Why Porsche’s F1 bid for 2026 entry has finally ended
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2024
- Porsche will not join the Formula 1 grid in 2026 as it is believed to have ended its formal evaluation of a programme despite the championship still being of interest.
The stars aligned for a while, then it seemed completely incompatible.
And after more than two years of speculation, meetings, rule changes to make F1 more appealing, private and public declarations of interest - Porsche’s F1 2026 prospects are all but dead.
00:00 Porsche hopes over
00:25 Why it won't happen
03:13 Best chance wasted
06:07 An odd approach
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So basically, they wanted a controlling stake in a championship winning team while adding nothing to said team. In other words, they were never serious about joining the grid.
Ramadhan Mubarak, Souldry.
They would add money
@@0AFonseca nah, Red Bull already bigger than Porsche
@@LSchelvin71 you actually believe this dont you
The most Porsche thing Porsche could do tbh
The fact Porsche wanted Red Bull to hand over half of the entire F1 operation to a company that also owns Audi/Sauber as a direct competitor on the grid is utterly mind-blowing. Who at Porsche thought anyone would *ever* agree to that!?
Def not red bull who valued their independence since the beginning
afaik VAG owns porsche, audi, VW etc.. just because it a sister company/subsidiary, doesnt mean its like brother sister at home.. they operate just like a single individual entity.
Tbh, i don't believe they really meant to join F1. They probably just wanted some free publicity with, perhaps, a deal on the side: their demands were unrealistic and they knew it.
@@lattepus7888 Porsche AG is owned by VAG, but the Porsche/Piech family has a 53% stake in VAG. So it depends on what you mean by "Porsche". But true, Audi and Porsche has some health rivalry.
Things could change quickly for Redbull after Mateschitz death, you never know what the future holds, it could be the worst decision RB done. But I'm glad it didn't happen, now I can still "hate" on redbull! :D
The last time Porsche failed this hard, they were building the VK 45.01 (P).
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McLaren TAG were Porche
I think these teams are wary about major manufacturers bailing out on F1 so suddenly in years past, so not surprised teams like Red Bull and Mclaren would not relent to giving Porsche a majority stake.
I agree, especially with an engine manufacturer that has bailed out of F1 twice. RBR's name has become synonymous with victory, just as McLaren and Williams were in the 90s.
That wasn't the reason why. The dealbreaker for them was to lose 50% control for not much else in return
@@phawxhunter Knock Kock: Honda
Also the cost cap rules and increased amount of sposorship money teams get from much higher attention F1 gets (DTS, celebrities' social media posts) means teams can actually make profits now so why would they sell.
2008 and 2009 was a great example of big manufacturers bailing out when Honda then bmw and Toyota all pulled out. That Honda team that left behind only survived due to Ross brawn and that incredible car that let button to the title where Mercedes then took over after. BMW left sauber on the brink of ruin only for Peter sauber to just about save the team. As for Toyota well they just stopped altogether and moved on to endurance racing and rallying.
For the last 25 years or so, whenever there are rumors about Porsche and F1, I always said: "I believe it, when it actually happens!" And every single time I've been proven right. In don't want to be right, I just am...
No, I believe they wanted to join, they just don't want to put in the work to be successful that's all, and Red Bull basically told them to f*** off to Porsche trying to take them over and now Porsche don't want to join because it's too much effort.
All hail the Prophet of the New dawn of motor sport KeK!
Now I hope Andretti gets a team.
Nah F1 will keep throwing them to the kerb whilst chasing the uninterested manufacturers
@@Wizzkidwas it’s so messed up
@@kevinkevin6542 It pisses me off so much
The pressure for more teams is growing and there aren't many other interesting entry chances, hyundai I really don't believe, Porsche bailed out and honda, of they enter it will be by buying alpha tauri, so it will be andretti or nothing
Andretti will get the 11th team, but how soon, thats a inflating big question
I'm wondering why Porsche didn't try to buy Alpha Tauri..
Or alpine, williams, haas, etc.
