The Race Car Faster Than F1
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This is the Porsche that was faster than F1, and smashed a 35-year-old Nurburgring lap record… I’ve spoken about it before, but this time I got an interview with the Technical Project Lead - to understand exactly HOW Porsche did it.
And it’s crazy stuff, it’s almost the real-life version of my “F1 with no rules” video from a few weeks ago. They took their already, extremely fast LMP1 car, and made it over 12 seconds faster at Spa -- that’s 11%, a huge amount in motorsport.
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"Porsche beat everyone, but me", man, I'd never stop saying that. My wife would leave me and my family would disown me, but I'd never stop saying it.
😜😜
Quite a boast. Who could blame you.
Quite a boast. Who could blame you?
I notice you kept your dog out of it 😅
@@darrelstickler No a pet person myself, but even they would shun me. Animals can sense stuff.
I actually never knew you held the Brands hatch lap record. Props to you mate.
The record on the shorter Indy circuit, not the Grand Prix circuit, mind.
@@Mikebumpfulyou are the rain on parade day. He owns the record. You own negativity.
@@jordanbabcock9349 I think it needed to be specified.
@@jordanbabcock9349what if "the record" doesn't exist?
@@jordanbabcock9349 In the same way, Max Verstappen holds the Nurburgring lap record, no lie!
Casually flexes creating a record on brands hatch circuit 🤯😵💫
Nah, that was a full on brag! Lol
Yeah he mentions this veryyyyy often lmao
at least it’s a good record
That's nothing, I already beat his record... In Gran Turismo 😂 hahaha, jk 😝
If you have the muscles... flex.
I would love to see a no-limits category with tiny budget cap. Like $100,000 per car.
Imagine the innovation.
$100,000 wouldn't make much. But I guess it'd be nice to see them get creative with the budget
@@Atisdel_Entertainment $1,000,000 would be a better ammount, you give them room to make actual innovations and it is still restricted enough that they have to be creative with budget spending.
@@TheProkonover Yeah
Check out some Formula Student and Pikes Peak cars.
look at 24 hours of le mons
Dude, don't stop mentioning your record. That's something to be proud of.
Just be tasteful, albeit cheeky. ;)
It'll be broken one day. Until then, keep flexing 😅
Very cool of Porsche to allow this project, and give it enough budget and freedom to succeed.
Barely!
it's a bit of a disappointment to see that there was much more that they were able to but couldn't because they were limited on time and money. What deadline were they limited by? The car doesn't even race! Why so few test miles? Why not extend the time of development by a few years? The engineers behind it were clearly very passionate and motivated. Imagine a v6 or v8 swap, larger turbos, or the larger tires! Maybe we will never get to see a truly unlimited race car. Maybe that's what the bolide is for.
@@enolopanr9820 I guess time is money, you can't just let your employees keep working on this project forever that doesn't actually make money
@@enolopanr9820more time spent working on the car = more wages paid, more facilities being used, all in all, more money being spent. Time really is money, and money is a valid constraint
They should have gotten them Adrian Newey.
Taking a space ship of a race car to laguna seca and only taking 2 seconds off a track record set by an indycar with no power steering from the time of grainy tv footage is mental and a testament to how good some race cars were.
Or using the right tool for the job.
That must have been an amazing period in the history of Indycar.
I think those drovers deserve a lot of the credit too
Until you have travelled at speed through that corkscrew you have no idea what G's or leaving your stomach on the track feels like lol!
Would be interesting to see this old car on a modern tires.
Driver61, the only driver to beat the 919 Evo. Still not as good as me of course but still good
i think i am better than you and driver61 and 919evo (the only driving i ever did is in a fwd 90hp shitbox)
Me: knows nothing about cars
Also me: worth watching.
Welcome to the club
I put air in my tire once. My hands got all dirty.
23:09 "brake by wire or BBW" JAJAJAJJAJAJA
I knew about this, but was surprisingly interested throughout the video in learning exactly how. Great details and interviews!
Seeing this car in action at Rennsport Reunion in 2018 was unbelievable. It clocked 188 mph at the Laguna Seca speedtrap. Anyone who has been there knows the speed trap isn't that far up the main straight. Rocketship does not describe the 919 Evo, and seeing it up close in the paddock was something I will never forget.
This is one of the best videos you’ve done on a specific vehicle. Thank you. This is awesome.
The high tire pressure in the corners is a must. I noticed this on motorcycle tires as well.
Love these videos dude. Would like to see your driving more too!
