A lot of people seem to misunderstand the significance of this scene. Batman doesn't let superman live just because their mothers' both have the same name he let's him go because when Lois says that Martha is superman's mother it humanisies superman in batman 's eyes. He no longer see him as an alien but as a human being who has lost just as much as he has.
@@utbe not to mention how he also already lost Jason Todd to the Joker prior to Supes debute. He has every reason to be paranoid. Especially considering how he's already encountered the penguin beforehand.
@@senorgato4273 then he's the stupidest batman ever. Cause the batman i know didnt killed joker even when jason died or red hood forced him to do . Because if he will kill joker would win . All that rivalry of 80 years is to let batman cross that line
"I bet your parents taught you that you mean something, that you're here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson: Dying in the gutter, for no reason at all." That line gets me everytime
"You're not brave. Men are brave." Then Superman, thinking he's about to die, uses his last breath not to beg for his own life but for someone else's. A selfless act that proves he IS brave.
That’s why we’re going to see Clark’s sacrifice from Bruce’s perspective in The Snyder Cut. It’s then that we are going to see that Bruce was wrong, that Superman is brave because he didn’t sacrifice himself for his own sake, but to save his home and everyone in it.
Wanna realize something else? Many superheroes names and last names start with the same letter. Some examples: Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, and many others :)
Guess DC ran out of funds. 2 heroes, both orphans, both mother's have the same name. Flash is also a hero... and an orphan. DC'S guide to become a hero.
@@DUKETACTICS333 30%???? More like 90 minimum. There were 2 or 3 good scenes in this movie, and even those were done better in pretty much ANY DC animation.
"You were never even a man!" The way Bruce's lips trembled when he said that. Affleck perfectly captured the absolute rage and disgust Batman felt in that moment towards Superman. Man I love this movie so much. Highly recommend the Ultimate Edition for those who haven't watched it yet. It's an amazing film.
bro batman the biggest bitch in the dc universe has to come in a armored suit, use his technology and use kryptonite to defeat superman like bro why challenge him in the first place if you can’t take him on without all that shit like bro superman was even trying to explain what was happening before batman started doing shit maybe if batman wouldn’t be such a bitch and start listening things would’ve gone better
Well, superman is so dumb then.. If i was him, i will just go far away. Flyinh at full speed and just... Hit batman or I'll just laser him up all the battle
"You were never a god. You were never even a man." is such a good line and Affleck's delivery is phenomenal. His little tremble towards the end of the line perfectly captures Batman's genuine anger and hate. Truly fantastic dialogue and acting
"I want you to remember that, I wanted to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in your most private moments, I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
I think they could have saved this fight for the end of DCEU but no they just went with half baked charchter of batmanl who just want to fight an alien who destroyed his office .
I'm not a huge fan of BVS. I think it's alright but also underrated. This scene at 1:52 however is very powerful and very well done in my opinion. It really reflects on Batman's childhood memories while also reflecting on Superman's.
@@johncook9392 Yeah, I agree. My biggest concern was that there's no reason why Superman couldn't just tell Batman about Martha. He wasted sooo much time fighting Batman when he could've simply said "Lex has my mom, can you help me save her and stop Lex." He just keeps fighting and of course he finally opens his mouth right before he's about to die.
3:45 It's very true whenever someone says a name which can mean so much to us, we will be taken back to memories lane, for a moment being the exact person we were in our past. So here, batman after hearing his mom's name became the child who badly misses his mom.
For those who didn't know why Batman didn't kill Superman. Batman: Why did you say that name..?? Lois Lane: It's his mother's name..!! (The Moment Batman realised Superman is not a threat he has also a family in earth to care. In his last moment he didn't try to save him self, rather only think about his mother)
@@filipecampos5123 Unlike comics in BvS Superman is the first alien that batman knows and superman is only showed up months ago. he thought its a normal alien from outer space so he decided to take him down. and if we tried to make characters comic accurate as possible maybe it wont work movies and comics are different genre.
Regardless of how you guys twist it, it was poorly written and executed, don't get me wrong, I loved the movie, but that particular scene was cringe. what actually should have happened is that Batman kills Superman, but then he slowly comes to realization that his emotions and childhood trauma, made him what he was trying to fight all his life, in denial and regret he tries to redeem himself and save the world at the same time, while he assembles Justice League he later insists on using mother cube to try and revive Superman, basically story would connect to whatever happened in Justice League. that's how the story should have gone and if I random dude on internet came up with such idea, i'm pretty sure Zack could have done something better, than OH WOW YOUR MOM'S NAME IS MARTHA TOO? WELL AIGHT WE GUCCI THEN.
@Max so the only difference is he goes through with killing Superman? Bro... wtf are you talking about? If this was poorly written then your version should be entirely different. I feel as if ppl who say this was written poorly are either incapable of understanding this scene or they were rooting for Batman to kill Superman. Your version of how this should've went down was copied directly from Snyder's and only changed one thing. You're so stupid.
@@doesnotreallymatterr "I'm forming a lea-" "Hey aren't you the guy that murdered Superman?" That's how this would go. The Martha scene was bad, but Batman murdering Superman is exponentially worse. That is in no way redeemable.
I love it when Batman realizes what he's become and what he was about to do... If only they could have done that scene better with Martha... But Batman realization on how he got to a point where he is like that guy behind the gun that killed his mother... That was really awesome. The look on his face.
Batman has killed in that universe, Idk if you meant that in the " What he was about to do " or not but you can see he shoots, blows up and even tortures ( branding ) criminals.
@@belyorn3283 yeah Batman went wild in this movie, honestly I think it made sense Dude had been Batman for like 40 years or something by this point, I’d just kill whoever was in my way too lmfao
Batfleck is the definitive live action Batman. Keaton and Bale were great but they have nothing on Affleck. Let's hope Pattinson can be half as good as Affleck
@@rushikeshgondkar2438 Thank God they do because the fans are complete idiots. In the late 80's Warner Bros. was peppered with angry letters about Keaton's casting which went on to be great. Then they angrily reacted to Heath Ledger being announced as Joker and that is possibly the best acting performance in a super her movie ever. More recently they hated Pattison being cast and that movie is one of the best. Meanwhile, these Affleck films are just ridiculously terrible and stupid.
