Are (G)i-dle problematic? (turn on cc)
Вставка
- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- [Disclaimer: none of the clips in this video are owned by me and all rights go to their respectful owners]
Sorry for my poor editing, I'm a beginner.
contact:
Twitter: @elahi_tasnia
![Lets redesign Marinette!! [this took 3 years to make]](/img/n.gif)
this video is something we NEEDED. so well executed, thank you so much for this! people need to stop spreading misinformation about idle for no reason. i will be spreading this around :)
thanks for promoting the video!
Lovinsoojin❤❤❤❤❤
YESS !!
Yes, its cultural appreciation. Haters misleads people who are fond of GIDLE.
sorry, i miss read ur comment before.....my bad.
This is so good, this targets everything. Idle deserve better than what they get.
Im so proud having you on the same fandom. We should protect G-IDLE and lets just change the way the other people think about G Idle problematics. Youre doing great job❣
Heyy I saw you here again
@@RajRani-cz7uc hey sis❣ glad to see u again
*If a Neverland with a big following sees this, please share it on your account. We need more people to watch this.*
Thank you so much for explaining everything well, (G)I-DLE are not as problematic as everyone thinks, people just like hating on them because they’re successful and a two year group. I’d envy them too.
However you can also stan and support them instead instead of wasting time on being reported and suspended.
The Queendom performance was very problematic, there's no denying of that. Antis don't recognize the fact that Nevies mass emailed Cube about it because it fits their narrative that because we support them, we also get behind all of their actions therefore we are all racist too. I believe that's a very strong word to say and it should be reserved to people who have enough knowledge about a culture but still decide to mock, insult or disrespect it. From what I have seen, an issue only becomes big and gets an apology from idols if 1) Knetz make a big fuss about it on their forums and 2) The idols themselves understand English so they can see the complains of international fans. People said the "colorist" thing was spread by Knetz so that's why it got to Yuqi and she apologized but I also believe it was partly because she can understand English. Soyeon doesn't. I'm not trying to excuse her actions, what she did for that Fire performance WAS offensive and I really wish she apologized. But I think as fans, we have the right to talk about this because the ones that call them "racist" constantly clearly hate them with a passion. I mean, these are the same people who called Soyeon a bully because "she gives off the same vibes as Jimin"... Seriously? We know they don't care about bullying. Or CA. They just use Soyeon as a punching bag just like they do with Hwasa. That makes them horrible persons tbh. What I'm trying to say is, I don't think Koreans cared about the Fire performance being problematic at all. And I doubt Soyeon will find out if they don't talk about it. Talking from my own experience living and being raised in a country where racism is pretty normalized and not having English being our native language, it took time for me to learn what things were offensive to other cultures. I realized I said and did a lot of stuff that was wrong when I was younger but I wouldn't do it now that I know it's disrespectful to others. I think that happens with a lot of idols. It's really upsetting that every day there's something to call out as CA from a Kpop group. I wish their mindset evolved but there's a long way for that to happen so while we work on it, spreading awareness and calling out idols *respectfully* is the key.
I'm sorry about this long paragraph but I wanted to thank you for making this and addressing it in a respectful and educated way. I hope a lot of people can watch this and find out G(I)-DLE aren't the demons Kpop stans make them up to be. Thank you 🥰
THANK YOU!
People literally love to hate on them without even knowing what happened and what not, when it's their fault and when not. It's just one of those sick "trend" on twitter... some weirdos even edited pics/video just to fit this false narrative
so thank you so much for helping clearing the situation❤💜
As an hispanic woman I can tell THERE'S NO CA IN SEÑORITA, they didn’t use tradicional outfits, tradicional instruments, tradicional hairstyles, LITERALLY ANYTHING. My blood boils everytime someone say Señorita is CA, as if they knew more about our culture and traditions than hispanic ourselves. And the Ñ? That’s the most stupid thing that I ever hear. Literally, I think my 7 years old little brother can elaborate a better drag.
LOUDER FOR PEOPLE IN THE BACK
just use this vid to slap haters out there
Can confirm as an ex-hater that it has been used this way. And it WORKS
Our neverland's saver :') It's so tiring to explain whole those things to ignorant people everytime. Thank you so much for this 🙏🏼🙂
Idle members really have the kindest hearts, I can't even think that they would want to harm and make sad someone. If you know them a little, you can clearly understand that it's ignorance. And Neverland always try to solve problems we don't defend problems. Conversely, we mass mailed cube and other award show companies and no one actually helped us and we weren't that big fandom at those times.
Everyone loves to just complain and get attention by throwing hate towards idle. It's so sad, idle doesn't deserve this, Neverland doesn't deserve this.
😔
the henna thing is so stupid! as a north african i was so happy to see idle appreciate our culture and even go on arab interviews and talk about how pretty our culture is...