Prolly wanted to get into the sport, and be at the top right away
because as the video said, they want a convenient deal. They basically want to piggy back an already winning team, instead of building/raising one.
@@Kaimax61 like Ford lol
Alpha Tauri is not for sale, thats why
Hopefully this will make F1 and the grid more willing to accommodate andretti Cadillac
Not likely. F1 as in liberty media probably wants it to happen, it's the current teams that aren't all that happy with it.
The problem with GM is they are not willing to build a new power unit, maybe Honda can complete their trio
@@sam-nariman6236 and that's a problem now? *winks at Aston and Alfa*
Yes please
@@michaelskoomamacher5652 I get your point, I meant when a new team wants to join F1, the new constructor should add some value to it. GM can easily enters F1 through an existing team just like Ford. Adding a new team is tough, they mist convince the current constructors, Liberty Media and FIA.
Controversial opinion here, but I’m glad Porsche won’t be joining the grid. The arrogance they’ve displayed throughout this process is not what F1 needs. They thought they could just throw some money at Red Bull, rock up on the grid and start raking in the glory with race wins and championships without doing the hard graft. Why? Because they’re Porsche. No thanks, they can stick to their other motorsport programs.
💯 well said
Isn’t ford doing what you described? lol
@@royemerson97 but they didn't ask for 50% of red bulll. that's the difference.
@@royemerson97 no not at all, Ford are just there to help with the hybrid system and also a bit of advertising. Porsche wanted pretty much full control over every aspect of the team outside of just the power unit
Agreed, they have only ever wanted to join on their terms, which they cant do anymore as teams are in a much stronger negotiating position than in previous years. I am just hoping Honda can be cleverer than Porsche and stay in F1 with McLaren or Williams.
I still think Porsche was mostly acting like it was interested as a part of a larger VW group plan to extract maximum concessions from the FIA for Audi's bid. Since they could dangle the promise of two new manufacturers instead of just one. It should have been obvious that the offer they gave RB was something they would never agree too.
Very likely
Porsche was never going to enter F1 they wanted the free advertising, they do it every few years.
Yep. Every 4 years in fact, Ming.
All it does is make them look like clowns and the laughing stock of the Motorsport Industry.
@@izumiculture4030 Porsche is far from the laughing stock of the Motorsport industry....... that is just not true. They have a very storied history.
@@TheSlowoldman Not nowadays though. They're the old man talking about how they used to be good. "I'm still good! I just don't want to prove it." Lol ok Porsche
@@go-away-5555 You need to do a bit more research if you think Porsche is resting on it's laurels.....
Most of the new rules set in 26 was because of the lure of manufacturers, such as Porsche. Some could claim, because of Porsche's public interest, and later Audi. Only to see Porsche with egg on their faces because they wanted to come in, and throw cash, while telling everyone how to win. Maybe that would have worked in the past, and maybe in the future it will again , but for now the reason for the rules changes is looking silly, and probably won't be back
Hopefully is.
They thought it was the last decade where F1 was desperately in need of new manufacturers, in 2016 let's say that would've worked perfectly, but nowadays with the growth of F1, they don't need half assed interest
Now that Porsche are confirmed not joining could F1 grant Andretti their entry already. They can't seriously be waiting for Honda to come back for the nth time before letting Andretti be the 11th team??
Thats quite original.
F1: He he Honda goes rum rum
They opened entries for two new teams, they wouldn't need to reject Andretti to accept Honda.
They're waiting on the Hitech team with Mazepins money laundered through Dubai, so we'll have Nikita Mazepin back on the grid in the eventual 11th team
@@-TheUnkownUser you think?
I could only imagine such a deal with AlphaTauri, but not with Red Bull.
Yeah they were rumors about redbull selling alpha tauri
But you need Ross Brawn or Adrian Newey to win in F1
@@paulcruse The titles of Fernando Alonso/Renault in 05 and 06, Kimi Räikkönen/Ferrari in 07, Ferrari in 08, Lewis Hamilton/Mercedes in 08*, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19 and 20, Nico Rosberg/Mercedes in 16 and Mercedes in 21 speak against this.
