how tired we are.
CHAELI honestly lets be soulmates I’m so tired of this. Like yeah especially when g idle used the mosque and dancing back to it in hann like I wasn’t really a fan of that. CUBE NEEDS TO BE MORE EDUCATED
@kpop multifandom for an award show, i forget which one specifically. i believe it was in 2018? or 2019 award show
joonprint
They danced with Latata on GDA 2019.
It was Golden Disk Award fault. They decided the background for Iz*one and (G) I-dle. GDA already apologized and deleted their performances.
@@neverland1555 well that's better than what g-idle has ever done
we’re extremely tired chile
The black culture is a heavy influence on kpop. So why disrespect?
EXACTLY!!!
It’s like they want the culture but want nothing to do with black ppl 😪
@@user-yv1yp5dp4l the funny thing is that, I've seen so many interviews of where a lot of them worship and look up to Beyonce. But then come with the disrespect to the people
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!! 🗣
„African style“?????? Girl africa is a whole continent with more than 50+ countries. I‘m pretty sure Morroccan culture is different from Nigerian culture.
Don'tneedausername 2 yes you’re right. Nigerian culture is form Ethiopian culture
Preach
@@melodysooyaa1370 yessss
Thank you
ppl still believe Africa is a country not a continent and its very annoying
Hi
I can't understand how an ethnic/race is a "style/aesthetic" to them
jimin certified baby agreed, like I don’t care if yall use our culture in an educated way but companies just be going “oh ya, sombreros and sugar skulls are cute throw them in there” like wh
CA is a concept that does not excist everywhere in the planet some countries like korea don't even have a word for it hence they assume its unproblematic, but considering that kpop became very international agencies should get educated and educate their idols on these matters hopfully it gets better in the future
Constanza Rojas I grew up being literally the only black girl in my class this type of thinking is common where there isn’t diversity. I remember confusing my classmates when I colored a picture of a person with my brown skin color instead of white and another kid squinted at my paper and said “oh yeah you’re black, I forgot it’s different for you” as if I wasn’t coloring the character black because I’m aware that more black people exist instead of just me. And I wasn’t even able to explain nothing was stopping her from coloring a black character too. I said all this to say that the type of thinking you mentioned starts at a young age and her view of people that looked like me didn’t really expand to her representation of the world when she colored her characters. And it’s not like what she said was malicious, we were only in second grade at the time.
Say it louder for the people in the back sis!
let's not all forget the "but namjoon" excuse kpop stans love to use
jk in what way do they use that ?
@@valxoxo9811 like someone's fave will do something problematic then they'd say "but namjoon did... As well!" as an attempt to defend what their faves have done
i know i know. just because he’s done very problematic things doesn’t mean it’s comparable to another situation that’s racist or problematic. i do think that people need to know the things he did (i don’t think he officially apologized) but he shouldn’t be used as a scapegoat for someone’s problematic faves.
taeyong.as.christ thank god he learned from it though
Mari G yeah
this needs to be talked abt .......like sorry but ur favs are not perfect and they need to be held accountable
Period.
Well so you say, until this happens to your own faves
Honestly I want to say something , if our favs apologized many times , and know that they did a mistake and try to not repeat it , will you still hold them accountable? I know , they are not perfect but they are still humans and we all do mistakes. Many countries in the world have different cultures and traditions , we may not know the impact of our actions and we could offend someone but if this one told us what we did is bad and we try to respect it. Should we still be considered as a bad person ? A racist ? Only because we have done this mistake one time in your life. Sorry for the long rant but it is like saying that a prisoner will still be considered as a bad person even if he’s ready to start a new life
Omg yessssss!!! I've been a fan of kpop since early 2012, and I saw yg released the jennie audition video. I tried say something about it, because she said the N-word in it but everytime I bring it up these days. They are always like "stop bringing up her past". Like for me it's not the past because I've been trying to hold her accountable for a while now. I just want a apology from her. It gets me so frustrated
Sky's The limit wait jennnie said that?? that's so disappointing :( i hope she knows how serious that is
The excuse of, “they’re from Korea they didn’t know” is honestly so dumb. When namjoon from bts himself even apologized for being ignorant at the time one of their songs got a lot of backlash from others. He himself explained the situation and talked about how now he learns about the problems going on around the world just so he won’t offend anyone like he once did. He even has professors check his music so that there won’t be anything offensive on there. And it’s actions like his that show you that he really is apologetic and that idols indeed know what’s going on. Even if they “don’t know because they’re from Korea” they should take at least 10 minutes from their day to know where their fans come from and what they go through. Just my opinion on this matter.
so he made a mistake and so are these idols the op is calling out and the same as Namjoon they can learn from their mistakes too. G Idle just recently got educated about CA, racism and respecting other cultures in general that’s why they’re one of the idols who apologized for their mistake even if it was a mistranslation. The company has already started educating them.
Pfft
Native American K-pop stans are always ignored, so many idols have been disrespectful to our culture, Soyeon from gidle did a native american war cry, Lia wore a native headdress, Jihyo wore a "native american" outfit and called herself "Indian" but people defend them so much and call us "overdramatic". We just want our culture to be respected, we don't hate the idols, we want people to know that their idols actions can be problematic and unexcusable, same goes for any other culture that is appropriated
S. Coups 17 Yes! I mentioned something about the war cry and someone got mad at me and said there was nothing wrong with it.
!!!! THANK YOU. i'm not native american, but one of my close friends is and she opened my eyes to how mistreated native americans are, so i try to bring up racism/insensitivity towards native americans when i see it. (it wasn't just soyeon, the full group did it... and the back dancers were wearing the stereotypical red makeup too :/ a mess and no one acknowledges that specific part)
As a desi who constantly gets shut down when my religion or culture is used as an aesthetic I relate to this
tbh i have also worn an "indian" costume like that for halloween (not exactly halloween but it's sth like that in Greece) when i was younger and it wasn't even a big thing in my country. I do understand where you are coming from though but i think i am a little more sympathetic towards stuff like that because i have also been ignorant before and ppl can indeed educate themselves and change their views. But i completely agree with you, the mistreatment of the native american culture needs to be stopped immediately. I feel like South Korea is a lot like Greece on that part and most of the times it stems from ignorance not racism, so it's easier for me to forgive ppl who have done it in the past since those ppl are parts of my family and friends of mine. The thing is if issues like that are not acknowledged and adressed by anyone in the kpop community, then there would be no change so i am glad ppl are speaking up about it and i really hope that happens in my country as well because their ignorance and insesitivety is starting to get on my nerves.
