Analysis: Taunting and Mind Games
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How taunting and mind games work in fighting games.
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More about operant conditioning: • Video
Hungry Rat: "Motivation and Reward in Learning" 1948 Yale University: • Video
Lerner & Keltner "Fear, Anger, and Risk: socrates.berkeley.edu/~keltner...
BGM in order:
Street Fighter V - Ibuki Theme
Street Fighter III Third Strike - Makoto Theme
Street Fighter III 2nd Impact - Yun & Yang Theme
Skullgirls - Pick of the Litter (Character Select)
Rising Thunder - Edge Theme - Ігри
"When a little girl cries because she hears her dad putting ice cubes in a glass. "
Holy shit that escalated quickly
PK NEIN lmao
PK NEIN i didn't get it at first. went from "why would that make a kid cry?" to "holy fuck that's why...". took all of 3 seconds.
I still don`t get it XD.......
YoungTheFish give it a minute
ohhh....
Ok, so next time someone Tbags me i am just gonna acuse him/her of warcrimes
oh you teabagged me? looks like somebody's goin' to jail for
W A R C R I M E S
You know what? Fuck Geneva and her convention.🤣
*Proceeds to rapidly teabag*
@@THElarry27 You only go to jail for war crimes if you lose tho ;p
mascar1lha Bruh moment.
But where is the war?
Player: *presses down 5 times*
Gandhi, an intellectual: *wiffs light punch 5 times*
Our lord and savior Gandhi
The energy of a legend
_True power_
Screw it nuke em
@@Descro382 Wrong Gandhi, and also wrong game. 😅
"Cancel into Fistbump"
had to pull that three times today, I'm bad at this...
do you think pavlov ever thought about feeding his dogs when he heard a bell ringing?
Now that's some deep shit.
piling on the layers
Gaze into the abyss
Or putting ice cubes in his glass before beating his children?
Mindblown!
So what did we learn today, kids?
-Emotion matters a lot in fighting games and competitions overall
-Taunting is a powerful tool to get the upper hand on your opponent.
-There are a lot of ways to taunt your opponent and they may have different effects, from -putting them off their game to actually motivating them to try harder
-Core-A Gaming had a rough childhood.
Asdas Qweqw 😂😂😂😂😂
perhaps for the last one "no-one in the comment section did psych 101" is more appropriate lol.
Asdas Qweqw insomniac...great taste bro
omg😂😂😂 are you talking about
I C E C U B E S
That last one tho 😂
There needs to be a sequel to this discussing the "taunt-to-get-bodied" phenomenon. I'm genuinely serious on this.
the what now?
@@vhscrust7872 It's a thing in fighting games (and especially Smash) where a person taunts after getting a round/stock and then proceeds to get their ass handed to them.
@@Ryusuta Happens a ton in other esports too, R6 has the now infamous "GG don't ever type again ty"
@@billnorthup7405 I think it's a universal rule that one of the most satisfying things ever is to demolish someone who talked shit, and the expanded versions having teammates trash talk you the entire game only for you to carry the whole thing.
he accidentally touched on this when he was talking about how anger makes you take more risks
Pavlov walks into a bar. He hears a bell ring and says, “Oh, shit! I forgot to feed my dogs.”
"a child cries just by hearing the sound of her father putting ice cubes in his glass"
thats some dark shit man.
At least there was a warning
Boooo!
wait
...oh
please explain
No, if you don’t get it, you don’t want to get it.
Today I learn a new term in fighting game call CREDIT CARD SWIPE!
now that`s badass.
Strange. E. Honda's fierce is the pork chop isn't it?
YoungTheFish sameeee
I laughed real hard at that part
Here goes another one:
In latin America Zangief's Screw piledriver it's called "El chupa poto" (the ass licker)
Cnovsky never heard it... maybe in your country only....
Ah the Genova convention, that piece of paper that everyone agrees with until real war starts, Then suddenly White Phosphorus falls from the sky
Fuckin' Genova lmao
but the point still stands. The fact that everyone agrees, speaks of our ideals in the making. In war everything is on the line, including our lives, which means we disregard things we strive for in idealistic fashion. In video games though, you are not that desperate, because: 1.) Numbers are not a factor and you are responsible for your loss. 2.) your life is not on the line. What you said is true, but the mentioned ideals which we agree upon still stand. What Core a gaming said in the video makes sense and it actually works.
