EXCLUSIVE! Is This The Future Of Trucks? We Put Rear Wheel Steering Through a Battery of Tests!
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- ( www.TFLtruck.com ) EXCLUSIVE! Is This The Future Of Pickup Trucks? We put ZF Rear Wheel Steering Ford F-150 Through a Battery of Tests!
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My 03 GMC sierra denali quadrasteer beat you to it years ago. Still working flawlessly today
Had one and loved it!
@@OffRoad-jh1domy old man bought it brand new in 03, sold it to his brother in 2012 and i bought it back last year. It has ran perfect since the day it was bought and i dont plan on selling it ever
The tools in this video act like Delphi’s system was garbage compared to this ZF unit. The fact is they are wrong. This “new” system is exactly what they did 18 years ago, except with all the advances in electronics.
@@bigman55434 Exactly the quadrasteer on my 2003 GMC was impeccable. I never turned it off from 0- 140,000. when I sold it.
Yes but those aren't Fords so they won't be on TFL. Don't me wrong, I like the channel but there seems to be a bit of a shiny new Ford bias
Those quadrasteer trucks did wicked donuts. The power in modern trucks would really be a blast.
Yes. Yes they would
New vehicles are so choked up with traction control and stability control systems, that it's nearly impossible anymore...
@@johncholmes643 with the new Ford traction control off and advanc track off as well
@@gideonwaldner2670
Not my 2016
@@johncholmes643 works on our 16farm trucks
We need Octosteer so we can control other cars about to back into us in parking lots.
We already do. It's called a horn.
What about common sense
Thats basically a goldhofer with a cab
Imagine "jeep death wobble" on the rear axle when those balljoints wear out.
Yeah would be really scary. These trucks won't tolerate neglect
@@reallyhappenings5597 imagine the trailer sway and unpredictability if you hit a small bump, it wouldn't do it, hit the big one and off we go at Max gcwr. 😥😱
@@scottleggejr tbh I'm not entirely sure what you're describing bu tg i get the idea, never owned a truck
Preventive maintenance is a big key on all newer vehicles
@Sno Man not the same design.
Did gm already try this.
More moving parts more problems
250k on my quadrasteer and not a single problem
Do you never changed a tie rod
Normally I'd agree with that, but I can't think of any real issues with the quadrasteer system
chachifeere Thats GM, they half ass that system.
Shit, my 91 Nissan did this...BFD
quadrasteer was the best system ever for trucks. I often miss my 03 HD that had it. Just an expensive option
And near impossible to fix it properly if anything happens to it
@@jeffanderson7256 That's what turned me off from buying a used one. Heard the parts are hard to find too...
Gm dropped the price down to 2k I heard
Dude it's a shitty system. You now have "2" front ends to keep tight
I had a 2003 Silverado LT 4x4 with Quadrasteer. It was incredibly maneuverable, easy to park and pulled trailers really well. I even liked the slightly flared fender look it had. The only issue I had with the Quadrasteer system was it made the rear axle quite heavy and you could really feel it bounce around behind you. The suspension tuning was never quite right and it felt like the front end and rear end were tuned by completely different teams. The front would soak up a big bump or pothole without much issue, and a moment later the rear would hit the same bump and bounce 2 - 3 times. This was especially bad if the bump/hole/impact was on only one side of the truck. I’m sure with modern suspension systems this could be eliminated (or at least greatly reduced), but it sure was annoying in my truck.
Thanks for the comment. Good to know!
Did you have to pay extra for alignments or did you not keep it long enough to find out? It's a huge pain to do 4 wheel alignments when all 4 corners steer.
Agreed on all counts. Thats why I bought it, it steered really well in tight situations, but thats about all it was good for, the entire package together though, SMH, just didn't work.
I had the same truck. 290k with zero issues. Towing was simpler and the heaver axle handled overloading (2k+) many times. The wider rear stance and rear end swinging to the opposite direction when pulling away from a curb took getting used to. The 38ft. turning radius was awesome.
