@@AidilAfham pretty sure he was talking about an actor he enjoys collaborating and filming scenes with, as well as being able to play this character and explore what drives Sauron. That would be enjoyable for any actor, as well as simply having a great job that pays you to do it LOL
I honestly don't understand how antis can say these people are blindly bumbling around playing these characters, and have no clue what the original works had in them. It's clear they're all so passionate about the original works!! (And as Charlie says, this is an ADAPTATION. They're allowed to be inspired by canon but then mix things up. ALL the movies have!! So it's not a valid excuse for complaining 😂)
I really liked season 2 especially Charlie Vickers' performance..... It was pretty dope seeing another side of Sauron because if you think about it we don't really know him at all.
Why is the Gil-galad actor so much more impressive offscreen than he is as the Elven-king? Can't someone write this legendary hero-king as he deserves?
I'm amazed by how Charlie V. totally sees the Sauron character, all the facets to his evil, complexity of his choices and strategies. That requires a very well developed emotional intelligence, especially that we clearly see that he himself is a nice and kind guy. Impressive acting. I'm also very positively surprised by how Ben is a Tolkien geek, I like his view on the story and his character. Ps. Like the interviewer energy and questions as well❤
Season 2 was just fantastic 💚. Huge thank you for everyone involved who helped bring it to the screen! You can see how much the cast knows and loves their characters and the world they inhabit.
What an amazing cast. I love how much knowledge they all have but especially Ben walker! He’s so funny too! I love them all so much!!!! Great interview questions ps!
As a huge fan of Tolkien and the Jackson films, I'm really enjoying this series. It's fun seeing what the writers are doing with background and origin perspectives and how they imagine things could have transpired to lead to events in the Third Age, as well as ultimately the Fourth. It doesn't bother me that it may not be 'canon'; Tolkien was always revising his narrative elements; fiction is creative and fluid like that. Sometimes these writers go in directions I didn’t expect or that I wouldn't necessarily go, but that's cool. That's why it's a story. Looking forward to Season 3.
I don't know if you noticed, but after Tolkien died, his own son assembled and re-edited his ; not him. Fiction is inherently malleable; Tolkien keenly understood that, being a linguist himself and a literature expert. He took "canon" from Norse and Celtic mythologies and reworked them into a mythology about a place called Middle Earth, which is in itself a fictional mythology about England. What you're really trying to do is set a boundary for another author which the author himself never actually set. You are appointing yourself as the arbiter of what is acceptable or not for a fictional story that you yourself did not create. Again, creative fiction invites other people to imagine what other possibilities could come out of these characters and places and stories and legends. If you don't care for it, that's perfectly fine, but it you're in no way makes you the authority on what is acceptable or not. LOL Next.
IMO the actors know more about Tolkien's books than the writers, and they would have written a better show, a platonic relationship with Elrond and Galadriel despite the perversion of the writers and showrunners
Tbh, the showrunners knew what they were doing with that infamous kiss. They knew it would be controversial. But that's their game: generating headlines. There can never be bad press if they are free press. Not so much of a progressive creative creative choice as much as a marketing stunt.
I still don't understand why the elves would gain power through their rings if Sauron never poured his maia power into them, like he does to the dwarven rings, the nine rings of men, and the one ring, and how would said elves come under his 'influence' wearing the elven rings if there's no connection between Sauron and these elven rings? Plus Sauron is suppose to become 'more powerful' wearing the one ring than, say, he was before pouring his power into the one ring (which seems like he'd just be as powerful as before not 'more powerful'). So removing Sauron out of the equation, it must be mithril that gives the rings their power.
Magic is rather specific in Tolkien, basically any skill you perfect can be seen as magic (+ intention is a big influence). It was Sauron´s idea to create the Elven rings, so while they are not under his influence they are also not immune to him once he crates the one Ring.
@@eryniel95 it was his idea for the elven rings in the show, but no in the books. the writers screwed up big time by having the elven rings created first.