@Eliana Ceballos yes, everyone acts as if that 1% of the race who didn't get offended speaks for the entire race
as a Mamamoo fan, thank you for this video. this problem is crucial in kpop industry. yes people make mistakes, but we need to call them out in order for them to stop appropriating another culture again. keep on educating the idols, i was once very ignorant on such issues as i am an ignorant person. but i took time to learn what cultural appropriation is and it changed my life.
i'm glad Mamamoo apologized and since then have educated themselves. to rhe communities that they've hurt, i apologize and i hope theyll never make the same mistakes again.
The Wendy one really irritated me that most because she grew up in the states and speak English. She purposely made us look made. They already think that’s how we act and she confirmed it. It’s just annoying that I can research korean culture and learn stuff but they can’t do the same. They can take time to learn English but not learn different cultures. Especially the main ones they take from which is black culture.
Don't know if people are going to read this but I'm Korean, raised in Austalia but I know enough about my culture to tell you affirmatively that most Koreans are very racist. They're not just racists but anyone who is not considered "normal" (i.e. people with disabilities) are all stereotyped and discriminated against. Its not vocal; as in people dont go around saying it but its silent and it shows in actions. Everyone is so fucking judgemental and everyone praises anyone with blonde hair and blue eyes. The truth is Asians in general aren't educated about cultural appropriation and racism. The main thing is that in terms of appropriation- Koreans love it when a foreigner appropriates them. As in, if someone wore Hanbok and played korean instruments in a performance or used it as a music beat or whatever, they enjoy it knowing that it'll spread awareness of Korea. The difference in attitude is what it is. Even I, who grew up in a white society, didn't really understand the concept of cultural appropriation because in my household, it wasn't ever considered as something bad. Okay, now for the racist part - I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS say that Koreans complain so much about racism towards them when the reality is that Koreans are probs the most racist people I know. Foregin workers are underpaid and disregarded for. It's sad really. From my experience (I go visit Korea almost every year for about a month) I always imagine Korea to be a 1970s~1980s society that is technologically advanced. Our values towards LGBTQ communities, race, gender discrimination... literally stuck in the past. There's no excuses and its time for Koreans to educate themselves and realise that racism and cultural appropriation is absolutely not okay.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk (ps -Im not racist thanks to being faced with racism my entire life in a white society.)
culture isn’t a costume.
As a moomoo, reveluv and exo-l this was a little uncomfortable to hear... but as a black woman, I understand that this is so important to bring up and to keep talking about
Racism and respect is *beyond* kpop, don't let this industry distract you from the *real problems* that exist in this world. These problems may not seem like big issues but that's only bc they've been so normalised. Without fans willing to call their idols out, their actions *won't change.* Yes we can admire and have affection for idols, but that shouldn't be at the detriment of losing all sense of accountability
scout same here, as a moomoo when it comes to problems like this i never just come out with excuses and try to defend them, even when they are my fav, what is wrong is wrong, and every human being should keep that in mind
Honestly as a moomoo , don’t forget that they apologized and they didn’t repeat the same mistake . I am also a black woman and honestly I understand what you feels (despite the fact that I didn’t really felt offended 😅) but they learned their mistakes so we still need to remember this .
emmanuela kouakou yea i know exactly what you mean, and i’m not criticizing them for already apologizing because i know for a fact that their apologies were really sincere. i’m just saying that in general when a mistake has been made, fans should be accepting the truth instead of defending for the mistake, fans gotta be prepared for the clash between different culture and gotta respect if the owner of that culture is being offended by the misuse and misinterpretation of it. i’m not targeting a specific group, im just saying things in general
emmanuela kouakou didn’t Hwasa call he self black with a clown outfit and braids
Daytona 08 🤨 I don’t know where you saw this but I can assure you they apologized for their past mistakes
Something that bothers me is when fans defend the idol by saying that they are “uneducated” like they may not be geniuses but their not toddlers and even if you didn’t know at least apologize last thing even if I love Wendy she has NO excuse being Canadian (also what you said about not knowing them is so true) anyway thanks for coming to my ted talk
Sterna Levin there is no excuse.... the Internet exists g-idle could do research.
Sterna Levin Right? This same argument is used to justify Amber’s insensitive comments and she graduated from the same high school I went to in California 🙄
@@Claudia-gh4hu what did Amber say?
@@darigamedelkanova3712 that a black guy deserved to get roughed up by cops and arrested for eating a sandwich in public and "being disrespectful" (aka asking the cops why they were trying to arrest him bc it's an obscure law and there were no signs visible and he wasn't doing anything violent)
@@user-nd5lg2rj2j oh my god , that's horrible
not to rant or anything but for me, being a black kpop stan is really tiring when kpop is meant to be an escape for me and there's always an idol being ignorant with tons of fans jumping through rings of fire to defend then and even accept apologies for us (and that's not even mentioning how racist stan twt can get for all minorities bc it gets really bad whew). people preach and preach about educating their faves while continuing to brush the issue under the rug and ignore the people who are actually trying to help which makes me really sad to see because i want to support all of my faves but accepting that there's so many people willing to let them turn a culture/race into some watered down joke for the sake 'protecting' their faves is a hard pill to swallow :(
idk if that even made any sense but i felt like this would be a nice place to get my feelings out lmao
I am so sorry to hear that, I can't imagine how exhausting that must be. take care please
@@lauraspradlin2048 thank you 🥺💖
erica marie sis as another black person who loves kpop. It’s super healthy and important to take breaks from listening to kpop because sometimes the racism not only from idols but from fans themselves can be overwhelming.
erica marie I understand this completely. There have been MANY occasions where I wanted to turn away from Kpop because of the racism. I have been a kpop fan for almost 10 years now, and it feels like the racism will never stop. Idols never learn and worse, other Non Black or non dark-skinned fans feed this behavior.
I think the problem is the fans. If fans didn't accept this, companies would not allow this behavior to continue. It's just business. We need to educate Kpop fans willing to be educated. And publicly shun Kpop fans who wish to continue being racist, ignorant, and insensitive to other cultures.
One of the things that I think about these days is how many idols are being cohersed into believing these issues are okay by their companies. For example, Blackpink and their war cry or Jihyo in the "Indian" dress. Both occassions staff/writers allegedly caused this to happen. The idea that idols may be influenced by their superiors to continue doing offensive/racist things is disturbing to me. This is why I believe it is so important for fans to educate other fans and weed out bad fans. If we can create an environment where racist fans are not in control, then we would have more of a say as to what the companies are allowed to let their idols do, as well as additional training on how to be respectful to other cultures(Like BTS when they held a concert in Saudi Arabia).
