Thanks for the message. It's interesting how many teach that today's version of tithing is a biblical mandate when it has no biblical precedent. There's no such thing as a required biblical tithe that was received from earned wages, yet there's ample evidence that money was widely traded and wages were earned during those times.
@markb7067, Nice to hear from you. You are welcome. Thank you for the message and letting me know that my message ministered to you. It is interesting. You are right. I think it is simply accepted. As the norm, nobody questions it.
I purchased your book Your Finances God’s Way and got an eye opening about tithing and what the the New Testament says about giving. For years I gave a tenth because that is what was preached to me and still is today. I find it hard to break out of that 10% mindset.
@maxinef6654, Nice to hear from you. Thank you for letting me know. I'm blessed that my material is ministering to you. I would love to hear your thoughts on my book, Your Finances God's Way, when you get to read it. I understand that when we have been doing something a certain way for a while it is hard to do things differently. I definitely don't think there's anything wrong with giving 10%. That's not my point. I just want people to know they don't have to give 10%, it is not commanded, and perhaps God wants some people to give more than 10%. God bless!
I attended a church where tithing 10% was written in the membership that required signing. I was a new Christian and wanted to be a member but was a poor student and was concerned that there may be months I would be able to afford it. Sad really.
Can u picture Jesus on the cross holding his hand out, saying hand it over. ? Show me the $ ? I was homeless in freezing winter temps with snow on my car and paying 15 percent of any money I earned. Just disgusting!
@deyonnedee2818 Yes, that is sad that they would put something like that in the membership contract. That approach completely contradicts 2 Corinthians 9 about giving cheerfully and willingly.
Give where the need is greatest for the gospel and for world mission for the need is great.There are many many millions of Christians in the world that are without the basic material and spiritual needs met outside of the west. We are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer' is true of the worldwide church as it is in the world. Be led by God to where you give your money for God's kingdom. Giving for God's purpose can bring you great joy and enthusiasm and we are focused and we are meeting genuine needs
@user-jb1tr9uw3y I agree that we should be giving toward the gospel. I do have other sermons about the importance of giving. This sermon is about whether we are commanded to give a tithe. Do you have any thoughts on that topic or anything I said in the sermon? Thanks, and God bless!
Thanks for your kindly reply. I was brought up to tithe since a youngster,I find it a reasonable guide and feel people need that, but I'm by no means legalistic on it. I tend to think on practical theology,and the practice if our western church is we are to us centered,and give a very small percentage to unreached groups and the suffering church where I have a specific interest.--there seems to be a great imbalance that needs addressing. Thanks for tackling this issue and looking at it seriously and asking the question, blessings, Alastair
@@user-jb1tr9uw3y@user-jb1tr9uw3y You said you were brought up to tithe since you were a child, and I find this to be the main reason most people tithe versus telling me they see it commanded in the New Testament for church-age believers. I hope that doesn’t sound harsh. I’m just being honest. As you can hopefully tell from the sermon, I am not dismissing giving, and I would even argue that many people should probably give more than 10%. Anyway, I appreciate the dialogue. God bless!
Also in Malachi the famous scripture to tell people of robing God , wasn’t it the Priest who where robbing from God. Backed up by Nehemiah 13 It was the priest who where holding everything for themselves.
Aramark, Yes, Malachi 3:8 says, "Will man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say, ‘How have we robbed you?’ In your tithes and contributions." But I'm not sure it was the priests who were "robbing" God so much as the people.
@@ScottLaPierre Nehemiah 13 eliashib the priest Nehemiah 10 lays out the foundation of the tithes and once a year they would pay temple tax of one and eighth ounce of silver for the temple up keeping . All the tithes was food. Only the levites where to distribute the tithes . It was done once a year .
@@Business21-k6u I am not looking up all the verses, but that sounds correct. Can you let me know if you have any questions or there's a point you're making, or do you simply want to share some information related to the topic?