I know everyone makes fun of the scene but i liked the Martha scene. It’s very good. It shows that Batman is still in pain over the death of his parents and the more he thinks about that night, the angrier he gets. It was a traumatic experience and he lost his mind like he was having a PTSD attack. Amazing.
The Martha scene is such a meme, but also such a powerful scene at the same time. I know the significance of that scene, it’s not about them sharing the same mother’s name, it’s about Batman realizing that he was about to become someone he tried so hard to fight , the one who killed his mother. The name Martha was only a trigger, not the whole reason.
Remember, Batman wanted to kill Superman because he saw a danger for mankind if he goes wild. He willingly wanted to become a murderer just for the sake of saving mankind. For me this moment it's more about Batman realizing that this guy had a mum, who loves him, and that he loves his mum, and that Superman is indeed still Clark, who behaves like a human and loves mankind. Why kill such a powerful being which is dedicated to help mankind?
Am I the only one that picked up what Clark was (probably) trying to say, around 3:29 - "You're letting him kill Martha", but after that. Kind of a choked khhh, like he was maybe trying to say Martha Kent?
i love how batman was holding the sink like it was some sort of super weapon. maybe he heard musk delivering the line "let this sink in" and was inspired
This Batman and the story is based off Frank Miller’s comic and the animated movie from years ago - search “The Dark Knight Returns” and you’ll see it; Batman comes out of retirement and fights Superman and the Joker one final time.
Listen closely its "you are letting him kill martha" Basically reminds him of the thug who killed martha, his mother. And he realizing that he is becaming that thug. Batmans goes "why did you say thet name ?! " prolly to make sure he is not getting manipulated. Lois clarifies its his mother and then batman loses it cuz he was gonna deny another child his mom like he got denied... The whole reason of his existence ... To stop that from happenning to anyone else.
1:54 the voice changer that batman use to deepen hisvoice is not functioning well because superman slightly destroyed batman's helmet great attention to detail
0:13 That punch would have gone through the mask, through the head and into the floor if it wasn’t for the kryptonite. Superman was actually trying to kill Batman.
LOL what about before the kryptonite? you batman fanbois are something else bro. Batman is cool as heck, but ud be a little strange in the head to think superman was trying to kill him xD
@@DarthFattest i have no idea who you mean by "they" if youre talking about the cast, then they said that superman was being nice and thats the only reason affleck survived pretty much.
I would say that superman was actually trying to kill the bat. Before this fight superman told his girlfriend he was going to ask for batmans help, but if that didn't work then he'd have to kill him.
People say this Batman was too dark, but what do you expect if this Batman has being fighting for 20 years in Gotham. God knows what this Batman has seen in that time
@Kanley West yep, among Batman's gadgets is the "stick my feet so securely to the floor that this huge centrifugal force won't slide me". He just has to remember to deploy the "reinforce flooring so it doesn't just peel off on my boots" gadget first.
I like how this fight just shows that Batman is no longer that hero and he’s now a true villain . That Batman who had empathy and cared about the citizens of Gotham and the belief that criminals can be reformed has been locked away by his dark side, his Batman persona. He harms the criminals and kills them and he doesn’t seem to care about the victims as much anymore, but when Clark says Martha, he suddenly realizes that he’s become exactly or even worse then the man who killed his parents. So by the end he starts changing back to his old self again. Sure he still kills people in the end of the film but he’s back being the Batman who protects the people and in the end with Lex, he doesn’t brand him. He’s no longer the judge, the jury, and the executioner. As much as I don’t like Batman killing people, I like how Zack illustrated this dark idea in this film and I hope in the ZSJL, he becomes fully the Batman who never kills again.
This is what I don’t like, Bruce Wayne is the only character that is incorruptible. A man with a code, that he almost never breaks. Even in the comics he maintains that persona, even if he manages to break it one or twice, he always shows remorse and regrets. This cut of Batman is vengeful and filled with rage and murder. That’s not the true Batman
@@Annonymos118 Thing is, there are plenty of versions of Batman that kill and don't feel regret for it. In the comics, Batman is indirectly and at times directly responsible for the deaths of countless people, because he keeps the Joker alive. Realistically, Bruce would eventually change his ways after losing so much, he would start to think "Maybe killing isn't such a bad idea." Alfred in this movie actually addresses this problem that Bruce has, that he's changed and that he's not the hero he used to be, that he's been corrupted (Batman is just a man after all).
It only makes sense if you assume Clark is a moron. He keeps saying “wait, you don’t understand!” but then he never actually explains. He just fights, and then acts shocked when Bruce fights back. And “save Martha” means nothing. If this was really happening, he’d say “save Martha Kent.” There are a lot of Martha’s in the world, and he STILL hasn’t communicated to Bruce that there’s a hostage situation in progress. If he’d just taken two seconds to TALK, the whole scene could have been avoided. But instead he fights while insisting he doesn’t want to fight, he makes nonsensical statements that compound the confusion rather than clearing it up, and then he desperately cries out with just enough information to confuse Bruce without actually doing enough to “save Martha.” If Lois hadn’t shown up with her Basic Communication Skills, both Clark and Martha would have died. For no reason other than, “if we’d written the scene competently, we couldn’t have had this badass albeit pointless fight scene!”
@@alexanderwinn9407so even if the scene DID work and batman realized that clark was a man with a mother named martha just like him making him realize he’s about to kill a person, against everything batman stands against, the scene is immediately ruined when batman fuckin machine gun turrets like five dudes in the mf batplane literally the next scene
Because superman wouldnt say save his mom cause he knew batman wont save a mom of an alien，so he separate himself with his mother by calling a human name.
