So basically: 1) Jesus was born. 2) He was an end times nut job (maybe).3) He died (probably by crucifixion). There's not a helluva lotta difference between what can be known and the mythicist position.
worse than that. 1. jesus maybe was born. we don't know where or when. 2. we have no idea what he may have done or said during his lifetime. 3. if he was born, he died at one point. we have no clue as to manner, date or place.
@@suronlatta1109 was there a yeshua in israel around that time? probably many. did the person who did and said all the things attributed to the literary character in the bible exist? certainly not.
I have done extensive study on the historical Jesus. Here are my findings. It is now ready for peer review. Head, shoulder, knees and toes, Eyes, ears, mouth and nose. He undoubtedly had all the above. That's it folks for the historical J. Now for the heretical mythical view...........take your pick.
Dan McClellan attended Trinity Western, which according to their web site: "Founded in 1962, Trinity Western University is dedicated to equipping students to discover meaningful connections between career, life, and the needs of the world. Drawing upon the riches of the Christian tradition, we are committed to uniting faith and reason through excellence in teaching, research, and scholarship." On the other hand, if what he claims we DO know about Jesus is so miniscule, it really says something.
The thing with automatically considering John the latest Gospel is that John is the one that deals with Logos theology. We know Logos theology is older than the Jesus story, coming from Philo around 1 CE or earlier. Adding in that Dr. Dan says John is layered and heavily edited, I could see John arrising from Philo's school of thought, and was edited later to be made explicitly Christian. The synoptic Gospels are created to place the Logos on Earth, and imagines what that would be like.
A handfull of sources that predates the gospels from which the writers draw from? Not a shred of evidence for those hypothetical sources. They writers could have made it up or used sources that talks about some or various preachers. If there is a Q source then there is no proof that it goes back to Jesus.
McClellan keeps referring to Bart Ehrman's book (Did Jesus exist) to support Jesus' historicity... but this book is a pop market (not peer-reviewed) book. I am a scholar, in different field, and I don't read/cite/write non-peer-reviewed literature
What? Books generally don't get peer reviewed like scholarly journal articles and essays. That doesn't mean they can't be used as reference and can't be used to support an argument. One would think another "scholar" would know that. What a ridiculous and silly statement
yep an apologetic concoction to explain how the dude was born in the wrong bloody town: he was from Nazareth, which is utterly meaningless in Scripture. So its very awkward but they HAD to fit the guy in Bethlehem. This is a powerful argument for historicity.
When people read Phillipians 2:9-10 carefully they MIGHT figure out who the true original "anointed one" really was. There are many other hints and obvious clues thruout the NT.
1:02:25 : "Rome innovated what we today understand as crucifixion". If anyone is interested in this question, read Gunnar Sammuelson's excellent monograph Crucifixion in Antiquity: An Inquiry into the Background and Significance of the New Testament Terminology of Crucifixion. The words used by the New Testament do not refer to a uniquely Roman device or Roman form of execution (though obviously the gospels, rightly or wrongly, do say it was the Romans who killed Jesus). But the way we today understand the word "crucifixion" in that time period is entirely dependent and biased on the Jesus event itself, and so risks becoming anachronistic. Excellent book. His conclusion is basically all we can say for sure is it means Jesus was "suspended on a suspension device"
@@Anti-DesertDwellerBrigade This is such a sh*tty hill to die on. Why are anti-theists so obsessed about making Jesus fake? It screams bias from the very get go, you hate the religion so much that you HAVE to choose the most humiliating position of all for your opponents, that theyre believing in the fundamental reality of a guy who didnt even exist, who was not even based on a real person. It's baffling to me, how you cannot observe the evidence and say "yes this dude probably existed. maybe he didnt, but theres no good reason to assume he didnt". Youre not conceding anything to Christian apologetics there!!
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The Christian Trinity which is barely Biblical should be understood to symbolize the union of the Flavians and the Alexanders and the Pisos. The three Roman dynasties which created the parental deity religion now known as Christianity. Ever notice how the narrator of the writings attributed to Saul/Paul and those of Josephus have a psychological similarity? They both started out on one side and then converted to the other. They are both literary conversion personas. Epistolary Fiction was extremely popular in the ancient Greco-Roman world. As was Midrash in the ancient Jewish world. And Emperor Vespasian was a big believer in propaganda. If the Flavians were capable of creating something like the Roman Coliseum. Just think what they might be capable of had they wanted to create a new parental deity religion? Which the ancient world had been doing for quite a long time. When the Greeks conquered Kemet which they called Egypt. They created a hybrid parental deity in order to combine Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. So they combined the Egyptian God Thoth with the Greek God Hermes. They called him Hermes Trismegistus III. Which means… “The Thrice Great.” He was famous for triumphing over the season of death. Which is what the number 3 almost always symbolizes in World Mythology. Isn't this what the Flavian Dynasty did after conquering the Jews? Didn't they create a new hybrid form of Greco-Roman Judaism? To integrate Jewish mythology with Greco-Roman mythology? Calling him… “Jesus The Christ.” Who is also famous for triumphing over the season of death. As represented by… “The Trinity.” Again the sacred number 3. Isn't this a better explanation for the origins of Christianity rather than Harry Houdini magic? Wasn't Paul secretly working for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original Roman Catholic Saints' members of the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original symbols used by the earliest Christians identical to those of the Flavian Dynasty? And wasn't the earliest iconographic image of Jesus The Christ, in a catacomb, under the city of Rome, which was owned by a Flavian Princess? Weren't all of the original Jesus cult texts produced under the oversight of the Flavian Dynasty? Didn't the Flavian Dynasty posses the only remaining copy of the Hebrew Tanakh other than the Greek Septuagint translation? Isn't there Flavian typology in the Gospels? Weren't the canonical texts all back dated like the historical fiction of Gone With The Wind? Which was written in the 193O's but back-dated to the 185O's and 186O's. Wasn't Emperor Vespasian known as the Jewish Messiah? Wasn’t Pope Clement of Rome a Flavian? Wasn't Josephus a temple whore for the Flavian Dynasty? Just like Tacitus. Weren't the Flavian’s, as well as Paul, descended from King Herod? There was no separation of Church and State in the Roman Empire. And Christianity is clearly a Greco-Roman hybrid form of Judaism created by the Flavian Dynasty. As an attempt to adapt, pacify, and integrate the rebellious and defiant Jews into the rest of the Greco-Roman Empire. Just like the Greeks created Hermes Trismegistus III to integrate Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. Then finally Neo-Flavian Constantine began the process to make the Flavian family religion to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire. In order to consolidate power in his fractured Empire. As well as to generate revenue for his depleted treasury. And then Eusebius edited and rewrote the history of the previous 3OO years. Destroying all contradictory evidence. Such as all of the non-canonical Jesus cult texts. It isn't history it is all simply Greco-Roman mythopoetic literature. Today it is known as Historical Fiction. “What profit hath not this fable of Christ brought us.” Pope Leo X 💙
And it's pretty easy to get to what we have if Jesus was mythical. Him being real doesn't make "infinitely more sense." I would like to talk to Dan one day. Because some of his statements are absolutely ridiculous. Every god to ever exist was made up out of thin air by someone. But if someone says Jesus was, all of a sudden "humans don't do that" 🙄
29:07 I thought we were the popular front?! splitters
