I came into your store last Thursday 4/4/24 (I'm the guy with the walker), I can't remember his name, but I spoke to the tall older guy and he was a great help! I'm 4th generation from Clearwater and I have many high end rod's and reels, as I fish both saltwater and freshwater. On this day I was looking for a two piece rod that I could leave in the front of my Ranger all the time, so I could grab it and jump out at any time I see a lake or pond that I want to try, yet not have to worry about it being stolen if I'm in a store somewhere. I was told that you didn't have any two piece rods, but I ended up buying a Bull Bay 3 pc. travel rod which was perfect for what I needed! He then showed me a Shimano Nasci 1500 and the Diawa Exceler 2500D-XH, I played with both and it took me less than a minute to choose the Exceler. Would I have chose it if I needed it for saltwater? Definitely not, but I used the Exceler and the Bull Bay Travel Rod a lot over the weekend and both performed even better than I expected! Thanks Tailwater Outfitters for your first class service!
Exceler is a gorgeous reel! Was in a fishing store Niagara On. and asked to try it out and wow! Smooth, light and great feel. Spec's are excellent too! $99 Can. I didn't buy it though, but might go back for it tomorrow.
That’s a solid assessment and your feel for the Shimano NASCI is spot on. It’s in Shimano’s CoreSolid lineup which is more for power than the finesse line known as MagnumLite. CoreSolid = takes more to start the revolution but it rotates longer MagnumLite = less effort to start and stop the reel (smoother)
I bought 2 x Excelers. A 2000D-C for finesse fishing and then a 3000D. The 2000D shit itself after being exposed to saltwater. I've had Shimano Siennas dunked and survive with just a wash when I got home. Daiwa's are nice and smooth but dont last anywhere near as long as Shimano reels. The best reel on the planet for the money is still the Stradic (FL is my preference). I'd take the Nasci here
I own a new 2023 Shimano Vanquish, 2023 Shimano Stradic FM, and a Shimano Nasci. Three very different price points but all three are great reels. I use all three for inshore saltwater fishing and I love all three of them. I don't know that I can truthfully justify the 4x price of the Vanquish over the Nasci but I really wanted a high end reel just because.
@@WhiteGhost21 I have seen this same opinion from other people on the difference between FL and FM makes me confused since shimano claims FM is a better version of the stradic.Why do you think FL its better?
@@ericwest128 i just prefered the larger handle that the FL had.. and i feel reel companies tend to make one reel better and one worse in susequent editions to make it appear theyre always improving, once a new one then is geared to come out.
I had the cheap penn pursuit reels last 5 years. And yes they are heavy and not the smoothest. But they withstand the Florida beach and pier tests. I got Diawa Bg and it made wired noises immediately after surf fishing a few days in a row. If you’re tuff on your gear and want it to last. Penn is the way to go
Nearly always the first thing that puts me off a reel. Don't know why reel companies keep doing it. If people wanna course fish just buy a baitrunner not a lure reel
I have not found anything yet that beats a daiwa BG for quality and value at that price point. Smooth and powerful if not a little heavy but will not flex under heavy load. Still an easy real to maintain yourself. I have the 3000 and 3500. The 3500 is as beast. I also own a Shimano stradic 4000. Sixty bucks more than the daiwa but a work of art . The downside is if you do your own maintainence this real will be very intricate with a lot of small parts. Just a note if you fish in salt check the line roller bearing . Mine had corrosion starting after half a season. My last reel is my most expensive and wish I didn't buy it. A penn clash 2 in 3000 size. It's one of those reels that felt real smooth in the store but didn't come close to the daiwa and Shimano jigging all day. . i use this real for throwing out bait and putting the pole in a sand spike.
I own an exeler,fuego, saltist back bay, and two fierce reels, I killed my first fuego in six months of surf fishing,(didn’t spray it out once!) but I don’t even blink at the fierce reels ! If it is salted up spay out with wd40 and penn grease everything at every spot! Right back to rough out of the box! That is the best reel for 100$ But the saltist reels are smooth forever ! Like a better fuego! And yeah I’m hard on everything! But I love it!
I’m not the biggest fan of the anti-reverse switch for saltwater fishing. I fish a little bit from the beach and flats-the chances of sand or ocean spray getting in the reel increases and I don’t like that additional entry area. My Okuma reel topped over onto sand for a brief moment but the moment I picked it up and reeled, it had already entered the gears. I’ve done that by accident with my Nasci and Penn stuff and haven’t had that issue
Thank you for providing a reason why one might prefer a reel without the anti-reverse switch. I fish saltwater only a couple of times a year, whereas I use the anti-reverse switch a couple of dozen times whenever I go freshwater fishing so for me, it’s a mandatory feature.