Funny fact: Batman will kill non humans because they aren’t alive. He ripped out Grundy’s heart and burned Dracula, so he probably would have killed him after that line seeing how edgy he was in this.
this scene is so powerfull that everytime I watch this , tears come from my eyes, the moment Batman relives his Loss, realizes that superman too has feelings ...just stunning
2:31 I still wonder where they started fight and fallen some another place fighting and then suddenly batman takes the kryptonite staff from that place, wait…! does batman know where they going to end the fight so that he placed the staff before fight, how is that even makes sense wow great screenplay…hats off 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Not many people understood the Martha scene for Bruce he realised he was becoming what he has fought his whole life while also learning Superman was more human than him
“I bet your parents taught you, that you mean something.. That you’re here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson .. dying in the gutter for no reason at all.” Superman: Ahhhhh!!! uhhh😖 “They told me the world only makes sense if you force it to.” BATMAN 😎😎😎
Batman has lost all his principles, which defines as men, as he grew old Superman, on the other hand, still has that humanity inside him, even at that time when he was about to die, Incredible plot❤️
I believe and tell me if I’m wrong Bruce here is telling Superman your hurting people either you know or you don’t I’m here to tell you that it needs to end and Superman “ knows that since he’s there it brings a huge threat to earth but Superman is over confident thinking he can’t be beaten untill Batman gives him a wake up call and pretty much tells him
@@JokersHunt na thats a fair take to a point. Like at first obviously superman isnt stressing about being hurt, but even after he does get hurt and realises that batman has kryptonite he still doesnt try to kill him. he held back the entire fight, while batman used everything tho.
@@RustyIsScared After getting shocked by Kryptonite, Clark was never in a position to even remotely kill Batman. That doesn't mean he was holding back. In the beginning, Clark tried to reason and when that didn't work he momentarily became arrogant like a Kryptonian. However, he's more humane than Zod and his soldiers.
@@nathanluna6765 idk, most of the first captian america film I guess. Marvel's not so great either though Unless you count marvel characters in films by other studios (like Blade or Spiderman)
Leland211st before: your ALIEN parents send you here for make you a Hero after: wait you have HUMAN parents that grown you here as a human for deacades ???
@kavikiru kavikiru that isn’t what Batman was thinking he thought Superman was only an image by someone external to humanity not a real person that can empathize with us
@kavikiru kavikiru well not for Batman, his first time seeing Superman was in the middle of the battle against the kriptonians that transformed a kid in an orphan with the same trauma of Bruce when he was a kid so he hates Superman also for all the family destroyed in the attack
Plot armor. Supes can move just slightly slower than the flash. Doesnt matter how good bats quipment is. Laser vision, super speed, strength. He could literally swoop up batman and fly him into space in like 2 seconds and itd be OVER. Enough of this "ma bAtMan PrEp tIme" bullshit
just like superman could literally tear batman apart In 0.003 nano seconds if he wanted to. The only reason why batman even managed to land a single hit is because superman is literally the walking embodiment of "Kindness"
@@patrikbros8242 No you're dumb as fuck. Christian Bale is an actually good Batman instead of this edgy dumbass we got with JL who is just a billionaire Playboy who beats up anyone and everyone because he can.
No you interpreted it incorrectly. It means that Superman is still caring to save Martha instead of saving his own life & then Batman knew that he's actually a hero.
I had the blessing of seeing this movie only now recently, and in the Ultimate Edition format (have not seen and will not see the theatrical). The Martha moment that gets shredded by critics and some fans was highly impactful and emotional for me. Snyder is a genius.
Ben's acting in this scene doesn't get enough credit. Even partially concealed by the cowl, the look on Bruce's face as he realizes he is about to destroy a family so similarly to how Joe Chill destroyed his own is so impactful and moving. #BATMANvSUPERMAN
You guys don't get it don't you. The reason why batman reacted like that when superman said her name was because it clearly reminded him why he became the batman in the first place. It made realize that killing is what a criminal does and his purpose as the batman is to stop violence and not kill like one of them.
Oh please. Most people got it. As if it wasn't obvious enough with the flashback. Its still a stupid line and to top it all off, Louis came in to tell us "its his mother's name". Clearly they don't understand a little subtlety can go a long way. Also the killing part isn't true since he later murders the criminals holding Martha captive
Code Pizza, Ok the killing part may be true but that line isn't a stupid way to bring closure to the fight. Besides, you gotta understand the message that this scene is sending.
one of the most embarrassing moments in the history of superhero films, I was a child when I saw it at the cinema for the first time and I remember that even at the time I started laughing out of embarrassment, seeing it again today gives me the same sensations
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A lot of people seem to misunderstand the significance of this scene. Batman doesn't let superman live just because their mothers' both have the same name he let's him go because when Lois says that Martha is superman's mother it humanisies superman in batman 's eyes. He no longer see him as an alien but as a human being who has lost just as much as he has.
thank you, they are all just dumb
M Harish sup fucking destroy a city and Bruce was there, i think that’s enough to see that “Not Human”s potential
@@utbe not to mention how he also already lost Jason Todd to the Joker prior to Supes debute. He has every reason to be paranoid. Especially considering how he's already encountered the penguin beforehand.
@@senorgato4273 then he's the stupidest batman ever. Cause the batman i know didnt killed joker even when jason died or red hood forced him to do . Because if he will kill joker would win . All that rivalry of 80 years is to let batman cross that line
Bro...what...he is based off of the dark Knight returns storyline, what are you smoking..
When Batman said ..." The world only make sense if you force it to"...
I felt it
When batman said "its batman time"
I felt it
@@generalbaguette3489 when batman said "it’s battin time", i felt that
Right? Now I'm gonna go force my crush to have sex with me. It only make sense.
@@RihamPlayz When batman said "it’s battin time", I felt that
When batman said, ‘its morbin time’ i felt that
That awkward moment when you realize you've become the one thing you spent your entire life trying to stop.
This guy gets it
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yeah
Preach my friend
THIS GUY GETS IT
"I bet your parents taught you that you mean something, that you're here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson: Dying in the gutter, for no reason at all." That line gets me everytime
Actually it was the world only makes sense if you force it to.
Just to clear up, that isn’t the lesson itself, but how they taught him the lesson. The lesson was the world only makes sense if you force it to
@@videon6134 actually it was HIS opinion, not yours.
"You're not brave. Men are brave."
Then Superman, thinking he's about to die, uses his last breath not to beg for his own life but for someone else's. A selfless act that proves he IS brave.