I traded it in for a '17 Silverado and was very disappointed in the handling by comparison.
GM made and was testing a second gen quadrasteer that fit in normal box width but the demand wasn't there so got canned
GM's quadrasteer system is absolutely incredible when towing. The truck and trailer switch flawlessly between lanes and around corners as if they are one single unit, there's almost no sway at all. Plus being able to swing a crew cab 6.5' bed truck into a parking spot without any effort at all is amazing. I always thought if Ford had been the one to implement quadrasteer it would likely still be for sale.
Also, to all the idiots claiming "it's more stuff to go wrong", "what happens when the wheels stay turned", etc My 2002 Sierra Denali has over 315,000 miles and the only part to wear out on the rear end has been one tie rod end. Suspension part failure is negligible. And quadrasteer had a failsafe centering spring to return the rear tires to center if there was ever an issue, i'm sure this new system will be just as secure and perform even better than quadrasteer ever did. If you don't like it, don't buy it, and don't bitch.
Mr. Truck is going to be so pumped. He loves quadsteer.
Yes, I promoted Quadra steer years ago, we towed a trailer up Pikes Peak, barrel raced with it demo'd to GM dealers in Colorado. It was great until GM and Delphi got in a pissing match and it went away. I'll do a video on my experience with it. You can't make a trailer sway with it, it crab steered and both axles could steer the same direction. I loved it
I think I read mr trucks review when I first bought mine haha.
"Vitrually no sway, just kind of came in line" .....young buck engineer nods ****yeeees we are magicians*** lol
“Going up north” is such a Michigan thing to say
My F150 can already turn very sharply. Just jam the throttle and lose the rear end!
That's one way to do things.
But it's a Ford so it'll just chug and not go anywhere
@@willl84 hunting for an argument I see.
Exactly how I want to haul my horses
We can’t always hope there is icy road to bust a turn. We all know fords cant spin otherwise lmao
Lol cover the ford logos on the front and back and sides but not the wheel hub caps ... you had one job
It was a Ford!??
I had no idea.
"Yeah, there's definite trailer sway there." As the trailer tires squeal and it whips wildly. I'd say, that's a definite understatement. My quadrasteer is awesome.
The future? You mean bringing up the past. Chevy had rear wheel steering on the GMT 800 pickups as an option
Thank you so much, You saved me the time of pointing that out.
They hurt my head talking about the future of trucks! and I am like didn't GM have this like 15 or 20 years ago?
They literally talk about this in the first minute of the video which tells me neither of you watched it lol
I did watch it. Doesnt change the title and how they claim "future of trucks?" When it is already established that it's the past that they are just attempting to bring back.
Well you could say that about electric cars which came out 100 years ago.
The video did mention this if you watched it
It needs a crab walk mode
Having this system should make it easier to maneuver large light-duty trucks like the F150 through high traffic areas. I see this as a great benefit.
I have a Silverado 2500 quadsteer. I love the steering. We need a 1 ton 4 wheel steer. I would buy a new Ford immediately!
Should have gone all the way and gone for fixed point 360s lol... make that trailer fly like someone spinning a small child🤪.
Oh boy🤦♂️ ..It's early and I'm still on my first coffee... can you tell? Lol
@@subgod I just pictured that in my head and laughed probably more than I should have
4 wheel steering on a truck sounds like an alignment nightmare.
It is. If the rear steering rack failed. You could never have it aligned. And those are expensive to replace
You could say the exact same. Thing about the front...
Yes but you have manual control if the front breaks. DOT mandates that so you can get to the side of the road safely. Cant do that with the rear rack
Well, apparently you can because it's already on thousands of vehicles sooooooo.......
Why do you say that? It would be EXACTLY like adjusting a vehicle with rear independent.....
My 2003 GMC Denali truck had 4 wheel steering. One of the best features on the truck hands down.