Adam, I appreciate your question. As a pastor, I have had many people question our church's teachings. Some people have went about this the right way with a good attitude, while others have not. First, I would encourage you to be charitable versus confrontational. Ask one of the church leaders about the church's beliefs and how they came to that belief. Ask him to support it with Scripture. Second, be prepared to respond and share your thoughts. Hopefully you will be asked if you agree or disagree and perhaps be invited to share. If that's not the case, ask the church leader if you can share your thoughts. Then share the verses with him and perhaps direct him to this video. Personally, I do not think this is a good reason to leave the church. So even if the church leader, or leaders, do not respond the way you want, I wouldn't see it as a test of fellowship.
Thank you for your reply Scott, I greatly appreciate it! Also I just want to thank you for the marriage teaching you have posted on UA-cam, it has been a very significant blessing to my wife and I. Bless you brother
@@adamriddiough4440, That blesses me, thank you for letting me know. It is a great encouragement to me that God would use my materials, both teaching and books, outside of the walls of the church I pastor, Woodland Christian Church. Let me know if your church would like to host one of my marriage conferences. Maybe it will give me an opportunity to talk with the leadership about tithing :-). God bless you as well!
@@ScottLaPierreI started to learn different doctrine to get into apologetics. Too defend my churches belief in the pretrib rapture. But I was led to leave the pretrib doctrine and I started studying the tithe doctrine too. Oh man it is super clear that we are not supposed to tithe today. Anyway I’m sad because I was going to become a Pastor in our churches. And even an evangelist. Now I can’t if I don’t tithe, or believe the pretrib doctrine. Anyways, I will not put man first and lie to believers in Christ Jesus about the tithe. I left the church for about 6 months. But I came back on new years. I know that my pastor wants to push me and everyone to do Gods will. And if we are called to become pastors to do so. But I know that I would have to have a discussion with him about my convictions. I’m not going to lie to people. No SWINDLER will inherit the kingdom of God.
@@Keepitoriginalministry There are lots of churches that don't require you to tithe or hold to a pre-trib doctrine to become one of their pastors. What denomination are you part of, if you don't mind me asking? When you say you "Left the church for about six months," do you mean you left that church or stopped going to any churches for six months? Hopefully not the latter.
I want to ask a question because someone has upset me. I said that I was tithing to a salvation based church , James Dobson and Charles Stanley. They said you're not in Gods will then and you're only supposed to tithe to a local church, your tithe means nothing. Is that true? Here I was extremely happy to tithe to a church that preaches what it should. I didn't think the Lord minds as long as one is giving with want to a good Bible based church. I haven't found any local I feel lead to give to.
Adam, Another good question. The negative consequences relate to what I said in the message. People would not be giving out of hearts of Thanksgiving, or at least they wouldn't be as likely to do so. Instead, they would be obligated to give and it would be more like taxation than worship.
Did you watch the sermon if you don't mind me asking? The reason I ask is I think, or at least I would hope, the sermon answered what you are asking. The New Testament commands giving, but it does not command giving a tithe or tithes. So I give to my church (and other causes), but I don't feel bound to give a certain percent.
@@emmanuelchukwu8331 that is unfortunate as I think it is unbiblical. If you listen to my message, if you haven't already, you will see why I feel that way.
You're right. I wrote about that in the accompanying blog post: www.scottlapierre.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-tithing-in-the-new-testament/#Abraham-Demonstrates-Giving-Willingly.
Thanks for the message. It's interesting how many teach that today's version of tithing is a biblical mandate when it has no biblical precedent. There's no such thing as a required biblical tithe that was received from earned wages, yet there's ample evidence that money was widely traded and wages were earned during those times.
@markb7067,
Nice to hear from you. You are welcome. Thank you for the message and letting me know that my message ministered to you.
It is interesting. You are right. I think it is simply accepted. As the norm, nobody questions it.
I purchased your book Your Finances God’s Way and got an eye opening about tithing and what the the New Testament says about giving. For years I gave a tenth because that is what was preached to me and still is today. I find it hard to break out of that 10% mindset.
@maxinef6654,
Nice to hear from you. Thank you for letting me know. I'm blessed that my material is ministering to you. I would love to hear your thoughts on my book, Your Finances God's Way, when you get to read it.