I can't wait to see how they come up with reasons to deny Andretti now that the preferred entry they were courting for years shrugged and gave up.
F1 simply doesn't want Andretti. There's no benefit to them. They're happy with 10 teams.
@@T_Mo271 sure there's no benefit to existing teams but f1 as a whole? there's got to be a commercial benefit, American team, American driver in the US market. By the time 2026 roles round expect there to already be 4 or 5 races in the US
Under the current agreement, nothing happens in F1 without the teams agreement. And they don't see any benefit in adding more customer teams that will split the prize money.
@@T_Mo271 F1 might not want an 11th team but it seems the fans do. Fans are the ones that pay the bills.
No, not really. It's the sponsors and the broadcast advertising where the money is.
I think Scotts take here is spot on. Porsche misjudged their relative value and the relative value of an F1 team.
Its Hubris, and F1 can well do without this attitude.
using attitude and F1 in the same sentence
you must be joking
F1 was always about attitude
youre right of course, but still
cant find a more pretentious thing than F1
Writing was kind of on the wall after the Red Bull talks fell apart
Agree.
New teams or bust, not interested in any take overs. So I won't miss Porsche in the least, they never seemed like they were seriously interested anyway.
Agree. Porsche only good on FIAWEC or IMSA but pathetic on F1.
At this point, I'm probably going to be dead by the time Porsche ever enters F1.
Yea me too. Been waiting for a long time
Thank God F1 teams value and respect others aspects too and may it continue to be so.
Yes.
I always found it strange that two companies under the same banner(owners) were really willing to spend that amount of money to be in F1. Didnt think it would happen
They messed up when they thought they would buy 50% shake on redbull and replace Horner with Seidel lol
They messed it up whole lot further.
They should've brought Racing Point back when they out of financial
No, They would ruin F1 with their greedy exec who doesn't want the team to be competitive..
I mean Redbull operation is flawless in every sector, Pit Crew, Strategist, Car design.. Why would they want to Control it? I mean yes Redbull spent a lot of money training their pit crew to perform Zero Gravity Pit Stop.. But why they HATED that costly training? If not because they want All money Redbull spent on training should be in Porsche exec's pocket
Porsche buying racing point was never possible. RP were running Mercedes power units at the time, Porsche had no time or inclination to develop their own(still don’t by the look of it) and a Porsche owned team running Mercedes PUs? Can’t see anyone allowing that!
Maybe Andretti can make Cadillac make a sports car for a change? I mean Saint's Row 3 & 4 had the Sovereign, which imo looked exactly like what I'd picture a Cadillac 2 door sports car as... And it was good...
Great news. Now they can concentrate on the WEC and GT racing
Maybe I'm not understanding the full scale of this, but why isn't Porche trying to buy into the Alphatauri team? There have been talks to sell the team anyway after Dietrich Mateschitz passed away
Alpha tauri uses all of red bulls resources. Same factory same wind tunnel etc. If Porsche were to buy AT they would have to use the red bull facilities which red bull would not allow. Porsche want a quick and easy deal for a team that is well planted in f1 that has all the factories and wind tunnels so Porsche do not have to build their own. Basically buy a team and control them stick a Porsche badge on the car and make millions is what Porsche are trying to do.
unfortunately it's kinda sad but it's very tough restriction they are
No one should be sad with this.. Porsche clearly wanted Redbull to be the next Ferrari circus clown who every decision making needs to be halted until the car manufacturers exec approved that decision..
We already have Ferrari and Renault the most incompetent works team on the grid, We don't need to make Redbull as incompetent as them just because they need to wait Porsche's decision in their operation
AimanFitri0IV, have u watched news yesterday that Setsuna Yuki has a new VA in the form of Coco Hayashi? I call her as LoveLive's Max Verstappen.