Should’ve done some donuts on that wet tile! I would’ve loved to see how the 4 wheel steering reacted
A roll over more than likely. Monster trucks have that issue and their center of gravity is about the same
@@kylevanwinkle2081 definitely not 😂
I'd say that's a dramatic improvement.
GMC has those back in the early 2000
tzxsr No shit, Sherlock
It's mentioned in the video, bout 35 seconds in
elgayetas I know
I can’t buy me a new 2020 2500hd until u guys do a proper review on it, come on guys 😄😄😄
You're messing with them aren't you
Just get a RAM. It's the best truck made right now.
Guardrail Lol sure buddy
@@guardrail2897 Yeah no. Ram is owned by Fiat, which is a European company.... And the only thing good about that truck is the engine dropped into it, which is an American engine. Or you could just buy a ford and you know your giving your money to Americans and some Mexicans. Id rather give my money to Mexicans rather than Europeans.
105Percent_American have you not seen a new rams interior? Hands down best in class also the ZF trans is amazing, I’ve got a 19 rebel and coming from a ford guy the f150 needs a huge revamp to bring me back.
So many people here complaining about a rear steering system. May I remind everyone that you already have something similar on your vehicle already whether you like it or not... Like a front steering system. 😂
Some big rigs and sports cars have had rear steer for years.
The problem GM had with their quad steer trucks was that they were under engineered and not strong enough to hold any kind of load. Basically a front steering system slapped on the rear.
JensAlan yep. Porsche uses it all the time
I have been driving commercial trucks and trailers for years, I have yet to see an AWS truck in the industry. other than steering tag axles on a tow truck or what is offered for those large size heavy cranes that can be driven by themselves on the road.
so yu can replace rear tie rods, rear U-joints, wheel bearings more often.
Anjou@. And not to mention new set of tires and alignment often .
Ouch, mechanic fees.... oh 4500 to fix your rear stear mechanical issue. Oh its program issue 6500 to fix.
Well you probably shouldn't get a 60k truck if you cant afford the maintenance.
Shit that every IFS Junk Chevys problem today!!
My 04 quadrasteer is really good at backing up trailers
They should build an autocross truck and win some major competitions.
International Harvester did the same thing in tractors years ago, so did J.I. Case...
General Motors did it in the late '90s...
ZF can probably retrofit the system to anything!!!
They make great axles😎
You didn’t hit the brakes on the run with the zf on that’s makes a huge difference
I noticed the same thing. When he tapped the brakes on that first run, that causes the back end of the trailer to swing around exaggerating the effect. And of course on the 2nd run, he didn't touch the brakes at all.
Loved the quadrasteer on my my old suburban, would happily take it again in a SuperDuty.
This would definitely push the price to 100k for the platinum f350
Forget the steeering.. I saw a new touch screen!
It also looks like they changed the camber on the front axles on their trailer also......If you look at 6:08 on this video you can see
I think that's just the tyres deflecting as the trailer is turned. The front tyre pulls outwards and the rear pulls inwards.
This concept was already done with the 1988 Honda Prelude.
1957 nissan Blue Bird was way before :)
yes it aint a new concept by any stretch as the video references it used on pickups prior but the way there refining it for a mid sized sector bloody interesting. e.g. the sway side of it might help with lifted vehicles me thinks to get legal down in Australia.
Man those preludes were so hard to parallel park though
B- Rad it’s like your hands shaving your face but your legs dancing wildly.
The 360° turn test was impressive!!
This is why I'm so fascinated by the engineers
I feel like we are watching top gear as many times I heard Zed F instead of ZF.
I drive my F150 in the city 99% of the time. I’ve been wishing for this since 2008
When ABS was new, it was touted to handle the split mu issue...even had vids showing the difference (great spins in the locked up car). But now ABS can’t handle it and a rear steer system is needed? Oh, and abs handled it before dynamic stability control was a thing.