I actually agree with 99% of this video great review over all. I would personally go with the nasci over the daiwa. I bought my kids the nasci and was messing with it and got a 34" redfish with it and handled like a dream. Throwing arties all day too i dont notcie the difference between the nasic and the daiwa my buddy got his kid. Its not this model daiwa i believe it was the next step up. The cheaper daiwas and the lt model daiwas don't seem to have the build quality of Penn and Shimano. Just from my own experience and opinion
@Tave. I got my kids the 2500. But the 3000 would be a good choice as well. Both are the same size reel. Only difference between the two is the 2500 has a tear drop handle knob and it holds about 30 to 40 yards less of braid The 3000 has a T shape handle Knob and holds about 30 to 40 yards more then the 2500
If You're a weirdo like me who likes to use 20 or 30 lb fluoro to braid line go with diawa. Shimano always makes a narrow choke point between the line roller and the bale. Makes it so you're connecting not gets caught. But if you know that with that real you're always going to you 15 and below line I would say Shimano is a little better. I just like having the option.
The fierce iv is just an aluminum pursuit iv that costs twice as much, I would skip it and get a battle iii or a spin fisher vi since they are on sale. I got a Daiwa Fuego for a rod I built to try out, and I’ll admit I love it, I absolutely love it, and I’m a penn guy. Penn pursuits are my secrete weapon, same drag, bearings and gears as the fierce, and you can get them for for less than $50 for a 4000
Thanks for the good video. I wonder what a side-by-side break down and see all of the internals would reveal? It would be nice to see the size of the bearings, what type of material the gears are made of, how thick all the pieces are, and what is best for saltwater. Do you do those types of comparisons?
Nasci FC is a great reel for the money I have a 2500 I use for some freshwater stuff. I’ve been torn lately between grabbing a Spheros SW 3000 or a Nasci FC 3000 for a lightweight salt setup up where I’m throwing artificials. They basically have the same exact specs and tech which is really interesting, lol but I wonder which would perform and survive the salt better long term. 🤔
What you said about the mid range reel being a better value than the top shelf models? Yeah. Kinda. Like if you buy a jdm shimano stradic it'll run you around 160 dollars. No warranty. Spend 15 dollars and you can buy a couple parts and replace the stock parts in the stradic and once reassembled you've upgraded it (for all intents and purposes) to a stella internally. It's like a stock zebco 33, buy a single pack of bearings, swap out the stock bushings for tge bearings and internally it's a zebco platinum. The only difference is the platinum has an all aluminum frame while the zebco 33 is graphite which makes it much lighter. We call it super tuning. I do it to every zebco 33 i give to a kid. I'm all about supertuning reels. It's fun and brings performance to a much higher level than was designed. I just wish they made reels easier to maintain just so that supertuning is easier. Also, that would pretty much render their warranties useless because it'd be so much easier to fix a reel yourself. I think lew's is excellent in that area.
I think daiwa reels up to 100 dollars are unbeatable, especially for UL. I have Legalis 2000, 2500 and Fuego 2000. Very light reels and smooth, without resistance and inertia when winding. In the more expensive segment, Shimano is a little better, it depends on which price range.
I was told yesterday by a fishing store clerk that the Fuego, about $10 more than the Excelor, has better saltwater protection (Magseal). The Excelor to me felt smoother. He stated that if you’re mostly freshwater fishing, the Excelor is an excellent choice. Hope this helps.
One thing to note is that the exceler is not rated for saltwater fishing but the nasci is!! If the exceler was saltwater rated i would choose it any day over the nasci :)
I chose the Nasci. The Exceler 3000 was on sale for $75, the Nasci was $92. The reason I went with the Nasci it just felt solid quality. The Exceler was lighter, which I really liked. But the Reverse switch was a turn off for me and it felt cheaply made. (Could be because it was 1 oz. lighter) But after comparing both side by side? I ended up walking out with the more expensive Nasci.
Why on earth would the anti-reverse switch be a turn off for you? Do you view it as somehow being a feature that attracts only newbie, amateur anglers and you’re too tough, cool, manly, and experienced for such nonsense? Pro Angler Randy Blaukat will only use a spinning reel that has an anti-reverse switch on it. I put that anti-reverse switch to use at least a dozen or two times every time I go fishing. It makes a lot more sense than having to loosen up the drag, pull line out by hand and then tighten the drag back up every time I want to change the length of line hanging from my rod for casting or tying on another lure.
@ Sorry I didn’t mean to Trigger you? Don’t get your panties in a bunch! Get a grip on Reality! Not everyone likes the same things you like. I explained why it’s not for me. If you can’t handle it? too bad! Stay frosty “Karen”!!!
Now can you tell me how big you think the difference is between the Exceler and the Shimano Stradic? Is there a noticeable difference to warrant the Stradic over the Exceler? Thanks :)
The Stradic is sealed much better, has better gearing with Shimano hagane cold forging process, has one more bearing, and has a metal body. For saltwater, or heavier applications in general, the Stradic will hold up much better.
I would go Nasci. Core protect gives good water resistance. Exceler would be good but Daiwa spare parts in Australia are an issue. The Penn would be good if the extra weight did not both you.
Appreciate your videos, very informative...so quick question, in the Daiwa line its really tough to figure out differences, which one between Regal LT vs Exceler LT? Use is a all rounder in Michigan and some Florida, thank you!!
I am new in fishing, do fresh water fishing. Recently upgrade my setups. After seeing many videos and suggestions i end with daiwa phantom power 8ft rod and Daiwa bg 3000 .