That’s why we’re going to see Clark’s sacrifice from Bruce’s perspective in The Snyder Cut. It’s then that we are going to see that Bruce was wrong, that Superman is brave because he didn’t sacrifice himself for his own sake, but to save his home and everyone in it.
he can read brain(dumbo childish superhero), he just bargained better for his life
xD
@@thereality309 Uhhh what?
@@thereality309 i bet you're 11
Yea but knowing you can’t be hurt by anything means it’s not hard to be brave
It took until this movie for me to realize their mothers have the same name.
Same
Wanna realize something else? Many superheroes names and last names start with the same letter. Some examples: Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Bruce Banner, Peter Parker, and many others :)
@Kuncu I an pretty sure it's Clark Kent
DudeRudeBoy yeah and tony stark and steve rogers,
Guess DC ran out of funds. 2 heroes, both orphans, both mother's have the same name. Flash is also a hero... and an orphan. DC'S guide to become a hero.
This movie had sooo much potential, it wasn’t 100% wasted but it surely wasn’t 100% used
It was 65% wasted
Better yet 30% wasted that's probably exactly right.
@array s no, it would be worse. Snyder is a great director.
@@DUKETACTICS333 30%????
More like 90 minimum.
There were 2 or 3 good scenes in this movie, and even those were done better in pretty much ANY DC animation.
That's the Superhero Movies joke of the year, the Russos can't be wrong
"You were never even a man!" The way Bruce's lips trembled when he said that. Affleck perfectly captured the absolute rage and disgust Batman felt in that moment towards Superman. Man I love this movie so much. Highly recommend the Ultimate Edition for those who haven't watched it yet. It's an amazing film.
I mean, Its pretty badly written, Batman wouldnt actually beat super man in any case but box office and fans would have gone crazy if he did.
@@Lachofig i mean, he could because its not real and they can do whatever they want.
With Superman’s weakness he would.
It is like the most badly written batman film with a disappointing actor as batman but whatever, kids will say bullshit
bro batman the biggest bitch in the dc universe has to come in a armored suit, use his technology and use kryptonite to defeat superman like bro why challenge him in the first place if you can’t take him on without all that shit like bro superman was even trying to explain what was happening before batman started doing shit maybe if batman wouldn’t be such a bitch and start listening things would’ve gone better
"In all the years to come, in your most private moments, i want you to remember the one man who beat you"
Batman might have beat him, but as he didn't do deliver the finishing blow, Superman ended up winning.
Bruce, your heart...
Martha is the strongest DC character..
Change my mind
@@dahoodinie3950 she raised an alien child and worked a farm for 16 years after her husband died. Why would anyone disagree with that?
@@Pikashades agree
Superman: if I wanted it you'd already be dead.
Batman: yeah, and if I wanted it I'd pull out the kryptonite sooner
😂😂😂
so true 😂😂😂😂
He wouldn't, because box office money.
Jonathan Quintero omg you had me right there 😂😂😂
Well, superman is so dumb then.. If i was him, i will just go far away. Flyinh at full speed and just... Hit batman or I'll just laser him up all the battle
By the time he reached for it he woulda been dead let’s be real
*"Bucky...is... alive!!"*
Gotta love it, the Russos were likely poking fun at this scene.
Beda server goblok 😩
@@nahor88 how tf. lmao. That is overstretching it.
Noooooooo!!!
Omg... Shut up! 🤦🏻♂️
"You were never a god. You were never even a man." is such a good line and Affleck's delivery is phenomenal. His little tremble towards the end of the line perfectly captures Batman's genuine anger and hate. Truly fantastic dialogue and acting
I love how Superman in what he thought were his last moments was worried about his loved ones more then himself
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Its just
Which was just an additional point that Clark was indeed a human - he cares for others and Bruce realizes it
i loves superman for that reason
Hes the perfect super hero, Superman is the OG good guy
"I want you to remember that, I wanted to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in your most private moments, I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
The dark Knight returns was soooo much better
I think they could have saved this fight for the end of DCEU but no they just went with half baked charchter of batmanl who just want to fight an alien who destroyed his office .
@@Nobody-pv5jt I don't get it - all the exposition Snyder put in there to justify the fight, and morons like you still say dumb shit like this.
@@Nobody-pv5jt thank WB for that. I think we were supposed to get a solo batfleck movie but they rushed it..
- Bruce, your heart !
-"Say my name"
-"Martha?"
-"You're goddamn right."
I'm not a huge fan of BVS. I think it's alright but also underrated. This scene at 1:52 however is very powerful and very well done in my opinion. It really reflects on Batman's childhood memories while also reflecting on Superman's.
Move is woke trash 🚮
@@walterwhite1 what was woke about it? i can understand thinking it was trash, but it wasnt woke at all. try again.
Nah, this movie was shit. Could have been SOOOO much better!
@@johncook9392 told you it was shit 💩
@@johncook9392 Yeah, I agree. My biggest concern was that there's no reason why Superman couldn't just tell Batman about Martha. He wasted sooo much time fighting Batman when he could've simply said "Lex has my mom, can you help me save her and stop Lex." He just keeps fighting and of course he finally opens his mouth right before he's about to die.
Batman: You were never a god. You were never even a man.
Goddamn, Ben Affleck is such a great Batman. People have got to stop saying he sucked.
Pretty Boy Tactical Agree to disagree.
@Pretty Boy Tactical affleck had more muscle than bale.
@Pretty Boy Tactical bales good but batfleck would kill bales batmans bane
@Pretty Boy Tactical not everyone thinks like u. Besides batfleck looks more comiclike than bales
Well, it was better than George Clooney's.
Superman: martha
Batman: dammit my one weakness
Shut up no one asked for your opinión
Well it’s not really an opinion if it’s a joke
R/wooosh
@@googlecorn1410 you can shut up to!
@@master-ri5kq I don't give a shit, it wasnt funny
"There's only one God, ma'am! And He doesn't dress like that!" --Captain America
God N' Country fuck cap he took steroids
@person below me is gay sound's like the way rocket speaks 😂
Captain America(actually meets Asgardian Gods) "There's only one God, ma'am!