You can watch the video - ABS does work well to help on split mu conditions, but ABS combined with rear steer makes things that much better. Without ABS or rear steer at all, the vehicle would rotate pretty damn quickly
I own a 05 2500 4x4 QS suburban and absolutely love it! I wish every full sized truck/suv had this.
WOW Awesome technology! I too want this in trucks.
It's been in trucks for nearly 20 years. GM put this in their trucks ages ago.
I’ve got an 03 1500HD equipped with Quadrasteer, it’s my second truck with it. If 4 wheel steering made its way onto a new model truck I’d buy it almost regardless of brand!
So Ford is telling consumers that they can now load a trailer any which way and rely on this new system to save their butts? Then if you start to slip, the truck pulls towards traction...even if that 18 wheeler may be in the same spot? Good grief!!!
Hey Ford...teach your consumers how to drive regardless of all these technologies or just make your vehicles 100% autonomous. Technology will NEVER replace experience and some common sense. Just my humble opinion folks.
This is a separate utility, it’s not from ford. Damn dude you look like an ass.
The tech is nice, but not really needed if you know how to drive by feel.....
GM had quadrasteer back in the early 2000s it was a $5000 upcharge. Was available on the 1500, 2500 and 3500 trucks. It only lasted a couple years.
Aaron .J I remember hearing something about it being 8k and no one would buy so they dropped it to 5k and then down the like 2k at the very end
It came on the 1500 and 1500 HD trucks and 2500 suburban. I had a 04 1500 HD and pulled a 30 ft 5th wheel camper on the weekends. I didn’t pay a lot extra for it due to it being a promotional vehicle. Meaning someone at GM Detroit used it for 1500 miles then it was sent to my local dealer to be sold. Fortunately for me it had a sticker price of 43,000 but I got it for 32,000. It had everything except a sun roof. I loved this truck since it was my daily and I could go everywhere with and parking was a breeze.
@@FishFind3000 I talked with a guy about 5 years ago at a tire shop I worked at who previously worked at a GM dealer nearby. He said it was $5k for it and if mated with the Duramax, it was another $8k. For being a modified Dana 60 axle, it's a bit steep for a 15 degree turning radius.
Okay, so the "innovations" we've seen in new trucks include:
4 wheel steering
Composite beds
Mpg focused 1/2 ton diesels
And steps built into the sides of the bed...
Getting real original here
I have a 93 K1500 with a 6.2 diesel and 2 quadrasteer trucks lol, history always repeats itself.
You just wait till they come out with front wheel drive pickup half-ton 3/4 ton and 1 ton then the sales would go down nobody in their right mind would want a front wheel drive pickup
It's the auto industry, what did you expect?
The first test when they had the rear steering off, after they swerved he hit the brakes.. which is bad. Thatll make the trailer do what it did. And with the rear steering on he didnt touch the brakes.
And son I remember the when tucks use to cost under $30,000 fully loaded, not nowadays for $150,000 stock.
Bruce Wilson 150,000 stock? You are thinking of some Mercedes x class truck shit.
The rate these trucks are going they are already $80k plus. I bought my f350 08 crew cab diesel fully loaded for $39k. Still going strong. Don't plan on buying any time in the future.
@@brucewilson5087 stop being a tight ass and reach into that dusty bank account of yours and do everyone a favor and stop bitching about how much less things cost when you used to fork hay for the cows, nobody cares dude things cost now what they cost. Damn baby boomers
I had a quadra steer GM HD1500 and loved it. Made a big truck feel small when parking and towing. Great to see it back and improved. Worth the $$ if you tow. much safer.
No body said it's improved, more like another expensive option
@@andrymashka1757 Well improved was a bit of an assumption. It looks like it has a wider steering angle. All I can say is it worked. I was able to effortlessly back my boat and truck combo down a winding narrow launch "trail" much easier with the quadrasteer. The sway on hwy was eliminated as well. Parking was a breeze. Turning around in tight spaces was no problem. I loved it and would buy a truck that had it again. Given the price of trucks these days, they should come with this as std equipment.