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So was there a real Winnie The Poo? We have the original English text. And a lot of other writers wrote about Winnie The Poo. Therefore he must have been a historically factual person. Even today the original text is hugely popular. Even many children today believe in Winnie The Poo. Given the abundance of textual evidence. How could Winnie The Poo not have been based on a factual historical being?💙
This was very interesting. Your channel is like a Hercule Poirot of biblical history. Christianity was developed by going backwards while going forwards, so why do all the biblical scholars look at the historical Jesus going forward while going forward,? if you get what I mean. Jesus was a Hebrew nationalist, and what became Christianity didn’t start to move until the Jewish War. So why not change the point of view, and start with the Jewish War, and work backwards to find how the Jesus identity was constructed? Why did the Jewish War coincide with the beginning of Christianity, and why did the Christianity timeline need to be set back about 40 years in time? These are the real questions to me. Also, where did the idea of someone dying to save everyone, where did this come from? This is no sort of genuine religious precept, and it defies and negates humanity. It does not coincide with anything else religious. Bart Ehrman is extremely knowledgeable, but he is not really a big picture person. And really, I think by now he is flying his plane in his own tailwind …
"Going backwards while going forwards" is such a good way to put it, at least as far as I'm understanding you. Messianic Jews were using old scripture to create new traditions, and this inevitably resulted in a Jesus figure. After the destruction of the temple, enterprising peoples used the sayings of the Lord they pulled from messianic Scriptures (Daniel, Isaiah, Enoch, etc) to place their Lord in history, predating and predicting the coming destruction. The author of Luke likely even used Josephus for verisimilitude.
There are numerous myths about Gods who died to save the world. But the myth about Jesus has nothing to do with "saving everyone". The myth about Jesus death only brings salvation to Christians according to the Bible...
@@varus5596 search the 70 year argument, after the destruction of temple Jews unable to complete sacrifice in the temple started searching scripture for their logos that must have been born 70 yrs prior who made the ultimate sacrifice to forgive Jews for their sins, why Jesus trial story is an allegory of Yom Kippur
Because he was a f*cking Galilean peasant, how hard is this to get? Bar Kochba led a rebellion in the 2nd century and caused the most brutal war of Rome in all of their history (against enemies) probably, and all we have is a few coins (was a political leader for a couple of years), one or two letters and a few mentions in rabbinic literature!!
Was Jesus actually from Nazareth? Do we have any proof of it besides Gospels? I thought that the first archive mention of a city of Nazareth dates back to 3rd century CE.
Jesus historicity is required to suport Christianity. Which is a trillion dollar industry. Also Jews want to show that the grratest "person" in history was a Jew.
Actually it isn’t. Many Buddhists don’t believe there was a historical Buddha, and it doesn’t matter because there doesn’t have to be. The Buddha is just a story, a conduit for teaching a way of looking at the world that some people find helpful and some people don’t. It’s this idea that you must believe in Jesus or burn in Hell that makes Christianity so toxic. A healthy dose of mythicism - understanding the truth behind stories that are not, strictly speaking, true, might just save it from itself.
@@louiscyfer6944 Oh, Buddhism has deities, and you can even believe in them, if you find it useful to do so, but their existence or otherwise, like the existence of the Buddha, is not really relevant to the core teachings of Buddhism. And presumably the people who wrote the gospels felt the same way. They presumably knew that what they were writing was fiction. And they were presumably Christian. Which means the original Christians did not care that their stories were ahistorical. They believed they were communicating truths that transcend mere historicity. And those original Christians are proof that Christianity does not need a historical Jesus to survive.
More sh** conspiracy theories... so atheist and other scholars care about the Christian industry... Jews really LOVE mentioning Jesus (tell me you never spoke to a religious Jew!) and btw totally ignore scholarship on Moses, Abraham and a bunch of others that have consensus as NOT having existed (David too until 1993 with the discovery of the Tel Dan stele. And still David is considered in ultra-minimalist lens by many scholars like Finkelstein and Silberman). Yep definitely only on Jesus there's a conspiracy to prove he existed. Grow up.
More sh** conspiracy theories... so atheist and other scholars care about the Christian industry... Jews really LOVE mentioning Jesus (tell me you never spoke to a religious Jew!) and btw totally ignore scholarship on Moses, Abraham and a bunch of others that have consensus as NOT having existed (David too until 1993 with the discovery of the Tel Dan stele. And still David is considered in ultra-minimalist lens by many scholars like Finkelstein and Silberman). Yep definitely only on Jesus there's a conspiracy to prove he existed. Grow up.
100% agree. There were certainly apocalyptic sects like the Qumran community around at the time of Jesus, but a close read of the canonical gospels and gospel of Thomas paint a very different picture of Jesus' eschatology. "Here and now kingdom"...exactly!
*Jesus is clearly speaking to the disciples and gives a timeframe for when the Son of Man would come.* *"Jesus sent these twelve out,* charging them, saying: Do not go into the way of the nations, and do not go into a Samaritan city. *But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.* And going on, proclaim, saying, The kingdom of Heaven has drawn near" (Matthew 10:5-7) “Truly I say to you, ***you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes”*** (Matthew 10:23); For the *Son of man* shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; ***and then he shall reward every man according to his works.*** Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here will not taste death*** before they see the *Son of Man* coming in his kingdom (Matthew 16:27-28) Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here*** will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God (Luke 9:27) Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Mark 13:30) *He says that the coming of the Son of Man will be accompanied by:* The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. Then will appear the sign of the *Son of Man* in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the *Son of Man* coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Matthew 24:29-34) There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the *Son of Man* coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Luke 21:25-32) He also falsely prophesied to the high priest, the Sanhedrin and Nathaniel. *Jesus falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin* Jesus also falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin (assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one rabbis appointed to sit as a tribunal) You will see the *Son of Man* sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and ***coming on the clouds of heaven*** (Matthew 26:64) (Mark 14:62) Except the high priest and the Sanhedrin never saw Jesus sitting at the right hand side of God, or coming on the clouds of heaven, or any such thing. *Jesus falsely prophesied to Nathaniel* Jesus also falsely prophesied to Nathaniel when he declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.” Jesus said, You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that. He then added, ***“Very truly I tell you, you will see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man*** (John 1:50-51) *Nathaniel never saw any such thing. Neither did anyone else.* ------------------------------------------------------------------ Also look up: Watch *Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Historical Lecture - Bart D. Ehrman* *"End Times - Evil Bible .com"* *"The End of All Things is At Hand - The Church Of Truth"* *"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"* *"Jesus the Apocalyptic Prophet - History for Atheists"* (Tim O'Neill is a former Christian and is familiar with most of the Biblical scholarship. He's been studying the scholarship and history for decades) *"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return - Black Nonbelievers, Inc."*
The historicists are basically just like Paul. "We don't know any of the details, but Jesus must have come and we just missed it. We must assume this because of the scriptures we do have."