I love that kissing scene because both Elrond and Galadriel are Adorable and Magnificent and Gorgeous. I don't mind if they change the lore a bit for Elrond and Galadriel. I want them to get married and love each other forever ♾️ I Ship Morfydd and Robert🖤💜🖤💜🖤💜🖤✨✨✨✨✨✨
Are you aware that Elrond is married to her daughter? She was actually kissing her future son-in-law. And honestly, there's no real chemistry between them, unlike the dynamic between Halbrand/Sauron and Galadriel. The kiss between Elrond and Galadriel felt really forced and didn't seem to fit the scene.
genuinely gutted at the amount of people defending this show. Such a shame such talentless writers got so much money to add to one of the greatest stories ever written. And hating this show does not amount to being hateful or anything really, shame that it hurts so many peoples (that know nothing about the actual books, characters or stories of Tolkein) feelings
@@TomOnTheTube no one asked kit harrington anything about anything until season 3 or 4 when GOT was clearly a smash hit. My agenda is my objections to pushing the actors in front of a bad show and then complaining about personal attacks when people confuse the actors with their characters. I would spare the actors, it's not their fault. And what are they honestly supposed to say? "My character was supposed to be married to galadriels daughter by now so LOTR can happen and, um, yeah, this show makes sense and everything's great"
@@AllTenThousand It seems like they're essentially channeling Celebron's perspective through Elrond, especially since he's present in the story. This could be a way to divert attention from the clear connection between Sauron and Galadriel. Honestly, the kiss between Elrond and Galadriel felt like an experiment by the writers to test their chemistry, but it didn't quite resonate as intended.
@@KC-py5vqto say the show is not bad is ignorance beyond reason. You can enjoy it but by many standards it’s outright bad. The logic errors in the story itself proof that point
The cast ought to reconsider careers. I suggest something in maintenance at a fast food outlet. Maybe they'll clean up their act because actors they are not.
Yeah, Tolkien fan for...wow, like 45 years. I think it's a great show. If there's something that "doesn't make sense" to you, you'll have to be more specific.
@@Revelwoodie One could be generous and start with the corrupted timeline. You could ask where is Galadriels husband and daughter throughout whilst she is busy hooking up with Sauron and Elrond. You could ask why they've made the rings in the wrong order. You could question why every independent civilisation in middle earth is now multicultural. You could ask why there are 2 Durins when only 1 was ever alive at a time You could ask why the balrog pops his head up 1000 years too early and why he is hiding in a cave next to their busy market place and nobody noticed before. You could ask why the male characters have no agency at all. Look at dopey Isildur or even his father or the stupid elves. Then theres Isuldurs totally made up sister or the blind black queen who is totally not described that way by Tolkein. The laughable siege at Eregion. Oh dear. The list is endless Its total car crash tv but at least strangely watchable unlike Disney Starwars
@@simonpayne8252 Let's go through this list: 1) The "corrupted timeline": If they followed the timeline from the books exactly, there would only be 2 or 3 consistent characters throughout the series, and every single episode would have a totally new cast. That would be a horrible show. 2) Galadriel didn't "hook up" with anyone, what a strange thing to say. As far as why she isn't settled in Lorien by now with a family, I'm guessing because that wouldn't be much of a story. 3) If they made the rings in the original order, they'd also have to go with the book version of events where Sauron isn't discovered while he's there, but only after he leaves. Again, that's bad TV. You can't have events like that happen off screen and expect to hold people's interest. 4) Why is everything so "multicultural"? I need you to ask yourself why this bothers you. I'm not sure there's any point in continuing, because I expect this comment to disappear in a few minutes, but hey - I tried!
@@simonpayne8252 5) The two Durins -- Showrunners have hinted at a surprise reason for that, let's just wait and see. 6) Why is the balrog there early? Because he's cool. The wall is sealed up now from the fight, so he won't come up again. Let's not overthink it, especially since we both know that this doesn't really bother you. Because balrogs aren't male or female. 7) "Male characters have no agency"... Translation: Male characters don't order around the female characters, at least not enough to make you feel fluffy. Men having give-and-take relationships and real conversations with women = "no agency." And why don't you cut Isildur a break, he's supposed to be a teenager here, he's never even been away from home before.
The way Charlie lights up when talking about torture
Finally a Sauron who stays in-character even when not in costume. This maia means business!