The best advice I can give you is to get the lightest weight setup that can do the job, It is so much less taxing and tiring to work with light equipment and is much easier to keep going when it gets slow and motivation low. I know for certain kinds of work like punching in reeds you need a stronger rod... I do almost all my fishing with only 2 rods at my side.
I am kayak fisherman in South Africa. Looking fir the most durable toughest spinning reel that would best survive in harsh saltwater conditions… what woud be your pick in the $100 range?
I put my hands on a handful of reels the other day and i didn’t like the feel of these reels. I also don’t like the thin bail wire. TBH I really like the pfluegar president and I really liked the Lews KVD.
You didn't talk about the premium cold forged aluminum main gear (same as the Stella) that you get in the Nasci. The Fierce uses a cheap zinc alloy as far as i'm concerned and knowing Daiwa they probably also went down the zinc route for the Exceler. For that reason alone Nasci for the win, no brainer
While the cold forged hagane gear in both reels is correct, the main gear in two reels is definitely not the same gear. The Stella has the micro module gear ii, which is an increased number of smaller gear teeth. This results in the gears meshing together smoother.
correct, brain has been fried in near 40C sun today next the water... I forget the Shimano equivalent one now. better reel, smoother etc, but If you are catching large bass, I'd go with the Daiwa 100%@@ivanvedris9636
Fuego is also a solid reel at that price point. Out of the shimano reels, the Sedona, sahara, nasci, miravel, and ultegra are all somewhat similar too with them being within $20 or so of each other. I wish they had a couple more reels in between the ultegra and the stradic/vanford tho..
The only con to the Fuego lt and the lt models of daiwa is their frame flex issues they are known for. Their aluminum reels are amazing. I do agree Shimano should be able to make another model reel in-between the ultegra and Stradic.
The Nasci is great, but for less the money, I prefer the Sahara over the nasci; it may have less ball bearings counts but it performs as great as the nasci comparability, plus if you fish saltwater environment bushing a bit better than bearing because it doesn’t rust. I still have my old 2012 Sahara and that thing still works fine with minimal issue. On top of that any reel will last; all you needs is just with a little love and cares doesn’t matter the price point
@@WhiteGhost21 hahaha ... over the price range of this $100 topic, if i were going pay that much just for that reel; I rather just pick up the Stella instead. I prefer go cheap to save money or go all out and call it a day, the in between price point is a waste of money in my opinion
@@WhiteGhost21 I'm sure it's a great reel but it costs $400. The funny thing is, i can guarantee you that i've caught more fish using Sub $100 reels than you have with your waste-of-money reels. Blue fin tuna, yellow fin tuna, dorado, albacore, yellowtail, all kinds of salmon, sailfish. Expensive gear won't make you a better fisherman. And i even caught all that on old school mono line and fiberglass or split cane rods. No carbon fiber rods in my quiver. lol. Well... i did borrow a friends Penn International when i caught a 200lb+ Marlon off Avalon harbor off SoCal. Fishing gear is a lot like HiFi audio gear. Once you get to a certain price point, the music isn't going to sound any better. $1k speaker wire, $400 RCA cables, etc.... if you think you can hear the difference its all confirmation bias, the way your brain tries to justify spending an obscene amount of money on something.
@@LBCAndrew if you knew as much about fishing as you claimed, you'd know that it no longer costs $400. PS I live in a world class fishing destination where Tunas, Marlins, Dorados, Wahoos all are caught on any given day. Way to jump into assumptions based on me saying two words on this comment thread.
@@WhiteGhost21 The MSRP is still $400. Of course it can be found for less, especially if you go with gray market straight from japan. Good luck getting any warranty work with that if something goes bad.
Buy a spheros inshore for $120 instead, its the stradic fk but with carbon drag and different paint. Makes the catana, nasci, and ultegra redundant. Also check out the excense xr, basicly a carbon twin power for around 200 bucks
The Daiwa is the smart choice because it is the only one with an anti-reverse switch. I won’t buy a real without that feature. I think it’s ridiculous to have to loosen up the drag to pull line out by hand and then re-tighten the drag every time you want to change the length of your line for casting or for tying on a new lure. That pretty obviously has to increase the wear on your drag washers.
@@artificialslinger9730 surprising. I mean they are pretty different reels but my Stradic although a great reel will require more maintenance as the slightest touch does bang it up a bit
@@Rpark1214 I've had no issues with the new stradics starting with the FL prior models did indeed need more maintenance but it was basic maintenance that any reel would need and still need to this day. When I sold my FL to get the FM it was still in mint condition at 4 years old. If you throw your stuff around it's going to get marked up regardless of what you do or what it's made from. If you take care of your gear the right way it'll take care of you 🔥💪🏼
Yeah, because i'm sure spending all that extra money has made you such a better angler. lol. I've caught blue fin tuna, yellow fin tuna, albacore, yellowtail, dorado, sailfish, salmon, and so much more almost exclusively on sub-$100 reels and fiberglass rods. Wasting money on expensive gear wont make you a better fisherman. Experience does. Heck, my go-to freshwater setup is a 1980's Shimano AX2000 which has caught hundreds of rainbow and brown trout, bass, crappie, bluegill, catfish, and more. My fishing buddy always has the latest fancy gear and i out fish im 9 times out of 10.