2:00 "he was not known until after his death" He was not a religion founder. He was the object of worship of a religion. THAT, my friends, is the whole point. Can you point out another historical man who was the object of worship and not a group leader? A religion starter reveals God nessage to his followers. But all that the apostle Paul says is that God revealed Jesus to mankind through the scriptures.
Can I point out a historical man who was an object of worship but not a group leader? Well, there's Haile Selassie, former Emperor of Ethiopia who Rastafarians picked as a prophet and/or messiah figure despite Selassie denying such claims himself. So, while Selassie was the leader of a nation, he had zero interest in leading the religious group that formed around him.
McClellan is saying there's only weird stuff that MUST be explained if he didn't exist. With that viewpoint he's acting like there's nothing weird left unexplained if we're supposing Jesus was a real person. It's goofy. Y'all have plenty to explain yourselves - things that don't make any sense at all if he were real. So thats a silly argument against mythicism.
If all we can know about the historical Jesus was he was crucified by the romans, why do the jews say he was stoned and hung on a tree in the talmud and toldoth yeshu? Jacob thinks 1 Thessalonians 'jews killed Jesus' is not an interpolation and proof Paul spoke of a historical Jesus. Jesus never existed. Obviously just started as a pre-existent angel.
Besides the historical Jesus - the best contribution from the Mythicists is the similarities between christianity and the other myths and religions from the Mediterranean sea from the same period.
And the best contribution by people like Chrissy Hanssen and Kamli Gregor is showing that almost no mythical heroes with the characteristics of Jesus (and a bunch of others - Raglan heroes) were invented out of thin air after the 10th century BCE, or better, they were not put in narratives LATER than the 10th century BCE, the only exception is probably Romulus (dozens of counterexamples of mythologized guys that WERE in fact real)
Ah, yes, the criterion of embarrassment, and right at the start. Which could be used to authenticate almost ALL great works of fiction, too. I agree that Jesus would more likely have been crucified for causing a ruckus in the Temple, yet the gospel accounts do not mention that as being discussed in his trials, nor do we hear of any witnesses there to testify he did this. If he was tried that Thursday night (the accounts of his trials are all contrary to both Jewish and Roman law), how would they show it was the same guy who disrupted the Temple days earlier? Did they have his fingerprints, his photo? Part of the problem here is that there were Temple guards with orders to kill on the spot if need be, stationed in the Temple grounds, so the wait of several days makes no sense. On the other hand, the Passover lamb is supposedly chosen on the 10th day (of a lunar month), prepared on the 14th, slaughtered on the 15th. If the gospel accounts are trying to make Jesus the Passover lamb, this explains this weird timetable. (And would imply that any details we might hope to gleam from the gospels would be really sus.)
Paul saw a ghost 👻 and had visions. He also had psychological issues. Was he on Blue Lotus during his writing\dictation? He may have met James and Simon. Isho\Yeshua was only human, no walking on water, no water to wine, no raising the dead, no conjuring ip the dead, no dying for sins, etc etc Just another mentally challenged individuals.
Why have u made the "did jesus survive the crucifixion? Jacob Berman vs David Mirsch" debate private? David did a great job and clearly one the debate. The sore looser isn't a good look on this channels open opinion sharing Jacob...
"Our earliest traditions may just go back to something someone recalled, whether historical or not, five years after Jesus's death". Is there a way to substantiate this assertion, or is Dan just waving the magic wand of doubt and displaying a chronological bias against the ancients?
@ the historicist claim that Cephas is Jesus bestest friend is completely false, 1. Paul only mention Apostles (messengers of god) not disciples (student of a teacher) 2. Paul also states that he learnt nothing from any human only divinity 3. Paul states that Jesus only appeared to these people after death, as a vision, never as a historical figure or give historical speeches etc 4. Cephas is just another mythicist Paul a Hellenistic Jew who believed Jesus was the logos as described from 300bce
Paul is not the earliest writing about Jesus and Joh the Baptist. , The Roman intelligence services of the 19th Legion were writing about John the Baptist and Jesus while both were still alive , before and after Jesus took command of John the Baptist’s poltical movement the tri, The base line for the Roman writing in reagards to the Gospel of Mark is Mark 15:1 - 16:8, The aboslute first mention of Jesus in offical dispatches comes from Pilate with his euangelion to Tiberius cited by Tertullian in book V of his Apology, The “tidings of Joy” to Tiberius is not the Resurrection, per se, but the unilateral covenant cutting ceremony that iinitianted by the spliting of Jesus witness by John Mark in John 19 34 - 35 and the ratification by the Talking Cross in the Gospel of Peter, which ovsioulsy derived from Pilate’s signal traffic to Rome, The fact that the Jewish god formed a covenant with the Roman stoic servant leaders of the Praetorian Guuard, the centurions, was exactly the sort of divine endorsement Tiberious sought and the Roman Senate denied him because of the execution of Sejanus, The fact that this scenario doesn’t fit Bart “Giggle’s Ehrman’s time travel fantasy that proposes the Gosple of Mark is derivative of Pauline Theology is the fatal flaw iThn all thingss Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, I don’t care if you clowns are in an academic pissing contest with Pri-Life Calvinist apolgotics: i am offended by your supordination of literatre to history, and the desicreation that represents. You guys are the junk food, nutition free genre in the tradition of written communication, This is exactly the academic mal practice that has produced several generations of educaional dificiency that has elevated the H-IB visa to a premium status among Project 2025 Fortune 500 employers like Elon Musk and Ramennoodle. The Gosplel of Mark is a Roman intelligence report, not a Greko=Roman biography, It is more like the sort of profiling featured in "Criminal Minds” than The Latin authograph of the Gosple of Mark was composed and sent up his chain of command to Theophilu by Cornelius immediately after his interview with Peter that was arranbed by the Holy Spirit. As an Equistrain, Theophilus was in the exective strata of the Praetorian Guard in a rore more or less identical to George Smiley’s rome in John LeCarre’s MI6. The Gospel of Mark represent the vanguard of data assempble by Theolphilus in his analysis and finding summarized in the Roman Christian manifesto of Hebrews, which, significantly, is the 19th book fo the New covenant, The 7 authentic Pauline epistles is a numerological signal that answers the question in Daniel 7:19: the furth beast is the Roman Empire, with the iron jaws of the Legions and the iron teeth of the centurions, which is a game changing military and sociolgocial game changer. The connection between Romulus and the Ture Warfare of Clausewitz is Cornelius, and Cornelius represents the subjec to the New Vovenant of the Tlaking Cross.