Well, Charles Edwards lights up in the same way. They both had a great time on the set.
“It was such a joy”
-Charlie Vickers talking about torture
well, i guess bc he knows this is by far the best scene in the whole show
Torture = the show
@@AidilAfham pretty sure he was talking about an actor he enjoys collaborating and filming scenes with, as well as being able to play this character and explore what drives Sauron. That would be enjoyable for any actor, as well as simply having a great job that pays you to do it LOL
@@chook1311 you people are so tiresome. no one's forcing you to watch
🤣
I now need a Rom Com Sit com where Gil-Galad tries to find love
The High King and His Lonesome Spear?
@@PiscatorLager"His sword was long, his lance was keen"
“My lord Gil-Galad” alongside with “My lady Jane” pls lol
Hahahahahah
I honestly don't understand how antis can say these people are blindly bumbling around playing these characters, and have no clue what the original works had in them. It's clear they're all so passionate about the original works!! (And as Charlie says, this is an ADAPTATION. They're allowed to be inspired by canon but then mix things up. ALL the movies have!! So it's not a valid excuse for complaining 😂)
Charlie 🤝 me
excited from the fall of Numenor
SAME
I really liked season 2 especially Charlie Vickers' performance..... It was pretty dope seeing another side of Sauron because if you think about it we don't really know him at all.
Why is the Gil-galad actor so much more impressive offscreen than he is as the Elven-king? Can't someone write this legendary hero-king as he deserves?
Hearing articulate well-spoken, well-read artists is such a joy to behold❤ LOVED season 2 😍😍😍
I'm amazed by how Charlie V. totally sees the Sauron character, all the facets to his evil, complexity of his choices and strategies. That requires a very well developed emotional intelligence, especially that we clearly see that he himself is a nice and kind guy. Impressive acting. I'm also very positively surprised by how Ben is a Tolkien geek, I like his view on the story and his character. Ps. Like the interviewer energy and questions as well❤
Robert clearly has a fresh haircut the way he's stroking his hair lol
Right! If Elrond kissed Galadriel, why Gil Galad can not kiss someone?
Justice for Gil Galad!
Benjamin Walker is just so swoon worthy with that beard and hair
Really interesting interview between people who are actually engaged with the material, thanks
- I should get to kiss somebody...
- I'll kiss you!
😅
No but seriously, Gil-galad should get some love too 🥺
I want to see kaya scodelario as his wife 😅😅😅 she would be grace elf like galadriel 😊
I'm placing my bromance bets on Gil-Galad and Elendil
@@PurtyPurpleYESSSS
Charlie is very handsome 💗😁i like sauron 😂
Season 2 was just fantastic 💚. Huge thank you for everyone involved who helped bring it to the screen! You can see how much the cast knows and loves their characters and the world they inhabit.
@@eryniel95 if they knew their characters they wouldn’t have changed the lore and some people wouldn’t be on the cast 😂
Gil-galad is the BRO elf.
What an amazing cast. I love how much knowledge they all have but especially Ben walker! He’s so funny too! I love them all so much!!!! Great interview questions ps!
Shame there in such a bad show
I just realized, Benjamin is almost seven years older than Morfydd, but Gil-galad is 119 years younger than his aunt Galadriel.
@@PiscatorLager amazon have made up there own lore timeline
Great discussion by the main characters in the serial on their feelings as they acted.
I'm sorry but Sauron is hot
As a huge fan of Tolkien and the Jackson films, I'm really enjoying this series. It's fun seeing what the writers are doing with background and origin perspectives and how they imagine things could have transpired to lead to events in the Third Age, as well as ultimately the Fourth. It doesn't bother me that it may not be 'canon'; Tolkien was always revising his narrative elements; fiction is creative and fluid like that. Sometimes these writers go in directions I didn’t expect or that I wouldn't necessarily go, but that's cool. That's why it's a story. Looking forward to Season 3.
I agree! The original movies were different too and still amazing.
100% agree!!!!