@@LBCAndrew Ive been fishing for like 30+ years.. probably the reason i dont own any cheap gear anymore.. its all been used up and replaced. Also a stradic is like 130 bucks.. a vanford about 200.. its not too expensive.. but a lot better quality then any 100 dollar gear is.. also vanford weighs a lot less.. u get what u pay for. And offc i want to fish with daiwa/shimano stuff.. all the other brands are just a bim of chinesium. because producing a actual reel is expensive..
Dude. I watched this video, went out and got the diawa. Terrible decision. The handle clicks. Seems nice and light. Cast smooth and retrieve. But the black handle part clicks after 20 days of fishing. Anoying.
Since these reels can be used in salt water, you might of gone over how they are with water intrusion. I know the Nasci is sealed (hence the higher start-up force). But, what about the other 2?
I fish every night and day and I just cannot fathom fishing with cheap tackle. I'm a trophy Striper hunter, and I only fish with top notch JDM stuff like Stellas, Saltigas, Twin Powers, Mavericks and Avets. Rods i only use Fenwick glass St croix, Lamiglas and some loomis, but only stuff made in USA or Japan . I have No boat and i only throw swim and glide baits too. I'm usually on the rocks under a raging Dam on a river in Tennessee on the pouring rain (I live for that) at 4am. I need reels with 50+ lbs of drag like Daiwa Dogfights etc to drag huge Stripers out of the current thru boulders and timber. I could never own a reel called piscifun or cast king or any of these new cheap Chinese stuff. Just not for me. Maybe ok for some people. Different stroke. I guess for people who are weekend warriors or for taking the kids out on Sat fishing 2x a year Wal mart tackle is ok....
its funny my friends are new and they buy expensive reels and rods and they cant catch much gots to work your way up and get experience and then treat yourself into the nicer things because you will appreciate the rod and reel even more..a cheap set up will teach you and once you master that then you get the fancy stuff@@artificialslinger9730
I came into your store last Thursday 4/4/24 (I'm the guy with the walker), I can't remember his name, but I spoke to the tall older guy and he was a great help! I'm 4th generation from Clearwater and I have many high end rod's and reels, as I fish both saltwater and freshwater. On this day I was looking for a two piece rod that I could leave in the front of my Ranger all the time, so I could grab it and jump out at any time I see a lake or pond that I want to try, yet not have to worry about it being stolen if I'm in a store somewhere. I was told that you didn't have any two piece rods, but I ended up buying a Bull Bay 3 pc. travel rod which was perfect for what I needed! He then showed me a Shimano Nasci 1500 and the Diawa Exceler 2500D-XH, I played with both and it took me less than a minute to choose the Exceler. Would I have chose it if I needed it for saltwater? Definitely not, but I used the Exceler and the Bull Bay Travel Rod a lot over the weekend and both performed even better than I expected! Thanks Tailwater Outfitters for your first class service!
Thats great! We appreciate the kind words! We're always happy to help
It's crazy how good these $100 reel are, they are as good as $200 reels 10 years ago
I agree!
I switched from Shimano to Daiwa a long ago. Shimano reels are usually heavier and always had heavier start up inertia. Exceler is a great reel.
I am having trouble finding them. Where did you buy yours?
you don't know vanford and vanquish
@@abcJ-q4vjust wait till you drop it or scratch it… not a realistic comparison to boot!
@@Bob-c3e u talkin bout start up inertia, vanquish vanford rule, u can compare it to highest priced daiwa.
Exceler is a gorgeous reel! Was in a fishing store Niagara On. and asked to try it out and wow! Smooth, light and great feel. Spec's are excellent too! $99 Can. I didn't buy it though, but might go back for it tomorrow.
woohoo Niagara On. my family lives there any good fishing spot tips ? or they secret lol. would love to go do some on shore fishing while visitng.
That’s a solid assessment and your feel for the Shimano NASCI is spot on. It’s in Shimano’s CoreSolid lineup which is more for power than the finesse line known as MagnumLite.
CoreSolid = takes more to start the revolution but it rotates longer
MagnumLite = less effort to start and stop the reel (smoother)
Appreciate that! Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the clarification, that definitely makes sense with the two lines of reels
Picked up a Daiwa exceller and I love it!
Great to hear!
how is it going so far?
I picked on up. But the black handle started to click after 20 days.
Does ur handle not click.
I bought 2 x Excelers. A 2000D-C for finesse fishing and then a 3000D. The 2000D shit itself after being exposed to saltwater. I've had Shimano Siennas dunked and survive with just a wash when I got home.
Daiwa's are nice and smooth but dont last anywhere near as long as Shimano reels.
The best reel on the planet for the money is still the Stradic (FL is my preference).
I'd take the Nasci here
That's fair, I could see that
I own a new 2023 Shimano Vanquish, 2023 Shimano Stradic FM, and a Shimano Nasci. Three very different price points but all three are great reels. I use all three for inshore saltwater fishing and I love all three of them. I don't know that I can truthfully justify the 4x price of the Vanquish over the Nasci but I really wanted a high end reel just because.
the FM sucks compared to the FL. used it once and i'm now trying to sell it.