Sorry that this is so long. I just want you to know that you are not alone in this AT ALL. And so many other people are conflicted in the same way. We need solutions. We need to take action. But when there is so much hate and disgust, it can feel impossible to do.
What happened?
*Controversial opinion:* I think there's a difference between "cultural appropriation" and "cultural appreciation". Now here me out for a second... there are so many fake woke people nowadays who act like they speak in behalf of every person in a certain culture, even from those they aren't even a part of. I've known so many people who see artists and celebrities using part of their culture as a mark of pride that they're being recognized. As a Filipino, when we saw the PH flag being paraded by Nancy in one of Momoland's music videos I didn't really notice a lot of PH K-Pop fans crying CA and instead was proud that Momoland seemed to have acknowledged us in a way. I've also seen a lot of Spanish fans who feel flattered when Spanish music/sound is referenced in other music because it shows that Spanish music is now internationally recognized.
Of course, there are those in the opposite end of the spectrum who do feel that it is inappropriate. But at the end of the day, as long as it wasn't used mockingly, but instead in a positive way, I believe that a lot of people will be fine with it. Because it really depends on the people themselves whose cultures are being used whether they see it as CA or not. I'm just tired of seeing so many people who have no affiliations whatsoever with the cultures act like they're speaking for "everyone" and try to spark outrage when there's none.
I do acknowledge that idols and companies have to be more informed, but the whole "internet exists" argument seems so misplaced because we know how busy idols can get and how much control companies can have on their education and even freedom so they can't spend as much time "educating" themselves as many of us do who regularly browse the web. Yes, they need to be held accountable, however, no, I don't really know how to get their companies to acknowledge it. But there has to be a better way than just plain outrage and shaming, isn't there? I understand voicing out opinions is important but if it doesn't actually do anything to remedy the situation, maybe we should rethink it a bit to become more helpful? I dunno, but just my two cents on the issue.
I think two of the biggest problems when trying to discuss CA in kpop are:
1. everyone wants their ults to be the One Morally Pure Group. everyone wants their faves to be superior and puts them on a pedestal, placing unrealistic expectations on them and failing to acknowledge that since idols are human beings, they are most likely going to make mistakes and hold prejudices. This belief becomes so deeply ingrained that fans don't can't fathom it when their faves mess up because it doesn't match the image they've built up in their head.
2. The majority of stans unfortunately don't care about CA unless it's for clout. Racism is a tool used to bash a group they dislike, instead of actually taking a moment of realise the seriousness of what's going on. CA being weaponized in fanwars completely detracts from any legitimate discussions we try to have.
this!!!!!!!!!
Yep this is right on the dot, escpially the last one
Someone FINALLY said it
I agree, idols are still humans and do mess up. But this is also why it baffles me for some people who act like when idols do something bad they were doing so deliberately. Because if that were the case, sure, just give some proof and people will eventually acknowledge it. It happened with Seungri, and he was one of the biggest idols in the industry. This is why a lot of fans just go for the "educate them" route (which a lot of people here seem to disagree with) because if it was indeed a mess-up, then bashing and finger pointing definitely won't help the situation. This is not to say that they shouldn't be held accountable, but people can still be respectful and understanding while doing so. Because I've seen many cases where people believe that idols deserve the outrage and that making them feel worse about their actions is "holding them accountable."
Preach
Wendy did wht she did but actually the entire part of that interveiw was offence starting from the question its self.....both wendy and the host are at fault
Didn’t it happen more than once as well? 2 similar instance of Wendy being offensive
Exactly like people just put her under fire as if she was the one who chose to do it
She didn't even had the ability to ignore it or not
Not answering isn't an option
I hea4 from some people that they asked her to imitate her high school friends. One was white and one was black. She imitated the white one and then the black one. However somewhere along the line it got mistranslated or Smth. Don’t @ me but that’s what I heard?
Sorry but she did it two different times. She knew what she was doing.
@@jemimad9604 I totally understand that. The sad reality is that people all over the world make racist jokes to/with their friends and no one gets judged. However, the difference is that shes a public figure and making moves like that has affects. If you saw that video, about two of the people their imitated Wendy. The edit wasn't about her friend but had the statue of liberty- showing that they didn't just see this as her friends only. They don't know any better than someone who shall I say has been more exposed to black females and also she did it again. Friends hurt each other- accident or not, it still has the same effects. She's human and bound to make mistakes but its misleading and we cant just keep letting these things be ignored before someone does it again. Yet it doesn't mean people should hate on her but I understand some people who may still be upset because she never apologised and did it again.
For a country that is obsessed with their education system and things like that, they truly know nothing about themselves or others. And that is just sad
T F that’s what I find the most baffling about it. If the education in South Korea is of such high quality, why aren’t they much more culturally sensitive?
@@brendaaraujo7059 Not defending them or anything just solely answering the question. What's taught in their education system is just their country's culture and history. They wouldn't teach about american culture/history or african culture/history, etc. Just like how the american education system probably don't teach korean history, african, and other country's histories. I live in an asian country and what I learned in our world history subjects are just the basics of the different races, world war 1 and 2, and facts and basic culture of each asian countries. Of course, it's not an excuse. Information is way more accessible now through the internet. It's so easy to educate ourselves about other cultures.
@@brendaaraujo7059 THE WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND YOU!
That whole gidle ethnic thing was a mess. Even though I like the group they need to apologize. Being a black kpop fan there’s always something that disappoints me. Thanks for the video
Yeah, but the problem is some other Kpop fans who don't care about always say this, "Oh, you're just looking to be mad/to complain." And once I was on Twitter and there was a video of a black girl twerking to Anpanman and someone commented;"Since when did Kpop become ghetto?" That hurt and that's why as a black Kpop fan, I'm always scared of speaking about this since I'm scared of those type of comments.
twitter.com/gidlefriend/status/1252781017716404232?s=19 g idle were educated on the subject. However , I agree that an apology is needed( but this is most likely up to cube and their managers)
Britney Enabosi It wad actually confirmed that Idle went trough hours of training and education after this scandla but that Cube and their pr team won’t let them apologize because it may cause controversy in Korea
was* scandal* tf
Cccc Qqqq Really?