"educaional [sic] dificiency [sic]" Projection much? "H-IB visa" Gotta love somebody who doesn't even know the name of what they're mad about. It's H-1B with a number, not "H-IB"
@onlylettersand0to9 You are missing the point, After the occupation of Columbian University in May 1968, the campus radicals across the American university system rejected Hegel because of his connection to Clausewitz and the Post Modern Literary Criticism of the Liberal Arts convention and adopted the Marxist template of Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, A consequence is an intellectual glass ceiling imposed on the entire American education system that has handicapped the American work force with a cognitive bias that has accrued to the admantage of workers with classic educaitions that are not limited by the materialism relfected in the theological distortions of Dan McClellan, Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Jimmy Tabor and the whole Jesus Seminar apostasy agenda aligned against the Pro-Life Ccalvinism of Christian Nationalism, Elon Musk just fired 6000 Tesla employees because he needs the cash he can acquire by rainding his payroll to cover the blunder he made with Twittler, His interest in these visa's purely the 19th Century Plantation economics of the Harvard MBA program, Dano McClellan's "Cognitive lignusitics" is a froce multiplier for Elon Musk's work force agenda.
@@onlylettersand0to9 @onlylettersand0to9 replied to Tom Wilson's comment, to wit" "educaional [sic] dificiency [sic]" Projection much? "H-IB visa" Gotta love somebody who doesn't even know the name of what they're mad about. It's H-1B with a number, not "H-IB" Tom Wilson replied: @onlylettersand0to9 You are missing the point, After the occupation of Columbian University in May 1968, the campus radicals across the American university system rejected Hegel because of his connection to Clausewitz and the Post Modern Literary Criticism of the Liberal Arts convention and adopted the Marxist template of Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, A consequence is an intellectual glass ceiling imposed on the entire American education system that has handicapped the American work force with a cognitive bias that has accrued to the admantage of workers with classic educaitions that are not limited by the materialism relfected in the theological distortions of Dan McClellan, Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Jimmy Tabor and the whole Jesus Seminar apostasy agenda aligned against the Pro-Life Ccalvinism of Christian Nationalism, Elon Musk just fired 6000 Tesla employees because he needs the cash he can acquire by rainding his payroll to cover the blunder he made with Twittler, His interest in these visa's purely the 19th Century Plantation economics of the Harvard MBA program, Dano McClellan's "Cognitive lignusitics" is a froce multiplier for Elon Musk's work force agenda. @onlylettersand0to9 replied to Tom Wilson's comment, to wit" "educaional [sic] dificiency [sic]" Projection much? "H-IB visa" Gotta love somebody who doesn't even know the name of what they're mad about. It's H-1B with a number, not "H-IB" Tom Wilson replied: @onlylettersand0to9 You are missing the point, After the occupation of Columbian University in May 1968, the campus radicals across the American university system rejected Hegel because of his connection to Clausewitz and the Post Modern Literary Criticism of the Liberal Arts convention and adopted the Marxist template of Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, A consequence is an intellectual glass ceiling imposed on the entire American education system that has handicapped the American work force with a cognitive bias that has accrued to the admantage of workers with classic educaitions that are not limited by the materialism relfected in the theological distortions of Dan McClellan, Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Jimmy Tabor and the whole Jesus Seminar apostasy agenda aligned against the Pro-Life Ccalvinism of Christian Nationalism, Elon Musk just fired 6000 Tesla employees because he needs the cash he can acquire by rainding his payroll to cover the blunder he made with Twittler, His interest in these visa's purely the 19th Century Plantation economics of the Harvard MBA program, Dano McClellan's "Cognitive lignusitics" is a froce multiplier for Elon Musk's work force agenda.
@@Thomasw540 I don't think you can quite grasp the humor of seeing somebody trying to defend "classic educaitions" [sic] Not sure if you're trolling or if you just can't figure out spellcheck.
@onlylettersand0to9 My spellcheck doesn't work and I'm not quite blind. If you Find it difficult to follow my posts, you may be a Poster Child for exactly the crippling effects of Post Modern Historic Deconstrucition I am describing Or you could just be an asshole who has not interest in anything but cheap shots form the peanut gallery, The net effect is the same,
Among the best, if not the best, presentations I've seen by host and guest. Thank you.
So basically: 1) Jesus was born. 2) He was an end times nut job (maybe).3) He died (probably by crucifixion). There's not a helluva lotta difference between what can be known and the mythicist position.
A moron can't see a difference for sure; what cares if a moron (you) don't exist even?
There is zero proof, he admits that. Also his dates are screwed up as the earliest for Paul is 90AD. There is nothing earlier than that.
worse than that. 1. jesus maybe was born. we don't know where or when. 2. we have no idea what he may have done or said during his lifetime. 3. if he was born, he died at one point. we have no clue as to manner, date or place.
@louiscyfer6944 right it's alot might maybe could have and don't know but it is big money saying he was a historical person. To me
@@suronlatta1109 was there a yeshua in israel around that time? probably many. did the person who did and said all the things attributed to the literary character in the bible exist? certainly not.
I have done extensive study on the historical Jesus. Here are my findings. It is now ready for peer review.
Head, shoulder, knees and toes,
Eyes, ears, mouth and nose.
He undoubtedly had all the above. That's it folks for the historical J.
Now for the heretical mythical view...........take your pick.
“He had arms…..and legs……and hands……and feet. This man…..whose name was BRIAN!” - Monty Python
@@lexicornfell7361he was a very naughty boy
thank you guys. Enjoyed the show. Blessings 🙏 to all
Dan McClellan attended Trinity Western, which according to their web site: "Founded in 1962, Trinity Western University is dedicated to equipping students to discover meaningful connections between career, life, and the needs of the world. Drawing upon the riches of the Christian tradition, we are committed to uniting faith and reason through excellence in teaching, research, and scholarship."
On the other hand, if what he claims we DO know about Jesus is so miniscule, it really says something.
What are you trying to imply there? McClellan is a critical scholar, everyone who sees his videos knows about that, he's not an apologist.
The thing with automatically considering John the latest Gospel is that John is the one that deals with Logos theology. We know Logos theology is older than the Jesus story, coming from Philo around 1 CE or earlier.