@@WhiteGhost21Why does it suck for you? I have the FL & FM & find them very similiar & enjoy both
@@WhiteGhost21 I have seen this same opinion from other people on the difference between FL and FM makes me confused since shimano claims FM is a better version of the stradic.Why do you think FL its better?
@@cavesuki8510 it felt a bit more bumpy for some reason upon retrieve and the handle is smaller
@@ericwest128 i just prefered the larger handle that the FL had.. and i feel reel companies tend to make one reel better and one worse in susequent editions to make it appear theyre always improving, once a new one then is geared to come out.
I had the cheap penn pursuit reels last 5 years. And yes they are heavy and not the smoothest. But they withstand the Florida beach and pier tests. I got Diawa Bg and it made wired noises immediately after surf fishing a few days in a row. If you’re tuff on your gear and want it to last. Penn is the way to go
Ive beat the crap out of my nasci and it still feels new. Havent regret my purchase once since I bought it
the LT has an antireverse switch still which by default should take a few points off
Nearly always the first thing that puts me off a reel. Don't know why reel companies keep doing it. If people wanna course fish just buy a baitrunner not a lure reel
@@Northumberlandbasssman that switch is very useful
@user-oc5ry8pp1p just out of interest how do you use it? I've had lure reels with them on and never found a use for it.
@@Northumberlandbasssman let some line out, often
@@WhiteGhost21 antireverse is a must for any seasoned angler...
Just got the Exceler on sale for $60. Super excited to put it through its paces
Where did you get it?
PLEASE TELL ME WHEIR LOL
@DuallDude wheir did you get it on sale for?
@@Zyl0n_yt it was from tackle warehouse
is it for fresh or saltwater?
Just got the nasci 2500 and you really cant go wrong with it. I know its a bait caster but also have the curado dc and it feels just as smooth
Maintenance wise.. I'll take nasci all day.
Even against ultegra, stradic and above.
I paid $70 for my Fierce IV and it was on a Penn rod. I paid $90 for my Battle III and I would chose it over the other two. Thanks for info.
I agree I love my Penn reels because I can get parts and also find good sales on them and I think they hold up better in salt compared to others
I have not found anything yet that beats a daiwa BG for quality and value at that price point. Smooth and powerful if not a little heavy but will not flex under heavy load. Still an easy real to maintain yourself. I have the 3000 and 3500. The 3500 is as beast. I also own a Shimano stradic 4000. Sixty bucks more than the daiwa but a work of art . The downside is if you do your own maintainence this real will be very intricate with a lot of small parts. Just a note if you fish in salt check the line roller bearing . Mine had corrosion starting after half a season. My last reel is my most expensive and wish I didn't buy it. A penn clash 2 in 3000 size. It's one of those reels that felt real smooth in the store but didn't come close to the daiwa and Shimano jigging all day. . i use this real for throwing out bait and putting the pole in a sand spike.
As a lifelong pro owning every reel on earth...couldn't agree more.
I own an exeler,fuego, saltist back bay, and two fierce reels,
I killed my first fuego in six months of surf fishing,(didn’t spray it out once!) but I don’t even blink at the fierce reels ! If it is salted up spay out with wd40 and penn grease everything at every spot! Right back to rough out of the box! That is the best reel for 100$
But the saltist reels are smooth forever ! Like a better fuego!
And yeah I’m hard on everything! But I love it!
I’m not the biggest fan of the anti-reverse switch for saltwater fishing. I fish a little bit from the beach and flats-the chances of sand or ocean spray getting in the reel increases and I don’t like that additional entry area. My Okuma reel topped over onto sand for a brief moment but the moment I picked it up and reeled, it had already entered the gears. I’ve done that by accident with my Nasci and Penn stuff and haven’t had that issue
Thank you for providing a reason why one might prefer a reel without the anti-reverse switch. I fish saltwater only a couple of times a year, whereas I use the anti-reverse switch a couple of dozen times whenever I go freshwater fishing so for me, it’s a mandatory feature.
Diawa is freshwater
Bought a Shimano Catana 2500 for like 30 dollars. Lasted me over 10 years
I have the nasci 3000 and changed the drag discs to carbon for £10 ..game changer super smooth 👍👍👌👌
How whould the exceler hold up in saltwater?
I actually agree with 99% of this video great review over all.
I would personally go with the nasci over the daiwa. I bought my kids the nasci and was messing with it and got a 34" redfish with it and handled like a dream.
Throwing arties all day too i dont notcie the difference between the nasic and the daiwa my buddy got his kid. Its not this model daiwa i believe it was the next step up. The cheaper daiwas and the lt model daiwas don't seem to have the build quality of Penn and Shimano. Just from my own experience and opinion
Thanks! The Nasci is wildly more popular for us than the Exceler, and I don’t think that will change. Appreciate the comment!
What reel size Nasci do you have?
@Tave. I got my kids the 2500. But the 3000 would be a good choice as well. Both are the same size reel. Only difference between the two is the 2500 has a tear drop handle knob and it holds about 30 to 40 yards less of braid
The 3000 has a T shape handle Knob and holds about 30 to 40 yards more then the 2500
If You're a weirdo like me who likes to use 20 or 30 lb fluoro to braid line go with diawa. Shimano always makes a narrow choke point between the line roller and the bale. Makes it so you're connecting not gets caught. But if you know that with that real you're always going to you 15 and below line I would say Shimano is a little better. I just like having the option.