Is that the convention which declares that no one should be forced to fight the same RPG boss more than 3 times?
@@harryradley yes
@@Sportfuck dude, it's fucking war, you fight to live, yeah the "rules" are there, but those get thrown out the window, it's stupid to civilize war, and I'm sure the Geneva Convention aren't being followed
“Grapplers cause you to feel fear.”
Except Luigi, he makes you feel the equally dangerous boredom.
Luigi and min min; the boring archetype
@@chuckydee2951 luigi and min min play very differently
@@josiuwustill boring eitherway
Don't forget that ' Taunt to get bodied ' is a thing.
Best feeling in the world.
You like to get bodied after taunting? To each his own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maximillian Dood says hi?
Taunt Lcancel 4stock is true combo
Arnetheus Solitarius i
Holy shit that legendary handshake > fist bump cancel
Frame perfect too. The man has put in work in the lab and he's showin' it off today!
But is it gonna kill?
_Gunpoint_ is a good game.
exploitativity
The fist bump was up first, so more like an auto-correction
"You know my moves, don't you? Why'd you just walk into 'em like that?"
Ken Masters
Man I hate fighting Kens
This should’ve been Ken’s win quote in Smash Ultimate.
Is that a real quote or a meme I. The community?
@@jesusmejia3417 It's one of his win quotes from Street Fighter IV.
Always knew this. But never seen it explained before in such a precise way. Thank you for the vid sir
didn't think I'd find you here.
Didn’t think I’d find you here.(1)
Didn’t think I’d find you here.(2)
Oh hi mark
Didn’t think I’d find you here (3)
Sure in real war you can't teabag anyone. They also don't respawn, so they won't have a different mindset going forward.
Just a thought.
Sadly i'ts just all the usual war crimes that litter history (such as mutilation of bodies, families, friends, ransacking of villages, mandated rape etc)
RAF Leader the Genova convention is a joke that nobody follows, so fucking sad
The Geneva convention is actually taken pretty seriously in late European history. Not everyone's followed it of course, but it has helped reduce the unnecessary human suffering in conventional European military wars.
Of course, moving outside of Europe, where most of the petty wars and skirmishes are fought today by criminals, terrorists or ethnic groups; the Geneva convention doesn't really reach them.
This argument is flawed. Desecrating your enemies' bodies absolutely can have an effect on the morale of their surviving allies and thus be an effective tactic in war. The reason desecration, rape, etc. are outlawed is not because they are ineffective but because nations have agreed that such psychological warfare is unjustifiable and immoral.
Might actually be my favorite UA-cam channel ever. I love analytical videos and I love esports and being one of the only analytical esports channels out there makes this my all time favorite.
I have a total playtime in fighting game of about 30 mins, but I still love these videos.
DJ Howard gg
Great episode!!!
I not even into fighting games and I love this channel, his content is always interesting
DJ Howard sameeeee
Before i knew that t-bagging was a thing in fighting games i believed that it was a way to test the connection between my opponent and I, like, (s)he was tbagging and when my connection get good i do it in response, and then proceed to fight
I just laughed cause it was funny
Good
tbh not understanding that someone is taunting you is like the best way to counter a taunt.
@@hedgehog3180 i would give anything to learn this power, can't tilt if I don't even know I'm being clowned 💀
T(est)bag
I always hated getting taunted on after a bad match in smash 4 online so much, but even despite this I'm still upset about them removing taunts from smash ultimate online quickplay.
I experienced the mindgame effect that taunts caused firsthand, it was something that worked, and now it's no longer an option... aaaand people have just started T-bagging instead anyway.
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Firecat1311 t bagging induced more salt that regular taunts
And taunts in smash are actually pretty harmless in comparison to other fighting games. In Brawlhalla there are taunts that are specifically designed to humiliate you, things like the character facepalming or sprinkling with salt makes you tilted af, especially since the game can be super frustrating at times.
Finn Siegel Luigi down taunt would like to have a word...
If you still want to taunt online you could just do more Arena matches.
Taunting in guilty gear made it right.
Every time you taunted at the end of the match, enemy got 50% of the meter during the next. Pretty cool.
that’s perfect
@leo mendoza it's extra tilt. "Here, take the handicap. You'll need it." It not only encourages good manners, but also, when you do get the taunt and bad manners, it's that much more impactful. "I'm so confident I can mop the floor with you I'll give you a free Yellow Roman Cancel, and I'll still take it away from you." I love it because when you see a taunt in Guilty Gear, you no longer think "Wow, that dude is a scumlord. Ugh, here comes the teabags. Immature." You instead think "Oh shit, we're about to see a SHOW! In a PROFESSIONAL ENVIRONMENT, this man just handed the other man a gun and said 'you'll need it!' Someone here is going to walk away looking like an extreme loser, either the man who threw the match for himself or the man who just was given a handicap and still lost!"