I’m gonna be honest, you definitely changed my mind over this whole conversation. You can still be a fan while holding your faves accountable and not feeling the need to defend them. What some of these idols do and say is wrong, and definitely hurtful to certain communities. I think a lot of people probably relate where I just want to talk and educate these idols, but that’s never gonna happen and most of the time we’re just left to wonder “have they changed?”, “do they feel sorry?”, “do they even realize how ignorant they are?”. We don’t have any closure and most of the time we can’t communicate our issues to these idols/their company, and I think for ME at least that’s the most irritating part.
Carol POP OFF SIS!!! That I’m biggest problem too. I think the use of culture is fine if used appropriately. It honestly makes me happy and I feel appreciated.
Honestly people should stop coming for u when u re black and u have every rights to be hurt or offended by idols
yoongisnoodlesforhoseok preach sis
Off topic but I see you everywhere.
Hi.
@@PresidentNat lmao hi u see me everywhere bc i have too much time since quarantine 🥺💜
Me a brown Muslim 😳: I just sit back and observe
I feel like gidle, mamamoo and wendy are talked about so much, but other groups like clc, oh my girl and apink are still being given the free pass up until today. People need to be fair in calling out idols. Clc seungyeon has dressed up in Indian outfits on multiple occasions, sorn drew a mole in the middle of yeeuns forehead and yeeun did the stereotypical namaste. Oh my girl have covered the curry song so many times which is racist as hell, apinks bomi has literally done blackface???? In my opinion, these groups need to be called out and treated the same way as gidle and mamamoo!
I agree that these issues are wrong, but they've also done this to Hispanics, Caribbean, and Native Americans. As a mixed race person and there have been many things that idols have done. I have been hurt by it sometimes and it sucks. They know what they are doing, but they did it and I hold my favorites accountable, but I still stan my groups. I get annoyed at the people that defend them instead. It is wrong, but I do hold them accountable. Thank you for mentioning this topic.
this needed to be talked about fr as a black kpop fan I've tried to bring up this sometimes and I get attacked so I-
Edit: I may stan a lot of groups but if they do some shat like this I'm gonna speak up about it and that's on perry no platypus
Girl, same. It's so annoying and then you get called the "aggresive" black girl
@@sixeysemks facts I'm too introverted to be aggressive smh I just mind my business but that won't stop what I actually think about it
Same and it's hard to stan/support idols or kpop in general knowing they think like this about you
WAIT PERRY ISNT A PLATYPUS???
@@goldrush8047 I SNATCHED HIS PLATYPUS CARD
What do people define as appropriate and inappropriate? What do people define as respectful and disrespectful? I don't know about you people, but I find cultural appropriation and racist behavior to be very loosely defined. This isn't just a matter of ignorance, but rather the fact that cultural appropriation is such an ambiguous concept that even the people who preach it have difficulty grasping it. I am genuinely asking a question here, and I would appreciate if I could get a discussion between multiple perspectives.
I just searched on Naver about "cultural appropriation" and it says 'a racist concept that certain culture can be done/be used by certain race'. Is it right? I'm korean myself and we are not educated about race, since our textbook says Korea is a single-race nation(and I partially agree about that), so majority of Koreans actually dont care about race and other culture😥sorry for my bad english & i will accept comments that will teach me
It's annoying when someone says something about Soyeon's eThNic HiP scandal and neverlands immediately come for your bias group as an answer instead of a civil one. For example someone was saying how Soyeon has to apologize and I replied saying (my profile photo was Jennie btw): yes she does, it was disrespectful and a gidle stan replied: "the only thing Soyeon needs to do is teach jennie how to rap" and I'm like and you did this for what lmao
and thats happening all the time, they are disrespecting other groups and fandoms to cover up the bad behavior of Soyeon
also when they say ethnic doesn't mean the same thing in korean, that it's a fashion style... no it's an adjective describing modern content that uses traditional styles (patterns, instruments, etc) from different cultures and it's bad. in english, 'ethnic' means the same thing, and there's the term 'ethnicity' with the same root that means those traditional cultures' racial backgrounds. in korean, the term for 'ethnicity' (민족) does not have a root in the word 'ethnic' (meaning the genetic makeup) but... soyeon used ethnic meaning taking instruments and music from other cultures' traditions.
every time someone tries to start a discussion about CA it devolves into an argument about how X group you stan did THIS therefore you can't criticise someone else's faves and like. you actually can hold multiple people to account. you can like a group and still acknowledge they fucked up. people wanna try and turn racism into a fanwar and it's ridiculous.
I understand your point but I would like you to see this conversation between a neverland and Jeff Benjamin ( kpop columnist for billboard)
imgur.com/a/OeJuOIL
all of the fandoms defend their favs don't pretend blinks or revluvs did not make excuses all fandoms are just as bad, and as neverland what bothers me is this exactly what you're doing ignoring the fact that all idols are guilty and all phandoms are guilty and just bringing soyeon as the worst of the worst just because you love to jump on hate bandwagons
@@lilias3105 yes everyone defends their faves but we do it by uplifting them not by dragging other idols. And blinks made excuses for what? Jennie's lAZy scandal that happened because of her mental and physical issues? All idols are guilty of what? You literally make no sense. I actually like idle and i never ever hated them or left a bad comment but ofcourse, Neverlands will never accept the truth: soyeon fucked up. Yes other idols did too but so did Soyeon
what irks me the most is that girlgroups DO get cancelled over this, but when it’s about boygroups everyone suddenly goes “clear the searches omg”
sorry but Wendy that was RUDE !!!!
Sometimes it feels like more of ignorance than racism.
thank you for talking about this !! i am tired of being disregarded for being offended or simply disgusted by their actions. i am arab (egyptian) and muslim, and it makes me sick that people defended gidle for using my culture as an aesthetic. when i moved to a western country, i was isolated and shamed for my culture, but now its an aesthetic for you?? you get to dance in front of a mosque while muslim women around the world a constantly judged for wearing hijabs? you use egyptian culture for hann as if i wasnt called the chocolate lady and was constantly under scrutiny by everyone around me?? and now you want to defend them when they don't even acknowledge their mistakes or try to learn? and this isn't just about idle, i am just using them as an example speaking from my own experience.
Honestly same I am also Egyptian and Muslim and it was so disrespectful I cannot believe they did such a thing it pisses me off
How was hann Egyptian?
people think that they did not get educated, but they did.
They did not apologize but that's not up to them but up to their company.