The fierce iv is just an aluminum pursuit iv that costs twice as much, I would skip it and get a battle iii or a spin fisher vi since they are on sale. I got a Daiwa Fuego for a rod I built to try out, and I’ll admit I love it, I absolutely love it, and I’m a penn guy. Penn pursuits are my secrete weapon, same drag, bearings and gears as the fierce, and you can get them for for less than $50 for a 4000
Thanks for the good video.
I wonder what a side-by-side break down and see all of the internals would reveal? It would be nice to see the size of the bearings, what type of material the gears are made of, how thick all the pieces are, and what is best for saltwater.
Do you do those types of comparisons?
Nasci FC is a great reel for the money I have a 2500 I use for some freshwater stuff. I’ve been torn lately between grabbing a Spheros SW 3000 or a Nasci FC 3000 for a lightweight salt setup up where I’m throwing artificials. They basically have the same exact specs and tech which is really interesting, lol but I wonder which would perform and survive the salt better long term. 🤔
Does the little switch at the bottom of the real on the diawa really matter I see it on a bunch of beginner reels
What you said about the mid range reel being a better value than the top shelf models? Yeah. Kinda. Like if you buy a jdm shimano stradic it'll run you around 160 dollars. No warranty. Spend 15 dollars and you can buy a couple parts and replace the stock parts in the stradic and once reassembled you've upgraded it (for all intents and purposes) to a stella internally.
It's like a stock zebco 33, buy a single pack of bearings, swap out the stock bushings for tge bearings and internally it's a zebco platinum. The only difference is the platinum has an all aluminum frame while the zebco 33 is graphite which makes it much lighter. We call it super tuning. I do it to every zebco 33 i give to a kid.
I'm all about supertuning reels. It's fun and brings performance to a much higher level than was designed.
I just wish they made reels easier to maintain just so that supertuning is easier. Also, that would pretty much render their warranties useless because it'd be so much easier to fix a reel yourself. I think lew's is excellent in that area.
Will the Shimano Nasci be fine for Saltwater fishing?
Yea it’s a great reel!
I think daiwa reels up to 100 dollars are unbeatable, especially for UL. I have Legalis 2000, 2500 and Fuego 2000. Very light reels and smooth, without resistance and inertia when winding. In the more expensive segment, Shimano is a little better, it depends on which price range.
Is it better than the Fuego?
I was told yesterday by a fishing store clerk that the Fuego, about $10 more than the Excelor, has better saltwater protection (Magseal). The Excelor to me felt smoother.
He stated that if you’re mostly freshwater fishing, the Excelor is an excellent choice.
Hope this helps.
I wonder how the okuma ceymar hd or inspira reels compare to this
One thing to note is that the exceler is not rated for saltwater fishing but the nasci is!! If the exceler was saltwater rated i would choose it any day over the nasci :)
I wouldnt pay attention to “Saltwater ratings” internally both will handle salt environments the same.
I chose the Nasci.
The Exceler 3000 was on sale for $75, the Nasci was $92.
The reason I went with the Nasci it just felt solid quality.
The Exceler was lighter, which I really liked.
But the Reverse switch was a turn off for me and it felt cheaply made. (Could be because it was 1 oz. lighter)
But after comparing both side by side? I ended up walking out with the more expensive Nasci.
Why on earth would the anti-reverse switch be a turn off for you? Do you view it as somehow being a feature that attracts only newbie, amateur anglers and you’re too tough, cool, manly, and experienced for such nonsense? Pro Angler Randy Blaukat will only use a spinning reel that has an anti-reverse switch on it.
I put that anti-reverse switch to use at least a dozen or two times every time I go fishing. It makes a lot more sense than having to loosen up the drag, pull line out by hand and then tighten the drag back up every time I want to change the length of line hanging from my rod for casting or tying on another lure.
@ Sorry I didn’t mean to Trigger you? Don’t get your panties in a bunch! Get a grip on Reality! Not everyone likes the same things you like. I explained why it’s not for me. If you can’t handle it? too bad! Stay frosty “Karen”!!!
Now can you tell me how big you think the difference is between the Exceler and the Shimano Stradic? Is there a noticeable difference to warrant the Stradic over the Exceler? Thanks :)
The Stradic is sealed much better, has better gearing with Shimano hagane cold forging process, has one more bearing, and has a metal body. For saltwater, or heavier applications in general, the Stradic will hold up much better.
I would go Nasci. Core protect gives good water resistance. Exceler would be good but Daiwa spare parts in Australia are an issue. The Penn would be good if the extra weight did not both you.
can i use penn fierce for bass fishing ( like lures?)
Yea that will work just fine
Will the Daiwa Exceler work for salt water?
Appreciate your videos, very informative...so quick question, in the Daiwa line its really tough to figure out differences, which one between Regal LT vs Exceler LT? Use is a all rounder in Michigan and some Florida, thank you!!
Is the Shimano Vanford worth it?