Thor - Am i a joke to you😂
@Casey Morgan marvel is better and it's the hard truth
3:45 It's very true whenever someone says a name which can mean so much to us, we will be taken back to memories lane, for a moment being the exact person we were in our past. So here, batman after hearing his mom's name became the child who badly misses his mom.
And on top of that he could see he was now the thug with the gun in the alley.
For those who didn't know why Batman didn't kill Superman.
Batman: Why did you say that name..??
Lois Lane: It's his mother's name..!!
(The Moment Batman realised Superman is not a threat he has also a family in earth to care. In his last moment he didn't try to save him self, rather only think about his mother)
batman is so stupid that realised it only at the last second? he know evererything about clark, this movie has the worst history ever made
@@filipecampos5123 Unlike comics in BvS Superman is the first alien that batman knows and superman is only showed up months ago. he thought its a normal alien from outer space so he decided to take him down. and if we tried to make characters comic accurate as possible maybe it wont work movies and comics are different genre.
Regardless of how you guys twist it, it was poorly written and executed, don't get me wrong, I loved the movie, but that particular scene was cringe. what actually should have happened is that Batman kills Superman, but then he slowly comes to realization that his emotions and childhood trauma, made him what he was trying to fight all his life, in denial and regret he tries to redeem himself and save the world at the same time, while he assembles Justice League he later insists on using mother cube to try and revive Superman, basically story would connect to whatever happened in Justice League. that's how the story should have gone and if I random dude on internet came up with such idea, i'm pretty sure Zack could have done something better, than OH WOW YOUR MOM'S NAME IS MARTHA TOO? WELL AIGHT WE GUCCI THEN.
@Max so the only difference is he goes through with killing Superman? Bro... wtf are you talking about? If this was poorly written then your version should be entirely different. I feel as if ppl who say this was written poorly are either incapable of understanding this scene or they were rooting for Batman to kill Superman. Your version of how this should've went down was copied directly from Snyder's and only changed one thing. You're so stupid.
@@doesnotreallymatterr "I'm forming a lea-"
"Hey aren't you the guy that murdered Superman?"
That's how this would go. The Martha scene was bad, but Batman murdering Superman is exponentially worse. That is in no way redeemable.
Batman: *Able to defeat Superman*
Darkseid: ;-;
My goodness hahahahaha xD Batman may try taking a bit of Darkseid too if he can!
@@NickFamzi Batman actually just straight up kills Darkseid in the comics,.
@@vrhehdbd3453 Ah I see, hopefully in the DCEU soon then.
@@NickFamzi Yeah, but then Darkseid's omega beams shot him in the head and sent him back in time. He was thought to be dead.
@@lordofthesithvader9430 True for that!
I love it when Batman realizes what he's become and what he was about to do... If only they could have done that scene better with Martha... But Batman realization on how he got to a point where he is like that guy behind the gun that killed his mother... That was really awesome. The look on his face.
Great insight!
Batman has killed in that universe, Idk if you meant that in the " What he was about to do " or not but you can see he shoots, blows up and even tortures ( branding ) criminals.
@@belyorn3283 yeah Batman went wild in this movie, honestly I think it made sense
Dude had been Batman for like 40 years or something by this point, I’d just kill whoever was in my way too lmfao
@Cheese5172 20 years. He mentioned it to Alfred in the movie. I forgot which scene he said it in since I haven't watched this movie in about 6 years.
@@Cxncubine 20
Batman truly proves that its easy to be brave when nothing can hurt you
Even with another 20 Batman movies, this brutal Affleck Batman will live forever in franchise memory. Hopefully as the best ever.
BEN AFFLECK BATMAN IS WHAT WE ALL WANT TO SEE MORE OF IT... BUT SADLY WARNER BROS. LOVE TO FUCK WITH FANS' EMOTIONS..😶😶
Batfleck is the definitive live action Batman. Keaton and Bale were great but they have nothing on Affleck. Let's hope Pattinson can be half as good as Affleck
@@rushikeshgondkar2438 Thank God they do because the fans are complete idiots.
In the late 80's Warner Bros. was peppered with angry letters about Keaton's casting which went on to be great. Then they angrily reacted to Heath Ledger being announced as Joker and that is possibly the best acting performance in a super her movie ever. More recently they hated Pattison being cast and that movie is one of the best.
Meanwhile, these Affleck films are just ridiculously terrible and stupid.
You have to be smoking crack. Both movies he was in are laughably terrible.
Lmao, ya'll are fucking delusional if you actually believe this bullshit
I know everyone makes fun of the scene but i liked the Martha scene. It’s very good. It shows that Batman is still in pain over the death of his parents and the more he thinks about that night, the angrier he gets. It was a traumatic experience and he lost his mind like he was having a PTSD attack. Amazing.
This scene is Bullshit along with the whole movie.
@@manan612 xd
@@manan612 you’re buggin this scene is amazing
@Mr7Reality it’s only 4x
@Mr7Reality ok
Both Ben and Henry's acting in this scene is off the charts. Bvs is a wonderful movie
This movie is like sonic unleashed. Alot of people t!lking bout it's so amazing and alot talking about how it's horrible and shouldn't exist
I think Ben Affleck IS Bruce Wayne/Batman. Amazing.
Except for the last 30 minutes.
@@greenknight8668most of the haters are Marvel fan
I disagree with the second half, but no argument that both of them did a phenomenal job.
The Martha scene is such a meme, but also such a powerful scene at the same time. I know the significance of that scene, it’s not about them sharing the same mother’s name, it’s about Batman realizing that he was about to become someone he tried so hard to fight , the one who killed his mother. The name Martha was only a trigger, not the whole reason.
Always wonderful to see people who actually look past that meme and find the original and deeper meaning behind it. Cheers!
Exactly
That’s rlly deep.
Remember, Batman wanted to kill Superman because he saw a danger for mankind if he goes wild. He willingly wanted to become a murderer just for the sake of saving mankind.
For me this moment it's more about Batman realizing that this guy had a mum, who loves him, and that he loves his mum, and that Superman is indeed still Clark, who behaves like a human and loves mankind. Why kill such a powerful being which is dedicated to help mankind?