Neverlands spammed the shit out of cube to get answers about this issue and though we did not get any statement from cube, one of the Billboard kpop columnists, Jeff Benjamin, has spoken about the issue (close ties with idle and cube) and he said the following:
m.imgur.com/a/OeJuOIL
This doesn't discredit your hurt and I'm sorry about what you've been through and I hope that you are and will always be treated with the respect you deserve! ❤️
Madalena Ribeiro fatty
Sorry hann is korean soyeon explain this in interview do research again before write
There are the same problems everywhere, Africa is a continent with many different countries and cultures so is Asia, Asia isn't China, Asian people are not all Chinese. I'm tired of that, why can't people respect everyone.
If idols did CA, we should educate them immedietly. Kpop stans seems to be more on a cancel culture. The proper way of correcting idols who do CA is educating them about these so they wont do it again in the future
mingi print You’re right hate isn’t going to solve the issue however we are only fans if they want to learn about a culture and come out of ignorance google is there it’s really up to them to learn the same way I’m learning about korean culture they can learn about others cultures imo
And yet they do it again and people say the same shit. I’m tired of forgiving idols when their not 5 year old toddlers. How are we expected to respect everything about their cultures and they don’t give a shit about their fans culture, I’m tired of educating them and everyone else is too.
@@jiayue4408 what are we doing to educate these idols about culture? All we do is tell them it is inappropriate and try better next time. Music is itself an aspect of culture. These idols who are trying to appeal to global fans have to constantly innovate--and the only way they can do so is by learning from other cultures and integrating them into their own music. Their music concepts would perhaps be less offensive if we gave them constructive criticisms on the melodies and rhythms they should employ to correct their cultural misconceptions.
Leon Sarker if you think people don’t do this you’re wrong people put this under their instagrams under their twitter and under the youtube comments, I see it all the time, and if they felt bad enough to issue an apology they should understand why tf it was wrong and educate themselves, do not apologize is you don’t even know why it was wrong.
@@jiayue4408 And I hope you don't actually think idols have a choice on doing public apologies (unless it's on their own private accounts) when all the jurisdiction for that goes to their company. Sure they should be held accountable, but maybe sparking outrage and shaming them isn't the best way to do it eh, buddy? Bring it up with their companies... and if there's still no response, then just hope they get better. Because if not, then what, storm their company and make the CEO read all the comments or something? At most, educating them is one of the few good things most of us can do, and it's certainly better than just dragging them through the mud.
South Korea banning Hetalia because of its portrayal of South Korea's character in the manga, saying that it's stereotypical and offensive...and yet here are the South Korean idols throwing cultural appropriation left, right and center with abandon and them South Koreans don't give a damn about it...so, they can offend other cultures but when their culture is involved they go ballistic...
Hypocrisy at its best...
We have to stop baby-ing these artist, they are grown ass ppl
If i see one “but namjoon...” i trow my chair.
Ur thumbnail reminded me of:
*'Aww shit here we go again'*
This should be talked about more rather than Momoland's glares or BlackPink's unstable MR removed. I like the way that you are talking in an educated way and not making fun of the artists because of their mistakes. I honestly think that they didn't do any of these to insult others but it is still very wrong and they should be educated. But it's really sad because we don't know if they wanted to apologize or anything because their companies basically controls them. And what Wendy did was offensive. I'm a Red Velvet Stan but I think it was really rude.
Chill and Psycho (G)I-DLE and Cube (company) have apologized and they even get hours of education for scandal in Queendom and about other times, it’s not cultural appropriation it’s culture adoption.
I wanna explain about culture appropriation that some people keep on talking nonstop.
(This is not my own information, I got it from other.)
1. During Hann and Latata era (G)I-DLE studied many Middle Eastern arts and elements. They spoke with Arabic fans to learn more about the Middle Eastern culture and gave credits to those fans on an interview. (G)I-DLE also got the henna designs done by professionals.
2. Soyeon who is leader/Main director of the group contacted a Brazilian reporter to learn more about Latin culture, style, music, language and instruments. Not only did Soyeon gave credit to the Brazilian reporter but also let him be a part of their song (Señorita).
3. (G)I-DLE really wanted to do a hip hop concept for their summer comeback so they did many research on Hip Hop/R&B culture and were inspired by many artists from it. They analyzed the style, the camera angles, and musical genre during the 90s. They were inspired by the musical genre Boom Bap which is a genre you haven’t really heard K pop girls do quiet often.
4. They also do research on historical people/events. For their song they tributes it to the Joan of Arc story. (There is also a link about this but I forgot to copied it.)
@@summerringwithme Oh that's great to hear I guess.
Chill and Psycho yeah, it’s great and people should hear it more
Newsflash - Your idols aren't "babies". They are grown ass adults. You cannot let their ignorance go by, you should inform them because cultures shouldn't be a accessory to their music, outfits, etc.
as a neverland we do try to hold idle accountable and have sent emails to cube about it. Yuqi has apologized for a mistranslation that was seen as culturally insensitive, i think the girls have seen our complaints and hopefully wont do anything insensitive again in the future. Some of the things idle have been said to appropriate come from the cultures of the members, mainly thai culture. Minnie is thai and the members have talked about it in interveiws, but this is not to excuse the times theyve been culturally insensitive. Fans make excuses for their faves and refuse to acknowledge it at times, yet will drag other groups for the same insensitive or racist things their faves have done, we cant get anywhere with this conversation if we don’t acknowledge our faves actions.
As a Korean, I always feel so disappointed to these idols and also so sorry to all kpop fans from all over the world. You know, South Korea is homogeneous country and we don't get any education about cultural appropriation or racism. These racism is from the absence of proper education about diversity. But thesedays the ignorance can't be excuses anymore. There are always racism problems in this kpop industry from old times and the company and idols probably know it too. If they know this is problematic, they have to change it and educate them. But they don't realize anything and change anything. If same mistakes keep repeating, it can be considered as intention.
I tried holding jennie accountable for saying the N-word. The fans said "stop digging up her past" when I did not. I tried holding her accountable since the beginning, I commented on the video when it came out. Also the thing is when they said "stop digging up her past" that's the thing they exactly do with mamamoo, bts, exo, g-idle, red velvet, hyuna, hwasa, or anyone who they think might be a threat to blackpink in the kpop industry. They will dig up anything to make them look bad. Now I'm not saying I hate jennie, because I don't. But she needs to be held accountable and I'm tired of blinks defending her blindly. I had someone yesterday tell me "its doesn't matter if she said it. I dont care that she said it. It really doesn't matter, you are making a big deal out of nothing" as if that word didn't have a history on my culture and past. The least she can do is a sincere apology. And blinks, stoo blindly defending her. I'm not saying all blinks are horrible and think it doesnt matter but a very very large majority are.