It's a phenomenal reel that looks great and is a joy to use
@@tailwateroutfitters if you have big hands or knuckles, the stem sucks. i just sent back the vanford.
hi bro can u pick one for me nasci or exceler?
I am new in fishing, do fresh water fishing. Recently upgrade my setups. After seeing many videos and suggestions i end with daiwa phantom power 8ft rod and Daiwa bg 3000 .
Sounds like a great choice!
@@tailwateroutfitters thank you so much
The best advice I can give you is to get the lightest weight setup that can do the job, It is so much less taxing and tiring to work with light equipment and is much easier to keep going when it gets slow and motivation low. I know for certain kinds of work like punching in reeds you need a stronger rod... I do almost all my fishing with only 2 rods at my side.
@@poepflater thank you so much for your valuable advice. Really appreciate
The exceller better than the fuego?
I think it is
I am kayak fisherman in South Africa. Looking fir the most durable toughest spinning reel that would best survive in harsh saltwater conditions… what woud be your pick in the $100 range?
I put my hands on a handful of reels the other day and i didn’t like the feel of these reels. I also don’t like the thin bail wire. TBH I really like the pfluegar president and I really liked the Lews KVD.
I’ll stick to my fuego or legalis! Daiwa baby
You didn't talk about the premium cold forged aluminum main gear (same as the Stella) that you get in the Nasci. The Fierce uses a cheap zinc alloy as far as i'm concerned and knowing Daiwa they probably also went down the zinc route for the Exceler. For that reason alone Nasci for the win, no brainer
While the cold forged hagane gear in both reels is correct, the main gear in two reels is definitely not the same gear. The Stella has the micro module gear ii, which is an increased number of smaller gear teeth. This results in the gears meshing together smoother.
Shimano Miravel on sale. Got one for 85 bucks. It’s amazing.
Where?
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Yo you didn’t show the specs on the Penn.
The best is ultegra. It's similar to stradic.
Daiwa Exceller is great. You can find from $75-90. Thing just looks like you should catch fish.
The 10lbs PowerPro is .15 in diameter while the 15lbs J Braid is .019 in diameter, not .19. The J Braid is higher strength but thinner.
Great comparison! The new Exceler is a big step up from the previous 2017 version, Shimano needs to catch up now.
2023 Shimano LT is king in the budget category I think they come in at 175g
@@poepflaterDaiwa LT...
correct, brain has been fried in near 40C sun today next the water... I forget the Shimano equivalent one now. better reel, smoother etc, but If you are catching large bass, I'd go with the Daiwa 100%@@ivanvedris9636
The exceler isn’t magsealed though
Fuego is also a solid reel at that price point. Out of the shimano reels, the Sedona, sahara, nasci, miravel, and ultegra are all somewhat similar too with them being within $20 or so of each other. I wish they had a couple more reels in between the ultegra and the stradic/vanford tho..
Yea I agree and love the fuego. Shimano is pretty dense between $60-$140
The only con to the Fuego lt and the lt models of daiwa is their frame flex issues they are known for.
Their aluminum reels are amazing.
I do agree Shimano should be able to make another model reel in-between the ultegra and Stradic.
the ultegra is all you need
The Nasci is great, but for less the money, I prefer the Sahara over the nasci; it may have less ball bearings counts but it performs as great as the nasci comparability, plus if you fish saltwater environment bushing a bit better than bearing because it doesn’t rust. I still have my old 2012 Sahara and that thing still works fine with minimal issue. On top of that any reel will last; all you needs is just with a little love and cares doesn’t matter the price point
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@@WhiteGhost21 hahaha ... over the price range of this $100 topic, if i were going pay that much just for that reel; I rather just pick up the Stella instead. I prefer go cheap to save money or go all out and call it a day, the in between price point is a waste of money in my opinion
@@WhiteGhost21 I'm sure it's a great reel but it costs $400. The funny thing is, i can guarantee you that i've caught more fish using Sub $100 reels than you have with your waste-of-money reels. Blue fin tuna, yellow fin tuna, dorado, albacore, yellowtail, all kinds of salmon, sailfish. Expensive gear won't make you a better fisherman. And i even caught all that on old school mono line and fiberglass or split cane rods. No carbon fiber rods in my quiver. lol. Well... i did borrow a friends Penn International when i caught a 200lb+ Marlon off Avalon harbor off SoCal.
Fishing gear is a lot like HiFi audio gear. Once you get to a certain price point, the music isn't going to sound any better. $1k speaker wire, $400 RCA cables, etc.... if you think you can hear the difference its all confirmation bias, the way your brain tries to justify spending an obscene amount of money on something.
@@LBCAndrew if you knew as much about fishing as you claimed, you'd know that it no longer costs $400. PS I live in a world class fishing destination where Tunas, Marlins, Dorados, Wahoos all are caught on any given day. Way to jump into assumptions based on me saying two words on this comment thread.
@@WhiteGhost21 The MSRP is still $400. Of course it can be found for less, especially if you go with gray market straight from japan. Good luck getting any warranty work with that if something goes bad.