Surprised Porsche and Red Bull couldn’t come to terms over something involving Alpha Tauri but there you are. Hopefully now F1 has lost the main name it’s openly courted for years, they’ll be more open to other teams, like Andretti, who should already have the entry they want
Porsche wanted 50% decision making from the best Operational team on the grid.. From Pit Crew, Strategist, and car Design Redbull operates flawlessly.. So why they wanted to interfere that flawless operation?
It's because clearly Porsche only wanted the money not the demanding task to build a midfield team, spend money and developing the team to the top.. And it means Redbull's ridiculous training cost would be cut.. Remember Redbull is the only team that willing to spend so much money just to perform Zero Gravity Pit Stop stunt to train their Pit Crew.. With Porsche control it would be More Beneficial for Porsche to use that money to feed on Porsche's exec..
@@naufalpahlevi8976 happy ramadhan 2023, Naufal. From Purwanti Allan.
@@naufalpahlevi8976 lmao relax rb fanboy. The zero g stuff is for marketing not training lol
@@kevinwho9007 Pfffttt.. So you are saying they did not train their pit crew at all? And somehow they consistently get the DHL best pit crew awards every year?
I pointed out Zero G stunts to prove they trained their pit crew way beyond most teams doing.. Sure it's more of a marketing but to successfully do that stunt they've already trained their pit crew and it cost Redbull money.. The one thing that Porsche wanted to take from Redbull
@@naufalpahlevi8976 ?? I didn’t say any of that & I think you mean DHL fastest pitstop award which Ferrari have won, both of the races this year. Correlation does not mean causation, the zero g stuff is just marketing man it’s not that deep fanboy lol. Every F1 team train their pit countless of hours.
I'm curious to find out, does anyone know whether Porsche made a move to buy out Alpha Tauri? If not, why not? That to me seemed like their most realistic opportunity outside of starting a project from the ground up.
Alpha Tauri is not for sale. What RedBull is considering is whether to move them to Milton Keynes or stay at Faenza.
They wanted a top team, instant progress and development right away.
I think people underestimate the money it takes to develop a world class engine , look at Honda they suffered for so long before getting on top of the project. Ferrari & Renault engine have been around for so long but still unable to compete
A major contributing factor to Honda's problems during their time with McLaren were the "size zero" engine dimensions demanded by Ron Dennis. It's quite telling that the moment Honda moved to Alpha Tauri and were told by Red Bull, "build whatever engine you want to build, we'll just build the car around it.", their fortunes changed dramatically, and after a year with Red Bull, Honda actually managed to scale the whole thing down to be even smaller than the size-zero design they struggled so much with. The engine was compromised from the start and would likely never have achieved the potential the redesign has had with the freedom afforded by Red Bull
Such a good looking car livery though, a shame it won't see the light of day.
Great video and great comments. Didn't realize the extent of those pulling for Porsche.
I think people just want more teams. I don’t know of any sport that doesn’t want to expand except F1.
F1 certainly is the definition of exclusivity. A global sport with only 10 teams.
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Yeah, Porsche is big but they aren't bigger than Red Bull, so it was silly thinking their name carried that much weight that they could just demand and expect the teams to buy into that.....
They are probably the most successful manufacturer in motorsport ever so I'm not sure where this is coming from but I get what you mean
They are bigger than redbull, not just red bull racing, but the whole energy drink company
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A quick googling will reveal that you're wrong by several billions lmao
@@ihavewaited90daystochangem51 then i would advice you to make not so quick googling and checr source dates and also remember that there are 2 porsches AG and SE
@paper plane expand your horizons. You will be very pleasantly surprised!
Porsche doing a deal with Red Bull sounds only good on the surface because in the overall scheme of things a very big clash of opinion will lead to a huge downfall for both. It's good that it didn't materialize. If it were say a struggling F1 outfit, I don't see any problem for Porsche to make their entry.