It turns taunting into a show, instead of an immature name-calling war.
Thats really stupid
Nah. That sucks.
@@sebaschan-uwu Nah, you just can't work it out with your koalabrain bruv.
Fun fact - before this video I didn't even know what tbagging is, it always looked silly to me and I thought opponent either prepares for next move this way or has trouble with input
Sigh, now I know and it seems I'm gonna lose that tbag immunity I had all these years
Taunting for me is situational. I never taunt my opponent, unless it's like casuals with a friend and we're both joking. In a competitive aspect, when I get taunted, I usual laugh because it makes me think of how stupid they'll look if they lose (assuming they taunted mid-set). As for me, my only 'taunt' is I tend to do flashy moves or pose after the round ends (usually with Lars) as a celebration for winning. Not as disrespect to my opponent, but a way to feel good about winning. If anything, by not losing my composure and winning with solid play, that's all I need.
"Beginning Zangief players will tend to always do their most damaging move, the spinning pile driver, whenever they get close to their opponent"
Bold of you to assume beginner Zangiefs can even input SPDs
SPDs are really easy to input, though. It's only hard when you play MUGEN on a keyboard
This aged like milk
„Seems like a cool video“
*watches video which explains why pigeons can play ping-pong*
Yep, this is pretty much maining Dedede in a nutshell
I hate Dedede for that very reason. I hope he's more garbage in smash 5.
laying on the ground so seductively... I love him for the various ways he can taunt opponents
My Dedede friend can be be down three stocks, at 160%, and finally take a stock with a random dash attack. And you KNOW he's gonna hit that sick Crouch On Ya, staring smugly into your eyes through the screen. Seen him make some sick comebacks just through the sheer power of that pose
@@lmao2302 Ha, he went from bottom tier to high tier
He can taunt online in ultimate. And they say Sakurai isn't biased...
"Cancel into fist bump"
Jeez you really know how to bring out the awkward nature of professional video gaming
The dark humor thrown in to spice things up a bit is appreciated.
Amazing!
-Risuno
AYEEE Beefy SMash doods
ayy
Beefy Smash Doods snore -my dog that is 1 human year older then me
"The grappler archetype is used to insight fear."
*shows Cerabella
Umm....uhh yeah! Definitely fear! I definitely feel the blood rush.. somewhere...
All that joke aside, If you're playing seriously and the enemy Cerebella was op... You know what will happen.
@@nov-kun2071
*raises hand* um mr. @nov-kun i know the answer
she teaches you how to stay in the air until u die from being stabbed by a sword in her boots
is that correct?
Lewd
@@voidbg7017 Whatever you think it is... Is correct but I have my own method of what might happen. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Well, it’s certainly away from the stomach.
On the slightest chance @Core-A Gaming reads this I wanted to say thank you. I saw this video going into high school and it motivated me to get into psychology. Turns out I love it and A LOT of it can be applied to fighting games. I graduated with AP points towards college and hope to make a career in it someday thanks to this
"Cancel into fistbump" - Gerald from Core-A gaming 2017
1:50 Woah… Core-A getting real freaking meta… rough childhood?
It's a memorable example. But yeah, pretty morbid lol.
I literally burst out laughing for 30 seconds, it was so unexpected.
wickdaggler hehe child abuse
That's real mental damage. Stun
Meta? I don't thinks that's what that means.
"war has gotten too esports"
ROFL
War... War never changes... The input sometimes get more lenient though...
well... it went from swords and arrows to guns to missiles. I'd say the input got more lenient.
@@98operate Nukes are too op, pls nerf
What I love about your videos is that you're so damn objective, reasonable and informative. You explain why taunting is valuable in the context of competition but also on why it is despised and you let the audience form a consensus through discussion rather than argumentation. U da man.
Not gonna lie, the Fighting Game genre is my favourite genre, and to have an entire You Tube channel dedicated to it, with also such high quality, is like a Nerd's dream come true.