If it's not about having the same name then they could have used literally any other name and the scene would still work.
Am I the only one that picked up what Clark was (probably) trying to say, around 3:29 - "You're letting him kill Martha", but after that. Kind of a choked khhh, like he was maybe trying to say Martha Kent?
"As a God, How does it feel? to be looked down upon by a human?"
That's some Escanor right there 🤣😂
@@claw6376 0:24 no. I loved that armour.
kratos saying the same line to every god before killing them xD
@@shraddhabaswan5921 kratos is not a human, he never was.
@@shraddhabaswan5921 kratos is half god
0:51 Batman hitting Superman with éverything he's got, including the kitchen-sink!
i love how batman was holding the sink like it was some sort of super weapon. maybe he heard musk delivering the line "let this sink in" and was inspired
your logic? you have none!
@@MrDCHun well that that sink in!!😅
@@MrDCHun A simple spell, but unbreakable
well,Superman's as vulnerable as a human when exposed to kryptonite so even a sink can hurt him in this case
I still would have killed him.
4:50 LMFAO batman thought for a sec that his mom may have been cheating on his dad with a kryptonian 😂😂
Ooo ur mother ass
Eh 🌝
Ya that's what he was thinking... lmao wtf
yeah.. no
"WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!" Asked Batman calmly.
Batman is so dangerous 😅
Fans were mad because this Batman was too dark.
Fans were mad because Justice League Batman wasn’t dark enough.
Batffleck just couldn’t win.
Membarock no one was mad this was too dark. I think pretty much everyone agreed that this was how brutal batman is supposed to be
This Batman and the story is based off Frank Miller’s comic and the animated movie from years ago - search “The Dark Knight Returns” and you’ll see it; Batman comes out of retirement and fights Superman and the Joker one final time.
this batman is the worst detective
Bruh the Justice League Batman wasn't even Batman. Calling that Batman would be an insult.
They were made because he acted like a dumbass
Listen closely its "you are letting him kill martha"
Basically reminds him of the thug who killed martha, his mother. And he realizing that he is becaming that thug. Batmans goes "why did you say thet name ?! " prolly to make sure he is not getting manipulated. Lois clarifies its his mother and then batman loses it cuz he was gonna deny another child his mom like he got denied... The whole reason of his existence ... To stop that from happenning to anyone else.
@4:30 "Martha, why did you say that name?!" closing your eyes you can imagine batman say this easily. Awesome work on the voice!
1:06
Superman: how does my armpit smell batman?
Batman: argh ugh
😱😱😱🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂
Cringe
Superman doesn't sweat lol 😂
@@josed.mayorquin4895 R/WHOOOOOOOOSH😂😂😂😂
1:54 the voice changer that batman use to deepen hisvoice is not functioning well because superman slightly destroyed batman's helmet great attention to detail
"The world only makes sense if you force it to"
What a Quote!
0:13 That punch would have gone through the mask, through the head and into the floor if it wasn’t for the kryptonite. Superman was actually trying to kill Batman.
LOL what about before the kryptonite? you batman fanbois are something else bro. Batman is cool as heck, but ud be a little strange in the head to think superman was trying to kill him xD
@@RustyIsScared I have no idea what you're upset about, they literally said that Superman was trying to kill and would have if not for the kryptonite
@@DarthFattest i have no idea who you mean by "they" if youre talking about the cast, then they said that superman was being nice and thats the only reason affleck survived pretty much.
@@RustyIsScared the commenter.
I would say that superman was actually trying to kill the bat. Before this fight superman told his girlfriend he was going to ask for batmans help, but if that didn't work then he'd have to kill him.
That's why batman is my favorite super hero
People say this Batman was too dark, but what do you expect if this Batman has being fighting for 20 years in Gotham. God knows what this Batman has seen in that time
When you’re badass enough to the point you can drag Superman like a ragdoll then there’s no stopping you
1:21 when I see my test grade
2:08 what mom will do to you
@@drewbeans lmao
I’m your 100 like
Now 99 because someone unliked
3:25:
Superman: “Hail..... Hydra!”
Batman: ???
"Black and blue fight night"
"God versus Man"
"Day versus Night"
"Son Of Krypton Versus Bat Of Gotham
The greatest gladiator match in the history!
@@bruhman1508 *fight only lasts five minutes*
@@xgaming125g thats what reality looks like XD
1:45 "Dad, when I don't wakeup for school in the morning"
2:10 You spin me right round baby right round
@Kanley West yep, among Batman's gadgets is the "stick my feet so securely to the floor that this huge centrifugal force won't slide me". He just has to remember to deploy the "reinforce flooring so it doesn't just peel off on my boots" gadget first.
I dont care what people say, this movie was amazing in my opinion
its okay
I agree (and my son too), don't care about the critics, waiting for justice league snyder s cut
Peace from France
Ibrahim Ismail I’m with you
Same
It definitely could’ve been better
I like how this fight just shows that Batman is no longer that hero and he’s now a true villain . That Batman who had empathy and cared about the citizens of Gotham and the belief that criminals can be reformed has been locked away by his dark side, his Batman persona. He harms the criminals and kills them and he doesn’t seem to care about the victims as much anymore, but when Clark says Martha, he suddenly realizes that he’s become exactly or even worse then the man who killed his parents. So by the end he starts changing back to his old self again. Sure he still kills people in the end of the film but he’s back being the Batman who protects the people and in the end with Lex, he doesn’t brand him. He’s no longer the judge, the jury, and the executioner. As much as I don’t like Batman killing people, I like how Zack illustrated this dark idea in this film and I hope in the ZSJL, he becomes fully the Batman who never kills again.
Right
This is what I don’t like, Bruce Wayne is the only character that is incorruptible. A man with a code, that he almost never breaks. Even in the comics he maintains that persona, even if he manages to break it one or twice, he always shows remorse and regrets. This cut of Batman is vengeful and filled with rage and murder. That’s not the true Batman
@@Annonymos118 that's Why he stopped
@@Annonymos118 Thing is, there are plenty of versions of Batman that kill and don't feel regret for it. In the comics, Batman is indirectly and at times directly responsible for the deaths of countless people, because he keeps the Joker alive. Realistically, Bruce would eventually change his ways after losing so much, he would start to think "Maybe killing isn't such a bad idea." Alfred in this movie actually addresses this problem that Bruce has, that he's changed and that he's not the hero he used to be, that he's been corrupted (Batman is just a man after all).