@@treborheminway1196 True to that, we all love new and improved. But not with ZF, hell no, not again...And. Looking at assembly lines of big 3 I keep asking my self 2 questions: were are all people that take my money,(they are clearly not on assembly line anymore) and If these truck are built by PLC robots, why those trucks cost that much...
@@andrymashka1757 Seems like Quality control is a lost art these days. Too bad. No wonder Toyota still sells a bunch of 20-year-old designed trucks.
You know they are Michiganders when they talk about going "up north"
What do they mean by that? I need to know 😂
Pretty much anywhere north of Grand Rapids MI haha
I was going to say Saginaw but Grand Rapids is fine too.
@@derekmunro5100 well I'm from the southwest corner so GR is kind of our standard over here ;)
@@mbaer5 If you go south, you end up in Ohio or Indiana, which isn't a vacation, LOL. I grew up longing for the times when we could head 'up north' to Mackinac, the Soo, da UP, etc. Miss those days.
I own a suburban 2500 with quadrasteer. I love it but i know when it breaks it will be impossible to fix as well as expensive. Glad to see a company keeping this going
Wouldn't buy it
And if u can't back up a trailer you shouldn't tow it.....
SouthernWulf I agree that man cant back up a truck and trailer if he’s life depended on it
Yeah but how do you learn then?
Plus, it's always fun watching folks struggle.
I would agree with you somewhat on that SouthernWulf, those can never grasp backing up trailer really have no business towing if they can not ever learn how it reacts when reversing, have encountered a few who sad they can never graso the physics, while I myself never had any problem learning it in a few minutes, though not all trailers handle the reversing in the same manner, the longer ones are easier to handle but more difficult in tight areas with limited turning space than shorter ones. Be it a tow behind or gooseneck or fifth wheel (commercial which I have experience operating) trailer, they all have the same dynamics when it comes to reversing, but unlike with the later a convention pull behind has a much more limited turning angle. dependent on the style of tongue it has be it a bar ot a frame which are the toughest to back up with only 60 degree or turning angle at best.
Another thing not shown here is off road performance. With my 2004 Denali in 2wheel steer my rear tires would track in the ruts on a mudy trail making control difficult. With 4 wheel steer the rear of the truck climbs out of ruts. This is why serious off road buggies have 4 wheel steer, it gives huge advantages. Also keeps the truck from going into roll over situations at high speeds. Lexus also has it and Cadilac for luxury purposes.
That was due to the track width difference between the front and rear. It looks like they have managed to keep track width the same between front and rear on this system.
jdla140 the track width does not keep you out of the ruts. At 4 inches you are 2 inches wider on each side. My rear tires were still in the rut. I tested it both ways so I know the difference. The rear end is active in 4 wheel steer and climbs out of the rut, way more control off roading. Just google 4 wheel steering dune buggies if you want to see the difference. Also Delphi fixed the track width in 2005 but the truck never went into production. At the start of the video it is shown. Mine was way cooler, I liked the wider track, because it was mild but had lights on the wider fender, cool looking and a bit more stable.
The Badge on that black truck was blacked out,,,,,,what was it, Nissan? Toyota? GMC? RAM? That blacked out emblem has truly fooled me, I’m totally at a loss!!! Maybe it’s the new Tesla truck! Well anyway I’m all for additional complexity and anything that makes our beloved pickup trucks even more unaffordable!!!
Thinking it's a Tesla truck not sure tho looks like one to me
You can black out the symbol but my seven year old son said thats an ugly Ford😂😂😂
@@poppyneese1811 sterling it is
the quadrasteer gm had was pretty reliable ! i think id be a cool feature
A VW maybe? : D
I had a 2017 F250, traded to 2018 F450 because I needed a dually. The higher HP and Torque isn't enough reason to upgrade to 2020, but I will absolutely upgrade as soon as they offer 4 wheel steering. That is easily the biggest, most important upgrade I can imagine.
pretty neat but when all this complicated stuff starts to fail with age it's going to be a nightmare to deal with for us guys that keep trucks for a long time.
don't see the problem; we have the stuff for years already and we don't have a problem with it
LMAO!!