Porsche wanted to ruin F1, Porsche wants to make Redbull basically the new Ferrari who needs to wait The car Manufacturers Exec decision before making an action
The livery in the thumbnail is 🤩
Good, leaves a more plausible option for Andretti Cadillac! 👍
I am more curious on how Honda is gonna be joining in 2026 , I think it’s with either Mclaren Or Andretti or both
Probably with McLaren, since Andretti is already commited with Cadillac.
@@kristoffermangila Cadillac will just suply the badge, so they could still use a rebranded Honda,
Andretti won't be in F1 lol
A few years ago Porsche did actually make its own F1 engines even tested them since Porsche higher up said no F1 they pulled the plug and transfered their personnel to Audi.
Porsche right now may want to focus on Endurance racing I mean Audi pulled the plug on its LMDh program to make way for F1 while the LMDh program got transfered to Lamborghini.
Ferrari can focus on its hypercar because the cost cap benefitted them in the long run instead of firing people from their jobs they can reroute it to other motosport programs while giving factory support to teams. I mean the hypercar program is done in conjuction with AF Corse.
I doubt Mclaren will ever have a LMdh or a hypercar program because Mclaren is just not big as Ferrari also i doubt privateers would be successful as they were in the 80s and 90s. Mclaren won Lemans in 1995 with a privateer car i doubt that success will be repeated especially today.
Audi LMDh program was not transferred to Lamborghini. Lamborghini was a separate project ever since the beginning.
6:42 - right front wheel man pushing the tires hoping to move the car faster lol
In no way am I surprised things played this way.
So this opens up a spot for Cadillac Andretti!
Yes. The only one left right now.
No it doesn't. Porsche never intented to join as an 11th team.
Nope. Both VW group never intended to make new team.
Porsche seem to do this every 10 years. If they really wanted to be F1 they could be with a re-badge Audi engine, Buy in by paying a % towards the Audi engine project. They also had Andretti as a potential partner who probably would go have been flexible if it meant getting into F1. The rebranding and taking control of an F1 team (were they going to provide an engine, they seemed to want Red bull to build an engine and car) for a bit of cash wouldn't really appeal to an established F1 team as there is little to no benefit.
Lol. If Andretti in that hypothetical case accepted, then the Andretti brand is lost in F1. Since Porsche would take a major part of that team and name it to itself after some time. Being a f disaster…
If Porsche had a re-badged Audi engine, this would be them accepting Audi as superior
what a surprise
that everyone saw coming
I think the fact that Audi is buying Sauber might also have been a factor in Porsche's failure, also they could have partnered with Michael Andretti's proposed entry but I'm guessing that Porsche wanted at least the same deal that they wanted with Red Bull to partner with Andretti, also I guess that Andretti buying into Wayne Taylor Racing in IMSA (who runs an Acura in the IMSA GTP category, also Andretti runs Honda engines in Indycar)
Andretti never had a serious plan to enter F1. They have neither the infrastructure nor the tech knowledge to do it (not to mention financial backing). Only American fans who don't know much about F1 took it seriously.
@@skyhigh6089 Andretti runs a program in Formula E, Extreme E, is one of the top teams in Indycar, his father is a former F1 champion, and he drove for McLaren, not to mention that the F1 effort has financial backing from General Motors
The ‘solution’ is to allow Porsche to build the power units that Audi and potential customer teams would run. VW gets a works team, and Porsche gets a presence in formula one. But then Audi also has a prodigious pedigree and I’m more than happy to see them on the grid, though potentially the marketing profile is greater with Porsche involvement for the VW group
Porsche seemingly only good on Sportscar racing.
Is anyone else fed-up of teams buying existing teams? We want additional teams!
Teams don't want extra teams, so manufactures need to buy existing team. Its the teams fault. I to demand Andretti on the grid with a new team!
They really should have gone the new entry route. Even if they didn't share a power unit, they definitely could have taken components from Audi Sauber to build the chassis and body work. But that's just my take
All I remember about Porsche and F1 ,was that lump of metal behind the 1991 Arrows F1 car, that lasted 4 races before being dumped.
porsche don't need to join f1 because they already have enough success and reputation in so many other series. there's no need for porsche to join f1 for competition or advertising because their reputation precedes them and they have so many other successful projects, including a new hypercar
they beat toyota in hypercar?