Bro said batmnas no longer the executioner but he's still killing criminals.
These kind of takes belong with this movie. In the 🗑
I really don't get why people think this scene is bad. IT MAKES SENSE.
It only makes sense if you assume Clark is a moron. He keeps saying “wait, you don’t understand!” but then he never actually explains. He just fights, and then acts shocked when Bruce fights back. And “save Martha” means nothing. If this was really happening, he’d say “save Martha Kent.” There are a lot of Martha’s in the world, and he STILL hasn’t communicated to Bruce that there’s a hostage situation in progress.
If he’d just taken two seconds to TALK, the whole scene could have been avoided. But instead he fights while insisting he doesn’t want to fight, he makes nonsensical statements that compound the confusion rather than clearing it up, and then he desperately cries out with just enough information to confuse Bruce without actually doing enough to “save Martha.”
If Lois hadn’t shown up with her Basic Communication Skills, both Clark and Martha would have died. For no reason other than, “if we’d written the scene competently, we couldn’t have had this badass albeit pointless fight scene!”
@@alexanderwinn9407so even if the scene DID work and batman realized that clark was a man with a mother named martha just like him making him realize he’s about to kill a person, against everything batman stands against, the scene is immediately ruined when batman fuckin machine gun turrets like five dudes in the mf batplane literally the next scene
I only saw the ultimate edition, and yeah, it absolutely makes sense to me
**This scene only makes sense.... If you force it to**
Because it is written and shot terribly.
0:35 when you take a birthday gift and going towards your hated friend to give that gift....😂
And that hated friend needs his inhaler
supes got batman's mask, he was aiming for the head 😳
tsuki97 At least he’s smarter than Thor
Wow, I didn't realize that!
@@oceanwhisperer lmao
I think hes had enough and he was trying to kill him bcs batman wouldnt listen
"To save Martha, bring me the head of the bat." - Lex Luthor
3:31 When you realize that your mother's name isn't mom...
😂Fuuuuuuck
Because superman wouldnt say save his mom cause he knew batman wont save a mom of an alien，so he separate himself with his mother by calling a human name.
@@haot2041 he would have been. He lost his parents, even kryptonien, he will save
For the record, Batman defeated SuperMan.
"WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!?!?"
"Its his mother's name!"
"I DONT HAVE A BROTHER!"
"huh? No, Bruce you idiot!"
Good one XD
😂😂😂
What's that mean if she is superman mother so why does batman think she was his??
༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽ Oh no
Funny fact: Batman will kill non humans because they aren’t alive. He ripped out Grundy’s heart and burned Dracula, so he probably would have killed him after that line seeing how edgy he was in this.
Where is Martha?
Who is Martha?
WHY IS MARTHA?!
Gamora*
idiot..
100% rt
@@kairavmehta6607 You missed the joke.... i hope
please don't be a woooosh trap
@Artjom Fosler ummm.. My foot don't reply
this scene is so powerfull that everytime I watch this , tears come from my eyes, the moment Batman relives his Loss, realizes that superman too has feelings ...just stunning
Every single DC Villain taking notes "SAFE WORD = "MARTHA""
This movie is way better than Justice League
Fax. Not much isn't though.
Get ready for the Snyder Cut.
2:31
I still wonder where they started fight and fallen some another place fighting and then suddenly batman takes the kryptonite staff from that place, wait…! does batman know where they going to end the fight so that he placed the staff before fight, how is that even makes sense wow great screenplay…hats off 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Not many people understood the Martha scene for Bruce he realised he was becoming what he has fought his whole life while also learning Superman was more human than him
everyone understood it, they're just taking the piss out of it because it's dumb
1:17 I'm like 90% sure that's the theme from "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" when they're about to start asking questions.
Batman showed "never underestimate the power of a common man"
Thanks guys for these many likes guys......
He aint no common dumb fuck plus thks batman sucks he kills ehat makes batman op isbhe doesn't kill its easiser ro kill people than to subdue them
yoragami hatsu wat
@@yoragamihatsu8057 fuck off
They favored batman in the movie because batman is an Earthling.
Batman ain't a common man
3:21 Bucky is ali..ve
LOl underrated
“I bet your parents taught you, that you mean something.. That you’re here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson .. dying in the gutter for no reason at all.”
Superman: Ahhhhh!!! uhhh😖
“They told me the world only makes sense if you force it to.”
BATMAN
😎😎😎
Ok
I dont even get it makes no sense ..
Hushpuppy you’re slow
@@louismuniz2128 hes fast
@@smartfellai5t thank u gorage
“You were never a god, you were never even a man” the way HiTop films explains this line gives me chills everytime
Man... An advice from a true friend: Don't destroy the batmobile's door.
I want affleck to come back
No I didn’t he was a great batman but warner brother ruined his character in justice league ... he was really a bad ass
@Chris Goody hey Chris, calm down ya fuckin weeb
Chris Goody Says the man letting anger dictate his words. Quit being a twat, yah twat.
I f*ckin don’t. Christian bale all the way
@Chris Goody Thank you Mr. Goody for your wise comments. Move along.
2:40 - i can't unsee that as tiberium
0:40 Elon walking into the Twitter building
Let that sink in 0:40
Supes: I'm a God.
Bruce: I'm Batman.
I love Bruce’s monologue in this scene.
When the little brother can finally beat up the big brother
People do not understand this scene. It’s so good imo. Gets me in tears
4:40
“It’s his mother’s name”
Did we just become best friends !? 😂
Batman has lost all his principles, which defines as men, as he grew old
Superman, on the other hand, still has that humanity inside him, even at that time when he was about to die,
Incredible plot❤️
The way the world is, I can't even blame Bats for his decision to kill...