Not to be a typical Army, but I feel like bangtan are a great example of what can happen when you do hold your faves accountable for their actions. They received a lot of criticism for their cultural appropriation in debut era, and misogyny in war of hormone, and they took that criticism on board, apologised for their actions, and /actively and visibly changed their mentality/.
the “they’re from korea, they didn’t know” is lowkey just infantilization of asians. We’re not fucking stupid, they know better 😭
I don’t like how people in the comments say that Army’s don’t care about BTS’ mistakes. We actually have a lot on our plates. We just don’t comment on it because it were mistakes they acknowledged, apologized for and never did again. We all know about RM’ s stupid hair he feels embarrassed for ‘till this day ( they are still a lot of memes circulating ) and other things. People also love to mention that he said the N word when singing shinwhas this love on stage. However, it was part of the lyrics the band never got backlash for but RM had to hear a lot because of it and apologized. Also BTS’ Idol is not meant to appropriate but to appreciate cultures. I understand that other fandoms might not understand as they did not see interviews or lives of them explaining their concept but in this case they should not judge too quickly. They explained that they wanted to celebrate various cultures all over the world and said that they used African rhythm, dance moves and that their suits were inspired from African clothes. Whenever American interviewers asked them to do the “Idol dance” they said that it was called Gwara Gwara ( South African dance ). RM also said in a live that he studied about Latin Pop before producing Airplane part 2. I also want to say that when it comes to clothes or hairstyles of Idols it is mostly the companies fault since they are the ones who decide on those things , however, when an Idol behaves inappropriately on occasions where they are more or less independent, there is no excuse.
This annoys me, even as a white person, I often see people wearing braids, using different cultures for 'aesthetic' and even back in the day, using the N word. IT just annoys because these types of things are so easily avoidable. You don't have to say the N word, you don't have to wear that hairstyle. While I thing we can come to accept past mistakes idols have made, we need to make sure they never do it again and educate them so they can educate their fans
Johnny's Jaist hold up who just straight up said the N word tho
@@emilyvalentine4565 I believe Jimin and Rap Monster did. Rap Monster apologised, I'm not sure about Jimin. Some have mouthed it like Jaehyun from NCT, but people can't guarantee he said it because the video was laggy. There was a misunderstanding with Bang Chan, but he actually said ninjas, which is the 3racha fandom name. I think alot of older groups, but I can't guarantee the rest. Hope that helped :) (I think someone in Big Bang did?)
Oh also BamBam from GOT7 and Jimin of AOA, but she took it down and apologized. I don't know about it so I can't give alot of details
You also don't have to call people with a darker skin of African descent black people because their skin is clearly not black. You also don't have to call those people African Americans because some of them are in no way culturally associated with Africa. You also don't have to call them African because some of them are not African. You also don't have to call them "him" or "her" because you can't assume their gender.
My sarcastic statement above demonstrates how difficult it is to identify a human being without creating labels. You just labeled yourself as a white person. I know many people who are offended by being called "white." Is it okay to call yourself white because you are not offended? If that is the case, is it okay for a person with a darker skin of African descent to call themselves by the N word? That would certainly encourage the use of such offensive word. I have a friend who is 1/4 black whose skull structure, complexion and skin color are classified by his forensics class as belonging to the "Caucasian" group. Can he call himself by the N word? He finds both the words "white" and "N word" to be offensive, so is it justified for anyone to use any of the two words? I would argue that cultural appropriation is more difficult to tackle than you credit it to be.
@@issy2170 jimin never said that. Don't spread misinformation.
Im full latino, and i dont care about half of kpop songs taking samples from latin culture as a matter of fact i live for it if its catchy. I also see it everywhere and screaming about like they did a crime is uncalled for.
All i gotta say
What annoys me the most about some kpop fans is that they will talk about other artists doing culture appropriation, but completely ignore their faves doing it. There was a twitter post of a armys talking about how blackpink did culture appropriation and that they would never stand a group who does that, but when someone mention how hobi wore dread locks in one of his mv they completely ignored it and tried to make excuse for it. Some fans only care about culture appropriation when their favs aren’t included in it, or when only their culture is being appropriated.
I think you are mistaken it was not dread locks, it was hair gel.
Hobi never wore dreadlocks. Wtf check your facts.
Afrin Sayed oh your right, this whole time I thought he had the dreadlocks for cns. But it’s gel to twirl the hair ...
Lots of people didn’t think that Idol was culturally appropriated when BTS used South African instruments and a traditional dance. Suga wore those cornrows a long time ago at a music show, he even had a teardrop tattoo for a photo in one of their photo shoots. The hair gel thing is weird. Normally to start dreads or lock, your hair needs to be twisted with gel so I can definitely see it. It was also kind of a dangerous move since he was covering a song made famous by black people and for the black community.
@@shiloh8734 bts showed that they understood the cultural meaning of the instruments & dance, i believe. don't quote me on that though.
i agree we shouldnt let these things slide but there IS a difference between being racist and being ignorant 😐
There's two types of people.
Those that say you can't celebrate lunar new year unless you are Chinese.
And those that invites everyone to celebrate lunar new year.
Slade951
What does that have to do with anything? We’re talking about how idols are being racist and rude to other group while taking their culture and using it for profit. Are you delusional?
Yep... and so far this comment section is filled with only the one type.
@@alaaye5237 Nah, their comment makes sense. They're talking about cultural appropriation (kind of?) but it's hard to pick up in the comment.
Candice Lei
No, I get what they’re saying. They just want people to share their culture but in reality that’s not going to happen until kpop idols stop disrespecting it and being racist.
@@alaaye5237 Oh ok, I guess I misunderstood your comment. Thank you for not being mad about it.
be like namjoon, he may have done worse than these idols back when he was young, he apologized a billion times, and has educated himself to the point he asks feminists with some lyrics he has wrote . yeah , be like namjoon lmfao
fans only "care" about cultural appropriation when it's someone other than their favs doing it
As a black kpop stan i give up trying to tell fans about this topic bc we're always told "its only music, hair, or an outfit" and that "kpop is never that deep." So I stay silent bc I refuse to argue about it
Tata BT21 Same :(
in general kpop idols should be taught and educated about this matter
I stopped supporting kpop a few weeks ago because they are problematic its a simple thing yet they cant learn smh just really dissapointed
“It’s just hair! It’s not a big deal!!”
People need to realized braids originated by have a much deeper meaning and it shouldn’t be used for “aesthetic” purposes. Same thing with dreads and gel twists. Especially when braids for black people are to PROTECT our hair and when other people use box braids, it ruins their hair. Especially since their hair is fairly thin and has different textures.