I understand that when we have been doing something a certain way for a while it is hard to do things differently. I definitely don't think there's anything wrong with giving 10%. That's not my point. I just want people to know they don't have to give 10%, it is not commanded, and perhaps God wants some people to give more than 10%. God bless!
I was told this yesterday and I did not want to believe it …Thank you lord for binging me here✝️
@@zealove777 Thanks for sharing this. It blesses me to read it.
Thank you for this message!
@kindalemamatas you're welcome. Glad it ministered to you. God bless!
I attended a church where tithing 10% was written in the membership that required signing. I was a new Christian and wanted to be a member but was a poor student and was concerned that there may be months I would be able to afford it. Sad really.
Can u picture Jesus on the cross holding his hand out, saying hand it over. ? Show me the $ ? I was homeless in freezing winter temps with snow on my car and paying 15 percent of any money I earned. Just disgusting!
@deyonnedee2818 Yes, that is sad that they would put something like that in the membership contract. That approach completely contradicts 2 Corinthians 9 about giving cheerfully and willingly.
@@rachelcook5697 I am very sorry to read this. I hope things are going better for you.
Give where the need is greatest for the gospel and for world mission for the need is great.There are many many millions of Christians in the world that are without the basic material and spiritual needs met outside of the west.
We are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer' is true of the worldwide church as it is in the world.
Be led by God to where you give your money for God's kingdom.
Giving for God's purpose can bring you great joy and enthusiasm and we are focused and we are meeting genuine needs
@user-jb1tr9uw3y I agree that we should be giving toward the gospel. I do have other sermons about the importance of giving. This sermon is about whether we are commanded to give a tithe. Do you have any thoughts on that topic or anything I said in the sermon? Thanks, and God bless!
Thanks for your kindly reply.
I was brought up to tithe since a youngster,I find it a reasonable guide and feel people need that, but I'm by no means legalistic on it.
I tend to think on practical theology,and the practice if our western church is we are to us centered,and give a very small percentage to unreached groups and the suffering church where I have a specific interest.--there seems to be a great imbalance that needs addressing.
Thanks for tackling this issue and looking at it seriously and asking the question, blessings, Alastair
@@user-jb1tr9uw3y@user-jb1tr9uw3y You said you were brought up to tithe since you were a child, and I find this to be the main reason most people tithe versus telling me they see it commanded in the New Testament for church-age believers. I hope that doesn’t sound harsh. I’m just being honest. As you can hopefully tell from the sermon, I am not dismissing giving, and I would even argue that many people should probably give more than 10%. Anyway, I appreciate the dialogue. God bless!
Also in Malachi the famous scripture to tell people of robing God , wasn’t it the Priest who where robbing from God.
Backed up by Nehemiah 13
It was the priest who where holding everything for themselves.
Aramark,
Yes, Malachi 3:8 says, "Will man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say, ‘How have we robbed you?’ In your tithes and contributions." But I'm not sure it was the priests who were "robbing" God so much as the people.
@@ScottLaPierre Nehemiah 13 eliashib the priest
Nehemiah 10 lays out the foundation of the tithes and once a year they would pay temple tax of one and eighth ounce of silver for the temple up keeping . All the tithes was food.
Only the levites where to distribute the tithes . It was done once a year .
@@Business21-k6u I am not looking up all the verses, but that sounds correct. Can you let me know if you have any questions or there's a point you're making, or do you simply want to share some information related to the topic?
What is the best and most wise way of addressing this with my church leaders who have been teaching tithing for decades??
Adam,
I appreciate your question. As a pastor, I have had many people question our church's teachings. Some people have went about this the right way with a good attitude, while others have not.
First, I would encourage you to be charitable versus confrontational. Ask one of the church leaders about the church's beliefs and how they came to that belief. Ask him to support it with Scripture.
Second, be prepared to respond and share your thoughts. Hopefully you will be asked if you agree or disagree and perhaps be invited to share. If that's not the case, ask the church leader if you can share your thoughts. Then share the verses with him and perhaps direct him to this video.