I believe and tell me if I’m wrong Bruce here is telling Superman your hurting people either you know or you don’t I’m here to tell you that it needs to end and Superman “ knows that since he’s there it brings a huge threat to earth but Superman is over confident thinking he can’t be beaten untill Batman gives him a wake up call and pretty much tells him
@@JokersHunt na thats a fair take to a point. Like at first obviously superman isnt stressing about being hurt, but even after he does get hurt and realises that batman has kryptonite he still doesnt try to kill him. he held back the entire fight, while batman used everything tho.
Yeah good point, Now finish the Injustice and go back here
@@RustyIsScared After getting shocked by Kryptonite, Clark was never in a position to even remotely kill Batman. That doesn't mean he was holding back. In the beginning, Clark tried to reason and when that didn't work he momentarily became arrogant like a Kryptonian. However, he's more humane than Zod and his soldiers.
Legends says batman is still saying "why did you say that name ?" 😂🤣
The most powerful Batman moments of all time
When they break stuff in that building it almost sounds like Legos breaking
None of the marvel film could match this duel💯❤️
the forced conflict and the forced resolution were terrible, corny and cliche... but the physical fight was cool
@@yourmum69_420 ok name a better scene from marvel then
@@nathanluna6765 idk, most of the first captian america film I guess. Marvel's not so great either though
Unless you count marvel characters in films by other studios (like Blade or Spiderman)
@@nathanluna6765X-men Ironman and many more
Batman a few seconds earlier: “ Your parents probably told you you were here for a reason.”
Batman a few seconds later: YOU HAVE A PARENT???!!!
Leland211st
before: your ALIEN parents send you here for make you a Hero
after: wait you have HUMAN parents that grown you here as a human for deacades ???
So Batman is a racist? Or Alienist?
@kavikiru kavikiru that isn’t what Batman was thinking he thought Superman was only an image by someone external to humanity not a real person that can empathize with us
@kavikiru kavikiru can you repeat i didn’t get what are you saying ?
@kavikiru kavikiru well not for Batman, his first time seeing Superman was in the middle of the battle against the kriptonians that transformed a kid in an orphan with the same trauma of Bruce when he was a kid so he hates Superman also for all the family destroyed in the attack
The fact that a freaking god would've died at the hands of a human is insane, huge props to batman for being so underrated
Plot armor. Supes can move just slightly slower than the flash. Doesnt matter how good bats quipment is. Laser vision, super speed, strength. He could literally swoop up batman and fly him into space in like 2 seconds and itd be OVER. Enough of this "ma bAtMan PrEp tIme" bullshit
@@aliabdelaziz7585 Everything for you is "plot armor"
@@aliabdelaziz7585None of that matters when Superman inhales kyptronite.
@@aliabdelaziz7585Bat guy could literally end the alien's life if he pulled out his kryptonite spear earlier
just like superman could literally tear batman apart In 0.003 nano seconds if he wanted to. The only reason why batman even managed to land a single hit is because superman is literally the walking embodiment of "Kindness"
Am I the only one who wants a Batman movie with Ben Affleck
Yes
Shame Affleck is gone,he was the best Batman but they've ruined him in JL
@@patrikbros8242 No you're dumb as fuck. Christian Bale is an actually good Batman instead of this edgy dumbass we got with JL who is just a billionaire Playboy who beats up anyone and everyone because he can.
@Dame Tu Conab better than being a Zack Snyder tard. At least Nolan can actually make a successful movie with good characters.
batman with a vibranium suit
Superman: save... martha
Batman: aight imma save her.
Badass Batman just about to kill a villain
Villain: my mother's name is Martha, plz let me go
Batman: I'm sorry bro.
That would strike me in the feels too.
No you interpreted it incorrectly.
It means that Superman is still caring to save Martha instead of saving his own life & then Batman knew that he's actually a hero.
I had the blessing of seeing this movie only now recently, and in the Ultimate Edition format (have not seen and will not see the theatrical). The Martha moment that gets shredded by critics and some fans was highly impactful and emotional for me. Snyder is a genius.
Batman: WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME
Lois: It’s his mother’s name
Batman: shit dawg my bad g
4:24 why Did you say that name!?
No matter what you think about this movie, you can't deny this is one of the most epic beatdowns of all time.
Ben's acting in this scene doesn't get enough credit. Even partially concealed by the cowl, the look on Bruce's face as he realizes he is about to destroy a family so similarly to how Joe Chill destroyed his own is so impactful and moving. #BATMANvSUPERMAN
You guys don't get it don't you. The reason why batman reacted like that when superman said her name was because it clearly reminded him why he became the batman in the first place. It made realize that killing is what a criminal does and his purpose as the batman is to stop violence and not kill like one of them.
I just realized after reading your comment. Thanks
True
Oh please. Most people got it. As if it wasn't obvious enough with the flashback. Its still a stupid line and to top it all off, Louis came in to tell us "its his mother's name". Clearly they don't understand a little subtlety can go a long way. Also the killing part isn't true since he later murders the criminals holding Martha captive
Code Pizza, Ok the killing part may be true but that line isn't a stupid way to bring closure to the fight. Besides, you gotta understand the message that this scene is sending.
Ulises Limon ehhh still stupid, would have been better if he said my mom
Bruce's parents were Negan and Maggie from Walking Dead lol
1:58
His normal voice already sounds pretty good as a Batman voice dunno why they had to add some kind of voice disrupting mic
it's because his mask was broken
Yeah the robot voice threw me for a loop
It’s the voice changer in his suit malfunctioning after Superman broke the helmet, a great attention to detail in my opinion.
No I meant Baleman's actual voice already sounds pretty good without the voice disruption device
one of the most embarrassing moments in the history of superhero films, I was a child when I saw it at the cinema for the first time and I remember that even at the time I started laughing out of embarrassment, seeing it again today gives me the same sensations
@3:10 Loki would be proud
It's easy to be brave, when you can't die.
An underrated classic way ahead of it's time.
TheMovieGeek 1004 not really
Slap shot Studios1708 how? Have you seen the Ultimate Edition?
Brian Pasley the ultimate edition is pretty underrated but I wouldn’t say that it’s way ahead of its time
@@SlapshotStudios Maybe not, but it's at least very good for its time.
03:40 people don‘t seem to understand how powerful that scene really is…