Adding in that Dr. Dan says John is layered and heavily edited, I could see John arrising from Philo's school of thought, and was edited later to be made explicitly Christian. The synoptic Gospels are created to place the Logos on Earth, and imagines what that would be like.
Fascinating thank you
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A handfull of sources that predates the gospels from which the writers draw from?
Not a shred of evidence for those hypothetical sources.
They writers could have made it up or used sources that talks about some or various preachers.
If there is a Q source then there is no proof that it goes back to Jesus.
Excellent Life of Brian reference 👏
McClellan keeps referring to Bart Ehrman's book (Did Jesus exist) to support Jesus' historicity... but this book is a pop market (not peer-reviewed) book. I am a scholar, in different field, and I don't read/cite/write non-peer-reviewed literature
What? Books generally don't get peer reviewed like scholarly journal articles and essays. That doesn't mean they can't be used as reference and can't be used to support an argument. One would think another "scholar" would know that. What a ridiculous and silly statement
If so the baby in the manger must be fiction.
yep an apologetic concoction to explain how the dude was born in the wrong bloody town: he was from Nazareth, which is utterly meaningless in Scripture. So its very awkward but they HAD to fit the guy in Bethlehem. This is a powerful argument for historicity.
When people read Phillipians 2:9-10 carefully they MIGHT figure out who the true original "anointed one" really was. There are many other hints and obvious clues thruout the NT.
1:02:25 : "Rome innovated what we today understand as crucifixion". If anyone is interested in this question, read Gunnar Sammuelson's excellent monograph Crucifixion in Antiquity: An Inquiry into the Background and Significance of the New Testament Terminology of Crucifixion. The words used by the New Testament do not refer to a uniquely Roman device or Roman form of execution (though obviously the gospels, rightly or wrongly, do say it was the Romans who killed Jesus). But the way we today understand the word "crucifixion" in that time period is entirely dependent and biased on the Jesus event itself, and so risks becoming anachronistic. Excellent book. His conclusion is basically all we can say for sure is it means Jesus was "suspended on a suspension device"
Nothing.
Did you even listen?
@@ta15479 I've listened to Dr. McClellan many times.
@@Anti-DesertDwellerBrigade So how did you come to the wrong conclusion?
@@ta15479 My conclusion is the correct conclusion.
@@Anti-DesertDwellerBrigade This is such a sh*tty hill to die on. Why are anti-theists so obsessed about making Jesus fake? It screams bias from the very get go, you hate the religion so much that you HAVE to choose the most humiliating position of all for your opponents, that theyre believing in the fundamental reality of a guy who didnt even exist, who was not even based on a real person. It's baffling to me, how you cannot observe the evidence and say "yes this dude probably existed. maybe he didnt, but theres no good reason to assume he didnt". Youre not conceding anything to Christian apologetics there!!
The Christian Trinity which is barely Biblical should be understood to symbolize the union of the Flavians and the Alexanders and the Pisos.
The three Roman dynasties which created the parental deity religion now known as Christianity.
Ever notice how the narrator of the writings attributed to Saul/Paul and those of Josephus have a psychological similarity? They both started out on one side and then converted to the other. They are both literary conversion personas.
Epistolary Fiction was extremely popular in the ancient Greco-Roman world. As was Midrash in the ancient Jewish world. And Emperor Vespasian was a big believer in propaganda. If the Flavians were capable of creating something like the Roman Coliseum. Just think what they might be capable of had they wanted to create a new parental deity religion? Which the ancient world had been doing for quite a long time.
When the Greeks conquered Kemet which they called Egypt. They created a hybrid parental deity in order to combine Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology. So they combined the Egyptian God Thoth with the Greek God Hermes.
They called him Hermes Trismegistus III. Which means… “The Thrice Great.” He was famous for triumphing over the season of death. Which is what the number 3 almost always symbolizes in World Mythology.
Isn't this what the Flavian Dynasty did after conquering the Jews? Didn't they create a new hybrid form of Greco-Roman Judaism? To integrate Jewish mythology with Greco-Roman mythology?
Calling him… “Jesus The Christ.” Who is also famous for triumphing over the season of death. As represented by… “The Trinity.” Again the sacred number 3. Isn't this a better explanation for the origins of Christianity rather than Harry Houdini magic?
Wasn't Paul secretly working for the Flavian Dynasty?
Weren't all of the original Roman Catholic Saints' members of the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original symbols used by the earliest Christians identical to those of the Flavian Dynasty? And wasn't the earliest iconographic image of Jesus The Christ, in a catacomb, under the city of Rome, which was owned by a Flavian Princess?
Weren't all of the original Jesus cult texts produced under the oversight of the Flavian Dynasty? Didn't the Flavian Dynasty posses the only remaining copy of the Hebrew Tanakh other than the Greek Septuagint translation? Isn't there Flavian typology in the Gospels?
Weren't the canonical texts all back dated like the historical fiction of Gone With The Wind? Which was written in the 193O's but back-dated to the 185O's and 186O's. Wasn't Emperor Vespasian known as the Jewish Messiah? Wasn’t Pope Clement of Rome a Flavian? Wasn't Josephus a temple whore for the Flavian Dynasty? Just like Tacitus. Weren't the Flavian’s, as well as Paul, descended from King Herod?
There was no separation of Church and State in the Roman Empire. And Christianity is clearly a Greco-Roman hybrid form of Judaism created by the Flavian Dynasty. As an attempt to adapt, pacify, and integrate the rebellious and defiant Jews into the rest of the Greco-Roman Empire. Just like the Greeks created Hermes Trismegistus III to integrate Egyptian mythology with Greek mythology.
Then finally Neo-Flavian Constantine began the process to make the Flavian family religion to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire. In order to consolidate power in his fractured Empire. As well as to generate revenue for his depleted treasury. And then Eusebius edited and rewrote the history of the previous 3OO years. Destroying all contradictory evidence. Such as all of the non-canonical Jesus cult texts. It isn't history it is all simply Greco-Roman mythopoetic literature. Today it is known as Historical Fiction.
“What profit hath not this fable of Christ brought us.”
Pope Leo X 💙
And it's pretty easy to get to what we have if Jesus was mythical. Him being real doesn't make "infinitely more sense." I would like to talk to Dan one day. Because some of his statements are absolutely ridiculous. Every god to ever exist was made up out of thin air by someone. But if someone says Jesus was, all of a sudden "humans don't do that" 🙄
29:07 I thought we were the popular front?! splitters
So was there a real Winnie The Poo? We have the original English text. And a lot of other writers wrote about Winnie The Poo. Therefore he must have been a historically factual person. Even today the original text is hugely popular. Even many children today believe in Winnie The Poo. Given the abundance of textual evidence. How could Winnie The Poo not have been based on a factual historical being?💙
This was very interesting. Your channel is like a Hercule Poirot of biblical history.