Personally, I do not think this is a good reason to leave the church. So even if the church leader, or leaders, do not respond the way you want, I wouldn't see it as a test of fellowship.
Thank you for your reply Scott, I greatly appreciate it!
Also I just want to thank you for the marriage teaching you have posted on UA-cam, it has been a very significant blessing to my wife and I.
Bless you brother
@@adamriddiough4440,
That blesses me, thank you for letting me know. It is a great encouragement to me that God would use my materials, both teaching and books, outside of the walls of the church I pastor, Woodland Christian Church.
Let me know if your church would like to host one of my marriage conferences. Maybe it will give me an opportunity to talk with the leadership about tithing :-).
God bless you as well!
@@ScottLaPierreI started to learn different doctrine to get into apologetics. Too defend my churches belief in the pretrib rapture. But I was led to leave the pretrib doctrine and I started studying the tithe doctrine too. Oh man it is super clear that we are not supposed to tithe today. Anyway I’m sad because I was going to become a Pastor in our churches. And even an evangelist. Now I can’t if I don’t tithe, or believe the pretrib doctrine. Anyways, I will not put man first and lie to believers in Christ Jesus about the tithe. I left the church for about 6 months. But I came back on new years. I know that my pastor wants to push me and everyone to do Gods will. And if we are called to become pastors to do so. But I know that I would have to have a discussion with him about my convictions. I’m not going to lie to people. No SWINDLER will inherit the kingdom of God.
@@Keepitoriginalministry There are lots of churches that don't require you to tithe or hold to a pre-trib doctrine to become one of their pastors. What denomination are you part of, if you don't mind me asking?
When you say you "Left the church for about six months," do you mean you left that church or stopped going to any churches for six months? Hopefully not the latter.
Great Pastor. Interesting preaching
I'm blessed that my sermon ministered to you. Thank you for letting me know.
Great Man of God. I have been trying to. ask you a question on PRIDE. Do you have any talk on PRIDE?. I wanted your advice on marrying a proud wife!
@@emmanuelchukwu8331 here you go: www.scottlapierre.org/the-danger-of-spiritual-pride/
I want to ask a question because someone has upset me. I said that I was tithing to a salvation based church , James Dobson and Charles Stanley. They said you're not in Gods will then and you're only supposed to tithe to a local church, your tithe means nothing. Is that true? Here I was extremely happy to tithe to a church that preaches what it should. I didn't think the Lord minds as long as one is giving with want to a good Bible based church. I haven't found any local I feel lead to give to.
Great I have learnt a lot God bless you man of God.
Amen
@fabianmoya9896 I am glad the sermon ministered to you.
Thank you, for speaking the truth biblical. And not speaking as a prosperity Pastor that are wolf's In sheep clothing
@@fabianmoya9896 thank you for letting me know. I'm blessed that the sermon ministered to you,
What would you say are the negative consequences of teaching mandated tithing to a local church?
Adam,
Another good question. The negative consequences relate to what I said in the message. People would not be giving out of hearts of Thanksgiving, or at least they wouldn't be as likely to do so. Instead, they would be obligated to give and it would be more like taxation than worship.
Hi Pastor scott. Do you pay thith in your church? And Offering.
Did you watch the sermon if you don't mind me asking? The reason I ask is I think, or at least I would hope, the sermon answered what you are asking. The New Testament commands giving, but it does not command giving a tithe or tithes. So I give to my church (and other causes), but I don't feel bound to give a certain percent.
This is the first time I am hearing this. My church mandates us to pay a percentage of what ever we get as tithing
This is the first time I am hearing this. My church mandates us to pay a percentage of what ever we get as tithing
@@emmanuelchukwu8331 that is unfortunate as I think it is unbiblical. If you listen to my message, if you haven't already, you will see why I feel that way.
@@emmanuelchukwu8331they can't actually mandate something the bible doesn't mandate
Abram gave from his spoils of war .
You're right. I wrote about that in the accompanying blog post: www.scottlapierre.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-tithing-in-the-new-testament/#Abraham-Demonstrates-Giving-Willingly.