GM could say been there done that...
I am loving this technology and cant wait to try it. I want it on my truck now.
Go buy an old gm they had it in the early 2000s
Honda had this in the either the late 80’s or early 90’s. The Honda Prelude had 4 wheel steering. A friend worked at a Honda dealer at the time, and the repair costs were high... and the frequency of vehicle accidents were disproportional to cars with out the 4 wheel steering. Owners and mechanics were crashing the prelude because they were familiar with how the steering reacted. If I remember correctly, the Prelude counter-steered at slow speed and at higher speeds, the rear wheels would turn in the same direction as the front but at a lower degree.
Honda has never made a truck, comparing a 30 year old car to a current truck is stupid.
Wow Sammy, I made no comparison between an old car and current technology......I simply stated knowledge of a prior rear wheel steering concept and the results of their attempt. I think you need to re-read my comment and have a cup of coffee... relax
There was handful of cars with rear steer. To my knowledge they only turned a couple degrees.
I bet it would rase pricing significantly on any pickup
It was a 3500 hundred package. You pay more for stickers and rims. What about safety, steering luxury control, towing, performance. More than worth it.
Thomas Paul yea this is gonna be an must have as a lot of people ha love trucks in city’s and suburbs. I could use it every day where I live.
That's about it!
Specially made for city boys that have no experience.
would be Great 4 towing
A guy I worked with had an 03 GMC with quadrasteer, he really needed it, he had a bass boat that he used every weekend during the summer. He also lived in a yuppie neighborhood on a culdisac. His previous truck was a four door f350 four wheel drive, he could never back it into his garage without running over the neighbors grass, the GMC fixed the problem.
This is more of a novelty than anything. I can’t see the perks ever being worth the price.
I don't think you understand what the word "novelty" means. I guess it would only be useful on those rare occasions when you turn the steering wheel?
edward nowak, I don’t think you understood my comment. Read it again and get back to me...
Maybe gimmick is a better word for it. It'd be nice to have but might not be worth the cost.
@Sno Man Did anyone say anything about it being a bad feature? I see nothing of the sort. Only about the cost and complexity...kinda why GM doesn't still offer it.
I'd buy this no questions asked. I see the potential applications and if it meant avoiding hazards or a devastating accident to me it's worth it.
Nope, something else that can break.
I suppose then you drive an aircooled VW?
Solo Sierra is what people said about distance sensors on bumpers and blind spot monitoring systems, and now they are pretty much the standard. From what this demo showed, it seems to be pretty well tested, I don't see luxury car companies putting the system on their vehicles if it was prone to failures. We have gone a long way from the first trucks that had quad steer to today's system, also ten speed transmittions another one that was criticized and now is on most new trucks, or the famous Eco boost engine, can't say it wasn't successful. Embrace innovation and if things break that is what warranties are for.
My sentiments exactly Solo! Antilock brakes was a good idea, quad steering on a light duty truck is not. It is good for an all-terrain fork lift though.
Where have you been? Gm and Honda had this years ago! The Honda system was awesome!!!
Ram partner up with them and put this on your trucks! You already have a relationship with them.
If any of the big 3 were to bring this as an option, I'd put my money on ram just for that reason.
God mercy...not another ZF component in Ram....
For those mentioning how GMC, did it first.
Do y’all even watch the video? They clearly acknowledge it in within the first minute.
And this is not a Ford system, they just use a Ford Truck as a platform to demonstrate the system further developed by ZF. This system can be applied to any truck through ZF.
For those claiming it will never make it further into market, luxury vehicles (such as Audi) continued the option since the concept’s first inception in the 80s.