For me even gidle never did something wrong on queendom, I'm from EU west and here history is a must signature, on Spain we have a lot of accents because of Roma times and we had a lot of "war cries" not inspired by Africa because those times we Roma were trying to expand and Spain that days were composed of many small societies, even from Canary Islands a lot of countries tried to obtain our spot for wars and we had another war cry also Silbo Gomero or La Gomera whistle, as that comment said sadly you can't see that as disrespectful because it isn't and even if it hurts war cry isn't from Native Americans or Africa, there's signs that Europe had this even before that times, the problem is when someone use a costume from a Native and mock them, but use this for a performance when the "war cry", because sometimes isn't a war cry is just a celebration, has a lot of different meanings you can't just say this one should be respected when they're using maybe other one on a correct way. Also Blackpink did the same for Boombayah and there it is people loving the song, the problem nowadays is that you should research that CA doesn't exist in the way you think, even universities debate about this and even Wikipedia that isn't truthfully says that, all of us "stole" the American Family design but oh well that's not CA is just normal for us, don't be stupid CA is when you manipulate something on purpose on a bad way, otherwise isn't a big deal.
Thanks for your input. I learned something new today. I guess the war cry idle used was still African inspired cuz everything else they did came from Africa. A few of my African friends didn't like it because like I mentioned before war cries are used to dehumanize African ppl in foreign media (including Korea, and my country). But now I see why it can't be offensive to some ppl while it can be offensive to others
Agree with you 100% its cultural appreciation...hope people didnt get mislead by haters. Idle fightinggg nevie will support you girls
disclaimer : those who are offended have evry right to be offended but this video is just putting context into how people view idle
the contreversies idle had are many but most of them are twisted to fit into peoples mindset , idle arent as problematc as people view them and that needs to change , (get this vid to 10k so it gets in peoples recommendations) furthermore gidle have constantly been a victim of slandering on twt and instagram with islamaphobic jokes name such as g-isis ethnic hipppers etc.. neverlands had to constantly correct people but most of them dont care about ca but use it to hate on groups , rifah worked very hard on this video along with many neverlands on twitter with extensive research done so i hope youll enjoy it
sinncerely
@shuxsuas on twt
thank you for saying this. ngl, it hurt to see my religion be associated with those things on twitter, and those jokes weren't funny at all :(
Thank you for making this video! very informative! also, thank you for going out of your way to research and ask people about the issue!
😅
Anytime an anti comes for them anywhere im dropping this video link. So well done. As a fellow muslim I'm so proud we have people like you in neverland ❤💜
the fact people are being ignorant over G Idle wearing henna although they weren't the only to apply henna on themselves, like ma'am keep the same energy for everybody else😽
August comeback! expect bops!
THAT'S MY DEFINITION OF CA, TOO! There's just people who'll try hard to drag Idle down, sis just go to your group and cheer for them, you don't have to wait for every moment for attacks.
For context, We were taught about cultural appreciation vs cultural appropriation at school, It was hard to deal with at first bec our country was colonized by a lot of nations for a very long time, and at a very inconvenient time (our country wasn't that civilized when they first came):
Spaniards: 333 years
Americans: 48 years
Japanese: 3 years
We have picked up cultures that are not originally ours, some we have unintentionally appropriated bec we were not fully educated about it and thought as if it was already our own. learning about it in school and on the internet (credible sources) really opened my eyes about CA and what isn't.
Please be educated before you put any appreciation of a culture as an appropriation and disrespect.
I agree
It's funny when other people try and use Ethnic hip as a drag cause they look dumb when they use it.
this is good..thank you for this.
People need to see this and open their minds more.. i mean ofc those who are offended are allowed to be
But its just sad how idle is treated (for example on twitter) antis create unnecessary problems, situations for their own entertainment because they have nothing better to do
and when someone does apologise, like yuqi (tho she didnt have to) people dont care about that and just say stuff like "i dont care that u apologized.. you racist" which just shows that those people really dont care.. but anyways, thank you
This!! It's super ironic to me that they said "at least my faves apologized!" but that literally wouldn't change anything for them? They do it to hate, to get clout from "jokes" at their expenses. It happens with Mamamoo too. They DID apologize but they don't care, they still thrown them
under the bus and (I can understand in our case it's Soyeon cause she was the one with the idea behind the Fire perf) specifically target Hwasa. I'm not a fan but I heard they also apologized multiple times and to the public directly. Does it make a difference? No, it really doesn't. The hate continues and both of them get used as a punching bag. It's too normalized by now.