@@Pepe-dq2ib no but the point is that porsche are already working on this huge hypercar project that needs some improvements, throwing in f1 would compromise both
@@Pepe-dq2ib nice. I think it will take quite some time for any team to do that. The closest one was SCG back in Monza, but that was it. Can't wait to see the Sebring VoD later today.
This dude is high on copium 😂
@@Pepe-dq2ibthey did beat toyota in LMP1 numerous times
This makes andreti entry more likely.
Yep. But even that its 30/70.
Not really
Nah
@@purwantiallan5089 Why? They are the only candidate so far, and the line deal is June. its 99/1 already
@@RoyMatzem I think the same, especially after general motors came in.
I never want to hear porsche in f1 until they have two cars lined up for the season opening race.
Every rumour of sale or team going bust is going to have ppl saying ohh porsche could buy them, even if it’s a terrible prospect and has ridiculous circumstances.
The regulation changes were not about Porsche specifically, but about getting the VW group into the sport, which has happened with Audi. The cost and complexity of the MGU-H was a needless waste, and only Merc pretend otherwise. It also made life easier for RBPT, who have to take over the burden from Honda pulling out, partially because of the cost of the PU and the fact it isn't electric enough. I don't know why you would try to twist that.
Porsche wanted too much but had too little to bargain with.
Who in their right mind goes to RB and treats them as if they were Williams? They don't need rescuing, no team really does anymore, and I'm sure they didn't want to buy into a car that's on the back of the grid.
Meh, we'll take Audi
Finally quattro F1 cars
I hope Audi also looses the bid because I don’t want to see Alfa Romeo go
@@dontaskmewhy266 it has already won "the bid" (which to be clear wasn't the case) F1 and FIA have already accepted their entry
@@dontaskmewhy266 Alfa Romeo was only the name. nothing more
@@thepranjaljain I’m aware. I’m just saying I don’t want it to go not that it would change anything
Two engines made by Volkswagen and then rebranded as Audi and Porsche is what I thought would have happened due to reduced start up cost.
The moment that they announced they didn't want to either build a brand new engine or build a new team, I knew their participation was worthless. I really thought Audi was gonna be the less likely brand, yet their intent to actually contribute with a brand new engine changed that.
If only there were a feeder team currently at the back of the grid that are moving from Italy to a more convenient spot in the UK & are also changing their name because the brand isn't selling...
Both Audi and Porsche in F1 never really made sense to me in the first place.
KIA or someone should leak a rumour that they want to join F1 and then string reporters along for a couple of years for a bunch of free publicity and then just drop out.
This is sad!
Why? This is a good news
We don't need another Car Manufacturers who Loves to be mediocre like Porsche, Ferrari, Alpine..
Porsche didn't "blow it", they just don't have the interest in pursuing the deal further. F1 doesn't have much offer Porsche that it doesn't get from other forms of racing.
That Audi livery is sick.🥰
Do pit lanes on f1 tracks only have 20 garages? I know older tracks like spa and imola have more than 20. But what about the newer tracks that were built or refurbished when the 20 car grid was created?
I'm sure they would just build a new one...
@@irfuel yeah, I'm aware of that. I may have worded that part of my comment wrong. I meant to say that I know older tracks like spa and imola have more than 20, but we're the newer tracks only built with 20 or not?
@@guildwarsnerd123 well, I was thinking that too, but there's a bit more that goes into that when you really think about it. You've got pit lane length, the rejoining onto the track. It the pit lane ends in a turn, do you now have to lengthen the track? A bunch of stuff would need to be considered.
To be "F1 certified" track they have to be able to accommodate 12 teams. That is because of the agreement between teams, Liberty Media and FIA to have potential 12 teams on the grid in the future.