Hearts for Lexis Especially when people try to down play it saying braids don’t belong black people or other things from our culture. Like obviously we know that, but African style braids are apart of our culture. We don’t struggle getting jobs and going to school because people this our hair isn’t “professional” for nothing. I’m 17 and it’s annoying when this topics comes up in school, and I’m the only educated one out of my classmates
Meya Harden I’m not saying they don’t belong to a culture I’m just saying that there is many different styles of braids all around the world
mikhayla kelly I’m agreeing that they do belong in other cultures. It’s just that some stans down play it sometimes. I totally agree with you! I’m sorry if it sounded like I wasn’t or too aggressive. I’m so sorry 😭
Meya Harden oh no I took it the wrong u don’t have to be sorry I’m sorry but it is true that people do down play it😅😭
mikhayla kelly box braids are just when other hair or fabric is used to braid within someone’s natural hair. Like did you watch the ICY video with Yeji? Her braids were her natural hair and no one had a problem but for someone like Lisa or Joy or Minnie, they used braiding hair. It’s a really fine line. Black people cultural appropriate all the time. After Nicki Minaj made that Chun Li song, black social media blew up with everyone wearing chopsticks in their hair and qipao dresses. We make fun of all types of ethnicities but we get a pass because we’re on the lower scale of “oppression”.
Another thing that bothers me is that a lot these groups are trying so hard to promote in the west, who do they think their audience is? How can you want to promote in this industry in these countries but not understand that whats OK in Korea is not always what’s OK and other countries. They want a dollar but don’t want to respect us; both the idols and the companies should do some learning .i have no problem forgiving idols, that apologize, try to make it right and try not to do it again.
This one 👏🏾👏🏾
Also it's so sad when kpop stans, in order to defend their faves, say racist things or completely invalidate us by saying things like "omg it's just hair!!". So many times I've seen kpop stans in Twitter and insta refer to us as "you blacks", and have even seen slurs be thrown out as they try and defend their idol. like why are you stooping so low to the point of outright racism just to defend grown ass men and women who have clearly done something wrong. Your faves are capable of apologizing and not repeating the cultural appropriation and racism they took part in, you don't need to defend them nor do they deserve your defense. As fans, it is your right and responsibility to call out unacceptable behavior, because you have the most influence out of everyone else. If idols see that their fans continue to support them despite racism or other behavior, then they will never change their ways because they think they can get away with stuff like that. Of course everyone deserves a second chance, but when it's someone who hasn't apologized nor shown that they have grown from their wrongdoings, and if they continue their appropriation and racism, then it's time to realize that you're supporting a racist.
And I was somehow oblivious from all this 🗿
the last time I was this early Blackpink had comebacks
So over a year
you guysss. Instead of justifying their actions, let’s all just accept it and help the community fix this continuous problem. We all love our groups but this is not okay. As someone who stans many kpop groups, I am disappointed by the way we are handling these issues. Making excuses is never a solution and doesn’t really help the situation at all. Anyways love you guys, let’s keep fighting til these issues are solved
Y’all this isn’t hate, it’s just educating from my view. I don’t understand how some fans got so butt hurt or defensive about it. LET THY IDOL GROW.
Reading those comments I just wish people actually knew what cultural appropriation means. Nobody talks like they do
I’ve seen some idols dressed as “Native Americans” and wearing a headdress and as a Native American myself I was kind of mad because in my culture people earn them and don’t wear them for fun. I was sad when I seen it. It just makes me feel like my culture is not that important and everyone can wear a headdress for fun. And it saddens me because people might think that’s what we actually wore.
Meanwhile Japanese people looking at weebs be like :First time?
this reminded me of that time selena gomez released 'come and get it.' I was a big fan, but after i saw that, it felt so weird watching my culture used as a new flavor in her music video, people kept saying it was the best song or whatever but i just felt weird as an indian. Just imagine if indian artists made music videos dressed in traditional hanboks and used chopsticks and bun wigs as a part of their outfit to amp up their diversity in music. how would you koreans feel. hella inappropriate.
I'm just saying they shoudn't talk/imitate a culture they know nothing about, they can say whatever they want because they're idols and it doesn't seem inappropriate to korean people.
The thing is, I feel like some idols/companies don't learn from other people's mistakes.
For example the braids : so many male and female idols had this hairstyle and got a lot of backlash from it, people calling them racist, ignorant, insensitive... yet companies still ask them to do it (idk if it's the stylist or the idol him/herself but anyway that's not the point)
Korea simply has this ignorant mindset, where they think that they don't need to learn about other people's cultures or that they aren't offending anyone 😧
It's like they're in a bubble or something (especially the elderly)...
At the end of the day they still got money so they don't care about the problem because they still get the money they want
@Whitney Titus oh alright thank you
It's not my personal culture so I can't criticize anything.
@@xenia9499 they can earn money without appropriating someone else's culture.
@@dc9067 yes but I just wanted to give a reason why they could not care about the problem ;-;
P.S. a lot of your faves have been to America multiple times, they have SEEN black people, and they are not originally from Korea. They are multi-lingual, they have social media accounts, and they are not hidden from the rest of the world. They are FULLY aware that their comments are wrong. They do not care.
People have different opinions on that.
Some say: Those Idols are adults and have access to Internet so they can research and
shouldn’t have done that in the first place.
And some say: They are people, they make mistakes and apologized. Not everyone knows everything about ( other ) cultures.
But it really depends on the situation, so try to approach this maturely and not hate but educate.
Companies MUST "EDUCATE" their IDOLS and even the company itself needs to be EDUCATED!!!
It pissed me off when Soyen called Africa a style and all the girls praised her like she did something smh
k-pop stans have to understand that the groups you hate for "being racist" or doing CA are just the ones that got caught.
Any idol could do that, because they are not american. They don't get teached that at schools. Most of them don't understand how it's bad because its not they're culture.
And I'm not saying this to "excuse",just be real with yourself, you "unstan" problematic ones and still support the others but deep down you probably know they could do the same. K-pop isn't the best fandom to be in if you're very progressive. Its still a very conservative country they live in, and it can't be changed so easily with yt videos or angry tweets.
A huge issue is that they’re misrepresenting it, which is a huge issue, especially when those cultures are constantly misrepresented in media globally. KPop is no longer this small industry, it’s spread globally and now has a huge international influence. How they present other cultures is now important.