The reason why it’s considered a possible future feature is with consideration of full industry adoption. Basically becoming a standard option. Lots of people said the same thing about projector beam headlights, and now they’re everywhere.
This thing isn’t some gimmick like Dodge Barn Door tailgates. This re-innovation show’s promising performance improvement that can be added to already non-bias existing platforms. The further this develops, the less it will cost, and the more standard it will become.
I wish those stating the obvious on the history of "so and so did this back in years ago" actually watched and listened to what he mentions in the first two minutes, instead of just getting to their point while the video is in progress. They seem to just hear but not ever LISTEN with their hearing, and yet some people wonder why I never listen despite I really do listen and I just do not have a care or a response to what they are discussing with me or if they asked me a question.
Can anyone tell me what truck this is? I can't tell with all the badges covered up. ;)
Honda Ridgeline
Milk truck
Kenworth
Jags r/whooooosh
Looks like a mailbox to me
I have a quadrasteer gmc 2004. It's awesome
They want to give us this Rube Goldberg nightmare. How about a transmission dipstick? Don’t they make the 8-speed transmission for Ram?
The transmission is sealed for life...150,000 miles on that before needs changing.
Needs to be changed every 30k miles. Check out Scotty Kilmer. Fluid is cheap. Metal is expensive.
@@theirthereandtheyre2947 scotty kilmer is a hack and and idiot. Dont take advice from someone that cant even clean their garage.
Nicholas Livoti it does not need fluid changed every 30k miles. I work at ZF, we have an 8 speed in a Grand Cherokee with about 250k miles on it, and has never had the fluid changed.
I traded out of a 2014 Ram 1500 with the 8 speed transmission. I bought it brand new and began to shift very roughly after 4 months. Dealer claimed it was low on fluid from the factory. If you have to cross your fingers and hope it was filled correctly at the factory, how is that better engineering than being able to check it yourself at a gas station? Even though the Ram got really good mileage and had a smooth ride the fluid issue ruined the ownership experience. Chevy has a rough ride I must admit.
I remember GM having done this in the late 90s (it was called quadristeer?); it worked, it was great, but it's only fault was that it wasn't cost-effective. I'm glad it's back though!
2000s
I've been hoping GM would bring back 4 wheel steering.
me too! i had one. it was awesome
They probably will they can't keep one design long enough!
Im all for it!!! New technology putting in work! I love that it's not just rear steering like the old gmc/chevy had. Safety comes 1st! Now what is the price!!!???
Andre, was ZF around when Nissan had their 4-wheel "HICAS" steering on their 1990 300ZX?
Visibility of parking lines is first (I’m still sticking on autozone convex mirrors on every car so I can park between the line ( at least on both of ‘em
More to maintain without justification.
Learn to drive and slow down.
THose who once or still do own a quad steer GM truck or other make with aws system, are all saying there is very little problems of maintaining or any issue with the steering system failing on its won means.
My 05 Quadrasteer was awesome 👏🏼
Yay more ball joints to replace!
LoL, it's still a straight axle. No ball joints there. Now wheel hub assemblies, yes. The "stance" bro's will have rear wheels falling off now, too.
Jeremy Schoeder nice try but straight axles with steering also have ball joints. That’s why they can pivot
@@CmonsterFreak Those are called king pins. Vastly different and superior to an IFS ball joint.
Jeremy Schoeder The straight axles in the front of ram and ford heavy duty trucks still use ball joints rather than kingpins for example. kingpins are mainly used in really heavy duty applications and they still have their fair share of problems.
@@CmonsterFreak I stand corrected, thank you. I still suspect that ball joints confined to a single axis of movement will hold up better than an IFS configuration. Do HD Ram and Ford owners replace ball joints as often as IFS trucks?
The ecoboost has had rear steering since it came out in 2011...it’s the skinny pedal on the right
This is not the full truth! The F-150 hàs anti-sway and antilock brakes. Obviously, these guys have overridden both of Ford's really excellent systems.