Yes Tolkien changed things but that’s because he was the one who created it. He himself talks about canon being important
Fiction is fluid but this fiction has already been told, they just changed it. Why you think it’s so trash and so many people hate it duh
I don't know if you noticed, but after Tolkien died, his own son assembled and re-edited his ; not him. Fiction is inherently malleable; Tolkien keenly understood that, being a linguist himself and a literature expert. He took "canon" from Norse and Celtic mythologies and reworked them into a mythology about a place called Middle Earth, which is in itself a fictional mythology about England. What you're really trying to do is set a boundary for another author which the author himself never actually set. You are appointing yourself as the arbiter of what is acceptable or not for a fictional story that you yourself did not create. Again, creative fiction invites other people to imagine what other possibilities could come out of these characters and places and stories and legends. If you don't care for it, that's perfectly fine, but it you're in no way makes you the authority on what is acceptable or not. LOL Next.
Ben, we absolutely do need Gil-galad to sing again! But yeah, maybe not another funeral dirge.
Best series ever 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
i love how charles explain the thinking of sauron
This show is incredible, the people stalking these videos to post stupid hateful comments are the picture of jobless behavior 😂
The show is dogwater, the people watching it are restarted 😂
@@illyrianaa "restarted" yeah ok 🫵😂
Hmm.. what is your job? Something at Amazon I expect?
Love this cast 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Elrond has Elf Ears in real life. So do I.
Elrond should’ve retreated there DURING the fight, he didn’t fight there with Gil-Galad and Galadriel was never there 🙌
IMO the actors know more about Tolkien's books than the writers, and they would have written a better show, a platonic relationship with Elrond and Galadriel despite the perversion of the writers and showrunners
Tbh, the showrunners knew what they were doing with that infamous kiss. They knew it would be controversial. But that's their game: generating headlines. There can never be bad press if they are free press. Not so much of a progressive creative creative choice as much as a marketing stunt.
the ironic thing is that nobody watches this show, so zero headlines were generated lol.
I still don't understand why the elves would gain power through their rings if Sauron never poured his maia power into them, like he does to the dwarven rings, the nine rings of men, and the one ring, and how would said elves come under his 'influence' wearing the elven rings if there's no connection between Sauron and these elven rings? Plus Sauron is suppose to become 'more powerful' wearing the one ring than, say, he was before pouring his power into the one ring (which seems like he'd just be as powerful as before not 'more powerful'). So removing Sauron out of the equation, it must be mithril that gives the rings their power.
Magic is rather specific in Tolkien, basically any skill you perfect can be seen as magic (+ intention is a big influence). It was Sauron´s idea to create the Elven rings, so while they are not under his influence they are also not immune to him once he crates the one Ring.
@@eryniel95 it was his idea for the elven rings in the show, but no in the books. the writers screwed up big time by having the elven rings created first.
The scene where DanGalf rescued Galadriel from the cave troll in Mordor was amazing!
I love that kissing scene because both Elrond and Galadriel are Adorable and Magnificent and Gorgeous. I don't mind if they change the lore a bit for Elrond and Galadriel. I want them to get married and love each other forever ♾️ I Ship Morfydd and Robert🖤💜🖤💜🖤💜🖤✨✨✨✨✨✨
@@corpse7333 there’s something sick and twisted about your brain buddy
🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
An average rings of power enjoyer 🤡
Are you aware that Elrond is married to her daughter? She was actually kissing her future son-in-law. And honestly, there's no real chemistry between them, unlike the dynamic between Halbrand/Sauron and Galadriel. The kiss between Elrond and Galadriel felt really forced and didn't seem to fit the scene.
(Mostly) great cast of actors in a shockingly badly written series.
Also they made Elrond so weak. Look at tge difference in lord of the rings and hobbit, he is strong
such an amazing and lovely cast for a mediocre and poorly written series 💔 im just keep watching for them.
Terrible show
genuinely gutted at the amount of people defending this show. Such a shame such talentless writers got so much money to add to one of the greatest stories ever written. And hating this show does not amount to being hateful or anything really, shame that it hurts so many peoples (that know nothing about the actual books, characters or stories of Tolkein) feelings
Can someone please tell the cast they can take their prosthetic ears off
I don't blame these poor actors it wasn't their fault.
Now, why in the world would we want to hear what the people paid to do the show think about the show??
Because we do with every film and TV series. Why else?