Especially how anti-black Korea (and therefore Kpop) is as a whole, it’s insane to see how they continue to profit off the culture time and time again.. (Let it be clear that it is not only the black community that is being negatively affected by it, for example G-idle presenting a misrepresentation of native/aboriginal culture)
And the bigger issue is, I-Knetz who should KNOW better refuse to hold their favs accountable, and even worse, don’t let POC kpop stans speak up for themselves.
MY GOD it is so refreshing to see someone talking about this in a mature and respectful way!! Wendy is my bias in Red Velvet and she was the VERY first idol I ever stanned, so when I saw her do that it made me really sad, but it's in the past now, and the way people were wishing harm to her wellbeing was very inappropriate. So thank you for being so calm about this and other examples!!
As a moomoo I'd like to apologize on behalf of Mamamoo and moomoos....We have called Mamamoo out on it and they have issued apologies...Again our sincerest apologies 💕💕
I really appreciate you using your platform to talk about this. Honestly I do in part look at the idols behavior themselves but I put the blame on the companies that manage the idols. Maybe back 10 years ago when KPOP was not as global as it is now, companies could get away with this crap, but now it’s 2020, and there is going to be a reckoning. I think what will hold Kpop back is the amount of appropriation and the disregard for other people’s cultures that will hinder it from being taken seriously. As a black Kpop fan myself, It gets exhausting seeing stereotypes of black people being used to make an aesthetic. Because we are cool with our hip hop and dreads and the things that make us hip, but we as a people aren’t cool. You don’t know how many times I’ve seen black features like tan or dark skin or curly hair as the butt of jokes in Korean media. These companies need to start having interns from the global to keep them in check and rather than putting down idols and canceling them for good, I hope we can educate and help them understand why some of the things they do are offensive. That is how they can learn and grow, and when that happens, it’s a beautiful thing.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk
it's like the idols/idols companies think that a culture is a concept sometimes and can be disappointing to see
conjo dot fr !!!!!
i don’t really care about the hair styles personally,as a black person i see that as cultural appreciation but the others stuff yeah 🥶🥶 that annoys me.
Daniel Porter yeah ok same. Maybe it’s because I was the only black kid in my class for so long so I never really got a crash course in black culture but other than in Africa I haven’t seen a actual cultural relevance to braids. So idk why people get heated over it.
As a Taiwanese, I didn't realize that this is racism. But after watching this video, I get it now. What I'm trying to say is perhaps mostly Asian don't get familiar with Africa culture and Latin culture, namely not international enough.
As a korean I agree with this video and that their actions shouldn’t be defended
Thank you for finally speaking up about red velvet. I’m so tired of people always dragging g idle but disregarding every other group for their racist actions. G idle does come out more as ignorance than hatred or racism. Too bad cancel culture is more about superiority complexes than actually educating outlets :/
In some cases , yes it's the idol thats the problem but isnt also the stylist as well?
Hey, black 2nd gen fan here: I 100% agree with you. I think some people who say "it's just hair" "they didnt mean it" "what's the big deal" etc. Dont understand what it's like to have your culture appropriated because they dont understand their own (or not in touch with their own) imagine having your culture shamed and looked as a joke for years just to have someone who doesnt understand it make it a "aesthetic".
So many educated and sensible comments here are restoring my faith in the kpop community 🥺
My ultimate group is NCT, and there was a point where Jaehyun mouthed the N word and I kinda wanted to ignore the situation. But like a week later I had to accept the fact he did that. I didn't stop stanning NCT I just know I have to accept that they could be racist and it's bad and it should be stopped and that I couldn't act like it doesn't matter.
I feel like one of the biggest issues with kpop stans and cultural appropriation is misunderstandings. Both from the people accusing CA, and for people defending it. A lot of times people don’t understand the full story and bash/defend idols blindly :/
Yves’ Apple Fr!!
the way desi's are so looked down upon and when people wanna wear our culture as a fashion statement we're not even acknowledged. It really hurts.
Y'all need to let your idols *OWN* up to their mistakes so they can *GROW* from it. You're not doing anything wrong by helping them understand their mistake.
Edit: typo
The wendy one, i live in London, ive never actually even see anyone do this before. Must be only in canada and or america. However im pretty sure this is only seen in movies. Which these countries get their information on a country from.
And let’s not forget every single one of them who said the n word but y’all ain’t ready for that conversation.
Kpoptrashhh it depends on the person. For example, LE said it, but once she was informed, she apologized and hasn’t said it since. When people do it more than once, the didn’t know any better card gets removed regardless. Some idols haven’t even apologized.
Daytona 08 yea those people like LE or bambam i have respect for but the others like hwasa i don’t stan.
@@108daytona6 rm from bts also covered a song from shinwa a old kpop group where the rap part the rapper said the nigga and that rapper from shinwa never got called out from it and when rm covered that song he got called out and from that day he made an official video saying that he is sincerely sorry for the mistake he made
I agree but i also want to say my opinion ( yes, i know that I'm gonna be attacked by this ).
1. The fact that Korea and its society are very uneducated about these things isn't just an excuse, it is true in many cases and instead of making issues, wouldn't it be better to tell these idols and companies that what they are doing/have done isn't acceptable and why, because saying that 'they need to be held accountable' is true but there comes a point where people are just using this to hate on an idol and negatively impact their career, bringing up things that happened years ago isn't going to help anybody because it happened in the past and we just need to accept that.
2. With things like concept and clothing, you can't pour all of your hate and lecturing out just on to the idols, because most of the time the company is to blame.
3. Responding to 'the Wendy incident', yes, i agree that she shouldn't of did what she did, but it wasn't purely her fault, the major at fault was the person who created the question and hating on Wendy and trying to make her seem like a general 'bad' person will not do anybody any good.
Please remember that more goes on in the background than we realise and that we don't truly know whether an idol is purposefully being racist or whether they are misunderstanding or repeating incorrect information, what you could see as culturally inappropriate could be an artist trying to respect and honour a culture.
Attack me as you wish but please keep in mind that I do not mean to offend anybody; if I have offended anybody I am truly sorry. I do not want to start a fanwar or spread negativity.
Ignorance is not an excuse
For g idle fan have tried to contact them over and over again and we learn that they took lesson to learn about issue like culture appropriation and to don't make the error again.
Ppl makes mistakes. just apologize and educate yourself and don’t repeat the same bs. Is that really that hard????
I don't think things will change given how today is so deep into the idea of protecting and covering for their faves, but have no problem to call out other groups.
I personally think some groups were being racist and some groups were being ignorant there is a difference btw love that your talking about this