I get pretty pissed even when bots taunt me but I know that it's something I have to condition myself to. T-bagging should totally be allowed imo because even if it pisses people off; those people *need* to be able to laugh it off if they ever want to reach #1.
Why would anyone laugh it off after the person intentionally wanted to be a dick to the other person. That's a person punching someone in the face and then telling them to respect them for doing it.
@@pancakes7483nobody punching you in the face irl buddy
If you get pissed off of a pixel on your screen going up and down, maybe get some help.
I always strongly believed 'teabagging' and 'taunting' are like humor: you gotta know when is needed and spot on, and when is unnecesary and gone too far.
There is no humor or honour
in doing something
Dirty like that
The people who does this will not be respected
Mark Brown from GMTK recommended this channel and honestly this was a top tier subscription. Love how you dove into the psychology and implementation of taunting as an aspect of gaming/competitive sports
Taunting in real life and most video games: mental tactic that plays off your opponent's anger and ego
Taunting in Punch Out: what the hell are you doing, you're literally giving Little Mac a free star
To be fair, it shows off their cockiness perfectly, literally giving little Mac a star cuz they think they'll still win
I love how I can return to these videos at any moment and be reminded of how beautiful fighting games truly are
Every time CoreAGaming uploads a fighting game analysis video I deadass drop everything I'm doing and watch it
you single?
the dan hibiki nah I stop during sex for Core A
Part of Sun Tzu's teachings in his book "The Art of War" are to enrage your opponent, they're far more likely to make mistakes and you can properly punish them for it. Tea Bagging is no different to me, it's psychological warfare.
My Dad has always told me, "If you don't want them to get your goat, don't show them where you keep it.". Condition yourself first, lest your opponent condition you.
Good Video. Well Done.
It's a videogame, not war. If you want to piss someone off at a live tourney to get a W you'd better be ready to throw hands afterwards.
@@spartanseventyeight8673 everyone in the FGC knows that when you start throwing hands irl, that's the end of your career.
@@LordJackass I'm well aware. Doesn't change the fact that it very well could happen, and you'd deserve it. .
@@spartanseventyeight8673Or you know, just keep your hands to yourself and talk that polite gentleman shit.
“You my good sir, are utter garbage, good day”
@@spartanseventyeight8673 imagine getting violent because of something that happened in a video game LMAO
"Two major components of Mind-games are:" minds and games.
Hey I've been binge watching your videos for a few days now, and I've gotta say you've got me legitimately interested in giving fighting games another try. I think the biggest reason they turned me off was because they just seemed impossible to play, but looking back I think it's because I just didn't understand them. I think I'll try again with the 1st injustice since I already have that game. Thanks for giving me an insight on a part of gaming I initially never thought about. Keep up the good work on the channel!
In fairness, fighting games have only gotten more and more complex over the years. Great for skill fiends and the dedicated - everybody else not so much. I like skill, but I'm not good enough to play much of anything (used to play the earliest Streets Fighters, Samurai Showdown, Soul Calibur, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, King of Fighters for fun, used to know the movesets for pretty much every major game from 88-2004) but I also hate games like DC vs Mortal Kombat - to me they are shitty broken games with no flow to them, and no depth. I used to love fighting games, but now I find no joy in them at all - they have all gotten so complicated they just turn me off. My fav is/was King of fighters 98 - again for fun - so many games old and new are "broken" for tournament play, but still great games in their own right.
I used to think that Mortal Kombat and Injustice were the best fighting games. Please believe me when I say that they won't do much for you. Go pick up Street Fighter 4, it's a good place to start, and getting good at it, makes you better at all fighting games.
same tbh
Melee tho 👀
Protip: if you are right handed, try with a left-handed stick. It seems counter-intuitive, but take a look at ua-cam.com/video/LwyKx8TvRcE/v-deo.html.
I am terrible at traditional fighting games, and I was able to do somewhat better when I took my fight stick and just spun it 180'. Yes moving the stick left moved my character to the right, but I still think if I get a "left"handed stick I might actually be competent.
4:51 I think Cerebella was designed to incite more than just fear in players.
That blood is being diverted from your brain though.
The ultimate distraction!
"Find a counter in training mode."
Ryu player: *does merengue beat*
This comment is going to crush for a very specific group of people
Go watch his video on reducing the skill gap and you'll get it
I'm very new to fighting games and I've been watching your videos religiously. Not only did I learn a lot of valuable things about fighting games in general, I learned a lot of other "miscellaneous" knowledge (in the case of this video, how the Geneva Convention came to be) as well. Your videos are so well-researched and well put together, I love them! You earned yourself a subscriber! Keep doing what you do!