7:30 Regarding tyre width, increasing it doesn't increase the grip from friction. The formula for friction forces do not even include information about the contact area.
However, wider tires are better for race-cars for two main reasons.
Firstly, tyres, especially soft racing tyres, don't get all of their grip from simple surface interaction friction, they get some of their grip by smooshing into the gaps and cracks in the road surface which is HIGHLY dependent on contact area.
Secondly, larger tyres experience less pressure because the force from the ground is acting on a larger area. This means they wear more slowly (and there's more tyre to be worn away) which lets you get away with softer compounds that have higher coefficients of friction, while still having a working tyre after a lap.
I would have sworn I learned about that from this channel, in one of his videos on the history of F1 tyres. If so, it's an odd oversight. Maybe he meant more grip over the entirety of a lap - since a smaller patch would get too hot and wear too fast, given it's already a problem with the quite wide F1 22 regs tyres.
iirc the main reason, that applies to all cars, is that the physics equation is perfect world setting only. in reality as cars lose grip on a turn they lose material and for that the wider tyre means losing less % of total material
Excellent video team, it's great to see what goes on behind the insane Nurburgring lap!
Absolutely love the Brands Hatch plug haha, love your channel and you and your team rock! Keep up the great work🙌⚡️🙌
amazing video. Thank you so much. One can almost FEEL Steven's childlike enthusiasm. GENIUS
Excellent insights and video production. Thank you!
This was excellent. Nice job Scott👍👍
great video by the way thank you for the amazing commentary!!!!
Imagine how much cheaper would F1 cars be if instead of making a 10 million dollar engine, you just evolved the suspension, aerodynamics and reduced weight.
Yes, a $10 million engine that is weaker than engines made decades ago.
Modern racing stifles innovation and keeps fair competition from eating their lunch... see Koenigsegg. Lol, he smoked them all.
@@JoeGator23 weaker? define "weak", because right now F1 has the more reliable and efficient engines in the history of sport. Mechanical DNFs due to engine failures are very VERY rare. They may not have the biggest power output, but they compensate it greatly in other areas. Current F1 engines would smoke any of the previous F1 engines.
F1 fogies whine louder than the engines they talk about. You know, the ones that were only around for 7 years
@@TheProkonoverThat's not true because power and weight are the only relevant engine characteristics. Longevity wouldn't be a concern if it wasn't for ridiculous regulations.
Idk how F1 has so much money put into it yet manages to be such a dull slog to watch.
This presentation provides a very condensed and on point picture of the why of engineering - Great subjects and lessons on how to balance competing requirements - Thank you for posting
Freaken insane the work effort and thought that went into this project is phenomenal
I frigging love the 919 Evo, such a wild project even with the time and budget constraints. Managing to push the carbon tub and tires to their limit just from aero gains is just wild haha.
As a newly retired former Ad Man, and long time automotive fanatic, my life would be complete if I was to win this drive.
Love this channel and this episode. ❤️👍🍷
Top notch video, good explanation of all the features, although no mention of the driver, takes a top driver, to pilot a car like that, at those speeds👍
He did mention the driver being very fast and put a picture of Nick Tandy. 10:10
That Mazda 🎶 though. Porsche: 🎵 ✈️
Yeah that Mazda sounded so good.
Good video that shows how much there is to think about when making a car faster. Its incredible what Porsche did in that short time.
I never used to be into cars, but racing sims got me deep down the rabbit hole. I still don't understand much of it, but I absolutely love the sport and have a huge amount of respect for those involved.
Welcome aboard!
@@moiv8 Thank you. Feels good here.
@@DamienBlade happy to hear that brother, you found a good place!
@@moiv8 I play Gran Turismo 7 as my main simulator, and honestly, I've really enjoyed doing oval races. I know they SEEM basic on the surface, but there is so much strategy that goes into those races.
I love how you address this topic with such honesty.
The front diffuser is in fact a nozzle, the opposite to a diffuser. A nozzle accelerates the air and reduces the pressure. (Think of the nozzle at the end of a garden hose, in the hose the water pressure is high and the velocity is slow, at the tip of the nozzle the pressure is atmospheric and the water velocity is much higher than in the hose.) A diffuser slows the air and increases the pressure. The nozzle at the front accelerates the air relative to the car from car velocity to a higher velocity producing high velocity air going under the car with the subsequent drop in pressure. High pressure converted to high velocity and low pressure. The diffuser at the back slows the high velocity air and increases the air pressure back towards atmospheric pressure. High velocity and low pressure converted to lower velocity and higher pressure. Both nozzle and diffuser work together to produce the higher velocity and lower pressure under the vehicle.