Christianity was developed by going backwards while going forwards, so why do all the biblical scholars look at the historical Jesus going forward while going forward,? if you get what I mean.
Jesus was a Hebrew nationalist, and what became Christianity didn’t start to move until the Jewish War. So why not change the point of view, and start with the Jewish War, and work backwards to find how the Jesus identity was constructed? Why did the Jewish War coincide with the beginning of Christianity, and why did the Christianity timeline need to be set back about 40 years in time? These are the real questions to me.
Also, where did the idea of someone dying to save everyone, where did this come from? This is no sort of genuine religious precept, and it defies and negates humanity. It does not coincide with anything else religious.
Bart Ehrman is extremely knowledgeable, but he is not really a big picture person. And really, I think by now he is flying his plane in his own tailwind …
"Going backwards while going forwards" is such a good way to put it, at least as far as I'm understanding you. Messianic Jews were using old scripture to create new traditions, and this inevitably resulted in a Jesus figure. After the destruction of the temple, enterprising peoples used the sayings of the Lord they pulled from messianic Scriptures (Daniel, Isaiah, Enoch, etc) to place their Lord in history, predating and predicting the coming destruction. The author of Luke likely even used Josephus for verisimilitude.
40 years was the time predicted between messianic incarnations
There are numerous myths about Gods who died to save the world. But the myth about Jesus has nothing to do with "saving everyone". The myth about Jesus death only brings salvation to Christians according to the Bible...
@@varus5596 search the 70 year argument, after the destruction of temple Jews unable to complete sacrifice in the temple started searching scripture for their logos that must have been born 70 yrs prior who made the ultimate sacrifice to forgive Jews for their sins, why Jesus trial story is an allegory of Yom Kippur
Why is there no Roman records or archeological records of him. No first century philosophers mention him.
Absence is not proof.
Any smal cult leader would have been mistreated, discarted the same way.
Because he was a f*cking Galilean peasant, how hard is this to get? Bar Kochba led a rebellion in the 2nd century and caused the most brutal war of Rome in all of their history (against enemies) probably, and all we have is a few coins (was a political leader for a couple of years), one or two letters and a few mentions in rabbinic literature!!
Was Jesus actually from Nazareth? Do we have any proof of it besides Gospels? I thought that the first archive mention of a city of Nazareth dates back to 3rd century CE.
Dr. Dr. McClellan, since you talk about how historians assess the likelihood of Jesus existing... from 0% to 100%, what is your estimate?
Jesus historicity is required to suport Christianity. Which is a trillion dollar industry. Also Jews want to show that the grratest "person" in history was a Jew.
Actually it isn’t. Many Buddhists don’t believe there was a historical Buddha, and it doesn’t matter because there doesn’t have to be. The Buddha is just a story, a conduit for teaching a way of looking at the world that some people find helpful and some people don’t. It’s this idea that you must believe in Jesus or burn in Hell that makes Christianity so toxic. A healthy dose of mythicism - understanding the truth behind stories that are not, strictly speaking, true, might just save it from itself.
@@lexicornfell7361 buddhism is not a deity based religion. christianity is. if there is no actual jesus, the whole thing is a fraud.
@@louiscyfer6944 Oh, Buddhism has deities, and you can even believe in them, if you find it useful to do so, but their existence or otherwise, like the existence of the Buddha, is not really relevant to the core teachings of Buddhism. And presumably the people who wrote the gospels felt the same way. They presumably knew that what they were writing was fiction. And they were presumably Christian. Which means the original Christians did not care that their stories were ahistorical. They believed they were communicating truths that transcend mere historicity. And those original Christians are proof that Christianity does not need a historical Jesus to survive.
More sh** conspiracy theories... so atheist and other scholars care about the Christian industry... Jews really LOVE mentioning Jesus (tell me you never spoke to a religious Jew!) and btw totally ignore scholarship on Moses, Abraham and a bunch of others that have consensus as NOT having existed (David too until 1993 with the discovery of the Tel Dan stele. And still David is considered in ultra-minimalist lens by many scholars like Finkelstein and Silberman). Yep definitely only on Jesus there's a conspiracy to prove he existed. Grow up.
More sh** conspiracy theories... so atheist and other scholars care about the Christian industry... Jews really LOVE mentioning Jesus (tell me you never spoke to a religious Jew!) and btw totally ignore scholarship on Moses, Abraham and a bunch of others that have consensus as NOT having existed (David too until 1993 with the discovery of the Tel Dan stele. And still David is considered in ultra-minimalist lens by many scholars like Finkelstein and Silberman). Yep definitely only on Jesus there's a conspiracy to prove he existed. Grow up.
Let’s see it.
They know nothing, and there's a reason for that. There was no historical Jesus. It's just a story.
N E R O N not a moron !
Created by a Roman historian
The Judean People’s Front 👍
To me, Jesus is NOT apocalyptic. His goal was to bring a here-and-now kingdom of God to us. All of us. "Return to me."
But most cult leaders use fear, urgency and the "feeling of being choosen" to achieve their goals.
100% agree. There were certainly apocalyptic sects like the Qumran community around at the time of Jesus, but a close read of the canonical gospels and gospel of Thomas paint a very different picture of Jesus' eschatology. "Here and now kingdom"...exactly!
*Jesus is clearly speaking to the disciples and gives a timeframe for when the Son of Man would come.*
*"Jesus sent these twelve out,* charging them, saying: Do not go into the way of the nations, and do not go into a Samaritan city. *But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.* And going on, proclaim, saying, The kingdom of Heaven has drawn near" (Matthew 10:5-7)
“Truly I say to you, ***you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes”*** (Matthew 10:23);
For the *Son of man* shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; ***and then he shall reward every man according to his works.***
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here will not taste death*** before they see the *Son of Man* coming in his kingdom (Matthew 16:27-28)
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here*** will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God (Luke 9:27)
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Mark 13:30)
*He says that the coming of the Son of Man will be accompanied by:*
The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Then will appear the sign of the *Son of Man* in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the *Son of Man* coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Matthew 24:29-34)
There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the *Son of Man* coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Luke 21:25-32)
He also falsely prophesied to the high priest, the Sanhedrin and Nathaniel.
*Jesus falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin (assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one rabbis appointed to sit as a tribunal)
You will see the *Son of Man* sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and ***coming on the clouds of heaven*** (Matthew 26:64) (Mark 14:62)
Except the high priest and the Sanhedrin never saw Jesus sitting at the right hand side of God, or coming on the clouds of heaven, or any such thing.
*Jesus falsely prophesied to Nathaniel*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to Nathaniel when he declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.”