"Cancel into fistbump."
Got me right in the giggles
Another amazing video.
I especially love the topic that was covered particularly.
Mental games and e-sports is becoming more realized and well known now more then ever especially in a professional setting.
Keep up the good work.
When people are refining the games themselves to this extent, people will search outside the game to get better and obtain the upper hand. It's human nature, perfect something so flawless that a new way of elevating the outcome is needed. Stone to bronze to iron, etc. Competitive gaming is branching out now. Mind games is always the first in a non-athletic sport. Although watch VR in 20-30 years become so good that gamers will have to be in top physical condition to perform. That's the ultimate step in this community's progression, the merging of regular sports with e-sports since the holodeck will eventually be a thing. That or the Matrix, either seem like a fitting end goal.
I like the idea that there will be a day where vr makes its way into professional gaming, but having a video game that requires physical abilities of an athlete seems impractical.
I say this because being an actual sports athlete pays way more then e-sports and if people are physically fit to be great athlete that they would be better off trying to be a pro athlete and not a pro gamer. Also the capabilities of future tech vr is scary. I shudder to see the day they decide to create vr that emulates pain. I don't know about you but I would not want to know how a ryu uppercut feels irl.
As for vr and professional gaming is concerned pro gaming can run perfectly fine without vr.
"The grappler archetype is designed to insight fear"
HFTF Old Joseph: *happy music*
That's pretty much every character (except jotaro) in that game
Me: losing but having a good time
Them : t-bags
Me: *Sweat mode activated*
Me: losing but having a good time
Also me: taunts after getting 1 knockdown
Them: *visible pause of confusion*
@@Cybrisk Joke apart, it really has an impact! Every times I get bodied first round, I start the round with a back dash and some teabags. The opponents have some weird reactions to that.
Lot of possibilities, but these 2 reactions are the most commons:
1) they T-bag too even when it's dangerous and sometimes you gain good combos opportunities freely.
2) They become way more aggressive to try to show you they are totally superior. And the result is: more possibilities to punish overconfident moves.
Love the that Skullgirls track you used :3
Ra's Al-Ghul Skullgirls forever
Filia
The Skullgirls Hype Train never stops!
Get on the train boys!
Valentine is best waifu.
I personally hate when I lose to someone and they teabag me. In my mind i'm like "Why are you teabagging me for? it was a good game". But I guess they're trying to get into my head and motivate me to beat them. Good video
SuperiorBryce98 I don't mind tea bagging especially mid game. but when i have those bad days, something is going to break lol
Frosty Wasp this guy😂😂😂😂
"But I guess they're trying to get into my head and motivate me to beat them"
More like they're trying to motivate you to mess up by trying to anger you. If people can't win without deliberately trying to throw their opponent off by annoying them with childish disrespect they should be sad.
Scrub.
"If people can't win without deliberately trying to throw their opponent off by annoying them with childish disrespect they should be sad."
Did you not watch the video? Getting into peoples head is part of the game man. If you LET someone irritate you by pressing down a few times then you are the sad one.
Four years ago and the beauty and intrucacy got me tearing up. Core-A you guys are analytical gods.
I love when someone tbags me it gets me all hyped and it's easier to win then, so I appreciate it.
Picking Guile against one Chun-Li
yet picking Mika against another;
It speaks wonders about how much of the game is played on a player-to-player level as opposed to character-vs-character.
Knowing your match-ups is important, in and out of the actual game. I'm betting many would agree that Ricki is more easily flustered than MOV is; both of Du's characters exploit this mental state well, but Mika friggin' FEEDS off of it. And it all goes straight to her ass.
skillustrate
its more easier to explain really. Ricki has had problems with Du's Mika all year in the CPT whenever they faced off. And MOV was not sure of the guile MU as he took losses from ISDD's Guile in EU events prior to CapCup. Just Du's. matchup calls paying off.
BludAardvark And then there's that. Thanks, I didn't know about the ISSD/MOV details.
Those previous matchup facts helped Du, but he actually told a story about MOV after Capcom Cup.
The players were all training in different rooms. Du saw MOV was playing and training strictly against Mika. So Du, deciding he wanted to be cheeky, sat down close by MOV and practiced his Mika tech where MOV could see it.