What's your issue...or agenda
@@TomOnTheTube no one asked kit harrington anything about anything until season 3 or 4 when GOT was clearly a smash hit. My agenda is my objections to pushing the actors in front of a bad show and then complaining about personal attacks when people confuse the actors with their characters. I would spare the actors, it's not their fault. And what are they honestly supposed to say? "My character was supposed to be married to galadriels daughter by now so LOTR can happen and, um, yeah, this show makes sense and everything's great"
@@AllTenThousand It seems like they're essentially channeling Celebron's perspective through Elrond, especially since he's present in the story. This could be a way to divert attention from the clear connection between Sauron and Galadriel. Honestly, the kiss between Elrond and Galadriel felt like an experiment by the writers to test their chemistry, but it didn't quite resonate as intended.
This is all nonsense lol
Do the cast and crew even realise how bad there show is and how much viewers are tearing it to shreds
Do you realize the show isn't bad and you're just a hater
You're the one only coughing blood here, mate.
@@KC-py5vqto say the show is not bad is ignorance beyond reason. You can enjoy it but by many standards it’s outright bad. The logic errors in the story itself proof that point
Yeah
@@KC-py5vq saying the show isn’t bad is insane. Do you have any taste in movies/shows?
The cast ought to reconsider careers. I suggest something in maintenance at a fast food outlet. Maybe they'll clean up their act because actors they are not.
This is the most pathetic hateful comment I've ever seen. And because of a TV show. Grow up.
This comment wins. The acting is as horrendous as everything else in this abomination of a show.
This show is a complete shitfest.
There is nothing that makes any sense to any tolkein fan
Yes it does. Tolkien fan here.
Yeah, Tolkien fan for...wow, like 45 years. I think it's a great show. If there's something that "doesn't make sense" to you, you'll have to be more specific.
@@Revelwoodie
One could be generous and start with the corrupted timeline. You could ask where is Galadriels husband and daughter throughout whilst she is busy hooking up with Sauron and Elrond. You could ask why they've made the rings in the wrong order. You could question why every independent civilisation in middle earth is now multicultural.
You could ask why there are 2 Durins when only 1 was ever alive at a time
You could ask why the balrog pops his head up 1000 years too early and why he is hiding in a cave next to their busy market place and nobody noticed before.
You could ask why the male characters have no agency at all. Look at dopey Isildur or even his father or the stupid elves.
Then theres Isuldurs totally made up sister or the blind black queen who is totally not described that way by Tolkein.
The laughable siege at Eregion. Oh dear.
The list is endless
Its total car crash tv but at least strangely watchable unlike Disney Starwars
@@simonpayne8252 Let's go through this list:
1) The "corrupted timeline": If they followed the timeline from the books exactly, there would only be 2 or 3 consistent characters throughout the series, and every single episode would have a totally new cast. That would be a horrible show.
2) Galadriel didn't "hook up" with anyone, what a strange thing to say. As far as why she isn't settled in Lorien by now with a family, I'm guessing because that wouldn't be much of a story.
3) If they made the rings in the original order, they'd also have to go with the book version of events where Sauron isn't discovered while he's there, but only after he leaves. Again, that's bad TV. You can't have events like that happen off screen and expect to hold people's interest.
4) Why is everything so "multicultural"? I need you to ask yourself why this bothers you.
I'm not sure there's any point in continuing, because I expect this comment to disappear in a few minutes, but hey - I tried!
@@simonpayne8252
5) The two Durins -- Showrunners have hinted at a surprise reason for that, let's just wait and see.
6) Why is the balrog there early? Because he's cool. The wall is sealed up now from the fight, so he won't come up again. Let's not overthink it, especially since we both know that this doesn't really bother you. Because balrogs aren't male or female.
7) "Male characters have no agency"... Translation: Male characters don't order around the female characters, at least not enough to make you feel fluffy. Men having give-and-take relationships and real conversations with women = "no agency." And why don't you cut Isildur a break, he's supposed to be a teenager here, he's never even been away from home before.
I hope this embarrassment and desecration of Tolkien canon gets cancelled so that we could happily forget it ever existed 👎
U mean tribute to Morgoth