I forget what it's called (F-Duct?) but they had a similar concept in F1 for a bit. Sauber came up with it I think, hence they all ran the shark fin bodywork for a while.
The takeaway here should be how insanely fast F1 cars are if an LMP1 car needs its fuel flow limit removed, energy deployment limits removed, skirts added, weight reduced, special custom quali tyres fitted and movable aero added just to match F1.
And the w11 would still beat it lol
Bingo. If they made a new one every year and raced it against other equally unrestricted cars every weekend all around the world then maybe it would be a more valuable comparison. But I've seen this clickbait title too often now, especially since it was immediately beaten again the very next time F1 went to Spa after this record even though they didn't give a shit about absolute lap records. Nobody is questioning the fact that regulations hold cars back. That's what's impressive with F1 is that it takes a purpose built unrestricted version of the second fastest race car in the world to go faster than they do every weekend.
F1 is WAY lighter, fanboy
Or how extremely limited the starting 919 is......
I mean that’s not really a take away, f1 core concept is already the receipt for the fastest track car, high down force, high hp and low weight.
I was in the crowd at Brands Hatch when you broke that record over 20 years ago. It was great to watch.
Thanks Scott, exellent video.
That's an answer for the guys who says "unrestricted car, blah blah". Yes it isn't commited to any rules, but the huge time and money constraints make 919 Evo even more impressive.
So sad mate that I can’t enter from Australia. Still love your channel. Cheers from Bundaberg.
Fantastic video, and I loved the reference to (I believe Gordon Murray said it) “adding lightness”
Colin Chapman: "Simplify, then add lightness”
19:35- that’s gotta be the ultimate butt-pucker moment for a driver in a predominantly aero car- getting that light over a crest. I watched(YEARS ago), the BMW LMR go ass over tea kettle at road Atlanta on approach to the downhill chicane on the back straight. I can’t remember if it was lhetto or their other guy. We left that race with the front clip of that car. The guy with us that took it passed away a few years later and his wife sold it for pennies because she thought it was “just some broken plastic”. We all know it wasn’t plastic and DEFINITELY not junk. It was a piece of history that was sold in a garage sale for $10. If you’re reading this and have that front clip- shame on you for taking advantage of her. You know what you did
If they used wheel covers, would it go faster?
Like with everything on high performance vehicles, everything needs to work together. So sometimes wheel covers are great pieces of aero, especially when designed properly and in harmony with the rest of the cars aero. But other times they can restrict airflow to or from the breaking systems, which could mean red hot/combusting breaks. Its always something that's a pro vs. con on these cars. I like to assume the best engineers in the world tend to look at every avenue to make their cars faster, so Id bet they probably looked at em and decided to opt out.
@@Amm17ar indeed, it works best for top speed records, which need minimal braking, only when you end the run. For a track car it needs airflow like crazy for the brakes, so that wouldnt work.
@Amm17ar Fantastic response mate.
@@XDemKneesX Thanks, appreciate that!
@@Amm17ar*braking systems, which you don't want breaking
1:43 Love Porsche but that Mazda 787b is still my fave Group C monster 🥰🥰🥰
Another great vid man
Great video! thanks for making it!
Wow, Scott did a 0:38.032 with Benetton on the IndyCar layout, 6 turns for a 1.944 km long circuit
Congrats to you gor holding brands record. I was at brands the day that porsche went around the track & even got up close to it in the pits
I was at Brands for the Tandy fast lap, had a good look around the 919....... absolutely amazing.....
Indie car/cart/champ were all great series. Used to love it when they came to the UK to Rockingham speedway.... Which no longer exists 😩
Another example of the "business of racing" ruining it for the teams, drivers and fans. Their end result was to go the way of the dinosaur.
This was very interesting, watched it several times
That inset picture at 9:03 was fascinating. 😮
Brilliant! Been so curious about how they pulled this off! Smashing the content mate 👊🏻
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT A TEACHING RACING BASICS PLAYLIST SERIES?
it would be a cheap easy way to make a video, and make money.. LOVE WHAT YOU DO
Don’t ever let anyone forget that Porsche couldn’t beat you😂😂 that was great m8
Ridiculously fast because they can. That's the Porsche I love. I can't imagine the joy when they got the green light on that project.