I like this program TFL , And I think TFL guys sometimes should listen to the fans and bring any car TFL fans want , Good luck TFL
Future? You mean catching up? GM did this a long time ago. Not a big seller.
Mentioned it was offered by GM in the first minute of video.
Yeah anything that can help maneuver a truck in a tight spot is very welcomed.
Great one Andre love to see Ford and others use this system would help tremendously . Next step for pick up maneuverability.
HAHAHA, GM did this in 2002 nothing new here.
@@akemonjames just making it alot better because GM sucks so bad.
@@patmason7276 if you say so..
@@akemonjames yes I think I did say so. Help people that can't handle the truth.
@@patmason7276 lol, once again. If you say so...
I couldn’t imagine a truck with 8 ball joints and 2 more cv/u-joints, especially from Chevy.
Didn't the GMC trucks try this for a brief time and it flopped???
So ZF is making transmissions and steering systems? 💰 💰!!
Funny how they're using a Ford and not another GM product😂
Marcus Coyle if the did it on another gm people would just think it’s the same thing and not buy it
The problem was gm didnt really market it just like the SS, in 04 it was only a $2000 option
That’s why I like my old boat trailer turned into a utility trailer. The hitch is really long and it’s stable.
Some day there should be electric cars with wheels that can turn 90 degrees so the car can go sideways in or out of a parking space.
Why were you looking over your shoulder when backing up and not using your mirrors?
Rookie mistake
I use both but most of the time were I'm backing up the mirrors dont help as in the truck is not in line with the trailer but if its just the truck than the mirrors help get really close to the other vehicles
Large medium duty straight trucks with tandem and tri-axles offered this on the front tandem, although it would only turn the front rear wheels in the same direction as the front wheels to make it easier to maneuver corners.
Production cars like Honda offered this in the the late 1980's. Subaru had it on the SVX in the early 90's. It was the future years ago.
The benefits didn't outweigh the added weight and cost back then. With electric power steering becoming the norm, they can probably make it cheaper and lighter now.
There is definitely a benefit to larger vehicles like large SUV's and pickup trucks when it comes to getting around town and parking.
Chevy already did this people in the early 2000s! I wonder why they discontinued production 🤔
Jason Becker - it was a $4,000 option. In the early 2000’s. Additionally, have you ever driving a quadtrasteer?
Great idea, but the front and rear axle were totally different teams. Felt like two completely different vehicles.
It's expensive and very few people bought it.
When it fails, hard to replace and fine parts. Sad really
Don't forget that the Prelude had rear steering as well.
So additional complexity in the rear , more u joints more maintenance parts???? Is it worth the minuscule convenience gains???
I drove a couple of the quadsteer GM trucks back when they were new. I liked it a lot. The best thing was the outstanding close quarters maneuverability of it. It just flat out worked great. I was disappointed it was a market failure. I was hoping it would make it to the suburban.
Ford: turbo v6 is the future!
Gm: yea we remember the 80's
Ford: rear steer is the future
Gm: yea the 2000's were fun
Ha ha I know it's all different systems now, just wanted to laugh. When ford does it, get's all the praise. When GM does it, get's all the critics.
TheGreazmonky You must not have watched the video. Next time you should watch the video first comment second. You will seem smarter that way.
Normal people:
Drifters: It needs an angle kit!
NOPE...i only see more stuff it could break down...
Many owners of GM system here saying they never had any problems with quadsteer since they bought one for themselves.
As soon as that guy said" we're well known for our transmissions" and showed a ram I knew it was going to break easily and be junk..
ZF made the god-awful tranny for the Jeep Renegade, too
Gm had that on there trucks in the early 2k ....
Ya they mentioned it at the beginning of the vid
This should be a option, for future trucks. Safety is key!
TODD BARK what is so safe about a quad steer besides it turns sharper? It didn’t take off the first time either