Then come capcom cup top 8 he went straight to Guile. While telling the story Du couldn't help but smile as he talked about how he saw the visible facial surprise and concern MOV had to this character pick.
paleposter Lol! Sounds like some shit I would do. The game is always being played-- on or off the sticks.
Shes hot
I really like the gaming analysis on this channel, you break things down so good dude. Wish you were my teacher in school I would've learned alot more. When I get Smash online for the switch imma come rewatch your vids. So I can get good
In a friend group where my friends repetitively taunt me for being decent, I've just given up as a whole, given that they care more about winning than making the game enjoyable
Just grow a pair, git gud, and taunt them right back to teach them a lesson!
9:36 That woman is my hero, i don't know her, but i already admire her XD
Her name is Angela Hill
TimTomTickleWagon the undertale pfp should have given it away
simp
"or when a child cries at the sound of her dad putting ice in a glass...."
......oh...well.... that got dark.
You see the number one player?
*He is a expert psychiatrist*
Psychiatrists are just psychologists with a license to prescribe cures.
Such as, "git gud, skrub."
The most interesting part of this topic is how the same action can induce so many different reactions from different players. For me, being taunted or instant-killed gets me fired up and makes me more passionate to fight the next round harder. In net play when you often have little to no communication with your opponent, taunting is sometimes my only way of communicating with the opponent during the match, even if my intended message "recognize your weakness, focus and fight me" can interpreted completely differently.
doood, love your channel man! magnificent analytics with historical facts and quotes to backup your points, and tons of cool references and easter eggs in the mix to make the whole watching experience just a whole lotta fun. awesome stuff man! respect.
3rd Strike has the best taunts. Taunt with Q up to 3 times to damn-near _double_ your health.
Keegan Blade Q's taunt only works up to three times you 17er
what are you talking about that's what I've been saying all this time sshhhhhhh
NOOOO IM RUINED
Teabaging (I think) actually might have one other effect, aside of taunting. It can also distract your opponent and make your next move less predictable. This way of using teabaging, however, is more appropriate for situation, when your opponent is knocked down, not when stunned. Though I never use it myself. I’m not that good fighting player anyway.
I think the most important bit about taunting is that rule of "Target is not of far lesser skill", which is where alot of contention with taunting online comes from I feel. An act of humiliation to rile an equal opponent is a tactical maneuver that is used to wedge the skill-gap between you, giving you control of the situation. No opponent is going to forego the chance to edge your chance of victory from 50% to 60%. Even as someone of limited nerve, I don't particularly mind getting taunted at in a heated battle and don't even feel the disrespect. On the contrary, actually. When an equal opponent has to resort to abuse my self-control to claim an edge over me, it's an assurance that I was worth using that on to lessen risks. I may not act it in the moment, but I acknowledge it and respect it the moment after.
When you target someone clearly below your grade with this shit, this element becomes null and void. It stops being a tactical alternative to attacking in order to soften the opponent's resolve and becomes a hollow power-play made in bad taste to rub it in their face. Just straight up bullying that proves nothing except how much of a shit you are. It's just not on-point to make someone's already irritating situation of getting thrashed worse by beating on their self-esteem while you're at it.
Overall, just save your taunts for when it's actually impressive to get away with.
Fighting games teaches you so much about human nature it’s craaazy
What are some examples of pop offs that go too far?
The first that comes to my mind is the Call of Duty player (?) who screamed "YOU'RE GOING HOME, F*GGOT" after winning a match. It was clear that everyone in the venue was not okay with that kind of behavior.
Got in his head, though. He took the win, though. Mind games.
Tim Barich Is there video of this? Can someone please link it to me?
It's not considered mind games if you do it after you win and you're done playing
Tim Barich Was he/his team disqualified?
heardofrvb I doubt it. It's not very sportsman like sure, but it'd be hard to make a case to DQ them for what is essentially "trash talk". It would have to be bridging harassment or uttering threats before you could justify disqualification. I've seen and heard a lot worse before. At decently sized tournaments too. People have throw controllers and chairs all the time without being disqualified. That's just top player privilege.
oh skinner box like most mobile games?
That's what I call them directly now. The term mobile game is interchangeable with Skinner box.
My god i love your videos and while i am nowhere near that level of passion for fighting games i still enjoy your videos because the majority of topics you bring up and explain is also relevant in real life fighting or martial arts
This reminds me of team OG playing dota 2, where they spam voice lines in game during tournaments and "tip" the other team whenever they win a fight, essentially saying "sorry for destroying you, here's $1".