Imagine saying a word thats normalised to use in your country, just any word. And the next day get completely cancelled by a random country because that word has a different meaning in their language and are implying you meant that meaning even though you didn't. That was probably how soyeon felt she randomly got attacked for a word she thought was fine i feel like this can happen to anybody as there are probably words normalised in my country aswell that aren't in others
Yess and imagine being locked 2r/7 in studio room because cube say so
this is soooo good wtf more people need to see this video 10/10
Rifah I hope you get more coins from this video more than that anti, redvelvetsus
YEEES!
this video isn't monetized lmao. I don't wish to earn money from this either.
Wait--she hate gidle?
@@buttae3691 yes she hates gidle and her ig and Twitter accounts feed is full of negativity and pathetic edits of soyeon,mamamoo.
YESSS. This is what I was searching for. I think the people doesnt know clearly the difference between cultural appropiation and cultural appreciation, and its ok, but what bothers me is the fact that people attack (G)i-dle when they are trykng to be inclusive. I am a neverland and I think that what the group is doing is okay.
Finally ! Someone said it! Gidle doesn't deserve the hate ☹︎
These video deserves a praise y'all.
Everytime I see comments about (g)i-dle being racists, accusing them with cultural appropriation, etc. I ask myself, where? when? how?. Like wth, yes they were ignorant for their Fire performance on queendom, but they didn't do it again. Haters just like to dig some loopholes about culturally related stuffs on them, to accuse it as an inappropriation. Haters just like to throw everything about cultural appropriation on (g)i-dle, because they are using various cultures since debut. Tbh for me, I would be proud and happy for a kpop/ other musicians my culture as a concept unless they would mock or disrespect it. Meanwhile in other kpop groups using gods and religious related stuffs in their songs or mvs but didn't get any hate as blatant as (g)i-dle's, I didn't wish them to get some hate, but it's unfair for (g)i-dle for being always accused by that. People should cut off those stereotypes and be open-minded, let's just appreciate what they are doing, unless it's too obvious for them to be canceled.
Thanks for the video! I covers everything that they get targeted for. I really hope antis just can stop hating on the group. You don't have to like them, but what's the point of your hating? Just spread unnecessary hate.
Finally someone who explains the "ethnic hip". I'm tired of see a lot of comments calling her "miss ethnic hip" or "miss ca" and others offensives nicknames
Nevies, use only this video to haters who keep saying Idle are r/cist. This was explained really well, they can get this.
Yess
Yo Allkpop forums gang, where you at?
here since day 1......and I got banned on AKP today until the 18th lol
😂
Lets promote this video by liking them
The fact that people are still using the CA incident to continue to hate on them, but when it comes to their favs doing wrong they either excuse them and say they learned and grown, Same thing with Idle they educated them self and are still learning and they didn’t mean any wrong. As a Hispanic when “Señorita” came out people where saying they were “Racist” but I didn’t find it racist honestly some haters take small things to make it bigger. Yes “Fire” performance was wrong but I don’t think Soyeon didn’t want to harm anyone
Hello. I've heard some Latinas say they were saying hey senor with an American accent, not pronouncing it correctly and wanted to show their aggressive side which means they don't respect the culture and only saw it as something fashionable.
Can you please clarify this?
@@priyanshasharma3599 I rewatched the music video and when Soojin said “Hey Señor” didn’t sound like English to me, I think she tried to pronounce it well but since Korean is her native of course there will be accent but she said it well for me, I heard non Spanish speakers say it more differently than how she pronounce, and the aggressive thing I think it’s how others take the song for me it doesn’t sound aggressive, it’s more like a love song
This video must have more views!
thank you for this video! stan twt just ignoring our words about this theme, they just wanna HATE. if this theme so important them, why they just joking about this? maybe i will be translated this video on my language, because it's so important. love neverland 💜
Seriously those kind of videos need to go rival and be popular very quickly. Gidle deserves so much better than hate.
Why doesn ppl hate talent groups so much especially the talent groups.
This is pretty good and informative.
"everyday every night" lol
you really put a lot of time and effort into this I see.......great job! You should def. make more of these!
What should I make next 😅? I'm thinking of making something about Soyeon cuz many ppl call her selfish
@@nevietas8332 nah, forget about defending her, make one of hyping her! someone needs to do an update of all her producing and song writing. the old one only went up to uh oh I think ....
@@nevietas8332 u should hype her and same what u said
Thank you very much for taking the time to make this video and for all the information and clarifications on all these misunderstandings that haters take advantage of for that, to hate, meaningless many times and asking for education when they are the ones who need it. For them it is very easy to point and very difficult to learn.
Want to help boost this a bit! Casual viewers and antis need to watch this.
im so proud having a nevie like u
tysm for speak out!!, you deserve more views than that redvelvetsus channel..
LOUDER!!
Basta, porfavor, de tirar hate a (G)I-DLE !! 😤
Gracias.
#Respectgidle #Respectmamamoo
SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT!!