Jesus said, You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that. He then added, ***“Very truly I tell you, you will see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man*** (John 1:50-51)
*Nathaniel never saw any such thing. Neither did anyone else.*
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Also look up:
Watch *Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Historical Lecture - Bart D. Ehrman*
*"End Times - Evil Bible .com"*
*"The End of All Things is At Hand - The Church Of Truth"*
*"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
*"Jesus the Apocalyptic Prophet - History for Atheists"*
(Tim O'Neill is a former Christian and is familiar with most of the Biblical scholarship. He's been studying the scholarship and history for decades)
*"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return - Black Nonbelievers, Inc."*
@@essenechurch But what "here-now" means? Like if you accept Jesus you're going to be happy all your life?
So no "end times" nor "reward afterlife"?
@@lunarmodule6419
Who knows, not a priority. To me, God wants a relationship in the ordinaries.
"What Do Scholars Know About the Historical Harry Potter?" 😂
Why is an old testament / North-West Semitics scholar talking about an extremely niche topic like the Historical Jesus?
The historicists are basically just like Paul. "We don't know any of the details, but Jesus must have come and we just missed it. We must assume this because of the scriptures we do have."
2:00 "he was not known until after his death"
He was not a religion founder. He was the object of worship of a religion.
THAT, my friends, is the whole point. Can you point out another historical man who was the object of worship and not a group leader?
A religion starter reveals God nessage to his followers. But all that the apostle Paul says is that God revealed Jesus to mankind through the scriptures.
you mean the father of Mary ; Zacharias right ?
@willempasterkamp862 no, I mean Jesus was worshipped as son of God from the beginning. Paul says that God revealed his son through the scriptures
@@paulokas69 Pauly = Zachary
Paul was a moron
Can I point out a historical man who was an object of worship but not a group leader? Well, there's Haile Selassie, former Emperor of Ethiopia who Rastafarians picked as a prophet and/or messiah figure despite Selassie denying such claims himself.
So, while Selassie was the leader of a nation, he had zero interest in leading the religious group that formed around him.
Fear
McClellan is saying there's only weird stuff that MUST be explained if he didn't exist. With that viewpoint he's acting like there's nothing weird left unexplained if we're supposing Jesus was a real person. It's goofy. Y'all have plenty to explain yourselves - things that don't make any sense at all if he were real. So thats a silly argument against mythicism.
GREAT GUEST!
If all we can know about the historical Jesus was he was crucified by the romans, why do the jews say he was stoned and hung on a tree in the talmud and toldoth yeshu?
Jacob thinks 1 Thessalonians 'jews killed Jesus' is not an interpolation and proof Paul spoke of a historical Jesus.
Jesus never existed. Obviously just started as a pre-existent angel.
Not much
This fellow could play Woody Harrelson's smarter brother. 😆
There's not Christian in the south carolina or north carolina thinks Jesus was a real man....
nothing like a good mythicism strawmanning from CaptainDadPool to start the stream 🙄
Yup
4o years is close.
Besides the historical Jesus - the best contribution from the Mythicists is the similarities between christianity and the other myths and religions from the Mediterranean sea from the same period.
And the best contribution by people like Chrissy Hanssen and Kamli Gregor is showing that almost no mythical heroes with the characteristics of Jesus (and a bunch of others - Raglan heroes) were invented out of thin air after the 10th century BCE, or better, they were not put in narratives LATER than the 10th century BCE, the only exception is probably Romulus (dozens of counterexamples of mythologized guys that WERE in fact real)
Starts off immediately with a no statue strawman of mythicism
Ah, yes, the criterion of embarrassment, and right at the start. Which could be used to authenticate almost ALL great works of fiction, too.
I agree that Jesus would more likely have been crucified for causing a ruckus in the Temple, yet the gospel accounts do not mention that as being discussed in his trials, nor do we hear of any witnesses there to testify he did this. If he was tried that Thursday night (the accounts of his trials are all contrary to both Jewish and Roman law), how would they show it was the same guy who disrupted the Temple days earlier? Did they have his fingerprints, his photo? Part of the problem here is that there were Temple guards with orders to kill on the spot if need be, stationed in the Temple grounds, so the wait of several days makes no sense.
On the other hand, the Passover lamb is supposedly chosen on the 10th day (of a lunar month), prepared on the 14th, slaughtered on the 15th. If the gospel accounts are trying to make Jesus the Passover lamb, this explains this weird timetable. (And would imply that any details we might hope to gleam from the gospels would be really sus.)
Im no preacher and never read the bible but I one time went up to an alter to be born again and I felt his holiness that I know.
Yep. That is proof. My cat feels ghosts. So I get it.
Everyone told the same story.
Then why do all of the stories about Jesus contadict one another?
@ObjectiveEthics I never read the Bible,I got to the part where they talked about slavery and said,this cant be right.
Paul saw a ghost 👻 and had visions. He also had psychological issues. Was he on Blue Lotus during his writing\dictation? He may have met James and Simon. Isho\Yeshua was only human, no walking on water, no water to wine, no raising the dead, no conjuring ip the dead, no dying for sins, etc etc Just another mentally challenged individuals.
Why have u made the "did jesus survive the crucifixion? Jacob Berman vs David Mirsch" debate private? David did a great job and clearly one the debate. The sore looser isn't a good look on this channels open opinion sharing Jacob...
It will go be back up soon, I do not owe you an explanation of what's going on behind the scenes.
"Our earliest traditions may just go back to something someone recalled, whether historical or not, five years after Jesus's death". Is there a way to substantiate this assertion, or is Dan just waving the magic wand of doubt and displaying a chronological bias against the ancients?
They know nothing.
hahahaha
Paul refers to brother 111 times as follower of gods, to claim paul meant siblings is against probability and context….historicity loses
the 7 dwarfs aren't historic ?
@ I’m a Mythicist I’m just correcting Dan! Again if history is based on probability & context then this claim is invalid
@@commonsense0692 Claudians
Any non-ad-hoc reason why Paul mentioned Cefas - Peter alongside James, but ONLY James as the brother of the Lord?..
@ the historicist claim that Cephas is Jesus bestest friend is completely false,
1. Paul only mention Apostles (messengers of god) not disciples (student of a teacher)
2. Paul also states that he learnt nothing from any human only divinity
3. Paul states that Jesus only appeared to these people after death, as a vision, never as a historical figure or give historical speeches etc
4. Cephas is just another mythicist Paul a Hellenistic Jew who believed Jesus was the logos as described from 300bce
scholars, lol.