I can only imagine the frustration on the receiving end of that
I think in game taunts should exist which affects even the gameplay. Like say give the opponent additional damage for their next attack or like Guilty Gear where in the next round, it gives your opponent half of a full meter. You can even give every character 2 types of taunts; the taunt that doesn't affect the gameplay and the one that does.
With very simple things you can make the metagate so much wider and more interesting to watch for the audience. It can also be used to make more personalities for the pro community. Like that one guy who always do risky taunts and still wins consistently. Sure there's that one thing that turned pretty bad but for the most part, taunts are all in good fun.
Like Luigi's taunt in Sm4sh? Forgot which button press it was, but it had the ability to spike opponents hard if used on the ledge.
Injustice 2 has this with a couple character traits.
High Rollin' Armadillo His Down taunt
A bit too late.
If taunt's granted bonus to the player it would probably be better to remove the name "taunt" and change to something else
....Like taunts in Third Strike?
Imo this is core part of fighting games. Mortal Kombat literally strive on this. The whole fatality section of the game is salty and i love it.
Bagging is so-underrated when you’re playing characters who can blow up the opponent on whiff-punish.
Dude may I just say your explanations in these videos are highly educational and I completely respect what you do
Totally worth the wait
Exactly. Yeah, it sucks having to wait a month or sometimes more for one of these Analysis videos but by God, Gerald delivers every single time. Any person who is into competitive anything would do right by watching these videos.
i fucks with the vision
is this a drug deal
siugbait worse! Its a meme
i like how you show the reference of the youtube channels you use by straight up showing the name of the channel under the video alot of us wouldnt look it up otherwise.. rare trait in youtube these days. keep killin it mang!
This was absolutely gratifying to watch. Well put together argument and well edited all around.
the way that punk dude talks in that interview clip reminds me of Danny brown so much lol
Ikr lmfaooo
Leffen somehow watched this video years ago. How else can we explain his constant taunting?
T1GlistenerElf Then there's Hbox who doesn't even need to taunt because people get THAT heated at jigglypuff.
He reserves those taunts for people like Leffen, interestingly enough.
T1GlistenerElf Then there's that one angrybox set at sandstorm after Leffen said Hbox wasn't one of the gods or something.
Maining jiggs is a taunt in and of itself (^:
You mean SFAT, who took the reverse lesson, where you taunt when you're losing badly.
The quality of the content of this video is outstanding. Really great job. Thank you so much for sharing it🙏😌
I love how they made a trial for T-bagging
I’ve noticed my taunting mentality changing. I taunt when someone is playing in a way that is spammy/bad so I try to show what works.
But playing good players when there are great combos, kills or just matches in general I just hold my character in crouch as a bow of respect hahaha find it’s better than most things you could do in games
My Smash Corner had a pretty good video on taunting, but this did cover other aspects of it, like conditioning and should it be banned.
I say no. Taunting adds another element to the meta in a fighting game: the psychological game. If you banned it just because it caused emotional stress, you'd not only be dragging the meta away from it's intended course, but I also feel it limits the players ability to express themselves.
Good work Gerald!
If someone gets so angry to the point where they would physically assault someone over a game, they should be banned instead.
bumber indirectly they would be banned. its called order of protection. i mean if you are not stupid you will file and press charges. then its all about going to tournaments if he decides to go to the tournament he gets to choose A) stay and play B) get the fuck out C) get scorted to jail by the cops D) he may act stupid or not know you was there. wich could give him a free pass to leave without going to jail.
at the end any contact with you is violating the law, so after the first incident of him showing up to the tournaments you go to he would most likely not go to the others, unless ofcourse this is out of the country then you cant really do nothing (or you could file another order of protection wich would be a dick move, im sure he/she/it didnt get a passport and a plane ticket to bug you)
Yeah, his video is good. I tried not to overlap too much.
I don't know about banning it, but I'm not sure it should be encouraged. I mean, the mental game is already there without taunting, so it's not like a huge chunk of the game would be lost if taunting wasn't a thing. Just kinda makes the whole experience go a bit sour when a guy teabags in a show of disrespect, and then turns around to shake their hand when the match is won. So disingenuous. So fake. I had hoped gamers would behave with more class considering the history of games and the disrespect that all gamers constantly received not very long ago. Plus, public humiliation is just plain cruel. Heck, most developed places forbid punishment by public humiliation, and that's for criminals, not an innocent gamer at a tournament.