@@maciejherman4263 oh cool. Thanks for the info. Ya know, it's funny that the teams agreed to that considering how whenever a new team seems to want to join they complain about the "dilution of prize and advertisement money".
Still find it astonishing that VW were prepared to invest in 2 independent F1 programs
Porsche is owned by VAG but they pretty much do what they want without VAG getting involved.
Thats interesting.
This is good in a way because we'll be able to see their continued presence in the WEC.
What Porsche should have done with Red bull is bid for 100% of Red Bull power trains and used those facilities to build its own independent engine. That would have been successful.
Did not make sense for VW to have two teams, and Red Bull already had an engine designed, what would Porsche do?
Audi already is in and let's face it, Andretti/Cadillac in F1 is something racing fans in general would very much like to see.
Phenomenal video right here. Manufacturers need to commit to joining F1 and respect the sport enough to have a long term plan. Kudos to Ford, Cadillac and Audi👏
I think the real issue here is the FIA making these spots available when they know it is an extremely unfavorable environment for joining the pack. I wonder if the teams will feel so strongly about no-one diluting the prize pool after a couple of teams leave.
Also, if everyone is worried about the stability of the sport, why not put a clause in the contract that they must be in the sport for X amount of time?
nah porsche are just cheap skates who just wants all the glory but not the work,
FIA had nothing to do with Porsche entry.. Porsche didn't want to enter F1 as a brand new team, heck they didn't even want to buy small team like Williams or AlphaTauri..
I used to talk to someone relatively high up in Porche (high enough that they would be in regular contact with head office). They constantly agitated to get into F1, and will be furious they let this slip.
Guess that's what happens when you try to do it on the cheap and with an assumption of the high ground.
If Porsche is so desperate to join F1 they should found a new team. Get 11 constructors on the grid
F1 is in a great place...now, but it's mind boggling that teams like McLaren (incompetent clown show) and Williams (permanent back marker) are willing to live on nostalgic history and continue to be basically non-competitive. The sport will not continue to grow if 2-3 teams continually dominate, the Drive to Survive phenomena will wear off by 2026...
I think Haas could be a great option for Porsche to choose like Audi did with Sauber
Not sure ☠️
The Haas business model is based on buying most of the car from Ferrari. Porsche won't do that, and Ferrari likely wouldn't sell them parts. Haas doesn't have the staff or facilities to build an entire car from scratch including a power unit.
they don't wanna do the hard work.
They got greedy wanting 50% stake. Their brand is strong, but not that strong.
If they're coming in as a Power Unit supplier or a works team, all they had to do was look at what happened to Honda.
All the success they have right now isn't worth the embarrassment of the McLaren debacle. It's been years, and now they're winning, and in my mind I still see Honda as a shit brand.
Audi is about to find out the true price of F1.
Honda a shit brand ? Honda's issue before joing up with RedBull wasnt of their own doing. It was McLaren's philosophy of size Zero and the fact that Honda joined after the hybrids were already developed anc they werevplaying catch up from the start. Well they caught up and with the WINGS RedBull ga e them they flew by Ferrari and even better the WOKEcedes Benz too !!
they could just sponsor a team
They missed the boat, it's not 1999 & you just buy your way into an existing team.
I think Porsche decided not to join a racing series that makes up the rules as they go to secure a desired result.
Or a sport that is dull and dead
@@SD-mi2vc or both
@@DickTahshon exactly
Would have loved them with Williams & have a modern take on the Rothmans livery on the cars,but it is what it is,hopefully Andretti are also out if a big name like Porsche isnt here then i dont see why they would let a low name in.
Andretti has GM behind them. Depending if Cadillac is willing to commit to a full works team, Andretti might still be a viable option.
But Andretti is committed in making an eleventh team, and they have GM backing. Porsche wanted to buy a part in a successful team and to have decision power in said team, which is not enough for anyone in the grid currently
Once the red bull thing didn’t happen I never thought I they’d come in. Not a huge shame given they were never going to do an engine anyway
I'm glad the RB-Porsche deal fell through
F1's idea of more cars on the grid is nothing more than lip service until it actually happens.