Great video!
At this point it’s just a reverse airplane
That’s why I love them because it goes with the as above so below theory
Hi! I don't know nothing about you but i love your knowledge and the way you share it with us. I have some very interesting ideas and I have need to share it with someone. It's something new and related to drag. Would you spare a few moments with me to explain?
Thanks for all!
Amazing engineering on the car but I think the driver deserves more attention too what a lap. Hard to imagine cornering at those speeds.
What a flex to have a lap record
This car is absolutely mental to drive in a sim. Especially on Nordschleife.
omg yes, i spent all of lockdown back in 2020+ doing exactly this on asseto corsa, what a blast. love this car
@@soleenzo893 It's such a thrill the first time you take this car and full send at Schwedenkreuz. Then full send again in Fuchsröhre and uphill braking for Adenauer Forst.
Unfortunately the versions used in AC and PC2 are not very accurate as they're only mods made by fans.
You should try the X2014 Red Bull, it's amazing
@@BattleBro360 The 2000+ HP version is comically quick. It's so insane that I did like a 3:30 around Nordschleife and I made tons of mistakes.
What a video. Thanks for it! 👍
Mention it all you want - mad props!!!!
It’s a shame Red Bull Racing and Porsche couldn’t come to an agreement a little while back. Can you imagine Newey doing his aero wizardry while being powered by Porsche?
If you think RBR is dominant now, then just imagine how far in front of everyone else they’d be. Instead of Max finishing 22 secs ahead like he did at the Bahrain GP he’d be packing his bags to leave the track with the winners trophy while everyone else is still on the circuit. It’d be a sight to behold.
majority of the “suction” that diffusers produce is a product of lower pressure in the wake of the car. the bernoulli principle works to extract the most benefit from high pressure to low. not really related to airfoils
Awesome from Tasmania 🇦🇺✅
AWESOME! Thanks for sharing and explaining so well! I'm just going to have to watch the record breaking lap at the Nurburgring for so many times that I've lost count as it's just so F***King epic. And apolitically Fast! 🙂😎🤓
Not the kind of bbw I'm used too. 😂
I love how every time he talks about what he did, he has a huge smile! 😁
Dude. If I had a lap record at Brands, I’d shout it out every chance I get. Amazing.
The engineer is so laid back
He's an Aussie.
Finally this video comes🙏
I wanna see a high-end series with the biggest performance restriction moved out of the car. The driver. Put them in a sim-rig at the track (lots of marketing potential there), the amount of weight saved from all the crash protection and need to have a huge hole in the middle, would allow for much faster cars on current tyre tech. Then mix in WEC Hypercar style rules governing amount of downforce and such, but mix in a limitation on aerodynamic wake in critical areas (so the engineers work to reinforcing that intent, rather than against it).
Not having a life on the line when things get pushed too far, would help liberate the regulators as well, so that engineers can really have some fun. Slashing the weight limit from F1's level, would mean existing catch fencing should typically be sufficient to deal with the increased speeds as well.
The drivers would still have to be at the track to keep network latency sufficiently low, and guard against DDOS, but they also wouldn't be exposed to the harsh environment inside the cockpit. Sure, it wouldn't be for some, but I'm sure there's a decent audience that could easily grow.
I would be curious to know the current hypercar qualitying lap time in Nordschleife / Spa in comparison
Will forever be my favourite car its abosluetely incredible
The wider the tire the less shear force the rubber has to deal with because of the larger surface area. Which means less wear and less heat which in turn means you can run much softer compounds without them falling apart. So more grip! If anyone wanted a more detailed explanation.
2:09 I regret to inform this but the W07 Hybrid is a 2016 car. The 2017 car is the W08 EQ Power+.
He did do that at Brands Indy. Me and my spar Addie seen him do it... I thought my cheap stopwatch must be dodgy.
If I'd done it, I'd mention it at every opportunity.
There is also a solution to the side skirt paradox at the road surface interface.
Driving this car in the simulator with VR is an experience. It's crazy how far it can be pushed around turns that you'd normally crash on going 2/3rds the speed in any other car. I can only dream of actually driving something close to the real thing in real life one day.
QUESTION: why not a brush system of bristles as a skirt.. it flexes without losing contact and if thick enough will stop unwanted airflow...
not an engineer but seems like something to explore for cost effective research .. idk
Bro, your videos are gold.
No they're not, he spouts absolute nonsense for little children. And for Volkswagen Group marketing department.