I don't think so, at all. First, you allow fighting games to taunt in game, fine. Express yourself and how happy you are. Then you taunt before games. They already do it in the interviews and over twitter, it boosts ratings so much it's encouraged. Then they taunt after games, popping off and OOOH TEABAG HAHAAAAAAAAA GO HOME SCRUB GIVE ME MY MONEY I WON'T SHAKE YA HAAAAND. Where does the line stop, though? Suddenly I beat you in a top 8, I swing by your message board while you're streaming and openly mock you with how I took that top 8 game, then post a link to my twitch instead. I give you a call to let you know how terrible you are and disappointed you should be. Ultimate psychological warfare, right? I custom print a shirt of your girlfriend that dumped you and wear it to the tournament while I teabag you and rub my stomach- where her face is. That's not banned, that's just taunting.
Trump did the same thing in the election. Picked ONE target and bullied him until he dropped out of the race. Then moved on to the next.
Sure, slippery slope may be a bit of a way to describe it, but I don't think Daigo would appreciate me printing out a picture of his mother and taping it to my crotch just before I fight him. Hell, he hates taunting so much he wears headphones for fights, so I think it'd get into his head. Put up stuffed dolls of his character that have been cut open all around where the TV is, I just keep it in my pocket and pull it out as we go up on stage and ask "YOU MAD YA LIL PUSSAYAYYAYYAYAYAYAYAYY?" Doesn't even matter then. I win ONE round, the FIRST round, and already the humiliation, the pressure, and the pure anger will wash over. I haven't done anything illegal. Cut up a couple of dolls? Print out a picture and tape it to my crotch? I never even made advances to his mom, it's just weird of me, it's not illegal of me. She can get a restraining order put on me, I imagine, but the damage is done. Next thing you know, SFV is a game of "How far can we go without actually spitting in their mouths?"
People compete at tournaments because they're the best, not because they're the BM'ingest, cringiest, "WOOLAD"est mind-game jerkoffs. It's a disrespect to the community.
It's always so nice to come back to Core-A gaming videos. I hope you're doing well Gerald!
"cancel into fist bump" is honestly the best expression i have heard in a long time
since i main el fuerte in ssf4ae, that lesson helped me a lot
Geneva Convention: 'No degrading or torture in war'
Abu Ghraib: 'I'm about to ruin this mans whole career'
the level of analysis on this channel is so unreal, keep up the amazing work. 화이팅!
Your graphic design and pacing is amazing. The psychological aspect is so refreshing instead of just blowing off reads as a 900 IQ play. Conditioning is in everything and it scares me
smash bros even has buttons literally meant for taunting.
Bryce Lynch I love to use Marth taunt when he lifts up his sword and the sword shines hehe
Dark Zero that's my main
Pretty much every fighting game has a taunt button.
Bryce Lynch nice!
I think only Virtua Fighter has no taunt because that's a game for sophisticated gentlemen.
People who do it are acting on emotion themselves - proud, excited, happy. It's telling that their reaction to feeling these emotions, and a way for them to elicit that emotion further, is to antagonize their peers.
Strange take, even for four years ago. What do you think a competition is other than a test of your skills through antagonizing others via a game? It's not like this is some random encounter on the street, the entire point is to win. Psychological warfare is a part of that, everyone in the comp understands this even if they don't label it like that.
One could argue that limits should be put on it so it doesn't risk descending into IRL brawls but eliminating it entirely is silly and unrealistic. If you don't like the game, don't play it. Or do you elicit the same emotions by complaining about "social justice" instead?
Excellent content man... I'm rewatching all your vids on a binge and I must say you bring something different to this FGC table.
Just found your channel and I'm loving the content so far. I'm surprised you didn't talk more about Smash, but overall I think your analysis on psychology and conditioning was fascinating to say the least.
Normal players: conditioning and what not
Me: oh, down b didn’t hit? It will this time. Oh, he punished me, it’ll hit this time. Damn it! Ok one more try...
Doctor X Awesome Stop-Motion lil Mac players when they miss a smash attack
"When a little girl cries because she hears her dad putting ice cubes in a glass. "
Wha-huh- Wha- Wow how how, bro. Low blow, bro.
I keep coming back to this video. I just find it so fascinating.
Facts
“Ice cubes in a glass” That was dark as hell.. and unfortunately very real.