This is the second time that Porche/VW has left a partner standing at the altar. It was VW that wanted hybrid engines in F1. They partnered with Williams when the new engine specification was being developed. William's stonewalled on their behalf. Some of the engine suppliers were open to hybrids others like Ferrari were against it. Over nearly two years the discussions went on with everyone eventually agreeing on hybrid power trains. VW walked away without a deal with Williams. William's had no hybrid engine deal. Although Merc were prepared to supply Williams with engines Maclaren would not allow it. Once Dennis left and Merc got their own team, a deal was done. VW's concession to Williams was to take the mechanical kers (flywheel) that Williams developed.
Trying to take over 51% of a existing F1 team is mad.
4:35 is telling - teams would rather settle for mediocrity as long as it produces cash flow than cede control in a venture that takes risk to be more successful. That will entrench the top teams.
As a Porsche owner and fan of their other motorsport programs, I am glad Porsche did not join as f1 is a luxury not a reasonable investment, they will not sell extra cars by having f1 technology in it, everyone knows the endurance races are their thing and their pedigree in that regard is unmatched. Mercedes needs a 2.5 million car to beat a Porsche on the nordschleife so I don't think it is a big loss for Porsche. Not to mention for the f1 teams it makes no money. I don't see it as a big loss considering the the barrier of entry is so expensive, you might as well be robbed.
Difference between all those manufacturers you mentioned and Porsche is, Porsche doesn’t need F1 to sell cars or to have a strong motorsport heritage.
Just look at how well Porsche models sell on release.
It’s F1 that lost out, not Porsche.
So what will porsche do now?
Had they targeted a team with no championship winning history a name change might have been on the cards. However with so much cache tied to having won there was no way RB, MC or Williams would sacrifice their biggest and most recognisable asset.
That said after so many previous failures we can hardly blame Porsche for wanting to start with a proven team.
Maybe they'll be back one day
I saw a recent vid showing why Porsche doesn't need F1... something about having so many customers ordering cars that they have a huge waiting list... they can't make enough Porsches to keep people happy... so they don't actually need more sales... So using F1 as Advertising was just a waste of money... So, who knows how serious they really were... Seems like they wanted everything their way for as little cost/effort as possible... The unrealistic offers might have been because they weren't that worried about F1 unless it was going to be easy!
why don't they line up with GM and Andretti
They seen Aston and changed mind:)
I think they're really gonna regret not giving it a better go. They pretty much just low balled every team they talked too
I was really excited at the prospect of a Porsche F1 team. Only seeking a sponsorship deal and not wanting to run an actual race team has negatively skewed who and what I thought Porsche were.
Maybe F1 will stop moving the goalposts on Andretti-Cadillac now?
I would love to see Andretti Cadillac on the grid!!!
So Formula 1 changed it's rules to accommodate Porsche, but won't allow Andretti on the grid even though Andretti has jumped through every single hoop placed in it's path. Make it make sense.
What you talking about? F1 already announce 12 teams after 2025, Andretti is allowed already...
@@RoyMatzem Do you have a link to where Andretti has been granted that position on the grid?
I can't find anything that says that it's been approved by the FIA or F1.
@@EchoMirage72 They didnt granted position to anyone... They opened to 2 new teams enters in 2026, the interesed have present they offer until June, so far only 1 team presented; Andretti. So its Andretti vs nobody. How they can lose?
@@RoyMatzem You literally just said that Andretti was going to be on the grid in 2025.
@@EchoMirage72 I litterally said "after 2025" which is 2026...
The 963 is not a true LMH car. It's an IMSA car allowed to race in LMH. The chassis is not designed or built by Porsche, it's a Canadian Multimatic, in accordance with IMSA rules.
How EMBARRESING it must have been to come up with such a ridiculous offer to multiple teams, get rejected HARD! Letting it blow up in your face and then suffering the crushing defeat of pulling out of F1 Bid for 2026. They were lazy and greedy.