Oh boy. Someone needs his daily copium dose urgently.
@@TheMoukis Did you try to reply to me but didn't even manage to do that right?
Note: all you did (as expected for a typical little child which this channel's viewers consist of) was spout nonsense in your tantrum, you didn't disprove anything or bring up any valid points. This whole video was in fact nonsense, and almost certainly he was paid by Volkswagen or at minimum he did it to gain favour to keep getting massive amounts of expensive test cars, content to copy-paste onto his media, press trips, and other favours. I know: I used to get cars from Volkswagen AG.
Curb your broism
@pistonburner6448 Shut up these videos are great. I've learned so much about car mechanics from these videos it isn't even funny
Id love to see an F1 team do this with a turbo hybrid powered car as they are all under run for longevity and without limits those engines could be monsters.
Can u guys make a video on those cart cars?
All those car to car shots of the 919 on the Nürburgring where filmed by me :)
I wonder how long it's gonna be until Scott mentions his Brands Hatch lap record once more
I would love to see an f1 team do this. Set up their car with no fuel flow limit and max engine power setting and rip it around a circuit to see how much they can obliterate a lap record.
Imagine if F1 technology had been kept secret for the last 30 years, these sports cars would be miles behind.
diffusers don't accelerate air, it expands and slows down, but in the middle, where it is constricted it bennefits from a bigger difuser, thus creating more downforce. (*Edition*) Also, low pressure doesn't suck, it simply doesn't match the force of the highpressure when pushing the car up. That's why we call it a pressure difference.
the lap set by Yours Trulli?! is he related to Jarno Trulli?
Anyone know where the clip came from at the :01 mark right at the start? Climbing El Rogue?
love your vidz
the thing about wider tyres is that there's more area to dissipate the heat, so they can be a softer compound. Now there is also a little more traction given when there's less weight per square inch too, but that negligible. The crux is the wider the tyre, the softer it can be
Ayyy, fellow beamng player (nice mods btw)
Most of a tyre’s grip on hard and dry is actually produced adhesively. Meaning tyre is acting as tape. Bigger patch of tape means more grip.
@@drd1449 that is also dictated by how soft the tyre is. The narrower the tyre, the hotter it'll get, even overheating, and eventually the quicker it'll ware
@@fillman86 It definitely also helps with longevity and can allow softer compounds but even with same compounds wider tyre often offers more grip.
@@drd1449 whilst technically true, not really. If you push hard and rub your desk you'll generate more grip, if you lightly touch it and rub your desk, you won't generate nearly as much grip. This is a crude example, but is the same principle.
if you double the width, you halve the pressure applied
Long live the genius of Jim Hall
Great video, thanks. One question though ... WHY IS THERE NO OPTION TO CHOOSE SLOVENIA IN THE DROPDOWN MENU WHEN ENTERING THE COUNTRY IN THE DRIVE THE REAL F1 CAR GAME?
Those 3 spots you show, they are called an arch when a live wire is severed
You know because of the comments he's been receiving I'm genuinely tempted to go through a deeper explanation on tires beyond what people like donut media said that people have been going by because it's much deeper then what people explain and how balance of tire width and everything works and why race tires are different it doesn't take an engineer to explain or figure it out it just takes a wide perspective and a deep thinking you don't even have to research it just think
Honestly if i held a record on any circuit I'd bring that shit up several times a day. Kudos for that i genuinely do not mind hearing abt it a lot cause i'd be bragging too.
Thanks man!
The 919 EVO did not break the lap record around Laguna Seca. Earl Bamber said he did a 1:07, but the unofficial outright track record is held by Marc Gene at 1:05.786 in an F2003-GA.
Id love to see things being built with time in mind like how a driver gets more tired the car gets lighter the skirts get shorter etc etc in a way that works with the changing situation of the vehicle the longer its out there. If you were truly using everything to the max you should leave nothing on the table at the end of the race. Although I can understand wanting consistency since it's easier for a human brain to adapt but still.
The wide tire thing is technically true. As it's just a division of the normal force. However, a wider tire can divide the heat over a greater area.
When I watched the 919 lap of the ring, I was gobsmacked that despite the insane time, there were a few spots where the driver was leaving a lot of time on the table (plenty of places he wasn't too), it could go faster with someone who cared less about waking up tomorrow at the controls.
I don't think we can say with certainly where exactly he could've gone faster because we know very little about the car compared to the driver and the engineers.
True, but there are defo spots where he seems more cautious@@EarthIsFlat456