Definitely daiwa
Buy a spheros inshore for $120 instead, its the stradic fk but with carbon drag and different paint. Makes the catana, nasci, and ultegra redundant. Also check out the excense xr, basicly a carbon twin power for around 200 bucks
How does the sahara fj compare to the nasci? I am between those two and sadly the newer daiwa reels dont exist in my country
Which is better between the nasci and the fuego
For smoothness, fuego. But overall durability and longevity in saltwater, the nasci
The Daiwa is the smart choice because it is the only one with an anti-reverse switch. I won’t buy a real without that feature. I think it’s ridiculous to have to loosen up the drag to pull line out by hand and then re-tighten the drag every time you want to change the length of your line for casting or for tying on a new lure. That pretty obviously has to increase the wear on your drag washers.
Just open the bail
You didn’t give Penn a fair shake. All you stated was that it had an all metal body and durable. No other specs?
So shimano nasci is 99. stradic is 179 to 199, so 100 dollar difference
How th daiwa bg didnt make it is beyond me
It’s not $100 anymore. Starts at $129
Will you do a $200 spinning reel round 2? I can’t decide between the new stradic or bg mq 🤪
I had both. Kept the Stradic FM. Sold the mq. Mq felt cheap to me for the price.
@@artificialslinger9730 surprising. I mean they are pretty different reels but my Stradic although a great reel will require more maintenance as the slightest touch does bang it up a bit
get the old stradic if you can. the FL
@@Rpark1214 I've had no issues with the new stradics starting with the FL prior models did indeed need more maintenance but it was basic maintenance that any reel would need and still need to this day.
When I sold my FL to get the FM it was still in mint condition at 4 years old.
If you throw your stuff around it's going to get marked up regardless of what you do or what it's made from.
If you take care of your gear the right way it'll take care of you 🔥💪🏼
It’s simple, get both 😂
The JDM 2024 Shimano Exsence might be better than the Nasci atm
the answer is u r better off spending a bit more for a ballistic.. a stradic or a vanford.. 100 dollars was a nice pricepoint.. in the 90's ..
Yeah, because i'm sure spending all that extra money has made you such a better angler. lol. I've caught blue fin tuna, yellow fin tuna, albacore, yellowtail, dorado, sailfish, salmon, and so much more almost exclusively on sub-$100 reels and fiberglass rods. Wasting money on expensive gear wont make you a better fisherman. Experience does. Heck, my go-to freshwater setup is a 1980's Shimano AX2000 which has caught hundreds of rainbow and brown trout, bass, crappie, bluegill, catfish, and more. My fishing buddy always has the latest fancy gear and i out fish im 9 times out of 10.
@@LBCAndrew Ive been fishing for like 30+ years.. probably the reason i dont own any cheap gear anymore.. its all been used up and replaced.
Also a stradic is like 130 bucks.. a vanford about 200.. its not too expensive.. but a lot better quality then any 100 dollar gear is.. also vanford weighs a lot less.. u get what u pay for.
And offc i want to fish with daiwa/shimano stuff.. all the other brands are just a bim of chinesium. because producing a actual reel is expensive..
read alan hawk ratings. nasci is rated best between these reels.
Dude. I watched this video, went out and got the diawa. Terrible decision. The handle clicks. Seems nice and light. Cast smooth and retrieve. But the black handle part clicks after 20 days of fishing. Anoying.
Bass pro Johnny Morris
Love the Daiwa. Sadly this one doesn’t have any mag seal for using saltwater 😭
Gassssken bang🔥🔥🔥🔥☕️☕️☕️☕️
Since these reels can be used in salt water, you might of gone over how they are with water intrusion. I know the Nasci is sealed (hence the higher start-up force). But, what about the other 2?
The exceller is a freshwater reel, not really comparable with these. The daiwa fuego is a better comparison to these.
I fish every night and day and I just cannot fathom fishing with cheap tackle. I'm a trophy Striper hunter, and I only fish with top notch JDM stuff like Stellas, Saltigas, Twin Powers, Mavericks and Avets. Rods i only use Fenwick glass St croix, Lamiglas and some loomis, but only stuff made in USA or Japan . I have No boat and i only throw swim and glide baits too. I'm usually on the rocks under a raging Dam on a river in Tennessee on the pouring rain (I live for that) at 4am. I need reels with 50+ lbs of drag like Daiwa Dogfights etc to drag huge Stripers out of the current thru boulders and timber. I could never own a reel called piscifun or cast king or any of these new cheap Chinese stuff. Just not for me. Maybe ok for some people. Different stroke. I guess for people who are weekend warriors or for taking the kids out on Sat fishing 2x a year Wal mart tackle is ok....
The Nasci is sealed while the Exceler is not. That was the deciding factor at least for me
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Diawa Feugo is best
Yea the Fuego is great! I was just trying to be exactly at $100 for these, or else I would have grabbed the fuego
i have a 30$ combo from 32 years ago and i smoke my friends out fishing them i do have a stella and graphiteleader 1000+$ combo
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its funny my friends are new and they buy expensive reels and rods and they cant catch much gots to work your way up and get experience and then treat yourself into the nicer things because you will appreciate the rod and reel even more..a cheap set up will teach you and once you master that then you get the fancy stuff@@artificialslinger9730