Paul is not the earliest writing about Jesus and Joh the Baptist. , The Roman intelligence services of the 19th Legion were writing about John the Baptist and Jesus while both were still alive , before and after Jesus took command of John the Baptist’s poltical movement the tri,
The base line for the Roman writing in reagards to the Gospel of Mark is Mark 15:1 - 16:8, The aboslute first mention of Jesus in offical dispatches comes from Pilate with his euangelion to Tiberius cited by Tertullian in book V of his Apology, The “tidings of Joy” to Tiberius is not the Resurrection, per se, but the unilateral covenant cutting ceremony that iinitianted by the spliting of Jesus witness by John Mark in John 19 34 - 35 and the ratification by the Talking Cross in the Gospel of Peter, which ovsioulsy derived from Pilate’s signal traffic to Rome, The fact that the Jewish god formed a covenant with the Roman stoic servant leaders of the Praetorian Guuard, the centurions, was exactly the sort of divine endorsement Tiberious sought and the Roman Senate denied him because of the execution of Sejanus,
The fact that this scenario doesn’t fit Bart “Giggle’s Ehrman’s time travel fantasy that proposes the Gosple of Mark is derivative of Pauline Theology is the fatal flaw iThn all thingss Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, I don’t care if you clowns are in an academic pissing contest with Pri-Life Calvinist apolgotics: i am offended by your supordination of literatre to history, and the desicreation that represents.
You guys are the junk food, nutition free genre in the tradition of written communication, This is exactly the academic mal practice that has produced several generations of educaional dificiency that has elevated the H-IB visa to a premium status among Project 2025 Fortune 500 employers like Elon Musk and Ramennoodle.
The Gosplel of Mark is a Roman intelligence report, not a Greko=Roman biography, It is more like the sort of profiling featured in "Criminal Minds” than The Latin authograph of the Gosple of Mark was composed and sent up his chain of command to Theophilu by Cornelius immediately after his interview with Peter that was arranbed by the Holy Spirit. As an Equistrain, Theophilus was in the exective strata of the Praetorian Guard in a rore more or less identical to George Smiley’s rome in John LeCarre’s MI6.
The Gospel of Mark represent the vanguard of data assempble by Theolphilus in his analysis and finding summarized in the Roman Christian manifesto of Hebrews, which, significantly, is the 19th book fo the New covenant, The 7 authentic Pauline epistles is a numerological signal that answers the question in Daniel 7:19: the furth beast is the Roman Empire, with the iron jaws of the Legions and the iron teeth of the centurions, which is a game changing military and sociolgocial game changer.
The connection between Romulus and the Ture Warfare of Clausewitz is Cornelius, and Cornelius represents the subjec to the New Vovenant of the Tlaking Cross.
"educaional [sic] dificiency [sic]" Projection much?
"H-IB visa" Gotta love somebody who doesn't even know the name of what they're mad about. It's H-1B with a number, not "H-IB"
@onlylettersand0to9 You are missing the point, After the occupation of Columbian University in May 1968, the campus radicals across the American university system rejected Hegel because of his connection to Clausewitz and the Post Modern Literary Criticism of the Liberal Arts convention and adopted the Marxist template of Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, A consequence is an intellectual glass ceiling imposed on the entire American education system that has handicapped the American work force with a cognitive bias that has accrued to the admantage of workers with classic educaitions that are not limited by the materialism relfected in the theological distortions of Dan McClellan, Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Jimmy Tabor and the whole Jesus Seminar apostasy agenda aligned against the Pro-Life Ccalvinism of Christian Nationalism,
Elon Musk just fired 6000 Tesla employees because he needs the cash he can acquire by rainding his payroll to cover the blunder he made with Twittler, His interest in these visa's purely the 19th Century Plantation economics of the Harvard MBA program, Dano McClellan's "Cognitive lignusitics" is a froce multiplier for Elon Musk's work force agenda.
@@onlylettersand0to9 @onlylettersand0to9 replied to Tom Wilson's comment, to wit"
"educaional [sic] dificiency [sic]" Projection much? "H-IB visa" Gotta love somebody who doesn't even know the name of what they're mad about. It's H-1B with a number, not "H-IB"
Tom Wilson replied:
@onlylettersand0to9 You are missing the point, After the occupation of Columbian University in May 1968, the campus radicals across the American university system rejected Hegel because of his connection to Clausewitz and the Post Modern Literary Criticism of the Liberal Arts convention and adopted the Marxist template of Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, A consequence is an intellectual glass ceiling imposed on the entire American education system that has handicapped the American work force with a cognitive bias that has accrued to the admantage of workers with classic educaitions that are not limited by the materialism relfected in the theological distortions of Dan McClellan, Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Jimmy Tabor and the whole Jesus Seminar apostasy agenda aligned against the Pro-Life Ccalvinism of Christian Nationalism,
Elon Musk just fired 6000 Tesla employees because he needs the cash he can acquire by rainding his payroll to cover the blunder he made with Twittler, His interest in these visa's purely the 19th Century Plantation economics of the Harvard MBA program, Dano McClellan's "Cognitive lignusitics" is a froce multiplier for Elon Musk's work force agenda. @onlylettersand0to9 replied to Tom Wilson's comment, to wit"
"educaional [sic] dificiency [sic]" Projection much? "H-IB visa" Gotta love somebody who doesn't even know the name of what they're mad about. It's H-1B with a number, not "H-IB"
Tom Wilson replied:
@onlylettersand0to9 You are missing the point, After the occupation of Columbian University in May 1968, the campus radicals across the American university system rejected Hegel because of his connection to Clausewitz and the Post Modern Literary Criticism of the Liberal Arts convention and adopted the Marxist template of Post Modern Historic Deconstruction, A consequence is an intellectual glass ceiling imposed on the entire American education system that has handicapped the American work force with a cognitive bias that has accrued to the admantage of workers with classic educaitions that are not limited by the materialism relfected in the theological distortions of Dan McClellan, Bart Ehrman, John Dominic Crossan, Jimmy Tabor and the whole Jesus Seminar apostasy agenda aligned against the Pro-Life Ccalvinism of Christian Nationalism,
Elon Musk just fired 6000 Tesla employees because he needs the cash he can acquire by rainding his payroll to cover the blunder he made with Twittler, His interest in these visa's purely the 19th Century Plantation economics of the Harvard MBA program, Dano McClellan's "Cognitive lignusitics" is a froce multiplier for Elon Musk's work force agenda.
@@Thomasw540 I don't think you can quite grasp the humor of seeing somebody trying to defend "classic educaitions" [sic]
Not sure if you're trolling or if you just can't figure out spellcheck.
@onlylettersand0to9 My spellcheck doesn't work and I'm not quite blind.
If you Find it difficult to follow my posts, you may be a Poster Child for exactly the crippling effects of Post Modern Historic Deconstrucition I am describing
Or you could just be an asshole who has not interest in anything but cheap shots form the peanut gallery,
The net effect is the same,
nothing, cause they cant prove it, only assume