Thabk you for the video
Thank you for this, finally a video about this with actual research about the topic
yess thank you for the video ❤️❤️
Finally someone made it
I really like this video, since you state that some things are indeed problematic but that you see that others were appreciation and others again were just not thought through. You did a great job and this video is so differentiated, really refreshing.
Thank u so much
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS, THIS MADE SO MUCH SENSE.
As a Southeast asian, I never got why people hated on idle for the henna. Foreigners go to my country every January to join Sinulog(a Filipino festival) and get hennas. Hennas could have meaning but it is also used for fashion nowadays. Majority of the people who were offended are not even southeast Asians, like I didn't ask u to speak on my behalf. Also Minnie is southeast Asia too, and y'all are cancelling her and her group. Cancel me then, cus I wore henna too.
Late reply but I low-key put henna on my mexican friends before 😭
HI rifah! Its me , truthhurts! Here to support u! I subscribed!
thank you!
Hope this video can be viral like the haters video !
This is really informative! Thank you so much for making this
omg thank you so much for explaining.
THANK YOU FOR THIS !!! 💖💖💖💖
yuqi did box braids
Thank you for this informative video!
Opinions: Henna is perfectly fine for ANYONE to use, also its kinda cool how they used it. (coming from someone who has experienced it first hand)
link this video if you see anyone spreading hate :)
the ethnic hip thing was problematic becase while yes it’s in the dictionary it’s used exclusively to describe black people or things that are African. And when she made the sounds she wanted yuqi to do she was referring to war calls. The entire thing made me very very uncomfortable. Like when I was living in korea other kids would refer to me as the ethnic boy. So it’s not that complicated. She said what she said tbh
Yeah she said what she Said, but you just implied that saying that is normalized within Korean society.
I agree that they should be held a accountable for what they said but i guess it was from a place of ignorance of (mainly) American societal issues.
Agree.
I feel like things are much more clarified now 😊
The way she is studying while KPOPing I could never
Thanks for this!
thank you so much for this!!
for suggestions on how to improve your future videos, the only thing that I can say is the volume. it's already decent, though it is a bit tricky to understand what you're saying well, even on headphones.
with that said, I think you'd make a great Nevie UA-camr! we're still a young and small community, too
This was my first time editing. I'm a very hard beginner 😅
@@nevietas8332 best of luck to you 🍀
Well explained!
This is such a well done video!
You've done so much research about every single point.
This better get just as many views as r********'s video ❤️✊
lmao. Everyone here just commenting about her.
@@nevietas8332 she's just THAT unlikable
Oh my gosh not HER.
This video is great, good work
Thank u so much!nevie
i didn't know people saw deserts as middle eastern since my country (in Scandinavia) has a desert, Antarctic is a desert
And the bindi comment didn't Oh My Girl do the same. Why did G-idle get in trouble but they didn't?
Oh my girl? They have gotten in a lot of trouble in the past for signing the curry song, and wearing southasian jewelry before. I'm not sure what you're talking about
On Queendom one of the girls wore almost the same thing, the bindi
@@nevietas8332 i am an Indian and bindi is just an jewelry i don't even wear it , i mean anyone can wear it
Hey can you make one on Mamamoo?
People jump and say they appropriated cultures without doing much research...
They have made a few mistakes just like g-idle. But again, research is required
Hello! I know mamamoo has made mistakes before but stan twt makes them out to be the spawn of stan. But u might wanna ask a Moomoo youtuber for this since I'm not very updated about Mamamoo
💜💜💜💜
Thank you for this
I am a nevie and yes that was a bindi, since it was a homage to the orignal 2ne1 theme, watch the video but I don't see any problem with it I mean what about white girls in coachella
you changed ur name !
Long story 😭
9:06 it has nothing, many idols controversies are from TV shows. Or didn't you ever saw RM's black english from 2015? That's a bullish.
It's usually done with the permission of the show and Rm never directly apologized for that incident but instead he said "I was immature and I have hurt many ppl in the past....." on a vlive
I have question actually, can u explain the Minnie in the van thing? Alot if people were offended by it and I don't know why? Also the dance in Dumdi Dumdi in the chorus was said to be offensive too? But Idk why so if u can, can u pls explain it?
@Mist Minnie oh, I'm only seeing this now but thank you 😁
And if they are learning about other people, they are failing because in Oh My God they used christianity as aesthetic to a lesbic song, what excuse will them make up now? Will you tell me that isn't insulting? Not offensive? That is. I'm pissed off many k-poppers pick and choose who to call out for bullish, but not for real issues.
Oh my god songs meaning was for self confidence. Soyeon said so herself and ths video explains it quite well. Idk what you're on ua-cam.com/video/icUfcn2sTXU/v-deo.html
Thank u!!
The way she is studying while KPOPing I could never
Thanks for the video!